Elsa Kind Of Sucks
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 ก.ย. 2024
- Hey guess what. Elsa kinda sucks. No hate, just facts my dudes. And this isn't some saltfest of a video. I'm not hating on the character per say. But more on the role she has in the story, her writing in general, and the reception of her character by the wider audience. Basically i'm baffled she is as popular as she is. There. Enjoy.
I like Elsa's character on paper, but am kinda annoyed by how she's praised as a paragon of strong independent women by people who clearly didn't pay attention to the film. Her arc through the first movie is more a cautionary tale about trying to stubbornly handle everything on your own. Note how her attemps to shut herself away and control her powers during "Do You Want To Build A Snowman?" only cause her condition to worsen with each shot we see inside her room. Then, we get a bit of her liberating herself, only to be shattered when her sister explains what's happening to the kingdom. She then shuts herself away again, accidentally hurting her sister in the process. Things don't improve until the end, when she breaks down and let's her bottled up emotions out, then she just suddenly has complete control of her abilities. I understand the idea that everyone should strive to be independent, but it gets twisted when people make it about how one shouldn't need anyone. Rain doesn't just fall on one roof and likewise everyone benefits from a support network. It gets so confusing when people say Elsa is a perfect role model, but then bash characters like Ariel and Merida as bad despite being more well-rounded.
I don't think Elsa was being stubborn, per se; she didn't know any better, with her father giving her advice as a monarch and a magical troll telling her as a kid that her powers have dangerous potential (which is a fair warning, but maybe don't scar her?) As a result of her ignoring her powers, she thought she'd hurt others if she was around them because she didn't know how her powers worked.
And from what I've seen, Ariel gets more hate than Merida, who either gets praise for not wanting marriage or flies under the radar because Pixar never really acknowledges her.
I'm really curious to see how the discussion will change if Raya gets more attention, since she is the only Disney princess whose world has female and male warriors without it being a big deal--plus she and Moana avoided the "going against marriage" trope altogether since it isn't brought up.
@@OpticalSorcerer Does Moana avoid marriage? I don't remember her or her parents mentioning marriage, maybe being forced into expectations rather?
@@princesserika9899 Exactly. That's what I mean when I say she amd Raya avoided the trope since it's never mentioned.
@@OpticalSorcerer Oh right right 😃
@@OpticalSorcerer You're right, perhaps I chose "stubbornly" for lack of better terminology. I just got frustrated seeing her continue to isolate herself despite it clearly not working and then seeing people ignore that arc in favor of her being a lone island. As for Merida, when she is criticized, it mainly falls in the vein of her being too impulsive. I mean...she's a young adult, impulsiveness is to be expected. Unfortunately, I haven't watched "Raya" so I don't have the reference to comment about that film. I'll be sure to watch it when I have time.
Elsa was originally supposed to be the main villain in their earlier drafts, and it shows. If they had stuck to their guns, Elsa could have been one of the most interesting Disney villains we've had in a long time.
AGREED
i will always mourn how we were ROBBED of complex villain elsa (with a redemption arc)
I can see it now. Elsa spiraling into darkness, as her only tether to the light--Anna--attempts to save her. Elsa is redeemed but has to face the consequences of ruling a kingdom she nearly destroyed and win back the trust of her people.
@roshanfey I know, right??? She would've been ten times the character that she is now. *sigh* Oh well. Lol.
@@antwain2799 i like elsa as a concept / aesthetic and i really want to like her character, but her actions and lack of arc make her so unlikeable 😭😭
Honestly, I agree with a lot of what you said. It definitely feels like Anna is the main character of the story. However it's not uncommon to have two main characters. The best example of this is Avatar the last airbender. The series is named after Aang, he's the avatar and the last Airbender, but Zuko is also considered as a main character as well, he gets just as much screentime and development as Aang. But yes, elsa is centre of the story but doesn't have that much agency or decision to do anything, it's all done to her and not by her own choice, other than running away from the mess that she made, which is not a great thing for a main character to do.
@@DragonGoddess18 right, thanks for the correction.
Anna was the main character in frozen 1.
Talvez pareça que a Anna seja a protagonista porque ela é a protagonista, o problema é que eles não sabem equilibrar, o primeiro a Elsa era mais um conflito e o segundo eles meio que se redimiram e eu acho que grande parte de que o amor das pessoas por Frozen é maior do que por Frozen 2 é que mesmo que a pessoa prefira a Elsa, a Anna é uma personagem mais divertida de assistir, Frozen 2 comparado com o primeiro é pra mim um filme que existe, mas é Frozen, então eu gosto, a Elsa em Frozen 2 conseguiu ser mais insuportável do que no primeiro. Ela não é altruísta, ela não é corajosa, ela não é forte, ela não é interessante, ela não tem carisma, mas ela tem poder de gelo!
it's not uncommon to have two main characters but the thing is that elsa isn't interesting enough to be a main character. both aang and zuko were important to the narrative, they had their own arcs and were fully fleshed out characters. elsa did not get any of that so the only reason she's a main character is because the movie said so.
@@skyhideaway And the only reason she's so popular is because little girls love her due to her being a princess and wearing a pretty dress. *facepalm*
I think Elsa is interesting because her struggle is shown via magic. Due to her composure and the fact that we don't know much about her interests, I can see why she may come off as "boring" to some.
I also don't like how Anna chases after Elsa all the time but Elsa keeps rejecting her without telling her why for YEARS. I know Anna is desperate for affection but I feel like any regular person would have given up by then or gotten resentful and angry. Anna never gets angry at Elsa even when she's being rejected.
Agreed. Honestly I can’t stand Anna because of how immature and reckless she is half the time. I don’t understand why she cares so much about someone who keeps shoving her away and Anna even threatened to cut ties with her if she refused to bless her marriage to Hans. I’d appreciate the sisterly relationship a lot more if it showed a more realistic portrayal of a distant relationship.
I kinda like Elsa more because she isn’t so naive as Anna, but at the same time I can’t stand her either because she refuses to tell Anna about accidentally hurting her as a kid. Remember the scene Anna finds her palace and tries telling her she understands why she’s the way she is, Elsa finally felt she could FINALLY put the past behind her, BUT the moment she remembers that one stupid memory she then turns back to being afraid of her powers and refusing to trust Anna with the truth. I thought the entire point of Let it Go was Elsa was finally EMBRACING them and didn’t care anymore, but she then flicks back to hating herself and her powers.
@@kristinahuchison2511Anna pode ser ingênua, mas ela é engraçada, altruísta, linda e tem uma coragem que Elsa nunca teve
She still has her memories of them being close. From her perspective her best friend did a 180 and she has no clue why.
@@KC-kb4pzAgreed
@@kristinahuchison2511Thank you!!! Those are my two biggest problems with Frozen: the sisterly relationship isn't realistic enough and "Let It Go" practically contradicts herself. I would've easily cut Frozen so much slack if Elsa explained everything to Anna at the ice palace, as well as admit she's scared, traumatized, and doesn't know what to do. Meanwhile, Anna feels bad for Elsa, but still has trust issues with Elsa and/or resents her because Elsa waited this whole time to explain everything to her. As for "Let It Go", the song would've made much more sense if Elsa sang it after she learned how to control her powers, (with revised lyrics, of course).
I think Elsa definitely could have had more screen time, but I really think it boils down to her having an epic song that was really empowering for a large group of people is why she is so beloved and popular. Maybe if they had made a series like Tangled had we'd get more backstory and character development with both sisters.
They should of gotten a Spin off
I guess those people forgot about Go the Distance, which has a similar vibe. A much better song, by the way.
Elsa was supposed to be the villain, but they didn't had the guts to commit to it. I think the popularity of Elsa has sent the wrong message to Disney. Many problems we see in today female characters like rey or captain marvel can be seen in elsa. Do we see Elsa train her ice powers? Or that Elsas ice powers are overpowered. I think that Elsas popularity over her sister that was a more classical hero convinces Disney that we need more Elsa like characters.
I..... disagree with this
Do we see all the strong male characters train?
Also, there's no reason to hate captain marvel. Touch some grass, incel.
You wanna keep hating superheroines by resorting to these nonsensical comments, just do so and keep the disney princesses out of your hateful narrative.
No Elsa's popularity didn't send the wrong message to Disney. Not true. We do, in the song "Let it go". Well they are powerful but not overpowered. But we don't have more characters like Elsa.
2:27 she didnt go nuts,it was killing in self defense,she asked them to stay away and the shot a crossbow at her face,she gave them a harmless blast to get them to back off and they still kept pushing her and surrounding her,trying to kill her with her back turned
I actually LIKE that she had that moment. All previous princesses are incredibly innocent (with some exceptions, especially Mulan). I liked seeing her lose her crap, because we all know that's what we'd do in that situation.
@@Dandelions479 i just saw this,yeah i agree
@@Dandelions479 Elsa controls elements, she is by definition in position of power even should they have sent an army after her. Protecting herself was fine, but killing the men in the process was both absolutely unnecessary and, as is characteristic for Elsa, excusing her bad judgement with "following her emotional turmoil". Woman can build a castle on a whim, and she couldn't just barricade the door or create a tiny room around them? That scene is exceptionally contrived. She's capable of creating life and killing everything around her with ease, she's actually the dangerous one if she cannot compose herself.
@@Dandelions479I wish she would have way more moments like that tbh
Honestly I've tended to get annoyed with Anna sometimes in both films, so I enjoyed seeing what Elsa was doing. But you make some good points!
Same
Anna is annoying sometimes
I think it was because Anna was supposed to be "relateable" by being goofy and innocent, while Elsa was seen as more mature and emptionally detatched due to being the next monarch and her powers (though some people hate her character for these reasons).
Yeah elsa should have told anna that she had ice powers then she would have understood why she keeped her at a distance and like yeah what the trolls said about her having to keep her powers a secret they should have excluded anna sense she's so desperate to get close to elsa and yeah ladybug wouldn't even tell cat noir who's she in love with like what's dangerous about it Marinette? I see why you can't know each other's identities but can't know who you're in love with? What's dangerous about that? And yeah the time you actually told alya you're ladybug well now that she's a bad friend I wish you didn't tell her but when you were going to give your superhero duty to her yeah you should have told her there instead of just randomly put the magical orbs into her bag waiting for her to take out her homework and then that's were she's gets introduced to tikki if you told her there then she would have been able to transform while being captured
there's a 2 part fanscript from doug walker called what if anna became the villain in frozen parts 1 and 2 you should see it.
@@DragonGoddess18Wow, you really hate Anna, huh?
Yeah, when I watched the first movie I thought that Elsa was a bit of a bland character with no real personality or motivations besides wanting to isolate herself from everybody so that she wouldn't accidentally hurt them with her powers. Then I watched the second movie and while it improved a little I still thought she was somewhat still bland.
Now we wait until Frozen 3.
i would like to see anna become the villain in frozen.
@@viviennemorgan7217 Elsa was actually supposed to be the villain in the original writing of the movie but they changed it
@@onesweetangel1017 don't care
@@onesweetangel1017 Oh yeah, I heard about that. Such wasted potential...
@@viviennemorgan7217 Get back to KidsTube with that unnecessary attitude.
Originally, Elsa was going to be the villain - like the Snow Queen in the Hans Christian Anderson story of the same name the film was based on - with blue skin and dark hair, until the writers/producers/whoever, I don’t remember, heard Let It Go and completely rewrote the script. That could explain where some of this confusion comes from, with Elsa feeling like she’s being set up to be a villain only to sing a power ballad typical of a hero, because that’s what was happening behind the scenes. And don’t get me started on the rush job that was Frozen 2’s production just to jump on the hype train and rake in those Mickey dollars
This is one of the reasons why I hate greed so much. Because from a desire to make as much money as quickly as possible, you get a big mess of a story!
Elsa’s just there… she’s just there. Anna is so much more developed in comparison. It’s like they wanted Elsa to be the cool main character, but they were so focused on just her powers that they didn’t spend any real time with her outside of “Oh I’m dangerous, I need to hide away and shut everyone out.” I wish they’d explored her character a bit more, especially in the second film.
How is Anna more developed than Elsa? Anna never changes, she is what i call a active static character. She’s active because she takes the initiative of trying to find her sister and rescues her through an act of true love BUT she is static in that she never changes or develops as a character. By the end of the movie she’s just as bubbly and quirky as everr, she doesn’t even learn her lesson in not falling in love with a guy she’s just met, she ends up kissing Kristoff after what - three or two days of knowing him? She still craves her sister’s love and approval and still bases her worth on it. Without Elsa, her entire character falls apart, all that is left is superifical on the surface personality traits. Where is the exploration of her lack of self worth? Where is the exploration of her dependency issues? Who is she without Elsa? Look, as much as I like Anna, I won’t deny that she just cant stand as her own character. Elsa, while also poorly developed, at least her personality and entire character arc doesn’t revolve around someone else. You understand who she is without Anna or anyone.
Anyway, theyre both poorly developed characters but in their own ways.
Elsa is the narrative equipment to a boat.
- Has she/her pronouns
- Is used to transfer or move things from one place to the other
- Built for icey waters
- Had no personality or sentience
Elsa is not a character. Elsa is a boat.
To each their own. We love elsa here
@@nileverdeen3797 I don't. She sucks.
The only thing wrong here is the she/her pronouns, because boats are also he/him, like my aunt’s boat and her old guy friend’s boat
@@nileverdeen3797 I'm not terribly keen on her.
Elsa closed Anna off because of her parents "Conceal, Don't Feel" policy*. They didn't really help her and Frozen 2 didn't really make them better,it made them worse
What they did to her had a psychological power over her. No one in her position really "gets over it",they work through it
*Personally I think "How It Should Have Ended" hit the nail on the head about all this
Personally, I do actually really like Elsa because I find her relatable because the way she struggled with her powers in the first movie is similar to how I struggle with my anxiety.
And similar to how Marinette struggles with trying to confess her love to adrien
@@emelylassiter3523 Yes, it's kind of similar to that too.
@@thecartoonrewriter7064
Me too
@@emelylassiter3523 Heh, nice
You can't be serious
"That does not an interesting character make."
But a popular one, it does. You don't have to be interesting to be popular.
Too bad she's only popular because kids don't know any better!
wait, elsa is a main character???
oh wait until you're wrong about her my dude
Infelizmente no segundo filme ela é, por isso que o filme é insuportável.
I always just kinda wondered what the hell she does in that ice tower. What was her game plan? There isn't even any furniture in there she can't even sit.
I wonder how it could've been if they would've made Elsa a villain since that was the original plan for Frozen anyway.
Heck she probably could've been an interesting Disney boss fight for Kingdom Hearts 3 if they would've went that route
I'll tell you: Most of the plot holes we have now wouldn't exist, more characters may have had more of a point, and her realizing that love is the answer to the problem would've made so much more sense!
In short, the movie would actually have been GOOD!
She ain’t that bad, she was just written that way. Blame the writers.
P.S. she’s still my favourite Disney Princess ever.
I'll bite on my sarcasm regarding your personal preference, and will just go factually: Elsa's a Queen, not a Princess.
Nice reference to Jessica there.
@@dohavename6775 thanks and yes you’re right she’s technically a queen but she retired in the sequel and gave the throne to Anna.
I respect your opinion, but Elsa has got to be one of the most overrated characters ever. Literally all she does is run away from her problems and flat out refuses to tell Anna about accidentally hurting her as a kid. Its literally that memory that makes her keep shoving Anna away. Even when Anna tells her her powers accidentally turned on an eternal winter, Elsa literally cowers in her palace and I guess simply expects the blizzard to cancel itself. I don’t understand why she’s so beloved when literally all she does is run away and flat out refuses to trust Anna with a secret that she basically let control her. Heck, she doesn’t even tell Anna about the trolls when her heart is frozen, all she does is send a snowmonster after them to basically almost kill them.
It takes more than magical powers, an overrated song and a cute outfit to qualify as an actual amazing character.
@@kristinahuchison2511 Dude blame the writers not the characters.
@@enderethan144 so you’re saying she’s your favorite Disney Princess because she’s a queen, has powers and a cute outfit? I’m sorry but that doesn’t constitute as a good character. You do realize Elsa was originally supposed to be the villain? It was literally her design (aside that song) that’s WHY Disney decided to change her into a good guy instead, despite it basically messed up the rest of the movie. I’m not kidding, the trolls weren’t even a part of the movie until Elsa wasn’t the villain anymore, further showing how annoying and terrible they are
As a kid I was obsessed with Elsa, drew her everytime. But everytime I watched the movie, I rooted for Anna.
Elsa could have been a great sympathetic villain or deuteragonist. There are scenes showing her character potential in the film, but she became too complex to resolve her conflict in her allotted screen time without changing the structure of the story, so she ends up feeling under-explored and rushed. The movie went through a massive amount of drafts and they tried to simplify things, but the end result feels like they removed a lot of information about the world and characters without filling in the gaps that created.
I think the problem is that most of the attention was always given to Anna in both movies which makes it hard to show her pov and her character development. Elsa had so much potential to be so much more and maybe this is why people like her.
Exactly
Resumindo, Anna tem personalidade e Elsa não, é a realidade
@@_cristalie Cinderella I 200% agree with you.
Well, it does follow in the footsteps of the original Hans Christian Anderson story of “The Snow Queen.” You have one character that makes a journey to save a friend but the character that’s saved isn’t really given much focus in the original either.
As far as empowerment goes, Elsa was risking the townspeople coming after her to attack her as a “witch” just so she wouldn’t have to hide being herself anymore. So there’s that. However I think this would have been more empowering if people didn’t find out she had ice powers and she just decided she didn’t want to repress being who she was anymore and left. The public discovery of her powers makes it seem like she didn’t really have a choice but to run away, making it less about rebellion and more coming from a place of fear.
No it doesn’t
@@disneyngooglesuckatvideogames You have a different opinion than me and that’s fine by me.
I would've liked it if Elsa was younger than Anna, because for real right now:
Why would the king and queen have annother child if their first has magical powers?
What if their second one would have more dangerous powers than the first one?
Why wouldn't they search for the source of Elsa's powers when they first find out about her having them?
Why did they decided to go out to the weird river (I forgot its name) to find out about the source of their child's ice magic ONLY and ONLY JUST after she has hurt her sister????
That doesn't make sense to me 😅
Maybe Elsa’s powers didn’t appear until Iduna was pregnant with Anna? Jack Jack from the Incredibles franchise didn’t show any powers until the end of the movie, and Helen and Bob pretty much thought he didn’t have any, indicating Violet and Dash’s powers appeared sooner.
This whole movie doesn't make sense!
Anna - the hero
Kristoff - the sidekick
Sven -the animal companion
Olaf - comedic relief
Hans- the villian
Elsa - the one who is just there to fill in holes
Accurate
A Elsa apenas existe
I agree with you 100%. It’s so frustrating that a character that has such a good setup just full to the waste side. She has no personality outside of her song, Anna, and her ice powers. I honestly feel like there sisterly bond in the second movie is better than the first. Both movies I would a 6.5 out of 10.
She has no personality??
You mean being aloof and sheltered and is very much reserved because she is afraid of her risk of her abilities hurting her sister.
If you are someone with anxiety issues u would relate to her
In the first movie was she the problem. Anna was the hero, Hans was the villan and Elsa was the problem😅
Is she relatable? In a way, yes. Is she likable? Hell no. I’ve never liked her as a kid and still don’t. I don’t get how Elsa is considered a good role model when she pushes everyone away from her, especially her sister who constantly tries to help. Yes, she was raised like that, but there’s nothing to her personality that makes me want to root for her character besides angst and anxiety.
She was self-destructive and allowed the kingdom to freeze, but of course those problems are magically solved at the end.
I definitely think Frozen would’ve benefited from a tv series instead of the second movie. Tangled did that and the series ended up expanding on the lore, original characters, and bringing in new beloved characters that Frozen 2 didn’t have time to do. I think the first Frozen movie has a good story and I think Elsa has the potential to be a great, complex character but since they’re doing movies (probably to bring in more money) and saying she’s the “special snowflake” (quite literally) in Frozen 2 there’s not much room for her actual character. Instead of making her the fifth spirit I think it would’ve been more interesting to explore her internal struggles and the consequences of what she did in the first movie. Besides ice is technically just frozen water so it’s kind of unclear on what makes her the fifth spirit.
There are literally tv specials like Frozen Fever which is after the first movie if you have even watched it
@@kafukwamekemeh wow I totally forgot I made this comment. But in relation to your comment I have watched frozen fever but it was more of a funny short than something that expanded on the lore and character development
@@cosmicgriffin8026 You mean it showed elsa and anna having a sister fun time and celebrating Anna's birthday, which Elsa wanted to do to make up for the times she shut Anna out?
@@kafukwamekemeh Yeah that is true. Look dude I’m not looking for an argument and I still think it could’ve benefited from a TV show rather than shorts (because a TV show will have way more time to expand the world and characters) but I’m really not trying to make you angry. Everyone can have their own opinions on what frozen is or should be
In my book, it would have benefited more from a complete REWRITE.
There's definitely a lack of displaying Anna's and Elsa sisterly bonds, because excluding the opening scene .. there's ways to have the distance between Elsa and Anna grow without a physial door separating the two You could show ..that Elsa isolated herself from Anna growing up until their parents evetnually pass away .... which would force the sisters to interact...and bridge that distance. Then...when Anna ask for Elsa's belssing on her sudden engagement. Elsa would view it as her sister leaving her as well..and get upset by this...triggering the next portion of the film. Anna learns of Elsa's secret..in fear of rejection from her sister...she runs away .. etc
i totally agree! on paper, her character has a lot of potential. she's incredibly traumatized, she's repressed, she has anxiety and shuts herself off to avoid hurting people she cares about. this is a solid foundation. it's sympathetic and relatable to a lot of people.
however, there's not enough focus on elsa's trauma. the whole eternal winter thing is supposed to be a metaphor for bottled-up feelings finally bursting through, but it's never given the importance it needs.
not to mention, the solution for all this, according to the movie, is "love". that's it. elsa doesn't have to work through her trauma or find better coping mechanisms, she just cries over her sister once and brings anna back to life, and suddenly she's okay. yeah, it's a disney movie but there have been plenty of disney movies that have addressed serious issues a lot better. lilo and stitch, tangled, the hunchback of notre dame.
anna deserved the praise and popularity that elsa got. she did literally everything in the movie. and i think it would have been a tiny bit more realistic if anna was a little more conflicted about her relationship with elsa rather than being all "i trust her because she's my sister". i mean, anna has no memories of what her sister was like, i feel like an incident like this would cause her to stop and think rather than blindly chasing elsa, not knowing what would happen. their sibling relationship just seems weird to me in general. but still, anna is a good character, for most part. all her qualities are shown, rather than told, like they did with elsa.
i first watched frozen when i was like 12 and i was totally in love with elsa, but that was only because of her ice powers and her song. thinking about it now, elsa is such a boring character with a lot of lost potential. she could have been a great representation of repressed and traumatized children, but she just ended up being an overrated character with the personality of cardboard.
perfectly articulated!
Elsa is more of a mascot than a character compared to Anna. She's really only popular because of her appearance and hit song.
EXACTLY
That and how little girls fawn over princesses, whether they're good role models or not.
This is the first time when I see someone agreeing with me. Everyone called me crazy because I said: "Ana had way more screentime than Elsa. Doesn't that make her the main character?". Their only argument was the title of the movie is "Frozen" and nothing elese.
I know the movies title! But the only character with magic ice powers is behind her walls almost 90% of the time, we know nothing about her.
I'm very sorry to hear that.
Elsa isn't the protagonist of Frozen. She basically isn't even in act 2 of Frozen. Of course she's not as fleshed out as Anna.
I’m just like her, I pushed my boyfriend who is now my ex away, and the people I care about away. When I see Elsa, I see myself. I mean I don’t have powers, I’m just scared of being hurt.
They need to give her more character she doesn’t have much ATTITUDE💅
Elsa´s role would be "damsel in distress"
I can definitely see your point and for the most part, everything you said makes sense. I can only speak for myself, but the reason I love Elsa and why she’s one of my favorites is because she seemed like a fresh take on a Disney Princess. Looking at the princesses in general, they have their flaws but for the most part, they’re all good hearted, selfless women who bring about positive change everywhere they go. Elsa doesn’t really do this for the most part. She’s rather selfish, keeps to herself and a tragic backstory makes her captivating. She makes sense given her situation. Ironically, it makes her seem more real. Many of the Disney Princesses have some pretty messed up lives but still turn out perfectly fine. With Elsa, we see the consequences of her parent’s actions play out through her behavior.
I see where you're coming from but I disagree. Elsa does have a role: the damsel in distress, the princess who is saved by the hero, which coincidentally is quite similar to other princess films, but the roles are simply mixed up a bit. She shows a woman who seem to have a lot of power struggle yet still with deeper issues. She serves the fantasy of being saved, protected, and cared for for many people. She thought the only way out was to remove herself from society in general, which is something many people especially can relate to nowadays, that's what earned her popularity.
Elsa is basically the Bella Swann of Disney
I like frozen (not frozen 2, it sucks) and I like Elsa too. But I don't think Elsa is really well written. Of course people can like a character even though it's not well written. Elsa's character has a few problems. 1) she doesn't have a personality at all. 2) Anna has more main character potential. Okey, when you look at Anna, you can say some stuff about her character. She is emotional, kinda quirky, excited etc. You can do the same thing for Kristoff and Olaf too. But Elsa... I know how is she like but I can't find correct words to explain her character. Her whole thing in the film was that dress and hair transformation. But when we look at Anna, she has a character development, she has a personality, Even if you like Elsa more, you feel more emotional connection with Anna. You understand her character better. Elsa's problem is her character presentation. I feel like this story is not about Elsa. It's not about her runaway, her struggling, her acceptance. It's about Anna. Her adventure while she's finding her sister.
Social isolation isn't something she does to herself. It's something she was told to do because her parents panick and misunderstand the trolls. That is the reason for every action Elsa makes.
Loosing her cool pretty much instantly had me 🤣🤣🤣 because as stated in the last sentence indirectly, her parents actions drove her to this panic mode by keeping her isolated.
I never felt there was a star of the film. Elsa was always the antagonist (which is why her sister is the protagonist), by way of her parents bad parenting. The video is confusing what antagonist means with what villain means. A villain is an antagonist, but an antagonist isn't always a villain (but sometimes can be). In this story, Elsa is an antagonist, not a villain, but the characters percieve her as the villain, which allows the real villain (Hans -who is the villain and therefore also a secret antagonist) to nearly get away with things. And even if she was a villain, there is nothing wrong with more than one of something, like this video seems to think.
Elsa needed her sister to help her. That doesn't mean she didn't do anything. Elsa works on the issues/fear her parents instilled in her, which, when she does is why _Let It Go_ hits and how she subverts the expectations of being everything the video is trying to say she is. The point is that she fights against what her parents instilled in her and wins that emotional battle, and when she thinks Anna is dead works. It's realistic to how people could act in real life.
Anna showing Elsa love is how to control her powers doesn't mean it was all Anna's doing. I 🤣🤣🤣 at that as well. It a realization for Elsa that goes against what her parents were telling her. Making these realizations and fixing the mistakes she caused doesn't make Elsa a nothing character. It redeems her from antagonist to hero with her sister's help. Not in spite of her sister's help.
I feel like the video is unintentially saying people who don't fit in don't matter. Elsa feels this way and has to learn to feel good about herself after being locked away by her parents. Anna helping her doesn't mke Elsa suck or useless to the story.
Elsa has an emotional battle while Anna struggles physically while dealing with some gult she's not responsible for. Elsa telling her she isn't responsible helps Anna just as much as Anna helps Elsa. The two help each other. I feel the video is igoring half the story because it only sees a one-dimensional story. Looking at Elsa like she does nothing and therefore sucks is making her seem said one-dimensionally, and only seeing her popularity as a cool dress, song, powers, and is on all the merchandise is a way to not see the full picture. I'm more confused as to why this channel looks at things so one-dimensionally while describing that they aren't. I see some other videos on the channel and think this is a clickbait/complain channel.
The video's real issue is that it sees the stregnth of Elsa's writing as a weakness because it's not thinking of the full story and/or only looking at it the way someone who only sees some of the picture does. And as stated before, the video's describing th full picture, just not seeing it.
So glad to see more people criticise her character for being lacking and not very likeable. I get she was scared, but rather than overcoming her fear, Anna just...hands her the solution. And then if we count the second movie, she clearly hasn't learnt anything and keeps pushing people away so she can run off on her own. Ultimately she gives up her responsibilities completely, which okay, ruling isn't for everyone and clearly Anna would make a better ruler at this point, but it just goes to show how Elsa never really had an arc other than being less freaked out by her powers because of Anna in the first movie and because she was told they were a gift in the second movie.
I kinda think pretty privilege is playing a role on her part cuz I’ve always felt the same way about Elsa…. I like her but I feel Anna’s a bit underrated and she Anna can be sometimes annoying actually but yh 😊
Finally, someone who feels the same way I do about this over-hyped character
In my opinion, I like Elsa a lot better in Frozen II than in Frozen I.
Bro forgot to watch Frozen 2-
Anna is the protagonist, so I'm confused by this. Elsa is more developed than most damsels. It's actually kind of great (but not really unprecedented) that the character with powers is not the main character.
Everything Elsa does is whatever is closest to running away. There I summed her up in one sentence without subtlety..
Honestly I only watched frozen for anna
I mean she is totally overrated
Now that I think about it, I don't think I ever actually considered Elsa the main character in Frozen 😅 (I don't think I've seen Frozen in years though)
I think that villain type for her would work too well i mean it was the first thing in story they try to do and im all here for her character to turn from an evil frozen queen to a good person but she didnt it was just such a miss spot on the story that i always want to happen ugh 😫
Am I the only one who thought Anna was the main character
Mas ela é
I ALWAYS DID
She’s very bland and the movie should have focused on Anna and Elsa. Kristoff and Sven shouldn’t have been in the movie.
Elsa was a villain character who had her story changed last second and given cheap merchandising qualities instead. That’s why she literally runs away from all her problems, and relies on the plot to grant her a resolution that is unearned.
I loved the character of Elsa and her potential, but Let It Go changed both her and the story for the worst.
I agree with most of your points. It's one of the reasons I'm not that fond of Let It Go; it was the hammer that destroyed the house.
Elsa é tipo a Aurora, ela é o enredo, mas em personagem em si, ela não é bem a protagonista. A diferença é que a Elsa realmente não é protagonista, a Anna é.
I don't think Elsa is the main character.
I Like Elsas independent side of her
I hate that there's no consequences for Elsa's actions... the citizens of Erendale are all npcs... after the king and queen die, no servant or citizen is seen talking with Anna or Elsa at all. If Elsa shut herself in, wouldn't the kingdom be in danger of rebellion or panic due to not having a suitable leader.......or look for someone to lead the kingdom because Elsa is a shut in and Anna is nuts and clumsy/naive. Yet at the end we're supposed to believe everyone just accepted Elsa? Maybe they would've accepted her had she proven herself, but because of her poor choices she comes off as unstable or scary.
I think she is exactly what u said " a nothing character".
I think she's popular cause of her "badgirl" song Let it Go. Since she was originally supposed to be the badguy, I think a lot of her character kind of got left behind cause they switched her to be a good guy. So she is now a good guy with absolutely no substance. She should have been a sympathetic badguy. But, imo, Frozen is one of the most overrated films ever made. It's cute, but it is a very sloppy movie when it comes to thw writing, it was obviously rewritten and changed quite a few times, and in the end its this disjointed mess. I honestly believe some of the reason they decided to make elsa a good guy was due to them realizing they could market and sell, not just one princess , but TWO! And it worked.
And personally, I can't stand elsa and Anna's relationship. I find it so forced, and so cloying. Yuck. Anyways
The cut song 'life's too short' actually makes me like Elsa a little bit.
Me too! It actually gave her some personality and made her feel more complex.
@@chrysanthemumcat2791exactly why I wish they keep that song Intead of going with the one they did tbh
I think it's important to remember that Elsa is mostly aimed at girls who are/were the same age I was when I thought Cars 2 was one of the best movies ever just because it had cars with spy gear and a catchy guitar theme. Kids that age don't really think about character depth or plot or anything; most Elsa fangirls probably just thought "wow, she's pretty and can sing and build stuff out of ice! I want to be like her!" And most likely, many of those fangirls, as they grew older and got sucked into feminism, just came up with some justification as to why Elsa is a "symbol of empowerment" to explain how their nostalgia somehow lines up with their current worldview.
My parents said a few similar things, and let me tell ya, I got very upset. Reasoning like that is exactly why we have garbage like Norm of the North and the Alpha and Omega sequels, because the people behind those movies had the exact same mentality. "Oh, this movie is for kids, and kids don't care about the plot, so it doesn't matter how we write it!"
No, no, no, no. It does matter. It matters a great deal in filmmaking. If you ask me, it's BECAUSE movies like this are for kids that the story should be made the best it can be, BECAUSE kids don't care about the plot and don't know any better. That way, they can enjoy the stuff in the movie about which they do care, without having their IQs lowered or being influenced in a bad way. It's a counterintuitive idea, but one that I think works well. Why else did a lot of old Disney movies get so popular?
Elsa is set up for a lot of stuff but next to nothing is followed through
Point is, I agree with you Smarty Pants
Elsa is macguffin.
Damn right she is. I always liked Anna better.
I loved Elsa’s hair and that beautiful dress, as a kid 🥰
I feel like you're right, but she could be interesting as the villain. Making her the villain at the last minute, but instead of her turning to good at the last minute, have the sequel her as the villian
Anna would think Elsa died from something like her fall into ice, then hears a siren call or someone from another kingdom go to her since Elsa is in a frozen kingdom and she kills all who steps in
Have the trolls be the cause of her getting magic, but also have her anger and fear be the reason of it making her evil
Lilo and nani>>>elsa and anna
Elsa is just a waifu and not a well developed character
I wouldn't call her boring...but I would say that she is in a desparate need of more screentime.
was not a fan of elsa in the first movie and her song i belive is a song about coming out
Mind you, I didn't watch this movie for a long time because what I really wanted was an adaptation of "The Snow Queen."
100 agree
4:35 this point and all this video finally someone notices yes!!!!!!!!!!
Character development isn't really a thing for Disney Princesses. How does Snow White develop?
I agree
I don't like Frozen. Make Elsa an Antihero through the whole film. That would have solved so much. But nope, we can't let "Let it go" be a villain song. We must make a 180°-change. We can't make a kind of prequel to H.C.A story "The Snowqueen". Elsa must get a happy ending.
Good song, nice dress.
I could remember how amazing I felt when she started singing let it go,
It felt like I'm a little bird flying all over the clouds~
To me, as a 12 year old that was enough to replay her song over and over and Ofc talking about her non-stop.
In my eyes the most famous thing about Frozen it is Let It Go song.
I agree not knowing what character role Elsa fits in Frozen, I know there was a trope for it, but I can’t remember it, if anything she is a more complex/burdened character. Maybe with a bit of being a lancer I guess as lancer characters are more complex in their emotions, I could be wrong.
Tbh I find both Anna and Elsa pretty flawed in how they both try to solve their problems between one another. With Elsa, she needs to learn to take her time and confront the problem while asking for help along the way, it’s not going to be easy, but as long as she keeps trying. With Anna she is pushing to communicate with her sister a little too hard, as in the first film, if anyone remembers, Grandpapi the troll took away Anna’s memories of Elsa having powers but left the fun, hence she no longer knows that Elsa has powers but remembers the things like building a snowman and ice-skating.
Elsa’s actions are inexcusable, but fear and anxiety are understandable, as during their time, her powers can be seen in a (mostly) negative light like sorcery or making nice with Satan. Her powers are a bit of an allegory to LGBTQ or mental health, she doesn’t know if her sister will react positively towards her having powers like she did when they were younger now that she doesn’t remember, it could be different, and it doesn’t help on how her parents sheltered her away after the accident. But like I said this doesn’t excuse Elsa actions, there is a better way to fix what has been broken, example, as we all know Elsa can, to some extent control her powers when she is calm while having the gloves on or off as we saw during her coronation, so what she could have done is casually, at her own pace, begin to reopen up to Anna, whether that be going for strolls or chilling around the castle while keeping her gloves on, and talking with Anna and rekindling their broken relationship, and as time goes on, she could tell Anna about what happened and her powers when she feels ready. Sound familiar? It’s literally a ‘coming out when ready’ scenario when in the closet there is no need for shutting out others and ruining relationships, just getting to know someone at your own pace and telling them when you feel ready. Elsa just need guidance and therapy and her parents did a terrible job at that after the accident.
Anna, she did most of the right things so far, one thing I loved that Anna did is how she was patient with Elsa throughout the years and would check up on her on occasions to ask if she was ready to reconnect, so her outburst at the coronation was completely understandable, honestly in the first movie I had no complaints with her in the first movie (except for the getting married to someone she just met), the second movie, I just didn’t like how so concerned she was about Elsa and how clingy she was. Like Elsa is trying to step into understanding herself and figuring herself out, but Anna won’t leave her alone for a moment, when they were on an adventure to the forest, that’s somewhat understandable, but she also needs to know that there are some things that only Elsa can do, like crossing the sea to find the voice, or dealing with the raging spirits, like girl, it’s your turn to step back and chill, you solved the issue in the first movie, let Elsa solve this one in the second, she just needs to be there to support her on her adventure and help when Elsa needs it while knowing what she can’t handle and letting Elsa help her.
In conclusion, both characters have their flaws, but are completely human flaws, if anything both just needed proper guidance from a therapist on mending their relationship.
Asha in Wish is unlikeable along with every other character in Wish aside from King Magnifico
Honestly Elsa had the potencial of being a good character but a part from ‘let it go’ which is a song that I love she doesn’t get other scenes alone, it is all about Anna saving the kingdom.
Elsa is relatable for not people with ice powers but for people who don't think they fit in...and in some cases want to isolate themselves to protect others around them because they're genuinely afraid of themselves and don't trust their own presence around people for the misleading upbringing (could be many reasons of caution and trauma). She's literally just by herself from being a child to adulthood. I think the portrayal of her very obvious mental issues are quite realistic. In Frozen and Frozen 2 many seem to think Elsa is a selfish character, but I think people who do Love her actually see where she's coming from. She knows she's somewhere doesn't belong. Overcoming her issues and finding herself as who she really is....that's what's empowering about her. When she's around people you can see how terribly scared and anxious she is opposed to her being alone, because that's all she's ever known, what do You do when even You are scared of Yourself? How do You trust yourself when no one actually has and all You know is to back away and not deal with it. There are so many people who suffer from their mental health and are scared to look up. Sometimes You just need to see someone like that in the big screen and see them break-free from a cage of terrible emotions and darkness that they feel they're locked in. She doesn't fit the role of a Protagonist Hero in any way, and that is for Anna, but she does fit the role of making people (metaphorically) quite like her feel accepted just by seeing them and being portrayed as someone who is strong because she allowed herself to be loved and to love. To people who can relate to this....She's their Hero. (She definitely needed more screen time though, it's on the creators)
Elsa is barely even paper thick of a character. I enjoy her magic & Idina Menzel’s vocals. Her as a character? Meh. 🫤 Thank God people started realizing Anna was much better, character wise.
Character, charisma, sympathy, personality, identification...
Totally Random Fact #5:
Everyone ranting about Elsa when in reality Anna is supposed to be the main character of the first movie, yet nobody knows this
E ela é, só que como a Elsa é mais popular entre crianças e Frozen é um filme infantil, ela INFELIZMENTE ganhou mais destaque em Frozen 2
E com o cão daquela música
@@_cristalieyou are right
I love your channel! Great video! I guess Frozen just leaves us frozen in our monds as to what the main character is worth?😅😅😅
She’s just a waifu. That’s all
very nice video 0:27
Elsa is the Mcguffin
Elsa is the plot
How though?
judy and nick>>>>elsa and anna
Nick Cheney
Totally wrong
She is the best person in this movie
@@ShathyshivaniShanthythe entire movie sucks 🧍♀️ (imo)
@@ShathyshivaniShanthy How though?
headcannon worth investigating. Elsa (like Hans Christian Andersen) is autistic. And the story is about her coming out from behind her mask and self actualising pulls heart strings hard among people that understand that.
Its bizarre that elsa and anna's parents are treated like saints when they literally locked their daughters up in the castle and made sure their oldest was terrified of everything
I'd like to hear your take on some other Zagtoon cartoons like Zak Storm, Power Players, or Ghostforce. Or maybe some popular anime like Naruto. It seems like you need to watch some better cartoons.
Risking it all I see i haven't even watched the vid yet the title alone brought me here 😂 Smarty Pants is always Entertaining ❤🔥
SURPRISE THEY ARE MAKING A THIRD ONE 👁️👄👁️
They’re probably going to turn Elsa black
yeah best to end in a trilogy
*facepalm*
@@Outlander69 11 months later I still nod at this
I honestly did not understand the hype around this movie. A better example of dealing with anxiety and pressure/stress is Inside Out. Frozen tries to address “unseen villains,” but brushed it aside with “love cures all” cliche. The story was lacking for me and just didn’t feel thought out.
Elsa’s character annoyed me so badly. She never actually worked through her trauma of being told to fear her potential. Her parents didn’t prepare her AT ALL, and Elsa just accepts that she needs to be alone until the very end of the movie. The whole “sisterly love” thing just didn’t feel earned or impactful enough to me. I didn’t watch the 2nd because previews suggested the exact same issue as the 1st - Elsa wants to run off on her own and doesn’t wanna accept her sister’s help. 🙄
Elsa doesn't suck, you just don't have the necessary empathy to get her character and your analysis tools are shallow.
1:51 I see what you did there! 🤣🤣🤣🥶
i agree with you, elsa gets angry or annoyed and have her parents calm her down before they board the ship and died in a storm and some people consider her to be ruler of the whole entire castle after the king and queen died and now she's queen.
her becoming queen is a mistake, but i'm glad she passed down her queenship to anna her little sister in frozen 2.