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  • @IRLFlightSim
    @IRLFlightSim ปีที่แล้ว +1471

    “No need to aim let the hand of stalin aim for you”- Phlydaily 2018

    • @caturlifelive
      @caturlifelive ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Well done..

    • @crimsonjedi3456
      @crimsonjedi3456 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      It’s the hand of Stalin

    • @IRLFlightSim
      @IRLFlightSim ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@crimsonjedi3456 ah yes thank you

    • @thatoneinasuit6404
      @thatoneinasuit6404 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      "Let the hand of Stalin guide your shot" is the only reason I still play the KV2 lmao

    • @angrysaxon2969
      @angrysaxon2969 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      More like “The Mighty Jingles, Circa 1879” Back to the salt mines I go….

  • @raizencore
    @raizencore ปีที่แล้ว +850

    The Pantsir can also lock on up to 4 targets at once, totally balanced.

    • @greystash1750
      @greystash1750 ปีที่แล้ว +95

      Play Russia, it’s the only way

    • @raizencore
      @raizencore ปีที่แล้ว +13

      @@greystash1750 duh comrade.

    • @ljubomirculibrk4097
      @ljubomirculibrk4097 ปีที่แล้ว +35

      In real world its more, be heapy! 😂

    • @Sveta7
      @Sveta7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      As you can see in the video it's not really that useful and is more of a gimmick, man people don't even need a reason these days to cry bias, git gud.

    • @urielOrnstein
      @urielOrnstein ปีที่แล้ว +185

      CAS players when they can kill without risk:
      CAS players when they cant kill without risk:

  • @lucasmaciel5488
    @lucasmaciel5488 ปีที่แล้ว +302

    Honestly, one very important thing that people miss about it makes it even stronger than it seems. The problem is that the missile knows where it is at all times. It knows this because it knows where it isn't. By subtracting where it is from where it isn't, or where it isn't from where it is (whichever is greater), it obtains a difference, or deviation. The guidance subsystem uses deviations to generate corrective commands to drive the missile from a position where it is to a position where it isn't, and arriving at a position where it wasn't, it now is. Consequently, the position where it is, is now the position that it wasn't, and it follows that the position that it was, is now the position that it isn't.
    In the event that the position that it is in is not the position that it wasn't, the system has acquired a variation, the variation being the difference between where the missile is, and where it wasn't. If variation is considered to be a significant factor, it too may be corrected by the GEA. However, the missile must also know where it was.
    The missile guidance computer scenario works as follows. Because a variation has modified some of the information the missile has obtained, it is not sure just where it is. However, it is sure where it isn't, within reason, and it knows where it was. It now subtracts where it should be from where it wasn't, or vice-versa, and by differentiating this from the algebraic sum of where it shouldn't be, and where it was, it is able to obtain the deviation and its variation, which is called error.

    • @stvjjgcj
      @stvjjgcj ปีที่แล้ว

      eli5 plz

    • @Window_ig
      @Window_ig ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Damn, bro really said that the missile knows where it is at all times. It knows this because it knows where it isn't. By subtracting where it is from where it isn't, or where it isn't from where it is (whichever is greater), it obtains a difference, or deviation. The guidance subsystem uses deviations to generate corrective commands to drive the missile from a position where it is to a position where it isn't, and arriving at a position where it wasn't, it now is. Consequently, the position where it is, is now the position that it wasn't, and it follows that the position that it was, is now the position that it isn't.
      In the event that the position that it is in is not the position that it wasn't, the system has acquired a variation, the variation being the difference between where the missile is, and where it wasn't. If variation is considered to be a significant factor, it too may be corrected by the GEA. However, the missile must also know where it was.
      The missile guidance computer scenario works as follows. Because a variation has modified some of the information the missile has obtained, it is not sure just where it is. However, it is sure where it isn't, within reason, and it knows where it was. It now subtracts where it should be from where it wasn't, or vice-versa, and by differentiating this from the algebraic sum of where it shouldn't be, and where it was, it is able to obtain the deviation and its variation, which is called error.

    • @thejheezy4361
      @thejheezy4361 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Damn bro really commented that the missile knows where it is at all times. It knows this because it knows where it isn't. By subtracting where it is from where it isn't, or where it isn't from where it is (whichever is greater), it obtains a difference, or deviation. The guidance subsystem uses deviations to generate corrective commands to drive the missile from a position where it is to a position where it isn't, and arriving at a position where it wasn't, it now is. Consequently, the position where it is, is now the position that it wasn't, and it follows that the position that it was, is now the position that it isn't.
      In the event that the position that it is in is not the position that it wasn't, the system has acquired a variation, the variation being the difference between where the missile is, and where it wasn't. If variation is considered to be a significant factor, it too may be corrected by the GEA. However, the missile must also know where it was.
      The missile guidance computer scenario works as follows. Because a variation has modified some of the information the missile has obtained, it is not sure just where it is. However, it is sure where it isn't, within reason, and it knows where it was. It now subtracts where it should be from where it wasn't, or vice-versa, and by differentiating this from the algebraic sum of where it shouldn't be, and where it was, it is able to obtain the deviation and its variation, which is called error.

    • @versusVSversus.
      @versusVSversus. ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I can't believe I just got missilerolled

    • @Window_ig
      @Window_ig ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@thejheezy4361 damn, bro really copied me when I said that the missile knows where it is at all times. It knows this because it knows where it isn't. By subtracting where it is from where it isn't, or where it isn't from where it is (whichever is greater), it obtains a difference, or deviation. The guidance subsystem uses deviations to generate corrective commands to drive the missile from a position where it is to a position where it isn't, and arriving at a position where it wasn't, it now is. Consequently, the position where it is, is now the position that it wasn't, and it follows that the position that it was, is now the position that it isn't.
      In the event that the position that it is in is not the position that it wasn't, the system has acquired a variation, the variation being the difference between where the missile is, and where it wasn't. If variation is considered to be a significant factor, it too may be corrected by the GEA. However, the missile must also know where it was.
      The missile guidance computer scenario works as follows. Because a variation has modified some of the information the missile has obtained, it is not sure just where it is. However, it is sure where it isn't, within reason, and it knows where it was. It now subtracts where it should be from where it wasn't, or vice-versa, and by differentiating this from the algebraic sum of where it shouldn't be, and where it was, it is able to obtain the deviation and its variation, which is called error.

  • @PhlyDaily
    @PhlyDaily  ปีที่แล้ว +461

    welp this is great

    • @tin8137
      @tin8137 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Hi daddy phly i luv u :>

    • @ermisrigas5664
      @ermisrigas5664 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Isnt it ?

    • @mikear.4062
      @mikear.4062 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      YOU are great ^^

    • @Mudrock_dz
      @Mudrock_dz ปีที่แล้ว +2

      hi I want to play with you

    • @kon_pap
      @kon_pap ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Hey @PhlyDaily love from Greece! Hope the familia is doing lovely!

  • @emmata98
    @emmata98 ปีที่แล้ว +523

    Hopefully they finally will increase the render range to 50 km or so

    • @tensa.02
      @tensa.02 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      in datamine it increased to 20km

    • @Hjiopyu
      @Hjiopyu ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@tensa.02 wasnt that for naval battles only?

    • @emmata98
      @emmata98 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@tensa.02 witch is just barely enough fot the tech now, witch will only increase.

    • @citizenkane2349
      @citizenkane2349 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@emmata98 BURN HER

    • @TheBear710
      @TheBear710 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@emmata98no render distance should be dropped CAS needs a buff we have been getting shat on for the past couple years with top tier AA we need HARM missles and gajin decides to add a AA that can shoot you down in your spawn that’s great

  • @frenchhonhon
    @frenchhonhon ปีที่แล้ว +202

    Vehicles like this would be amazing if Gaijin were to make operation maps like Afghanistan available to ground too

    • @mrsnezbit2219
      @mrsnezbit2219 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Or Ukraine!

    • @dogetothemoon223
      @dogetothemoon223 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      The ground maps are a lot more detailed than the air battle maps. A giant highly detailed map would probably take a lot of resources and increase the loading times. But I'm sure they'll figure it out eventually.

    • @shminkydinky321
      @shminkydinky321 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@dogetothemoon223 just imagine a game mode like the ec map afghanistan with long range tank combat but u can spawn in aircraft too but with less detail (which i honestly wouldn’t mind)

    • @thatonedestroyermain7930
      @thatonedestroyermain7930 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@mrsnezbit2219 we can do that after the war

    • @paulwilliams4371
      @paulwilliams4371 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      never thought about it but that would make sense because if they want to keep adding more advanced sams they kinda need more space to function

  • @Gom2k
    @Gom2k ปีที่แล้ว +88

    This AA can destroy you while the JET on its side cannot see you because beyond a certain distance, the game engine does not display the models of ground vehicles, nice balance gaijin 👍

  • @EnderMalcolm
    @EnderMalcolm ปีที่แล้ว +429

    So the Pantsir not only has the TWS mode, it's also a non-standard radar band, so RWR in game doesn't react to it anyways. It doesn't just not alert you about TWS, it never tells you you're being tracked at all. Lovely.

    • @omnipotank
      @omnipotank ปีที่แล้ว +73

      In theory, starstreaks do not hard lock either and go faster, but gaijin doesn't care

    • @axiolot5857
      @axiolot5857 ปีที่แล้ว +87

      oh boy, the most OP anti air? for russia? impossible

    • @exivu2618
      @exivu2618 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      Rwr doesnt alert you the missile doesnt have a trail 4 guns 12 missiles. I think it needs to be buffed.

    • @adrianotaylor7230
      @adrianotaylor7230 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      ​@@exivu2618 so you want them to nerf it because of how it was designed in real life

    • @mootorkassipoeg
      @mootorkassipoeg ปีที่แล้ว +28

      @@adrianotaylor7230 No, I just don't want them to add it into the game at this moment in time. It's just unbalanced as hell.

  • @TigerJaeger131
    @TigerJaeger131 ปีที่แล้ว +117

    The best way to balance this is to have Russia always face Russia until other nations get something comparable.

    • @shmekelfreckles8157
      @shmekelfreckles8157 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      You’re saying this as if the game is even remotely balanced without this thing

    • @crni_bombarder8352
      @crni_bombarder8352 ปีที่แล้ว

      So when usa got F-14 when no other nations had 4th gen, it was ok, but when Russian gets something it's immediately bad and you need to cry?

    • @TigerJaeger131
      @TigerJaeger131 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@crni_bombarder8352 Why do you assume I was ok with the F-14 being added like that? Not every other player is a US main.

    • @grammarnazi2159
      @grammarnazi2159 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@shmekelfreckles8157 go play world of tanks

    • @shmekelfreckles8157
      @shmekelfreckles8157 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@grammarnazi2159 well, it is a much better game mechanically

  • @danicastaneda1099
    @danicastaneda1099 ปีที่แล้ว +66

    I love how it isn't even visual distance but render distance

  • @classy333
    @classy333 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    14:07 lmao the 2 cruisers having a dogfight

  • @fedegrox
    @fedegrox ปีที่แล้ว +32

    Long distance killing in warthunder has gone nuts.. helis are insane, planes are insane already

    • @mikkel066h
      @mikkel066h ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Welcome to modern combat

    • @Just_A_Random_Desk
      @Just_A_Random_Desk ปีที่แล้ว +22

      @@mikkel066h It's only "modern combat" for Russia though. Mavericks should have a range of 20km

    • @meandthebois7565
      @meandthebois7565 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      ​@@Just_A_Random_Desk They do have a range of 20km in game.

    • @StalledAgate832
      @StalledAgate832 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@Just_A_Random_Desk I've lobbed them from 20km out before with the Harrier. the way Gaijin has it set, the limiter on them isn't the range, it's the render distance and the pod's locking distance.
      And even then, from 20km it's not really ideal to use them because during the time the missile is on it's way, the target likely drove next to a corpse (and thus throwing off he lock because shitty coding) or drove behind cover and thus breaking the lock completely.

    • @harellevi3810
      @harellevi3810 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@meandthebois7565 lately my mavericks refuse to truck moving targets more then 5 km away. Funny thing is in test drive they truck moving targets 10+km away. My guts tell me that this “bug” is somewhat intentional…

  • @shadowguy1112
    @shadowguy1112 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    2:49 I audibly gasped, WTF WHO THOUGHT THAT THIS WAS BALANCED

    • @chickenboi693
      @chickenboi693 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      This was a thing since the tunguska

  • @setesh1294
    @setesh1294 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    They actually increased render/view distance to 20km in this update.

  • @Hunter-rr5ue
    @Hunter-rr5ue ปีที่แล้ว +13

    The milk truck final form

  • @-Echx-
    @-Echx- ปีที่แล้ว +20

    How are you doing, dude. I just wanted to say that you make my day 10 times better when you post, so thank you.

  • @nateshrpd13
    @nateshrpd13 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    Love how one of the most advanced surface to air systems is being added to the game 😂

    • @sadeadspin5031
      @sadeadspin5031 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      Right on the tail of Russia's newest (and non deployed) 2S38, right? There's no bias though...

    • @gavinjenkins899
      @gavinjenkins899 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Definitely not, just the most advanced single vehicle

    • @falafelwaffle8785
      @falafelwaffle8785 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      ​@@sadeadspin5031 ikr? "Losing a war against a much smaller country? Let's make people believe we have awesome anti air when we are getting bombarded in a own cities now"

    • @112mirai
      @112mirai ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@sadeadspin5031 American Bias in top tier air, Russian bias in top tier ground

    • @thestrain.
      @thestrain. ปีที่แล้ว +4

      ​@@112mirai you meant Russian Bias on both sides. 12.0 Air Rb is shit right now

  • @spiritfox557
    @spiritfox557 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    So from what I remember they have to be within a specific angle to lock multiple targets together in the patch notes

  • @gremlin_uwu
    @gremlin_uwu ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Pantsir so OP in-game but irl it can't defend air bases in Crimea from old soviet era drones lol

  • @novocainDaimon
    @novocainDaimon ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Captrain here: in order to bring a truck the fastest way to stop, you downshift your gear in order to use the "engine break". It helps to reduce stress/workload of the breaks.
    *_flies away_*

  • @theinternet7290
    @theinternet7290 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    The only aircraft to out maneuver a 32g missile 16:59 ofc 💀

  • @theflyinggasmask
    @theflyinggasmask ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Honestly, Its gonna be so stupidly OP that I'm not even looking forward to it... Would've wanted to see the TOR or SA-8 OSA way before the pansir..

  • @timarc9895
    @timarc9895 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    "a very fast high five coming towards you" 😂

  • @zano187
    @zano187 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I might be wrong, but if memory serves, the missile is radio guided, with the only sensor the missile has being proximity, if that. All control and guidance being ground side, making it cheap to operate and use.

  • @animationenusw
    @animationenusw ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Finally a Kamaz, we got snowrunner in war thunder!

  • @TheVampyr
    @TheVampyr ปีที่แล้ว +3

    They finally added Truck-Kun. May the Isekai rituals commence.

  • @firexd6211
    @firexd6211 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    To me it looks like if the flarakrad and tunguska had a kid lol, great vids as always though!!!

  • @markcampbell4080
    @markcampbell4080 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I can have the most sophisticated sam system in the world but if you can't keep tires on it then it belongs to the enemy tractors. LOL.

  • @rckxu5969
    @rckxu5969 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    The cruisers in 14:04 are too funny lmao

  • @MrEsphoenix
    @MrEsphoenix ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Is gaijin trying to compensate for real world Russia? Because they're getting a lot of best in game vehicles that aren't needed and have questionable performance.

  • @The_Ahab
    @The_Ahab ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The IRL issue that is causing the Anti-air debalance is that the Soviets/Russia were obsessed with anti-air cover for its ground forces and thus made as many anti-air vehicles as they did tanks and apc/ifvs. Where as NATO felt that they would more than likely have air-superiority (which probably would have been the case) and thus didn't have the need for anything more than tactical level SAMs (Patriots/Hawks) and MANPADs. Yes I know many of the euro nations made quality vehicles like the Falcon, Gepard and the various SAMs, but no nation was as prolific in their AA/SAM vehicles as the Soviets/Russia. Also I feel like this is getting put in game because they're developing the Shrike/HARM anti-radiation missiles and will eventually add those.

    • @theripcord03
      @theripcord03 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      US has the avenger, the m-shorad, hell the Marines even strapped a radar to a Polaris razor and put the launcher on top of a JLTV. We have modern mobile platforms

  • @Leonardo-wn2fp
    @Leonardo-wn2fp ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The reason he has to down shift ist because Gaijin cannot model a proper gear and rev use to this day. Like no kidding, I still have no clue at all why the tank driver revs like a madman whenever he stopped.

  • @defelater1334
    @defelater1334 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    How i am not suprised russians got something best again... :D

  • @kehleaufgrossemstein
    @kehleaufgrossemstein ปีที่แล้ว +41

    In real life, all those missile tubes would be filled with toilet paper rolls.

    • @Polygon-yug-9581
      @Polygon-yug-9581 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      _Least deluded MSM and Reddit fan be like:_ ☝️

    • @kehleaufgrossemstein
      @kehleaufgrossemstein ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@Polygon-yug-9581 It is mostly a joke my man. Never been on a Reddit once in my life, too.

    • @rajaydon1893
      @rajaydon1893 ปีที่แล้ว

      bias

    • @_wayward_494
      @_wayward_494 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      ​@@Polygon-yug-9581 ok mikhail calm down. You can be honest, putin won't push you out of a window here

    • @ommsterlitz1805
      @ommsterlitz1805 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      yeah that's why 12 meters wide drones and helicopters go deep in russia everyday without getting shot lmao what a joke gaijin nerfing all units while buffing only russian ones 🤣🤣

  • @IRLFlightSim
    @IRLFlightSim ปีที่แล้ว +1

    0:15 “wipe anyway our tiers.”

  • @Ah_Shit_Here_We_Go_Again
    @Ah_Shit_Here_We_Go_Again ปีที่แล้ว +6

    OK. Avoiding 10.3+ until other nations get their equivalents. Got it.

  • @emmata98
    @emmata98 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I hope the f14 get's its tracking of 6 targets via tws back

    • @emmata98
      @emmata98 ปีที่แล้ว

      @CHAD THE BORIS that's not the point

  • @kdog3908
    @kdog3908 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Apparently the missile itself doesn't have a seeker. It relies on the launch vehicle to radio course corrections to it. An RWR might pick up the tracking radar but won't get a missile warning because the radar doesn't look like it changes to a dedicated guidance mode.

  • @randyjones9495
    @randyjones9495 ปีที่แล้ว

    9:25 that boom before he crashes is so funny for some reason

  • @coppermouth8965
    @coppermouth8965 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I think the double locking mode is for intercepting missiles more than shooting down multiple planes.

  • @captainAKAcapt
    @captainAKAcapt ปีที่แล้ว +5

    With such range and visibility of missiles, cas will struggle. Hopefullly they willl add some sort of missile alert for modern jets at least.

    • @DatBoi_TheGudBIAS
      @DatBoi_TheGudBIAS ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Goood

    • @StalledAgate832
      @StalledAgate832 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@DatBoi_TheGudBIAS Not really good. you do realize the way this is heading it means that only Russia will be able to use CAS, right?
      As is now, MiG-27s climbing to the upper stratosphere to nuke from orbit is an issue because SAMs don't have the radar angle to pick them up (And with them being that high up, they are out of render distance.)
      The thing keeping them in check is the fine folks who run strictly air superiority with fighter aircraft.
      if those fighters can't spawn because they'd get insta spawn killed by a Pantsir, then there is nothing to keep the MiG27s (Or any other strato-climber that got paired with the USSR.) in check

    • @DatBoi_TheGudBIAS
      @DatBoi_TheGudBIAS ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@StalledAgate832 I mean the part were CAS suffers lol, ik this isn't fair. We just need usa to get one good AA too, and majority of ground matches will be balanced

    • @StalledAgate832
      @StalledAgate832 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@DatBoi_TheGudBIAS There comes another issue, we don't really have any modern single vehicle systems (to my knowledge, anyway), nowadays all we use are SAM systems that divide each role to a separate vehicle.

    • @darthkarl99
      @darthkarl99 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@DatBoi_TheGudBIAS Unfortunatly there''s isn;t any, NATO nations had some real issues with their development programs for cold war single vehicle SPAA systems and never got anything into service, development stopped after the cold war ended. Russia had more luck and continued their programs after the end of the cold war leading to systems like this.
      For a point of comparison the M-247 Duster AAA is contemporary with the Rafel, SU-33, F15E, and the Longbow Apache. It's effectively newer than almost every aircraft currently in game. the only non-helicopter aircraft in game off the top of my head older than it is the new this patch Yak141. Even if you go by the date development started on the M247 instead of the date it was cancelled it's contemporary with the F16A, MIG-29, and Tornado, (i.e the last big update). And it's still the newest system developed by NATO AFAIK, (ADATS was a private company development some years later).
      NATO could probably develop and field somthing on par with the Pantsir if they wanted, they just haven't.

  • @SadisNic
    @SadisNic ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This thing shouldn't have been added, its grossly overpowered. I'll remind you, this is only .3 BR higher than the Otomatic, that can only hit targets dumb enough to fly in a straight line for the 15 seconds of flight time.

    • @bickboose9364
      @bickboose9364 ปีที่แล้ว

      What part of this seemed OP? Phly barely got any kills in this entire vid. Don't worry, you'll just maneuver your plane a bit and be able to clap it easily. If you're in a helicopter, though... RIP.

  • @derpherbert3199
    @derpherbert3199 ปีที่แล้ว

    "AAARREEE YEEEEE WEEAARRRRRRIINNGG AAA PRRROOOOPEEEER KIIILLTT?!?!?"
    "No sir, I got the PANT,SIR"

  • @Bebbsy40
    @Bebbsy40 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Glad you liked the ship spawn above the building!😄(I made the map) @PhlyDaily

  • @Icebrrr
    @Icebrrr ปีที่แล้ว +6

    *Funny part is - IRL this Pantzir is complete trash, but in game it will bury any planes above 10.3 in GRB, later it will bury game itself*

    • @wha200789
      @wha200789 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It isn't. But problem is pansir is pretty modern SPAA while aircraft in game is relatively old compare to it .

  • @AV-8er
    @AV-8er ปีที่แล้ว +1

    CAS got you down?
    The all new Pantsir, the solution to all your problems!

  • @pendraig5446
    @pendraig5446 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    There goes another match making breaker "Shoots SACLOS SAM fire on the move

  • @finskiandguns8534
    @finskiandguns8534 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Classic gaijn giving one nation a next gen vehicle while everyone else gets nothing. Germany is still stuck with 2 top tier mbt’s

    • @wha200789
      @wha200789 ปีที่แล้ว

      Wait, there is nation with more than two MBT for rank 11.3?

    • @Timey472
      @Timey472 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@wha200789He meant the Tier, not the Br. But yes, Sweden and France have 3 11.3 MBTs.

    • @finskiandguns8534
      @finskiandguns8534 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@wha200789 top tier isn’t just 11.3, a trurms has more armour than a leopard

  • @type40imperator
    @type40imperator ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Day 256: Phly, you should play the Hampden TB Mk I. High-yield, low-tier bomber goodness

  • @ereklewallen7447
    @ereklewallen7447 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It’s nice to see they modeled notching. Where traveling at a 90 degree angle beats the radar tracking of the missile. Also it’s funny that this is here and the patriot isn’t a year later even the patriot was technically first developed earlier

  • @TheArbiter1721
    @TheArbiter1721 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So I can kill drones with this thing? Sign me up

  • @asbest6249
    @asbest6249 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Next up: HIMARS in WT :D

  • @iury2218
    @iury2218 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    It should spawn on roofs

  • @andyepix1383
    @andyepix1383 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    And this here is why we need Anti Radiation Missiles.

  • @Red_Salmond
    @Red_Salmond ปีที่แล้ว

    "The rocket knows were it is by knowing were it isn't"

  • @MrPmclh
    @MrPmclh ปีที่แล้ว +11

    We need anti-radar missile now, please...

    • @aegeanharrier6648
      @aegeanharrier6648 ปีที่แล้ว

      Do we? Im certain a lot of people just want vehicle vs vehicle combat in ground.

    • @casematecardinal
      @casematecardinal ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@aegeanharrier6648 yeah but people also want to not get dominated by Russian cas because there are no planes that can do combat air patrol with this thing on the field

    • @casematecardinal
      @casematecardinal ปีที่แล้ว

      @CHAD THE BORIS the ito isn't that good and won't bridge the gap. The flakbus as you call it is the same except it 9nly has two shots before reload. And the adats doesn't have accurate angles so you cant stop planes to space, plus its radar is pretty bad

    • @Paul91415
      @Paul91415 ปีที่แล้ว

      We do not want aviation in a ground battle duh.....

  • @jussi8111
    @jussi8111 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    create a problem, sell the solution. nerf the tunguska to push people gold pantsir. totally not a scummy act

  • @cadorade3075
    @cadorade3075 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    When you have more golden eagles than silver lions 😮😮😮

  • @TheDukeOfThunder
    @TheDukeOfThunder ปีที่แล้ว

    The polite way of saying Panzer

  • @Add12pack
    @Add12pack ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Speaking of insanity could you try and play the aml-90/eland?

  • @qualitycontentchannel4443
    @qualitycontentchannel4443 ปีที่แล้ว

    "A-A humble truck" heh.. hehehe see what we did there

  • @YoRHaUnit2Babe
    @YoRHaUnit2Babe ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Gaijin: *puts these on EC maps for maximum mental torture*

  • @TSF71
    @TSF71 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The TOR for comparison can only launch SAMs at 12KM but the lead on the missile is better on the TOR

  • @Mart1nez_2
    @Mart1nez_2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Please do the XM-1(GM)!! Please Philly

  • @AusExplorer
    @AusExplorer ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Why are they adding modern day AA when the aircraft are 1980s and the render range is 1950s"? Also I love that the ADATS is a full-cost anti-tank vehicle, and this is just an AA.

    • @bickboose9364
      @bickboose9364 ปีที่แล้ว

      In all fairness, the ADATS missile can pen 900mm of armor, whereas the missiles on this most likely can't do a thing against tanks.

    • @AusExplorer
      @AusExplorer ปีที่แล้ว

      @@bickboose9364 Doesn't change the fact that despite USSR already having the Tunguska they are getting another top-tier missile AA while other nations are still stuck with a non-AA AA.

    • @bickboose9364
      @bickboose9364 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@AusExplorer It's the whole Tunguska situation all over again. The other nations will most likely get their own equivalents in the next major updates, but Russia always comes first, because Gaijin.

  • @SomniatisSplit
    @SomniatisSplit ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I've seen a lot of video lately that really overhype the vehicle, not a lot of actual game footage of people playing as the pantsir against F-16 / MIG-29 so I'm glad to see you playing the thing. I understand that many content creators have to surf on the news and make it as entertaining as possible, but gosh the lack of informative and unbiased video on the subject is just hurting the community, and to some extent creating drama for not a lot of reason. I came to the dev server thinking the Pantsir was god tier, I am now on the train of thoughts that it is more of a gimmick than anything else, and having now experienced first hand that the only "problem" that I had with the tunguska is unresolved with the Pantsir I'm even wondering if I will add the Pantsir to my lineup as it is a really fat, hard to hide, slow, and most importantly unreliable SAM as it is in the dev server ! Why do I say that ? I've been trying the Pantsir for few hours now on the dev serv, and here is my conclusion :
    - First the missile : The target lead mode and automatic mode are unreliable, they are dependant on having a stable radar lock which means every chaff, or bug in the system that make you lose the radar track will make the missile miss. The feature seems much much much less accurate than the TOR M1 for some reason. This is a problem in my opinion because why would I want to use 2-3 missiles to manage to kill one target, when I can reliably kill a target with one missile in the 2s6 tunguska.The only reason would have to be the range, which is indeed very nice, but also quite gimmicky as you often realise there is not many spot where you are both safe and have a full line of sight on a plane 20km away, I don't think any experienced anti air player with a top tier SAM really complain about a lack of range, I did not, not a single time thought so with the Tunguska, so yeah at some point having more range doesn't even matter anymore.
    The direct mode of the missile is not that great either because the initial trajectory can make you miss a lot of target at shorter ranges, don't expect to really be able to aim at ground vehicle unless they are fairly far also it prevents you from using missile to duel against incoming barrage of ATGM from helicopters as it is often done by skilled SAM vs Helicopters (yes such things exist).
    The F-16 and mig-29, which are the only 2 real danger right now for a tunguska, still have the advantage on the Pantsir when it comes to pull ridiculous manuvers and droping agm and bombs from space, as long as they are going full throttle and not in a straight line they can fairly reliably evade the missile, I was surprised to even see some target actually dodging the missile unintentionnally while dogfighting with other jet.
    - Second the canonns : they are the same as the tunguska, the suspension of the vehicle on the other hand is not, which leads to you overshooting ground target if they are in short ranges just because of the vehicle tilting from recoil, don't think of them as a miracle weapon of self defense against ground vehicle, remember that you are I think the tallest ground vehicle in the game which makes some encounter very awkward ! But against air target, this is a different story, they are still beast when it comes to shoot down sneaky helicopter, and low flying CAS, and I must say there is something funny about the russian schoolbus of doom firing like a maniac.
    - Third the radar : It might be the dev server, or not, but the tracking radar have a lot of small interruption when tracking fast movers, making you lose the track for half of a second, which is very concerning for the lead mode / automatic mode of the missile that no longer is in lead mode as soon as it lose the tracking. I believe it is one of the main reason why the system feel so unreliable overall, and makes you shoot several missile for one target. The 50km search radar seems honestly pointless with the current map in war thunder, having the radar range set to 50km was mostly annoying because you can't really see anything on the radar HUD, the real wonder of that radar comes from the vertical angle tho that is very wide.
    - Forth the multi target : Well it is there, is it good ? Gimmick ... Again ... You can indeed fire at several target that are close in an area (45°x45°) that is if 1) you trust your tracking enough to completely give up on guidance 2) you have several target in that area 3) said the targets are not going on opposite direction, in all the game I did it happened only once for me and I did not fire because one was already too close and would have not been tracked long enough to get hit by the missile. I guess I can see it working on drones but I havn't seen any in my games.
    Now as I said at the beginning, I do not want to dive on the vehicle controversy, I will just say it wasn't something russia needed, I do think other nations such as Italy, Japan or Israel really need a decent SAM system ASAP.
    Now is it a wonder weapon, no, not in the state it is in the dev server in my humble opinion of a fairly experienced anti air enjoyer in several nations ...

  • @grievetan
    @grievetan 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    sucks in real life
    completely OP in game
    good job Gaijin

    • @SomeOne-ph1gw
      @SomeOne-ph1gw 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      womp womp, cry more

  • @tajw9289
    @tajw9289 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Downshifts to neutral so the truck doesn’t stall out at low RPMs. If he was in first at the idle which I’m guessing is 900, truck would’ve def stalled out.

  • @LTFP-fw3it
    @LTFP-fw3it ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Yes this is exactly what we needed

  • @Leo-eh8hm
    @Leo-eh8hm ปีที่แล้ว +3

    in reality, these "Pantsir S-1" burn perfectly in Ukraine.

  • @AlreadyTakenTag
    @AlreadyTakenTag ปีที่แล้ว +6

    In my opinion this spaa is too advanced to be included in the game at the moment. The soviets should have been given the TOR M1 instead.

  • @johndoe9575
    @johndoe9575 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    We better get the M727 I-HAWK now

  • @m_swizzy22
    @m_swizzy22 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Well, playing against SA-22 Pantsir is fun in DCS, I wonder how playing it against jets it sees because stealth doesn’t exist feels like.

  • @slobmarley9070
    @slobmarley9070 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    In reality, it can’t shoot down a drone from the 1980’s 😂😂😂

    • @JM64
      @JM64 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's funny you say that because the Pantsir actually specializes in shooting down drones (and it has the combat record to prove it). One of its uses is to act as air-defense to larger air defense systems like the S-300/400 against missiles and drones.

  • @DarkSoul1992
    @DarkSoul1992 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    To me, with the current maps' widths, the Pantsir seems a little gimmicky. There's not that much of an advantage being able to shoot down planes at 15+ km, when visual obstacles (tree lines, buildings, mountains etc.) are blocking sight and reduce it to a range, where other AA's are preforming roughly the same.

    • @thombrick
      @thombrick ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Most airspawns are 13kms from the enemy spawn. I think CAS and heligrinding will become useless for a while XD

    • @JKGaming1414
      @JKGaming1414 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @CHAD THE BORIS because the 2S6 isn't the second best top tier spaa already lol (after vt1).

    • @pepecinque7150
      @pepecinque7150 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@JKGaming1414 its not bro it’s garbage lmfaoo. Missiles are shit. ADATS and TOR are way better. Stop crying

    • @JKGaming1414
      @JKGaming1414 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@pepecinque7150 then why do I have about 2.4 k/d with the 2s6 and only around 1.7 with the adats?
      The 2s6 has irst, actually useful guns and proper elevation angle. All of these are huge advantages. The adats might have good penetration for its missiles, the whole situation is fcked already if it has to go anti-tank.

    • @JKGaming1414
      @JKGaming1414 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@pepecinque7150 how many battles do you have with the american adats? What's your k/d with it?

  • @edwinsten7830
    @edwinsten7830 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wirlewind: let me interdose myself now!

  • @danieljacksen3253
    @danieljacksen3253 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Yeyy more Ruschen bias

  • @benbutkett6285
    @benbutkett6285 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Day 3: teach the kid that the A-10 says BRRRRTTTT

  • @fomnik9276
    @fomnik9276 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    well if it can intercept HIMARS missiles landing in general proximity, ofc it will be op against planes that fly 300-500 m/s with much larger radar signature. Now only airfield spawn at 12.0, air spawn is scary

  • @emmata98
    @emmata98 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    19:30 and therefore you can do only SEAD not DEAD, by disabling the aa and then go for tanks with Maveriks or so

  • @superbrain3848
    @superbrain3848 ปีที่แล้ว

    IRL the Missile shoots steel rods outwards to damage aircraft, no large explosive mass needed to do this.

  • @bradsheap6474
    @bradsheap6474 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    RUSSIAN BIAS. America has always been far more advanced than any nation other than maybe Germany as far as weapons and armed vehicles and anti aircraft. Yet USA gets none of our overpowering weaponry where as Russia not only gets their best stuff but gaijin also makes it way more survivable than irl. The realism is the only reason I’ve liked this game. So now what’s left?

    • @Jaidenisstacked
      @Jaidenisstacked ปีที่แล้ว +10

      russian game so they make themselves op 🤦‍♂🤦‍♂🤷‍♂🤷‍♂

    • @alexey_chekhovich
      @alexey_chekhovich ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That thing u described. About being most advanced. It never was a thing, ever. In everything apart some of the aerial vehicles, US was at best subpar to everyone else. All it’s history. Never had good ground forces, no proper tanks, no proper artillery, literally no capable anti air at all. Focused solely on aerial domination since US has an “island protected by waters” ideology. Just as Britain was before, no proper ground forces but the strongest navy.

    • @bradsheap6474
      @bradsheap6474 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@alexey_chekhovich interesting theory

    • @alexey_chekhovich
      @alexey_chekhovich ปีที่แล้ว

      @@bradsheap6474 facts bro, facts.

    • @bradsheap6474
      @bradsheap6474 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@alexey_chekhovich well while we are on the topic America should have a larger team and more accurate and deadly artillery as well because Russian artillery is so bad that when they aim for military installments they kill innocent civillians

  • @matsi1944
    @matsi1944 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    It seems to be working better in Warthunder then in real life 🤦😅

  • @USSWisconsin
    @USSWisconsin ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I feel like once stealth aircraft are added this should be bumped up 8j br to them

  • @carstenh3924
    @carstenh3924 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    And only one country got something like this...

  • @victortinti
    @victortinti ปีที่แล้ว +25

    Day 489: Phly, I challenge you to get 8 kills in one game with the SU-5-1. This MBT/Tank Destroyer is severely underloved in your channel.

    • @kipanz6649
      @kipanz6649 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      489!?!? Good lord dude…. Awesome dedication

    • @lexif.5463
      @lexif.5463 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@kipanz6649he's probably exaggerating

    • @thecatbims1795
      @thecatbims1795 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@lexif.5463 He's not....

    • @kipanz6649
      @kipanz6649 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@lexif.5463 I like to think he’s not

    • @victortinti
      @victortinti ปีที่แล้ว

      I started on November 2020. Today it is routine.

  • @thesaltysierra5202
    @thesaltysierra5202 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I see actual potential for SEAD planes like the F-15/18. I know the game is slightly biased, but I can see ways to balance it out.

    • @Boris_The_Turtle
      @Boris_The_Turtle ปีที่แล้ว +5

      This AA could theoretically be countered in game right now, from long range with mavericks. The problem is though, that the render distance isn't long enough to use things like mavericks at long enough range. So you end up in a situation where you are more vulnerable to the SPAA than they are to you, since you are too close.

    • @thesaltysierra5202
      @thesaltysierra5202 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Boris_The_Turtle that's theoretically an easy fix too, but the snail gods demand more sacrifices.

  • @dukeofwar1003
    @dukeofwar1003 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ooo we get to see what weapon's been used in the killfeed now nice!

  • @thewolfofwarthunder
    @thewolfofwarthunder ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The real joke is the devs said today that the Tunguska is “underperforming”, yet they won’t share the statistics with the community. And we all know that the Russians have a pretty shaky relationship with the truth as it is, so this certainly doesn’t help things. And then they have the audacity to wonder why they’re questioned by the community? Absurd.

  • @jtrec7157
    @jtrec7157 ปีที่แล้ว +36

    Love the content Phly, keep it up!
    Combo time, non premium p61 black widow and m4a2.
    Attempt 149

    • @tsp5590
      @tsp5590 ปีที่แล้ว

      Or the PBJ-1H

    • @CosmoNoBones
      @CosmoNoBones ปีที่แล้ว

      Sounds like a phun video

  • @kylerekedal1439
    @kylerekedal1439 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    KA-50 mains will still say the ADATS is overpowered

    • @scl9671
      @scl9671 ปีที่แล้ว

      *Laughs in Stormer HVM*

  • @jetolow
    @jetolow 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    5:06 well acually the loasat is the most fast

  • @airegonhahaha5807
    @airegonhahaha5807 ปีที่แล้ว

    NaUKaBOMg comin in with the chair

  • @V1CT0R_2
    @V1CT0R_2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    If warthunder adding AA like this then we gonna need more modern fighters

    • @Adierit
      @Adierit ปีที่แล้ว +3

      The counter to AA like this is electronic warfare, they would jam and had missiles that specifically hone in on whatever is sending out radar signals.

    • @Alpha1598753
      @Alpha1598753 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      ECM pods and anti radiation missiles will likely be the only counter after super low fly by

    • @V1CT0R_2
      @V1CT0R_2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Alpha1598753 or they could add stealth mechanics for a certain altitude like 300FT or smth

    • @urielOrnstein
      @urielOrnstein ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Or just play ground vehicles in the GROUND game mode?

    • @DatBoi_TheGudBIAS
      @DatBoi_TheGudBIAS ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@V1CT0R_2 300ft? Bruh dats low af

  • @ToMMi808
    @ToMMi808 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    They should make it work like that in IRL too

    • @infinitetk4165
      @infinitetk4165 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Too much cnn and msnbc rots the brain 💀

    • @ToMMi808
      @ToMMi808 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@infinitetk4165 Said like a true NPC

  • @BasTSLA
    @BasTSLA ปีที่แล้ว +1

    phly you forget some stuff about the this spaa
    it can shot at the move and it can lock 4 targets and shot them down at the same time !

  • @jackplays2236
    @jackplays2236 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    “sir the target is over there!”
    “roger that, *r e m o v i n g o v e r t h e r e*

  • @hokagotanktime5551
    @hokagotanktime5551 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Seems perfectly balanced and nothing wrong with it at all!

  • @goman5523
    @goman5523 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I know in our sph its an “automatic” but manually shifted and to go into neutral you have to go through each gear but if your in high gear and stop without shifting it will absolutely stall out

  • @theshadywolf6677
    @theshadywolf6677 ปีที่แล้ว

    The ultimate helicopter killer