It's not exactly a mystery, but I'd love to know what actually happened on M/S Estonia ferry. I was ~17 when it went down and since I'm a Finn, it was quite close to us. I had even been onboard back when it was the Viking Sally and again as Silja Star.
I’ve switched from true crime to stories about boats going missing in the ocean so in my head it’s like “the sails were cut off, the anchor was cut off, the rudder was cutoff”
Well, it's more that most of them aren't famous. Ships lost at sea.... well... in the old days? "sending a distress call" didn't happen on the high seas.
There are probably a lot more unexplained losses. Before radio, if a ship didn't arrive it was literally just considered lost at sea. I don't know if they sent out search vessels either because of the potential to lose them too.
There are. Back then every time a ship lost it vanished if no one stumbled across it by chance. Also peacetime shipwrecks were much more common in the pre wireless period as ships were smaller and weaker. Now it takes the perfect storm(pun intended) for ships to sink at all never mind without a trace.
Yes oceans are massive but shipping routes usually give a good hint. Plus with an increase in sonar technology and how massive these ships are, it usually only takes some time to find something. They can even change the magnetic fields sometimes giving further clues to their location.
That a huge vessel with 458 people on board could simply vanish without trace is truly horrific! Whilst the 458 people on board knew what befell their ship, none lived to share their tale of horror. Suffice to say that they died terrible deaths, trapped in the sinking, flooding vessel with no hope of escape or rescue. Crossing the Atlantic Ocean was a high risk affair...
@@Rase-iwnl- the Nephilim are extinct lol. The grey's don't live in the Hollow Earth, they're just biological drones, basically they're grown in their ships which are shot off into space much like how we shoot probes into space. Sad thing is their planet is probably long dead now and all that's left is the drones
The first one is especially disturbing because the crew was probably swamped before they had a chance to make it above deck. They probably woke up in darkness and drowned without time to comprehend what happened, just terror and confusion. I'd like to know even if it meant dying a little slower.
It's kind of like if, before radio, when you went sailing you were like Schrodinger's cat. Theoretically both alive and dead. No one knew for sure until you either showed up at port or didn't. They ought to contact those firms that send submersibles out to search. It'd be really cool to find a lot of these old shipwrecks.
Everytime I think of a Ocean Liner going missing, I always think of the fictional Italian Ocean liner Antonia Graza (based on the Andrea Doria) from the movie Ghost Ship. The thought of a liner crossing the North Atlantic with over a thousand people on board disappearing without a trace then being found floating and derelict by a salvage team in the Bering Strait decades later without any sign of what happened is haunting
@@sorrenblitz805 There's nothing weird about that one. Nobody died and if any of the people that found it later had been a bit more equipped or luckier with the weather it would have plied the sea lanes again.
As a note: the rule about operators not being allowed to repair their equipment existed as a way for Marconi to protect his patents and stave off competition. Early electric companies did something similar, they actually owned the lightbulbs installed in private homes and when one died they would send someone out to replace it. Having developed and promoted the technology they wanted to be able to keep profiting off it without having to constantly ward off imitators. In the case of the wireless operators the downside of this was that they were employees of the Marconi company rather than members of the ship’s crew, so they weren’t really integrated into the command structure
This is interesting. I cant quite put my finger on the name of the country, but, I have heard that in one country you have to have a qualified electrician change your light bulbs in your house. I am open to correction but I seem to remember that it us somewhere in Australasia. 🤔 Imagine that. Crazy. It takes the joke about how many people it would take to change a lightbulb to another level. No blondes involved. This is genuine.
@@chendaforest It's probably a real law, just no longer enforced. The U.S. had literally thousands of such laws at the federal level alone. Things like offending horses and calling 6" cherry pies "cherry tarts." You'd be surprised the laws that existed "back in the day."
Some of these comments….even if BOB did “steal” Mike’s idea, he talked about 3 different ships, none of which I had heard of. But just looking at the production values of this video it’s obvious that this wasn’t made in 2 days. It’s just a coincidence.
Those comments are almost as funny as the "OMG you're so dumb the Titanic isn't a mystery" comments from geniuses who couldn't be bothered to watch more than the first 30 seconds of the video.
In the days before watertight compartmentation, a major breach in the hull from collision, whether with an iceberg or another ship, meant foundering in pretty short order. If you were in the middle of the ocean, out of sight from any other vessel and no time to even launch distress rockets, you were flat out of luck.
A theory about the SS Pacific that was put forward by a patent lawyer named Dickerson was that its engines raced out of control, self destructing, due to a fault in the design of the valve gear, and that this caused the loss of the ship. However, Dickerson was not an engineer (though he claimed to be many times, and made much money off of these claims) and had a vested interest in disparaging engines which infringed or bypassed the patents of his clients.
While he may not have been an engineer, Dickerson's theory of the _Pacific's_ engines suffering a catastrophic failure is a pretty plausible theory, though it was ultimately disproven by the William Graham message. It was also speculated that the SS _Naronic_ had suffered such a malfunction, which was proposed by the captain of the SS _Runic._ While the four _Naronic_ bottles can't be easily confirmed, the location of where the ship's lifeboats were found, the ways crew lists were kept in those times, and other specific details make them seem too elaborate to be fakes.
We hear about the Titanic so often, yet few people can be aware of the Republic’s sinking, and even fewer of its significance to the Titanic’s designers. That’s an amazing story and brilliantly told. It deserves a million views! Thanks very much.
Another great video. Reminded me of another passenger liner mystery that you could do in the future. The Adelaide Steamship Company's SS Koombana disappeared during a cyclone of the coast of Western Australia in 1912 and has never been found. It was a fate shared by another ASC ship, the SS Yongala in 1911, which wasn't found until 1958.
Others commenting that BOB stole the idea from Oceanliner Designs but Mike Brady talked about SS Naronic, MS Hans Hedtoft, SS Waratah, and Collins Line Pacific. BOB talked about SS Lord Spencer, SS City of Glasgow, and SS City of Boston. Both Big Old Boats and Oceanliner Designs talked about the Collins Line ship Pacific. It would be called stealing if BOB even used Oceanliner Designs' animations without giving him any credit.
I personally feel like it has something to do with the algorithm and the information that they both have available to them. There's probably something that tells them both that their viewers want something like this.
Even when in constant radio contact, large ships can suddenly cease to exist with no explanation, pretty common in the Great Lakes. The WW2 German Kriegsmarine's U-boats , though outside the scope of this channel, definitely hold the record for "assumed lost with all hands but we don't know exactly when, where, or who killed them."
One the most baffling Great Lakes stories that people still disagree about this day has to be the Edmund Fitzgenerald. One moment the ship is in radio contact and as the captain said "We are holding our own", next moment she's just gone. Official reports claims it was hatch covers, Anderson's captain thinks she may of touch bottom (ifI remember right), others think it was rouge waves in the storm, even heard theories she broke apart then sank. Some say the design of the ship was faulty, others say she was in bad shape in need of serious repairs, etc. It's pretty wild. It's crazy because that's not even a lost ship, her wreck has been found. Yet we still don't know what actually happened to it. All anybody got is theories.
@@justinlynch3 I think she probably struck bottom on the 6 fathom shoal, which according to her past crews wasn’t out of the ordinary. This could have opened up a gash in her hull, leading to rapid flooding. The captain and crew possibly not realizing how bad the damage was, didn’t report it in time. As for her breaking her back, if she had major flooding in her forward compartments when she crested a wave and sagged the huge weight difference between the fore and aft sections could have broken her keel. Either way most people agree that she split up on the surface. Power to her radios and sensors would have been severed by this, resulting in an abrupt loss of communication. The only thing we know for certain is that whatever happened to the Fitz happened fast.
@@xcc9162 The sinking of the Cyclops is much the same. It's a mystery... because the wreck was never found, and it had a working radio... but never sent a mayday. Well... when you're in a storm in the ocean... the radio might get damaged by the storm. And sinking on the high seas... good luck finding the wreck. Titanic's location wasn't the real issue, it was DEPTH, if it had been shallower waters it'd have been easy. We just don't know the location of the Cyclops accurately enough.
@@justinlynch3 IMO, probably a little bit of everything. Last voyage before a serious refit so not in the best shape, shoaling putting a small hole in the bottom, a bit leaky from the top as well bc leaky hatch covers, cargo shifted due to the water from those causing a bit of a list, then a big wave from a bad angle turned the list into a capsizing/breaking her back.
The SS City of New York and City of Paris were beautiful ships in 1889. I've seen some beautiful color paintings of the SS New York (as it was later renamed, and was the ship that almost collided with the Titanic as she was leaving port) and they're breathtaking with her long bowsprit.
Interesting that people had to consider the possibility of trolls even back before the internet. But in the form of messages in bottles. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
Having a rule that you can't repair the only means of calling for help while at sea is one of those things that is just so phenomenally stupid its amazing that anyone actually thought it was a good idea. Right up there with not having enough life boats for all on board.
Cool that you and Oceanliner Designs were working on similar videos at the same time. Happened to 2 of the Aviation Disasters channels one time a while back too. TH-cam must be telling you what we like to see.
On top of it gaining a reputation similar to MH370 over a century later (perhaps the airplane becomes known as "The Titanic of the skies"?), I'm sure James Cameron, Leo DiCaprio, and Kate Winslet would've had one less big hitter on their resume.
@@zainmudassir2964 There wouldn't have been any conspiracy theories. History is not kind to tragedies without survivors to tell about it. Most people don't know about the five ships in this video.
I absolutely love these documentaries, thanks for presenting. I especially love that era of ships that had both sail and steam power. Also, I really like the paintings of ships In the midst of heavy seas ; one can almost feel the struggle of the vessel portrayed; I love ship art.
Fascinating stories; how tragic was the loss of such beautiful ships, and all on board? Just a thought, particularly the one which may have been lost in a winter storm. My late father was a navy gunner, sailing on Arctic Ocean patrols out of Scapa Flow. He said that in very bad weather they had to go round the ship with steam hoses, clearing it of ice otherwise it would grow top heavy, turn over and sink. Could the same thing have happened with any of these?
White Star's "Germanic" was sunk that way in February 1899: fortunately not at sea, but alongside a New York pier (while loading supplies of coal for her next voyage). And without turning over. When the weather thawed she was pumped out, refloated and repaired to continue a long and interesting career.
Please pardon the length. This is the story of when Aaron Burr's daughter, Theodosia, was lost at sea. In 1812, when her husband had been elected Governor of South Carolina, her only child, a sturdy boy of eleven died, and Theodosia's health was shattered by her sorrow. In the same year Burr returned from a sojourn in Europe, and his loving daughter embarked from Charleston on a schooner, the Patriot, to meet her father in New York. When Burr, who was left a widower after a long and happy marriage, arrived, he was met by a letter which told him that his grandson was dead and that Theodosia was coming to him. Weeks sped by, and no news was heard of the ill-fated Patriot. At last it became evident that she must have gone down or in some other way have been lost. Burr and Governor Allston wrote to each other letter after letter, of which each one seems to surpass the agony of the other. At last all hope was given up. Governor Allston died soon after of a broken heart.
Been casually studying everything I could find on the R.M.S. TITANIC and unless I got the memory of a gnat, I've never heard about the Marconi system needing repairs or nor working. Learnm something new every day
I so enjoy your stories and the way you express them to your listeners. As child, my favorite story and poem has always been the wreck of the Hesperus. You describe as Longfellow did a story that sticks with you. You have the gift of gab.
I was on the wreck of the Celebrity Xpedition in November 2019. And NO it didn't hit a sandbar, the water was 400 feet deep. We were 1/4 miIe off of Isabella when the engine quit. The boat drifted into the rocks when we were on a zodiac cruise..... Celebrity cruise line treated us VERY well, I highly recommend this group. And it is kind of cool to say that I have something in common with Titanic survivors.
In that "not really" kind of way. I'd leave off that last sentence next time I told that story; it doesn't make you look terribly good. The survivors of the _Titanic_ were haunted by the massive loss of life on that night. Nobody died when the _Celebrity Xpedition_ ran aground.
That fact about the Titanic's wireless is really interesting, and presumably not well known....how different history might have been had the wireless operators followed policy and not tried to repair the wireless themselves!
it's interesting how often wretched disasters turn out to be an excuse for insurance scams! even the last merrie celeste run that ended up hitting a reef was like that!
Excellent. I cant help but wonder if any of these have been discovered by later oil and gas surveys or ocean floor explorations. There are some already spotted on sonar, but still remain unidentified.
I can't help but notice how many of these incidents all state the same issue: heavier than normal icebergs for the season. I can only conclude that the most likely fate of these ships certainly involves such sea ice. The ships must have been steaming too fast for conditions, and been kidnapped and eaten by malicious icebergs hellbent on the taste of human blood!
There is an event thatas I understand it, has not happened since 1912. Over a century without any known occurrence. That is a ship colliding with an iceberg. The reason for that is the Titanic. After its sinking, it was made mandatory for all vessels traversing the North Atlantic in peacetime (wartime was likely different) to use a more southerly route to better avoid icebergs. Also, the International Ice Patrol was set up. Shame it took the sinking of the Titanic and the massive loss of life to bring those standards in.
I think it goes without saying that way more ships have just straight-up vanished than one could imagine. If you think about the history of ocean-going vessels, thousands of years, how many old ships went out and were never seen again? The ocean doesn't mess around.
Glad to see you darkness looking forward to your jensen video. Ps.Missing ships were often in the days of 0-1800 ad and still were though in decline during the 19th century after increases in safety and wireless then the chances of a ship going missing(small to medium) is next to nil.
Look I know this isn’t related to the content, exactly, but I love the guitar you have playing in the background. I love the dissonant chords, not so loud we can’t hear you tho. Great work.
The climate and seascape has changed so much over the past 100 years! Icebergs here, there, everywhere. I’ve cruised to Alaska. The ice in the waters were more like… “ice chunks.” The only substantial ice, were full on glaciers. The beauty of it all… I’m working my way to the Arctic…. On a sidenote, poor Mr. Collins. I don’t know how people find the will to live after tragedies that great.
Another reason is that after the Titanic sank, the usual route for ships was by government decree moved further south. There would still be icebergs on the new route, but those would be reduced in size, and also there would rarely be enough to surround ships.
Another great video! I’m curious to know if you have links to more footage regarding the short lighthouse clips at the end? At 17:51 I believe it’s Halfway Rock Lighthouse & at 18:07 thacher island/ cape Ann twin lights Thanks!
I really know so little about the history of ship design. When you talked about the Glasgow and said she had a single screw design, it seemed strange as I had no idea there had ever been anything different! But, when you talked about there being two paddlewheels in previous ships, that meant two screws, one on each engine?
The Steamship Californian saw the Titanic's distress rockets and did go to the area where she sank that morning. So most likely, she would have responded and found the survivors.
The actions of Californian on that night is a big can of worms. My personal opinion is that even if the wireless operator had been awoken and the ship had raced to the scene, it would still have not made it in time to rescue any more survivors than Carpathia did. But they should have at least tried.
How sad a thing.. schedules and contracts sinking ships. You can get there late, you can not get there dead. Im glad safety is largely the top priority these days and practiced so vehemently amongst captains and crews whom actually care for the wellbeing of one another more than profits.
Theres a fantastic story to be told about the early explorer or Australia - Hamilton Hume. He apparently took a ship from Port Jackson (now Sydney) and headed to South America, never to be seen again. Lots of stories about being held in Spanish prisons in Lima....
Great vlog as always! Speaking of wireless. Was it in 1909 when the Scotland yard chased a killer that had fled London for the Americas and Scotland yard manage to catch the killer thanks to wireless communicantion between the two ships. A vlog about What happend?
I saw a size comparison of the ocean video on TH-cam, The Pacific, I think, and I was shocked. We, humans, are like microscopic specks compared to the oceans. This planet, although, a large planet to us, is just like us in the Milky Way Galaxy.
Of the messages found in bottles, the one signed Graham for the Pacific seems the most authentic to me. While a prankster could have picked out the name from the passenger list, what are the odds they would have picked a name belonging to a sea captain, who would have a background making it plausible the man would have had the presence of mind during the sinking to write a note for someone to find and let the world know of their fate.
Hello Big Old Boats - maybe you can help me - I read an article many years ago in The Daily Mail (UK), where an Ocean Liner was spotted one second from the shore (of some far away Country - please don't ask me which) and then it simply vanished from sight, never to be seen again. It was reported that it had been discovered, but not in the position as to where she disappeared. Hope you can help :-)
'Part-Time Explorer' channel did a great doc on the SS Arctic sinking. It’s probably one of the worst maritime tragedies that I’ve ever learned of. Disgraceful and frankly, appalling behaviors from some of the passengers and crew. The story stands in stark contrast to the level-headedness, stoicism, resolution to fate, and valor displayed by the vast majority of the victims and survivors of the Titanic Disaster. If you don’t want to be horrified, then by all means, DO NOT go and check it out.
City of Glasglow is the creepy reminder that thousands of ships and the people on them have just disappeared without a trace throughout the centuries. Now the overwhelming majority are just from natural causes but it's still that unsettling notion that these people set out onto the sea to either then die from rogue waves or maybe even worse, be stranded in the middle of the ocean to drift for day or maybe even weeks without ever being found. What else is of note is that the time for finding these older wooden ship wrecks are either gone or nearly gone. Even more modern steel ships will one day rust into nothing, disappearing with nothing but whispers left.
"....bottle message hoaxes [...] were popular back then..." thanks in advance for this rabbit hole about to consume me once I finish this video + search for info on this...
Thanks for watching! What's your favorite maritime mystery?
The Waratah, nothing about it makes sense.
Probably the SS Naronic. It’s a big mystery that still can’t be solved.
The Edmund Fitzgerald. Still gives me chills
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It's not exactly a mystery, but I'd love to know what actually happened on M/S Estonia ferry. I was ~17 when it went down and since I'm a Finn, it was quite close to us. I had even been onboard back when it was the Viking Sally and again as Silja Star.
I’ve switched from true crime to stories about boats going missing in the ocean so in my head it’s like “the sails were cut off, the anchor was cut off, the rudder was cutoff”
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The front fell off!
@@peterlee5535 you know youre not supposed to build boats out of cardboard
@@petrenkomykola7992 Are you sure? Is that a regulation?
Good. True crime has become too exploitative
When you take into consideration just how vast the oceans truly are, it's a miracle there aren't far more unexplained ship disappearances.
Well, it's more that most of them aren't famous. Ships lost at sea.... well... in the old days? "sending a distress call" didn't happen on the high seas.
Until radio existed pretty much every shipwreck was unexplained unless somebody survived.
There are probably a lot more unexplained losses. Before radio, if a ship didn't arrive it was literally just considered lost at sea. I don't know if they sent out search vessels either because of the potential to lose them too.
There are. Back then every time a ship lost it vanished if no one stumbled across it by chance. Also peacetime shipwrecks were much more common in the pre wireless period as ships were smaller and weaker. Now it takes the perfect storm(pun intended) for ships to sink at all never mind without a trace.
Yes oceans are massive but shipping routes usually give a good hint. Plus with an increase in sonar technology and how massive these ships are, it usually only takes some time to find something.
They can even change the magnetic fields sometimes giving further clues to their location.
That a huge vessel with 458 people on board could simply vanish without trace is truly horrific!
Whilst the 458 people on board knew what befell their ship, none lived to share their tale of horror.
Suffice to say that they died terrible deaths, trapped in the sinking, flooding vessel with no hope of escape or rescue.
Crossing the Atlantic Ocean was a high risk affair...
Indeed it was and I often wonder why people would take such a risk
No they were taken to the center of the earth in a wormhole and live with the greys and nephilim now
@@Rase-iwnl- the Nephilim are extinct lol. The grey's don't live in the Hollow Earth, they're just biological drones, basically they're grown in their ships which are shot off into space much like how we shoot probes into space. Sad thing is their planet is probably long dead now and all that's left is the drones
@@GeoffreyWare The same reason people take the risk of leaving their homes at all. They needed/wanted to do it.
The first one is especially disturbing because the crew was probably swamped before they had a chance to make it above deck. They probably woke up in darkness and drowned without time to comprehend what happened, just terror and confusion. I'd like to know even if it meant dying a little slower.
It's kind of like if, before radio, when you went sailing you were like Schrodinger's cat. Theoretically both alive and dead. No one knew for sure until you either showed up at port or didn't. They ought to contact those firms that send submersibles out to search. It'd be really cool to find a lot of these old shipwrecks.
Everytime I think of a Ocean Liner going missing, I always think of the fictional Italian Ocean liner Antonia Graza (based on the Andrea Doria) from the movie Ghost Ship. The thought of a liner crossing the North Atlantic with over a thousand people on board disappearing without a trace then being found floating and derelict by a salvage team in the Bering Strait decades later without any sign of what happened is haunting
Look up the Baychimo
That was an err very formative movie for me, I was probably a bit young, when I first watched it. Imho the effects still hold up quite well.
I'll forever remember the first scene in that movie
The ship in the movie was lost in the Bermuda Triangle not the Mediterranean
@@sorrenblitz805 There's nothing weird about that one. Nobody died and if any of the people that found it later had been a bit more equipped or luckier with the weather it would have plied the sea lanes again.
As a note: the rule about operators not being allowed to repair their equipment existed as a way for Marconi to protect his patents and stave off competition. Early electric companies did something similar, they actually owned the lightbulbs installed in private homes and when one died they would send someone out to replace it. Having developed and promoted the technology they wanted to be able to keep profiting off it without having to constantly ward off imitators. In the case of the wireless operators the downside of this was that they were employees of the Marconi company rather than members of the ship’s crew, so they weren’t really integrated into the command structure
This is interesting. I cant quite put my finger on the name of the country, but, I have heard that in one country you have to have a qualified electrician change your light bulbs in your house. I am open to correction but I seem to remember that it us somewhere in Australasia. 🤔 Imagine that. Crazy. It takes the joke about how many people it would take to change a lightbulb to another level. No blondes involved. This is genuine.
@@lameesahmad9166 I'm certain that's a myth. Maybe industrial lighting but not domestic.
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It's probably a real law, just no longer enforced. The U.S. had literally thousands of such laws at the federal level alone. Things like offending horses and calling 6" cherry pies "cherry tarts." You'd be surprised the laws that existed "back in the day."
@@jfangm Yes that's true, a lot of old legislation which becomes outdated.
Some of these comments….even if BOB did “steal” Mike’s idea, he talked about 3 different ships, none of which I had heard of. But just looking at the production values of this video it’s obvious that this wasn’t made in 2 days. It’s just a coincidence.
I thought "BOB" was the monster got Laura Palmer back all them years ago.
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Those comments are almost as funny as the "OMG you're so dumb the Titanic isn't a mystery" comments from geniuses who couldn't be bothered to watch more than the first 30 seconds of the video.
There are always a army of white knights on the internet.
Da fuq does this comment even pertain to?
In the days before watertight compartmentation, a major breach in the hull from collision, whether with an iceberg or another ship, meant foundering in pretty short order.
If you were in the middle of the ocean, out of sight from any other vessel and no time to even launch distress rockets, you were flat out of luck.
A theory about the SS Pacific that was put forward by a patent lawyer named Dickerson was that its engines raced out of control, self destructing, due to a fault in the design of the valve gear, and that this caused the loss of the ship. However, Dickerson was not an engineer (though he claimed to be many times, and made much money off of these claims) and had a vested interest in disparaging engines which infringed or bypassed the patents of his clients.
While he may not have been an engineer, Dickerson's theory of the _Pacific's_ engines suffering a catastrophic failure is a pretty plausible theory, though it was ultimately disproven by the William Graham message. It was also speculated that the SS _Naronic_ had suffered such a malfunction, which was proposed by the captain of the SS _Runic._ While the four _Naronic_ bottles can't be easily confirmed, the location of where the ship's lifeboats were found, the ways crew lists were kept in those times, and other specific details make them seem too elaborate to be fakes.
We hear about the Titanic so often, yet few people can be aware of the Republic’s sinking, and even fewer of its significance to the Titanic’s designers. That’s an amazing story and brilliantly told. It deserves a million views! Thanks very much.
Another great video. Reminded me of another passenger liner mystery that you could do in the future. The Adelaide Steamship Company's SS Koombana disappeared during a cyclone of the coast of Western Australia in 1912 and has never been found. It was a fate shared by another ASC ship, the SS Yongala in 1911, which wasn't found until 1958.
Others commenting that BOB stole the idea from Oceanliner Designs but Mike Brady talked about SS Naronic, MS Hans Hedtoft, SS Waratah, and Collins Line Pacific. BOB talked about SS Lord Spencer, SS City of Glasgow, and SS City of Boston. Both Big Old Boats and Oceanliner Designs talked about the Collins Line ship Pacific. It would be called stealing if BOB even used Oceanliner Designs' animations without giving him any credit.
I personally feel like it has something to do with the algorithm and the information that they both have available to them. There's probably something that tells them both that their viewers want something like this.
@@MrOmega7109 exactly my thought
Even when in constant radio contact, large ships can suddenly cease to exist with no explanation, pretty common in the Great Lakes.
The WW2 German Kriegsmarine's U-boats , though outside the scope of this channel, definitely hold the record for "assumed lost with all hands but we don't know exactly when, where, or who killed them."
I was thinking maybe they were hit with rogue waves which do occur in the Great Lakes as well as the oceans.
One the most baffling Great Lakes stories that people still disagree about this day has to be the Edmund Fitzgenerald. One moment the ship is in radio contact and as the captain said "We are holding our own", next moment she's just gone.
Official reports claims it was hatch covers, Anderson's captain thinks she may of touch bottom (ifI remember right), others think it was rouge waves in the storm, even heard theories she broke apart then sank. Some say the design of the ship was faulty, others say she was in bad shape in need of serious repairs, etc.
It's pretty wild. It's crazy because that's not even a lost ship, her wreck has been found. Yet we still don't know what actually happened to it. All anybody got is theories.
@@justinlynch3 I think she probably struck bottom on the 6 fathom shoal, which according to her past crews wasn’t out of the ordinary. This could have opened up a gash in her hull, leading to rapid flooding. The captain and crew possibly not realizing how bad the damage was, didn’t report it in time. As for her breaking her back, if she had major flooding in her forward compartments when she crested a wave and sagged the huge weight difference between the fore and aft sections could have broken her keel. Either way most people agree that she split up on the surface. Power to her radios and sensors would have been severed by this, resulting in an abrupt loss of communication. The only thing we know for certain is that whatever happened to the Fitz happened fast.
@@xcc9162 The sinking of the Cyclops is much the same. It's a mystery... because the wreck was never found, and it had a working radio... but never sent a mayday. Well... when you're in a storm in the ocean... the radio might get damaged by the storm. And sinking on the high seas... good luck finding the wreck. Titanic's location wasn't the real issue, it was DEPTH, if it had been shallower waters it'd have been easy. We just don't know the location of the Cyclops accurately enough.
@@justinlynch3 IMO, probably a little bit of everything. Last voyage before a serious refit so not in the best shape, shoaling putting a small hole in the bottom, a bit leaky from the top as well bc leaky hatch covers, cargo shifted due to the water from those causing a bit of a list, then a big wave from a bad angle turned the list into a capsizing/breaking her back.
The SS City of New York and City of Paris were beautiful ships in 1889. I've seen some beautiful color paintings of the SS New York (as it was later renamed, and was the ship that almost collided with the Titanic as she was leaving port) and they're breathtaking with her long bowsprit.
Inman’s City of Rome was an interesting, if unsuccessful, predecessor to those two beauties.
Pity it didn't collide. One wonders how many dreadful losses of life have been avoided by a timely accident.
Probably the most beautiful ships ever built.
Nautical artworks are so beautiful. Thanks for promoting them. It must be quite difficult to achieve the colors of water in the light.
Wow, two disappearing ship videos from the two biggest ocean liner channels on TH-cam? Did you and Mike coordinate this? XD
lol yeah seems sus
Yeah, my first thought was "didn't the well-dressed Aussie just do this yesterday?"
Wow I thought the same exact thing!
Oceanliner Designs talked about the other three ships but both of them talked about the Pacific of Collins Line.
I think they could be copying eachother tbh
This channel is becoming the Unsolved Mysteries of the nautical world. Great work.
Yes, and it's historically accurate too. A lot of the unsolved mystery channels are full of ghost stories and unsubstantiated nonsense.
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They are referring to the old T.V. show "Unsolved Mysteries," which genuinely unexplained or unsolved occurrences.
@@jfangm oh right, I've not heard of it
Interesting that people had to consider the possibility of trolls even back before the internet. But in the form of messages in bottles. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
Having a rule that you can't repair the only means of calling for help while at sea is one of those things that is just so phenomenally stupid its amazing that anyone actually thought it was a good idea. Right up there with not having enough life boats for all on board.
Cool that you and Oceanliner Designs were working on similar videos at the same time. Happened to 2 of the Aviation Disasters channels one time a while back too.
TH-cam must be telling you what we like to see.
I wonder how different the Titanic story would have been if there were no survivors. Creepy thought.
On top of it gaining a reputation similar to MH370 over a century later (perhaps the airplane becomes known as "The Titanic of the skies"?), I'm sure James Cameron, Leo DiCaprio, and Kate Winslet would've had one less big hitter on their resume.
Maybe find some lifeboats with dead bodies and there would be endless conspiracy theories
@@zainmudassir2964 I could definitely see that. There were plenty of conspiracy theories even with the survivors.
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There wouldn't have been any conspiracy theories. History is not kind to tragedies without survivors to tell about it. Most people don't know about the five ships in this video.
It probably would not have been a story at all since the wreck is in a very deep position on the ocean floor...
I absolutely love these documentaries, thanks for presenting. I especially love that era of ships that had both sail and steam power. Also, I really like the paintings of ships In the midst of heavy seas ; one can almost feel the struggle of the vessel portrayed; I love ship art.
Fascinating stories; how tragic was the loss of such beautiful ships, and all on board? Just a thought, particularly the one which may have been lost in a winter storm. My late father was a navy gunner, sailing on Arctic Ocean patrols out of Scapa Flow. He said that in very bad weather they had to go round the ship with steam hoses, clearing it of ice otherwise it would grow top heavy, turn over and sink. Could the same thing have happened with any of these?
White Star's "Germanic" was sunk that way in February 1899: fortunately not at sea, but alongside a New York pier (while loading supplies of coal for her next voyage). And without turning over. When the weather thawed she was pumped out, refloated and repaired to continue a long and interesting career.
Imagine if that happened to Titanic. The case would've only partially solved in 1985.
I dout it!
Without telegraph to report the aproximate location then there would be little chance to find it.
The Titanic's marconi wireless was the McDonald's ice-cream machine of its day.
Please pardon the length. This is the story of when Aaron Burr's daughter, Theodosia, was lost at sea.
In 1812, when her husband had been elected Governor of South Carolina, her only child, a sturdy boy of eleven died, and Theodosia's health was shattered by her sorrow. In the same year Burr returned from a sojourn in Europe, and his loving daughter embarked from Charleston on a schooner, the Patriot, to meet her father in New York. When Burr, who was left a widower after a long and happy marriage, arrived, he was met by a letter which told him that his grandson was dead and that Theodosia was coming to him.
Weeks sped by, and no news was heard of the ill-fated Patriot. At last it became evident that she must have gone down or in some other way have been lost.
Burr and Governor Allston wrote to each other letter after letter, of which each one seems to surpass the agony of the other. At last all hope was given up. Governor Allston died soon after of a broken heart.
Thank you for making this video! I had never even heard of these ships but I'm very pleased to know more about history thank you
Been casually studying everything I could find on the R.M.S. TITANIC and unless I got the memory of a gnat, I've never heard about the Marconi system needing repairs or nor working. Learnm something new every day
The ad timing of this video is spot on. I appreciate it.
I so enjoy your stories and the way you express them to your listeners. As child, my favorite story and poem has always been the wreck of the Hesperus. You describe as Longfellow did a story that sticks with you. You have the gift of gab.
Another great video! Thank you!
Great video and a bunch of exciting mysteries! Thank you!
I was on the wreck of the Celebrity Xpedition in November 2019. And NO it didn't hit a sandbar, the water was 400 feet deep. We were 1/4 miIe off of Isabella when the engine quit. The boat drifted into the rocks when we were on a zodiac cruise.....
Celebrity cruise line treated us VERY well, I highly recommend this group. And it is kind of cool to say that I have something in common with Titanic survivors.
In that "not really" kind of way. I'd leave off that last sentence next time I told that story; it doesn't make you look terribly good. The survivors of the _Titanic_ were haunted by the massive loss of life on that night. Nobody died when the _Celebrity Xpedition_ ran aground.
@@stevenschnepp576 Noted.
That fact about the Titanic's wireless is really interesting, and presumably not well known....how different history might have been had the wireless operators followed policy and not tried to repair the wireless themselves!
Really enjoy your videos. You continue to come up with compelling stories and subjects to delve into.
The ocean is dark and full of terrors.
Your my favorite for old historical ship wreck n history mystery man is the best for the Great Lakes. Thx guys.
Big Old Boats' videos are so atmospheric!
Always a pleasure to watch these videos this is what I wait for every week.Keep up the good work captain.
This channel is addictive...well done
Really enjoy your content, thanks for the hard work you did so we can enjoy it.
This was an amazing video. You're a great storyteller.
Agreed. He’s great. So relaxing to listen to 😊
So happy to see so many videos on vanished ships!
Imagine how many scores (hundreds?) of ships disappeared during the pre-steamer era?
Always nice to see one of your uploads just after I wake up.
Thank you for your wonderful maitime videos. I have learned so much from your videos.
I really enjoy your videos. This one was excellent!
One heck of a hook at the start! You're an expert storyteller
I’ve never heard of any of these, so this should be an interesting watch!
it's interesting how often wretched disasters turn out to be an excuse for insurance scams! even the last merrie celeste run that ended up hitting a reef was like that!
Excellent. I cant help but wonder if any of these have been discovered by later oil and gas surveys or ocean floor explorations. There are some already spotted on sonar, but still remain unidentified.
This 😢 was so informative but tragic. The ocean is truly the master of all.
I can't help but notice how many of these incidents all state the same issue: heavier than normal icebergs for the season. I can only conclude that the most likely fate of these ships certainly involves such sea ice. The ships must have been steaming too fast for conditions, and been kidnapped and eaten by malicious icebergs hellbent on the taste of human blood!
There is an event thatas I understand it, has not happened since 1912. Over a century without any known occurrence.
That is a ship colliding with an iceberg.
The reason for that is the Titanic.
After its sinking, it was made mandatory for all vessels traversing the North Atlantic in peacetime (wartime was likely different) to use a more southerly route to better avoid icebergs.
Also, the International Ice Patrol was set up.
Shame it took the sinking of the Titanic and the massive loss of life to bring those standards in.
I think it goes without saying that way more ships have just straight-up vanished than one could imagine. If you think about the history of ocean-going vessels, thousands of years, how many old ships went out and were never seen again? The ocean doesn't mess around.
Glad to see you darkness looking forward to your jensen video.
Ps.Missing ships were often in the days of 0-1800 ad and still were though in decline during the 19th century after increases in safety and wireless then the chances of a ship going missing(small to medium) is next to nil.
these videos are so exciting i could watch for hours! espesially about the fitz, and the titanic
glad to see more excellent content!
Good video. I have not heard of any of these tragedies before.
What a gripping opening. Wonderful video!
Love it! I'd love to see a video where long lost ship has been found.
I am watching all your videos..fantastic channel calm voice too.
Love watching your videos ❤👍
Thank you so much!
Look I know this isn’t related to the content, exactly, but I love the guitar you have playing in the background. I love the dissonant chords, not so loud we can’t hear you tho. Great work.
Well done. The degree of high safety and reliability of today grew out of hrsh lessons.
The climate and seascape has changed so much over the past 100 years! Icebergs here, there, everywhere. I’ve cruised to Alaska. The ice in the waters were more like… “ice chunks.” The only substantial ice, were full on glaciers. The beauty of it all… I’m working my way to the Arctic….
On a sidenote, poor Mr. Collins. I don’t know how people find the will to live after tragedies that great.
Another reason is that after the Titanic sank, the usual route for ships was by government decree moved further south. There would still be icebergs on the new route, but those would be reduced in size, and also there would rarely be enough to surround ships.
Because passenger ships don’t cross the Atlantic in the winter, that’s why you don’t see them
Another great video! I’m curious to know if you have links to more footage regarding the short lighthouse clips at the end?
At 17:51 I believe it’s Halfway Rock Lighthouse
& at 18:07 thacher island/ cape Ann twin lights
Thanks!
Thoroughly enjoyed this.
Keep up your good work. ✌✌✌✌
A slick, interesting production.
Thank you for this, it was fascinating
Excellent Maritime History and Mystery!
Renaming a vessel is only considered a bad omen, if it isn’t correspondingly rechristened; if I understand the superstition correctly.
I really know so little about the history of ship design. When you talked about the Glasgow and said she had a single screw design, it seemed strange as I had no idea there had ever been anything different! But, when you talked about there being two paddlewheels in previous ships, that meant two screws, one on each engine?
Another informative video!
The Steamship Californian saw the Titanic's distress rockets and did go to the area where she sank that morning. So most likely, she would have responded and found the survivors.
The actions of Californian on that night is a big can of worms. My personal opinion is that even if the wireless operator had been awoken and the ship had raced to the scene, it would still have not made it in time to rescue any more survivors than Carpathia did. But they should have at least tried.
How sad a thing.. schedules and contracts sinking ships. You can get there late, you can not get there dead. Im glad safety is largely the top priority these days and practiced so vehemently amongst captains and crews whom actually care for the wellbeing of one another more than profits.
This video is actually genuinely underated and damm ❤😂🎉
For those who care, the SS Pacific was finally found 4 months ago.
I think you are confusing another ship with that name
Theres a fantastic story to be told about the early explorer or Australia - Hamilton Hume. He apparently took a ship from Port Jackson (now Sydney) and headed to South America, never to be seen again. Lots of stories about being held in Spanish prisons in Lima....
Great vlog as always! Speaking of wireless. Was it in 1909 when the Scotland yard chased a killer that had fled London for the Americas and Scotland yard manage to catch the killer thanks to wireless communicantion between the two ships. A vlog about What happend?
Top 5: rms father
After a milk crisis in europe rms father volenteered to trade with the other continents until it vanished with traces.
Good video! I think landlubbers have no concept of the enormous vastness of the oceans.
I saw a size comparison of the ocean video on TH-cam, The Pacific, I think, and I was shocked. We, humans, are like microscopic specks compared to the oceans. This planet, although, a large planet to us, is just like us in the Milky Way Galaxy.
Of the messages found in bottles, the one signed Graham for the Pacific seems the most authentic to me. While a prankster could have picked out the name from the passenger list, what are the odds they would have picked a name belonging to a sea captain, who would have a background making it plausible the man would have had the presence of mind during the sinking to write a note for someone to find and let the world know of their fate.
amazing video!
WOW JUST FOUND THIS LINK ON NEWS BREAK... CONGRATULATIONS BOB
Wonderful job. 🎉
Hello Big Old Boats - maybe you can help me - I read an article many years ago in The Daily Mail (UK), where an Ocean Liner was spotted one second from the shore (of some far away Country - please don't ask me which) and then it simply vanished from sight, never to be seen again. It was reported that it had been discovered, but not in the position as to where she disappeared. Hope you can help :-)
Heres an idea for ya. How about top 5 or 10 (whichever you prefer) mysterious great lake ship disappearances?
I really love this idea, thank you!
@@BigOldBoats thank you and your welcome!!!! I love watching your videos. I love learning about ships
I live quite near Campbeltown, and I'm surprised I've never heard of either of the SS City of Glasgows
Lord Spencer I think can confirm that Jojo-Actually happened, since Phantom Blood ended on a Steam Fludder ship.
'Part-Time Explorer' channel did a great doc on the SS Arctic sinking. It’s probably one of the worst maritime tragedies that I’ve ever learned of. Disgraceful and frankly, appalling behaviors from some of the passengers and crew. The story stands in stark contrast to the level-headedness, stoicism, resolution to fate, and valor displayed by the vast majority of the victims and survivors of the Titanic Disaster. If you don’t want to be horrified, then by all means, DO NOT go and check it out.
Awesome video 👍
GREAT VIDEO THANKS 🖤🖤🖤🖤🖤🖤
City of Glasglow is the creepy reminder that thousands of ships and the people on them have just disappeared without a trace throughout the centuries. Now the overwhelming majority are just from natural causes but it's still that unsettling notion that these people set out onto the sea to either then die from rogue waves or maybe even worse, be stranded in the middle of the ocean to drift for day or maybe even weeks without ever being found. What else is of note is that the time for finding these older wooden ship wrecks are either gone or nearly gone. Even more modern steel ships will one day rust into nothing, disappearing with nothing but whispers left.
Great video , you should do a Collab with maritime horrors
I dread every S or C
I like your outro saying tho so you’ve been subscribbled
"....bottle message hoaxes [...] were popular back then..."
thanks in advance for this rabbit hole about to consume me once I finish this video + search for info on this...
Are the dimensions given for the SS Boston nautical meters or imperial meters?
I’ve noticed across many videos on multiple channels, ships in the 1800s seemed to all operate with 61 crew. Does anyone know why 61 exactly??
nice work, new sub