OUTSIDER ART: Raw Genius or Total Scam? (YOU DECIDE) Brut Art - Naive Art - Raw Art - Primitive Art
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Outsider Art, AKA: Brut Art, Naive Art, Raw Art or Primitive Art. Love it or hate it, there are strong opinions on both sides… And if you don’t have an opinion about it, don’t worry, you might find one in this video. 😉
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🤔 QOTD: Do you think OUTSIDER ART is inspired genius or a total scam invented by the modern art world to sell more stuff?
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It's neither raw genius..nor scam. It is simply on its own for its own sake. Outsider art is done to the satisfaction of the artist regardless of any viewers. Yes..if you've had any formal training or exposure to art training you've just been excluded from being the outsider artist category. Outsider means just that, not part of any art instruction of any kind. Self taught and individualistic. If a outsider artist stumbles upon a existing technique that is to be expected, but NO systematic instruction. If you've picked up a art instruction book from hobby lobby..poof! Your no longer outsider...if you mimicked Bob Ross on PBS back in the day..zap! Your no longer outsider. Outsider is independent, seeking expression or impression by usage of preferred materials expressed solely by that person's "innate" drive to create. No purposely guided influence from the "established" art academia.
I think you nailed it here, MxFerro, great definition. Thank you for taking the time to make a well-thought-out comment like this- I appreciate it! Thanks for watching!
VERY WELL WRITTEN 📌
My own mother is an outsider artist. She's pretty much eccentric. From her early life she was never like anyone else from what I gather...from stories, pictures and even super 8 film I've seen of her when she was young. I've had that influence growing up but my initial artistic nature was strongly rooted in classical forms...or that's what I preferred early on. I'm now more or less in both worlds creatively speaking. I prefer both worlds. I don't feel like I am ever making an excuse for brut, naive or outsider art and artists in terms of their legitimacy or abilities. You have to understand that many of these artists, like my mother, are simply 'on' and 'coming from' a different wavelength or set of mental and emotional dispositions than most other people. We have to enter their world as best we can to try to see it from their perspective through their art. They're not trying to deviate on purpose in many cases but simply striving to manifest a powerful internal urge to create. I feel that brut art is the most sincere art that there is. I often feel that to evaluate and or judge brut art from the same criteria of representational or classical forms is a waste of time really. You can't expect a cat to bark like a dog or a dog to give birth to a cat so I think people's tendency is to approach and evaluate it from the wrong or even biased standpoint. It's easy to do...we're human. But we're also reasoning beings, so try that faculty sometimes (is what I suggest to naysayers). Myself, I can be an 'abstract' artist all day long but, I can never truly be an 'outsider artist' simply because I was not born that way.
There are some really good videos on YT about outsider art and artists I'll suggest. Maybe you or your viewers might enjoy them if you haven't already seen them. There's a series called 'Journeys Into The Outside' by Jarvis Cocker. Also, 'Turning The Art World Inside Out' with Alan Yentob. And there are some snippets of a series produced by Kansas City Public Television (KCPTV) through the 90s and 00s called, 'Rare Visions And Roadside Revelations' where these three guys travelled all over the US looking for roadside, outsider, folk, brut..you name it art attractions. My mother was featured on one of their videos back in 2005. You can also still find the DVDs on Ebay or like places once in a while.
Thank you for leaving such a thoughtful comment, Jarlsoars. After making the video and then reading what other people have to say about Outsider Art, I think your point, "They're not trying to deviate on purpose in many cases but simply striving to manifest a powerful internal urge to create." Is the best way to describe it- That's how I feel as well. Thanks for watching and have a great day. 👍
I agree with you. I am an artist and also an art teacher for children with special needs. where art is applied as a therapeutic tool. but often their work is so beautiful. and beauties are born out of their honesty and our love for them. outsider is just a term coined to facilitate classification of works. but true beauty is in each of us and how about our love to appreciate the work of others. thanks for your sharing.. GBU
I think you said it perfectly here: "Outsider is just a term coined to facilitate classification of works. but true beauty is in each of us and how about our love to appreciate the work of others." I wish I would've said it that well in the video- thanks for watching!
As i understand outsider, its neither raw genius nor scam. Outsider artist make art for themselve and themselve only, they didnt do it for fame or anything, they did it because they wanted for themselves. Academic definition seems wrong since every human being have been thought art at least once in their lifetime and outsider artist clearly influenced by other famous artist. Academic world limit too much and complicated too much. Outsider never classified themselve as outsider artist, its other people classified them as outsider artist.
So in short, i never thought there is exist any outsider artist. People classifies outsider because they saw an art not for themselves, but for the artist only, making them as an outsider, a stranger to the art itself.
Thank you for taking the time to leave a thoughtful comment. I would agree- putting labels on art is silly because only the person making it can TRULY understand it. Thanks for watching. 👍
I too am a self-taught artist “outsider” but I think if the art works it works. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I usually paint until I like it them sign it lol
An acquaintance told me I was the authentic and unpretentious form of this movement. Or am I?
I live with a mental illness. I have bipolarism, dissociative identity disorder, avoidant personality disorder and suicidal behavior. I don't have a job (I couldn't keep one), I'm unmarried, I don't have kids, I only have one friend and I'm estranged from my family. I live alone for many years, only going out to buy groceries. I create artworks so that I won't kill myself. Art is the only outlet preventing me from suicide. I don't want people to see any of it because it reflects the insanity I'm in. The only way anyone will see my art is if they will visit my place which is next to impossible. I don't like social interactions. My sister once visited and told me why I don't post my artworks online or make a profit out of it. But I don't want to sell my creations, why should I sell something that I've shed loads of time and effort to make? It's for me, for my mental health.
But the thing is, I went to art school. I have a Fine Arts university degree in the best art school in my country. You know those child geniuses who can play the piano, guitar etc at the age of 5. That was me when it comes to art. I was creating photo realistic artworks when I was in kindergarten. That's what pushed me to go to art school in college, people say I was a child prodigy. Despite my chaotic, suicidal personality, I'm very good in art and it prevented me from killing myself.
Me going to art university is what makes me think if I fall under this category.
I was first introduced to Outsider Art when I was drawn to a Purvis Young painting in a junk store. I purchased it. I loved the crude materials that were used to create it. He had a 'compulsion' to create. Purvis painted on and with anything he could get his hands on. That is part of what I see in outsider art. I have seen some of the best art ever - it can be found at County Fairs - where the children's art from all over the city is shown! Paper towel collages, milk cartons, garden hoses - it's all there! Enjoyed watching how you put this piece of art together. Had no idea where you were going with it until it all came together. That is also what kept it interesting. No rules.
You've expressed the idea of "outsider art" better than I did in the video, Houdini! Thanks for watching, I appreciate it!
Just push the paint. Don't worry what people think. Don't play to the audience, just stART.
That needs to be on a shirt, "just push the paint"
I'm not academically trained, but I'm not an "outsider" either. I think we get too hung up on labels anyway. I'm just a guy that makes art because he enjoys making pleasing images and hopes others like them enough to want to own them. BTW, even before half way I was thinking "Basquiat".
Totally agree, David- labels tend to constrict creativity. (And I dig the car paintings on your channel!) 👍
I have 0 education apart from school. 0 education in art. However, in my 20s I have discovered I love to paint. I have spoken to people who have described my work as "naive". I had never heard this term prior which led me here. I truly don't care for learning to be an amazing artist for anyone but myself. I just enjoy painting and learning my own techniques :) would that make me an "outsider" because I don't don't particularly consider myself an artist at all?
Well, making a guess from what you've shared here, I'd say yes, you probably fall into the category of Naive or Outsider art. Mainly because you're self-taught and making art for yourself with no concern for selling or labeling it. And honestly, I think that's a great way to be creative- Like you said, do it because you like it and who cares what other people want to call it. Thanks for watching, Jonhothan, I appreciate it!
I dont f’ing care what people say, my audience is me.
That's a great attitude to have when it comes to making art! Bravo!
That’s right! Like Warhol said, “Rather someone likes it or not doesn’t concern you. Your job is to create more!”
The label outsider art has more to do with how the artist is FOUND in my opinion. An outsider artist is typically one who was found grown COMPLETELY outside of the art world as we know it. It also seems to always include artists who are creating with basically no prior knowledge of how to make art "correctly" or "professionally".
However I think there's nothing that actually seperates these artists from other artists. The media likes to make out outsider artists as these blissfully ignorant individuals who don't even REALIZE they are doing what they are doing. But this isn't really always true. A lot of outsider artists are just... Making art in the way they know how. Same as anyone else. I'd imagine some outsider artists actually have A LOT of knowledge about art tho, but just no applied knowledge.
Chastin, this is exactly the main idea I was trying to get across in the video- YOU NAILED IT. I wish I could've said it that succinctly and clearly in the video. 😁 Thank you for watching and taking the time to comment, I appreciate it! 👍
Great video bud, i consider myself an outsider artist
based on creative impulses alone and not pandering to gallerys etc
i think to be authentic we must draw only from pure inspiration
Yeah, just making what you want to make and not worrying about the labels is the most important thing. Thank you for watching and commenting- I appreciate it! 👍
I found that if you want your art to look more childlike, free, naive etc try painting/drawing without using your dominant hand
I've tried that experiment, it's interesting, I would recommend others give it a shot. Thanks for watching!
Yes, my answer is Hell Yes! Really enjoyed your video and sketch paint process.
Thank you, Corrine! It was a fun video to make, glad you liked it- thanks for watching!
You're totally correct: It's what we do. We create. Even people who don't think they do, do on some level. A chef, a real estate "staging" expert, an event organizer, a good teacher (I've had some who made learning fascinating-that's a real art). Good video and I enjoyed the results. :)
Thanks for watching, Naomi, and yeah, I like to think that there's art everywhere. 👍
I am not a classically trained artist so I guess I fall into the category of outsider art. I just love to paint. I believe that if you produce something that gives not only pleasure to oneself but that others appreciate its beauty, then you’ve succeeded.
That sounds like a great aspiration, Jay, I'd like to reach that level with art someday. Thanks for watching! 👍
Hello. I remember creating art in my art class when I was little. I also had coloring books. I had a spirograph set that I enjoyed very much. I still use today as well. I like your work. It's very nice. I enjoy art very much, but don't care much about the artist's private lives. I think that was their business what ever they did in private. I just like any type of art. My art work is different as well. I like it that way.😊
Cool painting. I actually started watching a Basquait vid and stopped to figure out what brut art was. Great vid
Thanks, Magnavox, I appreciate you watching and commenting!
I appreciate your outlook and shared awareness throughout the process, acknowledge by a constipated visual artist.
Thanks for watching the whole video before making a judgement. I had to do some growing in my appreciation for Art before I was ready to embrace non-traditional art. And thank you for watching and commenting!
@@SketchbookTimeMachine I acknowledge prying myself from digital to tactile media. It's a struggle without unlimited undo's. I no longer want to turn back from the initial mark that has been made. Furthermore one can only contribute more pigment to the message but never take away. a poet am I
Those unlimited undos are better than unlimited breadsticks, but the "happy accidents" of the analog set are pretty great too.
Well I guess I better have a good opinion because I fit the criteria, and so does my art.
Whauw! This is really inspiring me. Thanks ❤
I guess art is either one of self-expression, documenting (landscapes, e.g., - real or fantasy) or the combination, which can lead to many different variations, and therefore encompasses anything that we create for ourselves and/or others.
Some do it seriously, while others do it for the feeling from doing it.
What is art should be like asking, “what it life?”
IT’S ALL ART. Some we like and respect, some we don’t.
What is art? Art is Humanity - the good, the bad and the ugly.
You've said it much better than I did, SEG, thank you for your comments- appreciate it. 👍
Yo, I was just thinking of Basquiat because of your work.
Yo, that's cool to hear, Cg- his work was a unique voice!
You might want to explore mail art. It is free of most of the negatives of official art, but satisfies the desire to be seen. And it would make for good content.
I'm a big fan of mail art- been sending it to friends and fam for years. I should make a video about making some. Thanks for the idea and for watching the vid!
I do outsider art. I need to get back. I lose myself doing it and it becomes addictive.
100 percent inspired genius. Love the piece.
Dude, I really dig this one. I was the same... if there wasn’t technical prowess in the art, I thought it was garbage. I was thinking all this about visual art while I was applying the definitions of outsider art to the punk bands I was playing in. In that world, I hated polished, “well” produced, and/or music from proficient musicians. I didn’t think that it was authentic unless it was raw and came from your heart and crotch. I’m not sure exactly when I realized I was being a total hypocrite, but something clicked. I love abstract/brut/outsider art now. I feel like I get it, in that for me, it has become a visual representation of my preferred style (Reagan era hardcore punk and thrash) of playing punk rock... for lack of a better analogy. It’s raw and comes from the heart and crotch. Visceral and charged. See you in the pit!
EXACTLY! That's why I asked myself the question, "Does outsider art cover all aspects of the arts?" Music is the perfect example- especially punk and hardcore. You get it! The music comparison is another reason I'm putting more of the "outsider" edge back into my every day style of art moving forward. 🤘🏼
Out of the hundreds, if not thousands of ART videos I've seen in my life, this is the best so far. Nice job. Interestingly, although the piece you created here would qualify as "outsider", it is indeed successful because it utilizes many of the traditional art principals. You used color theory, balance, harmony, unity and variation as well as texture and value contrast. Those things are what humans innately recognize as beauty when it comes to visual art and to some extent, dance, music, film, etc. And even though "outsider" art is unorthodox, an artist will implement those traditional principals because that's what we artists do.
Out of the tens of comments I get every week, this is the best so far! Seriously though, thanks for watching and for taking the time to leave such an insightful comment- I really appreciate it.
I think what you're describing here (with which I agree) is the exact problem I was trying to work through in the video: Can someone knowingly, purposefully TRY to make Outsider Art?
Although I like how the painting turned out, and I was able to incorporate some of the ideas and aesthetics of what people traditionally call Outsider, I don't think I was successful in capturing the Outsider Mindset. I know too much about the "rules of art" and subconsciously, they crept in.
Thanks again.
Excellent piece you produced there, I’ll give it a go thanks to your inspiration..
Thanks for watching, Gary, have a great weekend!
Awesome drawing! Made me really inspired to paint. Thank you sir
Thank you, Johan! That's the best comment I can get- inspiring someone else! 👍
Very enjoyable and inspiring video. Thanks!
Thank you for watching, Cruz!
The question isn't really whether or not 'outsider art' has value as a broad category. A lot of 'outsider artists' have been geniuses. Van Gogh falls into this category; he had almost no formal training, sold only one painting in his lifetime, paid no attention to prevalent trends, and suffered from both alcoholism and numerous psychiatric disorders but painted purely from a manic compulsion to paint. I could consider myself an outsider artist because I'm mostly self taught, have no real interest in current trends and am detached from mainstream art society. But 'outsider art' is often conflated with 'naive art' and I've studied a lot of art history, follow the rules whenever I want to, and know exactly what I'm doing. The thing with Banksy, whether or not he's knowingly a scammer or in earnest, is that his stuff is crap. He is primarily a postmodern artist, and most postmodernism is worthless, aside from its inflated value to criminals involved in money laundering. He has no vision whatsoever, has mediocre skill, and his stuff has nothing to say, is passe and dull to look at. I don't see him as an 'outsider' in any way at all. His work is emblematic of what is passed off as art on a routine basis by an establishment run by postmodern ideologues. The only real 'outsider' artists nowadays are the talented artists doing their own thing who know exactly what they're doing, who are facing a wall of philistinism in the current establishment. and who are too talented to catch a break.
I appreciate your ideas and opinions on the outsider art category, Lain, thank you for watching and commenting.
@@SketchbookTimeMachine No problem.
I'll give you -$10,000,000 for that drawing.
Honestly, this is dope.
Thanks, Cameron! Lucky for you I'm having a Black Friday Sale on the 27th- you can pick that painting up for only $3,000,000! Sweet deal!
Looooove this video! Love your thoughts, love art
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Wow! Thank you, Namora! It took me a few years, but I finally changed my mind about outsider Art- It's RAW SELF-EXPRESSION! 👍
Great video! Great information and you are so funny! 🤣❤️
Thank you for watching, Valley of Breath! I like your vid thumbnails- good designs. 👍
Fancy Pants People :-) Great video!!!!!
Thank you, Bea! I appreciate you watching 👍
Really cool painting
Thank you, Serenity, and thanks for watching!
Outsider art is art made by people who have no training or went to art school. Their work is good, if not better. Going to art school, you learn someone else's ideas. These people have raw talent. I am an outside artist. I have no shame for it.
You have no idea of the real definition of outside arr.
Thank you for such a spirited reply, Marie, how fun!
I enjoyed your video. There was a time that I got some attention as a folk artist , but damn I went to art school!
Oh no! Art school was your downfall! 😁 Thank you for watching, Kcirful!
Look, the moment I saw this winged red demon on the left ( @3:27) , It was art.
For some one with no name, you've got a very discerning eye for art- thanks for watching! 👍
Art is shapeless, you give form to them, it’s yours if YOU made it.
Great piece inspired by Basquiat!
Thanks for watching!
Picasso was soooo goooood on painting somehow realistically when he was young. Though we human as we get older, do you notice how life became more abstracted? Picasso's art evolution is the best example. Nice work btw sensei. Outsider artist are beasts on coming up with colors, shapes and outlines.
I agree, Picasso's evolution is very exciting. He learned how to draw and paint the traditional way and then broke all the rules and created his own style- a great artist!
Nice.. artistic...great collace
Thank you for watching, Fast Food!
Wow not a single Thumbs Down in 3 months! There is always some fool out there giving thumbs down for no reason. I am Biodegradable Bill, (AKA Washburn Outsider Art), and I approve of your great Outsider Art and this message.
Thanks for the endorsement, Bill! Outsider work isn't for everyone (just the cool people) but that's okay, keep doin what you do. I've received a bunch of thumbs down on my other vids, but that's TH-cam for ya. 😀
This is one of the BEST videos I have ever seen !! I have been thinking about this concept for awhile and you summed it perfectly! Thank you for that. Secret handshake kr
Wow, thank you, Kimberly! I'm glad you enjoyed the vid! Quite a few of the comments are excellent and they've said it better than I did, so give 'em a quick read if you'd like a little more insight on these ideas. Thanks again for watching and commenting- I appreciate it!
Huh. I didn't know about any of this, but I guess my channel could be considered outsider dance. It even used the term raw unplanned. Thank you for the video. I learned a lot.
I learned a lot making the video as well- thanks for watching, RUD, I appreciate it!
Hahaha this came out really well. Watching this while Listening to it really does help retain and engage. Well done again
Thank you, Boikanyo, I appreciate you watching the video!
Good piece of art/humanity!
Looked good to me, good video about the topic. I make artwork that no one will ever see, I make a lot of stuff others will never see.
Thank you. I make a lot of artwork that nobody else will see as well. Drawing and painting just makes me feel better, even if I'm the only person who sees it. Thanks for watching 👍
@@SketchbookTimeMachine I have put your channel into a playlist called Outsider Art. I have ASD & it the only way I can sometimes deal with this crazy world.
@@robertjohnburton9775 Making art is good medicine.
@@SketchbookTimeMachine Perhaps the best - Cheerio
Cool painting, man 👍
Thank you! Cheers!
I love brut art and I love this painting!!! I would totally buy this on eBay.
Thanks for watching Madi! And you're in luck, you totally can buy this painting! Woohoo!
Loved ❤️ the work-Plz share the kind of paint or colours used?
Thank you for watching, ColdwristRahul. This image was made with acrylic paint and oil pastels.
I feel that the idea that some art is ingenuous and other art is just crap goes against the whole notion of outsider art. To me at least outsider art is about what is good and what's not. To me outsider at just screams "art is art that's it". There is nothing to discuss when it comes to the quality of the piece cause at the end of the day its just art. The fact that outsider art can sell for so much is both amazing and disturbing, to me it almost devalues the art itself. I think that the only thing that should matter when it comes to art is how it makes you feel not how big the price tag is. Of course its gonna be subjective that's what makes art so amazing. If I wanted objectiveness I would go to the sciences not art. When people think of what got us through history a lot of people think of the sciences, but nobody gives art the recondition it deserves. I would argue art was and still is just as important as the sciences. Artist are the unofficial and subjective record keepers. They are what gives us a glimpse into what the artist felt at the time the piece was made. The Idea that a picture is worth a million words holds true when it comes to art. Personally I have always struggled with making art of any kind as I have really bad anxiety and am afraid people would hate it and the idea of outsider art kind of relieves that stress. It makes me wanna write a song or draw. I'm my humble opinion that is the beauty of outsider art. Also I like the desert island metaphor you gave, idk what about it I liked so much but it was good.
Sorry if I was rambling and what I said above made no sense. I already knew about outsider art before watching this video. I really apricate art and the people who make it. Even if I dont personally like the work I still have a lot of respect for artist. I just kinda wanted to watch a video about outsider art because of that. thanks for the great video and keep up the good work.
Thank you, Merge, for writing such an insightful and heartfelt comment on the video. I would agree with everything you've said here and I especially like this line: "Artists are the unofficial and subjective record keepers." It's a great way to think about art! Thanks for watching!
Art is art. Trash v treasure. Up v down. Not shit v shit etc etc
This was my conclusion as well... just go with it, make the stuff you want to make and try not make any judgements about it. Thanks for watching!
"Once you go full Nummy Muffin Coocol Butter, you never go back."
---Albert Einstein
"With Nummy Muffin Coocol Butter as your muse and inspiration, what more could you possibly need to accomplish artsy-fartsiness?"
---Albert Einstein
Impartial fact checkers say..."True!"
Thanks for that amazing insight, Satan- I appreciate it! 🤘HAIL🤘
I love this subjet and I agreed with you totally! I found my own way to create, I call it "subtle art" because my art emerge from a meditative state of mind, and like you, the painting or warever made by itself, you only need to let it go. The process It´s so satisfiying may be not the result! hahaha. I study art, but I hate all these process. Teachers didn´t like manga drawing or your personal style and make awful deccisions about your art, and put you a 5 or 10 at your "abstrac" drawing... And never teach me about textile art (who is my main subjet now). Art Schools are very limited about creativity and original techniques. Now, I´m be able to FOUND MY OWN technique and art style (or lack of style), and I feel free.
I appreciate your enthusiasm, Sweetrebeldy! Thanks for watching, and good luck with your new found art technique!
@@SketchbookTimeMachine Same! Thank you!
All well and good then, art colleges in the UK. have their own agenda anyway which alienates the very people that fund the colleges, the tax payer, the whole thing's crazy
nice painting
Thank you, Harmonica S, and thanks for watching!
I like the work u did here
Thank you, Michael, I appreciate you watching and commenting. Have a great day!
exactly as you say - you ( meaning we ) decide!
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really good video
Thank you, Alexander!
Awesome video and picture, painting?
Thanks, Mathew! It was a fun one to make. 👍
The end result speaks for itself, if an art piece speaks to a person they’ll buy it.
The line between professional and scammer in modern art is a dotted line, sometimes in order to sell you have to tell the customer what they want to hear. There’s more creativity in selling this kind of stuff, then what actually went into the pieces. Basquiat Is the face of luck and squandered opportunity.
Thanks for taking the time to comment, Midnight Respawn. I agree that the bottom line for any art is if it speaks to the viewer, no matter which category the world tries to put the art into. If they like it, or are challenged by it, they will want to see/know more, and perhaps become a fan of the artist.
I'm an outsider too. Being an "Artist" wasn't even an option for my parents, so I had to learn everything by myself. I don't have an academic training either.
There are many political debates behind these artistic classifications (they started with the rise of the Impressionists in the 19th century) involving, roughly, those who hate the "bourgeois" values of the West againts those who want to learn and follow a centuries old tradition. I want to stay away from it. You have no idea how violent and hateful these controversies can be, here in France... It's crazy.
Personnaly, I want to absorb the technics of the old masters to the point where I don't have to think about them anymore... and then, maybe ignore these technics. Generaly speaking, I like abstract Art, but I prefer to create figurative Art.
By the way, if you are still inerested, here is my 2d (and last) video about my sketchbooks : th-cam.com/video/WQ5NQOXiWFA/w-d-xo.html
As a rule of thumb, consonants are silent at the end of French names. So "Basquiat" should be pronounced "Baskya". (and if you like Star Trek, "Picard" should be pronunced "Pikar")
Wow, I didn't know art controversies could be that hostile in France- thanks for the heads up. People get pretty heated about it here in the US as well. When I was younger I didn't understand outsider or abstract art. I do understand the appeal now and I'm a fan of both, but I'm with you- I prefer to create figurative art.
Damn, I knew I was pronouncing Jean-Michel's name wrong. 🙃 I thought the "t" was silent too, but then I heard other people in documentary movies pronouncing it with a hard "t" and I thought they were right. Thanks, now I know the correct way. He was an exciting artist.
Heading over to watch your next video now. 👍
@@EuropaPhoenix I agree, realism is awesome and impressive, ( I can't do it- don't have the skill ) but I prefer to make images with a stylized, rough look. (I'm gonna do a video about art styles in a couple weeks.)
Okay, enough.
When you try to justify your point art degree. Art isnt limited by rules get over yourself.
Exactly. His art school arrogance is still there, this art he did here, is contrived just like him, also what a biter, did bit Basquiats style
Awesom
Thank you for watching. 👍
From the perspective of someone relatively disconnected from art (only very surface level comprehension of style, genre and technique), I'd say art is about communication. The respect for modes of communication is important to me. If you create and break rules while doing it, I'd respect it more if it was consciously done than totally naive. That's why I watch people trained in art on youtube - for better understanding. I do get the desire for pure art though. During my English degree, my writing professor forced (going as far as fill in the blanks) a certain writing style on me. Other professors only allowed for one right answer in analysis. It caused me to become totally disillusioned with writing for a long time. So maybe now I'd write a break those bs rules, but I'd know I'd be breaking them.
Yes, communication... ideas ,feelings, experiences... all communicated through art. That's a great way to think about. And I'd say "breaking the rules" is also a form of communication. Thank you for watching and leaving such a thoughtful comment, PaperTiger- I appreciate it.
I get it too!
Thank you for watching, Pretty Pumpkin, I appreciate it! 👍
HELL YES!
Right on!
Se agradece que se trate el tema de los outsider tan poco conocido.Soy una artista art brut formó parte del libro Aullido Infinito."Gracias
Gracias por mirar, Clara, te lo agradezco. Busqué en Google Aullido Infinito, pero no pude encontrarlo.
Le recomiendo buscar en Google 'El Aullido Infinito" de la Msc.Yaysis Ojeda Becerra.Premio Memoria2013 del Centro Cultural PABLO de la Torriente Beau.Cuba.
need to create
I took one art history class. Cash me outside!
Is this Danielle Bregoli? Awesome! Somebody call Dr. Phil!
@@SketchbookTimeMachine oh hell yeah.
Question is: What is "insider" art?
Exactly. Who sets the standards and makes the rules? I enjoyed viewing your paintings- great energy! Thank you for watching.
I'd think "insider" art is deemed to be "immediately" and generally marketable because the artists have a track record developed over time, i.e., what sells is the name... and _because_ names sell, a _celebrity_ can jump the line. Example: Bob Dylan's paintings (as pedestrian and bereft of singular style IMHO) are projected (!!!) to sell well because -- ta daaaa! -- he was already famous.
@@hlcepeda yes it is mainstream art like mainstream music...the unreal sells to the masses
@@hlcepeda Well said! Thanks for watching 👍
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Art... Funny word. Somebody buy it then is art. End of discussion. I used to paint and my brother told me very clear: if u don't sell it, u r not an artist. I used to say: van Gogh didn't sold any till dead. My brother spear again: not good example to follow... Yes, I am a magnificent artist... The problem is that anybody with cash enough think the same... What a pity people don't have good taste...
Thank you for watching, Patxi. Finding an audience for your work can be very frustrating sometimes. (I can identify and sympathize with this.) But I guess the thing that really matters is that the artist themself enjoys making the art. 👍
@@SketchbookTimeMachine totally truth brother...I paint for myself, but I would like it some other people appreciate it...one day I will have my own gallery...let me see how I do it...
dangerously close to inspirational
Thanks for watching, Ripulus! Maybe some day one day I'll be the next Tony Robbins 👍
I think there is a miscommunication about what "self taught" means in outsider art context. It doesn't point to a lack of degrees and such, it points to whether you are conforming to the art principals by design. Of course incidentally fallowing those principals will happen, after all these are basics of what "looks good". Outsider artists neither adopt nor eschew these principals. They just plainly don't give a fuck.
This also brings us to intent about audiences. While people like Henry Dargar and James Hampton slaved away in obscurity, people like the band Shaggs and Daniel Johnston actively distributed there work (well more or less) and nobody can deny their outsider artist status. Shaggs was started with an expressed intent of fulfilling the prophecy of becoming famous.
The artist relationship with audiences is entirely personal and I think outsider artist definition should be entirely decoupled from that.
Thank you for such a well thought out comment, Paresh, you definitely know what you're talking about. I'm glad that someone who knows more about this topic than I do was able to explain it so well. And thanks for watching, I appreciate it.
the nuance for me is the difference between art and craft.. sure you can have training and the theory of western canon in your pinky, but it doesn’t mean your art will resonate with people.. oh, wait a minute, they always told us that you ‘have to understand’ art so dumb people cannot appreciate it.. it’s for the finest of us.. you cannot buy a pile of candy in the corner for $3 million dollars, you don’t even know it’s called postmodern.. but we are now in metamodern times, and with unprecedented free internet speech line between real and crap is a complete blur pretty much in everything.. but not in art, creating of visual expressions have no boundaries and NO ONE can tell you it’s good or bad.. you DON’T have to understand a damn thing.. it’s only about the resonance of your senses with art.. some raw art is better than some trained one, and opposite, artists are known and expensive bc they are branded like in everything, trained and raw, rubens like basquiat.. here is the real freedom without boundaries.. and ALL should create
Thank you for taking the time to leave a thoughtful comment, paneko1. I agree with your main idea here- If it resonates with you, then it's Art to you and no one else can say otherwise. I think that's a good way to think about it. Thanks for watching. 👍
@@SketchbookTimeMachine Thank you!!!
Brilliant comment! Anything can be art, it's about expressing a feeling or thought or it may be totally visceral. It's not about training or technical skills or how long it took or how much effort went into creating something. So many fall into the trap of the good or bad label, when the question should be, do I like it or does it make me feel something? I think many people are angry at the art market & the prices that works, they don't understand or like, bring in auction or galleries. That's a whole other world that exists because of greed & for exploitation.
I also think it's arrogant to say that outsider art or art brut is created by bad artists trying to exploit a trend. Is there really such a lucrative market for this style? No! And to additionally say that post modern art is rubbish is terribly short sighted. Everyone is free to feel & believe as they choose. The only question that is valid is do I like something or not.
A lot of great comments on this video, which is refreshing, whether I agree or disagree!
Outsiders don't go to clubs, it's like herding cats.
Great comment, Elli, I think you nailed it! Thanks for watching 👍
None of it matters unless the artist is a work of art.
In a perfect world, yes, but there have been many great artists who were/are scoundrels. 😉
@@SketchbookTimeMachine Scoundrels need love too.
That’s a nice piece. Similar in process to the way I work. Thanks for sharing. Basquiat became a pawn for the filthy art world.
Thanks, Bill. "Basquiat became a pawn for the filthy art world."
Yeah, pretty much... bummer. Thanks for watching! 👍
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@@SketchbookTimeMachine I was at the same boat with ya. But I'm happy I discovered art brut and I enjoy Basquiat more than some Boris Vallejo wannabe dragon slayer art...
@@SketchbookTimeMachine I have nothing against illustration etc different strokes for different people I guess
@@Lollero200q Maybe the appreciation for different styles of art is something that comes with age and experience. In many cases, exciting or interesting art is more enjoyable than technically great art in my opinion.
To look in youtube....filosofía cara caras baratas...
I like the brutal style of this video and the art is great! And now I want to try painting or drawing on a large wall. Link to the video I watched: th-cam.com/video/tpe6VqB_Q64/w-d-xo.html
I'm an outsider Neo Expressionist..
Thanks for watching, and good luck with your work!
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Thank you, PAYO! 👍
Genius or a scam? I have not watched the video but usually this is a rhetorical question. The author has already decided that it is a scam. The truth is more nuanced: it can be either, plus a lot of earnest bad art.
Spoilers: I used to think it was a scam when I was much younger, but I changed my mind. If you take a few minutes to read through the comments, there are quite a few people with really great ideas on the topic. (And presented much more eloquently than I did in the video.) Have a great day.
@@SketchbookTimeMachine Thanks. This time I did watch the video and I have to say your views are a bit more nuanced than I expected. That said, please note that although they are often lumped together and the terms used indistinctly, strictly speaking outsider art is not the same as art naif, art brut or primitive art. You and I can make art brut. We cannot make outsider art, which is by definition the art made by society OUTSIDERS with an urge to express themselves. Often mentally ill, or isolated from society for some reason, they usually have little or no art training or knowledge of art history, and live and make art in a world of their own. They do not much care to show or sell their work, when they do it is usually prompted by others.
I am a painter, and I could fake outsider art, but it would be a lie. Actually, a lot of so-called outsider artists are phonies, mediocre mainstream artists faking it.The best way to market your work if you have little skill and talent is to promote it as outsider art. Maybe they came up with this strategy, maybe their marchands and galleries did.
Some of my favourite outside artists: Henry Darger, Bill Traylor, Carlo Zinelli, Adolf Wolfli, Martín Ramírez, Arthur Bispo do Rosário, Raúl Javiel Cabrera (Cabrerita). Look them up and you will see what I am talking about. Cheers.
Well said, Aquelpibe. I came to the same conclusion in making the video: I can't make "Outsider Art" because I know better- it would be a fake. All I can do is try to channel some of the unbridled spirit and raw energy of the real thing.
@@SketchbookTimeMachine Thank you. Keep up with the good work.
basquiat?
Jean-Michel?
@@SketchbookTimeMachine yes. also, I just discovered your videos and you've inspired me to try something new. btw have you heard of Joe Morris ? I think his hot rod paint jobs fall into this category to. Check him out
@@jbinpo Joe Morris makes some great stuff- thanks for the recommendation!
Hey, my 2 months old brother made one of these by spilling paint all over his book
CALM DOWN I JUST MADE A JOKE
Frame that masterpiece and put it in a gallery for 100k, and then make it part of your Performance Art show by shooting it with both of your guns in the rain while looking into the camera with a bad actor grimace- Bang! Bang! Now you're an Artist!
I like making ignorant art.
Me too- I like to just make marks and paste collage and smear paint- cathartic. Thank you for watching 👍
Massimo beats Simon.
Who are they?
*GASP!!!!!!*
It's *SEXIST!!!* to say BS when she cows also go poop.
And, it's also *SPECIESIST!!!* because non-bovine animals also expel digestion remnants through their anal orifice.
In the future, instead of saying "bullsh*t", everyone should please say "Non-gender-specific non-species-specific animal excrement".
And instead of using "BS", please use "NSNSAE".
Thank you for your cooperation.
Ancient astronaut theorists say yes!
Satan, dude... sorry I offended you or in any way harshed your life-buzz. Thank you for showing me the error of my ways and turning me on to the Nummy Muffin way of living. ⚡️🤘⚡️
Speaking of crap art.....ahem....
Thanks for watching, Boom Boom!
It's a money grab and it's disgusting.
Thanks for watching, Single Speed 👍
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Agree. Art is art.