@@JudeMichaelPeterson I work in a company who definitely doesn't have EO if I look at gender distribution, I've never had a problem with female managers
Women managers tend to either exercise a tyranny of micromanagement or a tyranny of mercy. The tyranny of micromanaging is bad if you are one of the people who gets on their bad side for some emotional and non-work related reason, or if they just hate everyone. The tyranny of mercy can be fine if all of the people under them are good workers without management since the manager who has a tyranny of mercy will leave everyone alone to do their jobs. The tyranny of mercy gets terrible when you don't have good co-workers and the woman manager is a tyranny of mercy type female manager and so she is too timid to make the disciplinary corrections that need to be made. The only good women managers I've ever had were the tyranny of mercy types when I was working in environments where everyone knew what to do and did it well on their own because they left us alone to do our jobs well. Even those managers were not so much good at managing though but good at leaving us alone because we didn't need managing, if anything came up that was relationally difficult, you could never count on a manager like that because they are too timid.
Working as a software developer at a large corporate tech company I’ve realized the work does not matter at all. All that matters is you make your boss look good to his bosses when the time comes. In return he makes sure I get bonuses and raises. If I work hard but it’s not noticed it doesn’t matter.
spoilers: he learned this shit from his own boss, who is doing the same thing, all the way up the chain at the top of the chain: turns out the entire tech company was a pump and dump appearance over substance scam anyways hence the culture LOL "you actually thought we were a real company?!?!?!?"
@Jason Green at most Im coding for four hours. Most of the work is meeting with other teams or users to figure out what to do and how it should be done
Says the man who left a 9-5 to run this TH-cam channel. ... If you're thinking about saying that he worked much more than 40 hours per week, stop. Notice that there are already 40+ replies in this thread. Read some of them. At least 30 of them are already saying the same thing. There is no discussion here, just 40 people all saying the exact same thing. This was a snarky joke and all of you missed that.
seriously he's not being legit TH-cam is a pretty trash career too though, I did it for a while, you dont really own the business, and theyll throttle your views even if you were doing well at some point. It;'s not evergreen like it's cracked up to be
I've noticed a lot of self employed people have this mindset where they genuinely convince themselves employees have it easier. Makes you wonder why they don't just dissolve their business and apply for a job if it's so great 🤔
The 9-5 40 hour a week job was great when there was job security, good wages, affordable living costs, a distinct boundary between work and free time and a comfortable retirement after decades of working. Even an unpleasant job can be tolerated as long as it facilitates a decent life. The problem is that almost none of those perks exist nowadays. So it's just an exhausting grind.
Those things never existed, we never made more money than we make now. We never had as much free disposable income as we do now. We have never worked less than we do now.
@@bl8388 Lots of comments like that here. I wonder I'm so lucky that I actually work in a place where work life balance is well respected. I seldom need to worry about working 'after hours'. Let alone 'be available'.
As a European, I understand why especially Americans are unhappy with the typical 9-5 job. Putting in a lot of hours, being asked to be available in your 'free' time, commuting, having a set amount of sick days(?!), and very limited vacation time. That is not a very great sales pitch if you furthermore aren't being paid that well. However, while hustle culture is obviously also desired and idolized in many places in Europe, I think a larger number of people are actually very content with the security and benefits of a traditional job. It should be a movement towards better workplace conditions; not necessarily a movement towards 'hustling' harder and taking on a lot of risk.
America is different. It’s not just the craptacular healthcare benefits It’s also the mindset and possibly the delusion that working harder is always rewarded and the that tomorrow has to be greater than today. But it’s a very cutthroat mercenary philosophy.
Doesn't Europe have more unemployment, way lower average wages, nearly the same average hours worked per week across the board, and on average longer commutes (OECD)? I don't know if I'd trade making more money and commuting less for more vacation time. But Ignoring all of that, the angst people have here isn't from the amount of sick days you have (which is nice but definitely isn't make or break for most people) or even hustle culture which isn't even a thing for a majority of the workforce, but the work that you actually do. Our parents were fine with monotony, we're not, although it seems many are learning to love it....
@@fatboyRAY24 i don't think that the salaries are necessarily lower in Europe, at least not throughout (the west surely surpasses the east in this regard though). You do have to take into account the fact that salaries here aren't gross salaries, but net, so after taxes. Plus the fact that having a car isn't mandatory due to okay-ish overall transportation system, so there s a ton of money saved there in terms of gas and the price of the car. Small things like that add up to better quality of life, especially in the west.
@@fatboyRAY24 no us workers work way more hours in a year. Yes my pay would double if I moved to the us but I would have to live in the us. I can't get fired in Germany it's a long process even if I don't work I only can get a warning. I have vacation can be sick how long I want.
@Insufficent Funds Noone really has 8 hours of downtime after working after travelling, taking care of the kids, cooking, cleaning etc. Also most people decide to go sleep early cos they so tired
@@anthonyfaucy2761You need discipline. I work longer than 40 hours with a 400 mile commute and I still have time for hobbies. My friend has a son and she works 40 hours and has time for her hobbies. Everything is on a set time frame. When it comes to kids, each partner respects the other partner by taking the kid of their hands for two hours. When my friend gets home from work, she has two allocated hours away from her son. When her son and his father comes home, that is happy time for her son where she spends two hours with him, giving her husband two hours away from their son. At the end of the day, it's together time as well as morning time too. I come home from work and spend time with my husband. When 8 PM comes around, all work is done as is my time until 10 PM when I go to sleep. If anyone wants anything done and it's after 8, either do it yourself or wait until tomorrow evening. The few times I do have a 40 hour week cause it's a holiday, I have time for my hobby during the morning before work, then treadmill after work. It takes discipline and telling your partner to respect your "me time" and to share the house work load.
9-5 is actually 7-6. Counting the time you need to get dressed, commute (x2), plus if you have to do off job studying, off hour thinking about the job, dry cleaning/maintaining your clothing/equipment, etc, etc. how about the happy hours, obligatory social events to play the politics, time used to prepare/bring dish to potlucks, etc. Also, job hunting, onboarding, exit, career strategizing, etc.
Or the unreimbursed “overtime” hours to get a project done because management purposely low-balled their number for the man hours and it’s taken out on your hide. THEN, after spending all that extra unreimbursed time to get the poorly managed project completed by the deadline, you have the “audacity” to take an hour of regular office time to go to the dentist. Memory is short, and that hour that you took for the dentist comes directly out of your PTO time. F that
Why don’t you just make it the law that you don’t have to work long hours? Vote for politicians that will cut student loan debts and long working hours.
I just left my restaurant manager job for a 9-5, and its been a breath of fresh air. I worked 10am-3am 5-6 days a week chasing the idea of being promoted to a cushy 6 figure upper management role. But sacrificing my marriage, my friends, my hobbies, and all my weekends wasn't worth it anymore. I make less money now but I'm infinitely happier than I was before.
Red flags for companies that hire are when they require you do overtime and be available for weekends let alone want you to relocate means they cant keep employees and that says alot.
Damn bro I’m a fine dining waiter and make 120-150k(6k every two weeks) and I only work 30 hours a week typically from 3pm to 9pm. You might’ve hated it by going the management route, I have a degree in business management, and have been in restaurants 10+ years, I’ll never be a manager haha. Paid less and longer hours. Restaurants are the only industry besides like the NFL where employees make more than managers
@@dalton6108 That's terrible though. I thought that the whole point of the regular time was to pay the bills? I used to work in landscaping and once I saw how much I had to bust my butt to make what the guys who worked in places with air-conditioning made, I was determined to take school seriously to get a job that I could be physically comfortable and do.
Same here Sometimes I hate my job until I remind myself that I have a job where I can start whenever I want and work how long I want. As long as I get 40hours of work done in a week I am free to go I can also work remotely from wherever I want. But like all humans do I find something to be mad about XD
@@jaylogu5675 Bro i don't know either XD I got randomly very lucky. I work as an e-commerce manager for a small Dutch company. I basically take care of the Amazon account, upload new products, improve the images, titles, etc. They are pretty chill
Having grown up in a family of business owners and working in business banking as well as business insurance, I feel I am well qualified to speak on this subject. The dedication & sacrifice that goes into owning your own business is grossly misunderstood by many people. I'll state some of the advantages; you create your own schedule, you control your own salary, you get to take pride in something that is truly yours. These are all great. But most think that if you're the owner, you get to automatically buy the fancy car, go golfing everyday and sit in the back counting your money. In reality, it takes many years of endless work to get to this point. As the owner, you are always on the clock. You're not stuck at a desk from 9-5 but guess what, your responsibilities to the business and your employees is a 24 hour gig. You get the call when you're on vacation that your key employee is in the hospital because they got in a major car crash. Say you have 10 employees, thats not 10 mouths your feeding; thats more like 30-40 mouths your feeding. If you can't keep the business profitable, not only do you lose it all, but those who mean the world to you do as well. When the bank can't extend you any additional credit, there is nobody to run to. Nobody else is there to pick up the pieces. How about that beautiful house you worked to pay off? All of a sudden you're taking out an equity loan because your insurance company denied your $100k claim on a bull shit technicality. All of this and hundreds of other things are in play everyday and if you play your cards right and work your balls off for years, you can surely be successful one day. These are all examples of events/scenarios I have seen and dealt with both in my family and working with multiple business owners. Do not ever, discredit the benefits of a 9-5 job. If it pays ok and allows you to buy a home, save up a bit and enjoy yourself, you're ahead of the game because when you walk out that door, you're away from work and the responsibility for the time being. As the business owner, you are never away from it. Sorry for the long comment but this topic really gets me going.
I am a business owner and shit is not easy while everyone partying I have to be at my store. So it’s like slavery but I don’t think I would wanna work for someone else
I mean is it that bad tho being a business owner. I don't know why I can't just buy this idea of starting a business being hard. I mean its difficult truth but not soooo hard. I just feel its exagerrated. I mean with proper planning and strategizing you should know how you would earn revenue to become profitable that's all it comes down to. I have never ran a business tho so I guess till then...
The reason I don’t dream about being self employed, is because both my parents were self employed. Other than the top 1% of small companies, self employed just means working 24/7 for no guarantee of money, and usually for less than a 9 to 5. I rarely saw my parents during my childhood because they were worried about the bills being paid. During Christmas they were working, during spring break they were working, every day at 10pm they were working…all so that at the end of the year, they couldn’t afford Christmas presents. By the time they had regretted their decision they were in too far. How do you abandon a company you’ve spent a decade building? When you’ve just managed to break even with average wages? When your child has already grown up and moved out having barely known you? I think it’s incredibly arrogant that people think they’ll be the 1% of small businesses that goes public and sells for millions. Because the lower 99% are working twice as hard as you are in your day job too. Everyone thinks they’ll be a 1%er until they realize hard work doesn’t lead to success, it’s luck, market and clients, and none of them want the best for you.
Sucks your parents ruined a potential dream life for you because their business was shit. Started a business, multi 6 figures and im never working a bloody 9-5
This is true, I have a friend who’s a graphic designer. He’s obsessed with being a business owner. But he is constantly stressed out. He makes good money, sure, but he easily works 70 hours a week, probably more. No thanks.
People that worked multiple jobs can tell you that 9-5 jobs aren't the problem, bad working environment is the problem (being it the boss, the company culture, the clients...)
This is true. I’ve worked over 30 + jobs in my life more than my age and I finally found a place where I’m happy, they’re super flexible, the conditions are great, I have a lot of freedom, etc. It’s at a well known media company as well so I feel tech/media is key to get this type of environment. Trust me I’ve done them all lol. It’ll be 4 years in December - which is a milestone! The longest I’ve ever stayed at a job was a year.
Worked multiple jobs, some were closer to home (literally 5 min travel) and other were not. I can tell you that every single job is mentally taxing due to the fact that 1 screw up, 1 bad day for the boss and its OVER. Even with good bosses I still think 9-5 or whatever job it is its still terrible. In reality its 7 or 8 to 6-7. That's only the times it takes you to prepare for the job and/or get to it. In reality it's not 8 hours you're wasting on that job but rather 10-11. The best option and the one I'm currently at (which is possible for me) is a remote job with flexible time that doesn't require my full 8 hour presence. You do your job and you're out. You chose at what time of the day to do it so you DO IT. Everything I hated at my past jobs is how much time I waste and how many insignificant conversations I'm forced to have with people.
I mean pay enough attention and work enough to keep your job, especially at some companies where the max they'll pay employees is 60k, or some under the average amount. Its really like 'Im living but also dieing' taking the jump to the new company might really put you in a bigger hole, but staying is definitely putting you in a hole so why bother.
@@alexroge6495 Majority dont check you're job past, or call your job. Show them you're work but list the contact info and they'll just glance over them, also wont know how long it took you to do it. Many people just say their currently employees to the job they quit/fired from
@@alexroge6495 In reality, you're seldom fired 'fired' in large companies. They just start to pressure you into quitting voluntarily. In specific cases, they literally negotiate compensation with you for that. The modern corporate world is highly beneficial and convenient for the employees once you get the hang of it. It's funny, actually.
It's not "You need to work to live" anymore, It's "You need to work to not die". These days it just seems like you work to work, because the 'live' part of the equation, as defined by things like a vacation, a house, a family, a retirement, seem less and less plausible. I would appreciate my 9 to 5's more if they seemed like they were doing anything other than keeping me in position to work my 9 to 5's.
Defining "live" as having vacations and fancy shit was never anything other than a fever dream conjured up by American marketers during the peak of US power and influence. Work has always been about survival for all people in all history. We already enjoy more luxury than any culture before us.
@@haedrichowen You can, go and enjoy the outdoors, no one is stopping you. Move out from the cities. Believe it or not there is far more nature than city in the world. Industrialization has pulled most people out of poverty. People 100 years ago dreamed of living in our current circumstances, and now here we are complaining about it.
The irony is that, I turned my career as a youtuber into a 9-5 despite everyone wanting to become a youtuber to escape it (myself included). 9-5 lifestyle is actually quite nice. I get to enjoy my weekends without thinking about work.
My good paying job makes me work weekends. Six figures is nice but I wake up thinking "I should knock some work out right now" instead of actually investing into my lifestyle outside of work
I tried the whole independent business/freelancer schtick a few years ago. Took me about 2 months to realize just putting in 8 hours a day and going home is so much easier. I spent almost a year stressed out of my mind just because I was working from home with no predefined daily schedule - there was always more work I still hadn't done! Then I went and got a 3-year degree, now I work in a clinic for 8 hours a day and go home with my mind at ease. Even moved out of the metropolis to a small mountain town to shorten my commute to 15 minutes.
Sounds like a definite improvement. But how much did the degree cost? Now that you're having a better life, is this debt a problem. Also some people fail their degree, or get the wrong degree that doesnt pay them back. So , congratulations, but it ain't always that smooth.
Pros and cons to both sides. There is something nice about clocking out and leaving work at work. When you own even just a small/one man business your mind is always on something
@@NoName-to5xl Fail your degree? Do your reaserch on how hard the school isbefore attending, if you think you can't handle it, choose another one. Get the wrong degree? 20 second google search.
"I want to start my own business so I can be my own boss" I thought this would be true, but after starting my own business I learned that that's an illusion. My new boss is my clients, and some of them are worse than any boss I had in the corporate world. If this is your main motivation to start a business, you're better off with a boss. Just try to find a good one to work for. EDIT: That's not to mention that the government becomes more of your boss, as well. You have to make sure you comply with all of their laws. Employees are shielded from most client demands and government regulations and tax codes by their bosses. I'm not saying it's not worth it, I'm just saying that you're going to need a better reason than being "your own boss"
My parents owned businesses while I was growing up. Made me want to never follow in those footsteps. I'm perfectly content working hard for someone else for a set part of the day, and then never worrying about it outside those hours.
Agreed. I work a typical 9-5 job and have a great relationship with my two bosses (owners of the company). The business is essentially their life. They are often forced to sacrifice their weekends and need to work ridiculous hours just to keep the business afloat. Working 9-5 has a stigma that "you work for someone else" but most people have absolutely no idea how difficult it is to run a successful business.
If you don’t care to accrue substantial wealth then yes this is the way to go. The ceiling is exponentially higher for those who start their own business, but unfortunately the risk is obviously much higher as well.
Same!! My parents run a business 8-11 or even past that some times. Growing up watching them made me realize even tho businesses have a few pros like being self employed and getting the yield of profits it's also very risky and you gotta Devote your life for that, which ain't my thing. I much rather work for someone 9-5, get my pay, spend some time w family and myself and be happy:) y'all got it floks
One thing I want to see more of in society is longer weekends. I was working a 4 days on/4 days off work-schedule for the past three years. I never knew something like that was even possible. It went a long way towards giving me alot of free time to do what I wanted. That alone would be a game changer.
This. What most 9-5 people are missing is time for a meaningful life outside work. You aren’t allowed to “work to live” with a 9-5x5 because there is no time to live. Weekends are spent doing chores and tasks you put off during the week, and during the week we’re lucky to have 2 hours of actual free time… time not spent getting ready for more work, shopping, or eating.
I don't think anyone would be dissatisfied with their job, regardless of its difficulty, if we had a mid week break. Keep Saturday and Sunday as weekends and give us Wednesday too. Therefore we only have to survive 2 days before a break.
Absolutely. We went from 16 hour days to 8 hour days, 6-7 day weeks to 5 day weeks. I always understood this as just the beginning. It was never supposed to stop there, be the end of history. Productivity has at least quadrupled in a hundred years, but instead of cutting the work week to 10 hours, or being 4 times richer, or at the very, absolute least, add 1 or 2 days to the weekend, we were bamboozled into working twice as much for the same pay (dual-incomes now being the familial necessity the single income was). High time we take back all of the progress that should have been ours for the last 100 years, high time we once again start to progressively reduce the work week.
I recently convinced my company to shift to 4 day work weeks. We're less than 2 months in, so it still feels weird. But it's awesome that they actually agreed to do it!
@@skyauden2522 True, being your own boss really helps your diversify your effort and energy into a lot of things. I sell gadgets on Amazon, also on the side l invest in stocks and also am an influencer on twitter.
I can nothing but agree. I work Transit Security in Germany for a sub-contractor of the DB (Deutsche Bahn) and let me tell you: it is hustle culture and long hours back to front. if you don't get to around 190-210hrs/Month you are deemed weird for not pulling hours on end. Honestly this is crazy! I am 22 and have been non-stop working since 18; I am already drained dry pulling constant 220hrs/month for approx 3 years - now I am starting to go low onto 168hrs (tariff minimum) and it feels amazing. I finally have time, space and energy to reflect on my life and personality and have quality time with my fiancé, which I couldn't do before. To anyone reading this: please don't do the same mistakes as I and many others did; respect your personal wellbeing and mental health above some cash on the bank or neat unnecessary stuff to buy. And also don't get scammed, working long hours for little pay; it should not be that way. (almost literally) Buy yourself some free time. I am changing employers for exactly that reason: regulated work schedules, more vacation, less back-to-back workdays, more me-time.
Part time job + creativity: I just wanna say that I'm now doing a 15 hour workweek with the addition of some design royalties and photography work and I'm actually going okay financially. This is huge to me, I didn't realize how much freedom a boring customer service job would give me. I'm blessed with low rent and a meaningful flexible company so I'm really priviledged, but I want to say I didn't think it was possible and now it turns out to be. I always abhorred the idea of a part time boring job thinking it would prevent me from persuing my creativity, but the emotional stability of a basic income and showing up every time at the same time meeting the same friendly people turns out to be such a big stabilizing factor that the sacrifice of autonomy and yes, being managed by someone who isn't very smart, makes it worth it so far. Contributing to something bigger than myself instead of doing self motivated stuff all day is nice.
community living - which is something you should only do if you are actually in it for the community. Plus rent help from the government in my country (low incomes receive this in my country)@@tachobrenner
Great! Good luck! Right now I'm thinking about a job change as the lack of creative input in my job is draining me. I'm thinking of switching to part time corporate work so that I can fully cover my basic income needs and then having full creative freedom on the side, but I haven't decided yet. Management changes at the office which might mean more freedom so I might stay. My manager did such a poor job but now he's leaving a lot of good stuff is happening.@@AnomalyBelleza
I'm the lazy person who only wants to do bare minimum so 9-5 sounds pretty good to me. Yet, I also don't think I or anyone else in these jobs are actually needed for 8h. I think even 9-5 can and should be more flexible and accommodating to the lifestyle of the employee. Yes, you can still go to your job, but does it have to be full 8h? Or can you start at 7 if that's more convenient? Or at 10 if you have an appointment in the morning? AS long as the job gets done, why do the working hours matter?
9-5 can turn into 9-7 or 9-9 easily with incompetent/lazy coworkers/managers/staff or due to increasing workload (the more you know, the more you do). Also, getting dressed up for work and commuting to/from the office are additional “work related tasks” before even performing the real work. Companies should reward top performers to allow them to WFH more.
I will never listen to someone who is a freelancer or a business owner and would never return to an office job to tell me that working for yourself is not as good as it looks. I've heard this a billion time, and whenever I tell them why don't they just return to a 9-5 then? all of them come back to me with a blank stare and an "euEUHhh, I like what I'm doing". and here is what they don't fucking get. most people who work a 9-5 don't like what they're doing and feel they are meant to do something they like. Never, Never let anyone even this guy who I like to watch to tell you that working a 9-5 isn't a bad idea. If you believe it's not for you, It's not. Go do something else with your life.
If you have no one you are responsible for then sure. Most people aren’t meant for anything better they just think they are bc they overvalue themselves. It’s “fine” to try and fail when only you have to suffer but it’s not ok if you have a family
@@badart3204 It's because most people fall into line. The problem has deeper roots. And people should be authentic, but we don't teach them that from the beginning. We condition people to fall in line, work for someone else, be enslaved their entire existence, have a family and teach them exactly that, then call it "the cycle of hopeless emptiness" I am far from being the fantasizing person, I work for a company and trust me even though I like what I do, I don't like working for people. I know that working for someone else is never a good options and the reason for that is that you have 0 control of your situation. All companies I've worked for laid off people or changed the terms of contracts and this despite unions. The company will always choose what's best for itself and its existence. You are less flexible and less secure, you have less control over your time and your life, it's quiet desperation to be honest and the sad thing is that people were lead to that from age 5.
You missed one point. Owning your own business you trade one boss for another. Clients are likely going to be much tougher on you vs a boss from a 9-5. You can't really pick clients for most businesses either, unless you want a flood of bad reviews.
That's what I tell people who say they want to buy properties and rent them out... "I'll be my own boss..." "Passive income..." "Easy money..." Nah, your tenants are now your bosses.
@@Quanic2000 Being a landlord has to be one of the worst jobs out there. There's a reason most people don't want roommates. It's that but more responsibilities of dealing with whatever idiot is living in your unit.
@@dalton6108 I never bought that. The rich have trillions offshore in accounts we just don't know about. We _could_ hire that many doctors in a general societal sense, because they are objectively overworked and much of our economy is structured around feeding the gatekeeping middle men working insurance. There's not some magical doctor juice that just prevents us from having a larger supply of doctors.
It’s a little different for me, but I actually like my current job. After being self employed for 3 years, I really didn’t want to go back to a regular job. But I was in dire need of a steady income and affordable benefits. For me, it’s a good environment, and I have been doing very well. I’ve never been asked or expected to work overtime, and I have a very supportive management team, and a flexible schedule. It’s not a 6 figure job, but I’m on the way!
Anecdotally, I've actually really liked my 9 to 5 job. I had a really good boss and a really good supervisor. They were really open to listening to ideas which I was full of as a 19-year-old. They would tell me when I had a good idea and they would tell me when I didn't have a good idea and why. My supervisor had decades of experience and a ton of connections and respect in the organization that I worked for. He used his experience to help me and my coworkers weed out good and bad ideas (he understood the business needs) and he used his connections and clout to help us execute on good ideas (office politics and knowing whose help was needed, and he was able to reduce human bottlenecks because people tend to do good by those they're friends with and he was friends with everyone). A 9-5 is great in my opinion the only issue I had was a lack of freedom since I had to go into an office but now there are so many remote jobs.
I am a 100% self taught no college debt software dev. My entry level jobs were decades ago. They weren't 6 figures back then but were still good. I can't really think of any other field where this is possible.
He mentioned that as well. I’ve been tempted to learn how to code and get into the field and do maybe data science or similar. Currently in the electrical trades.
@@BigAl4244 data science is overrated. For every 10000 dev jobs advertised, there will be 0.5 DS job. I have been in the industry for over 20 years, have been to numerous IT conferences, worked for a few companies, small and big, I am yet to see a company employing a ds. Nowadays, maybe to lure in ambitious minds and investors company slap the word data science on the good old job of database engineering. The Sql guy , you know. So if you are new to software, just aim for developer not these fluffy buzzwords. Learn one good programming language and a few bells and whistles around it, try to get the foot in the door and maybe later judge yourself if you really wanna pursue any of those other things, after scouting the market and searching what kind of job DS really involves, which companies are employed DS, what skills are they after, what's the background of many DS. Etc. Also read up on ds jobs on jobs sites, 99.9% will require php or at masters in maths/stats related subjects.
This was possible in software dev because computers are such a huge value add to almost any business. Not that many people knew how to do it either because it was such a young field and the schools hadn't built up big programs yet, so anyone who could demonstrate competency got big salaries. This is no longer the case. The gold rush is over. Coders are a dime a dozen, they're teaching Python in elementary schools now. It's no longer enough to just know a programming language, in most technical fields now programming is just a tool in your toolbox to do your actual job. Engineers know how to program. Finance wonks know how to program. If all you know is software dev and you're entry level today, you'll be stuck making low grade phone apps or websites for beans. Learning to code is just like learning how to read in most technical fields now, it's a baseline expectation.
Ford, was hiring engineers/mechanics who would be considered college educated, and upper middle class. They deserved to be paid more in general, and Ford used this to headhunt the best in the buisness paying 2-4x what others would make. How? By paying them enough to afford to buy his vehicles/products he not had a consumer base that did not exists before.
Are you suggesting Ford created their customers in the form of their own employees? How would that bring money into the company? That would just be a closed loop, they obviously needed primarily outside customers to profit
If an employee creates value equivalent to 2 cars for the company but you pay them the equivalent of 1 car you can sell them a car and someone else a car. Then you're basically just paying for materials.
My 9-5 is actually a 9-6 since we have a mandatory lunch break. Also, I spend 40 mins commuting in each direction. Also, I spend ~2-3 hours weekly ironing my clothes because I can't sit in the same pair of sweatpants for weeks at a time. Also, I spend more money eating at places near the workplace instead of cooking at home. So this turns my work week into 55 hours instead of 40 if without counting the overtime that I don't get paid for. I know I'm in the minority but the pandemic has treated me very well. I was able to work from home for the first time ever and saw the bullshit I was in. Now we are back in the office and it sucks. I haven't quit yet but I am considering it. I know many people have it way worse than I do. This is just my current situation.
That's really not a job problem but a infrastructure/city planning problem. The way that the US and some other countries does zoning basically requires having long commutes. Meanwhile I only need 10 minutes. I dry my clothes by hanging it up, no need to iron the majority of it and it's not sweatpants
@@tomlxyz i live in singapore which americans and euros on reddit love to jerk off as having perfect public transport but the average commute is still 40-50 minutes (assuming one way) same as the original post, and probably worse depending on your luck. driving may or may not cut it down by ~10-20 minutes, it's very variable luckily we dont need to iron clothes either cos the weather is usually baking hot on the weekend
I think this is where I disagree with him. 9-5 sucks because there’s no flexibility and we know we don’t need to work so much to keep the economy working and we are worth way more the corporations then what they pay us
Yes but what are people going to do? Start a cliche business in a over saturated market? Borrow loans that will never be repaid because a business failed and over leveraged themselves? People have to find a middle ground or safety net before venturing out to different pastures because then they become bitter after several failures and end up consuming what other “entrepreneurs” keep trying to shove down their throats.
Most 9-5s aren't really 9-5 anymore anyway. These days you can come in any time between 6 and 22 to work your hours and stay in youe home office every second day. Pretty flexible if you ask me.
A lot of places don't fire you. They ignore you. Which means you are not getting the opportunities. But if you have worked out what is going on and you are beyond the point of caring, then rather than resigning immediately, it can pay off to go with the flow and accept the benefits of the situation you are in. Sad, so sad, especially when you see duds getting ahead because they make friends with the 'right people' who ignore their laziness/incompetence. C'est la vie, it is the way of the world. Thank you for the video!
At that point, the best option is to stack money, stay as long as you can collecting “experience” that can be put on a resume, and then apply for a better job. Moving to another job is the easiest way to get a raise and higher level position.
For that "9-5 protects you" it really does. One of my coworkers had 3x the number of allowed attendance occurances before he was fired. One of my other coworkers is lazy, slow, and dangerous to everyone around him. He's been like that for longer than I've been employed there.
@@bigchum3984 Forklift driving. He drives perfectly smooth and straight when we're going to an aisle, but as soon as he's inside it, he drives like an imbecile and moron. Knocking pallets aside, almost dropping pallets off the still, getting stuck on a pallet of grapes, which no other driver got stuck on. Dropping pallets off the still in a refrigerator, throwing the merchandise on the floor around all wildly, smashing into two trolleys hard enough to make a wall flex a foot. An actual foot. How? When we're trying to clean up the pallets on his forks he starts and stops randomly, even when we're navigating around him to get reset for spotting. Everyone there complains about him. Yeah, I work retail
It depends where you are and what you need. When you have less over head like rent, kids, then it's worth while to go risk more and husstle. If you got overhead then u gotta move slower and plan further
@@markk3453 statistics would disagree with you. Married fathers are the highest earners as a demographic category. Singles actually make considerably less as a demographic category, and likewise single fathers and children less husbands. Responsibility and the selflessness of caring for a family tends to entice hard work and drive, the selfishness of no children encourages mediocrity.
This argument for a 9-5 is so compelling. Its a good thing that I can always fall back onto a 9-5 if my future business dealings go terribly. The stability it brings is amazing. It can finance your life for the things that you enjoy more than working.
It's shocking to me that people still don't seem to understand the issue. We all know money is power, and your telling me the most sure fire way to get money is to be the type of person who would sacrifice everything, including their mental health, to get that money? No wonder all the people with power seem to be corrupt or have a screw loose, the system literally forces that kind of person to the top. Isn't that a huge problem!? Not that I know what the solution to it is
As an individual work for a large and profitable Tech company. Working 9-5 I make more than most doctors just by doing complex algorithms. It's a good gig especially while working remotely. The hours are more like 9-3pm. As a side hustle I run a media agency. Starting a side business while being fully employee makes it easier to no stress about money. I now make good money working part time. 9-5 jobs are get if you find a good culture.
I'll take running my own company and all that goes with it over, being a mindless, replaceable drone, simply living to make others above look good and happy, while having zero control over my own ship. 9-5 corporate jobs are only cool for a little bit. Mostly to make connections and learn the game early. After that, you find something you're truly passionate about that you can then monetize well enough to gain your freedom, flexibility, and time to live and do as you please. Some jobs are definitely better than others, but the sentiment is the same. I think most people are afraid to go out there and get and need another man telling them what to do, how to do it, and when to do it. It boills down to fear and motivation.
Many people start business because they don't really have another option. For instance, in the country I grew up in, only nationals can be lawyers, doctors, accountants, etc. So immigrants would come looking for a better life and would start a business because they didin't have other options -- it was either that or very low paying menial work. So instead, they started opening restaurants, stores, distribution companies. I started freelancing because I just couldin't get a good job. Many business are built because the owners did not get jobs or were not suitable for the whole 9-5 schtick.
I think most people wouldn’t mind working the 9-5 if they had good benefits: paid sick leave, paid vacations, decent healthcare packages, etc. My union job has all of those and it’s worth it to stay. Plus a CEO that actually does care about us (yes, he still makes too much money, but still, he appreciates us and listens to us).
It’s good to see another video on this topic from you, I’ve been echoing the same thing for ages now, everyone online talks about the entrepreneurial spirit but the employee life is, in more cases than not, a much better option
Your video’s are always exceptionally good. You’re clearly a unique and nuanced thinker. Glad to have found your channel. You deserve every view you get!
As a person who grew up poor, believe me, I get a lot of fulfillment from having an apartment, food, and hobbies. I never once expected to get any fulfillment from a job. Jobs are supposed to suck, that’s why we get paid. Believe me, “fun” jobs that are “fulfilling” suck just as bad and are usually psychopathic nightmares.
Ya know what's better than spending 40 hours a week creating excuses for an exploitative bureaucracy in exchange for a third of what you need to survive? Working 20-30 hours a week in the privacy of your own home to make everything you need to survive with your own hands, plus a little extra to share with your neighbors. Which is how most of the world lived through most of human history.
Exactly. Most people dont realize that for most of human history we were self reliant. We were designed to be self reliant. The modern world is ridiculous.
Having your own business doesn’t have to take as much time as the being a Dr or Engineer, eg 60 hours + per week. You can start small and with as little as 10-20 hours per week while earning money. You just have to find the right, low cost/initial investment business. Network and find the right people, you can’t build a business alone. I’m building my business now, sure it is taking longer but I get to spend time with my family and going on vacations.
That’s what I’m telling my parents but they force me to go college and get a bachelor for enginner. I feel like the work in the future at a 3x3 cube slavement/master ordeal Will worsen and im gonna go crazy. I am man. People need to understand there is risks from the moment you were born. Do you think people survive endlessy? That’s just stupid. We can die today in our bed time or i can die while i write this mfker shit.
I have been working in federal law enforcement for years. 60+ hour weeks, constantly changing shifts/days off, months away from home living out of hotels, insane overseas trips to extremely questionable locations, 6 months at a residential training academy in New Mexico, on call 24/7 with an agency issued phone, laptop, and car. I often wonder what the average 9-5 office job is like.
Academic researchers get intellectual freedom- but they don’t get any free time, they’ll spend 80+ hours a week grinding for grants and doing science researchers. All for shit pay.
What most people don't realize is that in the US people that can make a very good living in the trades. I paid $0 for training, and actually got paid to learn. It took about 12 months from a low level of residential construction to being able to fully design and build a complete home. The only thing you need to get an advantage over your competitors is show up on time and sober to get your foot in the door.
Hmmm, so according to your comments most competitors are not sober when showing up, sounds like something about it keeps most sober people away or makes people take stuff
@@seriousandy6656 I don't feel it is that demeaning. For one thing designing a house is really easy, for me anyway. I pay an structural engineer to do the calculations or use prescribed framing to build to code. Since I started in 2002 have gotten quite a bit better over the last two decades. I have primarily focused on being a remodel contractor so extensive knowledge of all the trades is required, most of which I am quite capable of preforming now that I shadowed them anytime I hired them. It's true that I went from laborer to designing and building my first house in about a year. I have also been refining all of my skills over the last 20 years relating to my career. The day you stop learning is the day your potential stops.
I think most people can put up with work they find meaningless if there's a clear path of progression and high pay, but most 9-5's don't offer that. You find yourself stuck with low pay, no path to progression, working to make someone else wealthy, performing tasks that often feel meaningless, ALL for no time to build a meaningful life outside work to make it worth while. Wake up at 7 - 7:30 to prepare for work, get home by 6/7, you have 2-4 hours each day of actual free time to decide what to do with... most people are tired and choose to rest, clean, take care of needed tasks. The happiest employees I see are those that have free time either through 4 10 hour work days and 3 days off, or 6 hour work days. The work isn't any different usually, but having time for life is a game changer.
I work a 9-80 schedule and I love it! 9 hour work days Monday-Thursday with one Friday being 8 hours and then the following Friday off for the day. Having a three day weekend every other week is so nice and staying one extra hour per day really isn't bad at all!
You work so you don't have to, you have one steady income then use that one steady income as the bedrock for more, that's what people don't get, it's a bedrock to build off not a permanent thing that's how you use it today. Now there will be long hours, long work. Though you pull double, I write on the side of studying for a successful career, I plan on working through a bachelor’s then holding two jobs. I will by age 40-50 be a millionaire, and then be more of a millionaire.
I'm not convinced by the arguments in this video. Nobody has to be tricked into thinking 9 to 5 jobs are shit by influencers, it's a conclusion that anyone who has ever worked one will have quickly reached all by themselves. They provide stability and security for people with families to feed, and that does have a lot of value, but it comes with a heavy cost to your mental health. The wasted hours, the office politics and the knowledge of how pointless your job is are all pretty much guaranteed to make you hate your life. What this video underestimates is the value of freedom. Along with the obvious benefits of flexibility that come with working for yourself there's a fundamental difference in how the work itself feels. Often people working for themselves actually make less per hour than they would at a 9 to 5, and have to work more hours overall as a result, but they don't mind as productively working for 10 hours voluntarily feels infinitely better than being mandated to do BS you hate for 8 hours. People may return to a 9 to 5 if their business fails or can't provide enough income, but hardly anyone returns if they don't have to and most people count the years until they get to stop doing them. That speaks volumes.
Everytime I have quit my 9-5 I've been a lot happier. I work on my own side businesses or take on my own clients. But I work on my time. When I'm not in a 9-5 or working for clients, I'm building my business living frugally off the money I've saved up. A suburban house with a white picket fence isn't something that sparks a fire in me. Maccas run at 4am or the freedom of not having to be in a certain place at a certain time every day. That if I want the day off I can take the day off, and not have to deal with shitty bosses, colleagues, or the structure in general. That's A lot more appealing to me than a 9-5 I would rather live on less money, with more freedom, than earn more money, but give up my times to someone else for 10 hours a day.
better poor than a slave... after working 20 years in several 9-5s i can say they suck... you will never reach your dreams and will always be afraid of being unemployed... yet, life is so absurd a few years later after quitting my job i now feel financially safer, without debt and didn't have to work for it...
This guy definitely took the blue pill. As a small business owner, I can tell you it is very difficult and there are day I wish I was just an employee, but at the end of the day it’s mine. Point is, there are pros and cons on both sides, and if you can have gratitude where you are, life can be sweet.
My dream is to literally wake up go to the gym, shower, eat breakfast. Go to work, do the bare minimum, go home, see my wife and kids. Travel on weekends because I make close to six figures. I never worry about healthcare or inconsistent pay, or working mindlessly for years for free trying to be self employed. So tired of struggling everyday. Can’t wait to graduate college and live stress free because money is not an issue, my social life will get way better with money since I already built those relationships, I now just want to experience the beauty of life with them. Man I can’t wait to work the 9-5. Anyways I feel better venting lmao
@@PeaceeTV_ debt, companies asking for way too much experience, low pay and the fact that most graduates cant even find work on their field I wish the best of luck for you my dude but dont expect this to give you financial freedom
I hear your concerns and appreciate your perspective. I come from poverty and only one person in my entire household and other family graduated from college. So my perspective is kinda bias. Also I’m getting a degree in computer science so I’m pretty optimistic about my post graduate future. Nevertheless, I hope you find a happy/comfortable life for you
Its not just 9-5 , 4 hours of commutation, 2 hours of preparation, toxic workplace culture, favouritism, nepotism, peanuts as salary is what makes it a living hell , better to have low salary and a lots of free time than to have no free time and no money .
Which is why this platform is full of influencers who jumped ship at their 9-5 the second their channel became viable enough to support them full time 😂 suffice it to say, I disagree. Disadvantages lie on every path but not all disadvantages are equal.
I work with lawyers everyday and I would not trade my “9-5” paycheck for theirs. They work an insane amount of hours in order to make the money they do. The ones that make it to Partner work the insane hours and their reward is only to get the chance to work even more of those hours.
I want a 3 day , 24 hour week. That's the amount of work im willing to do without it sucking my soul . And i want 70k a year for it. Fortunately i am 46 and have the skills to get that. But it was a long road of sleepless nights and soul sucking violence.
For me, 9-5 is nice as long as the employer treats employer right. Being compensated properly, benefits present, management understanding boundaries between work and home. Dont talk work on the weekends save it for monday! My job right now sucks, but if I can find a boring job that I can hang in it, or just a work that all workers are treated with respect and dignity. I'm all for it. Just not with bad bosses who exploits employees...
This is a great video and a way under-promoted message on TH-cam. I don't think plans of owning your own business would be something to frown upon, but the over incessant call for it on social media would have one believe the ONLY way to live is by working for yourself and if you're not you're watching the good life pass by. Thanks for the message, and we should be grateful our "9-5" is as flexible as it has ever been these days.
I love my job. I'm grateful for the opportunity to provide for my family through the income I make. I'm grateful for being useful to society through the work I do. I like my boss, and the ppl I work with.
I was lucky enough to bag in my first job as a web developer working remotely because of the pandemic. Now every employer that demands in office work is a hard pass for me.
Same for me and my gf. And her conservative mom is so pissed about it it's hilarious. She has a boss = god kind of attitude. So when she hears about things like home office and flexible hours she can't wrap her head around it. She's called it "not real work" before. The reality is we have a very sought after profession therefore we can make demands like this. It's nice when the free market is on your side.
6 hour workdays would honestly make so much more sense in so many fields. Most people just don't have the ability to think at a high level for 8 hours straight and most jobs don't provide 8 hours of work. Cutting hours by 25% (without cutting wages) would probably make no difference at all to most companies bottom line.
I sacrificed the best years of my life for this and it did not pay out. My regret is I did not develop enough healthy relationships, or pursued a family of my own. The Career can always come later, but all these other things can't.
@@anthonyandrade5071 Cause 'they' want as much production out of you before you die as they can get. You don't need to breed, that's why they have generous immigration programs in Counties that need them.
Depends what you study I guess. But yeah life is not so good while you study. Don't know where you would find many "healthy" relationships nowadays though. You can still have a family until 50 or so but if you want enough money for retirement you need to start saving up early I would say.
@@tomlxyz Op is saying put other aspects of your life first before your career because interpersonal relationships is important and careers can come later. You can then deduce from my reply, unless you live in a bubble, that a lot of people say to put your career first because you can focus on other things later. Also, do I look like I am a subject of the Truman show? How the fuck am I suppose to "show proof" of real life conversations? Yeah let me just pull up the convo-fax machine of my parents raising me to put my career above everything. Did you forget people have lives outside of the internet?
Start by working for a business, learn how the business works, then after a few years start your own business and you'll have a higher chances of success running your own.
Easy to get into office work through IT... no degree needed. Project Management is another one that doesn't require a degree (again, especially in IT.) Business Analysis is another good one. The hardest part if you are on the outside and want to get in is learning the language so you know what different things mean. If you can find a mentor, they should be able to explain things, and it's not too hard from there. Some practical tips for anyone who has watched this and feels hopeless after the "drop 100k on a degree" segment. There's really no need, I got in from a working class background. The hardest part is really finding a mentor and learning the stupid names for things.
I just love how this guy is telling people why the mainstream idea of jobs is the right idea. I love it because he uses convincing arguments and evidence.
These past few days watching my crypto portfolio decline is very disheartening. Holding doesn't really profit much. Any ideas on how to earn better on the short run?
@Alexander Wheeler Wow buddy, that's more than a mouthful of profits you're making. How do you achieve this feat consistently? You must be a genius in trading.
@Alexander Wheeler I've always had a keen interest in the market, but I'm not sure how to approach it. That's a real success story in my opinion, please are you giving her your money or your coin?
@Alexander Wheeler Cryptocurrency has plenty of opportunities to earn a decent payout, with the right skills and proper understanding of how the market works.
I hope everyone has a chance to love their job at some point. I hated my job as a CSR for 9 years but stomached it because the benefits and were great and it was union. Now I’ve finally moved to a different job within the same company as a clerk for the same pay and we work 6:30am-3am and I can finally say I love my job, once it’s 3pm, whatever it is isn’t my problem lol
For me, the absolute worst part of 9-5 is the time when it happens. Forcing myself to be anywhere outside of my house even as late as 10am is a very stressful experience every single time if you're naturally a night owl. My biggest issue is that 9-5 jobs make me feel sick, causing my physical and mental health to tank because I just cannot fall asleep early enough without having to drug myself. We need more evening jobs for night part of the society. x_x
I'm a hopeless nightowl, so that is my gripe with 9-5. Meaning I'm working towards becoming a programmer so I can work graveyard shifts. I have a vague goal of starting my own thing in 10+ years time, but for now the focus is all on knowledge and experience, and working my ass off. Which is pretty fun actually, because I enjoy this shit.
Honestly, same. But what seems to work for me is staring into the general direction of the sun to get a stronger circadian rhythm and having an obligation to regularly be somewhere actually brings some stability into my life. Also, if that doesn't work, you could try antidepressants. I know this because of a past hobby interest in neuroscience. Serotonin actually strongly enhances the circadian rhythm such that you're actually sleepy at night. Nightowls like us have a weak circadian rhythm signal because we differ from others due to a low serotonin signaling brain. (which I don't buy is depression, because I feel quite good, actually) I've actually found it quite surprising how strongly it hits in others.
Honestly the idea of 9-5 started getting a bad name for itself when all the gurus was using it to sell their courses. Here in Aus im working afternoon shift with people that came straight from the morning work for extra cash. Ofcourse a business sounds good but its not for everyone so hard work still better then day dreaming or scrolling tiktok
I personally think that a generic 9-5 for the average joe is great is you have a good manager, good pay, good benefits, good colleagues and a reasonable amount of flexibility.
The 9-5 isn't the issue. It's the cost of living, with low pay that bothers me. It's the 10-12 hour shifts, with mandatory over time that bothers me. (Labor that wears you down to the point where you are now spending "extra" money/and or insurance on healthcare, and other things to help upkeep your body.. More so than one would normally have to, of course without "extra" pay). It's the hour plus commute (one way) to find a decent paying job, that bothers me. (Which means you now have to own a car and all of the expenses that come with one, or take public transportation... in which, can be It's own beast).
for me its about achivement, in a 9-5 iam just some bullshit worker who could be replaced anytime doing something that fills the bags of the "big guys", having my own company would mean that iam working towards something for my own interests, and because most of your time is spent in your job/ carreer i think iam better off working for myself.
I used to be a Manager/Sr. Manager within the insurance industry and I can say this is 100% correct. Even worked for a Tech company from San Fran and this is nothing but spot on. The big salaries look appealing until your body/mind cannot keep the 60-80 week pace - most times aren’t worth the stress.
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Nothing is better than a 9-5 with a good manager.
Nothing is worse than a 9-5 with a bad manager.
99% my experience has been good manager male, bad manager female. EO law's are the biggest part of why many jobs suck that could be amazing.
@@JudeMichaelPeterson, me too i had many good male manager and rarely have a good female manager.
@@JudeMichaelPeterson I work in a company who definitely doesn't have EO if I look at gender distribution, I've never had a problem with female managers
Female managers are terrible
Women managers tend to either exercise a tyranny of micromanagement or a tyranny of mercy. The tyranny of micromanaging is bad if you are one of the people who gets on their bad side for some emotional and non-work related reason, or if they just hate everyone. The tyranny of mercy can be fine if all of the people under them are good workers without management since the manager who has a tyranny of mercy will leave everyone alone to do their jobs. The tyranny of mercy gets terrible when you don't have good co-workers and the woman manager is a tyranny of mercy type female manager and so she is too timid to make the disciplinary corrections that need to be made. The only good women managers I've ever had were the tyranny of mercy types when I was working in environments where everyone knew what to do and did it well on their own because they left us alone to do our jobs well. Even those managers were not so much good at managing though but good at leaving us alone because we didn't need managing, if anything came up that was relationally difficult, you could never count on a manager like that because they are too timid.
Working as a software developer at a large corporate tech company I’ve realized the work does not matter at all. All that matters is you make your boss look good to his bosses when the time comes. In return he makes sure I get bonuses and raises. If I work hard but it’s not noticed it doesn’t matter.
spoilers: he learned this shit from his own boss, who is doing the same thing, all the way up the chain
at the top of the chain: turns out the entire tech company was a pump and dump appearance over substance scam anyways
hence the culture LOL "you actually thought we were a real company?!?!?!?"
@Jason Green at most Im coding for four hours. Most of the work is meeting with other teams or users to figure out what to do and how it should be done
@dutope you obviously never worked as a software developer to Understand they don’t code 8 hours straight .
@dutope I’m thankful too for being able to make 6 figures sitting behind a desk “coding all day”.
@dutope I’ll do that and enjoy my six figures anyday 🤷♂️
The 9-5 isn't the problem. It's the commuting and bad management
What’s wrong with commuting?
@@zacharia4061 time wasted as it will not be paid and also will not provide any value to the society.
@@zacharia4061 I live in new York. Most people commute is 2-4 hours every day.
And the wage, wage is the other problem
Truth, I just had to ask my husband if he secretly posted this. Most times commuting is dead time and unnecessary stress.
Says the man who left a 9-5 to run this TH-cam channel.
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If you're thinking about saying that he worked much more than 40 hours per week, stop. Notice that there are already 40+ replies in this thread. Read some of them. At least 30 of them are already saying the same thing. There is no discussion here, just 40 people all saying the exact same thing. This was a snarky joke and all of you missed that.
Isn't it would be the ideal case as he know both of the system overall.
seriously he's not being legit
TH-cam is a pretty trash career too though, I did it for a while, you dont really own the business, and theyll throttle your views even if you were doing well at some point. It;'s not evergreen like it's cracked up to be
Survivorship Bias
I've noticed a lot of self employed people have this mindset where they genuinely convince themselves employees have it easier. Makes you wonder why they don't just dissolve their business and apply for a job if it's so great 🤔
@@fadedpages many actually do, what do you think all the folks who had a failed business did?
The 9-5 40 hour a week job was great when there was job security, good wages, affordable living costs, a distinct boundary between work and free time and a comfortable retirement after decades of working.
Even an unpleasant job can be tolerated as long as it facilitates a decent life.
The problem is that almost none of those perks exist nowadays. So it's just an exhausting grind.
When I'm not on call and I tell boss not to call me when I'm off duty. Then I get a veiled "I'm about to make your job insufferable," threat.
Those things never existed, we never made more money than we make now. We never had as much free disposable income as we do now. We have never worked less than we do now.
@@tropinnka who is "we"? Certainly not us.
@@bl8388 Lots of comments like that here. I wonder I'm so lucky that I actually work in a place where work life balance is well respected. I seldom need to worry about working 'after hours'. Let alone 'be available'.
@@tropinnkadamn bro what you smoking
As a European, I understand why especially Americans are unhappy with the typical 9-5 job. Putting in a lot of hours, being asked to be available in your 'free' time, commuting, having a set amount of sick days(?!), and very limited vacation time. That is not a very great sales pitch if you furthermore aren't being paid that well. However, while hustle culture is obviously also desired and idolized in many places in Europe, I think a larger number of people are actually very content with the security and benefits of a traditional job. It should be a movement towards better workplace conditions; not necessarily a movement towards 'hustling' harder and taking on a lot of risk.
America is different.
It’s not just the craptacular healthcare benefits
It’s also the mindset and possibly the delusion that working harder is always rewarded and the that tomorrow has to be greater than today. But it’s a very cutthroat mercenary philosophy.
It helps that the USA is the European military.
Doesn't Europe have more unemployment, way lower average wages, nearly the same average hours worked per week across the board, and on average longer commutes (OECD)? I don't know if I'd trade making more money and commuting less for more vacation time. But Ignoring all of that, the angst people have here isn't from the amount of sick days you have (which is nice but definitely isn't make or break for most people) or even hustle culture which isn't even a thing for a majority of the workforce, but the work that you actually do. Our parents were fine with monotony, we're not, although it seems many are learning to love it....
@@fatboyRAY24 i don't think that the salaries are necessarily lower in Europe, at least not throughout (the west surely surpasses the east in this regard though). You do have to take into account the fact that salaries here aren't gross salaries, but net, so after taxes. Plus the fact that having a car isn't mandatory due to okay-ish overall transportation system, so there s a ton of money saved there in terms of gas and the price of the car. Small things like that add up to better quality of life, especially in the west.
@@fatboyRAY24 no us workers work way more hours in a year. Yes my pay would double if I moved to the us but I would have to live in the us. I can't get fired in Germany it's a long process even if I don't work I only can get a warning. I have vacation can be sick how long I want.
"Work your job to make your money, take that money to finance your hobby"
That's what I heard.
@Notrius nobody is making 90k a month as a pilot lol
@Insufficent Funds Noone really has 8 hours of downtime after working after travelling, taking care of the kids, cooking, cleaning etc. Also most people decide to go sleep early cos they so tired
@@anthonyfaucy2761You need discipline. I work longer than 40 hours with a 400 mile commute and I still have time for hobbies. My friend has a son and she works 40 hours and has time for her hobbies.
Everything is on a set time frame. When it comes to kids, each partner respects the other partner by taking the kid of their hands for two hours.
When my friend gets home from work, she has two allocated hours away from her son. When her son and his father comes home, that is happy time for her son where she spends two hours with him, giving her husband two hours away from their son. At the end of the day, it's together time as well as morning time too.
I come home from work and spend time with my husband. When 8 PM comes around, all work is done as is my time until 10 PM when I go to sleep. If anyone wants anything done and it's after 8, either do it yourself or wait until tomorrow evening.
The few times I do have a 40 hour week cause it's a holiday, I have time for my hobby during the morning before work, then treadmill after work.
It takes discipline and telling your partner to respect your "me time" and to share the house work load.
9-5 is actually 7-6. Counting the time you need to get dressed, commute (x2), plus if you have to do off job studying, off hour thinking about the job, dry cleaning/maintaining your clothing/equipment, etc, etc. how about the happy hours, obligatory social events to play the politics, time used to prepare/bring dish to potlucks, etc. Also, job hunting, onboarding, exit, career strategizing, etc.
Or the unreimbursed “overtime” hours to get a project done because management purposely low-balled their number for the man hours and it’s taken out on your hide. THEN, after spending all that extra unreimbursed time to get the poorly managed project completed by the deadline, you have the “audacity” to take an hour of regular office time to go to the dentist. Memory is short, and that hour that you took for the dentist comes directly out of your PTO time. F that
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Why don’t you just make it the law that you don’t have to work long hours? Vote for politicians that will cut student loan debts and long working hours.
So you just don't get dressed or clean your clothes unless the company requires you to?
@@GT-tj1qg I work in investment banking. Do most people just casually wake up and dress themselves up in three-piece suits?
I just left my restaurant manager job for a 9-5, and its been a breath of fresh air. I worked 10am-3am 5-6 days a week chasing the idea of being promoted to a cushy 6 figure upper management role. But sacrificing my marriage, my friends, my hobbies, and all my weekends wasn't worth it anymore. I make less money now but I'm infinitely happier than I was before.
Red flags for companies that hire are when they require you do overtime and be available for weekends let alone want you to relocate means they cant keep employees and that says alot.
Damn bro I’m a fine dining waiter and make 120-150k(6k every two weeks) and I only work 30 hours a week typically from 3pm to 9pm.
You might’ve hated it by going the management route, I have a degree in business management, and have been in restaurants 10+ years, I’ll never be a manager haha. Paid less and longer hours.
Restaurants are the only industry besides like the NFL where employees make more than managers
@@jacob5058 I don’t mind if the pay is worth it. That’s why blue collar like to work overtime because the overtime is what pays the bills.
@@dalton6108 That's terrible though. I thought that the whole point of the regular time was to pay the bills? I used to work in landscaping and once I saw how much I had to bust my butt to make what the guys who worked in places with air-conditioning made, I was determined to take school seriously to get a job that I could be physically comfortable and do.
@@jacob5058 I'm okay with overtime as long as its paid. Unpaid overtime is being exploited tho
Nobody makes me feel quite as comfortable in my mediocrity as you do. Thanks bro
Same here
Sometimes I hate my job until I remind myself that I have a job where I can start whenever I want and work how long I want. As long as I get 40hours of work done in a week I am free to go
I can also work remotely from wherever I want.
But like all humans do I find something to be mad about XD
Same bruh
This. Lmao!
@@MrSeuchenratte where do you get such dream jobs?
@@jaylogu5675 Bro i don't know either XD
I got randomly very lucky. I work as an e-commerce manager for a small Dutch company.
I basically take care of the Amazon account, upload new products, improve the images, titles, etc.
They are pretty chill
“People don’t quit jobs, they quit bosses” excellent point.
Having grown up in a family of business owners and working in business banking as well as business insurance, I feel I am well qualified to speak on this subject. The dedication & sacrifice that goes into owning your own business is grossly misunderstood by many people. I'll state some of the advantages; you create your own schedule, you control your own salary, you get to take pride in something that is truly yours. These are all great. But most think that if you're the owner, you get to automatically buy the fancy car, go golfing everyday and sit in the back counting your money. In reality, it takes many years of endless work to get to this point. As the owner, you are always on the clock. You're not stuck at a desk from 9-5 but guess what, your responsibilities to the business and your employees is a 24 hour gig. You get the call when you're on vacation that your key employee is in the hospital because they got in a major car crash. Say you have 10 employees, thats not 10 mouths your feeding; thats more like 30-40 mouths your feeding. If you can't keep the business profitable, not only do you lose it all, but those who mean the world to you do as well. When the bank can't extend you any additional credit, there is nobody to run to. Nobody else is there to pick up the pieces. How about that beautiful house you worked to pay off? All of a sudden you're taking out an equity loan because your insurance company denied your $100k claim on a bull shit technicality. All of this and hundreds of other things are in play everyday and if you play your cards right and work your balls off for years, you can surely be successful one day. These are all examples of events/scenarios I have seen and dealt with both in my family and working with multiple business owners. Do not ever, discredit the benefits of a 9-5 job. If it pays ok and allows you to buy a home, save up a bit and enjoy yourself, you're ahead of the game because when you walk out that door, you're away from work and the responsibility for the time being. As the business owner, you are never away from it. Sorry for the long comment but this topic really gets me going.
Thank you.
I am a business owner and shit is not easy while everyone partying I have to be at my store. So it’s like slavery but I don’t think I would wanna work for someone else
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I mean is it that bad tho being a business owner. I don't know why I can't just buy this idea of starting a business being hard. I mean its difficult truth but not soooo hard. I just feel its exagerrated.
I mean with proper planning and strategizing you should know how you would earn revenue to become profitable that's all it comes down to.
I have never ran a business tho so I guess till then...
@@dave1T it’s not easy but it’s definitely not as much of a risk as working 9-5. If you work a 9-5 one bad day can end your livelihood.
The reason I don’t dream about being self employed, is because both my parents were self employed. Other than the top 1% of small companies, self employed just means working 24/7 for no guarantee of money, and usually for less than a 9 to 5. I rarely saw my parents during my childhood because they were worried about the bills being paid. During Christmas they were working, during spring break they were working, every day at 10pm they were working…all so that at the end of the year, they couldn’t afford Christmas presents. By the time they had regretted their decision they were in too far. How do you abandon a company you’ve spent a decade building? When you’ve just managed to break even with average wages? When your child has already grown up and moved out having barely known you?
I think it’s incredibly arrogant that people think they’ll be the 1% of small businesses that goes public and sells for millions. Because the lower 99% are working twice as hard as you are in your day job too. Everyone thinks they’ll be a 1%er until they realize hard work doesn’t lead to success, it’s luck, market and clients, and none of them want the best for you.
I agree people either underestimate or overestimate luck. But I always say luck is preparation meets opportunity. Also sorry for you and your family.
Sucks your parents ruined a potential dream life for you because their business was shit. Started a business, multi 6 figures and im never working a bloody 9-5
This is true, I have a friend who’s a graphic designer. He’s obsessed with being a business owner. But he is constantly stressed out. He makes good money, sure, but he easily works 70 hours a week, probably more. No thanks.
💯 ppl become delusional.. it’s important to be realistic.
Sorry you had to go through all that. It's gotta leave an impact.
After the covid lockdowns I realized I didn't actually hate my 9-5, I just hated the commute...
That's why I moved so it's only 10 minutes
People that worked multiple jobs can tell you that 9-5 jobs aren't the problem, bad working environment is the problem (being it the boss, the company culture, the clients...)
I think for most people in general that’s definitely true, but for me I feel so confined having to work at a set time.
This is true. I’ve worked over 30 + jobs in my life more than my age and I finally found a place where I’m happy, they’re super flexible, the conditions are great, I have a lot of freedom, etc. It’s at a well known media company as well so I feel tech/media is key to get this type of environment. Trust me I’ve done them all lol. It’ll be 4 years in December - which is a milestone! The longest I’ve ever stayed at a job was a year.
9-5 is euphemism to the anti human grind of the capitalist workplace.
Worked multiple jobs, some were closer to home (literally 5 min travel) and other were not. I can tell you that every single job is mentally taxing due to the fact that 1 screw up, 1 bad day for the boss and its OVER.
Even with good bosses I still think 9-5 or whatever job it is its still terrible. In reality its 7 or 8 to 6-7. That's only the times it takes you to prepare for the job and/or get to it. In reality it's not 8 hours you're wasting on that job but rather 10-11.
The best option and the one I'm currently at (which is possible for me) is a remote job with flexible time that doesn't require my full 8 hour presence. You do your job and you're out. You chose at what time of the day to do it so you DO IT. Everything I hated at my past jobs is how much time I waste and how many insignificant conversations I'm forced to have with people.
The idea of simply not working until you're fired is just incredibly funny to me.
I mean pay enough attention and work enough to keep your job, especially at some companies where the max they'll pay employees is 60k, or some under the average amount. Its really like 'Im living but also dieing' taking the jump to the new company might really put you in a bigger hole, but staying is definitely putting you in a hole so why bother.
@@alexroge6495 how will they see..?
@@alexroge6495 Majority dont check you're job past, or call your job. Show them you're work but list the contact info and they'll just glance over them, also wont know how long it took you to do it. Many people just say their currently employees to the job they quit/fired from
@@alexroge6495 In reality, you're seldom fired 'fired' in large companies. They just start to pressure you into quitting voluntarily. In specific cases, they literally negotiate compensation with you for that. The modern corporate world is highly beneficial and convenient for the employees once you get the hang of it. It's funny, actually.
Would probably work a bit too well in Europe
It's not "You need to work to live" anymore, It's "You need to work to not die". These days it just seems like you work to work, because the 'live' part of the equation, as defined by things like a vacation, a house, a family, a retirement, seem less and less plausible. I would appreciate my 9 to 5's more if they seemed like they were doing anything other than keeping me in position to work my 9 to 5's.
Yeah… Also, generally wasting 8+ hours per day every day is insane. “Cheating the system” or not…
Defining "live" as having vacations and fancy shit was never anything other than a fever dream conjured up by American marketers during the peak of US power and influence. Work has always been about survival for all people in all history. We already enjoy more luxury than any culture before us.
@@talknight2 not even close man… all I want to do is enjoy a natural environment and relax but it’s very difficult after decades of industrialization.
@@haedrichowen You can, go and enjoy the outdoors, no one is stopping you. Move out from the cities. Believe it or not there is far more nature than city in the world. Industrialization has pulled most people out of poverty. People 100 years ago dreamed of living in our current circumstances, and now here we are complaining about it.
@@TheBanjoShowOfficial moving from the city costs a lot I am trying
The irony is that, I turned my career as a youtuber into a 9-5 despite everyone wanting to become a youtuber to escape it (myself included). 9-5 lifestyle is actually quite nice. I get to enjoy my weekends without thinking about work.
Wdym you only play Genshin/LoL 8 hrs a day? 😏
My good paying job makes me work weekends. Six figures is nice but I wake up thinking "I should knock some work out right now" instead of actually investing into my lifestyle outside of work
@@rknp96 My worst nightmare
9-5 workday is ok. But shouldn’t be more than 4 days a week (US economy).
Didn't expect to see you here.
I tried the whole independent business/freelancer schtick a few years ago. Took me about 2 months to realize just putting in 8 hours a day and going home is so much easier. I spent almost a year stressed out of my mind just because I was working from home with no predefined daily schedule - there was always more work I still hadn't done! Then I went and got a 3-year degree, now I work in a clinic for 8 hours a day and go home with my mind at ease. Even moved out of the metropolis to a small mountain town to shorten my commute to 15 minutes.
Sounds like a definite improvement. But how much did the degree cost? Now that you're having a better life, is this debt a problem.
Also some people fail their degree, or get the wrong degree that doesnt pay them back.
So , congratulations, but it ain't always that smooth.
Pros and cons to both sides. There is something nice about clocking out and leaving work at work. When you own even just a small/one man business your mind is always on something
Sounds like a quitter
Good for you! So many forget there's a difference between owning your own business and being self employed. The latter is a lot rougher.
@@NoName-to5xl Fail your degree? Do your reaserch on how hard the school isbefore attending, if you think you can't handle it, choose another one. Get the wrong degree? 20 second google search.
"I want to start my own business so I can be my own boss"
I thought this would be true, but after starting my own business I learned that that's an illusion. My new boss is my clients, and some of them are worse than any boss I had in the corporate world. If this is your main motivation to start a business, you're better off with a boss. Just try to find a good one to work for.
EDIT: That's not to mention that the government becomes more of your boss, as well. You have to make sure you comply with all of their laws. Employees are shielded from most client demands and government regulations and tax codes by their bosses. I'm not saying it's not worth it, I'm just saying that you're going to need a better reason than being "your own boss"
My parents owned businesses while I was growing up. Made me want to never follow in those footsteps. I'm perfectly content working hard for someone else for a set part of the day, and then never worrying about it outside those hours.
Very true
I hear you. Owning a business is 24/7 your life lol
Agreed. I work a typical 9-5 job and have a great relationship with my two bosses (owners of the company). The business is essentially their life. They are often forced to sacrifice their weekends and need to work ridiculous hours just to keep the business afloat. Working 9-5 has a stigma that "you work for someone else" but most people have absolutely no idea how difficult it is to run a successful business.
If you don’t care to accrue substantial wealth then yes this is the way to go. The ceiling is exponentially higher for those who start their own business, but unfortunately the risk is obviously much higher as well.
Same!! My parents run a business 8-11 or even past that some times. Growing up watching them made me realize even tho businesses have a few pros like being self employed and getting the yield of profits it's also very risky and you gotta Devote your life for that, which ain't my thing. I much rather work for someone 9-5, get my pay, spend some time w family and myself and be happy:) y'all got it floks
One thing I want to see more of in society is longer weekends. I was working a 4 days on/4 days off work-schedule for the past three years. I never knew something like that was even possible.
It went a long way towards giving me alot of free time to do what I wanted. That alone would be a game changer.
This. What most 9-5 people are missing is time for a meaningful life outside work. You aren’t allowed to “work to live” with a 9-5x5 because there is no time to live.
Weekends are spent doing chores and tasks you put off during the week, and during the week we’re lucky to have 2 hours of actual free time… time not spent getting ready for more work, shopping, or eating.
I don't think anyone would be dissatisfied with their job, regardless of its difficulty, if we had a mid week break. Keep Saturday and Sunday as weekends and give us Wednesday too. Therefore we only have to survive 2 days before a break.
Absolutely. We went from 16 hour days to 8 hour days, 6-7 day weeks to 5 day weeks. I always understood this as just the beginning. It was never supposed to stop there, be the end of history. Productivity has at least quadrupled in a hundred years, but instead of cutting the work week to 10 hours, or being 4 times richer, or at the very, absolute least, add 1 or 2 days to the weekend, we were bamboozled into working twice as much for the same pay (dual-incomes now being the familial necessity the single income was). High time we take back all of the progress that should have been ours for the last 100 years, high time we once again start to progressively reduce the work week.
I recently convinced my company to shift to 4 day work weeks. We're less than 2 months in, so it still feels weird. But it's awesome that they actually agreed to do it!
@@mammajamma4397 consider your self extremely lucky most companies won't even hear it. Congrats on getting what you wanted.
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There is more to life than working 9-5, trust me I know am retired now.
I believe it is better to find a career we love that challenges us while also allowing us to enjoy life.
My 9-5 pays the bills
Many of this younger generation won’t stick to a 9-5, they prefer to be their own bosses.
@@skyauden2522 True, being your own boss really helps your diversify your effort and energy into a lot of things. I sell gadgets on Amazon, also on the side l invest in stocks and also am an influencer on twitter.
@@kimhauge1792 I've always been very
interested in the market, but I'm not sure how to approach it.
I can nothing but agree.
I work Transit Security in Germany for a sub-contractor of the DB (Deutsche Bahn) and let me tell you: it is hustle culture and long hours back to front. if you don't get to around 190-210hrs/Month you are deemed weird for not pulling hours on end.
Honestly this is crazy! I am 22 and have been non-stop working since 18; I am already drained dry pulling constant 220hrs/month for approx 3 years - now I am starting to go low onto 168hrs (tariff minimum) and it feels amazing. I finally have time, space and energy to reflect on my life and personality and have quality time with my fiancé, which I couldn't do before.
To anyone reading this: please don't do the same mistakes as I and many others did; respect your personal wellbeing and mental health above some cash on the bank or neat unnecessary stuff to buy.
And also don't get scammed, working long hours for little pay; it should not be that way.
(almost literally) Buy yourself some free time.
I am changing employers for exactly that reason: regulated work schedules, more vacation, less back-to-back workdays, more me-time.
9-5 is fine, but should be 4 days a week now instead of 5.
Yea I do 4 way more happy then doing 5! Cause I felt like I could do so much in two days
3 days a week
3 days a week
Part time job + creativity:
I just wanna say that I'm now doing a 15 hour workweek with the addition of some design royalties and photography work and I'm actually going okay financially. This is huge to me, I didn't realize how much freedom a boring customer service job would give me. I'm blessed with low rent and a meaningful flexible company so I'm really priviledged, but I want to say I didn't think it was possible and now it turns out to be.
I always abhorred the idea of a part time boring job thinking it would prevent me from persuing my creativity, but the emotional stability of a basic income and showing up every time at the same time meeting the same friendly people turns out to be such a big stabilizing factor that the sacrifice of autonomy and yes, being managed by someone who isn't very smart, makes it worth it so far. Contributing to something bigger than myself instead of doing self motivated stuff all day is nice.
Low rent? How?
community living - which is something you should only do if you are actually in it for the community. Plus rent help from the government in my country (low incomes receive this in my country)@@tachobrenner
I love this post comment! YES! Great strategy. This is exactly my strategy right now and is how I pivoted out of corporate working structure.
Great! Good luck! Right now I'm thinking about a job change as the lack of creative input in my job is draining me. I'm thinking of switching to part time corporate work so that I can fully cover my basic income needs and then having full creative freedom on the side, but I haven't decided yet. Management changes at the office which might mean more freedom so I might stay. My manager did such a poor job but now he's leaving a lot of good stuff is happening.@@AnomalyBelleza
Some based free man finally
I'm the lazy person who only wants to do bare minimum so 9-5 sounds pretty good to me. Yet, I also don't think I or anyone else in these jobs are actually needed for 8h. I think even 9-5 can and should be more flexible and accommodating to the lifestyle of the employee.
Yes, you can still go to your job, but does it have to be full 8h? Or can you start at 7 if that's more convenient? Or at 10 if you have an appointment in the morning? AS long as the job gets done, why do the working hours matter?
9-5 can turn into 9-7 or 9-9 easily with incompetent/lazy coworkers/managers/staff or due to increasing workload (the more you know, the more you do).
Also, getting dressed up for work and commuting to/from the office are additional “work related tasks” before even performing the real work. Companies should reward top performers to allow them to WFH more.
I will never listen to someone who is a freelancer or a business owner and would never return to an office job to tell me that working for yourself is not as good as it looks. I've heard this a billion time, and whenever I tell them why don't they just return to a 9-5 then? all of them come back to me with a blank stare and an "euEUHhh, I like what I'm doing". and here is what they don't fucking get. most people who work a 9-5 don't like what they're doing and feel they are meant to do something they like. Never, Never let anyone even this guy who I like to watch to tell you that working a 9-5 isn't a bad idea. If you believe it's not for you, It's not. Go do something else with your life.
Thank you.
If you have no one you are responsible for then sure. Most people aren’t meant for anything better they just think they are bc they overvalue themselves. It’s “fine” to try and fail when only you have to suffer but it’s not ok if you have a family
@@badart3204 It's because most people fall into line. The problem has deeper roots. And people should be authentic, but we don't teach them that from the beginning. We condition people to fall in line, work for someone else, be enslaved their entire existence, have a family and teach them exactly that, then call it "the cycle of hopeless emptiness" I am far from being the fantasizing person, I work for a company and trust me even though I like what I do, I don't like working for people. I know that working for someone else is never a good options and the reason for that is that you have 0 control of your situation. All companies I've worked for laid off people or changed the terms of contracts and this despite unions. The company will always choose what's best for itself and its existence. You are less flexible and less secure, you have less control over your time and your life, it's quiet desperation to be honest and the sad thing is that people were lead to that from age 5.
The problem with 9-5 is that it doesn’t pay enough for this economy for the majority of people
I can't bring myself to throw my life away building someone else's dreams. MY BUSINESS WILL SUCCEED OR I'll starve.
You missed one point. Owning your own business you trade one boss for another. Clients are likely going to be much tougher on you vs a boss from a 9-5. You can't really pick clients for most businesses either, unless you want a flood of bad reviews.
Your clients, your customers, your neighborhood, they are all your bosses.
Good point,,customers are the worst boss you can ever work for, they don't give a damn
That's what I tell people who say they want to buy properties and rent them out...
"I'll be my own boss..."
"Passive income..."
"Easy money..."
Nah, your tenants are now your bosses.
@@Quanic2000 Being a landlord has to be one of the worst jobs out there. There's a reason most people don't want roommates. It's that but more responsibilities of dealing with whatever idiot is living in your unit.
I work in an area where we have to deal with clients (indirectly) and someone has this joke of "work would be much easier without clients"
"Why are you doing what you're doing instead of one of these jobs?" -met with a blank stare by me, a doctor, that works way too many hours
Same here brother
Same, but as a lawyer.
We could hire an extra 100,000 doctors. But there’s a limit to how many doctors we can have
@@dalton6108 there is limit to every job.
@@dalton6108
I never bought that. The rich have trillions offshore in accounts we just don't know about. We _could_ hire that many doctors in a general societal sense, because they are objectively overworked and much of our economy is structured around feeding the gatekeeping middle men working insurance. There's not some magical doctor juice that just prevents us from having a larger supply of doctors.
It’s a little different for me, but I actually like my current job. After being self employed for 3 years, I really didn’t want to go back to a regular job. But I was in dire need of a steady income and affordable benefits. For me, it’s a good environment, and I have been doing very well. I’ve never been asked or expected to work overtime, and I have a very supportive management team, and a flexible schedule. It’s not a 6 figure job, but I’m on the way!
Anecdotally, I've actually really liked my 9 to 5 job. I had a really good boss and a really good supervisor. They were really open to listening to ideas which I was full of as a 19-year-old. They would tell me when I had a good idea and they would tell me when I didn't have a good idea and why. My supervisor had decades of experience and a ton of connections and respect in the organization that I worked for. He used his experience to help me and my coworkers weed out good and bad ideas (he understood the business needs) and he used his connections and clout to help us execute on good ideas (office politics and knowing whose help was needed, and he was able to reduce human bottlenecks because people tend to do good by those they're friends with and he was friends with everyone). A 9-5 is great in my opinion the only issue I had was a lack of freedom since I had to go into an office but now there are so many remote jobs.
what office job does a 19 year old get?
I am a 100% self taught no college debt software dev. My entry level jobs were decades ago. They weren't 6 figures back then but were still good. I can't really think of any other field where this is possible.
He mentioned that as well. I’ve been tempted to learn how to code and get into the field and do maybe data science or similar. Currently in the electrical trades.
@@BigAl4244 data science is overrated. For every 10000 dev jobs advertised, there will be 0.5 DS job. I have been in the industry for over 20 years, have been to numerous IT conferences, worked for a few companies, small and big, I am yet to see a company employing a ds. Nowadays, maybe to lure in ambitious minds and investors company slap the word data science on the good old job of database engineering. The Sql guy , you know. So if you are new to software, just aim for developer not these fluffy buzzwords. Learn one good programming language and a few bells and whistles around it, try to get the foot in the door and maybe later judge yourself if you really wanna pursue any of those other things, after scouting the market and searching what kind of job DS really involves, which companies are employed DS, what skills are they after, what's the background of many DS. Etc. Also read up on ds jobs on jobs sites, 99.9% will require php or at masters in maths/stats related subjects.
This was possible in software dev because computers are such a huge value add to almost any business. Not that many people knew how to do it either because it was such a young field and the schools hadn't built up big programs yet, so anyone who could demonstrate competency got big salaries.
This is no longer the case. The gold rush is over. Coders are a dime a dozen, they're teaching Python in elementary schools now. It's no longer enough to just know a programming language, in most technical fields now programming is just a tool in your toolbox to do your actual job. Engineers know how to program. Finance wonks know how to program. If all you know is software dev and you're entry level today, you'll be stuck making low grade phone apps or websites for beans. Learning to code is just like learning how to read in most technical fields now, it's a baseline expectation.
@@scotwilcox1771 shhhhh your breaking the gen x dream
@@scotwilcox1771 If you find the right thing, you can still get jobs just for demonstrating competency. Machine learning is one example.
Ford, was hiring engineers/mechanics who would be considered college educated, and upper middle class. They deserved to be paid more in general, and Ford used this to headhunt the best in the buisness paying 2-4x what others would make. How? By paying them enough to afford to buy his vehicles/products he not had a consumer base that did not exists before.
Are you suggesting Ford created their customers in the form of their own employees? How would that bring money into the company? That would just be a closed loop, they obviously needed primarily outside customers to profit
If an employee creates value equivalent to 2 cars for the company but you pay them the equivalent of 1 car you can sell them a car and someone else a car. Then you're basically just paying for materials.
I don't think that's how this or anything works
My 9-5 is actually a 9-6 since we have a mandatory lunch break.
Also, I spend 40 mins commuting in each direction.
Also, I spend ~2-3 hours weekly ironing my clothes because I can't sit in the same pair of sweatpants for weeks at a time.
Also, I spend more money eating at places near the workplace instead of cooking at home.
So this turns my work week into 55 hours instead of 40 if without counting the overtime that I don't get paid for.
I know I'm in the minority but the pandemic has treated me very well.
I was able to work from home for the first time ever and saw the bullshit I was in.
Now we are back in the office and it sucks. I haven't quit yet but I am considering it.
I know many people have it way worse than I do. This is just my current situation.
That's really not a job problem but a infrastructure/city planning problem. The way that the US and some other countries does zoning basically requires having long commutes. Meanwhile I only need 10 minutes.
I dry my clothes by hanging it up, no need to iron the majority of it and it's not sweatpants
@@tomlxyz i live in singapore which americans and euros on reddit love to jerk off as having perfect public transport but the average commute is still 40-50 minutes (assuming one way) same as the original post, and probably worse depending on your luck. driving may or may not cut it down by ~10-20 minutes, it's very variable
luckily we dont need to iron clothes either cos the weather is usually baking hot on the weekend
I think this is where I disagree with him. 9-5 sucks because there’s no flexibility and we know we don’t need to work so much to keep the economy working and we are worth way more the corporations then what they pay us
Yes but what are people going to do? Start a cliche business in a over saturated market? Borrow loans that will never be repaid because a business failed and over leveraged themselves? People have to find a middle ground or safety net before venturing out to different pastures because then they become bitter after several failures and end up consuming what other “entrepreneurs” keep trying to shove down their throats.
Most 9-5s aren't really 9-5 anymore anyway. These days you can come in any time between 6 and 22 to work your hours and stay in youe home office every second day. Pretty flexible if you ask me.
You know what's great? Flexitime. That's what I'm having. A lot of jobs don't require to come at exactly 9 and leave at exactly 5
@@tomlxyz what a sad comment. For several reasons.
@@tomlxyzman id rather take strict 9 to 5 than "flexible" 9 to 9 😂
A lot of places don't fire you. They ignore you. Which means you are not getting the opportunities. But if you have worked out what is going on and you are beyond the point of caring, then rather than resigning immediately, it can pay off to go with the flow and accept the benefits of the situation you are in. Sad, so sad, especially when you see duds getting ahead because they make friends with the 'right people' who ignore their laziness/incompetence. C'est la vie, it is the way of the world. Thank you for the video!
At that point, the best option is to stack money, stay as long as you can collecting “experience” that can be put on a resume, and then apply for a better job. Moving to another job is the easiest way to get a raise and higher level position.
Quit calling it a 9-5. It's an 8-5 with an hour lunch and commutes.
I have never started work at 9 and end at 5
37.5 hr weeks are very common, at least over here in austria
In Australia it's like 9-5:30
It’s correct most people don’t have what it takes to be financially independent
For that "9-5 protects you" it really does.
One of my coworkers had 3x the number of allowed attendance occurances before he was fired.
One of my other coworkers is lazy, slow, and dangerous to everyone around him. He's been like that for longer than I've been employed there.
Story time. Dangerous to those around him in what way?
@@bigchum3984 Forklift driving. He drives perfectly smooth and straight when we're going to an aisle, but as soon as he's inside it, he drives like an imbecile and moron. Knocking pallets aside, almost dropping pallets off the still, getting stuck on a pallet of grapes, which no other driver got stuck on. Dropping pallets off the still in a refrigerator, throwing the merchandise on the floor around all wildly, smashing into two trolleys hard enough to make a wall flex a foot. An actual foot. How? When we're trying to clean up the pallets on his forks he starts and stops randomly, even when we're navigating around him to get reset for spotting.
Everyone there complains about him.
Yeah, I work retail
@@bigchum3984 Probably working at a warehouse or some job that requires heavy machinery use.
Holy shit this is my current dilemma right now. This video gave life to every anxiety ridden thought I’m having about employment right now.
It depends where you are and what you need. When you have less over head like rent, kids, then it's worth while to go risk more and husstle. If you got overhead then u gotta move slower and plan further
@@markk3453 statistics would disagree with you. Married fathers are the highest earners as a demographic category. Singles actually make considerably less as a demographic category, and likewise single fathers and children less husbands. Responsibility and the selflessness of caring for a family tends to entice hard work and drive, the selfishness of no children encourages mediocrity.
@@lberhold could also be fathers are usually over 25ish and you usually get paid more the older you are. At least in my country. But idk
@@gabepee3533 if your paid based on age that’s agism. It’s illegal in the US. In the US theoretically your based on your skill and output.
Watching this from the desk of my 9 to 5 and I agree!
I just learned to live minimally, remind myself that life isn't that serious and focus on happiness and health.
Quiet quitting = fulfilling your work contract without offering anything more for free 😉
This argument for a 9-5 is so compelling. Its a good thing that I can always fall back onto a 9-5 if my future business dealings go terribly. The stability it brings is amazing. It can finance your life for the things that you enjoy more than working.
It's shocking to me that people still don't seem to understand the issue. We all know money is power, and your telling me the most sure fire way to get money is to be the type of person who would sacrifice everything, including their mental health, to get that money? No wonder all the people with power seem to be corrupt or have a screw loose, the system literally forces that kind of person to the top.
Isn't that a huge problem!?
Not that I know what the solution to it is
As an individual work for a large and profitable Tech company. Working 9-5 I make more than most doctors just by doing complex algorithms. It's a good gig especially while working remotely. The hours are more like 9-3pm. As a side hustle I run a media agency. Starting a side business while being fully employee makes it easier to no stress about money. I now make good money working part time. 9-5 jobs are get if you find a good culture.
I'll take running my own company and all that goes with it over, being a mindless, replaceable drone, simply living to make others above look good and happy, while having zero control over my own ship. 9-5 corporate jobs are only cool for a little bit. Mostly to make connections and learn the game early. After that, you find something you're truly passionate about that you can then monetize well enough to gain your freedom, flexibility, and time to live and do as you please. Some jobs are definitely better than others, but the sentiment is the same. I think most people are afraid to go out there and get and need another man telling them what to do, how to do it, and when to do it. It boills down to fear and motivation.
Many people start business because they don't really have another option. For instance, in the country I grew up in, only nationals can be lawyers, doctors, accountants, etc. So immigrants would come looking for a better life and would start a business because they didin't have other options -- it was either that or very low paying menial work. So instead, they started opening restaurants, stores, distribution companies. I started freelancing because I just couldin't get a good job. Many business are built because the owners did not get jobs or were not suitable for the whole 9-5 schtick.
I think most people wouldn’t mind working the 9-5 if they had good benefits: paid sick leave, paid vacations, decent healthcare packages, etc.
My union job has all of those and it’s worth it to stay.
Plus a CEO that actually does care about us (yes, he still makes too much money, but still, he appreciates us and listens to us).
What company / industry do you work for?
Verizon is one.
Can't afford a home, children, wife, a few luxuries, wtf is the point in working if i am living paycheck to paycheck without these things? Its a joke
Wait, it's not standard to have paid sick leave and paid vacations in the USA??
Good leadership will make you ignore a lot of things
I still quit my job was very toxic It was affecting me emotionally physically and mentally.
It’s good to see another video on this topic from you, I’ve been echoing the same thing for ages now, everyone online talks about the entrepreneurial spirit but the employee life is, in more cases than not, a much better option
Yes, do the job, collect the money, leave the door and use that money to fund your lifestyle. Not a bad way of living.
9-5 is great... if you are interested in the work you do
Your video’s are always exceptionally good. You’re clearly a unique and nuanced thinker. Glad to have found your channel. You deserve every view you get!
Influencers selling bullshit or not, 9 to 5 sucks as a life style. It gives the security of not starving, but no fulfillment and real reward.
Any lifestyle can have that flaw but msot ALSO lack security. This is barely an argument against it
It's a nice foundation to start from, especially if you were not born rich
Sounds like you just don’t like your job lol
As a person who grew up poor, believe me, I get a lot of fulfillment from having an apartment, food, and hobbies. I never once expected to get any fulfillment from a job. Jobs are supposed to suck, that’s why we get paid. Believe me, “fun” jobs that are “fulfilling” suck just as bad and are usually psychopathic nightmares.
@@chrisjohnson3967 i agree with you completely. All jobs suck but life doesnt have to end in the work place. Get the pay and enjoy your free time.
Ya know what's better than spending 40 hours a week creating excuses for an exploitative bureaucracy in exchange for a third of what you need to survive?
Working 20-30 hours a week in the privacy of your own home to make everything you need to survive with your own hands, plus a little extra to share with your neighbors.
Which is how most of the world lived through most of human history.
Exactly. Most people dont realize that for most of human history we were self reliant. We were designed to be self reliant. The modern world is ridiculous.
Having your own business doesn’t have to take as much time as the being a Dr or Engineer, eg 60 hours + per week.
You can start small and with as little as 10-20 hours per week while earning money. You just have to find the right, low cost/initial investment business. Network and find the right people, you can’t build a business alone.
I’m building my business now, sure it is taking longer but I get to spend time with my family and going on vacations.
That’s what I’m telling my parents but they force me to go college and get a bachelor for enginner. I feel like the work in the future at a 3x3 cube slavement/master ordeal Will worsen and im gonna go crazy. I am man. People need to understand there is risks from the moment you were born. Do you think people survive endlessy? That’s just stupid. We can die today in our bed time or i can die while i write this mfker shit.
I have been working in federal law enforcement for years. 60+ hour weeks, constantly changing shifts/days off, months away from home living out of hotels, insane overseas trips to extremely questionable locations, 6 months at a residential training academy in New Mexico, on call 24/7 with an agency issued phone, laptop, and car.
I often wonder what the average 9-5 office job is like.
You have it better than the 9-5 wage slaves.
@@watchWorld100 what do you think wage slave means?
Academic researchers get intellectual freedom- but they don’t get any free time, they’ll spend 80+ hours a week grinding for grants and doing science researchers. All for shit pay.
You probably get to retire early with great benefits stop your whining.
@@raz1572 who doesn't like their jobs but they are required to work to pay the bills
What most people don't realize is that in the US people that can make a very good living in the trades. I paid $0 for training, and actually got paid to learn. It took about 12 months from a low level of residential construction to being able to fully design and build a complete home. The only thing you need to get an advantage over your competitors is show up on time and sober to get your foot in the door.
Hmmm, so according to your comments most competitors are not sober when showing up, sounds like something about it keeps most sober people away or makes people take stuff
12 months from laborer to home designer? Stop spreading that bullshit. It's demeaning to people who spend years perfecting a trade.
@@seriousandy6656 I don't feel it is that demeaning. For one thing designing a house is really easy, for me anyway. I pay an structural engineer to do the calculations or use prescribed framing to build to code. Since I started in 2002 have gotten quite a bit better over the last two decades. I have primarily focused on being a remodel contractor so extensive knowledge of all the trades is required, most of which I am quite capable of preforming now that I shadowed them anytime I hired them. It's true that I went from laborer to designing and building my first house in about a year. I have also been refining all of my skills over the last 20 years relating to my career. The day you stop learning is the day your potential stops.
As if trade school doesn't cost just as much time as a degree
@@petelee2477It doesnt. Like at all. Most trade programs are 2 years or less and very inexpensive.
I think most people can put up with work they find meaningless if there's a clear path of progression and high pay, but most 9-5's don't offer that. You find yourself stuck with low pay, no path to progression, working to make someone else wealthy, performing tasks that often feel meaningless, ALL for no time to build a meaningful life outside work to make it worth while.
Wake up at 7 - 7:30 to prepare for work, get home by 6/7, you have 2-4 hours each day of actual free time to decide what to do with... most people are tired and choose to rest, clean, take care of needed tasks. The happiest employees I see are those that have free time either through 4 10 hour work days and 3 days off, or 6 hour work days. The work isn't any different usually, but having time for life is a game changer.
I work a 9-80 schedule and I love it! 9 hour work days Monday-Thursday with one Friday being 8 hours and then the following Friday off for the day. Having a three day weekend every other week is so nice and staying one extra hour per day really isn't bad at all!
You work so you don't have to, you have one steady income then use that one steady income as the bedrock for more, that's what people don't get, it's a bedrock to build off not a permanent thing that's how you use it today. Now there will be long hours, long work. Though you pull double, I write on the side of studying for a successful career, I plan on working through a bachelor’s then holding two jobs. I will by age 40-50 be a millionaire, and then be more of a millionaire.
I think the problem with 9-5 or jobs in general is the underpay or the lack of disposable income they experience.
I'm not convinced by the arguments in this video. Nobody has to be tricked into thinking 9 to 5 jobs are shit by influencers, it's a conclusion that anyone who has ever worked one will have quickly reached all by themselves. They provide stability and security for people with families to feed, and that does have a lot of value, but it comes with a heavy cost to your mental health. The wasted hours, the office politics and the knowledge of how pointless your job is are all pretty much guaranteed to make you hate your life. What this video underestimates is the value of freedom. Along with the obvious benefits of flexibility that come with working for yourself there's a fundamental difference in how the work itself feels. Often people working for themselves actually make less per hour than they would at a 9 to 5, and have to work more hours overall as a result, but they don't mind as productively working for 10 hours voluntarily feels infinitely better than being mandated to do BS you hate for 8 hours. People may return to a 9 to 5 if their business fails or can't provide enough income, but hardly anyone returns if they don't have to and most people count the years until they get to stop doing them. That speaks volumes.
Everytime I have quit my 9-5 I've been a lot happier. I work on my own side businesses or take on my own clients. But I work on my time. When I'm not in a 9-5 or working for clients, I'm building my business living frugally off the money I've saved up. A suburban house with a white picket fence isn't something that sparks a fire in me. Maccas run at 4am or the freedom of not having to be in a certain place at a certain time every day. That if I want the day off I can take the day off, and not have to deal with shitty bosses, colleagues, or the structure in general. That's A lot more appealing to me than a 9-5 I would rather live on less money, with more freedom, than earn more money, but give up my times to someone else for 10 hours a day.
better poor than a slave... after working 20 years in several 9-5s i can say they suck... you will never reach your dreams and will always be afraid of being unemployed... yet, life is so absurd a few years later after quitting my job i now feel financially safer, without debt and didn't have to work for it...
5:04 no. there is pretty much no career path that "guarantees" that you make a salary that gets you in the top 1%.
This guy definitely took the blue pill. As a small business owner, I can tell you it is very difficult and there are day I wish I was just an employee, but at the end of the day it’s mine. Point is, there are pros and cons on both sides, and if you can have gratitude where you are, life can be sweet.
You sound like Bob Sinclair
@@nolesy34 Never heard of him
@@j.i.karner1421 🎶feel the love generation
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Recently got my 8am to 4pm position after working 2nd shift from 12:00 pm to 11:00pm for 5 years. couldnt ask for anything better.
My dream is to literally wake up go to the gym, shower, eat breakfast. Go to work, do the bare minimum, go home, see my wife and kids. Travel on weekends because I make close to six figures. I never worry about healthcare or inconsistent pay, or working mindlessly for years for free trying to be self employed. So tired of struggling everyday. Can’t wait to graduate college and live stress free because money is not an issue, my social life will get way better with money since I already built those relationships, I now just want to experience the beauty of life with them. Man I can’t wait to work the 9-5. Anyways I feel better venting lmao
Man i have some bad news to tell you about graduating college...
@@valletas Reality is often disappointing...
And what’s that?
@@PeaceeTV_ debt, companies asking for way too much experience, low pay and the fact that most graduates cant even find work on their field
I wish the best of luck for you my dude but dont expect this to give you financial freedom
I hear your concerns and appreciate your perspective. I come from poverty and only one person in my entire household and other family graduated from college. So my perspective is kinda bias. Also I’m getting a degree in computer science so I’m pretty optimistic about my post graduate future. Nevertheless, I hope you find a happy/comfortable life for you
Its not just 9-5 , 4 hours of commutation, 2 hours of preparation, toxic workplace culture, favouritism, nepotism, peanuts as salary is what makes it a living hell , better to have low salary and a lots of free time than to have no free time and no money .
Which is why this platform is full of influencers who jumped ship at their 9-5 the second their channel became viable enough to support them full time 😂 suffice it to say, I disagree. Disadvantages lie on every path but not all disadvantages are equal.
I work with lawyers everyday and I would not trade my “9-5” paycheck for theirs. They work an insane amount of hours in order to make the money they do. The ones that make it to Partner work the insane hours and their reward is only to get the chance to work even more of those hours.
I want a 3 day , 24 hour week. That's the amount of work im willing to do without it sucking my soul . And i want 70k a year for it.
Fortunately i am 46 and have the skills to get that. But it was a long road of sleepless nights and soul sucking violence.
For me, 9-5 is nice as long as the employer treats employer right. Being compensated properly, benefits present, management understanding boundaries between work and home. Dont talk work on the weekends save it for monday!
My job right now sucks, but if I can find a boring job that I can hang in it, or just a work that all workers are treated with respect and dignity. I'm all for it. Just not with bad bosses who exploits employees...
This is a great video and a way under-promoted message on TH-cam. I don't think plans of owning your own business would be something to frown upon, but the over incessant call for it on social media would have one believe the ONLY way to live is by working for yourself and if you're not you're watching the good life pass by. Thanks for the message, and we should be grateful our "9-5" is as flexible as it has ever been these days.
I love my job. I'm grateful for the opportunity to provide for my family through the income I make. I'm grateful for being useful to society through the work I do. I like my boss, and the ppl I work with.
I was lucky enough to bag in my first job as a web developer working remotely because of the pandemic. Now every employer that demands in office work is a hard pass for me.
Same for me and my gf. And her conservative mom is so pissed about it it's hilarious. She has a boss = god kind of attitude. So when she hears about things like home office and flexible hours she can't wrap her head around it. She's called it "not real work" before. The reality is we have a very sought after profession therefore we can make demands like this. It's nice when the free market is on your side.
@@recarsion lol thats great keep up the good work lol
6 hour workdays would honestly make so much more sense in so many fields. Most people just don't have the ability to think at a high level for 8 hours straight and most jobs don't provide 8 hours of work. Cutting hours by 25% (without cutting wages) would probably make no difference at all to most companies bottom line.
I sacrificed the best years of my life for this and it did not pay out. My regret is I did not develop enough healthy relationships, or pursued a family of my own. The Career can always come later, but all these other things can't.
Ironically enough I have been hearing the opposite all my life.
@@anthonyandrade5071 Cause 'they' want as much production out of you before you die as they can get. You don't need to breed, that's why they have generous immigration programs in Counties that need them.
Depends what you study I guess. But yeah life is not so good while you study. Don't know where you would find many "healthy" relationships nowadays though. You can still have a family until 50 or so but if you want enough money for retirement you need to start saving up early I would say.
@@anthonyandrade5071 what did you hear exactly? And did you actually have proof for it?
@@tomlxyz Op is saying put other aspects of your life first before your career because interpersonal relationships is important and careers can come later. You can then deduce from my reply, unless you live in a bubble, that a lot of people say to put your career first because you can focus on other things later. Also, do I look like I am a subject of the Truman show? How the fuck am I suppose to "show proof" of real life conversations? Yeah let me just pull up the convo-fax machine of my parents raising me to put my career above everything. Did you forget people have lives outside of the internet?
Start by working for a business, learn how the business works, then after a few years start your own business and you'll have a higher chances of success running your own.
I would love a 9-5. I've been working minimum 10-12 hour days my whole adult life. It sucks. Be at work for 7am, now I work at 6am.
@Construction Site going from being a dishwasher to getting a desk job is quite hard. I've tried
@Construction Site 🤡
Jesus Christ did you ever at any point think to yourself “hey maybe I’m wasting my time here” ??? Like dude gtfo of there and change up
A decent paying 9-5 job is very rare these days. The job we get is 9-7 on paper and at times it becomes 9-9 without even any extra pay!
I'm so glad there's more work from home jobs. I live in New England where the weather is often really bad and sometimes I can't drive to the office.
Easy to get into office work through IT... no degree needed.
Project Management is another one that doesn't require a degree (again, especially in IT.)
Business Analysis is another good one.
The hardest part if you are on the outside and want to get in is learning the language so you know what different things mean. If you can find a mentor, they should be able to explain things, and it's not too hard from there.
Some practical tips for anyone who has watched this and feels hopeless after the "drop 100k on a degree" segment. There's really no need, I got in from a working class background. The hardest part is really finding a mentor and learning the stupid names for things.
Is that why IT sucks at pretty much every company?
People that hate office cubical horror should really see how warehouse workers and harder jobs get by.
I just love how this guy is telling people why the mainstream idea of jobs is the right idea. I love it because he uses convincing arguments and evidence.
This is the most intelligent word's I've heard.
These past few days watching my crypto portfolio decline is very disheartening. Holding doesn't really profit much. Any ideas on how to earn better on the short run?
@Alexander Wheeler Wow buddy, that's more than a mouthful of profits you're making. How do you achieve this feat consistently? You must be a genius in trading.
@Alexander Wheeler Pardon please.
@Alexander Wheeler I've always had a keen interest in the market, but I'm not sure how to approach it. That's a real success story in my opinion, please are you giving her your money or your coin?
@Alexander Wheeler Cryptocurrency has plenty of opportunities to earn a decent payout, with the right skills and proper understanding of how the market works.
As someone who works nights, weekends, holidays, 7-8 day stretches with 1 or 2 day breaks I would be ECSTATIC to have a 9-5 schedule.
I hope everyone has a chance to love their job at some point. I hated my job as a CSR for 9 years but stomached it because the benefits and were great and it was union. Now I’ve finally moved to a different job within the same company as a clerk for the same pay and we work 6:30am-3am and I can finally say I love my job, once it’s 3pm, whatever it is isn’t my problem lol
For me, the absolute worst part of 9-5 is the time when it happens. Forcing myself to be anywhere outside of my house even as late as 10am is a very stressful experience every single time if you're naturally a night owl. My biggest issue is that 9-5 jobs make me feel sick, causing my physical and mental health to tank because I just cannot fall asleep early enough without having to drug myself. We need more evening jobs for night part of the society. x_x
I'm a hopeless nightowl, so that is my gripe with 9-5. Meaning I'm working towards becoming a programmer so I can work graveyard shifts. I have a vague goal of starting my own thing in 10+ years time, but for now the focus is all on knowledge and experience, and working my ass off. Which is pretty fun actually, because I enjoy this shit.
Honestly, same. But what seems to work for me is staring into the general direction of the sun to get a stronger circadian rhythm and having an obligation to regularly be somewhere actually brings some stability into my life. Also, if that doesn't work, you could try antidepressants. I know this because of a past hobby interest in neuroscience. Serotonin actually strongly enhances the circadian rhythm such that you're actually sleepy at night. Nightowls like us have a weak circadian rhythm signal because we differ from others due to a low serotonin signaling brain. (which I don't buy is depression, because I feel quite good, actually) I've actually found it quite surprising how strongly it hits in others.
Honestly the idea of 9-5 started getting a bad name for itself when all the gurus was using it to sell their courses. Here in Aus im working afternoon shift with people that came straight from the morning work for extra cash.
Ofcourse a business sounds good but its not for everyone so hard work still better then day dreaming or scrolling tiktok
I personally think that a generic 9-5 for the average joe is great is you have a good manager, good pay, good benefits, good colleagues and a reasonable amount of flexibility.
The 9-5 isn't the issue.
It's the cost of living, with low pay that bothers me.
It's the 10-12 hour shifts, with mandatory over time that bothers me.
(Labor that wears you down to the point where you are now spending "extra" money/and or insurance on healthcare, and other things to help upkeep your body.. More so than one would normally have to, of course without "extra" pay).
It's the hour plus commute (one way) to find a decent paying job, that bothers me.
(Which means you now have to own a car and all of the expenses that come with one, or take public transportation... in which, can be It's own beast).
for me its about achivement, in a 9-5 iam just some bullshit worker who could be replaced anytime doing something that fills the bags of the "big guys", having my own company would mean that iam working towards something for my own interests, and because most of your time is spent in your job/ carreer i think iam better off working for myself.
I used to be a Manager/Sr. Manager within the insurance industry and I can say this is 100% correct. Even worked for a Tech company from San Fran and this is nothing but spot on. The big salaries look appealing until your body/mind cannot keep the 60-80 week pace - most times aren’t worth the stress.