All your points are valid as we age. The lifting of heavy weight will put a lot of wear and tear on the body over time. Today's DJ's have a lot of good options . I'm really leaning toward the ip1000's . Thank you :)
Hey guys...been watching this thread and thought Id pipe in on my personal experience with both Bose and the ip's. I have the L1 Model 2's and thanks to Darryl lol went for it and bought a pair of ip2000's. Honestly I love them both in different ways. The Bose system I thought id sell after I got the ip's and here I am still with it...just can't part with the Bose. 1 I already own it...and 2 there is nothing else like the sound. However I use the Bose for solo acoustic...having said that I have used the Bose also outdoors for a 3pc with drums bass and guit and just run vocs through it and it rips! BUT...if you run more than vocs in it and crank it...it chokes! It almost begins to compress and squash the sound when I put say Keys...Acoustic...bass and some vocs all in it. Too much...but just vocs and acoustic...awseome. Also the Bose rocks not only 180 degrees but also weather you are sitting down as a listener or standing up. Great dispersion. NOW...ip's...If you have nothing to start with...you can not beat the price and sound of the ip's!! If I didn't have my Bose I would have bought an ip2000 and never spent 3 grand for the model 2 ever. Just crazy money. Like most have said the ip's are SOLID and have plenty of head room. I have used these for acoustic solo/duo as well as for full band 4pc bass drum guitar vocs and backing tracks. As most have said you have to work the eq of which(again thanks to DA lol) I bought an xr18 and then push the EQ on each channel and it sounds GREAT!! The ip's will handle more input then the Bose with more insturmentaion plus vocs..but again has its limits to where it begins to get overwhelmed. I have run both drums as a band and acoustic...big room and small rooms. Naturally the best was with vdrums...bass...direct guitar and vocs all in it and sounded like the CD! Awesome. When I do bigger rooms I pull out the guitar and bass and run just vocs with a kick mic and does awesome. I guess you just have to pick your battles with the both systems. They are NOT a full PA...when I want big thats when I roll the band truck and set up the QSC KLA's and give it hell. But obviously can expect that big sound from small gear. So bottom line for vocal performance and acoustic...both rock...ip's blow away Bose for $$ value to performance ratio and average listener...but for the extreme most amazing sound I LOVE my bose and probably won't sell it soon lol...might even experiment and buy the bigger subs and another stack to really see what it does and if its worth it. Sorry for the novel hope this helps other muse's before spending their hard earned $$ Best to all... -e-
Eric Grant At one time, I had Bose L1 Model II's on each side, with each L1 having double B2 bass modules. The sound was fantastic when everything went direct through a Behringer X32 rack. The sound was loud but not full PA compared to QSC KLA's. When hauling 2 Bose L1's and 4 Bose B2 bass modules, the system is no longer portable, and cartage is worse than a traditional main/sub system. My advice - don't buy another Bose stack and additional B2 bass modules. Sell your Bose while you can still get a good price.
Eric Grant Don't give up on using acoustic drums with a line array system. Drum EQ is a little trickier with a line array system, but it is possible to make them sound great. Line arrays will expose a deficient mic more than traditional systems. I use a Shure 91A on the kick and Sennheiser evol on the snare, and two pencil condensers for overheads. If placing line arrays at the back of the stage to use as FOH/monitors, pull the overhead faders down to half of what you normally would.
DA...yeah good stuff you said below. It becomes that point of trying to get the KLA sound with stuff that just isn't KLA size and power lol. PLUS...then if you put the math to it I'd have almost $6 grand into a "small" portable Bose system that might still struggle anyways in the medium rooms. I agree the right way is to either go big or go home lol...either live with a 12" sub and ip2000 kind of sound or bring in the big guns and make it happen. Its just tricky when you get that in betweener where its a packed loud city club or only a 3/4pc Pay room where you don't wanna lug the gear...or don't have the space...or have available parking for truck plus want to get in and out quick. Thats where just being happy with the ip2000 sound and making the best of it come in. Dont get me wrong I LOVE the speakers or I would have returned them...just an is what it is mindset. Kind of have to think of it like a speakers on sticks gig really..but you do get some bass out of the 12's. No regrets here :)
Can I get an opinion from both DA and Eric. I run sound for a traveling Church band. we play in a different church every week. I am currently running 2 Bose L1 Classics (model 1) with the support of a JBL PRX powered 18" sub. I use a X18 Air for simplicity and everything sounds great. Guitar and bass use small amps but I run everything through this system including kick mic and overhead. My issue is that some of these churches are really pushing the limits of my Bose towers (getting red clip light very often). I'm wanting to upgrade my Power/Output. would a pair of the IP1000s or IP2000 be a good upgrade for me to replace the Bose?? I'd probably still use my jbl sub to help with the kick drum..
Lee Brooks Use a pair of iP2000's. You may find that you don't need the JBL sub. Max the iP sub level and set bass eq for +1 or +2 db. Set the overall gain on the iP2000's to +10db. You can ring-out feedback from the system using the XR18's RTA on the main channel. If using the iP2000's behind the band for monitors and FOH, you have feedback potential when driving the speakers hard. Simple solution is to use a Harman GoRack between the XR18 and the iP2000's, and set the XR18 eq flat. GoRacks are now on sale for $29, and are an effective anti-feedback device. The GoRack also gives you a volume knob. This will allow you to set the XR18 main mix at 0 db and control volume from the GoRack. I didn't mention iP2000 Bluetooth speaker linking because I am not a fan. It's reliable but using a phone or tablet is awkward to control volume. Bluetooth connection can get tenuous at over 20 feet apart, and a user may experience a disconnect during a show.
I have a pair of ip2000's and a pair of ip1000's. I also have a pair of Bose L1 Model II's with B2 bass modules. The ip2000 is a Bose killer when eq'ed correctly. Flat eq doesn't is very unflattering for the ip series. For live music, the ip2000 will handle kick and snare drums, but the Bose not so much.
Hey Darryl...good input...if you don't mind me asking again...I have the L1 Model II I use for solo stuff. However was thinking of getting a pair of ip2000 to do 3/4pc small gigs. Ie. Bass, 4pc drum...guitar...3/4 vocs. I was gonna get another Model II...but I'm wondering if the ip2000 will treat me right? Do you DJ or live music? Curious your opinion...thanks man
Eric Grant I would go with a pair of ip2000's over a pair of Bose L1 Model II. I do live music but I also play break music from an ipod so I can appreciate both side of DJ/live music. I recommend +5 db bass, flat mid, and +3 db eq curve for the ip2000. The Bose is more forgiving with feedback so you may have to ring out the ip2000 quickly if placing the systems behind you as monitors/FOH. For the money you save buying the ip2000, buy a Behringer XR18 mixer and use the graphic eq with RTA on the main channel to quickly cut problem frequencies. Set the XR18 main output for unity output, and then adjust ip2000 system volume using the Turbo app on your smartphone. Both ip2000 speakers can be linked by bluetooth, so your Turbo app will control volume on both. The Bose has a warmer sound but Turbosound gives you more control with better bass. I sold my Bose L1 Model II's and I don't regret it. Also, the Turbosounds can get much louder than the Bose.
Darryl, thank you for the comments. I've searched high and low for seeing if anyone is using a pair of these as a band PA. My drummer told me that he's played with the Bose L1s and they were fantastic but cost prohibitive. I was originally thinking about 2 12" powered speakers on top of 15" powered sub and all run through the XAIR-16 and then mic everything (or direct input). My budget for the speakers was 400 each on the top and 700 on the bottoms. Then I saw this system and thought it looked pretty good. All the reviews say it's awesome. How loud can it get and do you still need monitors? Any insight is greatly appreciated.
Mark Douglass The iP2000's are rated 125 spl, which is plenty loud. It is a lot easier to get those sound pressure levels when speakers are placed in front of the band or DJ mics. When placed behind the band to use as both FOH and monitors, you have to resolve feedback and speaker placement issues in order to 'get loud'. The best speaker placement is slightly behind you and to the side, so your ears are picking up the edge of the 120 degree horizontal dispersion. The more you minimize mics being out of speaker dispersion pattern, the more you can minimize feedback and maximize SPL.
Hello! Thanks For the Review, i have the Tourbosound ip1000 v2, i use my Tourbosound ip1000 for live band plus drum hookup, with all the instruments hookup to the tourbosound ip1000, i love the easy setups, sounds awesome, takes the punishment of all equipment plus the Voice, in my view point Bose are far the best but for a guy like me with low income this Tourbosound ip100 v2 works and sound just as great as the Bose, with no feedbacks, no hassle of over over powering each others sounds, with the Peavey pv10bt i love my Tourbosound ip1000v2, if i had the income i would get the bose but this well do for the band i havem Thank You Much for the Review, Your Awesomw!!! God Bless
Really good information. Liking the 1000 personally. I'm a 48 year old wedding DJ seeking to lighten my load and speed my setup without sacrificing quality. 2 of those 1000's look like they'd do the trick. Would want to put something on the woofer to keep idiots from setting drinks on them though. Can you see the readout in direct sunlight?
Thanks for review! They sound great, but I wish the 2000s has a handle & wheels like the Evox 12s. It will make life a little easier. How do you like the bass response on the units? Thanks again!
Hi Joel, The bass response has been fine for my needs. I play all genres of music as a wedding/party DJ. For small events less than 100, I only use one ip1000. There have been no complaints so far.
It was close but I went for the bose compact for the extra $300. The ip1000 has that little control screen in the back..very hard to deal with but for those who are still interested, theres an app you can get to a ipad or phone to control the volume,e.q. etc from the app just like the big money systems...I use the tonematch for the compact...if only the bose had the tablet app...now youre talkin! Lol...good luck all. Barry singer, comedian, impressionist NYC.
My biggest question is does the 2000 sub fit in a trunk in a car? That would be the ultimate selling point for me! Would you say there is a very noticeable difference in the low end "thump" between the 1000 and 2000? If I were using these for wedding receptions under 100 people would the 1000s be a viable option?
DJ Fayze DJ'ing wedding receptions under 100 people with the iP1000? Perfect! Fitting a iP2000 sub in a car trunk would be cumbersome. Room size has a lot to do with how much thump you need to bring.
I have one Ip2000 bought. If im doing guitar and tracks how do i eq it.and a I do dj new and old stuff after guitar gig. What for guitar tracks and Would I use the club preset dj or what does people recomend. Last question. How many people will one system cater for. Im in Ireland. Thanks in advance
Sir i know this video was made 6y ago i have a question does the ip2000 column plays on the ip1000 sub? I got my column stolen luckily they dint stole my sub but now am stuck with the sub a guy is selling an ip2000 column am wondering if i can use that on my ip1000 sub hope you still have them or anybody here that could help me on that
as I keep saying this is not a professional rig, this is a boys and girls toy that will have problems like cutting out (as my one has done for 5 minutes) and also casing comes loose and rattles that is a huge no no. okay so now I know, I learned the hard way but I will know what to say to people in future, this is the bose stick story all over again, thats a shame turbo sound, or should I say Berringer?
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All your points are valid as we age. The lifting of heavy weight will put a lot of wear and tear on the body over time. Today's DJ's have a lot of good options . I'm really leaning toward the ip1000's . Thank you :)
Glad to help. I still gig with my ip1000's.
Hey guys...been watching this thread and thought Id pipe in on my personal experience with both Bose and the ip's. I have the L1 Model 2's and thanks to Darryl lol went for it and bought a pair of ip2000's. Honestly I love them both in different ways. The Bose system I thought id sell after I got the ip's and here I am still with it...just can't part with the Bose. 1 I already own it...and 2 there is nothing else like the sound. However I use the Bose for solo acoustic...having said that I have used the Bose also outdoors for a 3pc with drums bass and guit and just run vocs through it and it rips! BUT...if you run more than vocs in it and crank it...it chokes! It almost begins to compress and squash the sound when I put say Keys...Acoustic...bass and some vocs all in it. Too much...but just vocs and acoustic...awseome. Also the Bose rocks not only 180 degrees but also weather you are sitting down as a listener or standing up. Great dispersion. NOW...ip's...If you have nothing to start with...you can not beat the price and sound of the ip's!! If I didn't have my Bose I would have bought an ip2000 and never spent 3 grand for the model 2 ever. Just crazy money. Like most have said the ip's are SOLID and have plenty of head room. I have used these for acoustic solo/duo as well as for full band 4pc bass drum guitar vocs and backing tracks. As most have said you have to work the eq of which(again thanks to DA lol) I bought an xr18 and then push the EQ on each channel and it sounds GREAT!! The ip's will handle more input then the Bose with more insturmentaion plus vocs..but again has its limits to where it begins to get overwhelmed. I have run both drums as a band and acoustic...big room and small rooms. Naturally the best was with vdrums...bass...direct guitar and vocs all in it and sounded like the CD! Awesome. When I do bigger rooms I pull out the guitar and bass and run just vocs with a kick mic and does awesome. I guess you just have to pick your battles with the both systems. They are NOT a full PA...when I want big thats when I roll the band truck and set up the QSC KLA's and give it hell. But obviously can expect that big sound from small gear. So bottom line for vocal performance and acoustic...both rock...ip's blow away Bose for $$ value to performance ratio and average listener...but for the extreme most amazing sound I LOVE my bose and probably won't sell it soon lol...might even experiment and buy the bigger subs and another stack to really see what it does and if its worth it. Sorry for the novel hope this helps other muse's before spending their hard earned $$ Best to all... -e-
Eric Grant At one time, I had Bose L1 Model II's on each side, with each L1 having double B2 bass modules. The sound was fantastic when everything went direct through a Behringer X32 rack. The sound was loud but not full PA compared to QSC KLA's. When hauling 2 Bose L1's and 4 Bose B2 bass modules, the system is no longer portable, and cartage is worse than a traditional main/sub system. My advice - don't buy another Bose stack and additional B2 bass modules. Sell your Bose while you can still get a good price.
Eric Grant Don't give up on using acoustic drums with a line array system. Drum EQ is a little trickier with a line array system, but it is possible to make them sound great. Line arrays will expose a deficient mic more than traditional systems. I use a Shure 91A on the kick and Sennheiser evol on the snare, and two pencil condensers for overheads. If placing line arrays at the back of the stage to use as FOH/monitors, pull the overhead faders down to half of what you normally would.
DA...yeah good stuff you said below. It becomes that point of trying to get the KLA sound with stuff that just isn't KLA size and power lol. PLUS...then if you put the math to it I'd have almost $6 grand into a "small" portable Bose system that might still struggle anyways in the medium rooms. I agree the right way is to either go big or go home lol...either live with a 12" sub and ip2000 kind of sound or bring in the big guns and make it happen. Its just tricky when you get that in betweener where its a packed loud city club or only a 3/4pc Pay room where you don't wanna lug the gear...or don't have the space...or have available parking for truck plus want to get in and out quick. Thats where just being happy with the ip2000 sound and making the best of it come in. Dont get me wrong I LOVE the speakers or I would have returned them...just an is what it is mindset. Kind of have to think of it like a speakers on sticks gig really..but you do get some bass out of the 12's. No regrets here :)
Can I get an opinion from both DA and Eric. I run sound for a traveling Church band. we play in a different church every week. I am currently running 2 Bose L1 Classics (model 1) with the support of a JBL PRX powered 18" sub. I use a X18 Air for simplicity and everything sounds great. Guitar and bass use small amps but I run everything through this system including kick mic and overhead. My issue is that some of these churches are really pushing the limits of my Bose towers (getting red clip light very often). I'm wanting to upgrade my Power/Output. would a pair of the IP1000s or IP2000 be a good upgrade for me to replace the Bose?? I'd probably still use my jbl sub to help with the kick drum..
Lee Brooks Use a pair of iP2000's. You may find that you don't need the JBL sub. Max the iP sub level and set bass eq for +1 or +2 db. Set the overall gain on the iP2000's to +10db. You can ring-out feedback from the system using the XR18's RTA on the main channel. If using the iP2000's behind the band for monitors and FOH, you have feedback potential when driving the speakers hard. Simple solution is to use a Harman GoRack between the XR18 and the iP2000's, and set the XR18 eq flat. GoRacks are now on sale for $29, and are an effective anti-feedback device. The GoRack also gives you a volume knob. This will allow you to set the XR18 main mix at 0 db and control volume from the GoRack. I didn't mention iP2000 Bluetooth speaker linking because I am not a fan. It's reliable but using a phone or tablet is awkward to control volume. Bluetooth connection can get tenuous at over 20 feet apart, and a user may experience a disconnect during a show.
I have a pair of ip2000's and a pair of ip1000's. I also have a pair of Bose L1 Model II's with B2 bass modules. The ip2000 is a Bose killer when eq'ed correctly. Flat eq doesn't is very unflattering for the ip series. For live music, the ip2000 will handle kick and snare drums, but the Bose not so much.
Hey Darryl...good input...if you don't mind me asking again...I have the L1 Model II I use for solo stuff. However was thinking of getting a pair of ip2000 to do 3/4pc small gigs. Ie. Bass, 4pc drum...guitar...3/4 vocs. I was gonna get another Model II...but I'm wondering if the ip2000 will treat me right? Do you DJ or live music? Curious your opinion...thanks man
Eric Grant I would go with a pair of ip2000's over a pair of Bose L1 Model II. I do live music but I also play break music from an ipod so I can appreciate both side of DJ/live music. I recommend +5 db bass, flat mid, and +3 db eq curve for the ip2000. The Bose is more forgiving with feedback so you may have to ring out the ip2000 quickly if placing the systems behind you as monitors/FOH. For the money you save buying the ip2000, buy a Behringer XR18 mixer and use the graphic eq with RTA on the main channel to quickly cut problem frequencies. Set the XR18 main output for unity output, and then adjust ip2000 system volume using the Turbo app on your smartphone. Both ip2000 speakers can be linked by bluetooth, so your Turbo app will control volume on both. The Bose has a warmer sound but Turbosound gives you more control with better bass. I sold my Bose L1 Model II's and I don't regret it. Also, the Turbosounds can get much louder than the Bose.
Darryl, thank you for the comments. I've searched high and low for seeing if anyone is using a pair of these as a band PA.
My drummer told me that he's played with the Bose L1s and they were fantastic but cost prohibitive. I was originally thinking about 2 12" powered speakers on top of 15" powered sub and all run through the XAIR-16 and then mic everything (or direct input). My budget for the speakers was 400 each on the top and 700 on the bottoms. Then I saw this system and thought it looked pretty good.
All the reviews say it's awesome. How loud can it get and do you still need monitors? Any insight is greatly appreciated.
Mark Douglass The iP2000's are rated 125 spl, which is plenty loud. It is a lot easier to get those sound pressure levels when speakers are placed in front of the band or DJ mics. When placed behind the band to use as both FOH and monitors, you have to resolve feedback and speaker placement issues in order to 'get loud'. The best speaker placement is slightly behind you and to the side, so your ears are picking up the edge of the 120 degree horizontal dispersion. The more you minimize mics being out of speaker dispersion pattern, the more you can minimize feedback and maximize SPL.
Darryl Armistead they really are rated at 125 max spl? Also I was wondering if you knew where they are crossed over at?
Hello! Thanks For the Review, i have the Tourbosound ip1000 v2, i use my Tourbosound ip1000 for live band plus drum hookup, with all the instruments hookup to the tourbosound ip1000, i love the easy setups, sounds awesome, takes the punishment of all equipment plus the Voice, in my view point Bose are far the best but for a guy like me with low income this Tourbosound ip100 v2 works and sound just as great as the Bose, with no feedbacks, no hassle of over over powering each others sounds, with the Peavey pv10bt i love my Tourbosound ip1000v2, if i had the income i would get the bose but this well do for the band i havem Thank You Much for the Review, Your Awesomw!!! God Bless
Really good information. Liking the 1000 personally. I'm a 48 year old wedding DJ seeking to lighten my load and speed my setup without sacrificing quality. 2 of those 1000's look like they'd do the trick. Would want to put something on the woofer to keep idiots from setting drinks on them though. Can you see the readout in direct sunlight?
Hi Neil, yes you can see the display in the sun. I hope that helps.
Thanks for review! They sound great, but I wish the 2000s has a handle & wheels like the Evox 12s. It will make life a little easier. How do you like the bass response on the units? Thanks again!
Hi Joel, The bass response has been fine for my needs. I play all genres of music as a wedding/party DJ. For small events less than 100, I only use one ip1000. There have been no complaints so far.
It was close but I went for the bose compact for the extra $300. The ip1000 has that little control screen in the back..very hard to deal with but for those who are still interested, theres an app you can get to a ipad or phone to control the volume,e.q. etc from the app just like the big money systems...I use the tonematch for the compact...if only the bose had the tablet app...now youre talkin! Lol...good luck all. Barry singer, comedian, impressionist NYC.
Nice review, Marcus. Thank you. I will stick with my Evox system.
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I have two of the ip1000s in lay away! getting them out next week!
Man that's a beautiful set 😎
do you think that the 1000 has enough bass for small venues? I'm looking to get a 1000 soon I really fell in love with them!
Yes, the ip1000 has enough bass for smaller venues. I use mine all of the time for crowds of up to 120.
You could do the 1000s and add a 12 inch sub to !
I just wanna get out of my tuxedo! LOL
My biggest question is does the 2000 sub fit in a trunk in a car? That would be the ultimate selling point for me! Would you say there is a very noticeable difference in the low end "thump" between the 1000 and 2000? If I were using these for wedding receptions under 100 people would the 1000s be a viable option?
DJ Fayze DJ'ing wedding receptions under 100 people with the iP1000? Perfect! Fitting a iP2000 sub in a car trunk would be cumbersome. Room size has a lot to do with how much thump you need to bring.
at the risk of sounding corny or cliche, yes , sound is important, but how did either unit make you feel?
I chose the ip1000.
Marcus, why?
I have one Ip2000 bought. If im doing guitar and tracks how do i eq it.and a I do dj new and old stuff after guitar gig. What for guitar tracks and Would I use the club preset dj or what does people recomend. Last question. How many people will one system cater for. Im in Ireland. Thanks in advance
The ip1000 is very nice. But the design is for hard level flat surfaces only.
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hello sir marcus nice review about the ip2000...can i ask you sir where can i buy the product?thanks.
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Sir i know this video was made 6y ago i have a question does the ip2000 column plays on the ip1000 sub? I got my column stolen luckily they dint stole my sub but now am stuck with the sub a guy is selling an ip2000 column am wondering if i can use that on my ip1000 sub hope you still have them or anybody here that could help me on that
as I keep saying this is not a professional rig, this is a boys and girls toy that will have problems like cutting out (as my one has done for 5 minutes) and also casing comes loose and rattles that is a huge no no. okay so now I know, I learned the hard way but I will know what to say to people in future, this is the bose stick story all over again, thats a shame turbo sound, or should I say Berringer?
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OMG only 799?