If Diana’s ghost was going to appear to reassure anyone, wouldn’t it be the boys? Certainly not Charles just because he cried by her bed. For all he knew at the time, her death could have spelt the end of the monarchy. Probably should have.
Who else thought that the ghost of Princess Diana was going to show up behind Prince William when he went to the island to put flowers on his mother's grave?
I am astounded how they found an actress that mirrors Diana's beauty, grace, voice, mannerisms, humanity, pain, joy, and everything so well! This actress deserves all the awards. It gave us all a little more of Diana... Bittersweet.
In the season 2 episode "Dear Mrs. Kennedy" the Queen Mother says about Jackie, "she was unhappy, though." And then the Queen says, "that's the thing about unhappiness. All it takes is something worse to come along to make you realise perhaps it was happiness after all." That's the line I thought of during this episode.
When Diana said “I’ll take that with me”, it really finished me off. This was the moment she and Charles made their peace and she travelled on…into the pages of history.
Exactly, cause she knows where she’s going, Charles cannot follow, at least not yet. During Charles’s coronation back in May, he sat there with such a look of “what am I doing here? I don’t belong here”, it was simply striking. After William kissed him, he looked at William like “he’s the only one who truly loves me.” William’s face was just the look of being forced to be there and not wanting to be there.
@@destinywhite2063We clearly watched a different Coronation! Prince William loves his father and family and knows one day he will be King, He did not kill himself to follow his mother, he grieved, grew up and became a man! Time for you to get a life now!
@@rashelelashley Look, I have the right to comment, same as you. I can say what I want, same as you. I can give my POV, same as you. But, I’m not nasty and disrespectful to others like you. So, get off my life and stay in your own life.
This is a great scene, because it shows the vulnerability that Charles always kept hidden from Diana. As many have pointed out, she's not a ghost. She's just a memory that Charles uses to bounce off his emotions in a time of grief and sadness. We've all had internal dialogues in our lifetime. Dominic West and Elizabeth Debicki are absolutely fantastic. I was on board with them since day one and I'm glad this show perfectly highlights their amazing acting talent.
Agreed. This is an imaginary conversation he’s having with her in his head. When someone you’re very close to dies, and you’re so used to anticipating what they’d say, you go right on doing it.
When she said thank you to Charles for how he was in the hospital, and when she says 'i'll take that with me,' oh lord. That made me cry. Fly high princess Diana.
I was wash in tears at that. I was there when her death happened and will never forget it or how the world seemed to come to a complete stop during that entire week leading up to her funeral. Charles did not treat her well all the time in life but he absolutely stepped up for her in death, even going against the Queen who felt she should have had a private family service rather than the funeral she ended up having. If only he hadn't nagged about her keeping her HRH status after the divorce...if only.
Yeah most normal healthy men are not interested in marrying and banging their cousins. However due to his RULING MONARCH mothers disgusting incest obsession, that is the mess Charles was forced to end up with. The entire thing was a disgusting farce. Idiotic Elizabeth handed him a list of acceptable virgins who were closely enough related to the throne. Let that sink in a minute. Closely. Enough. Related. Talk about giving ick.
"I'll take that with me" is the line of this scene. It tells us that Diana is gone, and that this is her last moment, her last visitation, before her spirit departs forever.
Yes, the tears I cry watching this episode are a follow up of the tears I cried on Sept. 6th 1997 Diana's passing is one of the saddest things I've witnessed in my life.
She wasn’t a ghost. It’s a visual representation of the characters ‘speaking’ to Diana as they cope in their griefs. It’s similar to how Sherlock and John kept ‘seeing’ Mary in the BBC show after she died. It’s a great plot device deployed beautifully here.
1:52 when her theme started playing here, the new season 6 version, it completely floored me man. Like I read somewhere that back in season 4, when her theme was first introduced (Fairytale) and the composer talked about how the voices represented Diana's cries for help and how the song has these little voices kinda fade away and the song is taken over by strings that represent the crown. In the season 5 version (gunpowder), when Diana's book came out, the voices were louder than the strings, which i guess signified Diana taking over and how she had chosen to tell her story. And here, in season 6, the voices aren't there anymore because she's gone- 😭 Micheal phipps is a genius
@@whitneydavis7443he became the figurehead for cheating spouses nationally. It is highly unfair. The reason so many people identify with it is simply because so many do it! Must’ve been a very heavy weight for him to bear.
@@whitneydavis7443in a way, his story is also kinda tragic. He and Camilla are obviously soulmates and their love withstood public scrutiny, shame and family interference. What Charles did to Diana was unforgivable, but he should have just been allowed to be with Camilla from the start.
No the hell wasn't end the end they was trying to make Diana crazy and Charles out to be a saint in the end but people and history will never ever believe that they man who sold her out to the media to had him and his horse 😭 wife cheating on the late Diana and how they bullying her until her death and the end the Royal family is trying to do the same more thing to Harry
@@inigobantok1579 if only the masses were smart enough to understand that it’s not Diana’s or Dodi’s ghosts but visions made up by the grieving characters
what difference would it make if there were 'ghosts' in previous seasons lol. It's surrealism buddy. And the show has used it before. In season 2 Phillip literally saw his sisters plane crash and death. It's not a 'lazy writing technique' just because it doesn't follow some arbitrary rules you got from binging other shows.@@inigobantok1579
@@inigobantok1579no they didn't have these scenes of characters being past visions in other episodes so 1, clearly you haven't watched the entire series (and you should, it's award winning) and 2, scenes with past forms of a character such as a ghost or imagined version of them goes back to Shakespeare
I don’t think this was Diana’s ghost visiting Charles, but rather a memory of her that lived inside of Charles’ imagination, that he put up in front of him to be able to let go. Bargaining is one of the stages of grief. All of us who lost someone we loved have had these conversations with parts of our imaginations, just to cope with our loss. It’s great writing, this one.
Diana *would* have said that to support him, but Charles already knew the truth. Diana's ghost isn't haunting him. That's something he had made his peace with. It's her memory that is stuck to him. He's not allowed to forget what he did. The regret will never pass, even if things got easier for him and Camilia over the years before he took the crown. He's had many, many years to make his peace with that he'll never escape it. He's had no choice but to.
Well what he did was horrible I honestly don't understand why Camilla was made Queen Consort in the first place its not like we needed heirs from her its inappropriate considering what her and Charles did to Diana. I honestly don't know how William can play happy families with her I would never accept my father's other woman after what they did to Diana. Lets hope William kicks her out on her arse if she's still around when he ascends the throne
When I first heard about this scene I was worried. But I agree it’s more of a memory and the conversation Charles wishes they could have had. Beautifully done.
I like to think of these scenes not as ghosts appearing to the people still alive but rather the person's own inner conscious speaking to themselves. To me this isn't Diana's ghost but rather Charles own deep remembrance of how Diana was. The acknowledgement that he knew how much she loved him and that she also saw the good in him even if he couldn't see it himself. The same goes for Dodi's conversation with his father. His father knew he craved his acceptance and that he truly thought his father was never proud of him. The Queen's conversation with Diana is most striking as its not Diana nagging at her to adress the nation but rather her own conscious telling her to do so. As a side note I know this is all fictional depictions of real time events but I like to treat these characters the same way I would any fictional movie or tv character even though the people who they are portraying here never said or did any of the things we see them say or do in private.
I know The Crown is fiction based on the backdrop of historical fact. What I have loved the most from this series is its ability to make the royal family human and that's not necessarily a bad thing. My favorite subject in school was history and I particularly loved British history with its long line of monarchs who have added an amazing history themselves intertwined with England.
This was one of the most saddest weeks of my life. She visited my home town the day I was born. I loved her dearly and still do to this day but I can't seem to bring myself to watch this season. The actress nailed this role.
@@sazzieb1I’m sure you’re familiar with the history - the streets of London crammed with people crying, the world grieving. The OP certainly wasn’t in the minority, so I’m not certain you can be genuinely surprised!
episode 3 and 4 broke me from the beginning to the end I cried so hard when it came to scenes between Charles and Diana I have never felt so heartbroken by any shows lately damn this one hits hard
That was a good scene. And she was not a ghost. When someone close to you passes dont you talk to him/her in your head? Think what he/she might have said? Giving them your personal goodbye... And Charles here did good. Even divorced, she was still mother of his children, mother of future king, and they've spent 15 years together, good and bad (can't say all of them were bad). And he did what was right. This scene brings tears to my eyes... They finally made amends. And I hope they really did in reality.
I think it's way more likely that instead of it being Diana's Ghost, it's actually the *manifestation of Charles's crippling guilt and grief.* IRL hallucinations like this are created from the victim's psyches, based off of: -How the victim viewed the deceased, deep down. -The guilt or regrets that the victim has. What ""Diana"" says to Charles here, is all coming from Charles's mind. It's his mind desperately trying to cope, by making him hallucinate Diana as alive, as someone who still loved him, despite how awful he had been to her. He knows that if he hasn't been so cruel to her for so long, she would never have gotten into this situation, and everything leading up to it. "Everyone will be easier in the family now that I'm gone" is literally his guilt over how he treated and viewed her for so long, being vocalised to himself...By himself. The same also applies to Elizabeth's hallucination of Diana. It's nothing supernatural or religious, it's just a RL Psychological condition that someone can suffer from.
I like to think that this happened in the plane whilst Charles is returning from paris with her "soul" on board...yes its not a ghost, it all happened in his mind, the "Last" conversation... King Charles may or may not love her but dosn't mean he stop caring for her... And maybe Diana loved him and STILL loved till death...just that he has other "Affair" (which is camila) its indeed a Bad time for everyone who knew Diana...
I literally sobbed throughout the last 2 episodes so much it made my head hurt. I think Diana in this scene not only represents memories to help the characters grieve with the entire situation. But she’s also there to ensure the audience that though she left here so quickly, she is finally at peace now and it’s ok to let go. To those of us who loved Diana while she was here and to those of us who are just now starting to know her story. Diana wants us to never give up on doing what’s right for humanity. But to also show compassion to those who need it. The sad part about it is that this world has become so rude and cruel as of late. I fear Diana’s message is just being lost to history books. It even shows in this comment section.
I don't think that's not her ghost. I just saw Elizabeth's interview, she said it's not like a ghost thing. Just a conversation he is having in his head. They are imaginations of conversations people have while grieving. It's sort of a vision or an imagination of a conversation you might have. She appears to represent that conversation you have in your head with someone who has just died.
when I first heard there'd be a Diana ghost I thought it was a bit tasteless, but in the actual show it is handled very well and is an excellent way of communicating the emotions of the royal family and their regrets following Diana's death
She is not being depicted as a ghost, that’s a huge and shallow misunderstanding. These “conversations” depict the person’s conscience trying to work through the loss and what it means to them. Charles and the Queen each had a unique relationship with Diana and what they talk about reflects that. Any of us who have lost a loved one, especially when there were things left unsaid have experienced these conversations in our minds and hearts.
Well done! What a very lovely tribute to Diana! The woman who plays the role is remarkable, you'd think it's actually Diana. She's beautiful. I'm sure Lady Diana is highly pleased!!!
He did care a lot. After their divorce, Charles and Diana became good friends and their relationship improved. After Diana's death was announced, Charles phoned the Queen to give Diana a royal funeral even though she was not HRH anymore. He cared for Diana, he just wasn't inlove with Diana. Charles went to Paris to take Diana's body back to England. He was in a state of disbelief, like in denial. He did cry but probably not as dramatic as portrayed in this scene. He's not really one to show public displays of sadness, neither is any royals. After the funeral, Charles spent a lot of time by himself, because he was grieving. But he still had to show composure in public and in front of his sons.
Sceptical at first - hearing about the post death scenes she appears in - I was blown away by the scene here of her with Charles. It was the one scene that had me in tears and confirmed how fantastic Elizabeth Debicki was in the role. She captured something that is hard to describe but she was Diana. She did a wonderful job in what must of been a challenging part and I am happy to see that she won the Emmy last week. Well deserved indeed.
Critics thinking it was an actual ghost scene when in reality it’s Charles talking to Diana in his head and imagining what she would say. TV critics don’t have the brains to realise this! 🙄
I can’t imagine Charles, William and Harry would be able to watch this. If the feelings are even close to accurate I imagine it’d be incredibly painful
Yes, it would, if the feelings were close to these that are shown in this scene. But, we cannot know. I personally choose to hope they are. She was a very attractive person. Very lovable. Unfortunately for her she got caught in the middle between Charles and Camila's relationship. What a shame.
As a mother, there is nothing heaven could offer that could make up for a separation from my children. I would fight the angels, and cry to be returned to them. Emily Brontë said it best in Wuthering Heights. “Heaven did not seem to be my home; and I broke my heart with weeping to come back to earth; and the angels were so angry that they flung me out into the middle of the heath on the top of Wuthering Heights; where I woke sobbing for joy.
It is so unbearably sad that Charles cheated on Diana the entirety of their relationship. He shared things about Diana with Camilla that should have been solely between the two of them. She never had a chance! She was nothing more than the Royal family’s virgin sacrifice.
I was 26 when this happened but I grew up watching them I watched their wedding that whole week. She was such an amazing woman the world lost so much when she died.
It’s such a shame, the other Royals hated Diana because we all loved her more than them but it was never her fault, she didn’t make us love her we just all fell in love with such a bright shining light….which the Queen never understood, and Charles was so jealous of. Such a shame if they had just accepted her and embraced her.
All during the coronation I thought - what if she would have been there, with the Crown, becoming Queen. It is something that will always be with me. She was one year older then I am. I grew up with her. And yes, she is still with me when I see them together.
Man what a tough thing to watch. He was young in a royal family, everyone pressuring him to marry Diana. Young, 19, sweet, naive. He did not know what to do with this. It sucks. He sucked. But I pray he is a better person. As for Camila...she could've been a better person as well.
Her lil “Ta-dah” RUINED ME 😭😭 Literally crying, screaming, shaking, and throwing up. Whoever was responsible for this scene is getting sued for emotional distress cause WTF
The whole world mourned Diana's demise, yet two people had it easier afterwards, that is why William's coronation will bring people so much bittersweet joy..💔
He's going to be rather miserable King. He hasn't been the same since he married that gold digger and he's likely going to be a combination of the worst of Charles and the worst of Diana.
@@ultimatespidybawlz2198 I wouldn't classify Megan as a gold digger since she was an actress and had her own money. Megan is more the attention whore, very much like her late mother in law. William married the gold digger because it's so obvious she only married him for the titles and the large sum that's in the prenup, when they divorce.
@@lefinlay how so? Megan had a career. Waity Katie waited around for William so she could snag a good title, and have royal kids. She had no money of her own except for what daddy might have put in his will. Kate was nothing but an ambitious socialite who held out for an increasingly desperate prince who had to marry someone sooner or later . Megan is annoying but at least she was somebody before she married Harry. Kate was just a gold digging nobody. Now she's the British version of a Kardashian.
I know some didn’t appreciate the dreams, ghosts, and past selves of this season. But honestly, I found it to be a perfect tribute. It becomes almost Shakespearean and when you think about it, the last Elizabeth was around when Shakespeare was around, and with HM’s death a couple of years ago I think it good symbolism of her and tribute of the era passing into legend.
One of the most amazing and heart mention scenes I've ever seen in a movie or a film or a series. These are the best of actors. The writers are brilliant to have come up with ghost scenes like this
They should have never gotten married. She was way too young, and everyone took advantage of her. When her natural talent started to shine, they had one goal, and that was to snuff her light out.
The show runners must've been inspired by a similar scene from the (fictional) "King Charles III." The difference is that in the latter Diana's ghost visited Charles after he became king.
Charles and Diana were legendary. Everything about them is utterly fascinating. It’s BIG. Their wedding was big, their marriage was big, their way of life was big, their two immediate royal princes, the way they fascinated the kingdom and the globe, their divorce, everything about them was Shakespearean. They are my favorites.
I wish we truly could have a conversation like this with a recently departed loved one. A spirit or ghost a memory to let us talk one last time but to the person not just our memory of them from our own head. (Twice in a dream I had something similar from my own mind.) My great grandmother died and that night in a dream a younger version of her came to talk with me, Tell me how much she loved me, how I would go on always with her love around me. Sh3 showed me a photo frame of us two as young children looking identical but separated by 70 years and three generations. My best friend months after she died I dreamed of her as a ghost watching me check into a hotel and messing with the registration system computer so she could watch me longer. I went over to talk with her. I asked why she hadn’t visited sooner if she was still around. I told her her old cats were safe and loved in my home and heart. She was evasive
This scene is fantastic and I shall now spend an enormous amount of time explaining why when I could be doing productive things. - the acting is, as ever, superb. The facial expressions and tone add extra meaning to the spoken words. - the writing is great. Even just the use of "ta-daa" elicits humour, a sense of Diana's character, and a cruel irony about her fate- it was entirely out of her control, and yet she will be praised and remembered for it. - the fact that Diana is essentially a figment of Charles's imagination here, so what she says, and Charles's response, actually informs us of his character more deeply. When she thanks him for being so raw at the hospital, he is FINALLY acknowledging to himself that all she ever wanted was his love, and he let her down by refusing to give it to her. When she says she loves him, that's him acknowledging her love was real. Throughout the show we see him accuse her of being manipulative and selfish, as a defense mechanism to protect his ego. He always knew deep down that she didn't deserve his shoddy treatment. But he was so pre-occupied by his own victimisation that he ignored hers. Here, he can finally admit this to himself. (I do believe he was a victim of an unwanted arranged marriage, but he took it out on her, rather than confronting the real perpetrators). - the fact that she offers him some of his old coping strategies, and he denies them. "It'll be easier for everyone, now that I'm gone" and "the regret will pass" are invitations to denial. But he consciously makes a choice to embrace the reality of his feelings at long last. It's like a conversation between his conscious and his subconscious mind. Fascinating stuff! THIS IS FICTION YOU KNOW AND YOU ARE DUMB TO ANALYSE IT AS IF IT IS REAL- we can, and should, analyse fiction. Odds are the real Prince Charles did not have a conversation with the ghost of Diana who may or may not be a reflection of his sub-conscious mind, okay? Okay ❤
I love when King Charles says “Paris,The worlds busiest city and you brought it to a standstill”and Diana’s ghost says “Ta Da”
That line was basically stolen from “The Queen”, the Helen Mirren film.
If Diana’s ghost was going to appear to reassure anyone, wouldn’t it be the boys? Certainly not Charles just because he cried by her bed. For all he knew at the time, her death could have spelt the end of the monarchy. Probably should have.
@@j.davidphillips9665really what scene?
@@j.davidphillips9665Well it's written by the same guy who created this series you know
Who else thought that the ghost of Princess Diana was going to show up behind Prince William when he went to the island to put flowers on his mother's grave?
I am astounded how they found an actress that mirrors Diana's beauty, grace, voice, mannerisms, humanity, pain, joy, and everything so well! This actress deserves all the awards. It gave us all a little more of Diana... Bittersweet.
She won Golden Globe for this role
@@zitronentee I am SOOOOO happy! Absolutely deserved.
Emma Corrin and Elizabeth Debicky were both phenomenal in their portrayal of Diana. They did deserve our praise.
She's an actress. She's just acting.
Its called acting!
She just won the Golden globe award!! Absolutely deserving. Congrats to her!
And the Critics' Choice Award! Very well-deserved!
and 76th Emmy Awards 2024
In the season 2 episode "Dear Mrs. Kennedy" the Queen Mother says about Jackie, "she was unhappy, though." And then the Queen says, "that's the thing about unhappiness. All it takes is something worse to come along to make you realise perhaps it was happiness after all." That's the line I thought of during this episode.
In a way, Diana’s death was Britain’s JFK moment…
Good spot, this quote suits Charles' situation perfectly.
Great line
Good point.
When Diana said “I’ll take that with me”, it really finished me off. This was the moment she and Charles made their peace and she travelled on…into the pages of history.
Exactly, cause she knows where she’s going, Charles cannot follow, at least not yet. During Charles’s coronation back in May, he sat there with such a look of “what am I doing here? I don’t belong here”, it was simply striking. After William kissed him, he looked at William like “he’s the only one who truly loves me.” William’s face was just the look of being forced to be there and not wanting to be there.
@@destinywhite2063 You have quite the weird imagination.
@@destinywhite2063We clearly watched a different Coronation! Prince William loves his father and family and knows one day he will be King, He did not kill himself to follow his mother, he grieved, grew up and became a man! Time for you to get a life now!
ummmm......this/it DIDN'T HAPPEN. This is fiction. What is with you people?
@@rashelelashley Look, I have the right to comment, same as you. I can say what I want, same as you. I can give my POV, same as you. But, I’m not nasty and disrespectful to others like you.
So, get off my life and stay in your own life.
This is a great scene, because it shows the vulnerability that Charles always kept hidden from Diana. As many have pointed out, she's not a ghost. She's just a memory that Charles uses to bounce off his emotions in a time of grief and sadness. We've all had internal dialogues in our lifetime. Dominic West and Elizabeth Debicki are absolutely fantastic. I was on board with them since day one and I'm glad this show perfectly highlights their amazing acting talent.
@@SpiritGirlSF Dominic West was never in GOT.
Agreed. This is an imaginary conversation he’s having with her in his head. When someone you’re very close to dies, and you’re so used to anticipating what they’d say, you go right on doing it.
@@SpiritGirlSF… did I miss that episode or season?
When she said thank you to Charles for how he was in the hospital, and when she says 'i'll take that with me,' oh lord. That made me cry. Fly high princess Diana.
Me too that made me cry
I was wash in tears at that. I was there when her death happened and will never forget it or how the world seemed to come to a complete stop during that entire week leading up to her funeral. Charles did not treat her well all the time in life but he absolutely stepped up for her in death, even going against the Queen who felt she should have had a private family service rather than the funeral she ended up having. If only he hadn't nagged about her keeping her HRH status after the divorce...if only.
Elizabeth is SO convincing as Diana. This scene was eerie and painful.
Your tears cannot bring back the gorgeous woman you have lost. You took her for granted.
Yeah most normal healthy men are not interested in marrying and banging their cousins. However due to his RULING MONARCH mothers disgusting incest obsession, that is the mess Charles was forced to end up with. The entire thing was a disgusting farce. Idiotic Elizabeth handed him a list of acceptable virgins who were closely enough related to the throne. Let that sink in a minute. Closely. Enough. Related. Talk about giving ick.
He was already in love when he met her, he’s also a victim of the system he was born into.
"I'll take that with me" is the line of this scene. It tells us that Diana is gone, and that this is her last moment, her last visitation, before her spirit departs forever.
After all these years her passing is still sad
Yes, the tears I cry watching this episode are a follow up of the tears I cried on Sept. 6th 1997
Diana's passing is one of the saddest things I've witnessed in my life.
She wasn’t a ghost. It’s a visual representation of the characters ‘speaking’ to Diana as they cope in their griefs. It’s similar to how Sherlock and John kept ‘seeing’ Mary in the BBC show after she died. It’s a great plot device deployed beautifully here.
Okay Karen
Also similar to Clay seeing hallucinations of Hannah, Bryce and Monty in 13 Reasons Why.
Spot on. It’s why it’s so painfully effective. Most of us will have had these hopeless conversations with people that are gone.
They copied it from Charles 3 a movie from 2017. It's not that deep
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1:52 when her theme started playing here, the new season 6 version, it completely floored me man. Like I read somewhere that back in season 4, when her theme was first introduced (Fairytale) and the composer talked about how the voices represented Diana's cries for help and how the song has these little voices kinda fade away and the song is taken over by strings that represent the crown.
In the season 5 version (gunpowder), when Diana's book came out, the voices were louder than the strings, which i guess signified Diana taking over and how she had chosen to tell her story.
And here, in season 6, the voices aren't there anymore because she's gone- 😭
Micheal phipps is a genius
Take a bow for this analysis 😭
I need the new version of fairytale theme
It is not on the soundrack sadly ?
I love soundtracks and loved the analysis. Thank you for including the name of the songs. Do you know the name of this one of season 6?
@@vidinhadovini Sadly no, i'm desperately searching it because it was melancholic and beautifull with her declarations.
Charles never wanted her gone. He may not have loved her as a romantic partner, but he loved her as the mother of their boys.
Agreed. People want to paint him as a monster, but he wasn’t.
@@whitneydavis7443yeah he wasn't
He loved her
@@whitneydavis7443he became the figurehead for cheating spouses nationally. It is highly unfair. The reason so many people identify with it is simply because so many do it!
Must’ve been a very heavy weight for him to bear.
@@whitneydavis7443in a way, his story is also kinda tragic. He and Camilla are obviously soulmates and their love withstood public scrutiny, shame and family interference.
What Charles did to Diana was unforgivable, but he should have just been allowed to be with Camilla from the start.
Don't care what people think, it's one of the best scenes of the series. Perfectly acted and written.
No the hell wasn't end the end they was trying to make Diana crazy and Charles out to be a saint in the end but people and history will never ever believe that they man who sold her out to the media to had him and his horse 😭 wife cheating on the late Diana and how they bullying her until her death and the end the Royal family is trying to do the same more thing to Harry
If they have ghosts in the previous seasons like this then yeah but no, this is an inconsistent and very lazy writing technique.
@@inigobantok1579 if only the masses were smart enough to understand that it’s not Diana’s or Dodi’s ghosts but visions made up by the grieving characters
what difference would it make if there were 'ghosts' in previous seasons lol. It's surrealism buddy. And the show has used it before. In season 2 Phillip literally saw his sisters plane crash and death. It's not a 'lazy writing technique' just because it doesn't follow some arbitrary rules you got from binging other shows.@@inigobantok1579
@@inigobantok1579no they didn't have these scenes of characters being past visions in other episodes so 1, clearly you haven't watched the entire series (and you should, it's award winning) and 2, scenes with past forms of a character such as a ghost or imagined version of them goes back to Shakespeare
I don’t think this was Diana’s ghost visiting Charles, but rather a memory of her that lived inside of Charles’ imagination, that he put up in front of him to be able to let go. Bargaining is one of the stages of grief. All of us who lost someone we loved have had these conversations with parts of our imaginations, just to cope with our loss. It’s great writing, this one.
I cried when the word regret was used. In the saddest moment after a loss there's always regret. It doesn't matter who you are. ❤
I cried watching this scene 😭 Both his and her tears. Brings me back to the scene when they danced together in Australia.
Diana *would* have said that to support him, but Charles already knew the truth. Diana's ghost isn't haunting him. That's something he had made his peace with. It's her memory that is stuck to him. He's not allowed to forget what he did. The regret will never pass, even if things got easier for him and Camilia over the years before he took the crown. He's had many, many years to make his peace with that he'll never escape it. He's had no choice but to.
Well what he did was horrible I honestly don't understand why Camilla was made Queen Consort in the first place its not like we needed heirs from her its inappropriate considering what her and Charles did to Diana. I honestly don't know how William can play happy families with her I would never accept my father's other woman after what they did to Diana. Lets hope William kicks her out on her arse if she's still around when he ascends the throne
"You were always the most beloved of all of us"
😢😢😢
When I first heard about this scene I was worried. But I agree it’s more of a memory and the conversation Charles wishes they could have had. Beautifully done.
Also he was talking to Diana in his head and imagining what she would say. So it’s not really a ghost scene at all.
I cried when I saw this that line "I'll take that with me." It was...heartbreaking
I like to think of these scenes not as ghosts appearing to the people still alive but rather the person's own inner conscious speaking to themselves. To me this isn't Diana's ghost but rather Charles own deep remembrance of how Diana was. The acknowledgement that he knew how much she loved him and that she also saw the good in him even if he couldn't see it himself. The same goes for Dodi's conversation with his father. His father knew he craved his acceptance and that he truly thought his father was never proud of him. The Queen's conversation with Diana is most striking as its not Diana nagging at her to adress the nation but rather her own conscious telling her to do so.
As a side note I know this is all fictional depictions of real time events but I like to treat these characters the same way I would any fictional movie or tv character even though the people who they are portraying here never said or did any of the things we see them say or do in private.
THIS IS SO TRUE.
But that's not necessarily true.
I'm going to go hug my wife and tell her I love her.
I know The Crown is fiction based on the backdrop of historical fact. What I have loved the most from this series is its ability to make the royal family human and that's not necessarily a bad thing. My favorite subject in school was history and I particularly loved British history with its long line of monarchs who have added an amazing history themselves intertwined with England.
“ That'll pass”
“No,it won't ”
Charles wasn't just talking for himself,he was talking for the entire audience.
This was one of the most saddest weeks of my life. She visited my home town the day I was born. I loved her dearly and still do to this day but I can't seem to bring myself to watch this season. The actress nailed this role.
You got that upset for someone you didn't know?
@sazzieb1. Exactly...😂😂😂😂😂
Worship somebody you don't know personally.
And who didn't leave much of impact.
@Unsweetened8618 she changed so much. U have no idea
@@urfavsh1teditor She didn't change much of nothing...
@@sazzieb1I’m sure you’re familiar with the history - the streets of London crammed with people crying, the world grieving. The OP certainly wasn’t in the minority, so I’m not certain you can be genuinely surprised!
It took a special actress to evoke one of the most captivating figures of the 20th century and Debicki did her justice.
episode 3 and 4 broke me from the beginning to the end
I cried so hard when it came to scenes between Charles and Diana
I have never felt so heartbroken by any shows lately damn this one hits hard
I am just so scared of watching this you know. I don't wanna be broken
Perfect acting of Dominic and Elizabeth
That was a good scene. And she was not a ghost. When someone close to you passes dont you talk to him/her in your head? Think what he/she might have said? Giving them your personal goodbye...
And Charles here did good. Even divorced, she was still mother of his children, mother of future king, and they've spent 15 years together, good and bad (can't say all of them were bad). And he did what was right.
This scene brings tears to my eyes... They finally made amends. And I hope they really did in reality.
I think it's way more likely that instead of it being Diana's Ghost, it's actually the *manifestation of Charles's crippling guilt and grief.*
IRL hallucinations like this are created from the victim's psyches, based off of:
-How the victim viewed the deceased, deep down.
-The guilt or regrets that the victim has.
What ""Diana"" says to Charles here, is all coming from Charles's mind. It's his mind desperately trying to cope, by making him hallucinate Diana as alive, as someone who still loved him, despite how awful he had been to her.
He knows that if he hasn't been so cruel to her for so long, she would never have gotten into this situation, and everything leading up to it.
"Everyone will be easier in the family now that I'm gone" is literally his guilt over how he treated and viewed her for so long, being vocalised to himself...By himself.
The same also applies to Elizabeth's hallucination of Diana. It's nothing supernatural or religious, it's just a RL Psychological condition that someone can suffer from.
I like to think that this happened in the plane whilst Charles is returning from paris with her "soul" on board...yes its not a ghost, it all happened in his mind, the "Last" conversation... King Charles may or may not love her but dosn't mean he stop caring for her... And maybe Diana loved him and STILL loved till death...just that he has other "Affair" (which is camila) its indeed a Bad time for everyone who knew Diana...
Elizabeth Debicky deserves 1000 Oscars for Diana's impersonation!!!!
Her's is the most underrated televised performance of this era (2021-2023). This actress saved Netflix, imo.
@@juniorjames7076 agree!!
You don’t get Oscars in television.
@@ArmyJames it's just a saying 😐
You mean Emmy, Oscar is for movie
As one royal commentator said, "Diana was perfect for England. Not perfect for Charles."
This scene made me cry 😭
She looks sad for her own passing, you can really feel that in the way she moves and speaks 😢
I literally sobbed throughout the last 2 episodes so much it made my head hurt. I think Diana in this scene not only represents memories to help the characters grieve with the entire situation. But she’s also there to ensure the audience that though she left here so quickly, she is finally at peace now and it’s ok to let go. To those of us who loved Diana while she was here and to those of us who are just now starting to know her story. Diana wants us to never give up on doing what’s right for humanity. But to also show compassion to those who need it. The sad part about it is that this world has become so rude and cruel as of late. I fear Diana’s message is just being lost to history books. It even shows in this comment section.
Well said ❤💯🔥
I love her “Ta-da!”
It doesn't matter how many times I watch this scene. It always gets me.
1:52 God, Diana’s theme is so good. Gives me chills, just a lingering memory.
yes and they didnt had it on the soundratck, what a scandal
I don't think that's not her ghost. I just saw Elizabeth's interview, she said it's not like a ghost thing. Just a conversation he is having in his head. They are imaginations of conversations people have while grieving. It's sort of a vision or an imagination of a conversation you might have. She appears to represent that conversation you have in your head with someone who has just died.
He’s lucky that after he said she was most beloved that she didn’t say and you never forgive me for it.
That last few seconds where they stare each other in the eyes, it says it all. Regret, betrayal but above all love and respect.
The reviews I read thought Dianas ghost was a cheap trick, but I actually thought it was tastefully done. And its not really a "ghost" but a memory.
A very magnificent way of adding Shakespeare element into a masterpiece
I cried when I saw this scene it moved me so much what a truly wonderful human being she was I will always remember her
when I first heard there'd be a Diana ghost I thought it was a bit tasteless, but in the actual show it is handled very well and is an excellent way of communicating the emotions of the royal family and their regrets following Diana's death
She is not being depicted as a ghost, that’s a huge and shallow misunderstanding. These “conversations” depict the person’s conscience trying to work through the loss and what it means to them. Charles and the Queen each had a unique relationship with Diana and what they talk about reflects that. Any of us who have lost a loved one, especially when there were things left unsaid have experienced these conversations in our minds and hearts.
It took her to die for him to finally appreciate her.
1:21 You know I love so much…😢😢
Well done! What a very lovely tribute to Diana! The woman who plays the role is remarkable, you'd think it's actually Diana. She's beautiful. I'm sure Lady Diana is highly pleased!!!
This scene itself deserved a winning in every award show for Elizabeth debicki
I think the Crown is painting Charles out to be too innocent and compassionate regarding Diana's death. I don't think he cared that much.
He did care a lot. After their divorce, Charles and Diana became good friends and their relationship improved. After Diana's death was announced, Charles phoned the Queen to give Diana a royal funeral even though she was not HRH anymore. He cared for Diana, he just wasn't inlove with Diana.
Charles went to Paris to take Diana's body back to England. He was in a state of disbelief, like in denial. He did cry but probably not as dramatic as portrayed in this scene. He's not really one to show public displays of sadness, neither is any royals. After the funeral, Charles spent a lot of time by himself, because he was grieving. But he still had to show composure in public and in front of his sons.
I cried all the way through. Absolutely brilliant.
Me too, and I never expected this reveal either
Sceptical at first - hearing about the post death scenes she appears in - I was blown away by the scene here of her with Charles. It was the one scene that had me in tears and confirmed how fantastic Elizabeth Debicki was in the role. She captured something that is hard to describe but she was Diana. She did a wonderful job in what must of been a challenging part and I am happy to see that she won the Emmy last week. Well deserved indeed.
Notice how even when talking to her through his inner thoughts he can’t tell her he loves her, and she can’t really tell him to forget having regrets.
The acting is impeccable, the recreation of the events is flawless, the pacing is fine. I don't know what are these critics whining about ??
Critics thinking it was an actual ghost scene when in reality it’s Charles talking to Diana in his head and imagining what she would say. TV critics don’t have the brains to realise this! 🙄
The expression on her face as the scene closes is heartbreaking! No idea how this actress managed such aching subtlety.
I Cried so much for Charles and Diana for a relationship that never was 😿
Never watched the series but this is a touching sceen
Her death affected the whole big wide world. We loved her.
I can’t imagine Charles, William and Harry would be able to watch this. If the feelings are even close to accurate I imagine it’d be incredibly painful
Yes, it would, if the feelings were close to these that are shown in this scene. But, we cannot know. I personally choose to hope they are. She was a very attractive person. Very lovable. Unfortunately for her she got caught in the middle between Charles and Camila's relationship. What a shame.
As a mother, there is nothing heaven could offer that could make up for a separation from my children. I would fight the angels, and cry to be returned to them.
Emily Brontë said it best in Wuthering Heights.
“Heaven did not seem to be my home; and I broke my heart with weeping to come back to earth; and the angels were so angry that they flung me out into the middle of the heath on the top of Wuthering Heights; where I woke sobbing for joy.
An unbelievably good scene. I cried. Well done.
Charles never had the self awareness for this. Or the empathy for Diana.
It is so upseting the amount of tears from the begging until the ending that I have wasted is incredible
I don't get how anyone sees this scene and thinks it supposed to be a "ghost" in the supernatural/spitirual sense.
It is so unbearably sad that Charles cheated on Diana the entirety of their relationship. He shared things about Diana with Camilla that should have been solely between the two of them. She never had a chance! She was nothing more than the Royal family’s virgin sacrifice.
Here after her Emmy❤
I’m sorry i have just watched this season and trying to cope. Im still crying, but I think what got me the most was their portrayal of Charles. Omg.
I was 26 when this happened but I grew up watching them I watched their wedding that whole week. She was such an amazing woman the world lost so much when she died.
It’s such a shame, the other Royals hated Diana because we all loved her more than them but it was never her fault, she didn’t make us love her we just all fell in love with such a bright shining light….which the Queen never understood, and Charles was so jealous of. Such a shame if they had just accepted her and embraced her.
Josh and Dominic did such a good job portraying Charles.
The royal family only ever saw her as a broodmare.
All during the coronation I thought - what if she would have been there, with the Crown, becoming Queen. It is something that will always be with me. She was one year older then I am. I grew up with her. And yes, she is still with me when I see them together.
he’s right. diana will always be in our heart 💖
Man what a tough thing to watch. He was young in a royal family, everyone pressuring him to marry Diana. Young, 19, sweet, naive. He did not know what to do with this. It sucks. He sucked. But I pray he is a better person. As for Camila...she could've been a better person as well.
Her lil “Ta-dah” RUINED ME 😭😭
Literally crying, screaming, shaking, and throwing up. Whoever was responsible for this scene is getting sued for emotional distress cause WTF
The whole world mourned Diana's demise, yet two people had it easier afterwards, that is why William's coronation will bring people so much bittersweet joy..💔
He's going to be rather miserable King. He hasn't been the same since he married that gold digger and he's likely going to be a combination of the worst of Charles and the worst of Diana.
@@LaKellita1I would argue harry married the gold digger
@@ultimatespidybawlz2198 I wouldn't classify Megan as a gold digger since she was an actress and had her own money. Megan is more the attention whore, very much like her late mother in law. William married the gold digger because it's so obvious she only married him for the titles and the large sum that's in the prenup, when they divorce.
@@ultimatespidybawlz2198lol, deffo Harry who married the digger 😂
@@lefinlay how so? Megan had a career. Waity Katie waited around for William so she could snag a good title, and have royal kids. She had no money of her own except for what daddy might have put in his will. Kate was nothing but an ambitious socialite who held out for an increasingly desperate prince who had to marry someone sooner or later . Megan is annoying but at least she was somebody before she married Harry. Kate was just a gold digging nobody. Now she's the British version of a Kardashian.
I wish her ghost had a scene with her boys. Like kissing them on the head while they are in bed and saying, “I will always love you and be with you.”
I know some didn’t appreciate the dreams, ghosts, and past selves of this season. But honestly, I found it to be a perfect tribute. It becomes almost Shakespearean and when you think about it, the last Elizabeth was around when Shakespeare was around, and with HM’s death a couple of years ago I think it good symbolism of her and tribute of the era passing into legend.
Absolutely amazing scene. This is one of the best put together programmes of all time.
The actress portraying Dianna is exceptional.
those two did a great job
When she said, “it’s easier for everyone now”, she was wrong. She is still missed until this day and for a long time to come
I'll never understand why he hated her so much
One of the most amazing and heart mention scenes I've ever seen in a movie or a film or a series. These are the best of actors. The writers are brilliant to have come up with ghost scenes like this
They should have never gotten married. She was way too young, and everyone took advantage of her. When her natural talent started to shine, they had one goal, and that was to snuff her light out.
God I cried during this scene.. 😢 we love you Diana.. forever and always.. ❤️
Best performance ever
1:01 It was a good act. I have absolutely no respect for that man.
Nobody cares who you have respect for. Get your head out your hole.
If only he'd admitted those things while she was alive... he waited until she was no longer there...
I get chills every time
"You only know you love her when you let her go.."
Regrets are a shit of a thing.
The show runners must've been inspired by a similar scene from the (fictional) "King Charles III." The difference is that in the latter Diana's ghost visited Charles after he became king.
Fine, I'll go and rewatch the Crown again.
Charles and Diana were legendary. Everything about them is utterly fascinating. It’s BIG. Their wedding was big, their marriage was big, their way of life was big, their two immediate royal princes, the way they fascinated the kingdom and the globe, their divorce, everything about them was Shakespearean. They are my favorites.
I wish we truly could have a conversation like this with a recently departed loved one. A spirit or ghost a memory to let us talk one last time but to the person not just our memory of them from our own head. (Twice in a dream I had something similar from my own mind.)
My great grandmother died and that night in a dream a younger version of her came to talk with me, Tell me how much she loved me, how I would go on always with her love around me. Sh3 showed me a photo frame of us two as young children looking identical but separated by 70 years and three generations.
My best friend months after she died I dreamed of her as a ghost watching me check into a hotel and messing with the registration system computer so she could watch me longer. I went over to talk with her. I asked why she hadn’t visited sooner if she was still around. I told her her old cats were safe and loved in my home and heart. She was evasive
Elizabeth Debciki was amazing as Diana!
This scene is fantastic and I shall now spend an enormous amount of time explaining why when I could be doing productive things.
- the acting is, as ever, superb. The facial expressions and tone add extra meaning to the spoken words.
- the writing is great. Even just the use of "ta-daa" elicits humour, a sense of Diana's character, and a cruel irony about her fate- it was entirely out of her control, and yet she will be praised and remembered for it.
- the fact that Diana is essentially a figment of Charles's imagination here, so what she says, and Charles's response, actually informs us of his character more deeply. When she thanks him for being so raw at the hospital, he is FINALLY acknowledging to himself that all she ever wanted was his love, and he let her down by refusing to give it to her. When she says she loves him, that's him acknowledging her love was real. Throughout the show we see him accuse her of being manipulative and selfish, as a defense mechanism to protect his ego. He always knew deep down that she didn't deserve his shoddy treatment. But he was so pre-occupied by his own victimisation that he ignored hers. Here, he can finally admit this to himself. (I do believe he was a victim of an unwanted arranged marriage, but he took it out on her, rather than confronting the real perpetrators).
- the fact that she offers him some of his old coping strategies, and he denies them. "It'll be easier for everyone, now that I'm gone" and "the regret will pass" are invitations to denial. But he consciously makes a choice to embrace the reality of his feelings at long last. It's like a conversation between his conscious and his subconscious mind. Fascinating stuff!
THIS IS FICTION YOU KNOW AND YOU ARE DUMB TO ANALYSE IT AS IF IT IS REAL- we can, and should, analyse fiction. Odds are the real Prince Charles did not have a conversation with the ghost of Diana who may or may not be a reflection of his sub-conscious mind, okay? Okay ❤