Mason Jars in the Freezer | Can They Handle the Cold?

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  • @1870s
    @1870s  ปีที่แล้ว +29

    Let's call this myth busters of homesteading. I am not sure where the thought process originated which says you can not freeze products in Mason Jars, but it's completely false. I have been freezing safely in Mason jars for years and never had a single jar break. Watch this guide for tips on how to safely freeze in glass jars.
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    • @jensdailylife4656
      @jensdailylife4656 ปีที่แล้ว

      It’s even right on the box packaging freezer safe 🤷‍♀️

    • @Karen-sv9yn
      @Karen-sv9yn ปีที่แล้ว

      Do you use the same jars for heat canning or do you keep them separate

  • @susanhopkins3324
    @susanhopkins3324 ปีที่แล้ว +56

    I like to store chopped onions this way, no onion odor in freezer.

    • @TheSwissy4me
      @TheSwissy4me ปีที่แล้ว +9

      That’s a great idea!

    • @cynthiafisher9907
      @cynthiafisher9907 ปีที่แล้ว

      Good idea!

    • @sheilaimhof7915
      @sheilaimhof7915 ปีที่แล้ว

      I need to try this for onions! Great idea

    • @NYNY-900
      @NYNY-900 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you Susan! Great tip!

    • @pink071602
      @pink071602 ปีที่แล้ว

      I never thought to do this. Thanks for the great idea.

  • @threadlovert1393
    @threadlovert1393 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    I’ve always froze food in my Mason jars. I learned that from my mom. She did it for over 50 years. She even placed seeds that she was going to plant next year in jars and placed those in the freezer. She passed away last year on Mother’s Day. Dad passed a few months later. I still miss them both. They’d be happy to see I’m still canning, planting and most likely they’d be interested that I’m now freeze drying. I never heard that myth that you could not freeze items in jars. I wonder how that started?

  • @suemagyari2992
    @suemagyari2992 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    If a person tends to knock the frozen jars into something they can get breakage.The easy fix for this is to use sox or sleeves that have holes and cannot be used for clothing anymore. Just slide the sock or sleeve over the jar so that any hard knocks get absorbed by the fabric. Works great.

  • @k.p.1139
    @k.p.1139 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    I LOVE freezing in my jars! Been doing it for years. For us, it's part of our storm prep! I make coffee, fill some jars and in the freezer! That way, I have coffee 😁😁AND, if the power goes out, it's free ice to help keep stuff frozen. Also, having leftovers frozen, works the same. Meals already done, thaw heat and serve. You can set thawed jars right into water, and boil it to heat the leftovers..No pots to clean.

    • @Greens5511
      @Greens5511 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Oh my goodness, that's a great tip on heating it up in boiling water 👍👍 I never thought about that!

    • @brianczuhai8909
      @brianczuhai8909 ปีที่แล้ว

      Can you pull the top off and nuke it in the microwave frozen? I can with my plasticware or pop it into a bowl to do so, since it doesn't have shoulders like a glass jar might.

  • @Greens5511
    @Greens5511 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I do freeze in jars for many years, but I have had my share of breakage. It's a learning curve, on staying well below that line that won't b there is older jars. I personally won't use regular lid sized jars they will break easier especially with liquids. Also I always refrigerate the contents overnight before putting them in the freezer.

    • @AzaleaBee
      @AzaleaBee ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I am the same. I freeze in wide mouth mason jars that have no neck, cool in the refrigerator first (also great for removing a film of fat off stock), and I do not use my older more antique jars for freezing.

  • @valeriejohnston6574
    @valeriejohnston6574 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    I didn’t know you could freeze oil. Thanks Rachel! ❤

    • @texasshire760
      @texasshire760 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Me either. I’d love to hear more about that…

    • @Nancy-zk9dj
      @Nancy-zk9dj ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yes, I never thought of doing that either.
      I've seen herbs chopped up and frozen in ice cube trays filled with oil, just never thought to freeze the oil. This helps a lot!

  • @MaryBornforHealth
    @MaryBornforHealth ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Thanks, Rachel. One thing I do now is put a ring of parchment paper on top of what I am going to freeze in the jar because I've found it prevents freezer burn. Crystals form on the top of liquids as it freezes and these can sometimes get freezer burn and affect the flavor of what it is you are freezing. I simply put the lid on top of wax paper or parchment paper and draw a circle; then when I am cutting, I cut inside of the circle I drew.

  • @magsstewart5488
    @magsstewart5488 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Yanno, I’ve never heard to not freeze in jars, but it’s honestly never in my life occurred to me to do so! I have tons of store jars/lids that I was just about to clear out, too. I don’t know why you posted this video today, but you just made my day!

  • @thatlittlehomestead
    @thatlittlehomestead ปีที่แล้ว +9

    This is great. Thank you for sharing❤️
    I started freezing whole organic milk that my husband and I get at Costco because we could not finish the 2 gallons by exp.. It’s $11.99 for 2 gallons so the price is great! It started with excess I would freeze but now in order to not have to go to Costco as often we buy 4 gallons at once and I put it into wide mouth quart jars to freeze. I fill to about an inch from the curve then I let that freeze over 24 hours. I save some extra of the milk for “ topping off”. The following day I pull all the jars out and top them off, after freezing I put a plastic lid on each jar. I keep 2-3 quarts at a time in the fridge and as we use them I just add another jar into the fridge to defrost. It tastes after shaking nearly exactly like fresh milk. It also saves a lot of money and prevents waste.

  • @katel9378
    @katel9378 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    I always freeze in jars. The only thing I do is leave the lid off overnight. That way if something expands too far, I won't damage the jar. That said, I do take care watching the fill line. Once it's frozen I put the lids on. Probably not the way to do it, but it has worked for me. I was paranoid in the beginning. My method started because of that.

    • @Nancy-zk9dj
      @Nancy-zk9dj ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I've done that too!

    • @thestickerfarm1254
      @thestickerfarm1254 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That’s how I do it also. Freeze without lid, then put lid on.

    • @bevwilson982
      @bevwilson982 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I freeze with the lid on, but loose. Then I tighten it the next day

    • @laurenrzempoluch2569
      @laurenrzempoluch2569 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I've heard that's actually the perfect way to do it

  • @gardengrowinmawmaw8642
    @gardengrowinmawmaw8642 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Pull an old sock up over those jars, and they will be further protected from breaking when bumped.

  • @elliev3593
    @elliev3593 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I am so glad you made this video. I started using canning jars for freezing soups a few years ago and recently started hearing folks say that was a no no.
    What I do before putting the jars in the freezer, I put the jars in the fridge overnight, then move them into the freezer the next day. That’s worked out really well.

    • @kathysoltys3104
      @kathysoltys3104 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes. I found that to be my downfall with broken jars too.

  • @oceangolf3076
    @oceangolf3076 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Thanks for the information. Without knowing I recently froze quarts of pea soup and chicken noodle soup. I didn’t realize there was a mark so I will look for it in the future. I stayed an inch down and haven’t have any problems so far. New at canning and preserving so it’s nice to receive confirmation that I’m doing the right thing

  • @franwilson9324
    @franwilson9324 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Thanks Rachel. In all my 50+ years of freezing in jars, I’ve only every had one break. It was totally my error, a regular mouth jar that I overfilled. I was probably in a hurry and not being careful enough.
    I appreciate you sharing your experience and wisdom!

  • @buckonono7996
    @buckonono7996 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    In addition to wet types of foods, we also freeze things like Chex Party Mix and Puppy Chow in glass jars. They stay fresh and it helps to make in advance of the holidays. I think freezing in glass is really the way to go. No warped container, no stains or odors. We use any type of glass jar but I go for the non canning jars first. You never know when a good deal will turn up and you might need the canning jars for that.

  • @n3rdygrl
    @n3rdygrl ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thanks for sharing this! I've always been amazed when anyone looks in my freezer and gets upset when they see things frozen in jars. Less is more when you're freezing liquid no matter what container you use. They can all "explode" in the freezer if you overfill.

  • @hopeup2792
    @hopeup2792 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks for sharing about other empty store jars. I had to check because I didn’t have any freezer bags for let over stew… this will save me money on using some of those in the future for some items. Thanks again for your effort to share.

  • @charlenegrady8781
    @charlenegrady8781 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thank you Rachel. I have never froze anything in my jars but now after seeing this video I’m not afraid to try. Thanks again❤️🇺🇸

  • @sherrylynn4671
    @sherrylynn4671 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I haven't even started watching your video yet but just had to comment to say how happy it makes my heart to see your beautiful canning pantry. And your hair is so pretty!

    • @laurenrzempoluch2569
      @laurenrzempoluch2569 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Isn't it just lovely!! All that lovely canned food!! I want to come to dinner at your home Rachel!!

  • @lannettewilson9553
    @lannettewilson9553 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you sooooo much. I beleived the myth for yrs. I cant tell you how much broth i have tossed. Thank you.

  • @heatherrue2655
    @heatherrue2655 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    When a jar doesn’t seal, in the freezer it goes ❤

  • @mrsaguas524
    @mrsaguas524 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you Miss Rachel for this video. And you’re so pretty!!!!!

  • @wendyrotchstein
    @wendyrotchstein ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I appreciate the information and I did do some research at the Ball website and the National Center for Food Preservation, yes you can freeze in Mason jars but they do caution against using store bought jars. I'll just be safe and use my freezer safe Pyrex dishes with the silicone lids. They stack better in a freezer.

  • @cherokee8647
    @cherokee8647 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good video....thank you! Glad to know about store bought jars Too. 👍👍👍👍

  • @tinatippin5705
    @tinatippin5705 ปีที่แล้ว

    I am absolutely blown away. So many brilliant ideas. My sweet husband will stop giving me a hard time about saving certain store jars and working those labels off. I use them for dry storage, jams and spices, but thought the freezer was off limits unless I invested in new canning jars. This is so liberating! Proves I can still learn new things at my age. Thank you and so many other ladies who have shared their practical uses.

  • @littleearth-steading3673
    @littleearth-steading3673 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I feel like this is inspirining a canned freezer pantry challenge?? Loved the video and thank you for your advice!!

  • @Famcke
    @Famcke ปีที่แล้ว

    ❣ - MUST WATCH VIDEO!!! Great info! Thank you for sharing 💐 💙🙏🇺🇸

  • @sailorgirl2017
    @sailorgirl2017 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is the pantry of my dreams!! I love it. I live aboard a sailboat now, so my pantry is different, but I love this so very much. Thank you for discussing freezing with mason jars, I will remember that.

  • @rachelmick4051
    @rachelmick4051 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you for the education, Rachel!

  • @carolynsinyard1306
    @carolynsinyard1306 ปีที่แล้ว

    I never thought about freezing in jars, but I will start using some of my jars in the freezer. Have a blessed weekend.

  • @gilthedrummer
    @gilthedrummer 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    awesome vid! i had never thought of this method, and it's crazy cause i have hundreds of jars around from canning! And thanks for reassuring that the jelly jars wont break as mason says. You got yourself a sub!

  • @mrs.creeksidemaples2866
    @mrs.creeksidemaples2866 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’m like you Rachel… use what I have on hand and freeze in my jars without breaking… EVER… take care and have a blessed day!!!

  • @marking-time-gardens
    @marking-time-gardens ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you Rachel for another great food preservation tip! Blessings on your day Kiddo!🥰🌻🐛💕

  • @brianczuhai8909
    @brianczuhai8909 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Wow! That's a biggie! Thought you were crazy when you were reorganizing your freezer and pulled out some. Worth looking into again. I seemed to recall glass pop or beer bottles will break. We used to put them in there for quick cooling but forget about them.
    Krogers had a sale on 1/2 gal milk. Put one in the freezer. and the plastic expansion bits on the side expand out. That's a great tip for leftover canning items you don't have enough left for another jar to vacuum seal. You can recycle your used lids for that.
    You must actually read the canning book or something.

  • @CherylAnderson0
    @CherylAnderson0 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I have used canning jars to freeze in mostly when I didn’t have anything else at the time. Currently I have about 4 gallons citrus juice frozen I didn’t want to can because heat changes the taste a bit and frozen thaws tasting perfectly fresh. One thing I do you didn’t mention (besides leaving extra headspace for expansion) is freeze with the lids loose then after it’s frozen solid then tighten the lids tight. It’s just how I’ve always done it thinking then there’s no pressure in the jar when the liquid expands. I’ve not had any break either and it’s not something I like to do using my canning jars that way nor do it unless I really need to but it certainly works well.

  • @paulacanyon1085
    @paulacanyon1085 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks,. I can start using my extra jars

  • @merrilynhurd850
    @merrilynhurd850 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great news. Thank you so much.

  • @homesteadwithhannah
    @homesteadwithhannah ปีที่แล้ว

    Jars are the best investment - not only for regular canning but so many other storage needs! Thanks for "myth busting"!!

  • @donnacaputo3078
    @donnacaputo3078 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Good info. Clears up a lot of questions about which jars to use and how to fill. Thanks so much for sharing.

  • @evaarnim
    @evaarnim ปีที่แล้ว

    I agree I put the other half of a jar in freezer allot thank you

  • @sandrad682
    @sandrad682 ปีที่แล้ว

    I also use mine following the same guidelines. I've never had one break. Thanks for sharing with everyone Rachel.

  • @jonizabel1952
    @jonizabel1952 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for addressing this Rachel! I have heard people saying we can't freeze in maso jars, but it definitely caught my attention when I saw your jars in the freezer. Thank you, as always, for great, useful content! Blessings ❤️

  • @tibbs4000
    @tibbs4000 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks so much Rachel! I have had anxiety about glass jars bursting in my freezer but thanks to this advice I just bought 3 liters of buttermilk ranch dressing for a steal and then froze it in glass jars. All still intact! Thanks again.

  • @lynsmith2698
    @lynsmith2698 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video Rachel. I too have been freezing in jars for decades as well. Thanks so much. 🇨🇦🌷

  • @susanmassey9635
    @susanmassey9635 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you so much for this information .

  • @OldCritters
    @OldCritters ปีที่แล้ว

    Great point I’ve been reusing jars for this for 40 years. Excellent video.👍💞

  • @judydrouhard2651
    @judydrouhard2651 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good to know. Thanks🥰

  • @billierichter1379
    @billierichter1379 ปีที่แล้ว

    Your hair looks beautiful!

  • @daveandellenbartlett8725
    @daveandellenbartlett8725 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I actually never considered freezing leftovers in jars 😮 great tip!

  • @LindaYoung-nw4xl
    @LindaYoung-nw4xl 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I leave the lid to the jar loose or expansion. I tightened it down after it freezes.

  • @bethanystallings1818
    @bethanystallings1818 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is going so save me so much in gallon size ziplock bags! Thank you! I don't know why I never thought to use my jars for left over freezer meals.

  • @maryloudonovan5148
    @maryloudonovan5148 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I’ve frozen soup in jars, thought I left enough space, but didn’t know exactly where the fill line was. My breakage trouble came mostly during thawing until I read that one should remove the lid.

  • @michelewilliams6241
    @michelewilliams6241 ปีที่แล้ว

    I get so excited when I see you post a new video!

  • @nikiforsyth3025
    @nikiforsyth3025 ปีที่แล้ว

    You're amazing! Thank you!

  • @pamelaulrich8615
    @pamelaulrich8615 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have frozen in empty jars and Mason jars for years too...I currently have bone broth and freezer jam and applesauce in my freezer...never have had a problem

  • @mckus20011
    @mckus20011 ปีที่แล้ว

    Cool I didn’t know that. Thanks Rachel 😊

  • @tristaperkins7112
    @tristaperkins7112 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    When I do a huge batch of homemade soup or huge batch of spaghetti sauce, I always freeze in either my store jars or half gallon pickle jars. It works perfectly.

    • @tristaperkins7112
      @tristaperkins7112 ปีที่แล้ว

      I just always try to use the jars that aren't as easily use for heading, for my freezing. And freezing glass totally reduces the freezer burn aspect.

  • @leesamahaffey694
    @leesamahaffey694 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have frozen in jars many times and never noticed the fill line for freezing. Learned something today :) Thanks!

  • @juliahunt4526
    @juliahunt4526 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have been canning food all my life … been freezing only a year now because I didn’t want freezer burnt .. wow I am going to freeze everything now I can’t can … thank you so much for your videos…

  • @darleneneumann5182
    @darleneneumann5182 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for the information

  • @debramede3735
    @debramede3735 ปีที่แล้ว

    I lost food freezing in mason jars, but it's because I didn't observe headspace guidelines, and it was a regular mouth jar with a neck. So now I will try again. Thank you.

  • @Karen-sv9yn
    @Karen-sv9yn ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I freeze in jars all the time. What I learned was that if you are going to use them for freezing then don't use the same ones for heat canning. No idea if this matters but it just makes sense in case the jars are compromised in any way from the freezing.

  • @cathyb3790
    @cathyb3790 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome ,,,I am presently digging in my cupboard and finding my glass jars to use ,,Thank You ,,I also use all the yogurt ,sour cream containers I have they are Great too,,,plastic would probably thaw quicker ,,but heck use what you already have 👍

  • @Brenda0312F
    @Brenda0312F ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you so so so much!

  • @ThePurposefulPantry
    @ThePurposefulPantry ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm with you! Use those jars as long as you give them space!

  • @lynnebrown-hardy1566
    @lynnebrown-hardy1566 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great information

  • @Jamesjghome
    @Jamesjghome ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey Todd, love ya like a brother. Shouldn’t that far right Lolly column be secured. Eech, ouch, oh my.
    Love Rayshulls canning expertise, don’t let no beam fall on her, she’s precious Todd. TAKE CARE OF HER
    ‼️happy spouse =Happy House ‼️

  • @liancabastian6732
    @liancabastian6732 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm so glad you did this video. Thank you, Rachel ❤

  • @soundcanheal
    @soundcanheal 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video! Thank you

  • @evelynjolliff2799
    @evelynjolliff2799 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you🌷

  • @soniab.estacio3008
    @soniab.estacio3008 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you ❤ God bless .. I use my mason jars in the freezer

  • @ariainman6691
    @ariainman6691 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great Info. Thank you

  • @GlitterandJams
    @GlitterandJams ปีที่แล้ว

    I have frozen many times in jars! So convenient for leftovers and extra canning ingredients! ❤❤

  • @gardeningcookingandlife2924
    @gardeningcookingandlife2924 ปีที่แล้ว

    I am so glad you posted this video. I will definitely start freezing in jars.

  • @tracycouture3955
    @tracycouture3955 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesomeness 💐💃 I saw your jars in the freezer so I tried it with my batch of Turkey bone broth 💞 now I can make chicken and beef bone broth and have it handy in the freezer since I use them so often 🙏Blessings

  • @victoriajohnson3034
    @victoriajohnson3034 ปีที่แล้ว

    I use my canning jars for all things food! Freezer, fridge, canning, vacuum sealed, vinegars, fermentation, you name it!!

  • @hollynelson543
    @hollynelson543 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Rachel ❤

  • @tonia5182
    @tonia5182 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Rachel, I never knew you could freeze food in canning jars. Thanks for that insight 👍 👌

  • @cynthialewis7080
    @cynthialewis7080 ปีที่แล้ว

    Have a blessed weekend.

  • @kimfowler6132
    @kimfowler6132 ปีที่แล้ว

    This was perfect timing! I was just wondering about this today! 😘

  • @vnickcolvin4971
    @vnickcolvin4971 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have frozen broths and leftovers, these tips are worth repeating too!😊❤

  • @sandyarcher8104
    @sandyarcher8104 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you so very much

  • @laurabrown5983
    @laurabrown5983 ปีที่แล้ว

    good info and some good tips from comments

  • @monteapiechocki4588
    @monteapiechocki4588 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great info!!!

  • @kathleenbell218
    @kathleenbell218 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The problem I have had is quart jars. I make a carrot cauliflower soup that is blended. I have had quart jars break even though I have left space for expansion and used wide mouth. I think what may have happened is the top part of the soup froze first and didn’t allow the bottom part of the soup to expand up.

  • @lavernfoy4591
    @lavernfoy4591 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you so much for the wonderful information about freezing in jars, that’s amazing ❤️

  • @scrapbookingwithjen8622
    @scrapbookingwithjen8622 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have frozen potato soup in mason jars and have had two break. Could be because I froze them in regular mouth and maybe overfilled. I did make sure to cool them first.

  • @kittyrichards9915
    @kittyrichards9915 ปีที่แล้ว

    I pushed the fill limit on chicken broth and broke a couple jars. Learned my lesson.

  • @kevinlittle9483
    @kevinlittle9483 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you! I did not realize you could do this! I learned something new!!🤗

  • @elizaC3024
    @elizaC3024 ปีที่แล้ว

    I freeze pesto in jars regularly, half pints and pints, never a problem. Leave head space, then there's no problem 😊.

  • @victoriajohnson3034
    @victoriajohnson3034 ปีที่แล้ว

    Never thought of freezing my herb infused oils!! Great idea!!!!

  • @lisajenson1982
    @lisajenson1982 ปีที่แล้ว

    ❤ Thank you for this video!! I froze some chili in a mason jar, and it cracked. I was thinking because a temperature change.....NEVER occurred to me I over filled it!!

  • @ThatBritishHomestead
    @ThatBritishHomestead ปีที่แล้ว

    i go use mine in the freezer all the time with no issues. I leave the lid loose till its frozen and extra head space for it to expand

  • @donnamcknight3175
    @donnamcknight3175 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you Rachel. I had no idea!

  • @YH7R
    @YH7R 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    awesome breakdown thanks YAH BLESS

  • @denisebrady6858
    @denisebrady6858 ปีที่แล้ว

    Brilliant video Rachel as I believed the Myth too hahaha. I won't from now on. Cheers Denise-- Australia

  • @juneauesque
    @juneauesque ปีที่แล้ว

    This came at the perfect moment. I have a few quarts of chicken broth and not enough time to can that I wondered if I should freeze.

  • @doubles1545
    @doubles1545 ปีที่แล้ว

    I freeze jars, too, and the only time one broke is when I dropped it 😆

  • @BroomstickChik
    @BroomstickChik ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for this video! I had no idea!