Keep giving us honest down to earth reviews as you always do! No company puts out perfect bows everytime. So many great bows and bow companies out today. Thanks
@@jw-vx8im I shoot a Bear cruiser g2. It's my main hunting bow. I also still use my Bear whitetail 2 for recreational shooting. I also hear great reviews on the Bear Alaskan. Best of luck! And hope this helps.
Thanks for reading the comments and having another crack at this bow, i appreciate your time and effort to do so. Would it be possible to test another basin out of the box to just check if this was a one off that slipped through quality control or if there is an issue from the factory with this model?
I love elite, for myself as i buy the flagships. but for my two boys???? i got one of them the ember and it was nice, till now, outgrew it and I refuse to just buy a bow and have it shipped to me. REALLY appreciate you. Elite should as well, take criticism and fix the next bow. They really need to start carrying a camo in some of these, at least one. geez
Wow you really went above and beyond with spending all that time fixing Elites mistake. I have two Elites and its disappointing to see that more care wasn't taken. My Elites are much pricier models, but you can't sell a beginner a bow that is so messed up! Shame on Elite and kudos to you! 👏👏👍👍👍
The Envision that was straight out the box 5 minutes and shooting. I would say the top end Elites are good. The Basin is just sensitive at the end. The Basin comes set at 25" so I guess at 25" it was fine. I think the issue comes from the longer draw and the module design. The Terian which I will release tonight had no issue. Straight out the box easy.
It's also a good reason why I would want to go to a dealer if I get a compound. You can can get help to adjust things there and if it still isn't to your liking you can go to another model and se if you like it better. In this case you might opt for a more expensive model.
I've owned and own 4 Elites that requires removing the stops. Yes it is a pain in the ass so don't get in a rush. For a shop it's time consuming and the cost can add it up I'm sure over many bows. Personally, I really don't mind it too much as the bows are fantastic machines IMO. Very seldom do I have to press an Elite. New string-cables once in a while and then maybe once after the strings have been shot some to correct the timing. The timing has to be as exact as possible. This is important for all bows. Not just the Elite
Wish I would have watched this review. First time shooting a bow. At my local shop the basin was all they had for me. Was having a hard time with the other bows they had at the time. After seeing your review I would have gone with a way cheaper bear bow.
as always great review with tons of good info, the time it takes to tune would be impossible at our local shops...absolutely no way in hell they would dedicate 30+ minutes on a $500 US bow. *** do want to point out you mentioned LIMB stops several times and then at 22:55 you point to them when you talked about let off.... you are not using limb stops, they never came close to hitting the stop plate. Not sure if something is wonky or you just said limb stop when you meant to say cable stop. I know the pain of a hard to set up / tune bow.. my favorite bow ever was the Win&Win Arion but once it was time and I replace the strings/cables it never made it back to spec so I get a 5 inch + nock high paper tear, it vibrates and its not as nearly as accurate for me larger groups and my flyers are WAY out. Going forward I will have to buy my own press or buy whatever bow brand the shop is most familiar with. thanks for the honest talk on archery gear, its the ONLY channel I can find like this... some others I like and watch but clearly they have favorites and pick and choose what to give a "bad" review on or are just brand commercials parroting the marketing BS.
We made new strings for the bow and still had a wobble. One of my customers put dloop in his and it fixed it. It is frustrating when a bow does not work. Started the TS330 video - wow this is a great bow- great cams. Finished it with never stocking this again.
You would think as much as bows cost now days they would come in time from the factory. How does that pass factory quality control? I currently shoot Elite and I think this is very lazy on Elite’s behalf. I understand it is not a flagship bow, but this is still very poor. I am very disappointed in Elite. Time for me to consider other bow companies. Great follow up review. Thanks
@@mattstrada8634 actually yes. Shipping a bow that far out of time is pathetic. How would that ever pass inspection? Total joke. Just my opinion. I am glad you find it amusing.
Conversely as an American Engineer, I think river basin... Hunters out west will also refer to mountainous valleys as basins.. Steven really did all he could for this bow... I have an Elite Valor and has been an excellent little bow.
Ah, as a plumber in the UK, a basin is specific to a bathroom or toilet, whereas a sink is specific to a kitchen. I believe the same applies to anywhere in the English speaking world EXCEPT America. Yes, River basin exists, but is specified as a river basin. Some things simply don't translate. We call erasers "rubbers"... and that wouldn't translate to America well 🤣🤣🤣
Yes it would but only a little - twisting the cables moves one of the cams. But it would be minor. I think it was 8 twists in the end. I think the poundage dropped my reducing the draw too.
Anytime ever that I time a camp ever ever that I time my camps I'd never go more than depending on the gap if it's a small gap I do a 1/2 return which to do one turn you don't just turn it over you turn it over then you turn it over again that's 1 hoe oscillation 360ﾟ I always put the twist into the one that is hitting 1st the cable that is hitting 1st gets the twist
Let this be a lesson to you. Shoot the Bow Shoot the Bow Shoot the Bow Shoot the bow before you buy the bow!!! I don't care what the name is do not buy it until you shoot it!!! This could have been a giant cluster f for a regular customer in a regular shop. Because there is no way that my archery shop would put this much effort into making something shoot right.
There is no way in h*** no way you should ever put more than a few twists into a string if you put 8 twist and do a string you're trying to push all those twist underneath that serving and it's gonna cause it to come undone exists the string is string is junk so it'll weigh if you have to put that many twist the string is junk
There is no better, more honest, more genuine reviewer in the Archery industry. You can't change my mind
Keep giving us honest down to earth reviews as you always do! No company puts out perfect bows everytime. So many great bows and bow companies out today. Thanks
Always enjoy the honesty from you where most reviewers seem more like advertising lately.
Most honest reviewer on youtube.
Thanks Steve!
I will stick with my Bear archery equipment.
what bear do you suggest for a begginer. I've shot recurved for years want to play with some technology
@@jw-vx8im I shoot a Bear cruiser g2. It's my main hunting bow.
I also still use my Bear whitetail 2 for recreational shooting.
I also hear great reviews on the Bear Alaskan.
Best of luck! And hope this helps.
Thanks for reading the comments and having another crack at this bow, i appreciate your time and effort to do so. Would it be possible to test another basin out of the box to just check if this was a one off that slipped through quality control or if there is an issue from the factory with this model?
Just picked up the package deal I love the bow but I’m also brand new to this
Thank You Steve, Please carry on as you do ? I agree with everything the Guys before me said > You are the Best !!
Love the review. I think ill stay with PSE products for now
I love elite, for myself as i buy the flagships. but for my two boys???? i got one of them the ember and it was nice, till now, outgrew it and I refuse to just buy a bow and have it shipped to me. REALLY appreciate you. Elite should as well, take criticism and fix the next bow. They really need to start carrying a camo in some of these, at least one. geez
Wow you really went above and beyond with spending all that time fixing Elites mistake. I have two Elites and its disappointing to see that more care wasn't taken. My Elites are much pricier models, but you can't sell a beginner a bow that is so messed up! Shame on Elite and kudos to you! 👏👏👍👍👍
The Envision that was straight out the box 5 minutes and shooting. I would say the top end Elites are good. The Basin is just sensitive at the end. The Basin comes set at 25" so I guess at 25" it was fine. I think the issue comes from the longer draw and the module design. The Terian which I will release tonight had no issue. Straight out the box easy.
It's also a good reason why I would want to go to a dealer if I get a compound. You can can get help to adjust things there and if it still isn't to your liking you can go to another model and se if you like it better. In this case you might opt for a more expensive model.
Hey Steven, Did you consider using the yoke twists to achieve smaller amounts of cam timing movement?
I've owned and own 4 Elites that requires removing the stops. Yes it is a pain in the ass so don't get in a rush. For a shop it's time consuming and the cost can add it up I'm sure over many bows. Personally, I really don't mind it too much as the bows are fantastic machines IMO. Very seldom do I have to press an Elite. New string-cables once in a while and then maybe once after the strings have been shot some to correct the timing. The timing has to be as exact as possible. This is important for all bows. Not just the Elite
Ahhhha TV adds,.......... Lancaster yep. 🏹🤠👍
Wish I would have watched this review. First time shooting a bow. At my local shop the basin was all they had for me. Was having a hard time with the other bows they had at the time. After seeing your review I would have gone with a way cheaper bear bow.
Love your determination
as always great review with tons of good info, the time it takes to tune would be impossible at our local shops...absolutely no way in hell they would dedicate 30+ minutes on a $500 US bow. *** do want to point out you mentioned LIMB stops several times and then at 22:55 you point to them when you talked about let off.... you are not using limb stops, they never came close to hitting the stop plate. Not sure if something is wonky or you just said limb stop when you meant to say cable stop. I know the pain of a hard to set up / tune bow.. my favorite bow ever was the Win&Win Arion but once it was time and I replace the strings/cables it never made it back to spec so I get a 5 inch + nock high paper tear, it vibrates and its not as nearly as accurate for me larger groups and my flyers are WAY out. Going forward I will have to buy my own press or buy whatever bow brand the shop is most familiar with. thanks for the honest talk on archery gear, its the ONLY channel I can find like this... some others I like and watch but clearly they have favorites and pick and choose what to give a "bad" review on or are just brand commercials parroting the marketing BS.
Great look into bow setup!!
Is the bowtech amplify better than tye basin
Would love to see a video on timing the Topoint TS330. Lol
We made new strings for the bow and still had a wobble. One of my customers put dloop in his and it fixed it. It is frustrating when a bow does not work. Started the TS330 video - wow this is a great bow- great cams. Finished it with never stocking this again.
@@ArcherySuppliesLonsdale Such a shame. I had high hopes as well. Hopefully they can come back with an improved model.
I’m having the same issues. I cannot get it to time. No matter what cable/ yoke adjustment I do I cannot get it to time.
Being in the same price point would you pick this or the ember?
You would think as much as bows cost now days they would come in time from the factory. How does that pass factory quality control? I currently shoot Elite and I think this is very lazy on Elite’s behalf. I understand it is not a flagship bow, but this is still very poor. I am very disappointed in Elite. Time for me to consider other bow companies. Great follow up review. Thanks
yeah right, you plan on changing from Elite because somebody had cam timing out? 😂
@@mattstrada8634 actually yes. Shipping a bow that far out of time is pathetic. How would that ever pass inspection? Total joke. Just my opinion. I am glad you find it amusing.
I agree
Thats better!!!!! To bad it was soo out of time... Better bows to come!!!!!
Who signed off on calling it the Elite Basin? It sounds like something made by Armitage Shanks and made of porcelain.
Definitely something lost in translation there lol. Outside of America pretty sure everyone thinks of a sink when you say basin
Conversely as an American Engineer, I think river basin... Hunters out west will also refer to mountainous valleys as basins.. Steven really did all he could for this bow...
I have an Elite Valor and has been an excellent little bow.
Ah, as a plumber in the UK, a basin is specific to a bathroom or toilet, whereas a sink is specific to a kitchen. I believe the same applies to anywhere in the English speaking world EXCEPT America. Yes, River basin exists, but is specified as a river basin. Some things simply don't translate. We call erasers "rubbers"... and that wouldn't translate to America well 🤣🤣🤣
Why didn't Elite expand on the Ember's success???!!? Seems there are better setups. Great Review!!!!
This is the bigger ember. But the Terrian the other new Elite is the Basin with a Hybrid cam. I should drop that video tonight.
Hey Steven, cheers for the video, what winch are you using on the drawboard.
Which in your opinion is the better shooting bow, the Elite Basin or the Elite Embark?
i have this bow and my buddy has an amplify. i prrefer the basin and i have 0 issues with it
I wish I could try before I buy. No shops anywhere near me :(
Does the nocking point change when you put twists in the cables ?
Yes it would but only a little - twisting the cables moves one of the cams. But it would be minor. I think it was 8 twists in the end. I think the poundage dropped my reducing the draw too.
Brand new and already off time?!
You always add twist to the one that is hitting 1st
Why didn't you put a stabilizer on it?
I do all the videos the same. So I can compare.
Anytime ever that I time a camp ever ever that I time my camps I'd never go more than depending on the gap if it's a small gap I do a 1/2 return which to do one turn you don't just turn it over you turn it over then you turn it over again that's 1 hoe oscillation 360ﾟ I always put the twist into the one that is hitting 1st the cable that is hitting 1st gets the twist
Let this be a lesson to you. Shoot the Bow Shoot the Bow Shoot the Bow Shoot the bow before you buy the bow!!! I don't care what the name is do not buy it until you shoot it!!! This could have been a giant cluster f for a regular customer in a regular shop. Because there is no way that my archery shop would put this much effort into making something shoot right.
There is no way in h*** no way you should ever put more than a few twists into a string if you put 8 twist and do a string you're trying to push all those twist underneath that serving and it's gonna cause it to come undone exists the string is string is junk so it'll weigh if you have to put that many twist the string is junk
Just like the piece of crap echelon from a few years back, absolutely untunable no matter what you try