American Reacts to Why Norway's Educational System is THE BEST
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- I don't know anything about Norway's educational system, so I am very interested in comparing it to the United States since it is the only system I know of. From what little I have seen the education in Norway appears to be highly respected and extremely effective, in which case I am excited to react and learn about how it all is set up, from my American perspective. If you enjoy my reaction feel free to leave a like, comment, or subscribe for more videos like this!
I'm a norwegian guy. The best education system, in the world. Is not in, Norway. Finland, are the masters off good education. They are number 1, every year.
Thought the same, but it's still up there. ^^
It depends on what you expect from the education system. The Finnish school is more old-fashioned than the Norwegian one. They focus more on academic learning, but unfortunately Finnish students do not enjoy school very well. They think the subjects in school are boring. In Norway, we have invested more in developing the whole person, and not just the students' academic skills. I believe that it is important to take care of the whole person, and in that the Norwegian schools are better there than Finnish schools.
If academic skills is the only that matters, then Finland is best.
Looking at the structure of this comment, I have to say you're absolutely correct.
Student in Finland do the best on tests, but that doesn't mean they have the best education system.
They produce students that do the best on tests, but do they produce human beings that will do the best in life and make them happy people?
I very much doubt so.
And there are lots of things that suggest that the great tests the students in Finland do, don't correlate much to how much success they have as adults.
@@potetstappe666
Thats a rude comment. You skipped school " the day one had sosial intelligence" as a topic ?
"Russetiden" as we call it, is not after graduating middle school, but high school, usually the kids are 18, and are allowed to drink alcohol at this time (age limit is 18).
both yes and no, it depends on what color you are. i was black and most of us were 17, nobody cared though as we always partied at peoples houses or in parks.
And the party is just befor the exams so we kan learn how to be hungover and still preform ;)
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The rule for Black Russ is 3 years of vocational training, so if you are 17 years old, you cannot possibly be a real Black Russ
@@Vestbest70 excuse me what no?? I was black russ, i was 17. Its all about year of highschool not age yes but most black russ have 2 years of actual school, celebrate Russ then to apprenticeship for 2 years. Most aint born before may and will then be 17, like I was.
Brennevin er det 20 års grense på
We do have homework, but as a former primary school teacher I can tell we highly recommend the students to use no more than 1 hour a day on homework in primary school. In middle school most students will use 1-2 hours, I guess.
Considering that the school day in Norway is shorter than in most other comparable countries, students have to do homework to keep up with others. Norway takes 10 years to give students as many school hours as Spain does in 9 years. Like Norway, Denmark has 10 years of primary school. At that time, Norwegian pupils receive 8,000 hours of compulsory teaching, while Danish pupils receive 11,000 hours of teaching. The municipalities can increase the number of hours, but will not receive financial compensation from the state for doing so. The hours in question here are 60 minutes.
That said, Norwegian schools are demanding. Frida Senneset spent a year in USA in High School. She was asked what the biggest differences between being a student in Norway and the USA. This is her answer:
"For my part, the year in the USA was MUCH easier than it is in Norway. The subjects and homework are much easier than at home. The teachers put very little pressure on the pupils compared to Norwegians. The amount of work pupils get is limited. Otherwise, the school day feels longer since you have the same subject every single day, at the same time all year."
In most schools in Norway one hour equals 45 minutes, using the term "skoletime/school hour". The amount of school hours spent in school is 25 hours a week in grade 1-4, 28 hours a week in grade 5-7 in primary school and 30/31 (?) hours in middle school and 30(study specialization)/35 hours (vocational subjects) a week in high school. In study specialization students are expected to spend more time on homework than in vocational subjects. In vocational subjects, students need access to more guidance, special rooms and equipment, therefore they have more hours at school.
Many municipalities are now becoming "homework free" where primary. And sometimes even middle school education is homework free. I'm assuming they had their misconception from this
I remembered back in elementary, when I finished all the homework for the entire week, and when I told my teacher many weeks in a row, she just told me to stop doing the entire week's homework on Monday and Tuesday XD
@@elementalgolem5498 Students in these municipalities will most certainly loose a whole lot of reading practices and math practices. In the long run I can tell you they will loose.
@@Carlium Probably since she was going to teach some of the subjects later in the week.
@@ahkkariq7406 Look at Finland, they dont have homework,and they are ranked #1 in education in the world.
The single most important thing the Norwegian school system taught me was to be a critical thinker.
Even if someone tells you (example) that 1+1=2, you don't take it as fact just because someone said it, you do your own research, find the information and then if the information is valid then we learn and move on, if it's not then we just move on.
That is the most important thing we can teach our children. Unfortunately, it may seem that many today teach the opposite, because it takes a lot to dare to go against the narrative in today's society.
Yes I agree, developing critical thinking is more important than only memorizing lists of facts
Over-exaggerating bullshit
We do have homework, from 1 grade. But there is debate about it. You are not supposed to use too much time on it though (think a lot of people spend 1-2 hours a day, but some spend more time, and as you get older you get more homework. In high-school it also depends on the teaching style of the individual teacher) . Until middle-school nothing really happens if you don't do it.
The middle school I went to made it so all the work you don't complete within school hours you get as homework. Great system which makes for greater control for each individual student
Homework is definitively a problem, because not everyone have a good home environment, thus homework creates inequality in the education system.
@@Nai_101 We had that on occasion. However, in most classes it was traditional homework. I'm dyslexic and would use 4-5 hours almost every day on homework (I wanted top grades) and I was given the option to get less homework if I wanted, due to the time I spent... but I think that would have made tests harder for me, so personally declined. On bigger assignments, we would often have some time to work on it in class in addition to working at home. (I went to middle school from 2012 to 2015).
No homework at my high school, some but not much at my middle school
I actually got less and less homework, my two years in high school had almost no homework, just English the first year and social studies the next year, after that I was an apprentice, I just had to write down where I've been and what I did, that's it.
i would recomend a video on the school celebration part. as a Norwegian this party at the end of the graduation was insane. its called russ and people buy busses and cars with speakers
It's what we do instead of spring break
We pool our money and buy YES kittedout busses and cars
With big speakers and beer coolers
And then we PAAARRRTTYYY for 4 to 6 weeks to celebrate our 3 year of high school
And it's not uncommon to go to school the last 4 weeks hungover or drunk 🤔 for some
And YES WE HAVE HOMEWORK just don't believe everything you hear
but we are trying to go the way of no homework but we are a long way a way to get there
Just saying 🇧🇻
Bare idioter gjør det😏😉
@@Orikix Feil. Bare ungdom gjør det. Ungdom er ungdom, og det skal de få lov til å være. Det kalles å rase fra seg.
The big difference is spring break is after final exams..
Ha! That sounds very entertaining. Thanks Moto
Whenever I had standardised tests in Norway it was never to measure student performance. What was measured with standard tests was the quality of the education system and the institution.
All universities and colleges are free. You can choose a private one and pay if you want, but they are rare compared to the public ones, and frankly not better.
They are tho
@@MelandOfficial Not in my book
@@peacefulminimalist2028 sure, but from a factual standpoint, it is.
@@MelandOfficial You need to prove it then if it’s factual. Is BI better than NHH for example?
Depends on what you study. Some subjects the privat option is better, but piblic is usually either better or just as good. And even privat schools have a max that they can charge pr semester, so if you choose privat you are still not going to be ruined by the debt.
I didn't go to high-school. I had a leap year after middle school, because I needed a break, where I worked. Then applied for school again the following year. That was year 11, finished that year and didn't continue. Joined the work force, tried a lot of different work, did my time in the army. Came home after that and took some time off, being my rebellious young self.
Now I've been with basically the same company for twelve years, doing something I love doing.
I make maybe a little bit under the average pay in Norway, but with a kid I pay child support for, expenses and all that, I still have enough left over to do whatever I want. Be it travel, buying tech, or whatever else I want or need.
So you can have a good life in Norway without school. I have dyslexia and a major concentration issue, so school was never for me. I work well, though.
In the coming years my pay will increase to just above the average pay too, so that's nice, without an education.
As a teacher, I have seen students who struggle with school, but who are very skilled in practical work. The most important thing is that you master reading and arithmetic as well as possible. If you do that, you have every opportunity to succeed in creating a good life for yourself if you are willing to work hard with what you love doing.
As a high school teacher I can confirm that students do have homework, but a lot of teachers let the students work with some of the homework in class. Not sure what is expected for pupils in primary school. I have heard somewhere that our bachelors degree is 3 years unlike America's four because our last year of high school is more like America's first year of a degree. Universities are free, but almost everyone takes up student loans to cover living expenses. Dorms are not really a thing in Norway and rent in the bigger cities is quite expensive.
They start learning english as early as 2 grade, i was suprised how fast my sisters kids could understand the basics when i spoke english to my sister, we had to switch to german so we could keep discussing birthdays in front of the kids..
1st grade
Actually, some kindergartens also teach some english, so many kids start english lessons at 4-5 years of age.
It is not required by law to give out homework. But I would say most schools do.
You can do your homework during class after you have finished the classes material.
The potitical parties have quite opposite views on the subject tho.
Around 8:40 there's a comment about learning in your native language. The reason this was/is a huge thing is because of the "fornorskning" (Norwegianization) of the Sami children/culture around 1850-1960. I suggest looking into this as a historical undersanding behind some of our culture and why this matters :)
Excellent suggestion. My best recommendation is to check Yourway2Norway and Ronalds story. As a Norwegianized sami myself, I can tell he is on point: th-cam.com/video/NZwqrJXoRng/w-d-xo.html
As a Sámi person I thank you for bringing light to this
@@Nai_101 I unfortunately don't know nearly enough about this, and it's a shame so many forget this was a thing. It's the least I can do :)
@@defectivebunny Well, people can't forget what they didn't learn much or anything about. I mean, there was shamefully little about the Sámi in our history and civic studies back when I was in school, hopefully that have improved somewhat now two decades later, but I suspect it hasn't by much. I've heard about the term "fornorskning" in regards to the Sámi, but I'm certain that was not from School, lol.
At least our modern generations are raised with the idea that the Sámi are part of the broader Norwegian identity with a culture of their own that only enriches our nation and not something "different" and non-Norwegian that must be weeded out like too many believed in the past. Different cultures aren't a problem, conflicting values are, and modern Sámi have pretty much the exact same values as any other Norwegian. Thus it's important that their cultural preservation is taken seriously.
@@ShadowTani This is true! I learned briefly about this in history and norwegian classes, and I guess I had more reason to learn/remember this as I grew up up north.
High school is where we start to specialize: You can proseed and take more theoretical school, chemistry, physics, maths on a higher level. But you can also choose a theoretical course of more social studies. These schools prepare you to go on to uni, aince toi don’t really have any basis to get a very good job after just high school. But then there is also the more physical school, that prepare you to go directly into work after you are done. This would be things like becomming a hairdresser, constroction worker, electrician etc. = more physical work where you need to go out into the field to get experience and learn.
Your grades from middle school determine which school you can go to. But most people do have a certain idea of what the different schools and courses require, and can prepare accordingly.
You can still go to uni with the more physical high school; but you will need to take a 4th year of high school to prepare you for uni.
My son was very interested in Science. I 'subsidised' his science classes because they were woefully lacking. He also spoke English as a native language, (despite being born here.) but they always refused to give him any more advanced instruction in it than what his class was learning as 'EASL'. I had him read and watch Shakespeare and a few other more classic English works to challenge him. His creative writing skills in both languages bloomed in years 8-11 with him getting 6's. He went through Yrkesfag line and it seemed all general studies stopped abruptly, including science, despite him going into Electro. Because he's always been such a curious cat and good at learning on his own, his math and physics was seen as a resource in the classroom and he was even filling in for teachers and being asked to teach the first years Arduino programming. He was good at it. This year, he started his dream apprenticeship at the local university and he's loving it. They need MORE science in the grades leading up to VGS. Kids were going into other Yrkefag with so much less science and its made me realise, that even here, people can so quickly fall for scammy health trends and the most ridiculous misinformation.
Higher education is free - but with qualifications... Tuition is free but while studying You need to live: Food, housing, transportation, garment, and that isn't free. There is a public credit institution providing cheap loans - but in any case You need to pay mortgages and with the price level that can be a trouble.
My understand is that you also get grants if you need them, and the loans are cheap, and reasonable, and a portion can be converted into grants once you finish your degree. You also don't have to start paying until you finish studying, and can have it delayed up to two years (maybe three).
As other commenters have already mentioned, there are a decent amount of inaccuracies in the video you watched.
For instance, the "graduation celebration" bonus near the end. That does not happen at age 15 / middle school, it happens at the end of high school, where students will be 17-19 years old.
Would love to see you reacting to a video covering this celebration, though, as it is an incredible time. The term for it is "russefeiring".
Dude we have russ at 15 and 17
@@vibbexzirlolasume9496 Russ happens after "videregående skole", which is our high school equivalent. I'm not sure what (potentially) local celebrations you might have, but it's definitely not russ/russefeiring at 15. The age of students varies between 17 and 19 after videregående, depending on what study you entered (2-year or 3-year duration), and what time of year your birthday is (unless of course you count the year you *turn* 18, in which case the "minimum" age for russ would be 18).
It is, orange russ. Then in 17 you are red or black or green russ
Dude you are wrong, if you Norwegian then you failed being it 😂 look it up i understand you confusion if you not from here
@@vibbexzirlolasume9496 I am fully Norwegian, born and raised. I have however never heard of "orange russ", and after looking it up I understand why.
So no, I've not "failed" at being Norwegian; you are simply using an uncommon *borrowed* version to make it seem that way. It is not part of the standard definition.
As a Norwegian middle schooler. I’ve had homework all through elementary and middle school. Only a handful of special schools don’t have them. And it’s not graded, but it’s checked. Children here aren’t graded all through elementary school, only when you come up to middle school.
There are so much wrong in this video. Firstly, the first 7 years of school is called «kids school» and grade 8-10 is called «youth school». After Youth school you apply to college to either continue your general education as preparation for engineering school or university or you start education for a profession directly after youth school. And yes there are homework from the very first week your at school as a 5/6 year old and all the way up.
Barneskole / Grunnskole = Elementary school (1-7)
Mellomtrinn = middle school (5-7) (rarely used)
Ungdomsskole = high school (8-10)
Videregående = College (years depends on course you take)
(I'm unsure of the rest as I went a more "trade-school" route, I'm currently a (service) technician, so you don't need to be an academic expert to work in Norway)
When it comes to the knowledge of high school students i e PISA tests Finland and Estonia leads the ranking. Norway had some world leaders when it comes software for school administratiom like It"s learning and Visma. Bachelor degrees requires Norwegian language but many Master programmes are taught in English. They are all free for everybody worldwide so by making an effort students from the US can study for free in Norway and finance the stay by working part time.
At the middle school I am in, you kinda don’t have homework but the work at school you didn’t do you have to do it at home
I took an education in construction in high school. It was 2 years in school and 2 years as an apprentice. I worked 1 year as a carpenter after I got my certification, and then went to university and studied construction engineering. The only thing I had to pay for was my books and the semester fee to the school, that was like 60 USD each semester, so pretty much free. Ofc I had to get a student loan to have money while I was studying, but some of the loan gets written off as a scholarship as I passed my exams and got my degree. I belive about 10-20 percent of my loan became a scholarship after i was done.
My son is doing this now with Elektro line. He got his dream apprenticeship right there at the University, so he's getting excited to not just end with a trade certificate, but to get a BSc in something. Did you have to do any påbygg in any subjects? It's such a darn good system. (I've lived in both the US and New Zealand)
@@TheAccidentalViking Yes I had to study one year of "forkurs" at the university before I could study engineering. In the forkurs class I had to study the levels of maths and physics needed for entry into engineering studies.
There are some factual mistakes here. but first of all a little clarifying. elementary is from age 5 or 6, until you turn 13-14. Year 1-7. After that we have the age gap up to 15-16. Year 8-10. And High school is from that age and on.
The length of high school vary depending on what course you take. There is the theoretical one which take 3 years, and is prepping you for university. And there is the practical one. This is usually 2 years in school and 2 years apprenticeship in a real company. However, if you decide after two years that you want to take higher education, you can take one year of theoretical studies to get a general studies competency "diploma". This allows you to take most university bachelors, all though some require things like physics, specialized math etc. When the students are done with a vocational education+apprenticeship, they are qualified for a specific career, depending on what they choose.
Kids age 6-16 do have homework in most schools, but it is usually the things you can not finish in class. All homework is a repetition of things they have already taught you in school. Or should be at least. We're not perfect after all. There is an ongoing discussions about dropping homework all together, and some school districts have done it already. and as another comment say, we reccommend not exceeding 1 hour each day, so the kids can enjoy life.
The celebration is after high school, not middle school. It used to be a similar celebration after middle school, but most places don't have it anymore. The Russetid is after high school. so most kids have turned at least 17. And it's party time. You should really check out a video about it, because it's insane. Truly insane.
Some things that are not mentioned:
Teachers rarely pay out of pocket for school supplies. These are provided by the school. Most 1st graders now get Ipads or similar.
Teachers are encouraged to get supplementary education, and you can apply to get payed free time from work as a teacher in order to get further education. And it's free.
There are laws in place to make sure kids with special needs get tools to help them. If for example you are dyslexic, the school has to provide you with equipment that helps you cope with your disability.
Kids have access to laptops at school, all though some of them are outdated. Most schools are upgrading their technology, but it is a slow process because politics.
We don't have free food in most schools. Kids bring their own food. but more and more schools make room for it in their budget. The high school where i live provide breakfast for the students in the morning.
The kids that attend high school get money from the government, depending on their parents income and if they have to move away. If you have to move away from home to attend, you get more, and if you are from a low income family you get more. And you can take up a student loan in addition when you attend high school. If you finish high school and get your diploma, you get to keep, i think, 80% of the loan. And the rest you have to repay, with super low interests. But the stipend bit, which all can apply for when they get education, high-school and up, is yours. if memory serves me correct, a student that has to live away from home gets a stipend at about 600USD a month, plus additional equipment stipend to buy school supplies.
there is also additional stipends for students that have disabilities, are pregnant, have children and more.
The stipend is dependant on your fortune too. If you have too much wealth, you don't get it.
We also have to provide education for kids in their own mother tongue. Not just Norwegian. Russians get it in Russian, and Sami get it in Sami. Ideally. Sometimes we can't find teachers with the correct language, and then we have to do Skype classes. Also, if you are Sami, municipalities have to provide you with second language education in Sami too. Because it's counted as one of the official languages in Norway, along with Bokmål (Book-language) and Nynorsk (New Norwegian).
The graduation party isn't at 15, but 18 (also more like 3 months, not 3 weeks). And compulsory education doesn't end at US middle school age. When the video says "middle school" adjust everything up by like 3 years. They mean the equivalent of highschool in the US.
The education system in Norway is divided into 3-4 parts
- Kindergarten where the children as a rule start the year they turn 1 and they go there until the year they turn 6. Some kindergartens start a school starter club in the last year for the oldest in the kindergarten
- Primary school where you go for 7 years from 1st grade to 7th grade
- Junior high school where you can choose an elective (foreign language German, French or Spanish level 1) and you get grades.
- Secondary school for 2 or 3 years where you choose courses and also get language level 2 electives
There are several errors in the video you're reacting to.
Here in Norway, we're not introduced to English in middle school, it starts in primary. When I was young, primary school was 6 years (it's 7 now), and we started learning Enlish in 4th grade. Not sure exactly when they start now, but I still is in primary school.
Norwegians DO have homework. It's a highly debated topic, though.
Coastal areas often have temperatures below -4 ceclius, it's only in the southernmost regions it's rare.
The dual citizenship stuff isn't as simple at it seems in that video, there are quite strict rules.
The "bonus" about the celebration is NOT when you're 15, it's when you're around 18. It's called "russefeiring" ("russ" celebration).
It's 1th. My 1th grade class is learing about colors in English this week 😊 it's all oral and mostly singing and easy frases though. The written form starts after Christmas.
@@thorarisan Didn't know it's that early now. Thanks for the info 😀
@Thora Risan That's so awesome! If I may, I believe it's 1st not 1th. Isn't th for numbers that end or start in it, for example; the fourth hour. But maybe there's something I'm missing and sometimes you use both? Idk though.
20:10 Let it be noted that places close to a coast, for example Bergen, can have a lot of rain because of it's proximity to the ocean.
So expect there to be a lot of changes in weather if you live close to the sea.
High school also works as a trade school in case you want to be a builder, electrician, plumber, nurse-assistant, medical secretary, paramedic etc instead of purring collage/university
Up to "Ungdomsskole" or middle school, is obligatory in Norway. Most of students choose what kind of future you want for High school or "videregående". It can often be a lot to choose for High school. Many choose to take High schools depending on if they want university. Some choose vocational training and then university is less needed.
Norway also have the best singer/artist of all time and she is only 16 yo now in 2022. She won NGT in 2014 when she was 8. Published a book at the age of 9 and and and . One can go on with her achievements. Take note of Angelina Jordan. She has about 200 covers and a few songs of her own.
as for languages, we start with english already in 2nd grade, the languages we can choose from 8th to 10th grade are langauges like spanish, french, and german
We start with english in 1st grade
We do have homework in Norway. But the curriculum may be constructed in a way that it is possible to get through most of the work during school hours
Norway usually has homework until you start in high school (11-13 grade) and then it’s up to the schools to decide if you have homework or not. In high school I think there are very few schools with homework but we do have things that has a date to be completed and if you don’t have time in school we usually do that at home. So in some ways we do have homework.
The Alux channel is not always very reliable; their video on Norway in general was littered with factual erros. This one starts with one in the title. International rankings usually put Finland'at the top. Looking at the educational outcomes from the mandatory education, Norway falls way short of the top in several subjects.
For an international audience (and, frankly, a local one too) listing the dollar increases in state budgets only proves you have read the budget; in and of themselves they mean nothing: they need comntext. $11 million in the US is nothing, in Iceland it's a very great deal. This usage of numbers only lends itself to the appearance of credibility.
Private schools ARE allowed but with restrictions. One that would annoy the Alux channel's' core audience a lot, is that they are expressly forbidden to take out any profit as dividens: everything has to be used in the school itself. Religious schools are also allowed, provided they follow the standard curriculum, and does not teach racism, sexism etc. (the rules are complicated).
Public universities in most of Europe do not charge tuition fees, even to foreign students - you will find courses being taught in English. In the US, the public univeristies used to be called State universities. UCLA Berkeley used to charge only a very small fee (like $200 per semenster.)
Only the first 10 years are mandatory. If you after that take a vocational direction, you can go back to the more ‘academic’ schools.
The homework part is wrong in Norway but correct in Finland.
It is well known that teaching students for tests only qualifies you to take tests.
The goal for education should not be to teach students WHAT to think (some facts, like basic civics, and so non) but HOW to think, how to find and evaluate information.
Good summary. I also reacted to the many errors in this video.
Exactly.
Norway doesn't have a *bad* education system as such, but we're definitely not at the top.
React to: norwegian king's speech - norway is one 🙏🙏👍😁👍🇳🇴
About the bonus thing. We celebrate at the age of 18/19. We do it the year we turn 19. Its called "russetid". We party, make our own album of songs or out own versjon of a song on Spotify, celebrate and use a lot of money to buy and design our own bus in groups of about 20. Each group has a nickname, that we paint in cool fonts on our russ cloths and buses And we buy the russ suit as well with the cards we give around to kids that want them. On the cards we have. our name, school, a joke and our phone number.
The last bit the russ is age 18 at the end of your finale year of high school.
Almost everything in this video is wrong. We have TONS of homework and people are stressed out af, we also learn english from age 6 and onward, but in middle school we choose a 2nd language, and most people go for higher education. You can hardly get a job with a bachelor's degree here, you need a master's degree. Competition is fierce.
"We have tons of homework" you probably attend school in oslo then tbh
@@deathftmelancholy Nope, Bergen
I had also tons of homework
Me to :_ that video is full of lies..
I cant remember having much homework, also yes a bachelours degree is practically usless, but if you go to trade school and get a trade certificate, you are practically guaranteed a job regardless of what trade it is
Best reaction so far. Very good, Tyler.
bonus facts about RUSS. It's a period around our national day when the final exams end. 18-year-olds completing high school get themselves a "russedress" (a festive body suit) and spend about a month getting wasted and partying. Every "russ" prints out a bunch of cards, and kids love to collect them. You almost feel like a celebrity when all the kids beg for those cards lol.
there are walking russ, and driving russ. The driving russ usually have big busses they decorate, its called "russebusser".
This tradition is soooo cool, and is a motivation to not quit school after middle school.
Not only is the education free... All of Scandinavia (at least, maybe more countries in Europe) pays the students while they are actively studying. So as long as I have a good attendance I get payed each month by the government. On the higher levels of education we have the option to also add a loan on top of the money we get from the government. I am currently ONLY around $8500 in debt after 3 years of education with a loan added where I got payed around $1000/month for those 3 years. A lot of students that has moved out of their parents house would also get a job on top of that to have money for rent and partying tho :P
The celebration is after high school when they are 18. Fascinating to see your reaction to what’s going on in Norway 😊
Im just waiting for this guy to travel to Norway
This video was very inaccurate in a lot of ways. For example in "high school" as she called it, there are not 3 streams which is academic artistic and "something in between" as she put it. There are 15 different choices for "high school", most of which are different trades, one is called study specialization which is the main academic one, although there are many more ways to pursue higher education here through the various high school courses.
Definitely had homework in primary and middle school. But i cant remember doing any homework in high school, so we probably didnt have it there? XD
She diddnt include that you can go to trade school in high school, and its much the same here still, almost everyone with decent grades gets recommended shooting for couleage when they are in middle school
Yep. Our High school choices is based on our grades 1 through 6. I got in to Hartvig Nissen's Drama education because i had a 4.5 average and did a pretty good job at the audition. I think the usual average to get in to Hartvig Nissen was 5.1 when I applied. I got pretty lucky, and I've got a certain amount of talent. I know that if you want to become a surgeon you'll need at least a 5.1 when you leave 10th grade. I dropped out of 13'th grade since I've tried to pressure education and work in other ways than the regular school system. You never need school to learn, it's just a preferred way by society.
I had homework, but it was like 20 years ago. I think the schools had reforms while I went to High school. And in high school the homework was only the work we didn't manage to finish in class. I always winded up with tons of homework I didn't finish. But I still have a job I like, and a really nice boat-home to day. I am pretty happy about that aspect of my life. And this is thanks to Norwegian state believing that every kid gets a chance, no matter their circumstances.
Yes. To go to highschool. You choose a "line" that specializes in something. music dance and drama, sports, arts and design, information and service, general education, etc. Theese are the "study preparing" lines. They are three years and give you points and certificates to be able to go to university level education. There's also "construction and systems", food and resturant etc etc. That are the "work-life" lines. They are 2 years of theory and 2 years of practical employment. (generally) they do not give the certifications required for higher education. But you can always take a 1 year course after the 2 years of theory to get those. Generally speaking the study prep lines take a higher grade to get into and your competing with your Piers. This means that generally you end up in class with people that had similar grades to you. Some required as high as 5.6 (out if 6) on the grades to enter. Others were as low as 2.
According to foreign language, in Norway, pupils start learning English in 1. grade at 6 years old.
This is true.
Norwegian here. Even though we don't pay for the lessons we take at university, we still have to pay a fee. Of course, that fee isn't huge, if you go to public universities. Personally I only pay around 70-80USD per term. Which will end up costing me around 750-800USD for a masters degree.
Loved the reaction :D
We have asignments, but the time we have at school is more than enough to do the asignments and "homework".
The three-week celebration between middle school & high school could be viewed as a right of passage, marking the end of childhood & the beginning of young adulthood...
We learn english from primary school, so the elective languages in middle school is ususally German, French or Spanish. Or English, but only for those who need it, like immigrants, someone with learning disabilities etc. You HAVE to choose one of these, it's part of the curriculum.
Yes, middle school characters does effect which high schools you can get into, there is a point system, the higher scores usually go first. You select 3 schools of each topic you want to study basically. All of these school have a basic curriculum that they share, but then they have their special fields, like, mechanic, carpentry or other trade schools, media, sports, health, nature, tech etc, or just plain old study specialization which sets you on a more general path towards university like a doctor, biologist, scientist, economist since it has a wider selection of more advanced courses within math, biologi etc that you need to get into those type of higher education schools. It's also a good choice if you just don't know what you want to do yet, but it can burn you out more easily if you don't enjoy those types of classes. And we DO have homework! But there have been trials without i believe.
Our coast is warmer, but the north wind can be chilling to the bone.
And don't forget we have Friminutt "Free minute" or breaks between classes! For fresh air inbetween classes! This is very important for the kids, and increase their learning!
We do have homework. I have a daughter in the 3.grade. And she has 15 minutes of reading in a book of her choice and some assigned reading. Last week they read about mindcraft and this week it’s super Mario. 😄
Her class started learning English in 1.grade. The school is almost fully digital. They got iPads in 1.grade and will swap them for laptops in 4.grade. They use apps in every course (except pt😆). 1.grade was fully digital. In 2.grade they started writing on paper for the first time.
Still they mostly use the iPad.
The blackboard (whiteboard) is also a big screen and they watch SpongeBob during lunch hour (they eat in the classroom).
It’s very different from when I went to school. 😆 Back then cellphones were these big suitcases.
No homework is a bit of a stretch, but personally, I didn't really have homework for the two last years of high school, only English for the year, and social studies for the next year.
When I was an apprentice, I also didn't have any real homework, just had to write where I was and what I did, nothing too big.
I didn't go to university, I just went the trade route. I now work as a ( service ) technician.
We basically just goofed around the last part of the last school year, we finished the learning program before the school year ended, I even have a video on my channel about it. If the lesson was at the end of the day, we just went home, since we were done with the learning program.
Kinda, funny to listen to how much university people complain, when they had a choice where they could go an easier route.
An interesting part of Norwegian school culture is that, even up until and including high school, practically all Norwegian kids go to public school - whether it's elementary school, junior high school or high school. This includes children in the very affluent areas in Oslo and Bærum as well (Bærum is just west of the western part of Oslo, and is the wealthiest city in terms of per capita earnings and personal wealth in Norway). Kids whose parents make millions a year and can easily afford private schools domestically or abroad almost always go to the local area public schools. Obviously, if all their classmates are from the same affluent area these schools are pretty homogenous, but this is still significantly different from a lot of other countries - and not just The U.S., but also the U.K. and France, for example.
When she's talking about languages, she's talking about languages in addition to English, which is taught from early primary school.
The future yes it is true, the teachers told specifically that “you kids are the future of where we are going, and what jobs you are taking changes those path’s”.
We get the mild climate from your gulf behind Florida. Via the Gulf Stream that ends up going passed Norway.🤗🇧🇻 So thank you 👍
Public universities are free for everyone, including students from other countries. The education part is free, room and board is not, many opt for a university close to home and live with their parens, or live in apartments with roommates, student housing is possible, but very limited
We started to very very slowly learn a second language (english) back in first grade. The 3rd language is taught in middle school.
the only "homework" I had in high school was just working on projects I didn't finish in class.
Not sure if someone already commented it, but yeah we select a foreign language in 8th grade. But we do learn English from either grade 1 or 2 and will continue to learn that through 10th grade. You can still take it as an elective in High School, but not everyone does. But overall, the level of English in Norway (and the rest of Scandinavia for that matter) is very good! We don't dub stuff except for kids shows, so all movies, TV series, songs, apps, instructions (for hobby-stuff mainly, but also some electronics for things like computer components etc) will be in English. It's not an official language of Norway, but it's still kind of a 2nd official language even so, because pretty much EVERYONE here can understand it. At least in a day-to-day level, you'd be extremely unlikely to meet someone who doesn't understand you or can speak some level of English back to you.
We have recommend learning tasks, which is voluntary homework.
There's some confusion re: middle school, high school, etc. When she talks about 'graduating from middle school', she's referring to students age 15-16 (year 10 of schooling, where year 1 is the year you turn 6). At *this* point you can choose to not continue, or go through one of the three paths she describes.
we do have homework in Norway, but it's not forced onto students and is more optional to do. the teachers give them out, but are not expected to get them done in return.
Me as an Norwegian sitting and watching This video With homework in front of me
Note: We do indeed have homework, but it is possible to manage to do all of it before even going home, so technically homework is possible to avoid doing at home if you try
But at the same time, homework is being reduced over time, because we realized that homework doesnt actually help students for the most part, so eh
Also its very important to note: Russetid is _not at the end of middle school_ its at the end of High school! High school ends at 18 so there's a lot of drinking and partying done by them around our independence day (17th of May)
As a Norwegian, I promise you, we are NOT rich, but far from it. Most of us can barely afford to keep warm during the winter. We can barely afford fuel for our cars and power for our wheeled flash lights, even though the government have been forcing us to swich to electric cars.
Tyler, your videos are facinating even though I'm a Norwegian. I'm facinated by the US, so it has been nice hearing your thoughts.
I go to a University here in Norway which isn't 100% state funded, so i pay a tution fee, however, even this fee is only 50 dollars. I will have a loan of about 30 thousand dollars when im done, but thats because I'm taking a loan from the state so I can live in a city (where the Uni is) which is over 7 hours away from my home. I now get money from the state to pay for living and food while i am taking my degree. This loan also doesn't have to be paid to nor does it have any rent while i am at school. Once I am completley done with education, the loan gets a rent but its so close to 0 i end up maybe paying 200 bucks more than the original loan, and I have as much time as I need to pay it back. I can also get a small tax cut for having a loan.
Elementary school = Barneskole (directly translated = children’s school) is from 1-7th grade
Junior high = Ungdomsskole ( directly translated = juvenile school) is from 8-10th grade
High school = Videregående (directly translated = further going) is either 2 or 3 years. You start at grade 1 here. You can either study regular majors to get to university or majors to get an occupation after those 2 years.
Grades can determ what high school you go to, but if you have learning disabilities you can get in much easier. I had less homework in middle school then i had in primary school, i didn't have homework in middle school because my teacher ment kids should have free time and didn't like homework
I have a friend who works as a school teacher in the US. She told me she has to buy her own supplies wich she needs for her classroom teaching. That seems so strange. I have never heard of a school teacher in Norway needs to buy their own supplies. That's supplied by the schools.
The school supply most, but as a former teacher I can tell it is not at all uncommon for Norwegian teachers to spend some of their own money to buy equipment for the classroom/teaching.
We don't buy nearly as much as our American colleagues, but I do spend quite a lot on books (picture books for reading out loud.) Boxes to organise things etc.
We do get pencils, workbooks and all the arts and crafts supplies you ask for though. So everything i buy I can reuse, expendables are covered.
You do know that after watching all this videos of Norway, you have to Come visit and experience our lovely country for yourself. Just give me a heads up if you ever Come to Bergen, and I Will gladly show you around😉😊
The way i see it wiiith homework is everyone in primary school has it, some but not all in middle school have it and we do get assignments in high school, but where i am going it's ''if you dont do it in class you have to do it at home'' kinda thing
There are a couple of errors in the video you watched. First, some schools have homework, but many schools are moving towards a no homework model. Second, yes your grades from middle school impact which high school you can get into. High schools in Norway are divided into what type of education or career you want to pursue. You can do three years of general education, which is for those intending to go to university. But you can also go to vocational schools to pick up a trade, those last four years, but the last two of them you work as a trainee in your trade. After passing the last exam you can legally work as a professional in that trade. You can still go to university, but some courses require you take some required classes prior to going to uni.
The party weeks mentioned at the bonus section is called "Russetid", it is not after middle school, but after high school. Depending on which school you went to, you get to wear either red, blue or black clothes, and you party very hard up until the 17th of may to celebrate that you are done with school. However this happens before your final exam. You should react to "Norwegian Russ" videos, because this party is like no other on the planet :)
Keep up the great videos!
Hope you will come to Norway one day.
I used to have homework untill high school.
I'm in my 2nd but also last year of high school and next year im being sent out to work as a welder-trainee.
11:50 the better grades you have, the higher chance you have of getting in the line of education you want to do (the things you learn)
In Norway we have studiespesialiserende which is 3 years 11th to 13th, and it is just like middle school, but more advanced, and is preparing you for further education, and with studiespesialiserende you can pick between normal stuff, music, and gymnastics. Additionally there is yrkesfag that is 2 years 11th to 12th and you spend that time having some normal topics like math, Norwegian, English, and some various science stuff, but most importantly you learn things directly related to what you work as. This could be, woodworking, construction, electrician stuff, IT, media stuff (graphic designer, photographer, film maker, etc), food stuff, and a lot more. After those 2 years, you have an aditional 2 years where you work at a company and do stuff related to that like of education you picked. Then after those 2 years you get a test where you prove you know how to work in that industry, and after that you get a fagbrev or svennebrev that as kind of a certificate thingy, then if you want you can do an aditional year of some of the stuff from studiespesialierende though more condensed, so you can go to univerity, though you can also do something called y-veien and work for 5 years iirc and then you can also get into university.
Also with when you pick, you pick your top 3, and you will get into one of them, but as I said, you get prioritized depending on how good grades you have.
(usually only the grades from the last year of middle school count except for food stuff you do during year 9, and the grades you get from picking one class you can have each year)
The Bonus part is a bit wrong.
It is not after middle school, they celebrate for several weeks, but after high school, age about 19.
The profession education in high school - if you choose that direction - follows a model which is quite similar to other countries. There is 15 main programmes - leadung to more than 500 different certificates of apprenticeship (fagbrev). The first two years are at school, whereas the last two is spent as an apprentice in a relevant company, where you have a programme of what to learn - theoretically and doing in practise under guidance from skilled professionals. I.e. if you start in the building programme, you will have an introduction to the more spesific crafts like construction, carpenting, plumber, etc - and thereafter you choose your specialisation. If you feel you chose the wrong programme or specialisation, you can choose another (at least once). If you rather want to study at university, you can take an additional third year at school to qualify. At any time in life. My middle daughter first thought she should never study, and took a certificate of apprenticeship specialising in sales and marketing. However, after a few years, she found out that she wanted to study anyway, and then she tokk that third year to qualify, and last year finished her master degree. Of course, the combination of the profession study including practise combined with a higher education, is highly regarded in work life.
With the private school thing in Norway, I’m Norwegian and I go to a private school. I switched from public to private school because of my social anxiety and there were so many noisy classmates that made my school life a living hell. I’m an atheist, but I go to a Christian private school that is a much smaller school with only one class per grade. Everyone is accepted no matter their religion or if they simply don’t have a religion like me, the private school just had to have a name/theme to be accepted as a private school in Norway. Although I really hope that not all private schools become banned later on, since I really enjoy being a student at a small school where I can know who people are and get more knowledge and help from teachers.
High school in norway: while you can choose the more theoretical / univerity prep path, you can also choose paths towards trades.
On those paths you spend two years at school before entering two years as apprentice in a business, after this you take a test (teoretical and practical) as a certified tradesperson.
Trades/paths to take includes electrician, building&Construction, technology&Production, IT, healthcare, food&services, sales&marketing and some others.
Middle school grades is used to apply for Highscool. Some schools and paths are more popular, and admission is based on grades. But: all students are entitled for a spot, it might just not be your most favorite paths or specific school.
Because we, in Norway, spend the money on each other, instead of the military, and a few extremely rich.
Homework: when you have been at work for a long working day, do you take your work home and continue working?
The school is free, but you often have to move away from home. Then you get money for rent, food and what you need from the state, so you don't have to work, but concentrate on your studies. If you quit in the middle of the school year, you have to pay some of it back.
Im Norwegian, and im here to learn about Norwegians :D
How much do you know about your own education system?
Did you know the school funding in large parts of the US is decided by the property value in the surrounding area?
Public schools in rich parts gets much better funding than the schools in poorer areas.
Yes, the Highschools you can get into are determined by your performance in middle school. The video was wrong on the "no homework part" it just doesn´t get graded since it doesn´t happen at school.
The 3-week long graduation party is wild...not that I would know thanks to covid. However, it is not at age 15, but at age 18 (though some younger ones join in since they might be born late in the year or just sneak in at the party grounds) The teachers just expect all the students to be dead tired during class so the expectations there wasn´t that high.
in Norway you have the right to upper secondary school as an adult, you have the right after you turn 25. you can choose which education line you can, you can also apply for grants and loans can be converted into grants. all those who did not complete upper secondary school or immigrants have great opportunities for education. we are doing so well
The video is quite full of inaccuracies, and excludes some important details.
About school and university being free, it is free, truly free. This includes stipends/grants for anyone who can't afford housing, food, and other necessities while attending school, as well as material grants to buy school supplies. Not sure if Elementary, and Middle school has any grants, but I know "high school" does (although, it's closer to upper secondary school). You can also get a cheap, very reasonable loan that you you partially, or entirely convert into a grant when you finish school. University has a very similar system. Tuition is free, but living isn't, so students receive grants when they attend university, as well as again being able to take out very reasonable loans if they need anything extra.
Also, unfortunately homework is a part of the school system, and becomes mandatory to do at a certain point. Although, there's a big national debate about it, and many people think it should be discontinued (like in Finland, where students actually don't have homework).
Also, about "high school" (which is closer to upper secondary school). It's split into more normal "high school" where you primarily prepare for university, and vocational school, where you train for a vocation. It's not about being creative, or doing arts and crafts, its about learning professional knowledge. Vocation school does include lines where you learn arts and crafts, but the intention is that you'll learn the skills you need to do work within a broad field, including carpentry, handicrafts, and hair dressing. Of the top of my head there's also electrician, service/healthcare, IT specialization, restaurant/cooking, and mechanic.
Also, about the bonus, it's after finishing "high school" (upper secondary school), so most are either 17, 18, 19, or 20 depending on what cohort they're in, and if they took any leap years, and if they did a three year, or two year study (vocational lines are two years, then two years as an apprentice/intern). It includes a lot of drinking, driving around in cars, partying with load music, doing practical jokes (like covering cars with postit notes, amble use of toilet papier, and plastic wrap), and doing dares from an official bucket list.
She says foreign languages are introduced in middle school, but that is not entirely correct as we are taught English in Primary school. Middle school introduces optional extra languages and electives. And yes, our grades in middle school can affect what High schools we get into, or more specifically what courses we get into, because there are a lot of more specialized paths to take within High shcool. And the paths are either geared towards a trade, resulting in a kind of internship/on-the-joy training after two years (two years at high school, then two years of job training, culminating in a practical examination and certification - I currently have a niece on that path, she's on year two of on-the-job training as a cook) - or they gear more towards further higher education (then you have three years of high school). I did creative arts in my High School, with a focus on Drama. It allowed me to more or less get the same credentials towards further education (a few doors closed, but none that I would have wanted to take regardless) while still do something I was interested in.
Also Russ is at the end of High School, NOT middle school.
I did not complete high-school and because I have been so many years in my job I had a possibility to jump highschool and start on University instead to get a degree, there are two ways to get into university and one is to follow gradeschool, highschool and then move on to university... or if you are like me a dropout .. I was tired of school after 9 years gradeschool and began to work instead, anyway then you can do some highschool work and get a degree while you work, or you can apply because you have enough "points" as worker to apply higher education.
So no you don't need a higher education to get work, but it is easier to get work if you have a higher degree... some works do require you to have a higher degree, or even a high-school... I'm older now and it was easier to get jobs before, these days if I moved to another town/city I would probably not get the same job as I have now.
"Temperature rarely goes beneath -4C my effin behind xD That's just so freezing wrong
Some schools in Norway don't have homework, but most schools definitely do.
They just announced recently that public universities might not be offering free tuition to expat students soon.
we have homework but it's not usually graded. It's looked over to make sure u did it. It's awhile since I was in primary/middle school. but I can remember we got our homework on monday for the whole week. our homework would be a part of a different grade which is your behaviour and organisation skills.
The focus about no homework is because not all adults can help theyre kids with homework. So if most of kids gets help in school there will be less difrences between how theyre parents help them. We also have a time after school where kids can job with school work and theres teachers there to help kids after school.
Watching this as a Norwegian, although many facts in this video might be true, i feel the need to address some missing information.
1. There is homework from 3rd grade and up. While there might be homework, it is true that it is limited and can be finished during normal classes as you are given free time to finish during your time spent at school.
2. While it is true that we start learning new languages during 8th grade, this is actually a 3rd language. We start learning our second language (English) at the age of 10. English is taught every year from grade 4 until grade 13, while our 3rd language is taught from grade 8 to grade 12/13 depending on your choice.
3. Most high schools and middle schools have the same curriculum; however, some schools are more popular as they tailor to specific courses and/or require a higher grade to join the schools.
4. They failed to address that students in Norway are ALL given scholarships by the government to attend college or university. This is actually true for all Scandinavian countries. In Denmark they even pay their students to study.
5. While you are given the option to drop out after tenth grade, this option was actually made to give student time to think of what type of specification they want to attend at high school. These specifications include, but is not limited to, electrician, carpenter, mechanics, academic, economics, etc.
The system might be great, but it is not as perfect as this video presents it to be.
My class studied the stock marked and finance when we where learning about our Oil fund in midle school!
In Elementary school between (1-3) grade,
we made a pretendstore useing laminated fake money and empty boxes that parents would bring insted of throwing them.
awesome recycling and we got to play and have fun while learning math and how to make a budget without beeing aware of it, it was amazing!!
Specialy as one who had to go trough school with Adhd,
i dont even whant to think on how rough it would have been to learn without those fun creative teaching methods.
Agreed, I also remember back in the days that we also used fake money to learn about simple maths.
Btw, elementary (barneskole / grunnskole) is 1-7, but mellomtrinn / middle school is 5-7, the term is rarely used.
@@Carlium middle school is not 5 - 7. middle school is (ungdomskole)
also known as intermediate school, junior high school, junior secondary school, or lower secondary school
@@ReindeerRhythmRoom
fair enough. ^^'
(never really liked the English language tbh)
So fun to see. Thank you for all the Nice tings you show from and say about Norway. I am so happy to live in my beautiful Norway.( I am sorry to say that we actually do have homework here. More every year. It is actually Finland thar has No homework. )
I went to a private school back in the 80s, so it wasnt illegal. However, how much money they could charge was capped, meaning the only private schools where places where someone believed in doing things differently, not making big bucks. In fact, I believe my parents didnt pay anything, as they believed in the Steiner school model and where working class, so they had lowered or removed contribution. I believe the reform made it possible to make money of schools, but because higher eduction is seen as pretty good and free, trying to make a higher level education that can compete with that and the relative high teacher pay is hard.