Can you do a take on the damsel in the distress trope or the victim trope in general (especially how that word's been demonized and mocked or pitted against the survivor)
Yes! I want them to talk about how it can be damaging too. For example it can romanticize suicide. Like the story of the poet Thomas Chatterton alway reminds me of dead poets society and I think that it’s a story that’s retold a lot in literature and movies in the context of a young and unsupported “Tortured Artist”
That's true, it's a shame that many actors' careers rely on their appearance, and once they age, they become less relevant, no matter how talented they were before.
"I think most of us are raised with preconceived notions of the choices we're supposed to make. We waste so much time making decisions based on someone else's idea of our happiness - what will make you a good citizen or a good wife or daughter or actress. Nobody says, 'Just be happy - go be a cobbler or go live with goats.'' Sandra Bullock
Precisely! We spend so long trying to make OTHERS happy or proud, that we neglect our own needs. This might be valid in the case of child actors and pushy stage parents.
Please do the justified cheating trope! Where cheating on perfectly decent partners is seen as ok and justified and even romanticized just because they're not the one the protagonist is attracted to or just because they're not interesting or smart enough, etc. A good example would be the notebook! Edit: they could also cover the cases where cheating is seen as justified. Where the protagonist cheats but its considered ok because their partner is mentally, physically abusive or cheated on them first! E.g. titanic
Awesome! You should do a “Drug Addict Trope” so many examples: Jesse from Breaking Bad, Klaus from The Umbrella Academy, Nicky from Orange is the New Black and it goes on
Yes! I would also like to see them expand on how drug addict portrayals in film often differ depending on the race of the characters and/or filmmakers.
@@tiffanytownsend1706 Are you thinking that white drug addicts are treated with more sympathy in films? For example how the audience was shocked when Walt watched Jane OD, but movies of black drug use, the audience may think she is a crack ho?
Off the tip of my head I feel like they arent portrayed much. If we dont count children or trophy types who get with the guy in the end and that's the conclusion then there arent many types of non moms left. Sure theres your black widow and Harry Potter professors but I feel like childfree women are super young kids and trophies who are expected to have kids with the hero one day.
@@Otherwise88 childfree women are portrayed as sadistic child haters, immature, cold, heartless, married to their careers, way to devoted to their pets, broken, bitter, and in desperate need of fixing by sacred penis. The video could do a lot of exploring those stereotypes and truths as the number of willfully childfree women are on the rise. By the way a trophy woman who may someday have kids with the hero is not truly childfree.
“A symbol of obedience.” Yeouch. I’m so glad that there are more women in the profession who are willing to speak up, not only in acting, but in producing, directing, writing, and they’re allowed to make mistakes.
I think in the recent years, the "fading by the age" actress isn't really a phenomenon that crushing the industry as it used to. I mean there are lots of great (what we called) "aging" actress who are still working and even being the lead in movies/series. Look at Olivia Colman, her acting career even boost up (and have won an Oscar) on her mid 40s Another actresses that still shines are Glenn Close, Michelle Pfeiffer, Julianne Moore, Ellen Burstyn, Jessica Lange, Maggie Smith, Judi Dench, Cate Blanchett, Angela Bassett (she's not even aging i think) and there's quite many more I'd say
It's more the types of roles they get. There's the Graham Norton clip where they talk about how Meryl Streep was offered 3 witch roles the year she turned 40, and how that says something about how Hollywood views women turning 40. She had to actively avoid it for a while to avoid being typecast as those kinds of roles.
Would you consider doing an episode on how teachers are portrayed? I am in education and I've noticed a lot oof people have a skewed view of the profession, largely because of film and tv
Like how a lot of teachers in shows and movies turn into sexual predators. It feels like Hollywood normalizes it like it's a common, normal, and even good thing. It's gross and weird.
There's always the "hero" teacher, the one who never complain about low salary, awful schools or lack of minimal infrastructure because teaching is their "call" and all those "little" (but absolutely necessary!) thing would never refrain them from such a heroic work....
@@mynameisreallycool1 it is sadly common enough for it to be talked about but media never shows it in the right way. My high school had some creepy teachers and student realize what is going on but I don’t think anyone ever said anything because thats just how it was. I can’t tell u how many girls in my classes would talk about teachers looking down their shirts or hovering over their desks. Hollywood loves to romanticize them and the students pain.
I would love to see a video about Eastern Europeans/people from former soviet bloc countries. Their representations are always so reductive and often offensive (the men are hairy and bumbling, the women are mail-order brides, everyone is humorless) and I think it's tied to western anti-communist propaganda. Love your work!
Please cover the "Derailing Love Interest" trope, where the Romantic False Lead suddenly becomes nasty, as a means to shoehorn the main couple together. Bonus points if they were previously nice beforehand.
"Bonus points if they were previously nice beforehand" probably cuz they were like possibly putting on an act/facade or something maybe I don't necessarily mean that like some gospel absolute truth or whatever just simply perhaps some eh idk highly likely possibility or something and "ShOeHoRn the main couple together" my ass it's as if you're making it seem as if the main couple apparently are automatically a bunch of antagonists/villains or something
Can you please do the 'disabled girl woman trope'? It seems that they are seen as a combination of waste of anyone's time, a saint and or stupid. It's frustrating as being a person with a disability is not just the usual wheelchair or the acceptable she's blind everything else works. There's so much more.
“The Actress trope” is really damaging to young girls who dream of being in the big screen, or on Broadway. It takes dreams that these kids have, and it frames them in a negative light. One of my biggest dreams is to be on Broadway, and I feel like I can’t tell anyone because I don’t want to appear vain, stupid, or shallow. I often lie about my dreams, and I don’t tell many people about them because they immediately stereotype me into this role that I never wanted to play. I am very intelligent, and it feels like when I tell people I want to be an actress on Broadway, their expectations of what I can do go down by 90%, and they just see me as this dumb, shallow, and self absorbed girl. I talked to my parents about this, and they have been super supportive about my dreams, and they often tell me about many actresses that went to Ivy Leagues and are smart to make me feel better. The truth is, acting requires a lot of intelligence. You can’t just be pretty. You have to study the source material, build your character, and then constantly put yourself in that character shoes and feel their emotions. It’s honestly like constantly studying books for English class, and then essays on character development. But it’s super rewarding in the end. All I am saying is that acting is hard work, and it can be less than glamorous at times, but if you really love it, it’s worth it. I’m not trying to discourage dreams of acting, I’m just saying that it’s hard work.
I met and worked with many starting out actresses and actors and I realized that the actresses were way more aware and woke of the industry while the actors were the naive ones. Also, so many actresses have children and a great career.
BUT Nobody ever really tried to "steal" anything from her?! if anything SHE basically was the one who kinda of tried to steal something or rather SOMEONE from somebody else and I guess maybe it kinda of backfired on/at her or something
I saw "The actress" and Emma Stone and i inmediately thought of that SNL skit where Emma plays an actress that gets too much into her role: the wife whose husband cheats on ,in a gay porn
Can you do The Ingenue as a trope? I see Bridget Jones as a deconstructed Ingenue and Bombshell (face and personality of former, body and sensuality of latter). Also the Wallflower with a focus on WFs of color, the "All Grown Up and Beautiful" trope, Asian Women in media, and the slow burn of curvy bodies and representation in Hollywood
I love these suggestions! Betty Boop could also be an excellent example of an Ingenue, since she doesn't realize how attractive she is to those around her!
I love the conversation between Sussannah and Debra by the end of the video. A great way to see the compromise that The Take have with the topic they touch in every video
I think that a big part of the fear at aging of real life actresses has a lot to do with the industry itself. It's so hard to find a good piece of media with complex well rounded senior women's. I mean, according to Hollywood women over 50 are etiher crapy hollow villains or crapy nurturing mother figures. I'd be terrified too.
Your video made me cry. I act all the time in my job. I'm a nurse. You put a wall up between yourself and too much real emotion because all of would probably kill you. But at the same time, you have to be there for your patients and your real emotion in your work is what makes you help them. To remember who you are there for and to help you learn. But at the same time...your body and your age...even though it is making you a better nurse because your intuition gets better and your knowledge base increases and actually connects with it...your body starts failing. Especially if you have children and your shifts are all over the place. You have to be kind but assertive. Jaded enough to look after yourself but still kind when you need to be....and then imagine working and relying on a bunch of people with these same problems. Not trying to be woe is me...I am very lucky and thus is the profession I chose....but your video helped.
One of my favorite movies about actresses is Stage Door (1937) with Lucille Ball, Ginger Rogers, and Katherine Hepburn. I love how it captures the competitive nature in the industry, talented ingenues getting overlooked in favor of women who aren't talented but have the connections. It's a sad film, but a very good one.
It’s disturbing to see in Mainstream Hindi Cinema how the Hindi Film Actress has been ‘othered’ by assuming she’s dumb and that’s what a lot of people think of them. But if you learn about them, they’re interesting, intelligent and fun people.
@@TheFourthWinchester You’re half right. It’s not always smooth sailing but you shouldn’t be reductive and say “sell their bodies”. Not at this point in time.
Also when was the last time we saw big superstars paired up with women of their age ? 50 years old male actors paired with 20 years old young actresses(mostly debutants) in mainstream movies, it needs to change. Thank god OTT exists but it's also being censored because of so called 'Sanskars' or to preserve 'indian culture'
As a woman in her late 30s, I feel this so hard. I really feel like I've got an expiration date, now somewhere in my past, that limits my opportunities in life in so many ways - and like, no matter what I do, my looks always have and always will define me.
I don’t even like being called an actress, an actor is an actor, it’s gender neutral! It’s funny how teens and 20’s are the ideal of a female screen actress but on stage it’s 30’s. Good luck finding a stage role with a decent amount of lines if you are under 30! Or longer if you look young. 🤪 It’s so awful because at 25 I’m running out of time to start screen acting but having to play literal children on stage. Like 11-15 year olds. There’s no winning!! It feels like I’ll go straight from playing kids to playing grannies sometimes. I just want to engage in the art-form I love so much, that’s it.
I love this new personal commentary section at the end! I would love a whole episode of this type of commentary. But please keep adding it to the end as well!
Hey! I would love to see a video about the "Sensitive male artist working on one last piece of art to change the world" Trope. It's surprisingly common, especially in musicals with men writing *the song*
We need a video about female feuds in media, with Joan Fontaine VS Olivia de Havilland, Joan Crawford VS Bette Davis, Kathy Perry VS Taylor Swift, Kim Cattrall VS Sarah Jessica Parker, Shannen Doherty VS Alysa Milano, Mariah Carey VS Jennifer Lopez, Britney Spears VS Christina Aguilera, and Victoria Justice VS Ariana Grande. There are a lot of topics that should be discussed when talking about female rivalry in media, such as feminism, patriarchy, fame, media outlets, female friendship, Smurfette principle, male friendship, and so on...
Female feuds. Many men love these cat fights. If it were among men it would seem a bit weird. Not masculine at all. James Woods would punch De Niro (Sadly Too outspoken woke) around like he did in Once upon a time in America.
Is it fair to say that Norma Jean Baker created Marilyn Monroe the "sexpot" (7:04) in the same manner that Marion Michael Morrison created John Wayne the "über-male" or Archie Leach created Cary Grant the "coolest guy in the room"?
I'm disappointed you didn't have the names of the movies that you were showing scenes of this time. There's a lot of them in there I would love to watch. What's the one with Jessica Lange called?
Can you guys analyse the" best friend of the protagonist, who's always at their house, mostly for food" trope. We also see a comedic effect in him/her being repeatedly kicked out. Examples include Hakeem from Moesha and Will's friend in the Fresh Prince of Bel-Air I find it interesting why the shows rarely, if at all delve into the reason why, if that makes sense
Honestly, I'm tired of this trope, I don't want to see actresses playing actresses having a hard time becoming actresses. And I'm an actress! I want to see them playing other people outside of their own job.
To be honest, I've been curious to try acting myself. The idea of putting on a character to reveal their innards to the world. To push forward our perception and understanding of the human experience. I don't know if I'd be any good at it. But I'm curious. Thank you for creating this content. Seeing an examination of this idea from this perspective is so interesting to me. How film and mass media engage with our culture's depiction and understanding of femininity is such an in-depth and nuanced a thing, isn't it???
I was super excited when I saw Sarah Goldberg as she was the best performance general of 2019 and then I became severely depressed knowing we still don’t have Barry Season 3
For the general World Wide audience He is Tom Cruise and most are not aware of controversies/criticism he receives. They simple want action and escapism. Adam Driver, Tom Cruise, Keanu Reeves are seen as non political. They don't open their mouth blabbering non sense like many other actors. Look at Tom Hanks expressions during Ricky Gervais Golden Globes ceremony.
@@lucioagelvis2134 P.S. Literally everything Tom Cruise says is him blabbering nonsense. What sane person shames a mother (Brook Shields) for having postpartum depression?
@@giancarlojacobs9982 I agree, but he hasn't added anything for 15 years. Worldwide audiences are unaware of the Brooke Shields incident. Producers as you all know mostly see profits. Marketability. People like the Chinese are in your face non PC.
@@lucioagelvis2134 The information is/ has been there. It's only due to his social advantages that they ignore signs of mental decline in himself, Mel Gibson and other men like them.
It's hard out here to be an actress. You have to love it or you won't survive it. I say that from firsthand experience. You don't last or you'll need frequent space to survive such an out of your control career. It can hurt you bad to live life as others for others through other's eyes & visions. The business & bureaucracy alone can take you out some days. But when you love it... and you can see yourself blossom in that love... man, there's nothing like it... ❤️
Marriage and family often interfere with women's creativity due to commitment, unpaid workload, and social expectations of being a "good" housewife. That a lot of actresses, writers, eco-activists, managers, and other busy women weren't included mothers is fairly true in the arts and the media. Russian sculpturist Anna Golubkina said: "The art of tied hands does not like. You have to come to him with free hands ... Art is a feat, and here you have to forget everything, give everything".
@TheTake Is there a video about how men crossing dressing as women is "Silly Adventures Time!" And how women crossdressing as men is "time to get a serious education and war medal"?
Please do a Slavic trope in movies, unfortunately they are always shown as Russian speaking mafia crooks, killers, war deserters and in that vein. They keep mixing people from different Slavic countries and the stereotype of the countries and what they look like is really devastating.
Yet there are actresses over 50 actresses who still have thriving careers, Maggie Smith, Judi Dench, Vanessa Redgrave, Sissy Spacek, Ellen Burstyn, Sigourney Weaver, yet these ladies have actual talent to maintain a long career.
That may be somewhat true but they still aren’t given the best parts compared to younger counterparts like Emma stone and Scarlett’s Johansson etc… they also rarely appear in movies as much as they use to. So there’s still a long way to go.
Haha not really though. Madhuri, Juhi, and Kajol continue to do films, but not with the same success as SRK, Hrithik Roshan etc. Their age poses a fake “sell-ability” problem
I agree. But Bollywood and Hollywood (and let’s face it - the majority of professions) has a problem with nepotism. We rarely get people who don’t have a familial foot in the door make it big in the industry. Somebody could have the training/experience and never make it in simply because they’re not related to a celeb whether distantly or directly.
@@ojuskhanolkar7146 Honestly people still go to watch a movie because it has Madhuri, Juhi or Kajol in it. In Hollywood though only Meryl Streep sells her movies because she is in it. Come to think of it even Shabana Azmi can still sell movies in India. And may I point out, Meryl Streep is by no standards your typical actress. We will never see a Meryl Streep again not because she is a very good actress, there very good actresses in every generation, but because Meryl Streep has been nominated for / more Oscars than any other actress OR male actor alive or dead!! She the most Oscar nominated / won person ever in the history of the world. It is extremely unlikely that any one would be able to come anywhere near her accomplishments. So let's not use Meryl Streep as an example of how Hollywood is fairer to its leading ladies.
@@TheFourthWinchester It is but change is slow. Seeing some semblance of a change is better than no change at all. I know where you’re coming from. I do accept your point.
I loved the conversation at the end! Although I think the scripted part is, of course, well-researched and very informative; I enjoy a little conversation that looks more organic 😁
I'm grateful as an actor (sometimes) that I've never been the engenue type. I usually tend to get engenue-supportive roles (best friend to the best friend or someone with their own arc altogether), or villain/antihero roles in a few cases. For my money they're much more interesting, and I'm so glad that my job isn't to just serve as some male fantasy. If I have a greater future in acting, being a character actor is probably it, and that suits me fine. That being said, I do feel bad for actresses who are judged primarily on their looks in the opposite sense, and are told that's all that they can be and are limited by the system as a result. They don't deserve to be judged only by their looks, just as much as I don't.
6:42 Don't men have to change their names, too? Cary Grant was once Archibald Leach and John Wayne was Marion Robert Morrison. Maybe it doesn't happen so often today. But there are a suspiciously large number of actors called Chris out there...
Could you do about the cutting your hair as ending a cycle or going through something trope and how it’s actually a male gaze and not only about breaking stereotypes and empowering
21:27 No, please don't cut her off in the middle of a sentence. These ladies often have such elaborated opinions which I find very interesting to listen too.
Can you please either add the title of the movie snippets when you show them or provide that info in the video description? Quite often I don't know what the snippet is from and don't recognize the actor so I can't look it up on imdb. Thank you. Love your videos.
another A+ video! love your channel the most. One thing i would’ve loved to see in this video is the possible intersection of race and actressness. This video featured and was focused on white women almost exclusively, and i think that’s fine, as long as you touch on it.
This channel has gone crazy on the ads!! It's worse than watching a tv with all those commercials on! You cannot any longer understand the point they are trying to make.
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Can you do a take on the damsel in the distress trope or the victim trope in general (especially how that word's been demonized and mocked or pitted against the survivor)
You mean Movie stars Real actresses (talented Ones) Have a life once the They say "That's a Wrap" .
"Fear Female aging"? Anyone see Nicholson lately?.......
Reflecting about patriarchal expectations for women and promoting diet culture? WOW...
“Any girl can be glamorous. All you have to do is stand still and look stupid.” - Hedy Lamarr, an absolute queen
Omg yes Hedy! She will forever be in my top five historical people
and an absolute genius
Hedley, Hedley!
Oh, wait - you were right.
The Inventor of Wi-fi!!!
"...and Keanu Reeves-like eternal youth" 😂😂😂 that was a hilarious way to wrap it up.
I wanted to add...and Paul Rudd! Like seriously, how do they do it?!
@@supersmilesification Them and Gwen Stefani!
The "Tortured Artist" would be a good trope.
La La Land's Mia was in this video, and for your idea we'd see Sebastian
Yes please!!!
Kurt Cobain, Tupac Shakur & Amy Winehouse anyone ???
Also how all they terrible things they do are excused because "they were just in a bad place' or they were mentally ill or something
Yes! I want them to talk about how it can be damaging too. For example it can romanticize suicide. Like the story of the poet Thomas Chatterton alway reminds me of dead poets society and I think that it’s a story that’s retold a lot in literature and movies in the context of a young and unsupported “Tortured Artist”
“Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and it may be necessary from time to time to give a stupid or misinformed beholder a black eye.” - Miss Piggy
That's true, it's a shame that many actors' careers rely on their appearance, and once they age, they become less relevant, no matter how talented they were before.
@@trinaq that is 😞 sad 😢
@@trinaq thankfully a lot of our elder stars are starting to change that trend!
A Miss Piggy quote? Awesome. 😃
"I think most of us are raised with preconceived notions of the choices we're supposed to make. We waste so much time making decisions based on someone else's idea of our happiness - what will make you a good citizen or a good wife or daughter or actress. Nobody says, 'Just be happy - go be a cobbler or go live with goats.''
Sandra Bullock
Precisely! We spend so long trying to make OTHERS happy or proud, that we neglect our own needs. This might be valid in the case of child actors and pushy stage parents.
Please do the justified cheating trope! Where cheating on perfectly decent partners is seen as ok and justified and even romanticized just because they're not the one the protagonist is attracted to or just because they're not interesting or smart enough, etc. A good example would be the notebook!
Edit: they could also cover the cases where cheating is seen as justified. Where the protagonist cheats but its considered ok because their partner is mentally, physically abusive or cheated on them first! E.g. titanic
Devil wears prada would be a good example too!
@@flowergirl5962 Would it? Doesn't her boyfriend break up with her before she sleeps with the other guy?
@@taylor_green_9 well sure but there was still emotional cheating or an affair
and Me Before You!!!
@@flowergirl5962 Huh, maybe I need to watch it again
Awesome! You should do a “Drug Addict Trope” so many examples: Jesse from Breaking Bad, Klaus from The Umbrella Academy, Nicky from Orange is the New Black and it goes on
Thats such a good Idea!!
Ah I would like this! Good idea.
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Yes! I would also like to see them expand on how drug addict portrayals in film often differ depending on the race of the characters and/or filmmakers.
@@tiffanytownsend1706
Are you thinking that white drug addicts are treated with more sympathy in films? For example how the audience was shocked when Walt watched Jane OD, but movies of black drug use, the audience may think she is a crack ho?
Pls make a video on childfree women and their portrayal in the media. Especially compared to mothers
That would be interesting :)
Second this
That would be awesome! Childfree women are definitely portrayed...a certain way
Off the tip of my head I feel like they arent portrayed much. If we dont count children or trophy types who get with the guy in the end and that's the conclusion then there arent many types of non moms left. Sure theres your black widow and Harry Potter professors but I feel like childfree women are super young kids and trophies who are expected to have kids with the hero one day.
@@Otherwise88 childfree women are portrayed as sadistic child haters, immature, cold, heartless, married to their careers, way to devoted to their pets, broken, bitter, and in desperate need of fixing by sacred penis. The video could do a lot of exploring those stereotypes and truths as the number of willfully childfree women are on the rise. By the way a trophy woman who may someday have kids with the hero is not truly childfree.
“A symbol of obedience.” Yeouch. I’m so glad that there are more women in the profession who are willing to speak up, not only in acting, but in producing, directing, writing, and they’re allowed to make mistakes.
meryl streep is a perfect counterexample of a woman who held on to fame even with age. Why? cuz she's an amazing actress.
I think in the recent years, the "fading by the age" actress isn't really a phenomenon that crushing the industry as it used to. I mean there are lots of great (what we called) "aging" actress who are still working and even being the lead in movies/series. Look at Olivia Colman, her acting career even boost up (and have won an Oscar) on her mid 40s
Another actresses that still shines are Glenn Close, Michelle Pfeiffer, Julianne Moore, Ellen Burstyn, Jessica Lange, Maggie Smith, Judi Dench, Cate Blanchett, Angela Bassett (she's not even aging i think) and there's quite many more I'd say
@@wel.3098 Frances McDormand.
@@wel.3098 Angela Bassett is chillin' right next to Keanu Reeves sipping that eternal youth potion. 😊
@@wel.3098 Charlize Theron ❤️
It's more the types of roles they get. There's the Graham Norton clip where they talk about how Meryl Streep was offered 3 witch roles the year she turned 40, and how that says something about how Hollywood views women turning 40. She had to actively avoid it for a while to avoid being typecast as those kinds of roles.
Would you consider doing an episode on how teachers are portrayed? I am in education and I've noticed a lot oof people have a skewed view of the profession, largely because of film and tv
I think I’ve only ever seen teachers in movies as jerks and creeps, or incredibly devoted to students.
@@irisbutterfield5340 That and the white savior archetype, which they've touched on before.
Like how a lot of teachers in shows and movies turn into sexual predators. It feels like Hollywood normalizes it like it's a common, normal, and even good thing. It's gross and weird.
There's always the "hero" teacher, the one who never complain about low salary, awful schools or lack of minimal infrastructure because teaching is their "call" and all those "little" (but absolutely necessary!) thing would never refrain them from such a heroic work....
@@mynameisreallycool1 it is sadly common enough for it to be talked about but media never shows it in the right way. My high school had some creepy teachers and student realize what is going on but I don’t think anyone ever said anything because thats just how it was. I can’t tell u how many girls in my classes would talk about teachers looking down their shirts or hovering over their desks. Hollywood loves to romanticize them and the students pain.
I would love to see a video about Eastern Europeans/people from former soviet bloc countries. Their representations are always so reductive and often offensive (the men are hairy and bumbling, the women are mail-order brides, everyone is humorless) and I think it's tied to western anti-communist propaganda. Love your work!
Please cover the "Derailing Love Interest" trope, where the Romantic False Lead suddenly becomes nasty, as a means to shoehorn the main couple together. Bonus points if they were previously nice beforehand.
You mean Jacob from Twilight?
That dude from the Devil Wears Prada?
Raoul in Love Never Dies (sequel to Phantom of the Opera)
Natasha Glennville and the Japanese ex Mrs Darcy
"Bonus points if they were previously nice beforehand" probably cuz they were like possibly putting on an act/facade or something maybe I don't necessarily mean that like some gospel absolute truth or whatever just simply perhaps some eh idk highly likely possibility or something and "ShOeHoRn the main couple together" my ass it's as if you're making it seem as if the main couple apparently are automatically a bunch of
antagonists/villains or something
Can you please do the 'disabled girl woman trope'? It seems that they are seen as a combination of waste of anyone's time, a saint and or stupid. It's frustrating as being a person with a disability is not just the usual wheelchair or the acceptable she's blind everything else works. There's so much more.
Yes! Disabilities in media is one of the few topic that The Take hasn’t covered.
Yes yes yes yes!
I'd love to see that video. This topic is very dear to my heart
Still waiting to see it from The Take. But until then, Jessica Killgren-Fozard has a disability in media series 👍🏻
@@fangirl365 I know, I love her videos, but since The Take has such a big platform, it would be nice if they did videos on disabilities too.
“The Actress trope” is really damaging to young girls who dream of being in the big screen, or on Broadway. It takes dreams that these kids have, and it frames them in a negative light. One of my biggest dreams is to be on Broadway, and I feel like I can’t tell anyone because I don’t want to appear vain, stupid, or shallow. I often lie about my dreams, and I don’t tell many people about them because they immediately stereotype me into this role that I never wanted to play. I am very intelligent, and it feels like when I tell people I want to be an actress on Broadway, their expectations of what I can do go down by 90%, and they just see me as this dumb, shallow, and self absorbed girl. I talked to my parents about this, and they have been super supportive about my dreams, and they often tell me about many actresses that went to Ivy Leagues and are smart to make me feel better. The truth is, acting requires a lot of intelligence. You can’t just be pretty. You have to study the source material, build your character, and then constantly put yourself in that character shoes and feel their emotions. It’s honestly like constantly studying books for English class, and then essays on character development. But it’s super rewarding in the end. All I am saying is that acting is hard work, and it can be less than glamorous at times, but if you really love it, it’s worth it. I’m not trying to discourage dreams of acting, I’m just saying that it’s hard work.
An ‘actress’ is ‘crazy’? As if no actor in the history of the world wasn’t messed up.
Everybody’s messed up in some way. In their own way
@@rhubarbbikini3794 True dat.
I think I have a problem. These video are so addictive 😫
Seconded, I could spend hours watching their videos on repeat!
How?
Same
They’re shit videos with no research done on them
@@aaronrichards3246 Why so grumpy, bro? These videos are fun. If you like more research, there are amazing channels for those as well, no?
I met and worked with many starting out actresses and actors and I realized that the actresses were way more aware and woke of the industry while the actors were the naive ones. Also, so many actresses have children and a great career.
I missed Sharpay Evans here, she is the actress committed to the role but the role was stolen by some naive newcomer that isn't invested in it
BUT Nobody ever really tried to "steal" anything from her?!
if anything SHE basically was the one who kinda of tried to steal something or rather SOMEONE from somebody else and I guess maybe it kinda of backfired on/at her
or something
Can you do the mama bear trope? i think is interesting because how it is something that can be describe as femenine and masculine at the same time
Yes, please! I think that they should also cover the Papa Wolf trope, which is the Male equivalent, and extremely protective towards their cubs!
@Michael Kim the woman literally killed Bellatrix because she wanted to kill her daughter and said "not my daughter you bitch!" I think she does.
"That woman...is a woman!!" ☠️😅
WHAT!? NO!!!
And...
Lol
I always feel bad because actors work way harder than they ever get credit for.
I agree, acting is an extremely erratic profession, and sadly, not all actors are able to have the successful career they desire.
They probably get more credit for their work than almost any other profession... certainly within film.
Singers get worshipped way more
“Mr. DeMille, I’m ready for my close up.”
Iconic. Simply Iconic.
Totally, one of the most memorable closing lines in cinematic history! 😍
Heyyy, I find you everywhere! TISS, Sucharita, and now The Take😂
@@bhuvanaprakash3029 It’s so hard being famous. I get recognised everywhere lol
@@PokhrajRoy. Must be tough man. Hope the paparazzi leave you alone...
@@bhuvanaprakash3029 Let them get over Taimur first lol
would love to see a trope video on the "tortured artist", especially "the writer"!
I saw "The actress" and Emma Stone and i inmediately thought of that SNL skit where Emma plays an actress that gets too much into her role: the wife whose husband cheats on ,in a gay porn
That skit was awesome, the wife was an interesting, relatable character and you understand why Emma is an Oscar winner XD
That was hilarious especially when paired with Becks deadpan and calmness.
Can you do The Ingenue as a trope? I see Bridget Jones as a deconstructed Ingenue and Bombshell (face and personality of former, body and sensuality of latter). Also the Wallflower with a focus on WFs of color, the "All Grown Up and Beautiful" trope, Asian Women in media, and the slow burn of curvy bodies and representation in Hollywood
I love these suggestions! Betty Boop could also be an excellent example of an Ingenue, since she doesn't realize how attractive she is to those around her!
Yes! Would love this too
@@trinaq "You don't know you're beautiful, oh oh, that's why you're beautiful" describes the Ingenue to a T
You really are obsessed with Bridget Jones, aren't you?
I love the conversation between Sussannah and Debra by the end of the video. A great way to see the compromise that The Take have with the topic they touch in every video
I think that a big part of the fear at aging of real life actresses has a lot to do with the industry itself. It's so hard to find a good piece of media with complex well rounded senior women's. I mean, according to Hollywood women over 50 are etiher crapy hollow villains or crapy nurturing mother figures. I'd be terrified too.
Your video made me cry. I act all the time in my job. I'm a nurse. You put a wall up between yourself and too much real emotion because all of would probably kill you. But at the same time, you have to be there for your patients and your real emotion in your work is what makes you help them. To remember who you are there for and to help you learn. But at the same time...your body and your age...even though it is making you a better nurse because your intuition gets better and your knowledge base increases and actually connects with it...your body starts failing. Especially if you have children and your shifts are all over the place. You have to be kind but assertive. Jaded enough to look after yourself but still kind when you need to be....and then imagine working and relying on a bunch of people with these same problems. Not trying to be woe is me...I am very lucky and thus is the profession I chose....but your video helped.
One of my favorite movies about actresses is Stage Door (1937) with Lucille Ball, Ginger Rogers, and Katherine Hepburn. I love how it captures the competitive nature in the industry, talented ingenues getting overlooked in favor of women who aren't talented but have the connections. It's a sad film, but a very good one.
It’s disturbing to see in Mainstream Hindi Cinema how the Hindi Film Actress has been ‘othered’ by assuming she’s dumb and that’s what a lot of people think of them. But if you learn about them, they’re interesting, intelligent and fun people.
Bollywood is a shithole and most actresses sell their bodies. What do u expect?
@@TheFourthWinchester You’re half right. It’s not always smooth sailing but you shouldn’t be reductive and say “sell their bodies”. Not at this point in time.
@@TheFourthWinchester Mainstream Bollywood isn't that great but the more niche movies are way better. 🤷🏽♀️
Also when was the last time we saw big superstars paired up with women of their age ? 50 years old male actors paired with 20 years old young actresses(mostly debutants) in mainstream movies, it needs to change.
Thank god OTT exists but it's also being censored because of so called 'Sanskars' or to preserve 'indian culture'
@@Despair254 I agree with that but we need to back artists and not mercenaries. It’s high time that the industry realises this.
As a woman in her late 30s, I feel this so hard. I really feel like I've got an expiration date, now somewhere in my past, that limits my opportunities in life in so many ways - and like, no matter what I do, my looks always have and always will define me.
I don’t even like being called an actress, an actor is an actor, it’s gender neutral! It’s funny how teens and 20’s are the ideal of a female screen actress but on stage it’s 30’s. Good luck finding a stage role with a decent amount of lines if you are under 30! Or longer if you look young. 🤪 It’s so awful because at 25 I’m running out of time to start screen acting but having to play literal children on stage. Like 11-15 year olds. There’s no winning!! It feels like I’ll go straight from playing kids to playing grannies sometimes. I just want to engage in the art-form I love so much, that’s it.
‘Sunset Boulevard’ was just genius.
I love this new personal commentary section at the end! I would love a whole episode of this type of commentary. But please keep adding it to the end as well!
Hey! I would love to see a video about the "Sensitive male artist working on one last piece of art to change the world" Trope. It's surprisingly common, especially in musicals with men writing *the song*
We need a video about female feuds in media, with Joan Fontaine VS Olivia de Havilland, Joan Crawford VS Bette Davis, Kathy Perry VS Taylor Swift, Kim Cattrall VS Sarah Jessica Parker, Shannen Doherty VS Alysa Milano, Mariah Carey VS Jennifer Lopez, Britney Spears VS Christina Aguilera, and Victoria Justice VS Ariana Grande. There are a lot of topics that should be discussed when talking about female rivalry in media, such as feminism, patriarchy, fame, media outlets, female friendship, Smurfette principle, male friendship, and so on...
Female feuds. Many men love these cat fights. If it were among men it would seem a bit weird. Not masculine at all. James Woods would punch De Niro (Sadly Too outspoken woke) around like he did in Once upon a time in America.
Is it fair to say that Norma Jean Baker created Marilyn Monroe the "sexpot" (7:04) in the same manner that Marion Michael Morrison created John Wayne the "über-male" or Archie Leach created Cary Grant the "coolest guy in the room"?
Can you do an analysis of toxic friendships in trainspotting?
I'm disappointed you didn't have the names of the movies that you were showing scenes of this time. There's a lot of them in there I would love to watch. What's the one with Jessica Lange called?
Feud. It is a TV show
@@ihavenomouthandimustnya thank you!
Please do a video analyzing various film tests and their pros & cons (like the Bechdel Test, the DuVernay Test, and the Mako Mori Test)
Just want to continue voicing my support for the post-video discussion. I'm really loving this new addition and hope it continues!
I'm an actress and this video really hit home for me
Can you guys analyse the" best friend of the protagonist, who's always at their house, mostly for food" trope. We also see a comedic effect in him/her being repeatedly kicked out. Examples include Hakeem from Moesha and Will's friend in the Fresh Prince of Bel-Air
I find it interesting why the shows rarely, if at all delve into the reason why, if that makes sense
Posted 20 seconds ago. Never been this early, I think. Cannot wait to see what your guys take is on this trope
read it now!
Honestly, I'm tired of this trope, I don't want to see actresses playing actresses having a hard time becoming actresses. And I'm an actress!
I want to see them playing other people outside of their own job.
I loved ‘Notting Hill’ as a Meta Film on Actresses. Julia Roberts is awesome!
I would love to see your take on the "Queer Parent" trope
I’m loving the Post-Credit Scenes.
To be honest, I've been curious to try acting myself. The idea of putting on a character to reveal their innards to the world. To push forward our perception and understanding of the human experience. I don't know if I'd be any good at it. But I'm curious. Thank you for creating this content. Seeing an examination of this idea from this perspective is so interesting to me. How film and mass media engage with our culture's depiction and understanding of femininity is such an in-depth and nuanced a thing, isn't it???
My favourites are Betty and Rita from Mulholland Drive, the dark side of showbiz and all the suspense about that film gets me goosebumps
I was super excited when I saw Sarah Goldberg as she was the best performance general of 2019 and then I became severely depressed knowing we still don’t have Barry Season 3
Atleast we'll have like atleast up to 4 seasons! The scripts been written apparently 🤤
I would love you to explore the writer trope! Or maybe just people with an English related career and how they are written for film and tv.
The irony of the whole "actresses are insane" mentality meanwhile Tom Cruise is still being invested in by Hollywood.......
For the general World Wide audience He is Tom Cruise and most are not aware of controversies/criticism he receives. They simple want action and escapism. Adam Driver, Tom Cruise, Keanu Reeves are seen as non political. They don't open their mouth blabbering non sense like many other actors. Look at Tom Hanks expressions during Ricky Gervais Golden Globes ceremony.
@@lucioagelvis2134 P.S. Literally everything Tom Cruise says is him blabbering nonsense. What sane person shames a mother (Brook Shields) for having postpartum depression?
@@giancarlojacobs9982 I agree, but he hasn't added anything for 15 years. Worldwide audiences are unaware of the Brooke Shields incident. Producers as you all know mostly see profits. Marketability. People like the Chinese are in your face non PC.
Hahaaa! GIRL!
@@lucioagelvis2134 The information is/ has been there. It's only due to his social advantages that they ignore signs of mental decline in himself, Mel Gibson and other men like them.
I love the reviews you girls are doing at the end of every video 💗
Every day that I see there's a new video from you guys is like Christmas- carry on being awesome!
The movie perfect blue by Satoshi Kon explores this trope really well
It's hard out here to be an actress. You have to love it or you won't survive it. I say that from firsthand experience. You don't last or you'll need frequent space to survive such an out of your control career. It can hurt you bad to live life as others for others through other's eyes & visions. The business & bureaucracy alone can take you out some days. But when you love it... and you can see yourself blossom in that love... man, there's nothing like it... ❤️
Konkona Sen Sharma in ‘Luck By Chance’ is a great example of the deconstruction of ‘The Ingenue’/Blank Slate Category.
Please do the an analysis of the Bechdel test :O
Please consider Teacher Trope next. It seems like you can only either be a saint or a devil.
Marriage and family often interfere with women's creativity due to commitment, unpaid workload, and social expectations of being a "good" housewife. That a lot of actresses, writers, eco-activists, managers, and other busy women weren't included mothers is fairly true in the arts and the media.
Russian sculpturist Anna Golubkina said: "The art of tied hands does not like. You have to come to him with free hands ... Art is a feat, and here you have to forget everything, give everything".
@TheTake Is there a video about how men crossing dressing as women is "Silly Adventures Time!" And how women crossdressing as men is "time to get a serious education and war medal"?
And yet both get hijacked by romance too!
It would be interesting to see the "Method Actor Who Goes Too Far" Trope
Isn't that something that happens more in real life than in fiction?
@@XanderVJ I mean, just look at some messed up stuff Jared Leto has done, for example..
@@peaceflowerstudios6833 Again, that's real life, not fiction.
I’d love to see a video essay on Grey’s Anatomy! Like “A Masterclass in being Human”
I'd love to see a video on the Religious Zealot, most of which being women.
Please do a Slavic trope in movies, unfortunately they are always shown as Russian speaking mafia crooks, killers, war deserters and in that vein. They keep mixing people from different Slavic countries and the stereotype of the countries and what they look like is really devastating.
18:40 Punintended or not, I really appreciated that
I always say, "Oh look they aren't simply disembodied voices." Keep killing it! My MFA thanks you.
Yet there are actresses over 50 actresses who still have thriving careers, Maggie Smith, Judi Dench, Vanessa Redgrave, Sissy Spacek, Ellen Burstyn, Sigourney Weaver, yet these ladies have actual talent to maintain a long career.
That may be somewhat true but they still aren’t given the best parts compared to younger counterparts like Emma stone and Scarlett’s Johansson etc… they also rarely appear in movies as much as they use to. So there’s still a long way to go.
Since y’all are doing character-career tropes as well, can we get a Tortured Artist or The Writer trope?
I’m happy that Mainstream Hindi Cinema has some brave women who do some amazing work well into their 40s and 50s.
Haha not really though. Madhuri, Juhi, and Kajol continue to do films, but not with the same success as SRK, Hrithik Roshan etc. Their age poses a fake “sell-ability” problem
I agree. But Bollywood and Hollywood (and let’s face it - the majority of professions) has a problem with nepotism. We rarely get people who don’t have a familial foot in the door make it big in the industry. Somebody could have the training/experience and never make it in simply because they’re not related to a celeb whether distantly or directly.
@@ojuskhanolkar7146 Honestly people still go to watch a movie because it has Madhuri, Juhi or Kajol in it. In Hollywood though only Meryl Streep sells her movies because she is in it. Come to think of it even Shabana Azmi can still sell movies in India. And may I point out, Meryl Streep is by no standards your typical actress. We will never see a Meryl Streep again not because she is a very good actress, there very good actresses in every generation, but because Meryl Streep has been nominated for / more Oscars than any other actress OR male actor alive or dead!! She the most Oscar nominated / won person ever in the history of the world. It is extremely unlikely that any one would be able to come anywhere near her accomplishments. So let's not use Meryl Streep as an example of how Hollywood is fairer to its leading ladies.
Is this a joke? Bollywood is a cesspool.
@@TheFourthWinchester It is but change is slow. Seeing some semblance of a change is better than no change at all. I know where you’re coming from. I do accept your point.
Very glad I decided to use waterproof eyeliner today.
I loved the conversation at the end! Although I think the scripted part is, of course, well-researched and very informative; I enjoy a little conversation that looks more organic 😁
13:50 "The Comeback" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! love this show
I enjoyed the less-exaggerated voiceover in this video. Could you possibly have the other voiceovers be more like this one? Thank you 💖
I love this channel. I recommend it to my film teacher.
Hi Takedom 👋 we are here for another troupe, I love these things!
Loving the format with discussion at the ends!
I'm grateful as an actor (sometimes) that I've never been the engenue type. I usually tend to get engenue-supportive roles (best friend to the best friend or someone with their own arc altogether), or villain/antihero roles in a few cases. For my money they're much more interesting, and I'm so glad that my job isn't to just serve as some male fantasy. If I have a greater future in acting, being a character actor is probably it, and that suits me fine.
That being said, I do feel bad for actresses who are judged primarily on their looks in the opposite sense, and are told that's all that they can be and are limited by the system as a result. They don't deserve to be judged only by their looks, just as much as I don't.
I quite like the 2 min reflexions at the end, good idea. Keep up the good work, you're the best!
This channel is so good!
Please make a video about the “singer” trope and how movies and shows portray the dark side of the music industry.
Yes! This would be a good one to cover.
I dig the end roundtable discussion! Nice to see your faces :) It would be even better w/good audio/lighting!
6:42 Don't men have to change their names, too? Cary Grant was once Archibald Leach and John Wayne was Marion Robert Morrison. Maybe it doesn't happen so often today. But there are a suspiciously large number of actors called Chris out there...
Could you do about the cutting your hair as ending a cycle or going through something trope and how it’s actually a male gaze and not only about breaking stereotypes and empowering
to be fair, most women I know when they want/need or will go trough some change, they DO change their hair.
@@xtltokioreal2736 you see
21:27 No, please don't cut her off in the middle of a sentence. These ladies often have such elaborated opinions which I find very interesting to listen too.
Make the next one about the childfree trope
It would be really nice if you put link to the IMDB page of the movies you mention
Please make the Twins trope!! 🙌❤️✨
I loved the unscripted dialogue at the end!
I can't believe I'm one of the first people to watch and enjoy this video.❤️✨
Can you please either add the title of the movie snippets when you show them or provide that info in the video description? Quite often I don't know what the snippet is from and don't recognize the actor so I can't look it up on imdb. Thank you. Love your videos.
another A+ video! love your channel the most. One thing i would’ve loved to see in this video is the possible intersection of race and actressness. This video featured and was focused on white women almost exclusively, and i think that’s fine, as long as you touch on it.
This channel has gone crazy on the ads!! It's worse than watching a tv with all those commercials on! You cannot any longer understand the point they are trying to make.
The roaring "WOOOOO" i made seeing "Staged" being acknowledged.
I can‘t believe they didn‘t mention Penny from Big Bang Theory in this video, not even once! 😂
I LOOOOOOVE " THE TAKE"! INTERESTING FEMINIST-BASED SOCIOLOGICAL VIDEO ESSAYS ABOUT AMAZING MOVIES?! GIVE ME MOOOORE! so good, SO intelligent, AND introduces me to movies and shows i wouldn't normally know about. Thanks "the take"!
I wished they would show an older woman that is fine with being old and tells the younger actress how she feels more free to do what she wants.