Ridiculously OVERKILL Garmin Avionics for my Bushplane
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ส.ค. 2024
- Best part of the RANS S-21 Outbound bushplane build so far! The avionics! I explain my 'light IFR' mission and how I avoided a VOR and ILS. I describe each component of this insanely overkill setup. I have two 10 inch G3X Touch screens and a GNX 375 navigator/transponder. I also have a 2-axis autopilot and remote radio and audio panel. It's powered by a 12 volt Vertical Power solid state system. I'll also talk lights, switches, USB power, and backup battery. A huge thank you to New View Technologies' Jessica Voruda for her guidance and mentorship with this avionics project.
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0:00 Intro
0:23 Designing my paint scheme via virtual reality with an Italian sportscar designer
0:42 Thanks to New View Technologies' Jessica Voruda
1:09 Experimental Homebuilding allows for Cheaper Avionics!
1:43 Aerosport Products Carbon Fiber Instrument Panel
2:04 Backcountry mission
2:15 GAP 26 Pitot Tube
2:28 Molex USB Chargers
2:38 GAD 29 ARINC
2:51 GEA 24 Engine Monitor
3:13 GSU 25C Allows AOA
3:30 GMA 245R Audio Panel
4:03 GTR 20R Remote VHR Comm Radio
4:12 10" G3X Touch GDU 460 PFD
4:41 GMC 507 Auto Pilot Controller
5:15 GTR 200B Panel Mounted VHF Comm Radio
5:29 GNX 375 Navigator and Transponder with ADS-B In & Out
5:57 Garmin G5
6:11 10" G3X Touch MFD
6:38 GSA 28 Autopilot servos
7:20 Vertical Power PPS
7:33 Vertical Power VP-X
8:10 TCW 6aH Backup Battery
8:28 AeroLED Wig Wag Landing Lights
8:41 AVEO Powerburst NG 3-in-1 Wingtip Position Strobe Lights
9:02 ARTEX ELT 345
9:09 Ray Allen Control Stick Grips
9:32 GMU 11 Magnetometer
9:52 Switches
10:53 G3X Touch Manual Reversion
11:33 Why all Garmin
12:05 No VOR/ILS
12:24 Outro - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
Beautiful project, best in class! Like you said, feasible in an experimental, bravo!
Gracias! Lots of work left…
I’m planning to do something extremely similar: a dual screen light IFR panel (Garmin WAAS GPS only as well) with the VPX and PPS too, but with Dynon instead of Garmin for the rest. You’ll have quite a lot of panel for an S-21, but your reasoning is exactly why I want to do the same and it is going to serve you well. Can’t wait to see you dive into the install!
Sweet! Would love to see how your Dynon install goes…Good luck! Starting the harness today whoooo!
Lol. Super cool. But to be honest, that table was what was really grabbing my attention. 😉
Great video. Really love and appreciate the details you provide. Great camera work too. The quality of your videos is wonderful!
Well thank you!!! I’m glad you enjoy the quality. I’ll keep recording in 4K. It’s new to me :)
That looks amazing
That's going to be a very cool panel.
And designing the paint scheme looks fun too - back in the day (some forty years ago) we did that process with felt tips and lots of paper👍😄😄✌️
Nice job Steve, always a class job!
Thanks, Mike!
SaWeeeet. GREAT video. LOVE this set up. It is gonna ROCK when all set up.
THANK YOU for sharing this info. This will be a BIG help as I redesign my panel in my Avid Magnum. 😊
Best regards from.
CYQT 👍🇨🇦👍
Great vid. I use dual Dynon HDX.
Congratulations awesome stuff there. hello from Australia.
In my opinion you can never have too much information. Yes, a minimalist panel has it's place, but if planning to travel, give me tons of information. Looks great!
great work there man, I did a similar thing on my Eurofox, I basically copied Trent Palmer's cockpit pit so it's basically the same as his and very similar to yours. I'm still doing my training, but having and seeing an autopilot work really blew my mind, I had a Cessna 172R which had basic steam gages, so these new features in the Eurofox are incredible to say the least, I'm so excited to get to know the system better!
Awesome! I’m excited for us both! Thanks for the comment
Very Nice first off... great looking panel. This is essentially is the same package I am considering. Second... Thanks for explaining in a more straight forward manner the component integration and networking. Without doing a lot of research, its confusing how each device interlocks with one another and all the redundancy involved with, say, the auto pilot controls and accessability across the stack so to speak. Really good video!!!
Thanks for the good feedback! Glad it helped. Super fun times ahead for you sounds like. Good luck!
And I thought mine had all the doodads… Nice job Steve! I didn’t even know there was an option for auto wigwags. Those virtual circuit breakers are pretty slick to. Would also be nice to have a dome light. But hey I do have a TOGA button though🤣
Thanks again for the clip of your sweet ride! Have you ever used the TOGA button (in the RANS)? Would you prefer IDENT? Still trying to decide
@@CLEAREDDIRECT yes I’ve used the TOGO on practice approaches. Works great. I use the transponder ident on the GNX375 so as to clear up more space on the G3X’s
You might want to think of adding a physical ‘fun switch’ or AP power disconnect. The Garmin AP will have the safety ESP modes running in the background and it’s a little cumbersome to turn that off in the heat of battle. When it’s time for steep turns and high bank maneuvering you won’t want ESP intervention. Plus it’s a good backup for a quick additional AP disconnect if the one on the stick is acting up. I know it can all be done within the G3x and vertical power box…but sometimes you just want the AP off….for sure.
Great points! I sure appreciate it. I’ll take a closer look at doing that
Awesome panel, nice gear.
Thanks, man! Love your channel. You helped me mount my tires on the Matco hubs...mentioned it in the vid.
@@CLEAREDDIRECT Thats awesome thanks. Yeah finally back at my build after 4 months of travel for work. 90% done, 90% to go.
Cool idea about the VR livery. What many people do is finding you plane model in a flight sim and then swapping out the livery for your own. Also gives you a nice idea how it looks in flight. VR is included with most sims anyway.
I went dual Dynon HDX. Super easy to use.
Beautiful, literally 98% exactly what I’m putting in my RV7. Although, as I understand it, you do not need the 245 for two comms. The G3X will handle up to two comms. But, the 245 is a cool device either way.
Thank you! I don’t think that’s right… “Of course, adding a second comm radio to the suite means you’ll have to buy an audio panel to switch between the two radios during transmit, and to separate the receiver audio.” www.aviationconsumer.com/accessories/cockpitaccessories/garmin-gtr200b-comm-bluetooth-ics/
Please let me know if you find something different. Good luck with your RV-7!
As a college student, I don't even wanna think about how much that would cost in total.💀
The good news is that it’s about 1/3 the price of the exact same avionics that are certified to put in part 23 aircraft (Cessna, Piper, Beech, etc). Plus I saved about 50% by installing it myself. Overall, non unreasonable…but probably not for a college student. Good luck with your studies and thanks for watching!
Good channel Freq!
Hey JB! How’s life?
@@CLEAREDDIRECT haha always the same. I’ll hit you up off line
@@johnbutler9012 beat ya to it 😎
A&P here, I also went all Garmin in old Turbo Glasair 1- r/g, same equment except I used GTN750XI and mr. Ross's SDS EFI & E- ignition. so far 18 mounts of very a complicated avionics installation. LMAO
Thanks for the overview and explanation. Amazing panel! If you find yourself needing to complete an IPC, will you need to use a different aircraft for the precision approach requirement? (GPS WAAS is considered non-precision, even with LPV).
I’ve got my 737 for that ;)
But I’m not sure! Great question.
I’ve read that there is an AC being published next year that is actually changing the classification of LPV to be a considered precision approache instead of just APV.
Oh you & I can be friends!
Nice panel (I know...that's what she said). Affordable upgrades is one of the best things about experimental aircraft.
That aircraft livery VR design idea is super cool. Also, is there an advantage to a pitot-static mast rather than the standalone pitot tube and does it matter either performance or cost wise?
I've always prefered buttons to touch screens, easier to press a button to get what you want if you're getting bumped around. Super annoying flying IFR struggling to input a frequency or flight plan on touch screen sometimes.
Also, I'm pretty sure one of the aircraft at my flight school has that GMC 507 (or GFC 500 I guess it's called) and it is very nice to use. Helped a lot with my cross country time building for commercial. Just kept it in heading mode and used my trusty e6b, plotter, and sectional chart to plan the way ahead.
The Molex USB chargers...do you know if they are RF proof designed...in other words a lot of USB chargers are dirty they put out a lot of switching noise. It gets up the radio. Have you had a chance to test this yet?...Also where did you get them?
Mike Gearon and I in Australia are ready to purchase the avionics pack. Any chance you could share your complete order and wiring diagram? Everything you layed out in the video. We are going to buy exactly the same kit. Also, did you get the landing lights from RANS? I came in late on this S21 build but Im catching up.
Hi Mike and Nic. Happy to help. Life is a bit crazy but I’ll send along soon.
Oh yea...that’s nuts.
Did you look at approachfaststack for your wiring harnesses? Looks like a good plug-n-play option.
Nah, I always knew I wanted to wire this myself
Hey that’s cool! You’ll know what every wire is for!
Thanks for posting this. It’s almost the exact bill of materials I am planning on for my sling high wing. Did you look at the Garmin height advisor? Especially for backcountry flying. I think it would be handy.
Also, those are pretty good looking switch rockers. What brand are they, or were they custom-made?
Thanks for watching! That sling is a looker! The Garmin Height Advisor didn’t exist when I built. Considering throwing one in. I def woulda if it existed when I designed my system. Good luck!
Oh also, the rockers are from Aerosport Products. Great company
Of course. I realised the post date after commenting. Midwest panel builders did a video on the GHA as a retrofit, and it looks like it wouldn’t be too much work.
Hard to figure out what flight capabilities you lose with the gnx over the gtn. Night flying for example, assuming need gtn...?
Put simply, the GNX adds an ADS-B transponder but doesn’t have COM & NAV.
Just Curious, what does it all weigh?
Drooling 🤤 🤤🤤🤤😂👍
can't wait to start building my rans s-21...will you help me
Sure let’s do it
Price?
Like a Mike Patey build , but less spastic.
Ha! Maybe less spastic, but nowhere as “experimental”. He’s a freaking genius
You have the G5 for back up but the G3Xs both have battery back up and redundant GPS.... you have two of them, do you really need the G5?
The G5 also gives me backup ADAHRS, pitot/static, and autopilot control. If I had a second GSU 25C, I think your argument would be valid. But here’s the beauty, it’s all up to the builder!
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Makes me feel kinda silly for bemoaning aircraft spruce's prices on nut plates for my scratch built. Super nice......I'm a little jelly..
Trust me, I still bemoan spruces prices daily…and yet I still pay. Grrrrrr
Just discovered they have a small military/veteran discount which is nice
Why the back up battery first, then the master? Your on the ground, the second thing you do is the master, what function does the Back up first serve?
It tests it.
@@CLEAREDDIRECT Of course.... great SOP design. I am copying it.
Someones been watching too much mike patey! Haha 😄 🤣
Im a tech geek as well so my plane will be overkill and all glass, this day in time no reason to go old six pack
If it’s worth doing, it’s worth overdoing
Love it. True!
The VR interface for paint scheme design is an awesome idea, thanks Steve! Did your graphic designer also create the CAD model for the S-21, or did RANS supply it? I’m right now working on a 3D model for my Kitfox build - initially it was with a view to making 3D printed/painted models, but doing it in VR makes so much sense! 😎
That’s going to be a super Garmin panel to fly behind - and help ‘acclimatise’ the next-gen ‘Children of the Magenta’ to all the benefits and pitfalls* of glass cockpits. After flying behind the Garmin 3000 for a few years, I can’t speak highly enough of the ergonomics of Garmin avionics 💗 💗 💗
Does your reversion (red map) switch function by swapping PFD and MFD functions between each G3X, or does it kill power to G3X #1 to force G3X #2 into a reversionary mode?
Lastly, beautiful as your carbon panel is, how are its crash credentials? I’ve only heard carbon can be notorious for splintering and rupturing violently under overload - hence why many prefer to use imitation-carbon-wrap over aluminium panels, plasticky as that may be.
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* From experience, the SINGLE best piece of advice I can offer anyone flying a modern glass cockpits is ‘North-up on MFD map’ - or at the very least, selecting north-up at the first signs of GPS signal degradation, most often caused by a NOTAM’d military activity. The problem arises only after loss of GPS signal to the moving map - at that point, the map becomes frozen in the last-good track-up orientation. Thereafter, attempting to visualise successive (radar) headings on a non-north-up map can create an increasingly excessive mental workload/distraction, regardless of experience. I’d even argue that turning a track-up MFD map OFF and reverting to a mental model in that situation could be the safest thing to do. That said, now imagine the further additional workload a two-crew environment brings in the ensuing obligatory discussion - when neither of you are expecting a such a strong visual distraction from an otherwise very useful tool.
Blue skies! 😎
Wow thanks for your great comment! First, the manual reversion function does not kill power to the left G3X. It simply turns the MFD into a PFD when the switch is flipped. Second, I couldn’t find a 3D model so I commissioned one. Lots of great gig workers on fiverr.com