This is interesting and all but heres a quick PSA: If you're always cutting 250 and always boosting 4k you're probably gonna ruin some of your mixes. All these "eq your vocal like this" and "eq your kick drum like this" tips messed me up when I was learning to mix. Just listen ffs 😢
It's good to have starting points though. You can easily find the frequencies between 1 and 5 K (I know he said 2 to 4K) that make the vocal sound louder when you boost them, most people can easily hear that, without any mixing experience at all. Thinking, I need more in the 1 to 5 range, so I'll try a cut around 250 to 350, is not so instinctive, and a very good thing to know. You say " If you're always cutting 250 and always boosting 4k..", and you'd be right, but that's not what he said anyway!
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Idk why you’re complicating the process of mixing so much like “how long it takes for sound to wrap around the head” you can ask a top engineer of the industry like leslie bradwaithe any of this stuff and he wouldn’t have a clue yet they have astonishing mixes, go with what your ear tells u, some of these techniques are handy don’t get me wrong but only to an extent.
@@JicoDmusic We may need a physics a major to settle the debate, but my intuition tells me that the transfer of energy should faster in a medium with more densely packed molecules
So we're confusing two concepts of materials here. Density is one and rigidity is the other. Higher densities slow down sound as do less rigid materials. Air is less rigid and less dense than a head, which is more rigid and more dense than air. Generally, rigidity has more effect of the speed of sound transfer so sound travels as 331m/s in air and around 1540m/s through human tissue. In the example in the video, assuming a 56cm head, sound would hit your left ear drum then be transferred via your tissue to your right ear drum around .036 second later. But then the sound from the original source via the air would also reach your right ear as well around 0.16 second later. AND THEN sound transferred int he air reverberating off a wall/other surface would arrive at some indeterminate time, muddying up everything else anyway. The replication of location accurate hearing is a difficult topic and hard to manage at the best of times in a mix over headphones/monitors. It's also difficult because everyone's head is a different size and they would experience this phenomenon differently. As always with mixing, start somewhere sensible (like the 1.14ms suggestion in the video) then tune it until it sounds best to you on a sound system you trust. Edit: frequency attenuation is still an issue through more dense materials though.
TLDR: don't worry about it. It's an advanced technique probably 99% of pro music mixers never use. Honestly how important is it that your listener believes a sound is coming from the side of his head? I would guess it would come in handy more for dialogue, or surround sound situations. Normal panning is easier and we're already used to hearing it that way in music recordings. Main vocal up the middle, or double it and pan LR for an effect. You can pan multiple harmony vox.
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Bro is a vocal scientist...1.14 millisecond ...sound wraps aroud our head ...😮😮😮 Love learning new things
We must keep in mind also the size of the head 😆
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The real life will implify this effect if you are going to use speakers. Nice thing only for headphones
This came right on time. Sage audio is a must.
How about a recording vocal preset! Salute to the greatness of the channel!
This video will save someone going for a mixing session today, thanks Sage.
I think I’ve actually seen someone who did Afro Pop before so it might be worth trying out for a month for $15
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This is interesting and all but heres a quick PSA: If you're always cutting 250 and always boosting 4k you're probably gonna ruin some of your mixes. All these "eq your vocal like this" and "eq your kick drum like this" tips messed me up when I was learning to mix. Just listen ffs 😢
Yea, not to go too crazy on it because too much 2k will hurt your ears creating harshness too.
Truth
for real, the real science is is the room resonance, mic qualities, and the qualities of the vocalist, indeed listen ffs
It's good to have starting points though. You can easily find the frequencies between 1 and 5 K (I know he said 2 to 4K) that make the vocal sound louder when you boost them, most people can easily hear that, without any mixing experience at all. Thinking, I need more in the 1 to 5 range, so I'll try a cut around 250 to 350, is not so instinctive, and a very good thing to know. You say " If you're always cutting 250 and always boosting 4k..", and you'd be right, but that's not what he said anyway!
Listen and look at the freakin spectrum, you can see if something is off and compare it to other stuff.
song name?
Great job
This is SOOO helpful! Thanks!
Thank you.🙏
Hey Sage do you still do a free mastering samples for clients and subscribers?
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Hey sage, is there a way i can pay for the membership through my apple wallet instead of the credit card??
I think we should be able to do this, please reach out over email to admin@sageaudio.com to check in about this, thanks!
@@sageaudio I’m not getting the option. 😩 sigh i wanna Join so badly
This is really science 🧪🔭
Do you have a mixing service?
Who the artist, what the song?
Good video
The membership has so much value now it's stupid to not buy it if you are trying to make music professionally. 20 mastered songs is worth hundreds itself
Tips
Do you have Afrobeat engineers in your sage membership??
I mix afrobeats. Tap in
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Idk why you’re complicating the process of mixing so much like “how long it takes for sound to wrap around the head” you can ask a top engineer of the industry like leslie bradwaithe any of this stuff and he wouldn’t have a clue yet they have astonishing mixes, go with what your ear tells u, some of these techniques are handy don’t get me wrong but only to an extent.
Wouldn't the the speed of sound be faster when travelling through the bones of your skull and brain as those are denser than air (normally) ?
You mean slower?
@@JicoDmusic We may need a physics a major to settle the debate, but my intuition tells me that the transfer of energy should faster in a medium with more densely packed molecules
So we're confusing two concepts of materials here. Density is one and rigidity is the other. Higher densities slow down sound as do less rigid materials. Air is less rigid and less dense than a head, which is more rigid and more dense than air. Generally, rigidity has more effect of the speed of sound transfer so sound travels as 331m/s in air and around 1540m/s through human tissue.
In the example in the video, assuming a 56cm head, sound would hit your left ear drum then be transferred via your tissue to your right ear drum around .036 second later. But then the sound from the original source via the air would also reach your right ear as well around 0.16 second later. AND THEN sound transferred int he air reverberating off a wall/other surface would arrive at some indeterminate time, muddying up everything else anyway.
The replication of location accurate hearing is a difficult topic and hard to manage at the best of times in a mix over headphones/monitors. It's also difficult because everyone's head is a different size and they would experience this phenomenon differently. As always with mixing, start somewhere sensible (like the 1.14ms suggestion in the video) then tune it until it sounds best to you on a sound system you trust.
Edit: frequency attenuation is still an issue through more dense materials though.
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I didn’t get the 1ms delay part
Basically where the chorus effect starts.
TLDR: don't worry about it. It's an advanced technique probably 99% of pro music mixers never use. Honestly how important is it that your listener believes a sound is coming from the side of his head? I would guess it would come in handy more for dialogue, or surround sound situations. Normal panning is easier and we're already used to hearing it that way in music recordings. Main vocal up the middle, or double it and pan LR for an effect. You can pan multiple harmony vox.
@@mattclark7825 thanks bro
If sound travels at 1140 ft/sec then it travels 1 foot in 877 microseconds. Where the heck does 1.14ms come from?
Sound is bound to the limits of our universe, art is not. The moment your focus becomes the science, you've lost. Art is art... Make music and feel good making it. 💪🏽
not sure why you’re making this point here. music making isn’t just an art, it’s a craft. learning mixing techniques is a way to hone your craft.
You want perfect vocals get a Justin Bieber in the room 😂
people can hear very slight difference between two tones far less than 1-3%.