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The frustrating thing for me, as someone who has read about Napoleon, his life, and the people around him, there is great material for a really nuanced take on the legacy he left behind. On one hand, he certainly was a man of the enlightenment era. He introduced some very impressive reforms to French society and law. Elements of his Napoleonic Code are still in place in the legal system in France today. Our modern understanding of Egyptian culture comes from his campaign in Egypt (and no, he did not blow up the Pyramids. They were over five miles away from them during The Battle of the Pyramids.) He brought scholars, scientists, anthropologists to study the culture. At the same time, he was a man who seized power through military force. He was egotistic, which proved in many cases to be his undoing. He invaded Spain due to his own arrogance. He wasn't above forcing countries to his will. He also legalized slavery in the empire after it had been abolished in the French Revolution. There is plenty to dislike about him. There is so much more to Napoleon than just what Ridley Scott presents here. He was a brilliant military leader and politician. His troops worshipped the ground he walked upon as if he were blessed by divine providence. They carried his eagle standards into battle like religious relics, simply because they were touched by his own hand. At the same time he was brutal, arrogant, and to put it simply human. He is one of the most fascinating characters in history, and with everything he did both positive and negative, his story, as well as the story of those who surrounded, such as Josephine, Maria Louise, Marshal Davout, Marshal Murat, Marshal Ney, Marshal Lannes, and so many others, deserves to be heard. I think for me, what really left a sour taste in my mouth before the movie even hit theaters, was how Ridley Scott reacted to historical criticism. Any period piece is going to have inaccuracies. You have to to form a proper narrative. But when historians criticize gross historical inaccuracies, and even lies, and your response is either "Get a life" or "Where you there? No? Then shut the #%@ up!) I don't have the best opinion on your work. As someone who has had to deal with deconstructing the misconceptions of history to the public, it rubbed me the wrong way. TLDR - Not a fan 😕
Crazy that a lot of people don't know about Napoleon, and he's 1 of the greatest battle commanders in human history... probably the greatest ever. Between him and guys like Alexander the Great, and Julius Ceaser.
yes Napoleon is my favorite battle commander and i also like alexander, Cesar and Genghis khan i was so hyped and ready to go see this movie back at thanksgiving until i started hearing mixed reviews that made me back off and lower my expectations i just think its a shame with so many great battles they could have shown his rise through the ranks that's my favorite part is seeing someone come from humble beginnings and end up on top
I love chatting about it, but I think Wellington floored Napoleon. Duke of Wellington never lost a battle after he was given command, he earned his way to his rank as opposed to buying it and he is famously the one that outplayed Napoleon. I actually think it's a shame Napoleon is so much more famous than he is.
Interesting that he released Barry Lyndon instead and everyone hated it - now of course it’s hailed as a masterpiece proving once again that critics haven’t a clue
I'll give Ridley Scott credit for the battle on the ice, though. It's a fantastic scene rivaled only by Joaquin Phoenix and Vanessa Kirby goofing around as they portray their characters' silly flirtations.
It certainly is a cool visual. The shots from underneath the ice were particularly good. The thing I find funny and frustrating at the same time, is that while Ridley Scott is clearly trying to knock Napoleon down a few pegs, he inadvertently bought into one of Napoleon's greatest pieces of blatant propaganda. Yes it is true that towards the end of the Battle of Austerlitz, a number of Russian and Austrian soldiers retreated south over some frozen ponds. Yes it is true that the French artillery fired at them and some of the soldiers fell through the ice and drowned. But Napoleon is the one who played up the numbers of the dead, saying that hundreds if not thousands of soldiers were drowned by his artillery. In reality though, we have evidence that after the ponds were drained, only a couple dozen bodies were found. And even if there were more men who fell into the water, most accounts agree that the ponds were shallow, with men able to stand in them. Only the wounded were at greater risk of drowning. Again, I agree that the scene is visually stunning. The camera work is excellent and the effects are amazing. I just find it funny that while Ridley Scott is trying to present Napoleon as "not all that," he still perpetuates some of the Emperor's own propaganda. LOL😄
Not to mention the fact that the Napoleon actually used the dense mist on the battlefield to shield part of his troops until the right moment, which in itself would have been brilliant to see on screen. So it's not like Scott couldn't have kept more true to the Battle of Austerlitz without losing the sense of spectacle.
So I saw this in D-Box, okay, and I KID YOU NOT, because these seats MOVE with the movie, the chairs actually moved when they were doing IT! It was weird and strange, and it was the filthiest cinematic moment I've ever been immersed in! LOL
@@ObligedUniform Ya, my local Cinemark has had them since last June, and I really enjoy them (when worth it of course!)! They only have 2 rows of them but it's like I'm on a theme park attraction almost!
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“French Joker” is probably as apt a description as possible. I was telling people that it wasn’t like Joaquin Phoenix was playing Napoleon. It was more like the Joker was playing Napoleon 😂
Joaquin Phoenix is one of the greatest actors ever no question and it’s funny how he’s had so many brilliant performances a lot of them are even better than the joker performance but all ppl compare his performances to is joker😂 don’t get me wrong it’s an amazing performance but he’s acted way better than that imo
Napoleon was actually average to slightly above average height for his time. The reason why he gets labeled as short is due to English propaganda and the English/French measuring systems were slightly different. Napoleon also looked short because he always stood next to his Old Guard which had a minimum height requirement of 5'10 though most in the Old Guard were taller than the minimum height requirement.
Napoleon's physician measured him at 5'2" upon death, by today's imperial measuring that'd be 5'6". Average for the time, shorter by today's standards.
@@ObsessiveGeekYeah humans aren’t that tall, we have definity gotten taller thru out time but the avarage is definitly NOT 5’11 or 6’0, but yet again, it also depends where you come from😊
In Cinematography standards, it’s a great movie…but historically, it’s very very shit. It doesn’t stay very true to history unfortunately. At least with, for example, Fury, you know you’re going into a historical fiction movie. A movie based on real larger scale events, but of course, fictional smaller scale events. In Napoleon, it’s been hyped up as a documentary, but it’s not. And that’s what pisses me off.
Even with Napoleon you guys crack me up haha Greg side comments haha..not what I expected with this movie. Very rushed from one scene to the next timeline wise. I’m with Greg on this one. Again your commentaries made the watch enjoyable
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he actually won the Borodino, but you can say both won. The French army won this battle and made Russia retreat. But Russia also achieved its goal of reducing French troops.
Speaking of Marie Antoinette... If you haven't seen it, you should totally check out Sofia Coppola's "Marie Antoinette" starring Kirsten Dunst and Jason Schwartzman. So good!
thanks for this reaction.. i'm subscribed now.. i think most of all the people wanted a history lesson.. but i think this was perfect as an introspect for those that already know the history
I saw this in the cinema. I was really looking forward to it although somewhat skeptical due to the decision to allow Joaquin to use his own accent. Decided to put that aside but regretted it. I don’t think timeline biographical movies work. Ridley should have focused on a specific period of time, or even just the battle at Waterloo. Just his love story would have been acceptable. On a positive note, Vanessa Kirby was great, as always.
They should have gotten a younger actor to play napoleon. napoleon was 24 when promoted general, and 30 when he took power in france. Joaquin phoenix is in his 50s playing a 20 something year old character.
I get your apprehension about ‘The Last Duel,’ but if you decide to watch it, I’d love to see your reaction to see what you guys think of it. I enjoyed it.
My take on this movie: The extras, art department, costume department and effects team showed up to work every day. The script writers and historians did not.
You guys managed to elevate a very dark comedy to a light and enjoyable experience, so thanks for that! We are in an age of cinema that seems to be focused on the death and destruction of icons and there are some who would say this is a good thing.
That movie is what made me learn about the history of Napoleon Bonaparte despite all of the historical inaccuracies. I wish it was done right and directed by a French director instead of Scott.
@@Proudtman Yes! A French director who knows very well about the history of Napoleon Bonaparte and other events that happened in France from the French Revolution to the Battle of Waterloo. 🇫🇷🇫🇷🇫🇷
Beavis and Butthead do "Napoleon" - but thanks guys. In his earlier years, Ridley Scott made a beautiful film set during this period - "The Duellists - which I guess you will enjoy. Similarly, Rod Steiger's portrayal of Napoleon in the 1974 film "Waterloo" was superb as was the film, made in an age before CGI.
9:58 apparently there was another film maker that was looking for a Sailing ship for their film (not sure who or what movie for) and everyone basically laughed at them and were like "dude, Ridley Scott has rented use of every period ship out there so good luck" lol
I think you’re confusing writing with directing because in what way is the directing bad? It’s literally the best part of the movie. If you dislike the writing/decisions for the method of telling the story, that’s fine, but the direction is undeniably breathtaking.
I wouldn’t call Phoenix a bad actor lol. I feel like he really did this movie because it gave him another chance for working with Ridley Scott again. Other than that, Phoenix gives his all in all his other movies.
My only flaw would be that it’s impossible to cover everything. It would have been better had it focused on one part of his life; much like Waterloo did.
I think a pretty good film that could've show the negative side to Napoleon would be following his last campaign before his exile. When everything is coming apart for him and he is trying desperately to save everything. You could see political intrigue as Talleyrand secretly conspires against Napoleon with the Sixth Coalition. You'd have a pretty interesting character in his second wife, Maria Louise, as she tries to secure a future for her son. You'd see how his marshals were trying to do their best for him, while also questioning whether or not blind allegiance to Napoleon was best for France. That I think would be a great movie, if not maybe multi part mini series.
@@MoleyRusselsWart_ nobody hates anything because other people hate it thats just a lie made up by morons who think anyone who doesn't agree with them are joking or making things up
28:50 probably the best scene in the movie. out of the rough 20 billion people that have existed in this planet since that time, show me even a handful who had spent *A WHOLE NIGHT* with their lovers, doing nothing but *TALKING* things through, with an open heart. one, here.... anyone else? show of hands? no? keep paying for therapists and counselors then.
I think this movie was badly represented in the Trailer and teasers. They give you the belief this is going to be a Grand Epic but it was really more focused specifically on Napoleon and Josephine. A lot of research was done into the letters from Napoleon to Josephine over the years which there are thousands of. I still was pretty disappointed in the movie as a whole... but maybe the 4hr directors cut will be better lol
This film depicted Napoleon as a man child with an inferior complex, which seems like Hollywood just wanted to besmirch his name. Theres a reason as to why he was beloved as much as he was by the people and why his men return to him after his banishment. The 1970 waterloo film gives a much better representation of who he was while maintaining historically accurate. Plus that film gives a way better depiction of what went down at Waterloo. The best thing about this movie is the action. Also Josephine was heavily “Hollywood”
If you look at this as a standard action film: It’s a really good time If your someone like me who is studying history in college and has studied significant parts of napoleon’s life: It’s slightly more…. Questionable
As much as I didn't want to, I stopped watching this version about half way through when it kept occurring to me just how much 'in-between' scenes must have been cut for this to appear like a best-of/highlights reel. I'm really hoping to be literally shocked at how 'fluid' it ends up being in the extended cut. In the meantime the wait is killing me 😂
I'm not necessarily looking forward to it on a script level. Yes there are more than likely a lot of scenes that were cut that would probably explain some more context, but in the end, I didn't enjoy this movie at a basic script level. The writing, in my own opinion was bad. So if the four hour cut is going to be the same script, but more, I'm not sure if it will be any better of a story.
@@tinmanbrigade7304Agree typically scenes cut from the theatrical version are done to keep the pacing smoother as well as anything that feels out of place with the overall theme of the movie so I seriously doubt any of that will improve the experience.
Yeah this one was a mess. And I know this isn't the only movie to do this but it bothered me that literally nobody in this movie even tried to speak with a French accent. Joaquin also seemed to, for the first time that I've experienced, really phoned in this performance.
for those complaining about historical accuracy, the actual facts and nuisances of the story just PALE in comparison to the sheer production value. those are REAL BOATS you see there! timber-framed, rigged, gunned floating hulls, as per 18th century standard, made by actual workers, in the year 2023! that is REAL carpentry and REAL cutlery adorning the halls! that is REAL tailoring and REAL goldsmithing dressing the actors! did Napoleon do all these feats we see him do in the movie? yes... so, the movie is faithful. did he take 100 men when the record says 250? who cares!
I found it amazing, and it baffles me that Americans know shit about a worldwide historical event and character like Napoleon that most of us learn about in junior high, even when The French used the American Declaration of Independence as a template when drafting the Declaration of the Rights of Man and the Citizen in 1789 and he massively changed history, politics and economy forever for everyone.
This movie could've been way better especially with the cast they have. I liked certain scenes and while im not an expert i have read about napoleon. Idk it was a good watch definitely something im glad was available for streaming. Thank you guys for the reaction 💯🙏
This film is something alright lol, I don’t hate it but I was kind of expecting the Oppenheimer treatment for Napoleon, sadly disappointed lol, expectations too high ig
Marie Antionette does get a LITTLE bit of a bad rap, but the French Monarchy was WAYYYYY out of touch and had been for years which is what led to the Revolution (obviously theres a lot that goes into this)
I got to think...so they lost 3 million. Between them Russia. Then world War 1 and 2 and Vietnam and Korea. And all the other wars we got going on currently we still keep growing as a species. Its insane
I watched this in cinema and wasn't really enjoying it (the battles were awesome though) I feel like the relationship stuff really pulled this movie down in a bad way, it just wasn't really shown well I feel
Still going through your fun reaction, but you've kind of hit my issue: This is a very, very long movie where stuff just happens. None of it matters, relates, or tells a story, it just occurs. Also, sweet mercy does this movie have no idea about history. Just truly, really kills me.
Did you guys realise that after the baby was born it was the execution of the mother you could hear in the background?! I thought for sure that would be your biggest reaction of anything in the movie...
@@sebastianplenkers2093 Is that what it was? I thought I definitely heard screaming before the gunshots. I don't know how long she lived in real life. In the movie it looked like the reason for the Russians turning against France.
Napoleon was one of the most charismatic as well as politically and militarily impactful figures in human history…and an infamous skirt chaser. Any of those would have made an excellent film and none exist in this movie…it was a big miss.
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Fun Fact: The director said only 40% of the movie is accurate.
Your review was great , unlike this shit movie.
@@RealTurbidHereI’d say less
The frustrating thing for me, as someone who has read about Napoleon, his life, and the people around him, there is great material for a really nuanced take on the legacy he left behind. On one hand, he certainly was a man of the enlightenment era. He introduced some very impressive reforms to French society and law. Elements of his Napoleonic Code are still in place in the legal system in France today. Our modern understanding of Egyptian culture comes from his campaign in Egypt (and no, he did not blow up the Pyramids. They were over five miles away from them during The Battle of the Pyramids.) He brought scholars, scientists, anthropologists to study the culture.
At the same time, he was a man who seized power through military force. He was egotistic, which proved in many cases to be his undoing. He invaded Spain due to his own arrogance. He wasn't above forcing countries to his will. He also legalized slavery in the empire after it had been abolished in the French Revolution. There is plenty to dislike about him.
There is so much more to Napoleon than just what Ridley Scott presents here. He was a brilliant military leader and politician. His troops worshipped the ground he walked upon as if he were blessed by divine providence. They carried his eagle standards into battle like religious relics, simply because they were touched by his own hand. At the same time he was brutal, arrogant, and to put it simply human. He is one of the most fascinating characters in history, and with everything he did both positive and negative, his story, as well as the story of those who surrounded, such as Josephine, Maria Louise, Marshal Davout, Marshal Murat, Marshal Ney, Marshal Lannes, and so many others, deserves to be heard.
I think for me, what really left a sour taste in my mouth before the movie even hit theaters, was how Ridley Scott reacted to historical criticism. Any period piece is going to have inaccuracies. You have to to form a proper narrative. But when historians criticize gross historical inaccuracies, and even lies, and your response is either "Get a life" or "Where you there? No? Then shut the #%@ up!) I don't have the best opinion on your work. As someone who has had to deal with deconstructing the misconceptions of history to the public, it rubbed me the wrong way.
TLDR - Not a fan 😕
Honestly, you should just watch 1970 Waterloo to get a good cinematic depiction that shows Napoleon in a nuanced light.
History nerd
@@TheAOTSdude Indeed I am😁
also its comedy @@tinmanbrigade7304
@@TheAOTSdude the attack of the show?
Crazy that a lot of people don't know about Napoleon, and he's 1 of the greatest battle commanders in human history... probably the greatest ever. Between him and guys like Alexander the Great, and Julius Ceaser.
yes Napoleon is my favorite battle commander and i also like alexander, Cesar and Genghis khan i was so hyped and ready to go see this movie back at thanksgiving until i started hearing mixed reviews that made me back off and lower my expectations i just think its a shame with so many great battles they could have shown his rise through the ranks that's my favorite part is seeing someone come from humble beginnings and end up on top
Welcome to America.
And Wellington
Sorry, we're Americans and we only know Napoleon from Looney Tunes
I love chatting about it, but I think Wellington floored Napoleon. Duke of Wellington never lost a battle after he was given command, he earned his way to his rank as opposed to buying it and he is famously the one that outplayed Napoleon.
I actually think it's a shame Napoleon is so much more famous than he is.
Kubrick's dream was to do a Napoloeon film - can you imagine how epic that would've been?
would pay through the nose to have seen that
We ended up getting Barry Lyndon instead
Steven Spielberg is working on an HBO mini series based on Kubrick's Napoleon script
Interesting that he released Barry Lyndon instead and everyone hated it - now of course it’s hailed as a masterpiece proving once again that critics haven’t a clue
Fun Fact: The director said only 40% of the movie is accurate.
I love how we're in France and I've heard every accent but French so far
I'll give Ridley Scott credit for the battle on the ice, though. It's a fantastic scene rivaled only by Joaquin Phoenix and Vanessa Kirby goofing around as they portray their characters' silly flirtations.
It certainly is a cool visual. The shots from underneath the ice were particularly good.
The thing I find funny and frustrating at the same time, is that while Ridley Scott is clearly trying to knock Napoleon down a few pegs, he inadvertently bought into one of Napoleon's greatest pieces of blatant propaganda. Yes it is true that towards the end of the Battle of Austerlitz, a number of Russian and Austrian soldiers retreated south over some frozen ponds. Yes it is true that the French artillery fired at them and some of the soldiers fell through the ice and drowned. But Napoleon is the one who played up the numbers of the dead, saying that hundreds if not thousands of soldiers were drowned by his artillery. In reality though, we have evidence that after the ponds were drained, only a couple dozen bodies were found. And even if there were more men who fell into the water, most accounts agree that the ponds were shallow, with men able to stand in them. Only the wounded were at greater risk of drowning.
Again, I agree that the scene is visually stunning. The camera work is excellent and the effects are amazing. I just find it funny that while Ridley Scott is trying to present Napoleon as "not all that," he still perpetuates some of the Emperor's own propaganda. LOL😄
Not to mention the fact that the Napoleon actually used the dense mist on the battlefield to shield part of his troops until the right moment, which in itself would have been brilliant to see on screen. So it's not like Scott couldn't have kept more true to the Battle of Austerlitz without losing the sense of spectacle.
So I saw this in D-Box, okay, and I KID YOU NOT, because these seats MOVE with the movie, the chairs actually moved when they were doing IT! It was weird and strange, and it was the filthiest cinematic moment I've ever been immersed in! LOL
Would have been funny if they used the protruding elements in the chair to give you a quick thrill lol
Holy shit theybstill HAVE d-box? They ripped that out of even my areas good theaters like 7 years ago.
@@ObligedUniform Ya, my local Cinemark has had them since last June, and I really enjoy them (when worth it of course!)! They only have 2 rows of them but it's like I'm on a theme park attraction almost!
What is your FAVORITE Historical Epic / Biopic of a Historical Figure???
Gladiator for sure
Gladiator, Kightfall, Exodus God and Kings, Gangster Squad, Kingdom of Heaven, The Prince of Egypt, Son of God, 13 Hours- The secret soldiers of Benghazi, and Born Racer
The King. I am English so hard its hard for that movie to not hit me in the feels!
Kingdom of Heaven (Saladin[Salahuddin] and King Baldwin)
Amadeus
1:04:00 "So they banished him to an island...🎶Ｂｕｔ ｈｅ ｃａｍｅ ｂａｃｋ🎶
So they banished him to another island 🏝️
You guys should check out the Napoleonic Wars by Oversimplified, really interesting and informative stuff presented in an entertaining way.
Or Epic History TV's Napoleonic Wars videos. Those are really well done.
“French Joker” is probably as apt a description as possible. I was telling people that it wasn’t like Joaquin Phoenix was playing Napoleon. It was more like the Joker was playing Napoleon 😂
Joaquin Phoenix is one of the greatest actors ever no question and it’s funny how he’s had so many brilliant performances a lot of them are even better than the joker performance but all ppl compare his performances to is joker😂 don’t get me wrong it’s an amazing performance but he’s acted way better than that imo
@@cunningstunt69 Did you know he voiced Kenai in the Disney animated feature film Brother Bear (2003)?
@@StephenLuke yea I love that movie
@@cunningstunt69 When I heard Joaquin screaming or shouting all I hear is Kenai.
About 30/40 minutes of this movie was accurate. The rest was complete fantasy or complete inaccurate history.
Thats generous I'd say more like 10 minutes was accurate
They got the movie name right that's about all.
Napoleon was actually average to slightly above average height for his time. The reason why he gets labeled as short is due to English propaganda and the English/French measuring systems were slightly different. Napoleon also looked short because he always stood next to his Old Guard which had a minimum height requirement of 5'10 though most in the Old Guard were taller than the minimum height requirement.
Napoleon's physician measured him at 5'2" upon death, by today's imperial measuring that'd be 5'6". Average for the time, shorter by today's standards.
It’s still fairly average for today too. I can say this as someone who is 5.6 that the vast majority of folk aren’t much taller.
@@ObsessiveGeekYeah humans aren’t that tall, we have definity gotten taller thru out time but the avarage is definitly NOT 5’11 or 6’0, but yet again, it also depends where you come from😊
funny you guys decided to watch this today because this week, i watched the 1927 version of napoleon, so, one can say, i am one with napoleon lore
This was the biggest dissapointment ive seen. The hype, and what it could have been..:/
Let’s be honest, if it wasn’t for Joaquin it would’ve have gotten way worse. But with Joaquin he did really great job at being Napoleon, great actor.
@@Spencer12233 …. He did a horrible job…. There was no accents at all. He didn’t gain his mannerisms as well… it was just bad all around
@@TheRealGunWhisperer “He did horrible job” what kind of horrible job did he do? Exactly. At least he did really good at being Napoleon
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New thought: God, I would love to see your reaction to the original "Waterloo" movie. The amount of extras, the shots, the choreo, it's insane
In Cinematography standards, it’s a great movie…but historically, it’s very very shit. It doesn’t stay very true to history unfortunately.
At least with, for example, Fury, you know you’re going into a historical fiction movie. A movie based on real larger scale events, but of course, fictional smaller scale events.
In Napoleon, it’s been hyped up as a documentary, but it’s not. And that’s what pisses me off.
Even with Napoleon you guys crack me up haha
Greg side comments haha..not what I expected with this movie. Very rushed from one scene to the next timeline wise. I’m with Greg on this one. Again your commentaries made the watch enjoyable
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he actually won the Borodino, but you can say both won. The French army won this battle and made Russia retreat. But Russia also achieved its goal of reducing French troops.
Speaking of Marie Antoinette... If you haven't seen it, you should totally check out Sofia Coppola's "Marie Antoinette" starring Kirsten Dunst and Jason Schwartzman. So good!
thanks for this reaction.. i'm subscribed now.. i think most of all the people wanted a history lesson.. but i think this was perfect as an introspect for those that already know the history
Prediction before I start watching, Greg heard it wasn't good, so will judge every single scene
“Is Napoleon asleep?” 😂
I saw this in the cinema. I was really looking forward to it although somewhat skeptical due to the decision to allow Joaquin to use his own accent. Decided to put that aside but regretted it.
I don’t think timeline biographical movies work. Ridley should have focused on a specific period of time, or even just the battle at Waterloo. Just his love story would have been acceptable.
On a positive note, Vanessa Kirby was great, as always.
You guys need to watch the 1970 masterpiece Waterloo. It’s free on TH-cam and timeless
You should watch WATERLOO, a much better Napoleon movie.
They should have gotten a younger actor to play napoleon. napoleon was 24 when promoted general, and 30 when he took power in france. Joaquin phoenix is in his 50s playing a 20 something year old character.
1:01:05 nope, he won... The Russians lost 44,000 men.
I get your apprehension about ‘The Last Duel,’ but if you decide to watch it, I’d love to see your reaction to see what you guys think of it. I enjoyed it.
“Napoleonoisseur”! 😂
My take on this movie:
The extras, art department, costume department and effects team showed up to work every day.
The script writers and historians did not.
Nice reaction. And yes George. I did find Waldo when i was looking at my phone from a distance.😮😅
To truly appreciate Napoleon's story through cinema, it's best to learn about his life yourself.
You guys managed to elevate a very dark comedy to a light and enjoyable experience, so thanks for that! We are in an age of cinema that seems to be focused on the death and destruction of icons and there are some who would say this is a good thing.
I actually really like this movie! I also really like Joaquin Phoenix in this
That movie is what made me learn about the history of Napoleon Bonaparte despite all of the historical inaccuracies.
I wish it was done right and directed by a French director instead of Scott.
@@StephenLuke Definitely should have been accurate and directed by someone French
@@Proudtman Yes! A French director who knows very well about the history of Napoleon Bonaparte and other events that happened in France from the French Revolution to the Battle of Waterloo. 🇫🇷🇫🇷🇫🇷
Beavis and Butthead do "Napoleon" - but thanks guys. In his earlier years, Ridley Scott made a beautiful film set during this period - "The Duellists - which I guess you will enjoy. Similarly, Rod Steiger's portrayal of Napoleon in the 1974 film "Waterloo" was superb as was the film, made in an age before CGI.
1970 actually.
@@StephenLuke
Yes you must be right, I was only 13 when I saw it at the cinema - couldn't count then, and can't count now.
9:58 apparently there was another film maker that was looking for a Sailing ship for their film (not sure who or what movie for) and everyone basically laughed at them and were like "dude, Ridley Scott has rented use of every period ship out there so good luck" lol
I'm sorry but that "was there a post credit scene??" was god damn hilarious!!
Наполеон,один из самых гениальных генералов за всю историю!!
He was 5'7" that was an average height in france.
Actually slightly above average. The average height in France at the time was 5'6.
Never let a British guy direct a movie about Britain’s Greatest Enemy
Surprised people think it’s “the worst movie ever” I think it’s ok but I’ve definitely seen worse movies lol
This movie single handedly makes me question if phoenix is a good actor anymore and is Scott a good director anymore Jesus Christ this was bad .
I think you’re confusing writing with directing because in what way is the directing bad? It’s literally the best part of the movie. If you dislike the writing/decisions for the method of telling the story, that’s fine, but the direction is undeniably breathtaking.
Utterly terrible.
I wouldn’t call Phoenix a bad actor lol. I feel like he really did this movie because it gave him another chance for working with Ridley Scott again. Other than that, Phoenix gives his all in all his other movies.
@@Heyman11555 editing of a movie still falls under direction, and the editing of the pacing of this movie is terrible.
@@blinkachu5275 you dont know ball
Does anybody know what they’re singing during the survivor’s ball performance?
Destiny has brought me this Napoleon reaction!
My only flaw would be that it’s impossible to cover everything. It would have been better had it focused on one part of his life; much like Waterloo did.
I think a pretty good film that could've show the negative side to Napoleon would be following his last campaign before his exile. When everything is coming apart for him and he is trying desperately to save everything. You could see political intrigue as Talleyrand secretly conspires against Napoleon with the Sixth Coalition. You'd have a pretty interesting character in his second wife, Maria Louise, as she tries to secure a future for her son. You'd see how his marshals were trying to do their best for him, while also questioning whether or not blind allegiance to Napoleon was best for France. That I think would be a great movie, if not maybe multi part mini series.
@@tinmanbrigade7304 I really enjoyed it and think it’s getting way more hate than it deserves. Reviewers can be sheep sometimes
@@MoleyRusselsWart_ I feel you on that. I suppose I just have a different opinion. Glad you enjoyed it.
@@MoleyRusselsWart_ nobody hates anything because other people hate it thats just a lie made up by morons who think anyone who doesn't agree with them are joking or making things up
God’s not here right now. Yeah he’s busy checking all the soldiers into heaven 😂
Your remark about the poor horses is interesting for Europe to this day has not recovered its horse population due to the loses of the napoleonic wars
Ooh, I heard this film sucked!
Man, Ridley Scott has certainly lost his touch after GLADIATOR.
Oh, well, that's reality for you.
Yup, sadly Gladiator was one of his last good films...
try reacting to oversimplified neoleon videos , it goes over the history in a fun and easy to understand sort of way
The way to describe The Sex scene in this film, Is a Dog Going at with Stuff Toys - It was Hilarious, I couldn't stop laughing.
John... lol😅😅😅😂 you had me rolling the whole time. Omgoodness your quips were hilarious.
28:50
probably the best scene in the movie.
out of the rough 20 billion people that have existed in this planet since that time, show me even a handful who had spent *A WHOLE NIGHT* with their lovers, doing nothing but *TALKING* things through, with an open heart.
one, here.... anyone else? show of hands? no?
keep paying for therapists and counselors then.
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We will see joker, the white widow, and maybe a face hugger 😂
I was hoping that this movie would just be full of those sick Napoleon edits with his iconic theme song.
What iconic theme song
I think this movie was badly represented in the Trailer and teasers. They give you the belief this is going to be a Grand Epic but it was really more focused specifically on Napoleon and Josephine. A lot of research was done into the letters from Napoleon to Josephine over the years which there are thousands of. I still was pretty disappointed in the movie as a whole... but maybe the 4hr directors cut will be better lol
This film depicted Napoleon as a man child with an inferior complex, which seems like Hollywood just wanted to besmirch his name. Theres a reason as to why he was beloved as much as he was by the people and why his men return to him after his banishment. The 1970 waterloo film gives a much better representation of who he was while maintaining historically accurate. Plus that film gives a way better depiction of what went down at Waterloo. The best thing about this movie is the action. Also Josephine was heavily “Hollywood”
Where's the part where the transformers show up?
Ask Michael Bay
Honestly Waterloo from 1970 something was 1000× better
My favorite reaction couple is back 🎉
Hello why did i think this movie would be really short with BO
I heard in one of his letters to Josephine he said "I'm coming home, don't wash" Napoleon was nasty.
If you look at this as a standard action film: It’s a really good time
If your someone like me who is studying history in college and has studied significant parts of napoleon’s life: It’s slightly more…. Questionable
You guys should react to “the society of the snow” ❤
Love your video and keep up the great work and I like this movie
Joaquin is a great actor but he is twice as old as Napoleon was and it’s weird choice
The French won the battle of Borodino.
That’s right!
There is a 4 hour director's cut coming next month
Hopefully that justifies the film more better
As much as I didn't want to, I stopped watching this version about half way through when it kept occurring to me just how much 'in-between' scenes must have been cut for this to appear like a best-of/highlights reel. I'm really hoping to be literally shocked at how 'fluid' it ends up being in the extended cut. In the meantime the wait is killing me 😂
Sounds like another "Kingdom of Heaven" situation.
I'm not necessarily looking forward to it on a script level. Yes there are more than likely a lot of scenes that were cut that would probably explain some more context, but in the end, I didn't enjoy this movie at a basic script level. The writing, in my own opinion was bad. So if the four hour cut is going to be the same script, but more, I'm not sure if it will be any better of a story.
@@tinmanbrigade7304Agree typically scenes cut from the theatrical version are done to keep the pacing smoother as well as anything that feels out of place with the overall theme of the movie so I seriously doubt any of that will improve the experience.
Yeah this one was a mess. And I know this isn't the only movie to do this but it bothered me that literally nobody in this movie even tried to speak with a French accent. Joaquin also seemed to, for the first time that I've experienced, really phoned in this performance.
I expected Joaquin Phoenix to be much better than this. Plus, he did not look like somebody in their late 20's.
You know it's a movie, right? There are so many historical things wrong with it but in the end, it never claimed to be a accurate documentary....
for those complaining about historical accuracy, the actual facts and nuisances of the story just PALE in comparison to the sheer production value.
those are REAL BOATS you see there! timber-framed, rigged, gunned floating hulls, as per 18th century standard, made by actual workers, in the year 2023!
that is REAL carpentry and REAL cutlery adorning the halls! that is REAL tailoring and REAL goldsmithing dressing the actors!
did Napoleon do all these feats we see him do in the movie? yes... so, the movie is faithful.
did he take 100 men when the record says 250? who cares!
I found it amazing, and it baffles me that Americans know shit about a worldwide historical event and character like Napoleon that most of us learn about in junior high, even when The French used the American Declaration of Independence as a template when drafting the Declaration of the Rights of Man and the Citizen in 1789 and he massively changed history, politics and economy forever for everyone.
The second best movie about a guy named Napoleon
'An unfortunate series of events' would've been a better titel.
Alas, it was already taken.
This was a surprise
This movie could've been way better especially with the cast they have. I liked certain scenes and while im not an expert i have read about napoleon. Idk it was a good watch definitely something im glad was available for streaming. Thank you guys for the reaction 💯🙏
You guys should watch Waterloo (1970) as a palate cleanser. Before CGI and Hollywoodized scenes, Waterloo is even better than this disappointment.
Also, the Napoleon miniseries (2002)
It’s dull as dishwater though
Bastille day was earlier, at the beginning of the revolution.
July 14! 🇫🇷🇫🇷🇫🇷🇫🇷🇫🇷🇫🇷
This film is something alright lol, I don’t hate it but I was kind of expecting the Oppenheimer treatment for Napoleon, sadly disappointed lol, expectations too high ig
Marie Antionette does get a LITTLE bit of a bad rap, but the French Monarchy was WAYYYYY out of touch and had been for years which is what led to the Revolution (obviously theres a lot that goes into this)
This definitely plays like a movie made in the edit.
Looks like the (The Duelist) times a million. I'll wait patiently to see the 4 Hr cut.
i like the part where napoleons soldiers Just clear the way of the people who trying to kill him
Just saw Book of Clarence ❤, would you guys give it a watch?
Don’t try to win vs Russian )
Even Gladiator was a more historical film than this (even though it's not a true story).
You Guys have gotta Watch 'The Bear' It's Fucking Great
The 3 million people that died were not all French as they were a small percentage of that number
I got to think...so they lost 3 million. Between them Russia. Then world War 1 and 2 and Vietnam and Korea. And all the other wars we got going on currently we still keep growing as a species. Its insane
Apparently it wasn't really historically correct according to reviews from historians
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I watched this in cinema and wasn't really enjoying it (the battles were awesome though)
I feel like the relationship stuff really pulled this movie down in a bad way, it just wasn't really shown well I feel
Agree totally. The battles were awesome but everything else fell soooo flat. The relationship was laughable.
Still going through your fun reaction, but you've kind of hit my issue: This is a very, very long movie where stuff just happens. None of it matters, relates, or tells a story, it just occurs.
Also, sweet mercy does this movie have no idea about history. Just truly, really kills me.
Great Reaction Greg and John! This movie was ok and Mid! 👍
Did you guys realise that after the baby was born it was the execution of the mother you could hear in the background?! I thought for sure that would be your biggest reaction of anything in the movie...
Was that before or after the 101 gun-salute for the birth of their son?
And how was it possible for Marie-Louise to survive her son by 15 years?
@@sebastianplenkers2093 Is that what it was? I thought I definitely heard screaming before the gunshots. I don't know how long she lived in real life. In the movie it looked like the reason for the Russians turning against France.
Yes, it sure seemed that way due to the “disconnected” story-telling. But Marie-Louise returned safely to Austria after Napoleon was exiled.
@@sebastianplenkers2093 Well i missed that info. Thanks for the clarification!
@@Crazeyd0gread a book mate. Even a wiki will do tbh
Napoleon was one of the most charismatic as well as politically and militarily impactful figures in human history…and an infamous skirt chaser. Any of those would have made an excellent film and none exist in this movie…it was a big miss.