Excellent.! Great Teaching... Even Genesis 18:23-26 God does not judge the Righteous with the Wicked. GOD is not mad at those who are washed in his Son's Blood & live in obedience before him. 9-Times the Wrath of GOD is mentioned in Rev. We are not appointed to God's Wrath, here or in Eternity. Also, you have to have the Bride in heaven before they can come back with Christ to fulfill Rev 19:14 Jude 1:14 Zech 14:5 Blessings! 😊 Ken... Watchman in Costa Rica
Christians are going to poop their pants when they realize that there's no pre-tribulation rapture, nor mid trib. Maybe that is why there will be a great falling away... Heaven is coming to Earth. Not us going to heaven. My father's house is on earth! Jesus himself said this, David said this, and so forth. Man was not created for heaven. EARTH people.
There is so many holes in the pre-trip rapture camp. It’s amazing people still believe it. Here’s a few examples: if Jesus comes back for his church to rapture them, and then he comes back again as a second coming, that means he’s coming back twice. Jesus said himself he’s coming again, and every time he says it is singular as an only one time. Secondly, the whole theme of the Bible is “going through.” For example, the Israelites had to go through the desert, Daniel had to go through the lions den, the three Jews had to go through the fire, Noah had to go through the flood“ Paul says in 2 Corinthians 2:8 that they were going through so much tribulation that they thought they were going to die. Why didn’t God rapture them? Christians will always go through tribulation, but will never go through wrath, as Donald Trump would say, that’s a Yyyyeeyuggee difference! And lastly, there’s no such thing as a 7 year tribulation.. Nowhere in the Bible ever doesn’t mention a 7 year tribulation. But it does mention a 3 1/2 year tribulation 5 times in revelation, and one time in the book of Daniel. So if somebody was reading the Bible for the first time , how long would they think the tribulation period would be?
I, for one, believe in the pre-trib rapture. No, Jesus does not come back to the EARTH for His Church. Show me the reference that says that. Jesus comes back in the air for His church and catches them up in the air to be with Him forever. This is not a second coming to the earth. His second coming is at the end of the tribulation. Why God did not rescue those that had to go through the fire, Noah going through the flood, etc. You will have to asked God why he did not rescue them. You need to read my articles on “The Reasons for the Pre-Trib Rapture”. One of those reasons is for the Jewish people. During the tribulation God will have all those that are then rejecting Him killed. Then when the small remainder that are left come to recognize that Christ is their Messiah and accept Him as such, all the remainder will be saved. The tribulation then comes to and end and Christ comes to the earth the SECOND TIME bring his saints, the believers that were caught up just before the tribulation with Him. It would be difficult to bring His saints with Him if he had not already taken them to heaven, which He did just prior to the Tribulation. Lastly, if you don't think the Bible mentions a 7 year tribulation then this means you are not understanding what God told us in His Word. You need to look at Daniel 9:23-27 and his explanation of the 70 weeks. For your information the last week of 7 years is the tribulation. It is my prayer that you look at this again and pray for the Holy Spirit to guide you in your studies.
@soundbibledoctrine2825 Hi Randall. Thanks for responding. I too used to be in the pre-trib rapture camp for decades, but after careful study I changed my view. I have heard many answers and "proof texted" and they are very simple to "debunk." For yours, you said: "Jesus does not come back to the Earth..." You are correct, no reference Biblically. However, your very next sentence says: "Jesus COMES BACK in the air... I've heard: he comes back in the air, comes back essentially, spiritually, invisibly, secretly, etc. So it doesn't matter how you slice it, if he comes back "for his church" he comes back, therefore coming back TWICE. Bible only teaches he comes back once and Jesus said this himself in Rev. 16:15: Behold, I am COMING as a thief..." He said this 13 chapters AFTER the church gets raptured at the end of Rev 3 (according to pre-trib). So he comes as "a thief" twice? That doesn't make sense. Continuing to read the rest of your paragraph, I pretty sure I know what you go through in your articles because I have been studying this for a long time, and I am also familiar your paragraph being typical of the pre-trib rapture view. You wrote: "During the tribulation God will have those that are rejecting him killed." That is partially correct, during the tribulation, Christians die too. If the church was raptured after Rev. 3, please tell me who are these people?: • souls of those slain for the word of God (Rev. 6:9) • fellow servants (Rev. 6:11) • brethren who would be killed (Rev. 6:11) • servants of God (Rev. 7:3) • these who come out of great tribulation and washed their robes (Rev. 7:14) • woman who fled into the wilderness (Rev. 12:6) • rest of her offspring who keep the commandments of God (Rev. 12:17) • saints (Rev. 13:7) • faith of the saints (Rev. 13:10) • patience of the saints (Rev. 14:12) • dead who die in the Lord (Rev. 14:13) • martyrs of Jesus (Rev. 17:6) • my people (Rev. 18:4) • apostles and prophets (Rev. 18:20)
The common answer are that those are the ones that are "left behind" that came to Christ after the rapture. 1) Show me the verse that says that and 2) per your answer above, does this look like a "small remainder?" This is a lot - a TON (a great multitude) of people. You said: "It would be difficult to bring His saints with Him if he had not already taken them to heaven, which He did just prior to the Tribulation." Difficult?" We're talking about God here... I don't see any difficulty in God doing anything, I don't know what you mean by that. I think Daniel 9:23-27 is marked up in my bible as much as the entire book of Revelation! 😊Let me give you my view on that to explain why there is no 7 year tribulation (and a few other excellent points): Dan 9:23-24 mentions the 70 weeks (the 490 years I'm sure you are aware of). But it also mentions "To finish the transgression, to make an end of sins, to make reconciliation for iniquity,..." this is Jesus dying on the cross for us sinners. Now the pretirb rapture camp but an end to the 70 weeks (490 years) at Jesus' triumphal entry on palm Sunday when he was "anointed." The go as far to say The prophecy was fulfilled "to the exact day." There are two serious problems with this view: 1) Jesus was not anointed at his entry, he was anointed at his baptism. When he asked his disciples "who do you say I am" in Matt 16:15, they said "you are the CHRIST (some versions say the Messiah or the Son of God). Remember the woman at the well? I paraphrase: she said "when the Messiah comes he will tell us everything." And what did Jesus say? I who will be anointed at my triumphal entry am he? Of course not! He said I WHO AM speaking to you AM HE. So either Jesus is a lair, or the pretrib camp has some issues. I'm going with the latter. The second more serious problem is the math. If the 70 weeks, the 490 years, end at Jesus' entry, where's the cross? According to Daniels prophecy, the "end of sins, reconciliation for iniquity" ends at the cross as the final sacrifice, isn't included in the 490 years (the 70 weeks), so Daniels prophecy isn't fulfilled! You need to include the cross in the 70 weeks, this is why the 490 years hasn't ended yet, it ends when Jesus comes back to set up his kingdom. And lastly, Daniel 9:27 says: "Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. The pretrib rapture camp says this is Satan and he makes a peace treaty and breaks it in the middle of the week during the last half of the 7 year tribulation. First, we need to know who is the mysterious "HE?" There is no mention of Satan in this passage. The pretrib camp says Satan was mentioned however back in Daniel Chapter 7. Chapter 7? We are now in Chapter 9, how does that make sense? When you have time, Google the "antecedent rule." A pronoun (He) has to point to a noun. One verse back, the most logical nouns are either Jesus (who was cut off vs. 26,) or "the prince of the people" (I believe at that time it was Titus). Therefore, since Titus didn't die for our sins, our only other option is Jesus, NOT Satan. This is WHY there is no 7 year tribulation period. Jesus was "cut off" in the middle of the week. Do you know how long Jesus' ministry was? From Baptism to cross, it was about 3 1/2 years! This is why Revelation only has a 3 1/2 tribulation period (Matt 24:22) because Jesus fullfed the first half of this prophecy. Just a little friendly debate. Doesn't what I explained make more sense? I don't expect you to agree with me, but at minimum I hope you found it an enjoyable read and I would enjoy hearing your response. Have a great day Randall.
I disagree with most of your post. Yes, Jesus comes back 2 times to earth But one time in the AIR. Again he comes in the air just prior to the Tribulation and he comes back to the earth at the end of the tribulation. Out of the seventy weeks that Daniel taught the last 7 week of years are mainly for the Jews and even though most of the are killed there is a remnant left that accepts Jesus as their Messiah and get saved. It is then that Jesus comes back to the earth and this is His Second time. Thanks for your information but I believe in the pre-trib rapture.
@@soundbibledoctrine2825 Hi Randall. Well, of course you have every right to disagree. I believe the remnant Jews you are talking about are the 144,000, but that has nothing to do with Daniel or the weeks (from what I can see). The problem I see mostly with the pre-trib camp is "eisegesis" rather than "exegesis." It seems as though "reading in" to bible passages (eisegesis) seems easier than exegesis, taking out the true meaning of the passage. It's been that way for decades when it comes to rapture study. My concern is this: during the tribulation many of our brethren who were counting on the rapture to take place before the arrival of the Antichrist now find themselves spiritually ill-equipped to bear the enormous pressure about to be put upon them. Many Christians will weaken in their faith and start to fall away from the love of Christ (Rev 12). God will sustain many “other” believers during this time (the woman in the wilderness Revelation 12), but Satan will go after the weak (the offspring, Rev 12) who we believe were the more “carnal” lukewarm Christians that will eventually may take the mark of the beast under this unbearable pressure. Remember, Satan will create a delusion upon mankind (2 Thessalonians 2:9). Many in the pre-trib camp think this delusion is the increase in UFO sightings and that world governments may use as an excuse for the disappearance/abduction of millions (which I think is ridiculous). A more powerful (and logical) delusion is the false hope in a pre-trib rapture turning the souls of many Christians away from the truth - which I believe Paul also wrote in Thessalians intentionally for this very reason. Pastors, church leaders, radio commentators, popular evangelists etc. who should have been preparing believers to lay down their lives, if necessary, but opted instead to promise a means of escape that never materialized. Teach carefully Randall. God bless.
@@Kman. Hey Kman. Semantics? This isn't rocket science, it's just reading the passages correctly with exegesis rather than eisegesis. Unfounded? In fact, your rebuttal to my examples is an excellent example of eisegesis which is why I disagree. Although Noah may have been "high and lifted up," why stop there? That's called "proof texting" - pulling one verse out of context and building a whole theology around it. Read the entire paragraph: The waters increased and lifted up the ark, and it rose high above the earth. 18 The waters prevailed and greatly increased on the earth, and the ark moved about on the surface of the waters. 19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly on the earth, and all the high hills under the whole heaven were covered. 20 The waters prevailed fifteen cubits upward, and the mountains were covered. 21 And all flesh died that moved on the earth: birds and cattle and beasts and every creeping thing that creeps on the earth, and every man. 22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of the spirit of life, all that was on the dry land, died. 23 So He destroyed all living things which were on the face of the ground: both man and cattle, creeping thing and bird of the air. They were destroyed from the earth. Only Noah and those who were with him in the ark remained alive. 24 And the waters prevailed on the earth one hundred and fifty days... So, with all that above, are you telling me Noah was on a cruise ship zipping on his bottle of wine he would get drunk on later? No man, this was bad... real bad... in fact the BAD People were taken away, not Noah. Call it want you want, tribulation, a storm, hell on earth, end of the world, really bad stuff...it doesn't matter. While Noah was lifted up and down., WHAT was he GOING THROUGH for 40 days and 40 nights? If you're still not convinced, the example I gave Randall of what Paul wrote in 2 Corinthians 2:8: that they were going through so much tribulation that they thought they were GOING TO DIE. Why didn’t God rapture them? You are correct, these are not examples, but it is a "THEME" that we see in the Bible over and over again. Secondly, you pointed to Reve 3:10: "we are kept FROM... You are correct, SOME Christians will die as martyrs, but others will be spared (ENTIRE Chapter of Rev 12). Below is how you interpret Rev 3:10 correctly. Open your bible, follow along and please, let me know if I am in error: “Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will KEEP YOU FROM the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.” Most consider this verse to be the strongest support text to a Pre-tribulation or Mid-tribulation rapture. God promises to keep the Church from the "hour of trial" which shall come upon the whole world. The logic suggests that to keep the Church from this hour, she must therefore be raptured away before the trial (tribulation) begins. There are two problems with this line of thinking: The first is that this verse was specifically written to the church in Philadelphia, which did in fact undergo an hour of trial during the ten historical waves of Roman persecution throughout the first century. Many in the church at Philadelphia died from that persecution, but the church still managed to get through that difficult season. To suggest the removal of the entire body of Christ from a future antichristal persecution, when the very church to whom the promise was given was not removed, but endured severe persecution, seems highly irregular! The second more perplexing problem addresses the choice of the Greek word, "tereo," interpreted "to keep": “I also will keep (Gk. “tereo”) you from the hour of trial...” (Rev 3:10). If John intended to communicate a removal from the trial, he would have used the Greek word "airo," translated elsewhere as "take out or remove." Instead, he uses the word “tereo,” which means “to keep”-not remove! Both Greek words actually present themselves next to each other in Jn. 17:15, where John, the same author who wrote Rev. 3:10, writes, "I do not pray that You should ‘take them out’ (Gk. “airo”-to remove) of this world, but that You should 'keep' (Gk. “tereo”-to keep) them from the evil one" (Jn. 17:15). Since John wrote both the Revelation and the Gospel of John, he was well familiar with both Greek words and their proper usage. Had John promised the church at Philadelphia some type of literal "removal" he would have used the Greek word "airo" (take out) rather than "tereo" (keep). Jesus' very prayer in John 17 echoes the same theme-"I DO NOT pray that You should TAKE THEM OUT of this world, but that You should keep them from the evil one." Why would God suddenly change one of His timeless principles that transcends both Old and New Testaments? Therefore, both these passages are consistent because if John was suggesting the removal of the church, the rapture before the tribulation, he would be contradicting Jesus in John 17:5. So rather than "remove the Church,” Jesus promised to keep or “preserve” the church during the difficult days ahead. To preserve doesn’t mean that souls wouldn’t die during the persecution, but that the Church would get through it victoriously without compromise. I hope that helps. Let me know your thoughts.
Thank you so much for this video!🙌🏼 Yes, the preTribulation rapture teaching is greatly under attack right now. It’s funny they don’t have a problem with believing a Mid-Trib rapture. Only PreTrib. Just as long as Church Age Christian experience Gods wrath. Those that want to jump on the popular false doctrine of Covenant Theology bandwagon, which believes in Amillennialism, attack the rapture because like you mentioned, they allegorize eschatology. It’s interesting that it’s *only* eschatology they allegorize. Satan doesn’t want us watching for Christ. 2 Peter 1:20-21 *specifically* says Prophecy is not up for private interpretation and that’s what they do. They read into scripture what isn’t there. That’s eisegesis. The only way to believe the rapture was “invented” in the 1800s is by not studying the Bible & relying solely on the hermeneutics of Covenant Theology. Because anyone that will just read it will see the rapture is spoken of throughout the New Testament and alluded to in the Old (Isaiah 26:20). Pastor David Reagan and Pastor Andy Woods have very detailed lectures on TH-cam illustrating the timeline of Amillennialism and the 1st century church fathers that took the Bible literal unless it said not to. Because the Bible will interpret itself. Lee Brainard has written a couple books on early church writings on Dispensationalism & God having plans for Israel in the last days. He references the ones you do plus more. Ephraem’s preTrib stance that you cited can be read online. “Sermon On the Last Times, the AntiChrist, and the End of the World.” His quote is found in Section 2, (For all saints & elect of God are gathered, prior to the Tribulation that is to come…) Section 10 talks about the Antichrist being a man. They didn’t spiritualize the AntiChrist into a metaphor for sin. He’s a man. God Bless and keep speaking the truth for those seeking it! 🎺☁️
If it's 100% Biblical, please show me where! I don't see anywhere in the Bible! Every scripture used correlates with the second coming Jesus describes but I see no scripture on the chaos that the "rapture" is supposed to bring! I do see Jesus promising tribulation, however nowhere in the scriptures do I see a promise of no tribulation! It will be a surprise to those that aren't paying attention, Explain that please! I'm waiting!
Shortly after the rapture we have the seven year tribulation and the last 3 ½ years is called The Great Tribulation. Matthew 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. Revelation 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. The seven year tribulation, which comes after the rapture, is a future period of seven years when God will judge the world for its sin and rebellion. It will be a time of unprecedented calamity, suffering, and destruction. According to the Bible, some of the events that will happen during the Great Tribulation are: The rise of the Antichrist, a global leader who will oppose God and deceive many people. He will make a covenant with Israel, but break it after three and a half years. He will demand worship and persecute those who refuse to take his mark1 The opening of the seven seals, which will unleash wars, famines, plagues, natural disasters, and martyrdom2 The sounding of the seven trumpets, which will bring more judgments, such as hail, fire, blood, darkness, locusts, and earthquakes3 The pouring out of the seven bowls, which will be the final and most severe plagues, such as sores, seas turning to blood, scorching heat, darkness, drought, and hailstones4 The invasion of Israel by a coalition of nations led by the Antichrist. This will culminate in the Battle of Armageddon, where Jesus Christ will return with his angels and saints to defeat his enemies and rescue his people. The purpose of the Great Tribulation is not only to punish the wicked, but also to redeem the faithful. Many people will turn to God and accept Jesus as their Savior during this time, especially among the Jewish people, who will recognize him as their Messiah. God will also fulfill his promises and covenants with Israel, and prepare the world for his kingdom. The Great Tribulation is a sobering and frightening topic, but also a hopeful one for those who belong to Christ. The Bible assures us that God is in control of history, and that he will deliver his people from the wrath to come. He also invites us to repent of our sins and trust in his grace, so that we can escape the coming judgment and enter his eternal glory. 1: The Great Tribulation: What, When, Who and Why 2: Revelation 6 3: Revelation 8-9 4: Revelation 16 : Revelation 19 : What Do We Know about the Tribulation? : Romans 11:25-36 : 1 Thessalonians 1:10 : Revelation 22:17 Also see: www.biblestudyproject.org/bible-study-library/the-future-the-afterworld-and-eternity/the-rapture/
@@soundbibledoctrine2825 Amen! We've always had our eyes on Israel, GOD'S "end times clock" so to speak, not so much on the feasts. It seems like the rapture is right around the corner. Blessings from Canada💟
@@soundbibledoctrine2825 Still haven't convinced me that there is a "rapture" before the tribulation! Revelation 20 puts those that refuse the Mark of the Beast in the first resurrection! Explain why the resurrection is pretrib when martyrs from it are included in it!
If the resurrection of ALL the dead of both the just and the unjust will precede the Last Judgement.Then how can the dead in Christ rise at the Rapture. Does this mean the dead in Christ will have to rise at the Rapture and again at the Last Judgement.
The resurrection of the just and unjust does not precede the Great White Throne Judgment. All the just or righteous that are saved have already been taken to heaven. It is only the unjust or the unrighteous that are dead and are resurrected to be at this judgment. The Great White Throne Judgment Subjects: The lost, the wicked dead of all ages, Revelation 20:11-15. Time: This judgment takes place shortly after the millennium, but before the eternal state of the new heavens and earth mentioned in Revelation 20:10-11; Revelation 21:1 Place: Before The Great White Throne, Revelation 20:11. Result: Those not found written in the book of life will be cast into the lake of fire, Revelation 20:15. The believers have already been resurrected and taken to heaven, so it is now the dead, the unsaved, that stand before the Great White Judgment Throne. God has already removed Satan and His angels, Revelation 20:10. Then the unbelieving dead are resurrected and stand before the throne, Revelation 20:12-13. The unbelieving dead did not accept Christ's payment for their sins so now must be judged by their works. There will be many who did good works and claim they should get into heaven because of their works, Matthew 7:21. We also see in that verse they will claim they should be able to enter into heaven but Christ will not allow them to enter. Then in Matthew 7:22 we see that they claimed good works to get into heaven. Good works do not get us into heaven. Ephesians 2:8-9 tells us that we are saved by grace through faith and not by works. But if we are saved we are created unto good works, Ephesians 2:10. Jesus paid the price for our sins by being judged for our sins. His righteousness is imputed to each one that accepts Christ. But those who do not accept Christ have only their works so then they will be judged out of the books of their works, and if they have violated even one commandment, they will be cast into the lake of fire, Revelation 20:12-15. There is no mention of even one person, at this judgment, having their name written in the book of life. Therefore, they will be judged according to how their works stand up to the Ten Commandments, and if they have violated even one of these commandments, they are guilty of violating all of them, James 2:10. How many of all mankind have sinned? All of mankind has sinned, Romans 3:23. So what is the penalty for violating one of these commandments? Romans 6:23 says the wages of sin is death. The death mentioned here refers to the second death, which is eternal separation from God in a lake of fire, Revelation 21:8; John 3:18. Death comes first and then the judgment, Hebrews 9:27, so since the eternal destiny is fixed at death, the Great White Throne judgment is also for degrees of punishment. In Luke 12:47-48 Jesus tells us that the one that knew God's will and did not do it shall be beaten with many stripes. On the other hand, those that did not know God's will and did not do it shall be beaten with a few stripes. Thus indicating that there are degrees of punishment. We also see in Luke 20:46-47 that the scribes mentioned there would receive a greater condemnation, indicating there are degrees of punishment. Degrees of punishment can also be seen in Matthew 11:22-24 where Jesus tells the cities of Chorazin and Bethsaida that it would be more tolerable on the day of judgment for Tyre and Sidon than for them. On down in verse 24 we see Jesus speaking of those in Capernaum saying that in the day of judgment it would be more tolerable for the land of Sodom. Degrees of punishment are shown in many more places throughout the Bible. At this final judgment no one will be able to say that God did not treat them fairly. All mankind will be able to see that God gave everyone a chance and that each of us made our own decision as to our eternal destiny, Romans 3:19; Colossians 3:22-25.
In ACTS 24 - 15 states that ALL people, both the good and the bad will rise from death. No mention of a separate resurrection for the good. John 5 28-29 - states the time is coming when All the dead will hear his voice and come out of their graves - Those who have done good will rise and live and those have have done evil will rise and be condemned. No mention of a separate resurrection of the good,
2 Thessalonians 2: 1, ¶ Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,1 2, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3, ¶ Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4, Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5, Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6, And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 7, For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 8, And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9, Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11, And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12, That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. So, according to you the man of sin has been revealed. I missed that somehow. Could you tell me who this man of sin is that has already been revealed? But that is not what I see in verse 3. Nor do I find anyone that sitteth in the Temple of God shewing himself that he is God mentioned in verse 4. etc.
@@soundbibledoctrine2825 right, we also havent been gathered to Christ. I think you might have misunderstood what i was saying :) here is the order; falling away and antichrist being revealed. And yes you are correct, he will sit in the temple claiming to be God. Daniel goes over that as well with more detail. And after those events, we will be gathered to Christ. Any other order is a deception. Or rather when people say we will be gathered to Christ first and then the antichrist be revealed; then they are deceived. Because Paul says dont be deceived by that. Also also i wasnt saying the man of sin has been revealed, im saying the pretrib rapture says that the saints are gathered to Christ then the antichrist is revealed. Thats not true. We will be gathered to Christ after the antichrist is revealed. Not saying he has been revealed
@@Kman. that day is in the first part. 2 Thessalonians 2:1-2 (KJV) Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Verse 1 and 2 is talking about the same exact thing. The day has been defined. 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 (KJV) Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. You must be led of the Holy Spirit and know Christ. He will lead you into allthe Truth. Reread everything. He said i speak to you concerning Jesus Christ and our gathering unto Him and then goes on to speak about things pertaining to that. Make yourself a fool so He will make you wise. Verse 1 and 2 are one sentence... so it is talking about Christ coming back to get the saints.
In Paul's letter he isn't saying the Thessalonians thought they received a letter from Paul saying the rapture had taken place but that they thought they had received a letter from Paul saying the "day of Lord" had begun. Then Paul continues with let no one deceive you for that day (day of the Lord) will not come unless the rebellion comes first and the man of lawlessness is revealed.
Okay with how ever God wants to do it but I do not see a definitive statement saying we will be raptured out before the great tribulation by JESUS or any of the disciples and yet people get mad when you challenge it
I don't get mad at anyone that disagrees. Unfortunately, few if any that don't believe it ever give any Bible references to support their claims. However, you might also look at my videos on "The Reasons For The Pre-Trib Rapture"
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I have just seen another video where the scripture in Thessalonians that says that the dead will rise first is cited as the rapture. But there is one scripture that some people seem to ignore. In Revelation 20 it says that in the first resurrection will be those who have gone through the tribulation.
The resurrection mentioned in Revelation 20:5-6 occurs at the end of the Millennial reign just before the new heavens and new earth. These are the people that were saved during the tribulation since all the church age believers were all caught up in Thessalonians as you mentioned.
@@soundbibledoctrine2825 Revelation 20:4 states that those who died in the tribulation and hadn't worshipped the beast and didn't receive the mark "They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years ".
@jesusiscoming8237 You put all the verses together and the 6th seal seems like the spot for the rapture. After the signs in the sun, moon, and stars. On the day of Vengeance which commences with flaming fire from heaven. Luke 17:29-30 2nd Thessalonians 1:6-10 Revelation 6:12- 7:9 'fire from heaven' just after this in Revelation 8:4-7. Psalm 76:7-10 "Who is able to stand?" Revelation 6:17, 7:9, Luke 21:36 Signs in sun, moon, and stars and then a gathering of the elect, a deliverance, a rest, or redemption. Matthew 24:29-31 Joel 2:31-32 Luke 21:25-28 Mark 13:24-27 1st Thessalonians 4:13 - 5:3 "The Day of the Lord" is mentioned just two verses after the most famous resurrection and rapture passage in the Bible after Paul says "concerning the times and the seasons." The times and seasons of what? What was just being talked about? And why mention the Day of the Lord in conjunction with the resurrection and rapture unless they are connected? What is the Day of the Lord? Isaiah 13:6-13 Joel 2:10-11
The souls of those that were beheaded are those who lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. This is not a literal resurrection from the grave. There isn't one word said about resurrections of the bodes. It says that he saw the souls or spirits of those living and reigning with Christ, the ones who had been put to death in the body, and their souls were unseen on earth, their souls never ceased to exist. There souls were alive with Christ and they now live in a different existence than they had before. There souls never ceased to exist. As for the rest of the dead that had not been saved, their bodies went to the grave but their soul went hell. Those that were saved and died their bodies had gone to the grave and their soul to heaven. Notice that it says the rest of the dead live not until the end of the thousand years. We are judged at death according to Hebrews 9:27. At the end of the thousand years every person that has died throughout time without Christ has their body in the grave and their soul in hell. At the end of the thousand years all of those that have died throughout time are resurrected and stand before Christ at the Great White Throne Judgment and there they will find out why they are being cast into a lake of fire forever.
Darby certainly did not invent the idea of a pretrib rapture, but he certainly did popularize it and provided a system that made it simple to understand and accept. Darby-style dispensationalism is the real issue, and it is horrific. It adds to, deletes from, and changes plain scripture.
You are certainly correct, Darby did not invent the idea of a pretrib rapture and he did provide a simple system to understand it. If you will look at God's Word closer you will also find that dispensationalism is also correct.
@@soundbibledoctrine2825 I was raised 40 years under dispensationalism. It is not biblical at all and has many problems. Not trying to change your mind but don't assume I have not looked "carefully" enough.
I did not post about dispensationalism and I see from your name you are not here to post about the truth but only to make others look like liars. Then I don't listen to people like you because I am capable of studying God's Word for the truth. I am pre-millennial and Dispensational not because of Darby or anyone else but only because that is what God's Word teaches.
@@soundbibledoctrine2825 The word teaches that those who are beheaded in the tribulation for not taking the Mark are part of the first resurrection! How is it those who are alive get raptured if those who are asleep haven't been resurrected yet? Makes no sense if you follow sound doctrine!
Because those of first resurrection are resurrected long after those that were caught up just before the tribulation. So they have been with Jesus for a thousand years or more before that first resurrection you mention.
Here you go bud: The gathering, or snatching away, or the rapture, is clearly written about. No metaphors, just a shallow babbling Brook. 2nd Thessalonians states that "That day" shall not come "Until" a great falling away, "AND" the Lawless one be revealed. This is chapter 2 verse 3 of 2 Thessalonians. Later one in the chapter, it seems to relate to the convergence or change from Lawless One to Anti-Christ. But it is same guy only 3 and 1/2 years later. Revelation chapter 10, verse 7 states when the Church number is completed. Just before the 7th angel sounds. Which we read about In Revelation chapter 11. Revelation chapter 4 and chapter 15 are both a picture of us being on the "Sea of Glass," chapter 4 our arrival, chapter 15 our works judgement. So, everything before chapter 15 is also most everything before chapter 4 also. There are some wrap arounds, because the Seals are the whole seven year period and the trumpets and the bowls are 3 and 1/2 years each half of the seven year period. From chapter 15 on the story is pretty much linear. But portions of chapters 6 and 7 are after chapter 15 as well, being the seals explanation. The first verse of chapter 8 should be the last verse of chapter 7, and chapter 8 should start at verse 2. I believe this BAD chapter division has added to the confusion. The first 3 and 1/2 years the Lawless one is revealed and He sets off to destroy the apostate church, or the whore riding the beasts back. Near the time of the Holy Spirits reduction, at the half way point, a Zealot of the apostate church mortally wounds Him and 3 days later He arises and kills the two Prophets who then are displayed for 3 and 1/2 days, and then they arise and leap into space, as far as those on earth are concerned. That is when we go, FOR NOW comes the Wrath of God. The Bowls Judgement. Seals 5, 6, and 7, and the 7 Bowls. We are not here for that see: Revelation chapter 15. Revelation chapter 12 could be "the Body" of Christ being Born and yes it also came from Israel. The beginning. But just as it is completed it is taken into heaven. Chapters 13 and 14 are events happening in that juxta positional time frame. Chapter 14 verse 13 holds an addendum to the Salvation criterion, in that it is now: If one does not accept the mark and is killed they are saved. Only right after the rapture could that be instated. So, The seals cover the whole 7 year period. The trumpets and bowls are each 3 and 1/2 years of that same time period. first half and second half. After the sixth seal there isn't much left to blow a trumpet at or pour a bowl over.
First of all you need to see my video's on the Reasons For The Pre-Trib Rapture. These videos will answer some of your questions. Matthew 24: 20, But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: 21, For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22, And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. 29, Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30, And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31, And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. Looking at verse 30 it does say they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds. It says the same thing when He comes in the rapture before the tribulation but not everyone will see Him and the church/believers will be caught up to meet him in the air. He does not come to earth, He comes in the air. Looking at verse 31 above believers are not caught up at the second coming, the angels gather them together from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other and this is at His second coming.
Bible say's Jesus returns on the last trump, rises the dead in Christ then gathers the elect who still remain in the air . Then we go w/ Jesus to Armageddon to have victory and live for 1,000 years. then the great white throne judgement, new heaven and earth etc. 144,000 will be sealed during the last 42 month's . These are the elect who have the armor of God and endure to the end !!@@soundbibledoctrine2825
Do the ones that don't believe in a pretriab rapture do they really read the Bible. The Bible clearly let's you know its before the tribulation . This man has already given you enough verses that proves pretriab rapture Paul wrote about it he warned not to believe any gospel that he didn't teach.
It would be absolutely great if you would prove this with some Bible references and not just a blank statement. Pre-tribulation is not only possible it is a Biblical fact. Then maybe you are using amillennialism to twist the Word of God to your liking? I have three videos on "The Reason for the Pre-Tribulation rapture. Please take a look at those and that might help clear things up. Since you believe we are in the Tribulation now then please tell me who the Antichrist is.
@@soundbibledoctrine2825 the Revelation 12 sign - the woman clothed with the sun- is a constellation. It happened in 2017. And eclipses every 6 months since then on feast days. It started 62 weeks plus 7 after Israel became a nation. I believe in a rapture- it’s just at the end. Which is soon. So it doesn’t really matter who is right - we both love the Lord and agree he is coming soon!
If the rapture happens at the end of the tribulation then we have the believers taken up and brought back down at the same time. This, of course, is not possible. At the rapture He does not come to the earth but He comes in the air and all believers are caught up in the air to be with Jesus forever. That is possibly one reason Jesus brings them back to the earth with Him at His second coming at the end of the tribulation.
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Thank you very much for searching GOD'S Holy Word and posting this. Bless you dear brother
Peace to you, friend in Christ. Will we be raptured before or after the revelation of the son of perdition?
Peace and Blessings Brother. All Glory to GOD ALMIGHTY! Praised Be YOU KING JESUS... Hallelujah!
Thanks for your comment. Praise you Jesus. God bless you
Excellent.! Great Teaching... Even Genesis 18:23-26 God does not judge the Righteous with the Wicked. GOD is not mad at those who are washed in his Son's Blood & live in obedience before him. 9-Times the Wrath of GOD is mentioned in Rev. We are not appointed to God's Wrath, here or in Eternity. Also, you have to have the Bride in heaven before they can come back with Christ to fulfill Rev 19:14
Jude 1:14 Zech 14:5 Blessings! 😊
Ken... Watchman in Costa Rica
Peace to you, friend in Christ. Will we be raptured before or after the revelation of the son of perdition?
Christians are going to poop their pants when they realize that there's no pre-tribulation rapture, nor mid trib. Maybe that is why there will be a great falling away... Heaven is coming to Earth. Not us going to heaven. My father's house is on earth! Jesus himself said this, David said this, and so forth. Man was not created for heaven. EARTH people.
There is so many holes in the pre-trip rapture camp. It’s amazing people still believe it.
Here’s a few examples: if Jesus comes back for his church to rapture them, and then he comes back again as a second coming, that means he’s coming back twice. Jesus said himself he’s coming again, and every time he says it is singular as an only one time.
Secondly, the whole theme of the Bible is “going through.” For example, the Israelites had to go through the desert, Daniel had to go through the lions den, the three Jews had to go through the fire, Noah had to go through the flood“
Paul says in 2 Corinthians 2:8 that they were going through so much tribulation that they thought they were going to die. Why didn’t God rapture them?
Christians will always go through tribulation, but will never go through wrath, as Donald Trump would say, that’s a Yyyyeeyuggee difference!
And lastly, there’s no such thing as a 7 year tribulation.. Nowhere in the Bible ever doesn’t mention a 7 year tribulation. But it does mention a 3 1/2 year tribulation 5 times in revelation, and one time in the book of Daniel. So if somebody was reading the Bible for the first time , how long would they think the tribulation period would be?
I, for one, believe in the pre-trib rapture. No, Jesus does not come back to the EARTH for His Church. Show me the reference that says that. Jesus comes back in the air for His church and catches them up in the air to be with Him forever. This is not a second coming to the earth. His second coming is at the end of the tribulation. Why God did not rescue those that had to go through the fire, Noah going through the flood, etc. You will have to asked God why he did not rescue them. You need to read my articles on “The Reasons for the Pre-Trib Rapture”. One of those reasons is for the Jewish people. During the tribulation God will have all those that are then rejecting Him killed. Then when the small remainder that are left come to recognize that Christ is their Messiah and accept Him as such, all the remainder will be saved. The tribulation then comes to and end and Christ comes to the earth the SECOND TIME bring his saints, the believers that were caught up just before the tribulation with Him. It would be difficult to bring His saints with Him if he had not already taken them to heaven, which He did just prior to the Tribulation.
Lastly, if you don't think the Bible mentions a 7 year tribulation then this means you are not understanding what God told us in His Word. You need to look at Daniel 9:23-27 and his explanation of the 70 weeks. For your information the last week of 7 years is the tribulation. It is my prayer that you look at this again and pray for the Holy Spirit to guide you in your studies.
@soundbibledoctrine2825 Hi Randall. Thanks for responding. I too used to be in the pre-trib rapture camp for decades, but after careful study I changed my view. I have heard many answers and "proof texted" and they are very simple to "debunk." For yours, you said: "Jesus does not come back to the Earth..." You are correct, no reference Biblically. However, your very next sentence says: "Jesus COMES BACK in the air... I've heard: he comes back in the air, comes back essentially, spiritually, invisibly, secretly, etc. So it doesn't matter how you slice it, if he comes back "for his church" he comes back, therefore coming back TWICE. Bible only teaches he comes back once and Jesus said this himself in Rev. 16:15: Behold, I am COMING as a thief..." He said this 13 chapters AFTER the church gets raptured at the end of Rev 3 (according to pre-trib). So he comes as "a thief" twice? That doesn't make sense.
Continuing to read the rest of your paragraph, I pretty sure I know what you go through in your articles because I have been studying this for a long time, and I am also familiar your paragraph being typical of the pre-trib rapture view. You wrote: "During the tribulation God will have those that are rejecting him killed." That is partially correct, during the tribulation, Christians die too. If the church was raptured after Rev. 3, please tell me who are these people?:
• souls of those slain for the word of God (Rev. 6:9)
• fellow servants (Rev. 6:11)
• brethren who would be killed (Rev. 6:11)
• servants of God (Rev. 7:3)
• these who come out of great tribulation and washed their robes (Rev. 7:14)
• woman who fled into the wilderness (Rev. 12:6)
• rest of her offspring who keep the commandments of God (Rev. 12:17)
• saints (Rev. 13:7)
• faith of the saints (Rev. 13:10)
• patience of the saints (Rev. 14:12)
• dead who die in the Lord (Rev. 14:13)
• martyrs of Jesus (Rev. 17:6)
• my people (Rev. 18:4)
• apostles and prophets (Rev. 18:20)
The common answer are that those are the ones that are "left behind" that came to Christ after the rapture. 1) Show me the verse that says that and 2) per your answer above, does this look like a "small remainder?" This is a lot - a TON (a great multitude) of people. You said: "It would be difficult to bring His saints with Him if he had not already taken them to heaven, which He did just prior to the Tribulation." Difficult?" We're talking about God here... I don't see any difficulty in God doing anything, I don't know what you mean by that.
I think Daniel 9:23-27 is marked up in my bible as much as the entire book of Revelation! 😊Let me give you my view on that to explain why there is no 7 year tribulation (and a few other excellent points): Dan 9:23-24 mentions the 70 weeks (the 490 years I'm sure you are aware of). But it also mentions "To finish the transgression, to make an end of sins, to make reconciliation for iniquity,..." this is Jesus dying on the cross for us sinners. Now the pretirb rapture camp but an end to the 70 weeks (490 years) at Jesus' triumphal entry on palm Sunday when he was "anointed." The go as far to say The prophecy was fulfilled "to the exact day." There are two serious problems with this view: 1) Jesus was not anointed at his entry, he was anointed at his baptism. When he asked his disciples "who do you say I am" in Matt 16:15, they said "you are the CHRIST (some versions say the Messiah or the Son of God). Remember the woman at the well? I paraphrase: she said "when the Messiah comes he will tell us everything." And what did Jesus say? I who will be anointed at my triumphal entry am he? Of course not! He said I WHO AM speaking to you AM HE. So either Jesus is a lair, or the pretrib camp has some issues. I'm going with the latter.
The second more serious problem is the math. If the 70 weeks, the 490 years, end at Jesus' entry, where's the cross? According to Daniels prophecy, the "end of sins, reconciliation for iniquity" ends at the cross as the final sacrifice, isn't included in the 490 years (the 70 weeks), so Daniels prophecy isn't fulfilled! You need to include the cross in the 70 weeks, this is why the 490 years hasn't ended yet, it ends when Jesus comes back to set up his kingdom.
And lastly, Daniel 9:27 says: "Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. The pretrib rapture camp says this is Satan and he makes a peace treaty and breaks it in the middle of the week during the last half of the 7 year tribulation. First, we need to know who is the mysterious "HE?" There is no mention of Satan in this passage. The pretrib camp says Satan was mentioned however back in Daniel Chapter 7. Chapter 7? We are now in Chapter 9, how does that make sense? When you have time, Google the "antecedent rule." A pronoun (He) has to point to a noun. One verse back, the most logical nouns are either Jesus (who was cut off vs. 26,) or "the prince of the people" (I believe at that time it was Titus). Therefore, since Titus didn't die for our sins, our only other option is Jesus, NOT Satan. This is WHY there is no 7 year tribulation period. Jesus was "cut off" in the middle of the week. Do you know how long Jesus' ministry was? From Baptism to cross, it was about 3 1/2 years! This is why Revelation only has a 3 1/2 tribulation period (Matt 24:22) because Jesus fullfed the first half of this prophecy.
Just a little friendly debate. Doesn't what I explained make more sense? I don't expect you to agree with me, but at minimum I hope you found it an enjoyable read and I would enjoy hearing your response. Have a great day Randall.
I disagree with most of your post. Yes, Jesus comes back 2 times to earth But one time in the AIR. Again he comes in the air just prior to the Tribulation and he comes back to the earth at the end of the tribulation. Out of the seventy weeks that Daniel taught the last 7 week of years are mainly for the Jews and even though most of the are killed there is a remnant left that accepts Jesus as their Messiah and get saved. It is then that Jesus comes back to the earth and this is His Second time. Thanks for your information but I believe in the pre-trib rapture.
@@soundbibledoctrine2825 Hi Randall. Well, of course you have every right to disagree. I believe the remnant Jews you are talking about are the 144,000, but that has nothing to do with Daniel or the weeks (from what I can see). The problem I see mostly with the pre-trib camp is "eisegesis" rather than "exegesis." It seems as though "reading in" to bible passages (eisegesis) seems easier than exegesis, taking out the true meaning of the passage. It's been that way for decades when it comes to rapture study.
My concern is this: during the tribulation many of our brethren who were counting on the rapture to take place before the arrival of the Antichrist now find themselves spiritually ill-equipped to bear the enormous pressure about to be put upon them. Many Christians will weaken in their faith and start to fall away from the love of Christ (Rev 12). God will sustain many “other” believers during this time (the woman in the wilderness Revelation 12), but Satan will go after the weak (the offspring, Rev 12) who we believe were the more “carnal” lukewarm Christians that will eventually may take the mark of the beast under this unbearable pressure. Remember, Satan will create a delusion upon mankind (2 Thessalonians 2:9). Many in the pre-trib camp think this delusion is the increase in UFO sightings and that world governments may use as an excuse for the disappearance/abduction of millions (which I think is ridiculous). A more powerful (and logical) delusion is the false hope in a pre-trib rapture turning the souls of many Christians away from the truth - which I believe Paul also wrote in Thessalians intentionally for this very reason. Pastors, church leaders, radio commentators, popular evangelists etc. who should have been preparing believers to lay down their lives, if necessary, but opted instead to promise a means of escape that never materialized. Teach carefully Randall. God bless.
@@Kman. Hey Kman. Semantics? This isn't rocket science, it's just reading the passages correctly with exegesis rather than eisegesis. Unfounded? In fact, your rebuttal to my examples is an excellent example of eisegesis which is why I disagree. Although Noah may have been "high and lifted up," why stop there? That's called "proof texting" - pulling one verse out of context and building a whole theology around it. Read the entire paragraph: The waters increased and lifted up the ark, and it rose high above the earth. 18 The waters prevailed and greatly increased on the earth, and the ark moved about on the surface of the waters. 19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly on the earth, and all the high hills under the whole heaven were covered. 20 The waters prevailed fifteen cubits upward, and the mountains were covered. 21 And all flesh died that moved on the earth: birds and cattle and beasts and every creeping thing that creeps on the earth, and every man. 22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of the spirit of life, all that was on the dry land, died. 23 So He destroyed all living things which were on the face of the ground: both man and cattle, creeping thing and bird of the air. They were destroyed from the earth. Only Noah and those who were with him in the ark remained alive. 24 And the waters prevailed on the earth one hundred and fifty days...
So, with all that above, are you telling me Noah was on a cruise ship zipping on his bottle of wine he would get drunk on later? No man, this was bad... real bad... in fact the BAD People were taken away, not Noah. Call it want you want, tribulation, a storm, hell on earth, end of the world, really bad stuff...it doesn't matter. While Noah was lifted up and down., WHAT was he GOING THROUGH for 40 days and 40 nights? If you're still not convinced, the example I gave Randall of what Paul wrote in 2 Corinthians 2:8: that they were going through so much tribulation that they thought they were GOING TO DIE. Why didn’t God rapture them? You are correct, these are not examples, but it is a "THEME" that we see in the Bible over and over again.
Secondly, you pointed to Reve 3:10: "we are kept FROM... You are correct, SOME Christians will die as martyrs, but others will be spared (ENTIRE Chapter of Rev 12). Below is how you interpret Rev 3:10 correctly. Open your bible, follow along and please, let me know if I am in error:
“Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will KEEP YOU FROM the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.”
Most consider this verse to be the strongest support text to a Pre-tribulation or Mid-tribulation rapture. God promises to keep the Church from the "hour of trial" which shall come upon the whole world. The logic suggests that to keep the Church from this hour, she must therefore be raptured away before the trial (tribulation) begins. There are two problems with this line of thinking:
The first is that this verse was specifically written to the church in Philadelphia, which did in fact undergo an hour of trial during the ten historical waves of Roman persecution throughout the first century. Many in the church at Philadelphia died from that persecution, but the church still managed to get through that difficult season. To suggest the removal of the entire body of Christ from a future antichristal persecution, when the very church to whom the promise was given was not removed, but endured severe persecution, seems highly irregular!
The second more perplexing problem addresses the choice of the Greek word, "tereo," interpreted "to keep": “I also will keep (Gk. “tereo”) you from the hour of trial...” (Rev 3:10). If John intended to communicate a removal from the trial, he would have used the Greek word "airo," translated elsewhere as "take out or remove." Instead, he uses the word “tereo,” which means “to keep”-not remove!
Both Greek words actually present themselves next to each other in Jn. 17:15, where John, the same author who wrote Rev. 3:10, writes, "I do not pray that You should ‘take them out’ (Gk. “airo”-to remove) of this world, but that You should 'keep' (Gk. “tereo”-to keep) them from the evil one" (Jn. 17:15). Since John wrote both the Revelation and the Gospel of John, he was well familiar with both Greek words and their proper usage. Had John promised the church at Philadelphia some type of literal "removal" he would have used the Greek word "airo" (take out) rather than "tereo" (keep). Jesus' very prayer in John 17 echoes the same theme-"I DO NOT pray that You should TAKE THEM OUT of this world, but that You should keep them from the evil one." Why would God suddenly change one of His timeless principles that transcends both Old and New Testaments?
Therefore, both these passages are consistent because if John was suggesting the removal of the church, the rapture before the tribulation, he would be contradicting Jesus in John 17:5. So rather than "remove the Church,” Jesus promised to keep or “preserve” the church during the difficult days ahead. To preserve doesn’t mean that souls wouldn’t die during the persecution, but that the Church would get through it victoriously without compromise. I hope that helps. Let me know your thoughts.
Thank you so much for this video!🙌🏼
Yes, the preTribulation rapture teaching is greatly under attack right now. It’s funny they don’t have a problem with believing a Mid-Trib rapture. Only PreTrib. Just as long as Church Age Christian experience Gods wrath.
Those that want to jump on the popular false doctrine of Covenant Theology bandwagon, which believes in Amillennialism, attack the rapture because like you mentioned, they allegorize eschatology. It’s interesting that it’s *only* eschatology they allegorize. Satan doesn’t want us watching for Christ.
2 Peter 1:20-21 *specifically* says Prophecy is not up for private interpretation and that’s what they do. They read into scripture what isn’t there. That’s eisegesis.
The only way to believe the rapture was “invented” in the 1800s is by not studying the Bible & relying solely on the hermeneutics of Covenant Theology. Because anyone that will just read it will see the rapture is spoken of throughout the New Testament and alluded to in the Old (Isaiah 26:20).
Pastor David Reagan and Pastor Andy Woods have very detailed lectures on TH-cam illustrating the timeline of Amillennialism and the 1st century church fathers that took the Bible literal unless it said not to. Because the Bible will interpret itself.
Lee Brainard has written a couple books on early church writings on Dispensationalism & God having plans for Israel in the last days. He references the ones you do plus more.
Ephraem’s preTrib stance that you cited can be read online. “Sermon On the Last Times, the AntiChrist, and the End of the World.” His quote is found in Section 2, (For all saints & elect of God are gathered, prior to the Tribulation that is to come…) Section 10 talks about the Antichrist being a man. They didn’t spiritualize the AntiChrist into a metaphor for sin. He’s a man.
God Bless and keep speaking the truth for those seeking it! 🎺☁️
You are wrong, Let no man deceive you !!
Funny you mentioned eisegises. Read my recent comments
Amen, that's very interesting! The pre-Trib rapture is 100% biblical! GOD bless you dear brother in CHRIST!
Yes it is interesting. Thanks for your comment and God bless you
If it's 100% Biblical, please show me where! I don't see anywhere in the Bible! Every scripture used correlates with the second coming Jesus describes but I see no scripture on the chaos that the "rapture" is supposed to bring! I do see Jesus promising tribulation, however nowhere in the scriptures do I see a promise of no tribulation! It will be a surprise to those that aren't paying attention, Explain that please! I'm waiting!
Shortly after the rapture we have the seven year tribulation and the last 3 ½ years is called The Great Tribulation.
Matthew 24:21
For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Revelation 7:14
And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
The seven year tribulation, which comes after the rapture, is a future period of seven years when God will judge the world for its sin and rebellion. It will be a time of unprecedented calamity, suffering, and destruction. According to the Bible, some of the events that will happen during the Great Tribulation are:
The rise of the Antichrist, a global leader who will oppose God and deceive many people. He will make a covenant with Israel, but break it after three and a half years. He will demand worship and persecute those who refuse to take his mark1
The opening of the seven seals, which will unleash wars, famines, plagues, natural disasters, and martyrdom2
The sounding of the seven trumpets, which will bring more judgments, such as hail, fire, blood, darkness, locusts, and earthquakes3
The pouring out of the seven bowls, which will be the final and most severe plagues, such as sores, seas turning to blood, scorching heat, darkness, drought, and hailstones4
The invasion of Israel by a coalition of nations led by the Antichrist. This will culminate in the Battle of Armageddon, where Jesus Christ will return with his angels and saints to defeat his enemies and rescue his people.
The purpose of the Great Tribulation is not only to punish the wicked, but also to redeem the faithful. Many people will turn to God and accept Jesus as their Savior during this time, especially among the Jewish people, who will recognize him as their Messiah. God will also fulfill his promises and covenants with Israel, and prepare the world for his kingdom.
The Great Tribulation is a sobering and frightening topic, but also a hopeful one for those who belong to Christ. The Bible assures us that God is in control of history, and that he will deliver his people from the wrath to come. He also invites us to repent of our sins and trust in his grace, so that we can escape the coming judgment and enter his eternal glory.
1: The Great Tribulation: What, When, Who and Why 2: Revelation 6 3: Revelation 8-9 4: Revelation 16 : Revelation 19 : What Do We Know about the Tribulation? : Romans 11:25-36 : 1 Thessalonians 1:10 : Revelation 22:17
Also see:
www.biblestudyproject.org/bible-study-library/the-future-the-afterworld-and-eternity/the-rapture/
@@soundbibledoctrine2825 Amen! We've always had our eyes on Israel, GOD'S "end times clock" so to speak, not so much on the feasts. It seems like the rapture is right around the corner. Blessings from Canada💟
@@soundbibledoctrine2825 Still haven't convinced me that there is a "rapture" before the tribulation! Revelation 20 puts those that refuse the Mark of the Beast in the first resurrection! Explain why the resurrection is pretrib when martyrs from it are included in it!
If the resurrection of ALL the dead of both the just and the unjust will precede the Last Judgement.Then how can the dead in Christ rise at the Rapture. Does this mean the dead in Christ will have to rise at the Rapture and again at the Last Judgement.
The resurrection of the just and unjust does not precede the Great White Throne Judgment. All the just or righteous that are saved have already been taken to heaven. It is only the unjust or the unrighteous that are dead and are resurrected to be at this judgment.
The Great White Throne Judgment
Subjects: The lost, the wicked dead of all ages, Revelation 20:11-15.
Time: This judgment takes place shortly after the millennium, but before the eternal state of the new heavens and earth mentioned in Revelation 20:10-11; Revelation 21:1
Place: Before The Great White Throne, Revelation 20:11.
Result: Those not found written in the book of life will be cast into the lake of fire, Revelation 20:15.
The believers have already been resurrected and taken to heaven, so it is now the dead, the unsaved, that stand before the Great White Judgment Throne. God has already removed Satan and His angels, Revelation 20:10. Then the unbelieving dead are resurrected and stand before the throne, Revelation 20:12-13.
The unbelieving dead did not accept Christ's payment for their sins so now must be judged by their works. There will be many who did good works and claim they should get into heaven because of their works, Matthew 7:21. We also see in that verse they will claim they should be able to enter into heaven but Christ will not allow them to enter. Then in Matthew 7:22 we see that they claimed good works to get into heaven. Good works do not get us into heaven. Ephesians 2:8-9 tells us that we are saved by grace through faith and not by works. But if we are saved we are created unto good works, Ephesians 2:10.
Jesus paid the price for our sins by being judged for our sins. His righteousness is imputed to each one that accepts Christ. But those who do not accept Christ have only their works so then they will be judged out of the books of their works, and if they have violated even one commandment, they will be cast into the lake of fire, Revelation 20:12-15. There is no mention of even one person, at this judgment, having their name written in the book of life.
Therefore, they will be judged according to how their works stand up to the Ten Commandments, and if they have violated even one of these commandments, they are guilty of violating all of them, James 2:10. How many of all mankind have sinned? All of mankind has sinned, Romans 3:23. So what is the penalty for violating one of these commandments? Romans 6:23 says the wages of sin is death. The death mentioned here refers to the second death, which is eternal separation from God in a lake of fire, Revelation 21:8; John 3:18.
Death comes first and then the judgment, Hebrews 9:27, so since the eternal destiny is fixed at death, the Great White Throne judgment is also for degrees of punishment. In Luke 12:47-48 Jesus tells us that the one that knew God's will and did not do it shall be beaten with many stripes. On the other hand, those that did not know God's will and did not do it shall be beaten with a few stripes. Thus indicating that there are degrees of punishment. We also see in Luke 20:46-47 that the scribes mentioned there would receive a greater condemnation, indicating there are degrees of punishment. Degrees of punishment can also be seen in Matthew 11:22-24 where Jesus tells the cities of Chorazin and Bethsaida that it would be more tolerable on the day of judgment for Tyre and Sidon than for them. On down in verse 24 we see Jesus speaking of those in Capernaum saying that in the day of judgment it would be more tolerable for the land of Sodom. Degrees of punishment are shown in many more places throughout the Bible.
At this final judgment no one will be able to say that God did not treat them fairly. All mankind will be able to see that God gave everyone a chance and that each of us made our own decision as to our eternal destiny, Romans 3:19; Colossians 3:22-25.
In ACTS 24 - 15 states that ALL people, both the good and the bad will rise from death. No mention of a separate resurrection for the good.
John 5 28-29 - states the time is coming when All the dead will hear his voice and come out of their graves - Those who have done good will rise and live and those have have done evil will rise and be condemned. No mention of a separate resurrection of the good,
Maranatha!
Peace to you, friend in Christ. Will we be raptured before or after the revelation of the son of perdition?
2 thess 2 says otherwise to the pretrib rapture. We will be gathered to Christ after the falling away and son of perdition is revealed
2 Thessalonians 2:
1, ¶ Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,1
2, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3, ¶ Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4, Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5, Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6, And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7, For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8, And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9, Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11, And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12, That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
So, according to you the man of sin has been revealed. I missed that somehow. Could you tell me who this man of sin is that has already been revealed? But that is not what I see in verse 3. Nor do I find anyone that sitteth in the Temple of God shewing himself that he is God mentioned in verse 4. etc.
@@soundbibledoctrine2825 right, we also havent been gathered to Christ. I think you might have misunderstood what i was saying :) here is the order; falling away and antichrist being revealed. And yes you are correct, he will sit in the temple claiming to be God. Daniel goes over that as well with more detail. And after those events, we will be gathered to Christ. Any other order is a deception. Or rather when people say we will be gathered to Christ first and then the antichrist be revealed; then they are deceived. Because Paul says dont be deceived by that.
Also also i wasnt saying the man of sin has been revealed, im saying the pretrib rapture says that the saints are gathered to Christ then the antichrist is revealed. Thats not true. We will be gathered to Christ after the antichrist is revealed. Not saying he has been revealed
@@Kman. that day is in the first part.
2 Thessalonians 2:1-2 (KJV) Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
Verse 1 and 2 is talking about the same exact thing. The day has been defined.
2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 (KJV) Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
You must be led of the Holy Spirit and know Christ. He will lead you into allthe Truth.
Reread everything. He said i speak to you concerning Jesus Christ and our gathering unto Him and then goes on to speak about things pertaining to that. Make yourself a fool so He will make you wise.
Verse 1 and 2 are one sentence... so it is talking about Christ coming back to get the saints.
In Paul's letter he isn't saying the Thessalonians thought they received a letter from Paul saying the rapture had taken place but that they thought they had received a letter from Paul saying the "day of Lord" had begun. Then Paul continues with let no one deceive you for that day (day of the Lord) will not come unless the rebellion comes first and the man of lawlessness is revealed.
@@jash7401 the day of the Lord is when Jesus comes back
Okay with how ever God wants to do it but I do not see a definitive statement saying we will be raptured out before the great tribulation by JESUS or any of the disciples and yet people get mad when you challenge it
I don't get mad at anyone that disagrees. Unfortunately, few if any that don't believe it ever give any Bible references to support their claims. However, you might also look at my videos on "The Reasons For The Pre-Trib Rapture"
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Peace to you, friend in Christ. Will we be raptured before or after the revelation of the son of perdition?
I have just seen another video where the scripture in Thessalonians that says that the dead will rise first is cited as the rapture. But there is one scripture that some people seem to ignore. In Revelation 20 it says that in the first resurrection will be those who have gone through the tribulation.
The resurrection mentioned in Revelation 20:5-6 occurs at the end of the Millennial reign just before the new heavens and new earth. These are the people that were saved during the tribulation since all the church age believers were all caught up in Thessalonians as you mentioned.
@@soundbibledoctrine2825 Revelation 20:4 states that those who died in the tribulation and hadn't worshipped the beast and didn't receive the mark "They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years ".
@jesusiscoming8237
You put all the verses together and the 6th seal seems like the spot for the rapture. After the signs in the sun, moon, and stars. On the day of Vengeance which commences with flaming fire from heaven.
Luke 17:29-30
2nd Thessalonians 1:6-10
Revelation 6:12- 7:9 'fire from heaven' just after this in Revelation 8:4-7.
Psalm 76:7-10 "Who is able to stand?" Revelation 6:17, 7:9, Luke 21:36
Signs in sun, moon, and stars and then a gathering of the elect, a deliverance, a rest, or redemption.
Matthew 24:29-31
Joel 2:31-32
Luke 21:25-28
Mark 13:24-27
1st Thessalonians 4:13 - 5:3
"The Day of the Lord" is mentioned just two verses after the most famous resurrection and rapture passage in the Bible after Paul says "concerning the times and the seasons." The times and seasons of what? What was just being talked about? And why mention the Day of the Lord in conjunction with the resurrection and rapture unless they are connected?
What is the Day of the Lord?
Isaiah 13:6-13
Joel 2:10-11
@@jesusiscoming8237 Seems ridiculous how they prance around that FACT huh?
The souls of those that were beheaded are those who lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. This is not a literal resurrection from the grave. There isn't one word said about resurrections of the bodes. It says that he saw the souls or spirits of those living and reigning with Christ, the ones who had been put to death in the body, and their souls were unseen on earth, their souls never ceased to exist. There souls were alive with Christ and they now live in a different existence than they had before. There souls never ceased to exist.
As for the rest of the dead that had not been saved, their bodies went to the grave but their soul went hell. Those that were saved and died their bodies had gone to the grave and their soul to heaven.
Notice that it says the rest of the dead live not until the end of the thousand years. We are judged at death according to Hebrews 9:27. At the end of the thousand years every person that has died throughout time without Christ has their body in the grave and their soul in hell. At the end of the thousand years all of those that have died throughout time are resurrected and stand before Christ at the Great White Throne Judgment and there they will find out why they are being cast into a lake of fire forever.
Darby certainly did not invent the idea of a pretrib rapture, but he certainly did popularize it and provided a system that made it simple to understand and accept.
Darby-style dispensationalism is the real issue, and it is horrific. It adds to, deletes from, and changes plain scripture.
You are certainly correct, Darby did not invent the idea of a pretrib rapture and he did provide a simple system to understand it. If you will look at God's Word closer you will also find that dispensationalism is also correct.
@@soundbibledoctrine2825 I was raised 40 years under dispensationalism. It is not biblical at all and has many problems. Not trying to change your mind but don't assume I have not looked "carefully" enough.
I did not post about dispensationalism and I see from your name you are not here to post about the truth but only to make others look like liars. Then I don't listen to people like you because I am capable of studying God's Word for the truth. I am pre-millennial and Dispensational not because of Darby or anyone else but only because that is what God's Word teaches.
@@soundbibledoctrine2825 The word teaches that those who are beheaded in the tribulation for not taking the Mark are part of the first resurrection! How is it those who are alive get raptured if those who are asleep haven't been resurrected yet? Makes no sense if you follow sound doctrine!
Because those of first resurrection are resurrected long after those that were caught up just before the tribulation. So they have been with Jesus for a thousand years or more before that first resurrection you mention.
Good teaching.
Peace to you, friend in Christ. Will we be raptured before or after the revelation of the son of perdition?
In my experience any and all post trib guys I know started as pre trib.
I know one thing that pre mid or post we are all on same team.
Same team, different positions !!
Here you go bud: The gathering, or snatching away, or the rapture, is clearly written about. No metaphors, just a shallow babbling Brook. 2nd Thessalonians states that "That day" shall not come "Until" a great falling away, "AND" the Lawless one be revealed. This is chapter 2 verse 3 of 2 Thessalonians. Later one in the chapter, it seems to relate to the convergence or change from Lawless One to Anti-Christ. But it is same guy only 3 and 1/2 years later.
Revelation chapter 10, verse 7 states when the Church number is completed. Just before the 7th angel sounds. Which we read about In Revelation chapter 11.
Revelation chapter 4 and chapter 15 are both a picture of us being on the "Sea of Glass," chapter 4 our arrival, chapter 15 our works judgement. So, everything before chapter 15 is also most everything before chapter 4 also. There are some wrap arounds, because the Seals are the whole seven year period and the trumpets and the bowls are 3 and 1/2 years each half of the seven year period. From chapter 15 on the story is pretty much linear. But portions of chapters 6 and 7 are after chapter 15 as well, being the seals explanation. The first verse of chapter 8 should be the last verse of chapter 7, and chapter 8 should start at verse 2. I believe this BAD chapter division has added to the confusion.
The first 3 and 1/2 years the Lawless one is revealed and He sets off to destroy the apostate church, or the whore riding the beasts back. Near the time of the Holy Spirits reduction, at the half way point, a Zealot of the apostate church mortally wounds Him and 3 days later He arises and kills the two Prophets who then are displayed for 3 and 1/2 days, and then they arise and leap into space, as far as those on earth are concerned. That is when we go, FOR NOW comes the Wrath of God. The Bowls Judgement. Seals 5, 6, and 7, and the 7 Bowls. We are not here for that see: Revelation chapter 15. Revelation chapter 12 could be "the Body" of Christ being Born and yes it also came from Israel. The beginning. But just as it is completed it is taken into heaven. Chapters 13 and 14 are events happening in that juxta positional time frame. Chapter 14 verse 13 holds an addendum to the Salvation criterion, in that it is now: If one does not accept the mark and is killed they are saved. Only right after the rapture could that be instated.
So, The seals cover the whole 7 year period. The trumpets and bowls are each 3 and 1/2 years of that same time period. first half and second half.
After the sixth seal there isn't much left to blow a trumpet at or pour a bowl over.
Peace to you, friend in Christ. Will we be raptured before or after the revelation of the son of perdition?
Christians will go thro the great tribulatiin but not the Wrath of God
Bible say's Immediately AFTER the tribulation will you see the Son of man in the clouds ! Pre trib rap is a lie , Let no man deceive you.
First of all you need to see my video's on the Reasons For The Pre-Trib Rapture. These videos will answer some of your questions.
Matthew 24:
20, But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21, For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22, And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
29, Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30, And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31, And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Looking at verse 30 it does say they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds. It says the same thing when He comes in the rapture before the tribulation but not everyone will see Him and the church/believers will be caught up to meet him in the air. He does not come to earth, He comes in the air. Looking at verse 31 above believers are not caught up at the second coming, the angels gather them together from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other and this is at His second coming.
Bible say's Jesus returns on the last trump, rises the dead in Christ then gathers the elect who still remain in the air . Then we go w/ Jesus to Armageddon to have victory and live for 1,000 years. then the great white throne judgement, new heaven and earth etc. 144,000 will be sealed during the last 42 month's . These are the elect who have the armor of God and endure to the end !!@@soundbibledoctrine2825
Do the ones that don't believe in a pretriab rapture do they really read the Bible. The Bible clearly let's you know its before the tribulation . This man has already given you enough verses that proves pretriab rapture Paul wrote about it he warned not to believe any gospel that he didn't teach.
Thank you Buck and may God bless you.
On the contrary, it's the pre-tribber's who have not read and studied the bible and are deceived by men's doctrine.@@buck4472
Pre tribulation just isn’t possible. We are already in the tribulation!
It would be absolutely great if you would prove this with some Bible references and not just a blank statement. Pre-tribulation is not only possible it is a Biblical fact. Then maybe you are using amillennialism to twist the Word of God to your liking? I have three videos on "The Reason for the Pre-Tribulation rapture. Please take a look at those and that might help clear things up. Since you believe we are in the Tribulation now then please tell me who the Antichrist is.
@@soundbibledoctrine2825 the Revelation 12 sign - the woman clothed with the sun- is a constellation. It happened in 2017. And eclipses every 6 months since then on feast days. It started 62 weeks plus 7 after Israel became a nation.
I believe in a rapture- it’s just at the end. Which is soon. So it doesn’t really matter who is right - we both love the Lord and agree he is coming soon!
If the rapture happens at the end of the tribulation then we have the believers taken up and brought back down at the same time. This, of course, is not possible. At the rapture He does not come to the earth but He comes in the air and all believers are caught up in the air to be with Jesus forever. That is possibly one reason Jesus brings them back to the earth with Him at His second coming at the end of the tribulation.