So is that the other way around if u see a buck pass through in the summer does that mean he's coming back in fall winter just checking on his winter bedroom ??
I live in ND in my area its mainly ag fields with some trees and cat tails sloughs a few praires.. sadly less and less nowadays but anyway do these rules apply to my area? They dont have many places to go so i feel as if they dont moves as much around here
So it sounds like im in good shape i had bucks up until they started growing their antlers. I havnt had a single buck picture till last night. food plots are going to get seeded in the next week or two.
Jeff, I hunt a super narrow strip of woods between two ag fields. It roughly 8 acres of woods sitting between two 40-ish acre ag fields. It seems like quite a travel corridor. Can you (if you haven't already) do a video on super small parcels in relation to ag fields? If it helps the wooded strip is 30 up to 60 yards wide in places with higher stem counts.
Agreed. I understand hunting big ag is something Jeff has us try to avoid. But I hunt private land (owned by someone else) that I cannot put food plots on. One is along a River with ag fields. The other is a squarish block of cover surrounded by ag. I think a lot of Midwest hunters are working with this type of terrain features.
I already replied to this, but I started thinking about it. I don’t think he will do a video on this. All of his tactics are about defining predictable movements that can be exploited efficiently. With the exception of small fields surrounded by cover, ag probably doesn’t fit this approach. Really you almost have to wait until after harvest, because access alone would cause so much noise/scent trail (be it corn or beans). After harvest I bet the movements become more defined. I have some cell cams up and am going to track number of deer pics pre- and post harvest. I bet the deer move along my travel corridors more consistently post harvest because all the cover from the crops is gone. Ag is almost like doing habitat improvements that mess up a parcel. It scatters movement. I bet that’s why he hasn’t approached this topic.
Areas like this would usually only hold one mature buck and if he was there it's because he was forced to be there cuz of pressure from somewhere else if the pressure is too heavy they will stack up
Where can I find your information on the difference between summer cover and fall cover for bucks? You mention often that there is a difference. What is that difference? Recently discovered your stuff and am really enjoying it. Thank you for sharing your knowledge. I wish you guys did land surveys in Texas!
I used to get so depressed when the bucks I had around in August disappeared. And even more depressed when non were around during the hunting season. Then I became a WHS disciple. Made all the changes as per your bible and viola! I got fall and winter bucks. I now believe when I shoot one of those once in a lifetime sized bucks it’s going to be the first or second week of December, with my bow by a licking branch on a trail to a hunting plot. Thanks again
Man I love to hear that Kevin, so much!! So awesome and CONGRATS 😊 Even though I know and teach this concept, it is always refreshing to see those big ones beginning to come back! Alwayd appreciate you watching and commenting!
Great video. My property is 100 acres and every summer I have all the bucks on my property. It took me a few years to figure out that wasn't necessarily a good thing, because every October those 7 or 8 great bucks I'd been getting on camera for months would vanish. Usually around the first of December one or two will straggle back around and give me an opportunity.
I implemented the mock scrapes and got 3 bucks in one picture. You said if they are there in the summer it’s bad. But I’m getting constant photos of bucks. Any help ?
I hear you grew up in Oakland County Jeff? I live there, an insignificant town named Troy; I started following you recently, I am impressed by your point of view on setting up plots and proper prep for the season. I do have 55acre in Goodland, just north of Imlay City off Van Dyke that I hunt, nice mix of ag/hay/swampy creek crossing it, lot of potential even with the hunting pressure from the surrounding...everything runs into my little 4acre swamp that is full with willow and thick brush, lol. Keep up the good work, you are the right track. Dan
I have converted remaining fields to following your no till process And eager to see the results this fall and winter. I have enjoyed your videos and appreciate your work.
Right Jeff another great video. That was interesting about the buck heard not being around with to many does. I got a few does around mock scrap working good hopefully I can see some bucks around thank you for another great video Jeff
The shift is every year here on the farm.bucks always leave. That's why I been following your channel to learn how to change the property to get the bucks to stay during the fall.I have put your teaching to heart an put in new food plots deep in the middle of the woods an added larger fall plots on 300ac I now have twenty ac in food plots. Bedding hinge cut s travel corridors between the plots and the hinge cut areas that make a big circle around the property.i hopefully that this will keep the here on the farm instead of leaving going to the neighbors corn feeders .it's all woods with some pasture ground . Thank you Jeff for all of your teaching ,I'm 65yrs old an I'm still learning
I’m going to be a first year bow hunter. Have access to a 25 acre property in suburbs/urban environment. Only around 5 acres of this is heavily wooded, which is backed to a fence, same pair of does on camera and one massive buck so far in a weeks worth camera footage. It’s hardwood with what I’d call pretty high stem count, thoigh the edge of it gets sparse with only hardwoods and this faces an open field. The deer work this edge, Jeff do you (or anyone else) have thoughts on how to be successful?
I used to run cameras year round. now two weeks before bow is when I put out cameras. I would get all excited about something just moving through. Now I have learned its not there unless its there.
My new recently acquired 20 acres surrounded by AG, and neighbors woods, I see only small yearling bucks. I have literally 3 large bucks that showed up on trail cam only once each this summer. All of them hit the mock scrapes. I am hoping they will become more frequent as they shift. I am guessing I am lucky in that I think I have a “natural” fall property. I have been following The Sturgis Bible all summer! Looking forward to fall and also improving the herd strength. Thanks again Jeff! You are awesome!
@@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751 something you said really stuck with me. I’m paraphrasing but here goes... you mentioned a client had a great property without doing any improvements. And they were happy. But what you said “imagine how much better it could be if you just put in place some of these strategies”. That has really stuck with me! Thanks again!
Had a buck on camera that we watched for 4 years that spent his summer about a mile and a half as the crow flies from our property and would show up on ours from September 10-12th every single year. Pretty ridiculous!!
Very cool!! We have seen that with so many bucks for so many years! A friend of mine just saw one about a mile from our place in WI that is one of the biggest I have ever seen...cool to know there is a realistic chance for him. Especially since he was on the land last season 😊
What i have noticed is a bachelor group will come through a few times during the summer just passing through and a very small percentage return late rut. But mostly just does and fawns all summer. Great videos as always Jeff much appreciated.
I haven't gotten very many buck pictures this summer, with the exception of the same few young bucks and a few does. The bigger bucks I was watching earlier this year disappeared back in May/June. I've been running at least 5 cell cameras constantly on my 250 acres for the last 2 years. I hope them biggons start coming back as fall comes. It's getting about time to get fall food plots ready here in VA. Fingers crossed lol.
Well I can tell you this...you would rather have zero older bucks during the Summer instead of the majority of them! So...it sounds like you fall is full of hope already 😊
@@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751 Definitely would rather have them in the fall! I've been applying some of your methods for the last 3 years, and I think it's paying off.
The last couple years I have noticed somewhat of a shift around the first of august where the bucks on my farm really start showing up and about half of them give or take stick around all season. I also experience the same shift you always talk about
What do you think it means when every now and then I’ll find 2 or 3 mature bucks sheds from bucks I haven’t seen? Could it just be them moving in from neighbors after high pressure hunting season?
@@ryanmacke150 also, remember some bucks will summer around you and then move elsewhere during the shift. So it could be bucks coming back that you never seen or had pictures of
We only get picts of bucks once they shift. We provide no food until fall, so we don't see a whole lot till then.. but once our fall food comes in, here they come.
@@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751 they aren't big, but we have been letting them walk for 2 years now, so maybe a shooter this year.. if not a doe or 2 for the freezer is fine. But having the control is key for sure.. thanks again!
Hi Roger! Hopefully it just mean that you are doing a great job with your habitat and land 😊 Often the 6' height in the tree helps a lot with the red flash in particular
You can't keep bucks on 3-10 acres. Its not enough habitat. I have 8 acres and create the attraction to bring them to my property but they don't live on it.
@@trumanmiller94 okay good to know, I live in the suburbs and the most woods in a parcel is like 8-10 acres which makes sense because I get the same bucks constantly 1-2 miles apart, I’m new to bow hunting and shot 2 deer last year, I had a lot of big bucks around the rut, but I couldn’t keep them there which now makes sense.
@@brendanmurnane9268 same here. I shot 2 with the bow. Nov. 5th and 21st. I don't have any hunting pressure around me so I have to be careful how I hunt them. So I've created some bedding and food and I have good results. I just don't hunt many days. I think I only sat 3 times last year
This past year I saw at least 5 mature bucks in the stand as opposed to 2 mature bucks in the stand the previous year. One of our plots failed because I didnt realize brassicas needed a good bit of sunlight and they didnt do well in this small plot behind my house. We did learn how the bucks moved through our area but without a solid plot there wasnt a super big buck that took up residence even though they moved through the area. This year we're planting a clover chicory plot that should do extremely well so Im excited to see what will happen plus we are putting a higher priority on not overhunting our area since its only 25 to 30 acres. We split the area in half so my friend hunts a mile up the road and im on the other end. Love learning even though I have to learn the hard way sometimes lol
I’ve been huntin 15-20 years an the big bucks I see in summer are still there in the fall on national forest or private I call bullshit on half of you’re videos
Unfortunately you are in the minority...you just need more experience outside of your box. You design 1100 food plot programs in 26 states and get paid to actually be right...and get back to me. Otherwise you really don't have enough experience to know what you obviously don't know.
I’ve been hunting for a few years, and still have yet to have one of my “prize” bucks come in for me to harvest. I have one that’s habitually on a new hunting property right now, morning, evening, and throughout the night. The woods haven’t been hunted for a years. Any tips on how to keep him in the area from now until opening season? I’m going to dump apples and apple flavored corn in hopes to keep him there with supplying the “best food” source. Woods have wheat field, bean field and cornfield around it. Coming from northwestern Ohio
I have a big 13 point on Public land I started watching last year. He disappeared in October and didn’t get another picture until January. I’ve got a bunch of cameras to try to pick up on his movement and found him traveling at least 2 miles this summer. I found one of his sheds probably 3 miles from where he was last summer. Just about give up on him because I can’t figure out his movement
Hi, love the channel as it has helped me immensely this year. I have a new 33 acre narrow lot surrounded by conservation hardwoods that are city land that cant be hunted( 1,000+ acres) i had a couple bucks and core doe hers all winter and into march and then black bears (im in new hampshire) came out and most everything left. Couple doe come to my food plots each week but thats it. This past week a big 8 and 4 came through briefly for feeding. Is this the summer move happening?
They definitely foreshadow their Fall movements often...a very good thing! Not necessarily the time for them to shift but they are beginning to stretch their legs a bit
Do black bears push deer away? I still have one mother and two cubs once a week sniffing around the feeders I emptied because they kept tearing them up.
I have 400 acres in DE, including 40 acres of open woods. Our bucks still spend the summer in our corn fields until harvested. I think it could be to avoid insects. Any thoughts?
Hi Virgil, I'm not sure? Deer do not like to stay in corn all day unless forced to for lack of cover. They miss feedings by living in the corn as they can not eat corn all day...or acorns...or anything else 100% of the time. There would be a good reason they are in the corn and getting away from the bugs I can imagine too, they can be brutal in some areas of the country!
Boy Trell...so many considerations! I have some 30 yards apart some 200 yards apart. The main thing is if you are on a hunting plot, near a larger holding plot, the hunting plot should be far enough away to allow you to get in and out of your treestand without spooking deer.
@@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751 I just have two stands with a strip of woods in the middle both lanes are 300 yards long about 100 yards wide , I didn’t know if 100 yards was to close for two food plots
Great video Jeff!!! I hope I can hold the bucks this fall by having fall food, since there was nothing here before!! Pretty cool with the one on the driveway yesterday afternoon!!
I’ve noticed this shift in the past 10 years or so. It’s funny you made this video because everyone thinks I’m crazy. Lol I’ve noticed in tioga county Pennsylvania that usually the end of September they shift then return for a couple days around end of October or beginning of November but I also have noticed usually they’ll return again the second week of riffle season (beginning of December). I’m thinking it’s either because of hunting pressure or them looking for unbred doe’s.
I always find a late summer season cold front push the deer into their fall patterns…piggyback with the bucks losing their velvet. That’s what happens in Upper Michigan…. Around sept 10th
Thanks for sharing this. I recently got a big 8 on camera in the back half of my Dad's 5 acre property. I saw the same deer 🦌 cross the road midday to go back to the mineral lick. I know that he won't be there early October. Thankfully we have 400+ acres around us to hunt and hopefully find him. Would be a fantastic first Archery 🏹 buck.
This information is great! Thank you. I have witnessed this for many years and scratched my head trying to figure out why. A friend just recommended all of your comment so I am new to this. Simple question though. Is it worth the risk of running cameras all summer and being on property? Thanks again
Jeff, I, (like most of the folks here) tune into your videos religiously and have experienced a significant uptick in success since implementing your strategies and for that I am sincerely grateful. If I may humbly offer one bit of advice… you start to lose me when you frequently use terms like “ i coined this” or “invented that”. It comes across as arrogant and you dont strike me as that sort of person. You were not the first person to ever talk about a “whitetail shift” or use the term “line of movement”. My grandpa and many others used those terms all the time back in the 60s and I never heard them boast that “they coined the concept”. The strategies that you preach are tried and true and effective and you are a fantastic teacher. That should be good enough.
Hi Jeff W...those are terms I recognized, coined, defined and unfortunately folks misuse them. So I continue to define those as my own, along with many of the other terms in my books. I don't like other folks using them without crediting where they heard them from. Or misusing the terms I created. Maybe folks used those terms in the past...but not online, in books, in print or in public. Same with the planting concepts that I tested for years and originated. For me personally I never copy and use...which unfortunately is the hunting industry way. The cool thing all of those terms can be searched online to find out who used them first and their original meaning. Unfortunately I will keep doing that because I want to make sure folks learn appropriately and that the terms are not continually bastardized...basically copied and misused by folks that don't have enough experience to know better. That's why all content on this channel is 100% original, unlike any other channel. And because I originated the content and am deeply familiar with the recognition and definition of those concepts, the use of those concepts in my videos can help the most folks in the most appropriate manner. That's literally the main reason that I wrote my first book...to define the concepts that I originated before others copied them, misused them and did so as their own. Same with my weather algorithm and weather book, my upcoming hills and thermal projects, my food plot concepts, etc. I always give credit to where I learned something if I refer to someone else...like John Ozoga...I read nothing about whitetails, watch no videos about whitetail strategy and only learn in the field with 1000s of notes taken in the field. There are a few dozen original concepts that are my own, and I protect. Also, every piece of land I go to for clients or content I create is based on those concepts that I recognized, defined and coined...that's why they help so many folks because as the originator of them I am intimately familiar with them. Others copy...I do not. Which is a good thing for readers and viewers. Unfortunately you will keep hearing those comments because after all, they are my own concepts.
Great video as always the heat has taken its toll this summer I'm just about ready to knock down the buckwheat while planting into it 2 some of the younger guys out there keep hope alive I'll be 63 on the 20th and I just got my first saddle a couple days ago so all in all I've got seven stands now hope everybody has a great season
Crazy I go all summer without seeing bucks. But come late August early September they show up and I get frequent pictures all through late December early January then they gone again. Put my first food plot in this fall so hopefully I can draw the big bucks in to the food and get an arrow in one!
I wish you could come look at the public at my camp I got close to a 100000 acres of public at my camp in ne Louisiana its pretty much the same from one end to the other bedding is lost to me out there and acorns are everywhere and scrapes are everywhere idk how to find the mature buck hotspot
Jeff, I’ve been working on food plots in North Central Pennsylvania for a number of years now. Decided to plant Japanese millet in some wet areas and they are growing to full maturity this summer. Have you any experience with Japanese millet and white tail deer? AT
Is it a bad idea to plant rye under your brassica 3 weeks after you planted the brassica? I was a little confused on the food plot video on whether to separate them completely or separate the planting times.
I love the idea of these videos and have been putting a lot of the things you say in place. The problem is, i live in Kentucky and feeding corn and using feed is legal here, so what happens is my neighbors come in and put out 500+ lbs of corn or deer feed and end up taking my deer off my property just long enough for them to kill them. I guess i could do the same thing but that's not really hunting in my opinion so i try to do it right. Any suggestions for this issue?
What if you have summer bucks but you know you have the only food in the neighborhood do you think they will still move since I would have the only food in the area?
Jeff, i have had the complete opposite of this scenario happen. I have a monster buck I seen last year towards the end of the season around late December once in the stand. I strictly bow hunt and he was out of range. The season ended shortly after. I had pictures of "Bravo" everyday from December 28 through mid May. He has now since disappeared from the camera. My question is why has he disappeared? will I see him again late season? Is he still around? why is this buck MIA during the summer and fall yet showing up in the winter and spring time?
Hey just curious Gary was the on land without ag around it. Biggest buck i ever shot was on camera almost everyday summer and fall on a property with no surrounding ag
I do not doubt what your saying, but my question is. Is Taking an inventory during late summer months useless? I'm newish to deer hunting and see lots of videos of hunters getting summer pics then making a "hitlist" then killing them in the fall. How do you achieve that, if bucks shift during fall?
I have some properties where there's only bucks all summer long, basically no does, and they do all pretty much split 1st 2nd week of October, some even sooner, and most never come back, I've killed over a handful of mature September bucks out of areas like that, so to say that's not good, is not quite all that true.
wow the video clip of 6 Nice Bucks!
I love baby deers
They are tasty!
Getting close here. They still running together here. Two decent bucks around our yard almost daily but wont be much longer
Good video. Insightful. Id argue a few points you made about nocturnal bucks but over all this is a good video.
I usually have 1 or 2 summer bucks. October rolls around and watch out....
Nice...perfect timing Chris!!
So is that the other way around if u see a buck pass through in the summer does that mean he's coming back in fall winter just checking on his winter bedroom ??
I live in ND in my area its mainly ag fields with some trees and cat tails sloughs a few praires.. sadly less and less nowadays but anyway do these rules apply to my area? They dont have many places to go so i feel as if they dont moves as much around here
I deal with this EVERY YEAR! UGH! Have food plots but big bucks leave end of August and come back in February. Heartbreaking!!!
So it sounds like im in good shape i had bucks up until they started growing their antlers. I havnt had a single buck picture till last night. food plots are going to get seeded in the next week or two.
I barely see bucks during the summer
I don't start seeing the 5 1/2 - 6 1/2 year olds till January
That's a great thing 😊
@@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751 but i do have does that stay on my cameras all
year
Jeff, I hunt a super narrow strip of woods between two ag fields. It roughly 8 acres of woods sitting between two 40-ish acre ag fields. It seems like quite a travel corridor. Can you (if you haven't already) do a video on super small parcels in relation to ag fields? If it helps the wooded strip is 30 up to 60 yards wide in places with higher stem counts.
Yes... been waiting for a heavy ag/small cover feature also.
Yes I would greatly appreciate this as well
Agreed. I understand hunting big ag is something Jeff has us try to avoid. But I hunt private land (owned by someone else) that I cannot put food plots on. One is along a River with ag fields. The other is a squarish block of cover surrounded by ag. I think a lot of Midwest hunters are working with this type of terrain features.
I already replied to this, but I started thinking about it. I don’t think he will do a video on this. All of his tactics are about defining predictable movements that can be exploited efficiently. With the exception of small fields surrounded by cover, ag probably doesn’t fit this approach. Really you almost have to wait until after harvest, because access alone would cause so much noise/scent trail (be it corn or beans). After harvest I bet the movements become more defined. I have some cell cams up and am going to track number of deer pics pre- and post harvest. I bet the deer move along my travel corridors more consistently post harvest because all the cover from the crops is gone. Ag is almost like doing habitat improvements that mess up a parcel. It scatters movement. I bet that’s why he hasn’t approached this topic.
Areas like this would usually only hold one mature buck and if he was there it's because he was forced to be there cuz of pressure from somewhere else if the pressure is too heavy they will stack up
This is some good STUFF 👍👍
Where can I find your information on the difference between summer cover and fall cover for bucks? You mention often that there is a difference. What is that difference? Recently discovered your stuff and am really enjoying it. Thank you for sharing your knowledge. I wish you guys did land surveys in Texas!
I used to get so depressed when the bucks I had around in August disappeared. And even more depressed when non were around during the hunting season. Then I became a WHS disciple. Made all the changes as per your bible and viola! I got fall and winter bucks. I now believe when I shoot one of those once in a lifetime sized bucks it’s going to be the first or second week of December, with my bow by a licking branch on a trail to a hunting plot.
Thanks again
Man I love to hear that Kevin, so much!! So awesome and CONGRATS 😊
Even though I know and teach this concept, it is always refreshing to see those big ones beginning to come back! Alwayd appreciate you watching and commenting!
Amen!
Great video. My property is 100 acres and every summer I have all the bucks on my property. It took me a few years to figure out that wasn't necessarily a good thing, because every October those 7 or 8 great bucks I'd been getting on camera for months would vanish. Usually around the first of December one or two will straggle back around and give me an opportunity.
Hi Jeremy...great opportunity to turn the land into a true Fall parcel and keep them around...maybe even repel a few during the Summer months 😊
I implemented the mock scrapes and got 3 bucks in one picture. You said if they are there in the summer it’s bad. But I’m getting constant photos of bucks. Any help ?
Hi Eli! Really depends on if you have Fall habitat or not...they are two entirely different habitat types when it comes to mature bucks.
Im late again! Lol, thanks Jeff! Ive seen a couple bucks by themselves through here but only about once a month. Cant wait to find him this fall!
I can't wait Isaac you to find him too 👍 Better later than never 😊
@@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751 Yes sir!
I hear you grew up in Oakland County Jeff? I live there, an insignificant town named Troy;
I started following you recently, I am impressed by your point of view on setting up plots and proper prep for the season.
I do have 55acre in Goodland, just north of Imlay City off Van Dyke that I hunt, nice mix of ag/hay/swampy creek crossing it, lot of potential even with the hunting pressure from the surrounding...everything runs into my little 4acre swamp that is full with willow and thick brush, lol.
Keep up the good work, you are the right track.
Dan
I have converted remaining fields to following your no till process And eager to see the results this fall and winter.
I have enjoyed your videos and appreciate your work.
Hi there,Morning Jeff sir. Great video as always. Thanks.😎
Good morning Ron and thank you very much! I really hope that you enjoyed it 😊
@@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751,Yes sir & makes sense.
Right Jeff another great video. That was interesting about the buck heard not being around with to many does. I got a few does around mock scrap working good hopefully I can see some bucks around thank you for another great video Jeff
Thanks 👍
The shift is every year here on the farm.bucks always leave.
That's why I been following your channel to learn how to change the property to get the bucks to stay during the fall.I have put your teaching to heart an put in new food plots deep in the middle of the woods an added larger fall plots on 300ac I now have twenty ac in food plots. Bedding hinge cut s travel corridors between the plots and the hinge cut areas that make a big circle around the property.i hopefully that this will keep the here on the farm instead of leaving going to the neighbors corn feeders .it's all woods with some pasture ground .
Thank you Jeff for all of your teaching ,I'm 65yrs old an I'm still learning
I was just literally thinking about this looking at some trail pictures from different parts of the property
Hi Anthony...it is certainly that time of the year 😊
@@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751 does this differ from north and south. I live in Florida
I’m going to be a first year bow hunter. Have access to a 25 acre property in suburbs/urban environment. Only around 5 acres of this is heavily wooded, which is backed to a fence, same pair of does on camera and one massive buck so far in a weeks worth camera footage. It’s hardwood with what I’d call pretty high stem count, thoigh the edge of it gets sparse with only hardwoods and this faces an open field. The deer work this edge, Jeff do you (or anyone else) have thoughts on how to be successful?
I used to run cameras year round. now two weeks before bow is when I put out cameras. I would get all excited about something just moving through. Now I have learned its not there unless its there.
I think that's a great focus David!!
My new recently acquired 20 acres surrounded by AG, and neighbors woods, I see only small yearling bucks. I have literally 3 large bucks that showed up on trail cam only once each this summer. All of them hit the mock scrapes. I am hoping they will become more frequent as they shift. I am guessing I am lucky in that I think I have a “natural” fall property. I have been following The Sturgis Bible all summer! Looking forward to fall and also improving the herd strength.
Thanks again Jeff! You are awesome!
Tony, man...thank you so much!! I'm just happy how excited that you are and what the potential can be 👍😊
@@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751 something you said really stuck with me. I’m paraphrasing but here goes... you mentioned a client had a great property without doing any improvements. And they were happy. But what you said “imagine how much better it could be if you just put in place some of these strategies”. That has really stuck with me! Thanks again!
Jeff, I love the videos, and I’m trying to incorporate as much of the information you are giving out into my 26 acre parcel.
That's awesome Tyler...I hope that you have an incredible Fall!! Thanks a lot for watching, too!!
Had a buck on camera that we watched for 4 years that spent his summer about a mile and a half as the crow flies from our property and would show up on ours from September 10-12th every single year. Pretty ridiculous!!
Very cool!! We have seen that with so many bucks for so many years! A friend of mine just saw one about a mile from our place in WI that is one of the biggest I have ever seen...cool to know there is a realistic chance for him. Especially since he was on the land last season 😊
What i have noticed is a bachelor group will come through a few times during the summer just passing through and a very small percentage return late rut. But mostly just does and fawns all summer. Great videos as always Jeff much appreciated.
Thanks a lot J...bottom line, man I love watching them this time of the year!!
@@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751 absolutely! Always exciting too see
I’m in South Carolina planning for fall, thinking about fall food plots, and plenty food for the does till the bucks come back
Sounds great Trell, good luck!!
I haven't gotten very many buck pictures this summer, with the exception of the same few young bucks and a few does. The bigger bucks I was watching earlier this year disappeared back in May/June. I've been running at least 5 cell cameras constantly on my 250 acres for the last 2 years. I hope them biggons start coming back as fall comes. It's getting about time to get fall food plots ready here in VA. Fingers crossed lol.
Well I can tell you this...you would rather have zero older bucks during the Summer instead of the majority of them! So...it sounds like you fall is full of hope already 😊
@@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751 Definitely would rather have them in the fall! I've been applying some of your methods for the last 3 years, and I think it's paying off.
Thanks Jeff👍 Great information as always! Have a great day all!
Thanks a lot Mike, you have a great day too!!
The last couple years I have noticed somewhat of a shift around the first of august where the bucks on my farm really start showing up and about half of them give or take stick around all season. I also experience the same shift you always talk about
What do you think it means when every now and then I’ll find 2 or 3 mature bucks sheds from bucks I haven’t seen? Could it just be them moving in from neighbors after high pressure hunting season?
Possibly...
Sounds like you're the one over hunting them
@@trumanmiller94 id typically agree but I have a lot of success and don’t hunt super aggressively.
@@ryanmacke150 how many days did you hunt your property last year?
@@ryanmacke150 also, remember some bucks will summer around you and then move elsewhere during the shift. So it could be bucks coming back that you never seen or had pictures of
You are the man Jeff!
Thanks Austin, really hope the vid makes sense!!
We only get picts of bucks once they shift. We provide no food until fall, so we don't see a whole lot till then.. but once our fall food comes in, here they come.
Amen JJ...that's the way to do it for sure, way to be a true herd influencer!!
@@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751 they aren't big, but we have been letting them walk for 2 years now, so maybe a shooter this year.. if not a doe or 2 for the freezer is fine. But having the control is key for sure.. thanks again!
So glad to hear this….all the bucks disappeared off my property at the beginning of the summer and I was concerned. Now I’m looking forward to fall!
I'm not getting many deer on trail cam at all but I'm afraid it's just the red flash spooking them. I got the cam fairly high tho
Hi Roger! Hopefully it just mean that you are doing a great job with your habitat and land 😊 Often the 6' height in the tree helps a lot with the red flash in particular
@@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751 thanks I appreciate it👍
Hey Jeff it’d be cool to have a video on how to hunt small parcels (3-10 acres) and how to keep bucks there.
You can't keep bucks on 3-10 acres. Its not enough habitat. I have 8 acres and create the attraction to bring them to my property but they don't live on it.
@@trumanmiller94 okay good to know, I live in the suburbs and the most woods in a parcel is like 8-10 acres which makes sense because I get the same bucks constantly 1-2 miles apart, I’m new to bow hunting and shot 2 deer last year, I had a lot of big bucks around the rut, but I couldn’t keep them there which now makes sense.
@@brendanmurnane9268 same here. I shot 2 with the bow. Nov. 5th and 21st. I don't have any hunting pressure around me so I have to be careful how I hunt them. So I've created some bedding and food and I have good results. I just don't hunt many days. I think I only sat 3 times last year
This past year I saw at least 5 mature bucks in the stand as opposed to 2 mature bucks in the stand the previous year. One of our plots failed because I didnt realize brassicas needed a good bit of sunlight and they didnt do well in this small plot behind my house. We did learn how the bucks moved through our area but without a solid plot there wasnt a super big buck that took up residence even though they moved through the area. This year we're planting a clover chicory plot that should do extremely well so Im excited to see what will happen plus we are putting a higher priority on not overhunting our area since its only 25 to 30 acres. We split the area in half so my friend hunts a mile up the road and im on the other end. Love learning even though I have to learn the hard way sometimes lol
Jeff, being the numbers guy you are, what is your estimated cost on deer management per year?
I love when people in the area start saying all their bucks disappear because not long after they show up to my property
I’ve been huntin 15-20 years an the big bucks I see in summer are still there in the fall on national forest or private I call bullshit on half of you’re videos
Unfortunately you are in the minority...you just need more experience outside of your box. You design 1100 food plot programs in 26 states and get paid to actually be right...and get back to me. Otherwise you really don't have enough experience to know what you obviously don't know.
I’ve been hunting for a few years, and still have yet to have one of my “prize” bucks come in for me to harvest. I have one that’s habitually on a new hunting property right now, morning, evening, and throughout the night. The woods haven’t been hunted for a years. Any tips on how to keep him in the area from now until opening season? I’m going to dump apples and apple flavored corn in hopes to keep him there with supplying the “best food” source. Woods have wheat field, bean field and cornfield around it. Coming from northwestern Ohio
I have a big 13 point on Public land I started watching last year. He disappeared in October and didn’t get another picture until January. I’ve got a bunch of cameras to try to pick up on his movement and found him traveling at least 2 miles this summer. I found one of his sheds probably 3 miles from where he was last summer. Just about give up on him because I can’t figure out his movement
Hi, love the channel as it has helped me immensely this year. I have a new 33 acre narrow lot surrounded by conservation hardwoods that are city land that cant be hunted( 1,000+ acres) i had a couple bucks and core doe hers all winter and into march and then black bears (im in new hampshire) came out and most everything left. Couple doe come to my food plots each week but thats it. This past week a big 8 and 4 came through briefly for feeding. Is this the summer move happening?
They definitely foreshadow their Fall movements often...a very good thing! Not necessarily the time for them to shift but they are beginning to stretch their legs a bit
Do black bears push deer away? I still have one mother and two cubs once a week sniffing around the feeders I emptied because they kept tearing them up.
I have 400 acres in DE, including 40 acres of open woods. Our bucks still spend the summer in our corn fields until harvested. I think it could be to avoid insects. Any thoughts?
Hi Virgil, I'm not sure? Deer do not like to stay in corn all day unless forced to for lack of cover. They miss feedings by living in the corn as they can not eat corn all day...or acorns...or anything else 100% of the time. There would be a good reason they are in the corn and getting away from the bugs I can imagine too, they can be brutal in some areas of the country!
Thanks for the info as always. Right now I haven't been seeing many bucks but hopefully they'll be here in the fall. Great video!
Quick question about how far should food plots be apart
Boy Trell...so many considerations! I have some 30 yards apart some 200 yards apart. The main thing is if you are on a hunting plot, near a larger holding plot, the hunting plot should be far enough away to allow you to get in and out of your treestand without spooking deer.
@@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751 I just have two stands with a strip of woods in the middle both lanes are 300 yards long about 100 yards wide , I didn’t know if 100 yards was to close for two food plots
Great video Jeff!!! I hope I can hold the bucks this fall by having fall food, since there was nothing here before!! Pretty cool with the one on the driveway yesterday afternoon!!
I’ve noticed this shift in the past 10 years or so. It’s funny you made this video because everyone thinks I’m crazy. Lol
I’ve noticed in tioga county Pennsylvania that usually the end of September they shift then return for a couple days around end of October or beginning of November but I also have noticed usually they’ll return again the second week of riffle season (beginning of December). I’m thinking it’s either because of hunting pressure or them looking for unbred doe’s.
I always find a late summer season cold front push the deer into their fall patterns…piggyback with the bucks losing their velvet. That’s what happens in Upper Michigan…. Around sept 10th
Jeff, it seems like these home ranges switch right around the first day of the season! Lol
Ha...oh no!! 😁 Funny how that works...they instantly know like a switch went off
That's for sure. I see that happen when people all decide to go into woods right before season and they notice the change in smells
I had 2 bucks on my cameras all spring and early summer. Then only had them once all of July. Looking forward to seeing who shows up this fall
Thanks for sharing this. I recently got a big 8 on camera in the back half of my Dad's 5 acre property. I saw the same deer 🦌 cross the road midday to go back to the mineral lick. I know that he won't be there early October. Thankfully we have 400+ acres around us to hunt and hopefully find him. Would be a fantastic first Archery 🏹 buck.
Can you speak.on what to plant and when to plant it in the southern states? I am in north east texas and would.like to hear your take on our area.
This information is great! Thank you. I have witnessed this for many years and scratched my head trying to figure out why. A friend just recommended all of your comment so I am new to this. Simple question though. Is it worth the risk of running cameras all summer and being on property? Thanks again
Now I just need to work on getting the property I hunt in WV to be a fall property....
Amen Jonny...it can be done! 😊
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Just need to get rid of this stupid full time Job. Lol
Jeff, I, (like most of the folks here) tune into your videos religiously and have experienced a significant uptick in success since implementing your strategies and for that I am sincerely grateful. If I may humbly offer one bit of advice… you start to lose me when you frequently use terms like “ i coined this” or “invented that”. It comes across as arrogant and you dont strike me as that sort of person. You were not the first person to ever talk about a “whitetail shift” or use the term “line of movement”. My grandpa and many others used those terms all the time back in the 60s and I never heard them boast that “they coined the concept”. The strategies that you preach are tried and true and effective and you are a fantastic teacher. That should be good enough.
Hi Jeff W...those are terms I recognized, coined, defined and unfortunately folks misuse them. So I continue to define those as my own, along with many of the other terms in my books. I don't like other folks using them without crediting where they heard them from. Or misusing the terms I created. Maybe folks used those terms in the past...but not online, in books, in print or in public. Same with the planting concepts that I tested for years and originated.
For me personally I never copy and use...which unfortunately is the hunting industry way. The cool thing all of those terms can be searched online to find out who used them first and their original meaning.
Unfortunately I will keep doing that because I want to make sure folks learn appropriately and that the terms are not continually bastardized...basically copied and misused by folks that don't have enough experience to know better. That's why all content on this channel is 100% original, unlike any other channel. And because I originated the content and am deeply familiar with the recognition and definition of those concepts, the use of those concepts in my videos can help the most folks in the most appropriate manner.
That's literally the main reason that I wrote my first book...to define the concepts that I originated before others copied them, misused them and did so as their own. Same with my weather algorithm and weather book, my upcoming hills and thermal projects, my food plot concepts, etc. I always give credit to where I learned something if I refer to someone else...like John Ozoga...I read nothing about whitetails, watch no videos about whitetail strategy and only learn in the field with 1000s of notes taken in the field.
There are a few dozen original concepts that are my own, and I protect. Also, every piece of land I go to for clients or content I create is based on those concepts that I recognized, defined and coined...that's why they help so many folks because as the originator of them I am intimately familiar with them. Others copy...I do not. Which is a good thing for readers and viewers. Unfortunately you will keep hearing those comments because after all, they are my own concepts.
I'm seeing bucks in my ag fields during the summer months. But I think in my case that's a good thing, since our bow season starts Sept 1st.
Great video as always the heat has taken its toll this summer I'm just about ready to knock down the buckwheat while planting into it 2 some of the younger guys out there keep hope alive I'll be 63 on the 20th and I just got my first saddle a couple days ago so all in all I've got seven stands now hope everybody has a great season
Crazy I go all summer without seeing bucks. But come late August early September they show up and I get frequent pictures all through late December early January then they gone again. Put my first food plot in this fall so hopefully I can draw the big bucks in to the food and get an arrow in one!
I wish you could come look at the public at my camp I got close to a 100000 acres of public at my camp in ne Louisiana its pretty much the same from one end to the other bedding is lost to me out there and acorns are everywhere and scrapes are everywhere idk how to find the mature buck hotspot
All I've got is a little spike on camera and no big bucks, hopefully I'll see some big ones in the fall
Jeff,
I’ve been working on food plots in North Central Pennsylvania for a number of years now. Decided to plant Japanese millet in some wet areas and they are growing to full maturity this summer. Have you any experience with Japanese millet and white tail deer?
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Is it a bad idea to plant rye under your brassica 3 weeks after you planted the brassica? I was a little confused on the food plot video on whether to separate them completely or separate the planting times.
I love the idea of these videos and have been putting a lot of the things you say in place. The problem is, i live in Kentucky and feeding corn and using feed is legal here, so what happens is my neighbors come in and put out 500+ lbs of corn or deer feed and end up taking my deer off my property just long enough for them to kill them. I guess i could do the same thing but that's not really hunting in my opinion so i try to do it right. Any suggestions for this issue?
Heading up today plenty to do on foodplot
Nice Paul...enjoy the time you guys!!
What if you have summer bucks but you know you have the only food in the neighborhood do you think they will still move since I would have the only food in the area?
Jeff, i have had the complete opposite of this scenario happen. I have a monster buck I seen last year towards the end of the season around late December once in the stand. I strictly bow hunt and he was out of range. The season ended shortly after. I had pictures of "Bravo" everyday from December 28 through mid May. He has now since disappeared from the camera. My question is why has he disappeared? will I see him again late season? Is he still around? why is this buck MIA during the summer and fall yet showing up in the winter and spring time?
We see the same Buck's in the summer and through the Fall. Killed a Buck last year I watched grow All summer.
That's very cool Gary...you are definitely in the minority 😊
Hey just curious Gary was the on land without ag around it. Biggest buck i ever shot was on camera almost everyday summer and fall on a property with no surrounding ag
@@kybucks5086 Yes
Wonder why that big deer left your property last year and traveled so far even with all the changes you made?
I do not doubt what your saying, but my question is. Is Taking an inventory during late summer months useless? I'm newish to deer hunting and see lots of videos of hunters getting summer pics then making a "hitlist" then killing them in the fall. How do you achieve that, if bucks shift during fall?
Jeff, do you think the shift happens the same in the south . North Alabama, middle Tennessee?
I have some properties where there's only bucks all summer long, basically no does, and they do all pretty much split 1st 2nd week of October, some even sooner, and most never come back, I've killed over a handful of mature September bucks out of areas like that, so to say that's not good, is not quite all that true.
Alright I think I made it first
Steve, man...almost 😊 Kurt had you by a few seconds 😬
Early bird gets the worm, but
the second mouse gets the cheese. 😂
Jeff get some sleep. U look hella tired in this video!!!
Ha...crazy Aaron, but I was!! That was a day we shot 5 and I really had to push thru it...
First?
Yes you were Kurt...Steve almost had ya 😁