I will never complain about more options! I'm really impressed with how well Nikon has fleshed out the Z-mount. It feels like just yesterday we were all complaining about their decision to release the Noct before several staple lenses. Now, I can only really think of two or three more "mainstream" lenses that are missing: the long-awaited 35mm f1.2 (the only lens listed on the roadmap that has yet to be released), a fast prime in the 200-300mm range, and a fast ultra-wide (think Sony 14mm f1.8). This give me hope that we will be seeing even more specialized lenses in the not-so-distant future. I'm hoping for a new array of perspective control primes!
As an owner of a 400mm 4.5 + 1.4TC.. If it got stolen, broken, or whatever, I'm not sure I'd replace that combination with this 600 6.3 for an extra $1000.... Yes it's perfect, but the 400 + 1.4 is really no slouch. What really throws a wrench in there is that 180-600 6.3 exists, and exists for really cheap (in comparison). Is that lens perfect? No, but it's still really good, and we all know the sharpness difference won't make or break a shot. Talk about having options! Nikon's KILLING IT! Also, thanks for having the best wildlife TH-cam channel on the planet. You back up the technical expertise with exceptional photos. It's unusual to see such techies who are ALSO great artists.
and don't throw out the G mount 500 pf or even with the extra weight the amazing 400 f2.8. I rented the 400 f2.8 E FL for a trip to Botswana, it was some getting used to the weight and size, but man, the images were next level. for day to day, yes the 180-600 or the 400 f4.6 (that I won) is great for walking around etc. However, I will not go on another "serious" photography trip without a 400 f2.8, on the Z9/8 the detail and general rendering of the images are next level. I cannot justify the expense to buy a 400 f2.8 TC.
The 600pf is sharper at 600mm than the 400 f4.5 with 1.4tc @ 560mm. The 600pf is also sharper at 840mm with 1.4tc than the 400 f4.5 @800mm with 2xTC.. 600pf Seems to be a better lens overall
Depends on what you call long. 600mm lenses are kind of a dime a dozen. Everyone makes a 600mm or ###-=600 zoom. The PF 800 is bad ass.... but then Nikon doesn't make a pro level APS-C body, so you are still stuck with a straight 800mm. I've taken about 130K shots with a Canon 1280mm (equivalent) combo in the last year. Feels pretty normal to me now. I just want a more "pro level combo" that can do the same thing. And I'm not brand loyal. BTW, I don't shoot stuff a long ways away. I shoot small stuff, preferably from 25-30 ft.
@@Chris_Wolfgram I can flip my Z8 to DX crop (19mpix) with a single button whenever I need more than 800mm. Easy & works like a charm. More than enough for web applications as well. Personally I'll skip the 600PF because I already have 400 4.5 / 800 6.3 and TC1.4. Can't justify 400/600TC. Brand loyal or not - you have to admit no other manufacturer offers native long lens lineup comparable to Nikon at the moment (especially the PF lenses or lenses with built in TCs).
@@lukeszczepanski2240 yes, my 45mp R5 could be used as a 17mp crop sensor also. I tried that for a bit too. But my R7 is a crop sensor 32 mp camera ! Which is more mp's for a crop sensor camera, than any other camera on the market. It would take a FF camera with 80mp to match it in crop mode. When the R7 Mk II comes out, I'd be okay if it were still 32mp's, but 35 or 40 would be okay too. Not sure what the physical limits are for a crop sensor? Btw, I'm super envious of your 800 F6.3 ! I have to imagine Nikon will eventually come out with a crop sensor similar to the R7. And that would be my dream combo. I'd jump straight to that. Honestly, I think this is more likely than Canon coming out with its own version of the PF 800 F6.3....
As a DSLR shooter, who has his dream lenses, and a stable of excellent cameras, and has NO interest in going mirrorless, I'm sticking with my 500PF! I always appreciate your details, and comments, though! Please keep up the great work! - Doc
You really are the best nature photography reviewer out there. I'm a nature photography hobbyist, thinking of maybe going full time in the future. I'm still using my good ol' D500 and tamron 150-600, but I dropped the gear once on ice and even though it went through repairs, the lens doesn't want to acquire focus anymore. So I'm dreaming of buying Z8/Z9 and probably the 180-600 as a starter. But I mostly photograph birds, so I'm not sure if I should just save my money and go straight for the 800mm PF. 600 doesn't seem to be enough for me, as I'm almost always cropping. But together the 180-600 and 800 would cover most situations.
I'm a D500 shooter too but have the Nikon 200-500mm. It has been a great lens but my copy is getting a bit dusty and I fear might even have a slight bit of fungus. I plan on getting the 500pf but can't help feeling that I should be saving for a z8 and perhaps the 800pf like yourself. Trouble is I can't really justify the cost when my D500 is still fairly new and is a beast of a camera.
@@cabelas1987 I have the same D500/200-500 lens combo and have been facing the same quandary. After way too research, way to much thought, and agonizing over which way to go, my always supportive wife asked if I had finally made a decision. I told her that once my skills as a photographer outstrip my camera's capabilities, I would probably make a change, but not until then. Without a word she left the room, than came back with my old D200 in her hands, dropped it in my lap and said, "good decision, let me know when you are ready".
Man Steve, you are the best! Whenever a new lens gets released this is the channel I got straight to! Hands down the best info and review and I get all my questions answered…hell even ones I didn’t have! You’re one of the most trustworthy guys out there too, take care and thanks again!
I agree & think it’s great that Nikon are hitting the long lens market out of the ball park, but why not concentrate fulfilling the orders for the lenses they’ve already announced & released!
Great review Steve! I loved the herons and Anhingas from Florida. I was almost determined to get an 800 PF, but the versatility and low weight of this lens make me reconsider.
Thanks so much for the awesome video. I would like to see the comparison between 600PF and 400 f4.5 with 1.4 tc. 400mm is overall more versatility with using tc's, albeit with loss of some sharpness
No , more versatile how? The 400 4.5 isn't great with the 2x extender, which is required for 800mm. The 600pf handles 840mm better , only requiring 1.4tx for 840mm reach. Therefore I feel the 600pf is more versatile in the long end from 600-840mm
Oh my oh my, now a real quandary for the second time this year. D850 to Z8 and 500PF to 600PF on the horizon. I'll have to check out the shipping in the UK. Thanks Steve as always seriously out in front again. Nikon really have faith in you.
Yet again, you’ve knocked it out of the park Steve. There’s a very good reason Nikon let you use it in advance. I wonder how many 180-600mm buyers now regret it? Still happy with my Z100-400, Z800 & ZTC1.4x combination. I miss the quality of the F400 2.8 but don’t miss the weight!
@@uaebifvideo5472 Suggest you read some of the comments. People are cancelling their 180-600mm orders. Of course it depends on how much money you have, but this lens really muddies the waters. For those who can’t afford the 600TC, this lens maybe within their reach. Launching so soon after the 180-600 makes it a conundrum for some.
I am using 600TC for the last couple of months. I thought in the first this 600PF lens will be will be the nearest alternative. Yes, it is true but for sure, the TC option to be able switch to 840mm is totally something else. 9K dollar difference can be paid even for the TC option only. I thought you did not deeply focus on this but for sure every knows this. I believe F4 for 600TC vs f6,3 is still way better and a huge difference. I wonder what the Sony and especially Canon users are saying after Nikons' launching of so many high-end lenses. I think although the late introduction of eye tracking system with z9 was a great disappointment, today the answer of Nikon has been really great. I am happy that I did not switch to other brands. Thank you Steve for such professional presentation.
Between the 100-400, 400 f4.5, 180-600 and this 600pf it is going to be a tough choice for me once Nikon actually gets around to making a mirrorless D500, incredible range of options. For the time being though my 500pf is serving me quite well and will likely continue to do so since I am a used market buyer.
Great video as always Steve. Thank you. This was the lens I was waiting on, for so long! I ended up getting the 400mm f4.5 + 1.4TC, so curious how this stacks up.
Great video! Now curious what other lenses are not on the roadmap :) Also echo previous comment re 400 f/4.5 + 1.4TC - would be cool if when you test your production copy you could share your thoughts on comparing 600PF with that combo. Thanks again for all your excellent videos!
I would actually be comparing it to the 400 f/4.5 + 1.4x TC combo. $3200 + $400-500 @ 560 f/6.3 vs $4800 @ 600 f/6.3. Is the AF speed and IQ improved enough to warrant an extra $1100-1200. Now If I get the 600 I won't sell my 400 f/4.5, I'll just stop using with the 1.4x TC. The 400 is even lighter and that extra stop of speed is very welcome in lower light. I think it's more a matter should this be nearly $5K for f/6.3. IMO no, either it's f/5.6 even if a few hundred dearer, or it's around $4200 for f/6.3.
Nikon publishes MTF charts for their lenses. The MTF of this lens looks quite impressive! It should be significantly sharper than the 180-600 at 600m and therefore allow more cropping and also produce better results with teleconverters.
Make a comparison video with 500 pf, z 400 f4.5+1.4xTC, z 180-600, z 600 f4 and with the z 800 pf. I'm really looking forward to the z 180-600 and want to see the sharpness differences between these two lenses
Great review, Steve. Looks like a great choice for a lot of people. The pricing is almost exactly where you would expect between the 400mm f/4.5 and 800mm PF.
Great video and interesting comparison of the major lens. I just bought the 180-600 lens as the affordable flexibility lens for Airshows and BIF. As you mentioned, it would be a nice setup to have the both the zoom and 600PF to cover your new needs. I wish Nikon had listed this lens on the road map/possible release date. Great info Steve !!
I agree - it's tough to know what to buy when you don't know all the options. I've known about this lens for the last month or so and it's incredibly difficult when people ask me about this lens or that lens when I know the 600PF is really the best fit.
Just got this one instead of the 180-600. Reason is easy, weight, weight and weight. Lighter means faster aiming and since action generally happens quick and unexpected it means way more action shots
Really didn’t see this one coming Steve, not sure what else Nikon can offer now!😀 Perhaps a D500 Z replacement! Thanks for all the info, much appreciated! 👏👍😀
First off congratulations on being picked by Nikon to do a first review on this lens. Wow, for those of us that can only afford one long telephoto. This makes the choice all that much more difficult.
Absolutely a wonderful review... I keep saying it and I will say it again... Your images are just a treat to watch... If nothing else I would watch your reviews for your work... And you point out so many great things...
I am a Nikon turned Canon shooter, considering to come back to Nikon due to this lens. Canon has had a series of silences in response to the excellent affordable lenses Nikon has released for wildlife. The latest rumor of the 200-800 f63-9 might be the last straw to make me jump the ship. While affordability is subjective, this lens can be called really affordable considering what it delivers and where it sits amongst the big lenses.
I think for most people if they already have the 500 PF, as a hobbyist, there is no need to rush out and get the 600 6.3 lens because both perform similarly in terms of sharpness and autofocus speed but of course the 6.3 is 100mm longer, I would say photography wise, it won’t make sense to upgrade but I reckon if you do a lot of video, the stabilization of this 600 would be much better because it has sync Is with the body that the f mount lens just isn’t as good if doing handheld video work. Being a 500 PF owner, I can’t justify the cost at the moment because it is most likely twice the price of most second hand 500 PF and even some in mint condition.
I think this makes a good companion lens for 100-400 owners looking for something longer without overlapping what they already have - would make sense for people shooting mostly larger wildlife. I mostly shoot small birds and for me the 180-600 + 800 combo would be a pretty great setup, if I had piles of cash lying around spare 😅Nice to see Nikon continuing to show they have the best selection of telephoto lenses in the mirrorless world, though it'd be nice to see a few of the odder third party offerings pop up too, like the Sigma 60-600.
Another review well done !! Started looking at the 600TC a while back, then the 180-600 came out. Good thing I didn't jump because this lens (600PF) now seems to make more sense that the other two. Can't wait to see a more in depth comparison done. Thanks Steve.........appreciate all the hard work you do !!
Was contemplating canceling my 180-600 and buying the 600pf or 800 instead. Perfect timing on the video. Also love the idea of setting control ring for ISO, gonna give that a shot.
I'd have been all over this lens just a month ago. The 180-600mm really exceeded my expectations. No preorder on this for me. Open to reconsidering first time it goes on sale. I own the 500mm pf and 800mm pf already. Love them both so it was hard to not hit the preorder early this morning...even harder after watching your video. Thanks Steve!
Thank you - this is fantastic! Would love to see a comparison of the bokeh with the 500pf but without cropping but instead moving closer to get the same frame which you can sometimes do (not always of course).
Great review, Steve. Thank you. Your photographs inspire me. I'm amazed with all the shots you got to publish here with just one full day's use. I'm sticking for now with my 100-400 and 1.4 TC, but when I need more I'm coming back to this review over and over. As a beginner bird photographer, I'd probably start with the 180-600 until I needed to step up, and then the 600mm f/6.3 would be great for me.
Thanks so much! I work hard to get those photos and it's a TON of pressure. We always scout out locations a couple days before Nikon gets there so we have some idea of where things are happening, but luck plays a larger role than I'd like!
The 600mm PF and 800mm PF are intriguing options and your summary of the pros/cons of each is much appreciated. I will suggest you consider making the following update to the comparison chart you use. I will suggest you change the top line from "f-stop" to "f-stop/entrance pupil diameter." The top line in the current chart shows "f-stop" and you've accurately listed both lenses as having an f/6.3 maximum f-stop. However, it's not f-stop, per se, that determines depth of field and light-gathering. The 600mm f/6.3 PF has a (600/6.3=95.23) 95mm entrance pupil diameter. The 800mm f/6.3 PF has a (800/6.3=126.98) 127mm entrance pupil diameter. That's a significantly larger virtual aperture and should mean the 800mm delivers better backgrounds and improved low light performance in comparison with the images of the same subject made with both lenses at f/6.3. The difference in performance should be fairly noticeable when a photo made with the 600mm is cropped to match the 800mm lens's angle of view or when the 600mm is used with a TC to roughly match the 800mm angle of view. Of course, I'll defer to the experience you have in the field using lenses of different focal lengths and f-stops. That said, if your field and test results do align with the lens having the larger entrance pupil diameter routinely showing creamier backgrounds and having better low light performance, I'll recommend you consider modifying the first line of the chart. In this case, the 800mm PF would have the advantage :) Happy New Year!
Great stuff, Steve, as always! I only heard rumors about this lens recently and was surprised to see it released for sale today. Bit the bullet and put it on preorder. Will be trading in my beloved 500pf, but this new lens looks like one I will love just as much!
The pf lenses Nikon has been putting out, both F and now Z mount, have been amazing so yet again my wallet just got smacked when it wasn't expecting it. :) The size I think was the tipping point for me as lately I've been shooting wild horses from inside my jeep and the 800 is just slightly on the awkward end of the scale while inside. Thanks for the thoughts on this lens Steve, looking forward to you getting your own copy so you and do your typical review/comparison.
Probably couldn't do it with a pre-production copy. Usually you can't directly compare image quality. Practically, the native 600mm may be marginally sharper, but not so much to justify the extra expense if a 400 works for you most of the time, and you occasionally need to reach further.
i guess it was not wished to compare the 400 4.5 with 1.4 tc as it produces almost 600mm with 6.3 and Nikon itself states you wont loose IQ using the tc's
@@matthiasscheurer8498I own the 400 f4.5 and the 2x TC, and can confirm you absolutely do lose IC. Not a huge amount, but I’ve found myself usually just cropping in
@@DBWPhoto i do own the 400 F4.5 and the 1.4 TC, i just wonder, why the comparison was not part of the video, even if this is one of the most obvious ones... Nikon itself stresses the fact, that there is no loss of IQ if you are using the TC's. i guess its hard to justify buying the 400 and TC and now buying the 600 on top. And for the videos of all the 'ambassadors' that come out in the next few hours and days, the story should not be if you already own the 400 f4.5 and a tc, there is no use for a 600 6.3...
@@matthiasscheurer8498 I understand, but Nikon can stress it doesn’t reduce IQ/C all they want, in my own personal testing that’s not what I’ve found with the 2x - there is definitely greater fuzziness. I only use the 2X when filming now, if it’s still images I stick to 400 and crop
Thanks Steve as always, exceptional commentary and insights, as this was a bit of a surprise (at this time) Nikon has completely filled the lens lineup for sports and bird photographers. Now Nikon can finally "Focus" on some lenses at the wide end of the spectrum and some specialty lenses, tilt/shift, Long Macro, Super wide angle etc. Take care and I am pleased Nikon is giving you the opportunity to try out these new lenses ahead of time. - Jeff
Great video ❤ as usual you are the first, An interesting lens for someone like me who carries a 400mm lens in his bag and needs a longer range at the best cost and a lens like this is very interesting.
Nice one Steve. I was wondering, as others pointed out, what about 400 f4.5 with 1.4 TC? About the same focal length/f stop, and without the "interesting" properties of PF background, and of course, "two" focal lengths (400 and ~600) in one lens.... Have been thinking about completely moving into native glass but there are so many choices even accounting for the price point !! Hope that comparison will come once you get your copy of 600 pf :)
Nice review. However, I believe Z 400mm f4.5 plus TC 1.4 (560mm f6.3) seems much better. This combination cost less. Similar focal length, same aperture and less weight. Besides, it is more flexible as you can use Z 400 f4.5 alone if you want to gather more light. I think this new lens is not attractive in consideration of its high price.
Great piece of objective. However, I would say a bit on the expensive side. The price difference to the 800 pf is relatively small and rather large to the 500 pf. So unless one has the urge to switch completely to Z mount - I would instead stay with the 500 pf and get the 800 pf which I guess will outperform both the 500 pf and the 600 pf with converters.
As always, so great to have these new lens reviews coming from you, Steve; no BS youtube videos!!! :) Yet another lens to consider as I wait for the 600 TC and as the most indecisive guy on the planet, this tortures me LOL 800 pf? 180-600? 600 6.3? or the sell-a-kidney-to-afford-it 600 TC? ... Again, thanks for this. Cheers!
Great work from Nikon to present so many options. The price point, however, might be a bit above the level for many. That is where the 180-600 will cover it for many. All Nikon now needs is a Z6iii with a 33 mp sensor and the Focus system of the Z8 to give the "mid range" price point shooters the Nikon version of the Sony A9ii, Canon R6ii.
This is the lens I was hoping for. I just canceled the 180-600mm because the 600mm fits better with the 100-400mm for me and with the 1.4x teleconverter option, I don't need the 800mm anymore. Great but I fear the delivery times will be exorbitantly long again.
Great video as usual Steve! I think you can create a fitness workout for those that wish to pursue wildlife photography. The Run and gun moves you demonstrated were pretty darned good. There a some great exercises for forearms I swear by. Pronated and supernated wrist curls (wooden pole) and lateral twist with a wooden pole. Two weeks and you will notice a huge difference since forearm strength increases quickly.
Great review with tons of spot on observations. I completely relate to the comments about f5.6 vs f6.3. It's a big ask, but is a comparison between this lens+1.4tc and 800pf a possibility down the road?
Once again you nailed a great review on a new lens. While I find this lens interesting I will go with the 180-600 (safari trip coming up) for sheer convenience of a zoom but will probably end up getting the 600 later. The key points seem to make it worth it.
Thanks, Steve. Great review, as always. I really appreciate that you don't accept any financial benefit from manufacturers. I think that's a rarity these days and I always wonder if (even unconscious) bias slips in with other reviewers.
Moved from the Sony a1 & 200-600 as a walk around birding and bird tour lens to the OM-1 & 150-400. I miss some FF aspects, but OM system is a pound lighter and much better balanced. And has a much better balance. A Z8 with 600PF is a tempting alternative.
Very nice review , you really do an excellent job. For me this sounds to be the logical choice as I'm a serious hobbiest not pro. If I could swing the cost I would probably go with the 600TC, but again not making money off my work couldn't justify the cost. Thanks for a straight forward review.
I'm a Sony shooter and quite envious of Nikon's offerings in the prime long lens category for these price points. Wake up Sony!!...Great video Steve!! Thanks!
First off, thanks for your wonderful videos! This is going to be a popular lens. I’ll stick with my 800 PF but had I’d known about this lens I probably would have waited. The size and weight are the best features for me. The f/6.3 isn’t the end of the world and I always take into consideration the distance of the background for the best image. I guess it’s just me but a draw back to f/4…in my opinion…is the slender DOF; don’t like sharp eyes and blurry beaks. 🙂Again thanks for all you do to help us get better results.
Another great review, Steve, even with the limited time and access to test the lens. Nikon sure is giving some great choices for birds, wildlife and action. As an amateur without budget constraints, my GAS keeps shifting between the big fast - expensive - primes with their built in TCs and the more affordable, slightly less fast and much lighter versions - the 400 4.5, this one or the 800 6.3. My current bird and wildlife kit is my 500mm 5.6 pf on my Z8 with the (old) FTZ. It’s been my go to lens for years now, from my D850 to my Z6ii and now the Z8. It works great on all except the poor focusing Z6ii. I also have the 70-200 2.8 that I often pair with the 1.4x or 2.0x TC. I’m not sure this one compels me to “upgrade” from my 500 but its great that the choice is there.
I’m still not entirely sure why I’d pick this over the 180-600mm unless I were confident I didn’t want the 600mm TC or a similar fast prime. The former gives a lot of versatility and seems like a go-to zoom… at which point I have the “compromise long lens” box checked, and I’d want the f/4 for the extra speed and light. It’s just too hard to give up the options that a zoom gives me if I optimize for convenience, and if I’m not aiming for convenience, I want the “best” 600mm.
Weight and size. Its like the 200-500mm vs the 500mm pf. On paper why would you choose the 500pf? But in the real world the 500pf was just so usable and you could take it everywhere and use it all day.
I am glad Nikon is putting out really nice options. I love my 300 and 500 PF because of their size and weight, and this lens seems to be just as great, or greater in some respects. I will not be upgrading for two reasons, the first being money, but the second is that I do not want anything slower than 5.6. Even 5.6 can be limiting in dark woods or when dusk comes early. About the pricing; I just checked, and in my country the price is listed as almost the same as the 800 PF!
I agree it should have been a f/5.6. That would have been a clear advantage over the 180-600mm and a bigger push to owners of the 500mm PF to upgrade. For me, shooting mainly PR and events, the versatility of the 180-600mm and at the same max aperture will win out, especially at the price.
As usual, your reviews are the gold standard for wildlife photographic gear. Only one thing about the review remains unclear to me, does the new 600mm PF replace the 500mm PF in Nikon's lineup of lenses? Thanks for being such a great resource for photographic information.
Great and complex review Steve! Thank you for your insights and thoughts. What Nikon camera body would you recommend for an enthusiast wildlife shooter for this lens? (other than Z8/Z9)
The problem is, at the moment, only the Z8 / Z9 really offer the "goodies" for wildlife shooters. It almost seems like the new ZF might fit the bill a bit better than something like the Z6/7ii. It's really a tough call since the performance isn't quite there. Not that it's impossible to use a Z6/7ii for wildlife, it's just that people are often a little disappointed in the performance.
@@backcountrygallery thanks Steve, that means i need to get a Z camera, i have the good old D850 by the way.. love your videos, especially reviews.! Thanks again.!🙏🏼
Think when the time is right, I’m gonna go with the 400 4.5. Dx gets to 600 and at 4.5, and the tc 1.4 almost to 600 in full frame at 6.3. Smaller lighter and cheaper too.
Steve my friend! 😊 I have the Z9, Z6, D6, D500, Z 800mm, Z 180-600, AF-S 500mm PF, AF-S 400mm f2.8 FL, AF-S 300mm f4.0 D and a bunch of other lenses and bodies. But these are the ones I use the most for my shots. I only shoot with the Z9 when there’s lots of light. At dawn or twilight which is my preferred time to shoot BIF the Z9 cannot acquired let alone track anything flying. My D6 and D500 beats the hell out of the Z9 and there’s no way I am replacing my 500PF and my 400 FL for any mirrorless lens in the world. The 600 PF is no match to the 500 PF for 3 reasons. 1 what it offers does not make my photos better or superior. 2 because I have superior cameras to use with it in very low light. 3 the price is ridiculous. Shocking isn’t it? Who is this guy talking about the superiority of the D6 and D500 for BIF? I’m about to start my TH-cam channel and start showing what it is and debunk this BS about mirrorless cameras and lenses are “better” than DSLRs. Of course there are things both systems are great. But it is nonsense to dump and forget about the D6 And D500 for that matter and because it’s superior in every aspect. No it’s not. If you don’t believe me, I am open to the challenge in the fields 😊
❤ your review as always, but this vdo I enjoy to watch your funny gimmick too! 😂😂 . I laugh when you run and shoot to explain how easy and fast to positioning and shooting with 600PF😂😊 Thank you Steve! My 500PF is shaking chills.
Not a Nikon shooter but loved the review. These long lens Nikon is putting out are making me think it may soon be time to make a switch! Why aren’t any manufacturers making their feet arca swiss?!?!? It seems like they are being willfully obtuse now. Thanks for the good laugh of you running and getting into position “quickly”. Quickly is relative for us older guys
Excellent Steve but now what?? LOL I have the 400 f4.5 and 180-600, Maybe sell the 400 4.5 to purchase the 600 and use it along my 180-600? What would you think the best choice would be?
If you haven't done it before, could you once use a basic DSLR like the old D5500 and a basic 50-300mm lens to show us humble hobbyist photographers how you would approach wildlife photography. I would love to be inspired with my simple and cheap camera equipment. Thanks
If you could only buy two lenses (initially) for wildlife (with a focus on birding, including birds in flight) and you could not buy a f4 prime, what two lenses would you buy? I am assuming one would be a 600PF or 800PF for their superior optics and performance. But I also expect you would be suggesting something that was more versatile. If you don't mind, what two lenses would you suggest?
Too many variables to really say. For me, I use 600 and 800 in equal amounts so I'd say both. However, some people are seldom at 600mm and come seldom at 800mm. It really depends what you shoot.
Steve, were you in Orlando for this shoot? Looks familiar to me. Amazing review, this is a great example of why I think you are the best in the business in explaining things in real world terms. My only issue with this lens is the cost. It seems a bit high, especially versus the real world market price of the 500pf which is down to about $2k now.
I've been recently scouting Black Point Wildlife Drive but not Orlando Wetlands park yet because it's still just a bit too early in the season for the migration. In another month or two it'll be a lot busier, looking forward to it!
I will never complain about more options! I'm really impressed with how well Nikon has fleshed out the Z-mount. It feels like just yesterday we were all complaining about their decision to release the Noct before several staple lenses. Now, I can only really think of two or three more "mainstream" lenses that are missing: the long-awaited 35mm f1.2 (the only lens listed on the roadmap that has yet to be released), a fast prime in the 200-300mm range, and a fast ultra-wide (think Sony 14mm f1.8). This give me hope that we will be seeing even more specialized lenses in the not-so-distant future. I'm hoping for a new array of perspective control primes!
You definitely have the best reviews in the business out of all the camera stuff. Thanks Steve 👍
Thanks 👍
As an owner of a 400mm 4.5 + 1.4TC.. If it got stolen, broken, or whatever, I'm not sure I'd replace that combination with this 600 6.3 for an extra $1000.... Yes it's perfect, but the 400 + 1.4 is really no slouch.
What really throws a wrench in there is that 180-600 6.3 exists, and exists for really cheap (in comparison). Is that lens perfect? No, but it's still really good, and we all know the sharpness difference won't make or break a shot.
Talk about having options! Nikon's KILLING IT!
Also, thanks for having the best wildlife TH-cam channel on the planet. You back up the technical expertise with exceptional photos. It's unusual to see such techies who are ALSO great artists.
Thanks so much! That means a lot to me.
and don't throw out the G mount 500 pf or even with the extra weight the amazing 400 f2.8. I rented the 400 f2.8 E FL for a trip to Botswana, it was some getting used to the weight and size, but man, the images were next level. for day to day, yes the 180-600 or the 400 f4.6 (that I won) is great for walking around etc. However, I will not go on another "serious" photography trip without a 400 f2.8, on the Z9/8 the detail and general rendering of the images are next level. I cannot justify the expense to buy a 400 f2.8 TC.
The 600pf is sharper at 600mm than the 400 f4.5 with 1.4tc @ 560mm. The 600pf is also sharper at 840mm with 1.4tc than the 400 f4.5 @800mm with 2xTC.. 600pf Seems to be a better lens overall
great video, Steve. Nikon is really killing it in the long lens department. :)
Depends on what you call long. 600mm lenses are kind of a dime a dozen. Everyone makes a 600mm or ###-=600 zoom. The PF 800 is bad ass.... but then Nikon doesn't make a pro level APS-C body, so you are still stuck with a straight 800mm. I've taken about 130K shots with a Canon 1280mm (equivalent) combo in the last year. Feels pretty normal to me now. I just want a more "pro level combo" that can do the same thing. And I'm not brand loyal. BTW, I don't shoot stuff a long ways away. I shoot small stuff, preferably from 25-30 ft.
@@Chris_Wolfgram I can flip my Z8 to DX crop (19mpix) with a single button whenever I need more than 800mm. Easy & works like a charm. More than enough for web applications as well. Personally I'll skip the 600PF because I already have 400 4.5 / 800 6.3 and TC1.4. Can't justify 400/600TC. Brand loyal or not - you have to admit no other manufacturer offers native long lens lineup comparable to Nikon at the moment (especially the PF lenses or lenses with built in TCs).
@@lukeszczepanski2240 yes, my 45mp R5 could be used as a 17mp crop sensor also. I tried that for a bit too.
But my R7 is a crop sensor 32 mp camera ! Which is more mp's for a crop sensor camera, than any other camera on the market. It would take a FF camera with 80mp to match it in crop mode.
When the R7 Mk II comes out, I'd be okay if it were still 32mp's, but 35 or 40 would be okay too. Not sure what the physical limits are for a crop sensor?
Btw, I'm super envious of your 800 F6.3 ! I have to imagine Nikon will eventually come out with a crop sensor similar to the R7. And that would be my dream combo. I'd jump straight to that. Honestly, I think this is more likely than Canon coming out with its own version of the PF 800 F6.3....
Yup... They're only missing two lenses at this point...a 300pf and a 300 2.8 TC. But I'll bet these are coming soon
As a DSLR shooter, who has his dream lenses, and a stable of excellent cameras, and has NO interest in going mirrorless, I'm sticking with my 500PF! I always appreciate your details, and comments, though! Please keep up the great work! - Doc
You really are the best nature photography reviewer out there. I'm a nature photography hobbyist, thinking of maybe going full time in the future. I'm still using my good ol' D500 and tamron 150-600, but I dropped the gear once on ice and even though it went through repairs, the lens doesn't want to acquire focus anymore. So I'm dreaming of buying Z8/Z9 and probably the 180-600 as a starter. But I mostly photograph birds, so I'm not sure if I should just save my money and go straight for the 800mm PF. 600 doesn't seem to be enough for me, as I'm almost always cropping. But together the 180-600 and 800 would cover most situations.
I'm a D500 shooter too but have the Nikon 200-500mm. It has been a great lens but my copy is getting a bit dusty and I fear might even have a slight bit of fungus.
I plan on getting the 500pf but can't help feeling that I should be saving for a z8 and perhaps the 800pf like yourself. Trouble is I can't really justify the cost when my D500 is still fairly new and is a beast of a camera.
@@cabelas1987 I have the same D500/200-500 lens combo and have been facing the same quandary. After way too research, way to much thought, and agonizing over which way to go, my always supportive wife asked if I had finally made a decision. I told her that once my skills as a photographer outstrip my camera's capabilities, I would probably make a change, but not until then. Without a word she left the room, than came back with my old D200 in her hands, dropped it in my lap and said, "good decision, let me know when you are ready".
Man Steve, you are the best! Whenever a new lens gets released this is the channel I got straight to! Hands down the best info and review and I get all my questions answered…hell even ones I didn’t have! You’re one of the most trustworthy guys out there too, take care and thanks again!
Nikon keeping it mysterious with the lenses works to surprise us. It's very satisfying!!
I agree & think it’s great that Nikon are hitting the long lens market out of the ball park, but why not concentrate fulfilling the orders for the lenses they’ve already announced & released!
…sorry Steve, I also meant to add what a great video this was. 👏👏
If there’s a better reviewer of gear in the world than Steve, I sure haven’t encountered that person yet. Thanks for all you do!
Great review Steve! I loved the herons and Anhingas from Florida.
I was almost determined to get an 800 PF, but the versatility and low weight of this lens make me reconsider.
Thanks so much for the awesome video. I would like to see the comparison between 600PF and 400 f4.5 with 1.4 tc. 400mm is overall more versatility with using tc's, albeit with loss of some sharpness
That’s a very relevant comparison I think
Yes. Found this lacking in the comparison.
No , more versatile how? The 400 4.5 isn't great with the 2x extender, which is required for 800mm. The 600pf handles 840mm better , only requiring 1.4tx for 840mm reach. Therefore I feel the 600pf is more versatile in the long end from 600-840mm
Oh my oh my, now a real quandary for the second time this year. D850 to Z8 and 500PF to 600PF on the horizon. I'll have to check out the shipping in the UK. Thanks Steve as always seriously out in front again. Nikon really have faith in you.
Yet again, you’ve knocked it out of the park Steve. There’s a very good reason Nikon let you use it in advance. I wonder how many 180-600mm buyers now regret it? Still happy with my Z100-400, Z800 & ZTC1.4x combination. I miss the quality of the F400 2.8 but don’t miss the weight!
I don't think that they will regret, there is a considerable price difference for the average income user!!.👍🏼
@@uaebifvideo5472 Suggest you read some of the comments. People are cancelling their 180-600mm orders. Of course it depends on how much money you have, but this lens really muddies the waters. For those who can’t afford the 600TC, this lens maybe within their reach. Launching so soon after the 180-600 makes it a conundrum for some.
I am using 600TC for the last couple of months. I thought in the first this 600PF lens will be will be the nearest alternative. Yes, it is true but for sure, the TC option to be able switch to 840mm is totally something else. 9K dollar difference can be paid even for the TC option only. I thought you did not deeply focus on this but for sure every knows this. I believe F4 for 600TC vs f6,3 is still way better and a huge difference.
I wonder what the Sony and especially Canon users are saying after Nikons' launching of so many high-end lenses. I think although the late introduction of eye tracking system with z9 was a great disappointment, today the answer of Nikon has been really great. I am happy that I did not switch to other brands. Thank you Steve for such professional presentation.
Between the 100-400, 400 f4.5, 180-600 and this 600pf it is going to be a tough choice for me once Nikon actually gets around to making a mirrorless D500, incredible range of options. For the time being though my 500pf is serving me quite well and will likely continue to do so since I am a used market buyer.
Great video as always Steve. Thank you. This was the lens I was waiting on, for so long! I ended up getting the 400mm f4.5 + 1.4TC, so curious how this stacks up.
Great video! Now curious what other lenses are not on the roadmap :) Also echo previous comment re 400 f/4.5 + 1.4TC - would be cool if when you test your production copy you could share your thoughts on comparing 600PF with that combo. Thanks again for all your excellent videos!
You'll never know. Nikon already said the roadmap is no longer needed. It is back to normal
I would actually be comparing it to the 400 f/4.5 + 1.4x TC combo. $3200 + $400-500 @ 560 f/6.3 vs $4800 @ 600 f/6.3. Is the AF speed and IQ improved enough to warrant an extra $1100-1200. Now If I get the 600 I won't sell my 400 f/4.5, I'll just stop using with the 1.4x TC. The 400 is even lighter and that extra stop of speed is very welcome in lower light. I think it's more a matter should this be nearly $5K for f/6.3. IMO no, either it's f/5.6 even if a few hundred dearer, or it's around $4200 for f/6.3.
Liked that run and shoot bit you did.
Even I have to have fun sometimes :)
Really curious to see a full comparison between this beauty and the 400mm 4.5 (plus 1.4 TC)
Nikon publishes MTF charts for their lenses. The MTF of this lens looks quite impressive! It should be significantly sharper than the 180-600 at 600m and therefore allow more cropping and also produce better results with teleconverters.
Make a comparison video with 500 pf, z 400 f4.5+1.4xTC, z 180-600, z 600 f4 and with the z 800 pf. I'm really looking forward to the z 180-600 and want to see the sharpness differences between these two lenses
Nikon gave it to the right guy to test it and come away with a accurate review in a short time.
Great review, Steve. Looks like a great choice for a lot of people. The pricing is almost exactly where you would expect between the 400mm f/4.5 and 800mm PF.
Great video and interesting comparison of the major lens. I just bought the 180-600 lens as the affordable flexibility lens for Airshows and BIF. As you mentioned, it would be a nice setup to have the both the zoom and 600PF to cover your new needs. I wish Nikon had listed this lens on the road map/possible release date. Great info Steve !!
I agree - it's tough to know what to buy when you don't know all the options. I've known about this lens for the last month or so and it's incredibly difficult when people ask me about this lens or that lens when I know the 600PF is really the best fit.
Just got this one instead of the 180-600. Reason is easy, weight, weight and weight. Lighter means faster aiming and since action generally happens quick and unexpected it means way more action shots
Really didn’t see this one coming Steve, not sure what else Nikon can offer now!😀 Perhaps a D500 Z replacement! Thanks for all the info, much appreciated! 👏👍😀
Im with you on D500 replacement!
This is a truly exciting lens. I, too, wish that Nikon had made the PF lenses f/5.6.
First off congratulations on being picked by Nikon to do a first review on this lens. Wow, for those of us that can only afford one long telephoto. This makes the choice all that much more difficult.
I am sold on the 180-600, still on the list and can't wait to get it.
Absolutely a wonderful review... I keep saying it and I will say it again... Your images are just a treat to watch... If nothing else I would watch your reviews for your work...
And you point out so many great things...
Thank you so much - that means a lot to me. The images are the real reason I do what I do.
@@backcountrygallery Not a problem at all… the Pleasure is mine…
I am a Nikon turned Canon shooter, considering to come back to Nikon due to this lens. Canon has had a series of silences in response to the excellent affordable lenses Nikon has released for wildlife. The latest rumor of the 200-800 f63-9 might be the last straw to make me jump the ship. While affordability is subjective, this lens can be called really affordable considering what it delivers and where it sits amongst the big lenses.
I think for most people if they already have the 500 PF, as a hobbyist, there is no need to rush out and get the 600 6.3 lens because both perform similarly in terms of sharpness and autofocus speed but of course the 6.3 is 100mm longer, I would say photography wise, it won’t make sense to upgrade but I reckon if you do a lot of video, the stabilization of this 600 would be much better because it has sync Is with the body that the f mount lens just isn’t as good if doing handheld video work. Being a 500 PF owner, I can’t justify the cost at the moment because it is most likely twice the price of most second hand 500 PF and even some in mint condition.
I think this makes a good companion lens for 100-400 owners looking for something longer without overlapping what they already have - would make sense for people shooting mostly larger wildlife. I mostly shoot small birds and for me the 180-600 + 800 combo would be a pretty great setup, if I had piles of cash lying around spare 😅Nice to see Nikon continuing to show they have the best selection of telephoto lenses in the mirrorless world, though it'd be nice to see a few of the odder third party offerings pop up too, like the Sigma 60-600.
Another review well done !! Started looking at the 600TC a while back, then the 180-600 came out. Good thing I didn't jump because this lens (600PF) now seems to make more sense that the other two. Can't wait to see a more in depth comparison done. Thanks Steve.........appreciate all the hard work you do !!
Was contemplating canceling my 180-600 and buying the 600pf or 800 instead. Perfect timing on the video.
Also love the idea of setting control ring for ISO, gonna give that a shot.
I did!
This was a great review - very informative! Thanks for all of the comparisons!
officially dominated the long end over 100mm
the competition is not even close
I'd have been all over this lens just a month ago. The 180-600mm really exceeded my expectations. No preorder on this for me. Open to reconsidering first time it goes on sale. I own the 500mm pf and 800mm pf already. Love them both so it was hard to not hit the preorder early this morning...even harder after watching your video. Thanks Steve!
Great job, Steve! As usual short and to the point.
Terrific review as usual. As a Canon shooter I am increasingly envious of Nikon.
I always see good reviews from Steve Perry.
A Z 600mm f5.6 S PF should be a game changer.
Thank you - this is fantastic! Would love to see a comparison of the bokeh with the 500pf but without cropping but instead moving closer to get the same frame which you can sometimes do (not always of course).
Great review, Steve. Thank you. Your photographs inspire me. I'm amazed with all the shots you got to publish here with just one full day's use. I'm sticking for now with my 100-400 and 1.4 TC, but when I need more I'm coming back to this review over and over. As a beginner bird photographer, I'd probably start with the 180-600 until I needed to step up, and then the 600mm f/6.3 would be great for me.
Thanks so much! I work hard to get those photos and it's a TON of pressure. We always scout out locations a couple days before Nikon gets there so we have some idea of where things are happening, but luck plays a larger role than I'd like!
Very nice information on that lens. Keep up the great educational videos.
Just the lens I've been waiting for. Great review. Really torn between this lens and the 800PF. Guess time will tell. Thanks.
The 600mm PF and 800mm PF are intriguing options and your summary of the pros/cons of each is much appreciated. I will suggest you consider making the following update to the comparison chart you use. I will suggest you change the top line from "f-stop" to "f-stop/entrance pupil diameter."
The top line in the current chart shows "f-stop" and you've accurately listed both lenses as having an f/6.3 maximum f-stop. However, it's not f-stop, per se, that determines depth of field and light-gathering. The 600mm f/6.3 PF has a (600/6.3=95.23) 95mm entrance pupil diameter. The 800mm f/6.3 PF has a (800/6.3=126.98) 127mm entrance pupil diameter. That's a significantly larger virtual aperture and should mean the 800mm delivers better backgrounds and improved low light performance in comparison with the images of the same subject made with both lenses at f/6.3. The difference in performance should be fairly noticeable when a photo made with the 600mm is cropped to match the 800mm lens's angle of view or when the 600mm is used with a TC to roughly match the 800mm angle of view.
Of course, I'll defer to the experience you have in the field using lenses of different focal lengths and f-stops. That said, if your field and test results do align with the lens having the larger entrance pupil diameter routinely showing creamier backgrounds and having better low light performance, I'll recommend you consider modifying the first line of the chart. In this case, the 800mm PF would have the advantage :)
Happy New Year!
I’ve been waiting for this lens for sooooo loooong!! Youhouuuuuuuu Merci Nikon!!!!
Boy oh boy would love to see a Nikon D500 replacement with this lens
ordered and coming tomorrow 600pf. thanks for helping.
Great stuff, Steve, as always! I only heard rumors about this lens recently and was surprised to see it released for sale today. Bit the bullet and put it on preorder. Will be trading in my beloved 500pf, but this new lens looks like one I will love just as much!
The pf lenses Nikon has been putting out, both F and now Z mount, have been amazing so yet again my wallet just got smacked when it wasn't expecting it. :) The size I think was the tipping point for me as lately I've been shooting wild horses from inside my jeep and the 800 is just slightly on the awkward end of the scale while inside. Thanks for the thoughts on this lens Steve, looking forward to you getting your own copy so you and do your typical review/comparison.
I have a Jeep as well and thought the same thing ... that is why I have it ordered (11" and 3lbs!). Definitely and jeep trail type of lens!
you missed the comparasion with the 400mm f4.5 Z with the 1.4x TC
Probably couldn't do it with a pre-production copy. Usually you can't directly compare image quality.
Practically, the native 600mm may be marginally sharper, but not so much to justify the extra expense if a 400 works for you most of the time, and you occasionally need to reach further.
i guess it was not wished to compare the 400 4.5 with 1.4 tc as it produces almost 600mm with 6.3 and Nikon itself states you wont loose IQ using the tc's
@@matthiasscheurer8498I own the 400 f4.5 and the 2x TC, and can confirm you absolutely do lose IC. Not a huge amount, but I’ve found myself usually just cropping in
@@DBWPhoto i do own the 400 F4.5 and the 1.4 TC, i just wonder, why the comparison was not part of the video, even if this is one of the most obvious ones... Nikon itself stresses the fact, that there is no loss of IQ if you are using the TC's. i guess its hard to justify buying the 400 and TC and now buying the 600 on top. And for the videos of all the 'ambassadors' that come out in the next few hours and days, the story should not be if you already own the 400 f4.5 and a tc, there is no use for a 600 6.3...
@@matthiasscheurer8498 I understand, but Nikon can stress it doesn’t reduce IQ/C all they want, in my own personal testing that’s not what I’ve found with the 2x - there is definitely greater fuzziness. I only use the 2X when filming now, if it’s still images I stick to 400 and crop
Thanks Steve as always, exceptional commentary and insights, as this was a bit of a surprise (at this time) Nikon has completely filled the lens lineup for sports and bird photographers. Now Nikon can finally "Focus" on some lenses at the wide end of the spectrum and some specialty lenses, tilt/shift, Long Macro, Super wide angle etc. Take care and I am pleased Nikon is giving you the opportunity to try out these new lenses ahead of time. - Jeff
Steve as always thank you for a very informative video!!!
Great video ❤ as usual you are the first, An interesting lens for someone like me who carries a 400mm lens in his bag and needs a longer range at the best cost and a lens like this is very interesting.
Nice one Steve. I was wondering, as others pointed out, what about 400 f4.5 with 1.4 TC? About the same focal length/f stop, and without the "interesting" properties of PF background, and of course, "two" focal lengths (400 and ~600) in one lens....
Have been thinking about completely moving into native glass but there are so many choices even accounting for the price point !!
Hope that comparison will come once you get your copy of 600 pf :)
Nice review. However, I believe Z 400mm f4.5 plus TC 1.4 (560mm f6.3) seems much better. This combination cost less. Similar focal length, same aperture and less weight. Besides, it is more flexible as you can use Z 400 f4.5 alone if you want to gather more light. I think this new lens is not attractive in consideration of its high price.
Great piece of objective. However, I would say a bit on the expensive side. The price difference to the 800 pf is relatively small and rather large to the 500 pf. So unless one has the urge to switch completely to Z mount - I would instead stay with the 500 pf and get the 800 pf which I guess will outperform both the 500 pf and the 600 pf with converters.
As always, so great to have these new lens reviews coming from you, Steve; no BS youtube videos!!! :) Yet another lens to consider as I wait for the 600 TC and as the most indecisive guy on the planet, this tortures me LOL 800 pf? 180-600? 600 6.3? or the sell-a-kidney-to-afford-it 600 TC? ... Again, thanks for this. Cheers!
Thank you for this pre test - i think it will be a top on tour bird lens for my Z9 without a tripod - great infos - best level on you tube
Wow amazing lens and spot on review. Thanks you Sir
Great work from Nikon to present so many options. The price point, however, might be a bit above the level for many. That is where the 180-600 will cover it for many. All Nikon now needs is a Z6iii with a 33 mp sensor and the Focus system of the Z8 to give the "mid range" price point shooters the Nikon version of the Sony A9ii, Canon R6ii.
This is the lens I was hoping for. I just canceled the 180-600mm because the 600mm fits better with the 100-400mm for me and with the 1.4x teleconverter option, I don't need the 800mm anymore. Great but I fear the delivery times will be exorbitantly long again.
I did too!
Great video as usual Steve! I think you can create a fitness workout for those that wish to pursue wildlife photography. The Run and gun moves you demonstrated were pretty darned good. There a some great exercises for forearms I swear by. Pronated and supernated wrist curls (wooden pole) and lateral twist with a wooden pole. Two weeks and you will notice a huge difference since forearm strength increases quickly.
LOL, yup, I could be a YT fitness model :) 🤣
Great review with tons of spot on observations. I completely relate to the comments about f5.6 vs f6.3. It's a big ask, but is a comparison between this lens+1.4tc and 800pf a possibility down the road?
great review from the best reviewer. thank you!
Once again you nailed a great review on a new lens. While I find this lens interesting I will go with the 180-600 (safari trip coming up) for sheer convenience of a zoom but will probably end up getting the 600 later. The key points seem to make it worth it.
Hello Mr. Steve. Are you gonna do a wildlife review of the Nikon ZF in the near future? Would love to watch it!
Best regards from Portugal
I can't wait to get it. Laughed with you running with the lens. 🤣
Thanks, Steve. Great review, as always. I really appreciate that you don't accept any financial benefit from manufacturers. I think that's a rarity these days and I always wonder if (even unconscious) bias slips in with other reviewers.
very useful info Steve - thank you!
Moved from the Sony a1 & 200-600 as a walk around birding and bird tour lens to the OM-1 & 150-400. I miss some FF aspects, but OM system is a pound lighter and much better balanced. And has a much better balance. A Z8 with 600PF is a tempting alternative.
Very useful review Steve. Thank you
Very nice review , you really do an excellent job. For me this sounds to be the logical choice as I'm a serious hobbiest not pro. If I could swing the cost I would probably go with the 600TC, but again not making money off my work couldn't justify the cost. Thanks for a straight forward review.
I'm a Sony shooter and quite envious of Nikon's offerings in the prime long lens category for these price points. Wake up Sony!!...Great video Steve!! Thanks!
First off, thanks for your wonderful videos! This is going to be a popular lens. I’ll stick with my 800 PF but had I’d known about this lens I probably would have waited. The size and weight are the best features for me. The f/6.3 isn’t the end of the world and I always take into consideration the distance of the background for the best image. I guess it’s just me but a draw back to f/4…in my opinion…is the slender DOF; don’t like sharp eyes and blurry beaks. 🙂Again thanks for all you do to help us get better results.
Another great review, Steve, even with the limited time and access to test the lens.
Nikon sure is giving some great choices for birds, wildlife and action. As an amateur without budget constraints, my GAS keeps shifting between the big fast - expensive - primes with their built in TCs and the more affordable, slightly less fast and much lighter versions - the 400 4.5, this one or the 800 6.3.
My current bird and wildlife kit is my 500mm 5.6 pf on my Z8 with the (old) FTZ. It’s been my go to lens for years now, from my D850 to my Z6ii and now the Z8. It works great on all except the poor focusing Z6ii. I also have the 70-200 2.8 that I often pair with the 1.4x or 2.0x TC.
I’m not sure this one compels me to “upgrade” from my 500 but its great that the choice is there.
Great video as usual. Thanks Steve😊
Great summary. Thank you!
I’m still not entirely sure why I’d pick this over the 180-600mm unless I were confident I didn’t want the 600mm TC or a similar fast prime. The former gives a lot of versatility and seems like a go-to zoom… at which point I have the “compromise long lens” box checked, and I’d want the f/4 for the extra speed and light.
It’s just too hard to give up the options that a zoom gives me if I optimize for convenience, and if I’m not aiming for convenience, I want the “best” 600mm.
Well, that mtf chart on this s class prime should easily yield the best 600mm lens in the world that doesn't carry an f/4 price tag to match 😂
Weight and size. Its like the 200-500mm vs the 500mm pf. On paper why would you choose the 500pf? But in the real world the 500pf was just so usable and you could take it everywhere and use it all day.
I am glad Nikon is putting out really nice options. I love my 300 and 500 PF because of their size and weight, and this lens seems to be just as great, or greater in some respects. I will not be upgrading for two reasons, the first being money, but the second is that I do not want anything slower than 5.6. Even 5.6 can be limiting in dark woods or when dusk comes early.
About the pricing; I just checked, and in my country the price is listed as almost the same as the 800 PF!
I agree it should have been a f/5.6. That would have been a clear advantage over the 180-600mm and a bigger push to owners of the 500mm PF to upgrade.
For me, shooting mainly PR and events, the versatility of the 180-600mm and at the same max aperture will win out, especially at the price.
As usual, your reviews are the gold standard for wildlife photographic gear. Only one thing about the review remains unclear to me, does the new 600mm PF replace the 500mm PF in Nikon's lineup of lenses? Thanks for being such a great resource for photographic information.
It's the Z mount equivalent. I think they'll probably produce the 500PF for as long as people with F mounts want it.
Great video! I don’t need this lens but boy I want it!
Great and complex review Steve! Thank you for your insights and thoughts. What Nikon camera body would you recommend for an enthusiast wildlife shooter for this lens? (other than Z8/Z9)
The problem is, at the moment, only the Z8 / Z9 really offer the "goodies" for wildlife shooters. It almost seems like the new ZF might fit the bill a bit better than something like the Z6/7ii. It's really a tough call since the performance isn't quite there. Not that it's impossible to use a Z6/7ii for wildlife, it's just that people are often a little disappointed in the performance.
Thanks another gr8 review...
does it work with DSLR.? Or it needs an adapter..?
Thanks! It's Z mount only - there's no adapter that can work due to the differences in flange distance.
@@backcountrygallery thanks Steve, that means i need to get a Z camera, i have the good old D850 by the way.. love your videos, especially reviews.! Thanks again.!🙏🏼
Think when the time is right, I’m gonna go with the 400 4.5. Dx gets to 600 and at 4.5, and the tc 1.4 almost to 600 in full frame at 6.3. Smaller lighter and cheaper too.
Excellent review Steve 🙏🏻
How does this lens perform vs Z400 f4.5 with 1.4 TC ? (That’s 560mm f6.3)
Steve my friend! 😊 I have the Z9, Z6, D6, D500, Z 800mm, Z 180-600, AF-S 500mm PF, AF-S 400mm f2.8 FL, AF-S 300mm f4.0 D and a bunch of other lenses and bodies. But these are the ones I use the most for my shots. I only shoot with the Z9 when there’s lots of light. At dawn or twilight which is my preferred time to shoot BIF the Z9 cannot acquired let alone track anything flying. My D6 and D500 beats the hell out of the Z9 and there’s no way I am replacing my 500PF and my 400 FL for any mirrorless lens in the world. The 600 PF is no match to the 500 PF for 3 reasons. 1 what it offers does not make my photos better or superior. 2 because I have superior cameras to use with it in very low light. 3 the price is ridiculous. Shocking isn’t it? Who is this guy talking about the superiority of the D6 and D500 for BIF? I’m about to start my TH-cam channel and start showing what it is and debunk this BS about mirrorless cameras and lenses are “better” than DSLRs. Of course there are things both systems are great. But it is nonsense to dump and forget about the D6 And D500 for that matter and because it’s superior in every aspect. No it’s not. If you don’t believe me, I am open to the challenge in the fields 😊
❤ your review as always, but this vdo I enjoy to watch your funny gimmick too!
😂😂 .
I laugh when you run and shoot to explain how easy and fast to positioning and shooting with 600PF😂😊
Thank you Steve! My 500PF is shaking chills.
Not a Nikon shooter but loved the review. These long lens Nikon is putting out are making me think it may soon be time to make a switch! Why aren’t any manufacturers making their feet arca swiss?!?!? It seems like they are being willfully obtuse now. Thanks for the good laugh of you running and getting into position “quickly”. Quickly is relative for us older guys
Excellent Steve but now what?? LOL I have the 400 f4.5 and 180-600, Maybe sell the 400 4.5 to purchase the 600 and use it along my 180-600? What would you think the best choice would be?
If you haven't done it before, could you once use a basic DSLR like the old D5500 and a basic 50-300mm lens to show us humble hobbyist photographers how you would approach wildlife photography. I would love to be inspired with my simple and cheap camera equipment. Thanks
If you could only buy two lenses (initially) for wildlife (with a focus on birding, including birds in flight) and you could not buy a f4 prime, what two lenses would you buy? I am assuming one would be a 600PF or 800PF for their superior optics and performance. But I also expect you would be suggesting something that was more versatile. If you don't mind, what two lenses would you suggest?
Hi Steve , wonderful review as always. One question - if I had a 800 mm PF already with me , does 600mm PF make sense to buy ?
Too many variables to really say. For me, I use 600 and 800 in equal amounts so I'd say both. However, some people are seldom at 600mm and come seldom at 800mm. It really depends what you shoot.
Steve, were you in Orlando for this shoot? Looks familiar to me. Amazing review, this is a great example of why I think you are the best in the business in explaining things in real world terms. My only issue with this lens is the cost. It seems a bit high, especially versus the real world market price of the 500pf which is down to about $2k now.
I've been recently scouting Black Point Wildlife Drive but not Orlando Wetlands park yet because it's still just a bit too early in the season for the migration. In another month or two it'll be a lot busier, looking forward to it!
It wasn't super busy there - birds or people - but it worked :)