Simply professional grade!! Thank you for making this!!! I hope the 6.8 grows. Sincerely believe the BS over the published 7mm PRC muzzle velocities are real with many hunters with chronographs.
Another entertaining and educational video. I’ve been shooting 270 Winchester for almost 51 of my 71 years. All in my 1974 Ruger 77R with the 22” barrel. Acquired several other rifles over the years in a wide variety of bullet diameters and cartridges but the 270 has been my usual go to rifle. Where I live in central Kansas on my farm I can have shots at 50 yards in creek bottom timber or 400 yards across a soybean field. I will not take a shot that far. I’m not that desperate. Mostly Whitetails, but occasionally we have few Mule Deer wander this far east. I have to go to western Kansas for Pronghorn and possibly Elk. In my reading over the years it was always said that the 130 grain 270 was slowed down because of complaints that it did a lot of meat damage even at longer ranges. I have never used the 130. Always the 150 at around 2850 fps with the medium charge of H4831 according to my favorite old Speer #9 manual. Consistently shoots under 1” at 100 yards. I only remember shooting a couple of deer at a little over 300 yards. Usually not over 200. Some years I got several deer, others none. We have big pastures with canyons in the Smoky Hills that you can shoot across but I never tried those kinds of shots. I tried to get closer. I just checked on ammo at Midway USA. They have 1 Winchester load in 6.8 Western, a few in 277 Fury, 2 in 270WSM, 1 Weatherby 270, 1 Nosler and 46 varieties of 270 Winchester available. Grafs has 2 in 6.8 Western, 7 in 6.8 Remington S.P.C., 1 270 WSM, 1 270 Weatherby, 48 270 Winchester. These I’ve listed are all available now, not out of stock, back ordered or coming soon. I’m surprised there weren’t more 270 WSM available as popular as it’s reported to be. For comparison Grafs has 37 varieties of 7mm Remington Magnum, Midway has 26 in 7 REM mag. Neither of my usual sources has 7 PRC ammunition. I have the newest Hornady, Nosler and Speer reloading manuals. Only the Nosler has data for the 27 Nosler. Imagine that!😂 None have data for 6.8 Western or 7 PRC. It appears to me that whether you hand load or strictly use factory ammunition AND you want to shoot something that is better (and that’s a matter of opinion) you might as well step up to good old 7mm Remington Magnum. From what I have read, it sounds like 7 PRC isn’t really that much better than 7 Rem Mag. I haven’t seen anything on paper with apples to apples comparison. Equal bullet weights in equal length barrels. I think the 270 Winchester, 270 Weatherby Magnum and the 270 WSM will be around for a long time. The other new whizz bangs will be relegated to the scrap heap within a generation. Couple of last thing in my sermon. The only Weatherby cartridges I would really like to have are 270 and 257. The 270 was his first and it has been written that the 257 was his favorite. It is with geographic home town pride that I live just a few miles from where Roy Weatherby grew up. I have know several of his contemporaries including one gentleman from our church who has regaled me with stories about there adventures growing up together. Sadly all those folks are gone now. I realize that at least some of Roy’s theories about hydrostatic shock have been debunked but I figure I should have a couple of samples of his creations. Oh yeah, of the 11 Grizzly Bears Jack O’Connor killed, 2 were with the 270 Winchester. Among the others were 30-06 and 300 Weatherby Magnum. He and Roy were friends. Happy hunting boys and girls!😊
Glad you enjoyed the video. Thanks for your comment! For what it's worth, I did a comparison of the 7mm PRC vs 7mm Rem Mag vs 28 Nosler here if you'd like to check it out: th-cam.com/video/7W_gUT31k6A/w-d-xo.html I think the 7mm PRC is better than the 7mm Rem Mag. Night and day different? No. How much better? That's more of a value judgement....
I thought the Hornady PRC’s were hype, too. Then my son and grandson bought a couple in 7mm, and I set them up. One was a Savage 110, the other was a Mossberg. Both shot sub minute with the same box of factory ammo. I think that all the stuff Hornady has learned from competition has been incorporated in the Saami spec. Fast twist, tighter throat, proper leade, good case design. Remington got the case design pretty good, but these new enhancements are, I think, enough of an improvement to survive.
Very interesting! That would be very unusual performance out of a rifle at the Mossberg Patriot's price point just 10 years ago. Now we're hearing more and more stories like yours
@@ThebiggamehuntingblogHey John, I went back and found that I had already watched the battle of the big 7’s video. Forgetful in my old age. Consensus of the comments seem to be no practical difference between 7 Rem Mag and 7 PRC. If I had a 7 Rem Mag I’d stick with it. My only 7 is a 7x57 custom built on an early small ring ‘98 Mauser. Strictly a hand loader special. I’m in Kevin “Doctari” Robertson’s camp. Remember what he said in your interview with him about cartridges for Africa Hunting? Heavier bullets at medium velocities. The 7x57 with either the 175 grain Long Range Accubond or Partition at around 2550-2600 fps, sighted dead on at 250 yards shoots flat enough and still has enough energy even out to 400 yards for Elk. With a plain old fashioned reticle scope (no fancy dials) you can hold dead on out to around 325 yards and maybe hold up a little out to 400. That’s still farther than most folks can consistently keep their shots in the kill zone under real world hunting conditions. It’s like Dr. Robertson says, the 7x57 just works!
western seems like a great calibre but lack of rifle and load options and almost little support from relaoding companies making brass dies and similar makes it impossible to think of.
Great video! Nice chronological history of these cartridges. I really like the .277 bore and have (2) 270 Winchesters, a 270 WSM and a 6.8 Western. I like all of them! No doubt the 6.8 Western is the heavy hitter of the three. I hope it gets better received going forward.
if there are better load options, rifles, and reloading equipment and options for brass and bullets. So little support from the industry or options for decent components and rifles other than the limited ones released initially
wont get received well until decent rifles ,loads , ammunition and reloading gear is supported by the industry.currently sub par frifles and ammunition and struggle to find stuff to be able to reload pathetic
270W was quite popular in my homecountry Sweden after the war but loaded only with quick expanding softpoints by Norma that meant that it could not compete with 6.5x55 loaded with 156 grain bullets for moose . Today it has made a bit of a comback as a rifle used for driven game because with the rigth bullets it has what is needed for wild bore in diffrence for 6.5x55. It is also easier to shut at running game with a caliber with higher velocity. Natuarly "Wildbore feaver" have also helped.
I inherited a Winchester pre-64 in the 270 Winchester area 5 boxes of Winchester super x Silver tips 130 gr. This combo has essentially explosive power. In Utah in 1960 my Uncle hit a 210 mule deer in blew a hole that you could get your fist in, literally.
Dont get caught up in the hype of these new cartridge calibers, its nothing that hasnt already been done, 270 winchester loaded properly is basically a magnum
I like your detailed videos! I'm one of those new fans of the 6.8 Western cartridge. It's just amazing in terms of accuracy and energy--and the recoil doesn't bother me.
170gr Berger @2905, at 62000psi using my standard 270win Blaser R8 now with a 1.8twist.. Took a USA made barrel by J.Sip & Sons to do it..After 35years I still love the 270win. Fast twist rates open up huge improvements for long range target and hunting
if you have a classic old rifle then rebarrelling with a modern twist makes so much sense much cheaper than even dropping a grand on an OK quality rifle in some whizz bang calibre then get ripped off on ammunition costs. Set up the old girl with the backfire pad and decent scope and suppressor and enjoy.
If I remember correctly, there is an article put there I read many, many years ago as a kid. The article said that they backed off the load due to hunters saying that they were blowing up deer, making big holes, and blowing up meat of deer, which they complained wasted too much meat of deer.
I love the .277 projectile. I have the 6.8 SPC II in my AR-15. The 270 Win, and now the 6.8 Western. I own many different rifles and caliber for hunting, but the 6.8 Western has passed them all. What a terrific cartridge!! It hits hard, has terrific energy at longer ranges, and it’s very accurate. I have a Christiansen Arms Ridgline FFT with a 20” barrel. I’m only losing around 60 ft per sec off the listed box velocities with that 20” barrel. So it’s a very efficient cartridge out of a shorter barrel. I chose the short barrel for adding a suppressor in order to protect my hearing. Due to the short action, my rifle only weighs 5.3 lbs out of the box. If you’re hunting in the mountains or steep canyons like I do, every pound makes a difference. It’s the perfect setup for those toes of hunts.
Really enjoying these caliber history lessons. Not really interested in the 270 but really enjoyed the video. Already watched the 30cal video and looking forward to more of this kind of content.
Finished my chores and now having a cup of coffee and watching this awesome movie lol...thanks for the video...btw I hunt with a 270wsm here in Canada for moose and successfully using 160 gained partitions 😀😀😀😀👍
A Sako AV in .270 Winchester was my first hunting rifle given to me by my dad back in the day. It's still a dandy. I took at least a few pronghorn with that one. I now have another .270 caliber rifle that is a new favorite, a scoped
The m1 garand was originally designed for the 270 pederson cartridge and was changed to the 30-06 at the final design stages. There seems to be a sweet spot of cartridge size to bore diameter that is ideal. Some things to think about
I'm only aware of the following SAAMI certified .270 caliber cartridges: 270 Winchester, 270 Weatherby, 270 WSM, 6.8 SPC, .277 Sig Fury, 27 Nosler, and 6.8 Western. What do you think I missed?
Its totally my bad, i looked back and the 270 ren was a wilcat. Hornady use to have it in there old reloading manuals, but it wasn't saami approved. It was chambered in thompson center pistols. Sorry about that.
All good! The family of cartridges starts to open up quite a bit if we throw in wildcats. Can you tell us more about the 270 Ren? My understanding is that it's a 22 Hornet necked up to 270 caliber?
Yes it uses the hornet case, it was used in metallic silhouette pistol matches. Straight wall cartridges only, the hornet expanded to 270 was considered a straight wall. T/C made barrels for it, and hornady developed loading data for it. Distances out to 200m. We used 357 maximum alot
The 6.8Western is basically the 7RSAUM case with just the slightest of modifications so not to infringe on their design patent: hence I use the RSAUM-brass for my 6.8Western!
Options built on the 277 fury could be great options along with other calibres around 7mm, restricting to just 270 removes so many great versatile options around this from 6.5 PRC smaller to 26 Nosler which is ridiculously expensive and short barrel life yes. few options in rifles for so many of those rare calibres and expensive too as for the western few rifles, ammunition options or reloading gear to load your self hardly an option for many.
The only development of cartridges come from Europe and the USA, with a few exceptions from Asia for the world wars. No design from Africa. Same for other technologies.
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Simply professional grade!! Thank you for making this!!! I hope the 6.8 grows. Sincerely believe the BS over the published 7mm PRC muzzle velocities are real with many hunters with chronographs.
Glad you liked it!
Another entertaining and educational video. I’ve been shooting 270 Winchester for almost 51 of my 71 years. All in my 1974 Ruger 77R with the 22” barrel. Acquired several other rifles over the years in a wide variety of bullet diameters and cartridges but the 270 has been my usual go to rifle. Where I live in central Kansas on my farm I can have shots at 50 yards in creek bottom timber or 400 yards across a soybean field. I will not take a shot that far. I’m not that desperate. Mostly Whitetails, but occasionally we have few Mule Deer wander this far east. I have to go to western Kansas for Pronghorn and possibly Elk.
In my reading over the years it was always said that the 130 grain 270 was slowed down because of complaints that it did a lot of meat damage even at longer ranges. I have never used the 130. Always the 150 at around 2850 fps with the medium charge of H4831 according to my favorite old Speer #9 manual. Consistently shoots under 1” at 100 yards. I only remember shooting a couple of deer at a little over 300 yards. Usually not over 200. Some years I got several deer, others none. We have big pastures with canyons in the Smoky Hills that you can shoot across but I never tried those kinds of shots. I tried to get closer.
I just checked on ammo at Midway USA. They have 1 Winchester load in 6.8 Western, a few in 277 Fury, 2 in 270WSM, 1 Weatherby 270, 1 Nosler and 46 varieties of 270 Winchester available. Grafs has 2 in 6.8 Western, 7 in 6.8 Remington S.P.C., 1 270 WSM, 1 270 Weatherby, 48 270 Winchester. These I’ve listed are all available now, not out of stock, back ordered or coming soon. I’m surprised there weren’t more 270 WSM available as popular as it’s reported to be. For comparison Grafs has 37 varieties of 7mm Remington Magnum, Midway has 26 in 7 REM mag. Neither of my usual sources has 7 PRC ammunition.
I have the newest Hornady, Nosler and Speer reloading manuals. Only the Nosler has data for the 27 Nosler. Imagine that!😂 None have data for 6.8 Western or 7 PRC. It appears to me that whether you hand load or strictly use factory ammunition AND you want to shoot something that is better (and that’s a matter of opinion) you might as well step up to good old 7mm Remington Magnum. From what I have read, it sounds like 7 PRC isn’t really that much better than 7 Rem Mag. I haven’t seen anything on paper with apples to apples comparison. Equal bullet weights in equal length barrels. I think the 270 Winchester, 270 Weatherby Magnum and the 270 WSM will be around for a long time. The other new whizz bangs will be relegated to the scrap heap within a generation.
Couple of last thing in my sermon. The only Weatherby cartridges I would really like to have are 270 and 257. The 270 was his first and it has been written that the 257 was his favorite. It is with geographic home town pride that I live just a few miles from where Roy Weatherby grew up. I have know several of his contemporaries including one gentleman from our church who has regaled me with stories about there adventures growing up together. Sadly all those folks are gone now. I realize that at least some of Roy’s theories about hydrostatic shock have been debunked but I figure I should have a couple of samples of his creations. Oh yeah, of the 11 Grizzly Bears Jack O’Connor killed, 2 were with the 270 Winchester. Among the others were 30-06 and 300 Weatherby Magnum. He and Roy were friends. Happy hunting boys and girls!😊
Glad you enjoyed the video. Thanks for your comment! For what it's worth, I did a comparison of the 7mm PRC vs 7mm Rem Mag vs 28 Nosler here if you'd like to check it out: th-cam.com/video/7W_gUT31k6A/w-d-xo.html
I think the 7mm PRC is better than the 7mm Rem Mag. Night and day different? No. How much better? That's more of a value judgement....
I thought the Hornady PRC’s were hype, too. Then my son and grandson bought a couple in 7mm, and I set them up.
One was a Savage 110, the other was a Mossberg.
Both shot sub minute with the same box of factory ammo.
I think that all the stuff Hornady has learned from competition has been incorporated in the Saami spec. Fast twist, tighter throat, proper leade, good case design.
Remington got the case design pretty good, but these new enhancements are, I think, enough of an improvement to survive.
Very interesting! That would be very unusual performance out of a rifle at the Mossberg Patriot's price point just 10 years ago. Now we're hearing more and more stories like yours
@@ThebiggamehuntingblogHey John, I went back and found that I had already watched the battle of the big 7’s video. Forgetful in my old age. Consensus of the comments seem to be no practical difference between 7 Rem Mag and 7 PRC. If I had a 7 Rem Mag I’d stick with it. My only 7 is a 7x57 custom built on an early small ring ‘98 Mauser. Strictly a hand loader special. I’m in Kevin “Doctari” Robertson’s camp. Remember what he said in your interview with him about cartridges for Africa Hunting? Heavier bullets at medium velocities. The 7x57 with either the 175 grain Long Range Accubond or Partition at around 2550-2600 fps, sighted dead on at 250 yards shoots flat enough and still has enough energy even out to 400 yards for Elk. With a plain old fashioned reticle scope (no fancy dials) you can hold dead on out to around 325 yards and maybe hold up a little out to 400. That’s still farther than most folks can consistently keep their shots in the kill zone under real world hunting conditions. It’s like Dr. Robertson says, the 7x57 just works!
western seems like a great calibre but lack of rifle and load options and almost little support from relaoding companies making brass dies and similar makes it impossible to think of.
Great video! Nice chronological history of these cartridges. I really like the .277 bore and have (2) 270 Winchesters, a 270 WSM and a 6.8 Western. I like all of them! No doubt the 6.8 Western is the heavy hitter of the three. I hope it gets better received going forward.
Glad you enjoyed it! What all have you successfully taken with your 270s and 6.8?
if there are better load options, rifles, and reloading equipment and options for brass and bullets. So little support from the industry or options for decent components and rifles other than the limited ones released initially
wont get received well until decent rifles ,loads , ammunition and reloading gear is supported by the industry.currently sub par frifles and ammunition and struggle to find stuff to be able to reload pathetic
I love the old, reliable 270 win. It's still right there with all the new cartridges and soon will be 100 years old .
270W was quite popular in my homecountry Sweden after the war but loaded only with quick expanding softpoints by Norma that meant that it could not compete with 6.5x55 loaded with 156 grain bullets for moose .
Today it has made a bit of a comback as a rifle used for driven game because with the rigth bullets it has what is needed for wild bore in diffrence for 6.5x55.
It is also easier to shut at running game with a caliber with higher velocity.
Natuarly "Wildbore feaver" have also helped.
I inherited a Winchester pre-64 in the 270 Winchester area 5 boxes of Winchester super x Silver tips 130 gr. This combo has essentially explosive power. In Utah in 1960 my Uncle hit a 210 mule deer in blew a hole that you could get your fist in, literally.
First one making a coment😂.
.. 270win was my first rifle caliber.
Outstanding results!!! Love my Voere. 270win.
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Weatherby 270???? Really good video. I do think the old 270 win is best. But the 270 weatherby is unreal. I like 4831sc 57.5 gr hammer bullets 117 gr.
Thanks, glad you enjoyed the video!
270 win is kinda magnum cartridge, I went with 6.8 western
Dont get caught up in the hype of these new cartridge calibers, its nothing that hasnt already been done, 270 winchester loaded properly is basically a magnum
You do you sir! Nothing wrong with the old 270!
I like your detailed videos! I'm one of those new fans of the 6.8 Western cartridge. It's just amazing in terms of accuracy and energy--and the recoil doesn't bother me.
Glad you like them!
170gr Berger @2905, at 62000psi using my standard 270win Blaser R8 now with a 1.8twist.. Took a USA made barrel by J.Sip & Sons to do it..After 35years I still love the 270win. Fast twist rates open up huge improvements for long range target and hunting
Right on!
if you have a classic old rifle then rebarrelling with a modern twist makes so much sense much cheaper than even dropping a grand on an OK quality rifle in some whizz bang calibre then get ripped off on ammunition costs. Set up the old girl with the backfire pad and decent scope and suppressor and enjoy.
If I remember correctly, there is an article put there I read many, many years ago as a kid. The article said that they backed off the load due to hunters saying that they were blowing up deer, making big holes, and blowing up meat of deer, which they complained wasted too much meat of deer.
Fair enough, thanks!
This is 100% correct
I love the .277 projectile. I have the 6.8 SPC II in my AR-15. The 270 Win, and now the 6.8 Western. I own many different rifles and caliber for hunting, but the 6.8 Western has passed them all. What a terrific cartridge!! It hits hard, has terrific energy at longer ranges, and it’s very accurate. I have a Christiansen Arms Ridgline FFT with a 20” barrel. I’m only losing around 60 ft per sec off the listed box velocities with that 20” barrel. So it’s a very efficient cartridge out of a shorter barrel. I chose the short barrel for adding a suppressor in order to protect my hearing.
Due to the short action, my rifle only weighs 5.3 lbs out of the box. If you’re hunting in the mountains or steep canyons like I do, every pound makes a difference. It’s the perfect setup for those toes of hunts.
Really enjoying these caliber history lessons. Not really interested in the 270 but really enjoyed the video. Already watched the 30cal video and looking forward to more of this kind of content.
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for the feedback!
Finished my chores and now having a cup of coffee and watching this awesome movie lol...thanks for the video...btw I hunt with a 270wsm here in Canada for moose and successfully using 160 gained partitions 😀😀😀😀👍
Glad you enjoyed it! I'll bet the 160gr Partition hits like a sledgehammer out of a 270 WSM! What all have you taken with it?
@Thebiggamehuntingblog hits like a train...moose, deer and black bears
@@Thebiggamehuntingblog I forgot to mention that it's in winchester mode 70😀😀😀
Did someone make factory loads with those 160gr Partitions at some point? Or were you hand loading?
@Thebiggamehuntingblog reloading them and they stabilize with no problem
Great editorial on the fine 270 cartridges. Awesome job
Thanks!
Excellent Video. Thank you for putting it together.
Glad you enjoyed it!
You do such a good job at presenting factual information. I appreciate your quality videos. Thank you.
Excellent. I really appreciate your support and your comment!
A Sako AV in .270 Winchester was my first hunting rifle given to me by my dad back in the day. It's still a dandy. I took at least a few pronghorn with that one.
I now have another .270 caliber rifle that is a new favorite, a scoped
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The m1 garand was originally designed for the 270 pederson cartridge and was changed to the 30-06 at the final design stages. There seems to be a sweet spot of cartridge size to bore diameter that is ideal. Some things to think about
I've got several 6.8 SPC rifles. Fantastic cartridge.
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Thanks!
276 Pedersen
Talk about a trip down memory lane with that one! As weird as it sounds though, the 276 Pedersen actually shot a .284" bullet.
Thank you for the reminder, and these great videos!
You missed one American 270 cartridge. I'll let you guess witch one!
I'm only aware of the following SAAMI certified .270 caliber cartridges: 270 Winchester, 270 Weatherby, 270 WSM, 6.8 SPC, .277 Sig Fury, 27 Nosler, and 6.8 Western. What do you think I missed?
Its totally my bad, i looked back and the 270 ren was a wilcat. Hornady use to have it in there old reloading manuals, but it wasn't saami approved. It was chambered in thompson center pistols. Sorry about that.
All good! The family of cartridges starts to open up quite a bit if we throw in wildcats. Can you tell us more about the 270 Ren? My understanding is that it's a 22 Hornet necked up to 270 caliber?
Yes it uses the hornet case, it was used in metallic silhouette pistol matches. Straight wall cartridges only, the hornet expanded to 270 was considered a straight wall. T/C made barrels for it, and hornady developed loading data for it. Distances out to 200m. We used 357 maximum alot
Awesome! What were typical bullet weights/velocities for the 270 REN?
Surprised the .270 SAUM, which people saying it was more efficient, didn't go anywhere.
The 6.8Western is basically the 7RSAUM case with just the slightest of modifications so not to infringe on their design patent: hence I use the RSAUM-brass for my 6.8Western!
Options built on the 277 fury could be great options along with other calibres around 7mm, restricting to just 270 removes so many great versatile options around this from 6.5 PRC smaller to 26 Nosler which is ridiculously expensive and short barrel life yes. few options in rifles for so many of those rare calibres and expensive too as for the western few rifles, ammunition options or reloading gear to load your self hardly an option for many.
6.8X57MM MAUSER CHINESE WAS FIRST !!!!!
Tell me you didn't actually watch the video without saying you didn't watch the video...
The only development of cartridges come from Europe and the USA, with a few exceptions from Asia for the world wars. No design from Africa. Same for other technologies.
and like I said, all these 270 caliber cartridges came from the USA, in contrast to the 6.5s, 7s, and even a few 30s that came from Europe