You notice how he spoke so lovingly about Maddie--unlike the 2 monsters who did nothing but list the things she had "wrong" with her, what meds she took and why. My condolences to Steven and Ashland. I was wondering if Ashland had any insights/experiences with/about SS.
@carol-l8u I think you've got some great points. Plenty of people with mental health difficulties aren't terrible parents who check out, take drugs that knock them out, neglect their kids, or offer them up for abuse.
Therapist here, it’s odd that the detective stated that the therapist would not have to disclose information due to HIPPA essentially. It’s not true. We are mandated reporters. If we are made aware that someone is in imminent danger to themselves or others then we MUST break confidentiality.
You didn’t watch the Soto interview with law enforcement where after being shown the SA images and being told her child was dead in the car and asking where they might be able to find the body … her response, “ Hate to send you on a wild goose chase.” Followed by “If I press charges on him now can I drop them later?” Why aren’t people watching all the interrogation videos ?
Someone said why negative on Jen! Seriously. Did that person know that she put her daughter in bed with her boyfriend. Geez. This is from day one. She is a liar and a bit goofy.
Its sad she was lashing out at her step sister bc she was upset that she wasnt living in a safe world like her real fathers house was peaceful and i know that had to have made her mad she probably didn't even know why.
0:23 I totally agree that he saw maddie like a normal person sees a child like a father/step father who has a bond with his step child would. I feel that JS and SS saw her in a different way. They had to constantly make people believe that she was her diagnos. They had such an impact on her overall personality, behaviour, life, they were doing terrible things to her, the whole focus became painting her in a certain way to protect themselves from discovery. JS had to disengage and close herself off from maddie to justify allowing the abuse and to keep SS happy. SS had his own version of her in his own deprived way and they didn't see who she really was. Also, she would be able to be her truer self around people she felt safe and loved by that is just my opinion.
Hi Gavin, new sub here, but Steven Young (besides Maddie’s bio dad) is the first adult in Maddie’s life that described her in a non-clinical way: he saw her a kid, a blooming person, a big personality. Not just a sum of DSM5 symptoms. The complexities of her life and surroundings make this case so bizarre, so unexpected, so heartbreaking. Jenn and Stephan are inept and weird, the Stearns had to deal with Peter Pan, we aren’t hearing much from Jenn’s family, Maddie’s bio dad loved her but there was drama between Jenn and Maddie’s stepmom, and here - in Steven Young - we have the most loving, grounded parent. At least he was in her life for part of it, so sad Jenn couldn’t overcome her setbacks so that she didn’t end up with the mega-creep SS. Stearns came into Jenn’s life at the ultimatum cost: her daughter’s safety, for years, until it climaxed to the final act. Jenn had so much time, so much opportunity, to have acted. The pot finally boiled over.
I wasn’t sure about Jenn knowing until after she saw the SA photos and called SS father to get him an attorney while she is being interviewed by LE. She knew.
Yeah the Reddit comments on posts I saw from him were so ick and the pregnancy one was SO ALARMING and the rest of it was just bizarre and weird too 🤢🤢
Right and he also groomed everyone not to report the co-sleeping to cps even though everyone knew. Let's not make excuses for negligent moms and stupid people.
And a negligent lazy mother who only cares about taking meds and getting a good sleep. Maddie's family also just handed Maddie to this POS without any hesitation.
There's not an autism 'test'. They do an assessment for autism. Insurance won't cover an additional assessment. Having autism diagnosis doesn't always mean a person requires treatment for it BUT parents who don't want to commit to therapies may give some excuse or backtrack on it. OR how about this? Maybe JS never had her assessed/diagnoed but told people she had been then had to introduce a new scenario because she didn't realize that autism is a pervasive developmental disorder (not a personality disorder) and couldn't be a label to just used to sever parents needs or explain inappropriate behavior resulting from abuse and neglect.
Gavin, I came across your channel a couple weeks ago during one of your Madeline Soto lives I enjoy watching you and I feel like you’re very intelligent and you really try to give a balance viewpoint so I hope you see this . there’s a thing that I have noticed that nobody seems to point out that Jennifer Soto and her mother have a very toxic relationship and her mother raised her to not only be codependent and pass that along to Madeline. The sleeping arrangement is a really good example of the codependent relationship that she had with her child. As well as instilled in Jennifer Soto with a very toxic view of men she in at least one interview talks about how her mom “put it in her body” not to trust men and I feel that that’s being highly overlooked and it’s a really important factor in why Jennifer Soto is where she’s at today . when you are told by your parent that you can’t trust people, you are literally being filled with an improper view of the world and unnecessary anxiety and a inability to properly judge anybody . People are so surprised by her behavior, but Jennifer Soto is high all the time on multiple benzodiazepine’s and other antipsychotic medication so she is very disconnected from reality. Somebody who is not grounded in themselves and trusting themselves cannot make proper judgments of somebody else and then they have the layer of a mother who makes you think that all men are untrustworthy that’s a recipe for disaster. With an upbringing like Jennifer Sotos, there is no way that she knows what a healthy relationship is or what love is . She would have never and could never love or give Madeline the proper attention that she needed because she doesn’t know how to do that RIP Madeline Soto I pray for you to get your justice every single day it embrace my heart that you were unfortunately born to somebody who could not love you the way that you needed to be loved.
You’re absolutely right about these types of crimes being as bad as or worse than murder. It murders the soul and you don’t come back from it. You can heal a lot with work, but you always wonder what you would’ve been like if it hadn’t happened.
Its so sad that Jen and Maddies life was so much more functional and healthy when she was married to this guy. Maddie and his daughter Ash had their own separate bedrooms. It was only when SS entered their life that everything went freaky and unnatural. Jen started on drugs. Then Maddie's life spiraled into a Hell on Earth for her!!!! Predator Monster entered the scene. SS deliberately damaged and divided the mother/daughter bond for his own selfish and perverted agenda.
I agree, what Sterns was doing to Maddie for so long over many years was pure sadistic TORTURE for this young child without doubt! Not to be minimized as not evil by Jen as compared to him taking her life also.
I was diagnosed as depressive PTSD. I have a lot of other issues with my health, but I managed to get up and go to work for the love of my kids. They were my drive. I love them so much and now my cage all these women and people in general hide behind their illnesses or their mental stuff is excuse that it's so easily accomplished like this why are they having children not having children that is just laziness to receive disability to live comfortable go to work when they want to these kind of people I don't care if they go homeless
Not everyone is same. There are varying degrees of severity, some people can take longer to find medications/treatments that are effective for them, there’s treatment resistant illness, fluctuations in illness, inability to afford meds and treatment, the list goes on. Given that, if you are unable to properly care for your children due to ANY circumstances, mental health or otherwise, as a parent, it is 💯 your responsibility to provide them with alternative care, whether temporary or permanent, not just to keep them for a monthly cheque.
Omg, I’ve never heard that from anybody. I call my daughter the sour patch kid. It breaks my heart. This poor sweetheart lost her soul and spunk 😢 she deserved so much better!
This seems like the only adult who really seen and heard Maddi! He got her and understood her at least somewhat!! No one seemed to do that, based on all the interviews and knowledge I’ve learned from people who were literally in this poor girls face everyday he seems like a great father also
From my own experience- trying to “make problems go away” I would be in denial, ignore stuff until I believed it wasn’t real, fortunately this had NOTHING to do with my children, in fact I had a daughter who got assaulted at my work- I quit immediately, reported all involved immediately- it didn’t matter I’d have to take time to get another job to try to replace the income- it didn’t even cross my mind to “let that go” - I really think if Jenn knew something even slightly, she was in total denial and believed her own denial
Hey Gavin GF, you should do Stephan Stearns the way we did Chris Watts. Except, compile emails and paper letters for us to let this POS know what we think of him!
Out of all the "adults" we've heard thus far, I wish that Steven would've gained custody of Maddie. It is rare, but not unheard of. If not in the states eyes, then Jen recognizing Maddie would be better off in a healthier environment. I've always been curious about what Jen's deal was. Also wondered if Maddie suffered SS type abuse before, or what made Maddie want to sleep with her mother throughout her childhood.
This interview makes my heart break for poor Maddie. He is the only consistent, loving, and caring person in Maddie’s life (idk how her grandma/grandpa were with her); but Steven was the parent she needed and deserved. Even her bio dad did not seem as upset and genuinely hurt as this young man does! 😢
I really liked these interviews. It gave me a new perspective on both Jenn and Maddie. I think Jenn was groomed by Stephan as well and he took advantage of her mental state. But I think from her interviews that she had knowledge and she enabled it.
People may say that Jenn is a good mom, but a good mom doesn't drug up at night to the point of incapacitation. A good mom doesn't send her kid to a man's bedroom or let a man sleep in bed with her kid. Any single parent that takes drugs strong enough to "knock them out" or make them "sleep like the dead" is being neglectful! Plenty of people need mental health drugs but don't take ones that endanger their kids or make them unable to care for a child! I would never take sleeping meds or even "nighttime" OTC meds with my kids in the house unless my husband was home and knew I was taking something!
Why are you so against Jen? OMG WHAT A QUESTION Have you watched ‘The Behaviour Panel’ guys on YT and what they say. She is quite obviously and clearly ONLY worried about Stephan; her loyalties lie with him. She sent her daughter to be continually abused, raped, sodomised, photographed, murdered and your asking ‘WHY ARE YOU SO AGAINST JEN’ @shirley temple
Maddi is like a relative to me . I cry every time I hear her horrible situation on the hands of ss. I am not a lawyer but the only person who could sue the mother is her biological father for child negľect Gen was receiving child support and yet she was murdered in her house.
Unrelated to this interview but before I forget, isn't a vigil for someone suspected of being passed away? Didn't Jen want a vigil instead of a search before she even knew the finality of it all?
@Shannon_Moore According to Merriam-Webster,a vigil is “an event or a period of time when a person or group stays in a place and quietly waits, prays, etc., especially at night.”
He is the only person in this whole mess who speaks like a caring guardian of Maddie. As for Jenn, I feel they will prosecute SS first, then Jenn will answer for her role. There is room in her immunity for other charges, but not for those she disclosed in handing SS over.
I know Steven seems like the only one with any common sense , and I know he saw her in a way that JS was just really dumbfounded, and traumatized and highly medicated during and about the whole thing but at the end of the day I just can’t seem to get over that Woody Allen comment you know..its just no way. How would or why would any parent say that I mean, even if you are three kinds of stupid, that is just something one just does not say just for conversation.
Yes. Also, we can present ourselves differently to certain people in our lives, or in regards to certain situations. We’ve all done it. There are just some things or some times that you don’t want certain people to know entire truths. Example your own shame, level of trust in a particular person, fear of being “found out” (as in this case) etc.
it is mind blowing the positive 2 guys who jen was with and how close her life could of been saved. what does jen parents think of what their granddaughter went through
Has anyone figured out what evidence they have that this was a premeditated murder? I'd always thought it was possibly accidental or a "heat of the moment" type scenario. Also wondering why there is so little discussion about Jen's note talking about her own SA. Maybe because she was SA'd she didn't think it was a "big deal" that Maddie was being SA'd
Jenn was never involved in Stephan's abuse. He lied and manipulated both of them for years. Jenn saw Stephan as a father figure. Even if there were signs that Stephan leaked of his abuse Jenn would have interpreted them through the lens of her idea of him as her dear friend. I think its terrible that Jenn is being demonized when she is also a victim of this monster.
Ok but he also never thought Stephen would commit his heinous acts and steven was wrong about that. Remember steven wanted to also get Stephen an atty at first but steven didn't even know about the csam at the time. Jenn wanted to get Stephen an atty AFTER seeing the csam.
She uses her mental health as a crutch. According to SS's behaviors, one could suspect prescription and non prescription mix which is contraindicated. Induced drug mix shouldn't be a mental health fix for child neglect at the very least.
Jen did not agree. with this man because it was nit about her She is someone hiding behind her issues not deserving to get a mother I truly pray she never has another child
Kids are being put in lifestyles that ate confusing Having different men around and maintaining friendships with the children of these different men like its normal to change partners
Gavin you said maybe both things are true. Jenn really loved Maddie and then she (Jenn) also was different when she was having her mental illness issues. Reminds me of my friend’s situation with her dad as a child. He molested her at night and then put an Andies mint in the bottom of her bowl of oatmeal as a surprise. Creepy
She didn't love maddie but wanted to show herself as a good mom. No caring loving mother would allow or encourage her preteen daughter to co-sleep with any adult male much less mom's bf and ex bf no matter how long they've dated!!! Don't be fooled.
I am paraphrasing what I think Gavin was saying. I don’t know if she really loved her or if she was faking it or acting like she loved her to fool everyone else. My friends father didn’t love his daughter he was manipulating her with acting nice with the chocolate surprise or was feeling guilty.
@@larnold7614 sorry if my comment sounded harsh. To me, js is just as much a monster as ss. This didn't happen in a dark alley or on the street somewhere, it happened for years in the home where a child is suppose to feel safe and protected.
Is Jen a person who has a mental illness? YES! Was she involved with not being there for Maddie? Yes! Was she clueless about Stephan and didn't want to lose him? YES! Was she completely naive about Stephan and Maddie? YES!Was she an absent parent? Yes! but I don't think she she had anything with her death...🥵
JS mental health and SS’s ability to manipulate the mother set this poor child up. If her mental health had not been a factor SS might have been found out earlier. If step dad had known I feel he would have intervened.
Her mental health is just spoiled brat disorder🙄A lot of grown children claim to have mental illnesses they don't really have to excuse their entitled, f-ed up behavior, and to get outta of accountiblity.
He seems like a nice concerned guy but I have never heard of so many people connected to each other who are ALL medicated. There is something wrong with the whole situation. Big Pharm is getting the negative attention that they deserve. I believe that the only thing wrong with Maddie is that she was being molested & no one bothered to dig deeper.
I wonder if js's family and friends are still supporting her after hearing that she allowed and encouraged the co-sleeping and possible involvement with maddie's violation and death. I know I would not support such a monster.
@GF , Jenn’s mom said in her interview with the police that she didn’t know why she didn’t like him . But she said she didn’t . I thought it was interesting too . No one suspected him . Jen volunteered the information that she sent them to bed like she was telling them it was time for dinner . I questioned a lot of things about Jen , but I got all of my answers . It’s interesting that so many people want her punished but they don’t have any evidence that she knew because the police said they didn’t have any . She’s mentally unstable and on strong medication . Of course she’s acting different than the average people would , that’s why he chose her . They did look at her digital life and they told Chris stearns there’s no evidence she knew or was involved . Way back in July I believe when he went to the Kissimmee police department wanting to know why Jen hadn’t been arrested . The police said Stephan was in on it all by himself . And Maddie wasn’t his first victim . He’s being charged with a minor under 5 and there were thousands of pictures of other kids . So many that the police said they could never identify all of the children . Idk why you want her punished and no one that wants it seems to be able to say why with any evidence . Look at the Chris stearns video where he goes to Kissimmee and wants to know why she’s not under arrest . She’s his latest victim and he’s in it on his own .
There is NO way, she did not know. He was doing this when she was 8 years old. DOES JS DO LAUNDRY? in 5 years, did she do her own kids laundry? Could she not tell, that SOMETHING was wrong, in just the chronic constipation??? And WHAT MOTHER SENDS her daughter to bed with her boyfriend? Willfully neglecting parental responsibilities, is against the law. Failure to protect a minor child, against the law. Try looking up Florida law.
@@jessiefrye3045I believe she knew, however having that hold up in court would be a difficult case be cause although there is every indication that she did know and she encouraged it, there is no actually solid evidence and plenty of excuses as to why she may have not known.
@@jessiefrye3045also chronic constipation is not proof of abuse. I had constipation often as a child and wasn't abused. It was from other health issues i had. I wish she was locked u but we have to have definite proof or else a bunch of people could get locked up for no reason. The closest she said that indicated proof was the woody Allen comment which isn't enough legally.
Those thousands of victims were not all Sterns's. He was clearly trading images on a cp site. They require it so that everyone keeps the secret since it is illegal.
Here’s what’s confusing , you say no one suspected him which is true , you say that Stephan is a predator , so why are you Hoping Jen gets prosecuted ?
@@susanmcstravick What did you think the same ? Why people want this mentally ill woman on outrageous medication like lithium to act like they would , and think the murdered or rented her kid ? Even though the police say she got no money , and there’s no evidence that she was involved , and Stephan worked alone ? Or that 2 people can be punished ? Why would anybody other than the predator need to be punished. Do they want her punished for being a bad mother ? For being mentally ill ? For being stupid ? It seems very strange to me that people don’t see Jen as the target of the predator ? She’s obviously the perfect mark . But not as good as the parents of the other victims one of which is under 5 ! Those people have never charged Stephan or come forward . Are they all predators or victims ? By this logic we’d have to punish every parent of a child that’s been molested . And we’d have more people in prison than out ! I serious question if this was 1950 and it was a town hall rather than the global internet if this isn’t the same process that occurred with lynchings ? People that believed things based on emotions rather than facts were enraged and harmed people . I don’t mean that’s what they’re intentionally doing but I wonder how different this is from how that happened ? If we’re better , worse ? Or evolved at all or a little from that . I think it’s strange but an undeniable human experience
While we don’t know the extent of Jenn’s knowledge or participation, it’s 💯 not normal to have a child sleeping between you and your boyfriend every night or sending off to bed just the two of them, mental health issues or not. It’s especially concerning because JS and SS weren’t having sexual relations anymore, not to mention that Maddie was capable of being impregnated.
When was this interview done? Was it at the very beginning when this first happened? Before all the evidence and information about jen was public knowledge? Just I wonder if his opinion about jen is still the same or not?
@shortie.2380 thanks for your reply much appreciated I wonder if he has seen all the further information police interview etc. Wonder if he still feels that jenn is not involved because I can't see anyone believing that she was absolutely totally in the dark can you?
Steven Y sounds like a nice man but I still believe Jen didnt like Maddie - he loved Maddie for all we know Jen mightve been jealous of her back then and started to have issues then about her daughter. and maybe that is why they split. she found a fellow addict with stephan who talked her into molesting her daughter - cause we know that happened since they all slept together - or jen took drugs to not hear or see it - She is at fault - I feel bad for Steven Y because he doesnt want to believe Jen is bad but he doesnt know - Jen's family also at fault they knew something was up - but families unfortunately do not speak up likenthey should - we see that over and over again
For some reason nobody around seemed to have known that anything was going on. Or are they defending them all. Its seems it was a complicit manage a trois. As Maddie phoned Stephen and wanted him to come. I mean why would Maddie even want to go in the bed with him and Jen.
Would you stop it and please educate yourself! This is NOT Maddie’s fault. He’s been doing this to her since she was 8yrs old. No one, regardless of age, consents to SA. And if her mother did participate in the actual SA that is incest!
Now remember people can say things about people after the fact like nice things I'm sure thus stepdad is a nice guy but i ask if you were so thoughtfull and wanted to be in MS life im sure you could have in alot of different ways lije for example her BDays?
She was spoiled, and told she did no wrong, and she blamed her mom for everything, like her being an obese slob for bingeing on snack cakes, but claims her mom trying to get her to eat steak is what's made her fat🙄
She is also a victim of CSA so it is even harder to accept her part in all of this but it does explain some of the desensitised reaction to maddie being SA so sad this such a tragic end of a beautiful little girls life 😢 😢
If you have ever had something traumatic happen to you, it's like you aren't in reality anymore. I dont doubt Jenn had trouble wrapping her head around 1st her missing daughter, 2nd her beat friend of whom she saw as a coparent abusing her daughter and 3rd her daughter murdered. Who could stand that kind of stress and not have trouble thinking straight? Let's focus on the pile of garbage who is the actual murderer and stop victim blaming Jenn.
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I just can’t EVER get over Jenn not being charged with anything! Negligence absolutely
You notice how he spoke so lovingly about Maddie--unlike the 2 monsters who did nothing but list the things she had "wrong" with her, what meds she took and why. My condolences to Steven and Ashland. I was wondering if Ashland had any insights/experiences with/about SS.
this ex bf is the most compassionate,caring person I think I ever speak of his ex in such a caring manner and its a beautiful thing!!!
He sounds like an empath, which might explain how he ended up with a hot mess like Jen!
I don’t trust any of those people in that entire dynamic.
he is Jen's ex HUSBAND not boyfriend. they were married for a year or so.
@carol-l8u I think you've got some great points. Plenty of people with mental health difficulties aren't terrible parents who check out, take drugs that knock them out, neglect their kids, or offer them up for abuse.
Can you imagine Jenn's mothers disapointment when her daughter goes from Steven to Stephan ?
Her mother didn't care either way weird mother for sure
There’s something terribly not right with all the people in this case.
The relatives , roommates, the family and extended families .
@@TracyTrettinI’m glad I’m not the only one that noticed.
We don’t know anything about Jenn’s mom. But yes, huge downgrade.
No sh*t right...
Therapist here, it’s odd that the detective stated that the therapist would not have to disclose information due to HIPPA essentially. It’s not true. We are mandated reporters. If we are made aware that someone is in imminent danger to themselves or others then we MUST break confidentiality.
@@Jmodav2021 even if the person is already being charged and in custody ?
@@blueplum143yes I imagine even so, it's an ethical duty of care.
Stefan even described Maddie’s “PMS”! He had some nerve!
Now we know that there was at least one person who truly loved and cared for Maddie.
GF - This is the best interview. This man is so loving when he describes sweet Maddie. If only JS had held the marriage together, for Maddie❤️
You didn’t watch the Soto interview with law enforcement where after being shown the SA images and being told her child was dead in the car and asking where they might be able to find the body … her response,
“ Hate to send you on a wild goose chase.”
Followed by
“If I press charges on him now can I drop them later?”
Why aren’t people watching all the interrogation videos ?
Someone said why negative on Jen! Seriously. Did that person know that she put her daughter in bed with her boyfriend. Geez. This is from day one. She is a liar and a bit goofy.
How do we know that he didn't have other child victims? Is it suspected?
He did have other children in the CSAM but I don't know if he actually did the act or was sent the content 🤔
There was a 14 yr old he was dating and showing around his mates.
Its sad she was lashing out at her step sister bc she was upset that she wasnt living in a safe world like her real fathers house was peaceful and i know that had to have made her mad she probably didn't even know why.
0:23 I totally agree that he saw maddie like a normal person sees a child like a father/step father who has a bond with his step child would. I feel that JS and SS saw her in a different way. They had to constantly make people believe that she was her diagnos. They had such an impact on her overall personality, behaviour, life, they were doing terrible things to her, the whole focus became painting her in a certain way to protect themselves from discovery.
JS had to disengage and close herself off from maddie to justify allowing the abuse and to keep SS happy. SS had his own version of her in his own deprived way and they didn't see who she really was. Also, she would be able to be her truer self around people she felt safe and loved by that is just my opinion.
Madeline’s time with others seemed to be controlled by JS preventing Maddy from blossoming in a natural way ❤️🩹 Shrek Soto (Jen) is complicit
GF - I finally got u live for part 2 tonite. You’re the Best! Happy Post Anniversary to you & your wife.
I agree with your views on Jenn. I feel she knew enough to have taken action to protect Maddie, but she didn't.
The detective asked her if she wanted to press charges she said I don’t know and asked her. Could she change her mind later
all the lies she said Jen
Maddie, such a darling girl who certainly didn’t deserve this. Heartbreaking. 💔
Hi Gavin, new sub here, but Steven Young (besides Maddie’s bio dad) is the first adult in Maddie’s life that described her in a non-clinical way: he saw her a kid, a blooming person, a big personality. Not just a sum of DSM5 symptoms. The complexities of her life and surroundings make this case so bizarre, so unexpected, so heartbreaking. Jenn and Stephan are inept and weird, the Stearns had to deal with Peter Pan, we aren’t hearing much from Jenn’s family, Maddie’s bio dad loved her but there was drama between Jenn and Maddie’s stepmom, and here - in Steven Young - we have the most loving, grounded parent. At least he was in her life for part of it, so sad Jenn couldn’t overcome her setbacks so that she didn’t end up with the mega-creep SS. Stearns came into Jenn’s life at the ultimatum cost: her daughter’s safety, for years, until it climaxed to the final act. Jenn had so much time, so much opportunity, to have acted. The pot finally boiled over.
I can't even look at pictures of Jenn without feeling so angry! This woman needs to be charged. I believe she knew. 😡
Gaven I love your commentary ❤ keep up the girl work ❤ 😊 Maddie didn’t deserve this 😢 thank you for taking the time to sharing
Heartbreaking. So much pain. None of this should have happened.
I wasn’t sure about Jenn knowing until after she saw the SA photos and called SS father to get him an attorney while she is being interviewed by LE. She knew.
GF. Jen did.ask if she had to decide right then if she wanted to press charges. I think the detective ed were shocked.
I agree. I would have have been so disgusted.
I agree but LE has heard it all.
This just gave them more suspicions. They will keep note of everything for future upcoming trial.
I’m pretty new to your channel, but I just wanted to let you know that I really enjoy it. It is somehow very soothing. 😊
He sounds to be very forgiving towards Jen, but this is before he saw any of the interviews. I'd be interested to see what he thinks now...
Yeah the Reddit comments on posts I saw from him were so ick and the pregnancy one was SO ALARMING and the rest of it was just bizarre and weird too 🤢🤢
Stephen is a groomer. PERIOD. He groomed everyone.
I agree!
Right and he also groomed everyone not to report the co-sleeping to cps even though everyone knew. Let's not make excuses for negligent moms and stupid people.
And a negligent lazy mother who only cares about taking meds and getting a good sleep. Maddie's family also just handed Maddie to this POS without any hesitation.
Oh my God. Steven’s poor daughter. This breaks my heart too. 💔 she is a sister. 💔
There's not an autism 'test'. They do an assessment for autism. Insurance won't cover an additional assessment. Having autism diagnosis doesn't always mean a person requires treatment for it BUT parents who don't want to commit to therapies may give some excuse or backtrack on it. OR how about this? Maybe JS never had her assessed/diagnoed but told people she had been then had to introduce a new scenario because she didn't realize that autism is a pervasive developmental disorder (not a personality disorder) and couldn't be a label to just used to sever parents needs or explain inappropriate behavior resulting from abuse and neglect.
Gavin, I came across your channel a couple weeks ago during one of your Madeline Soto lives I enjoy watching you and I feel like you’re very intelligent and you really try to give a balance viewpoint so I hope you see this . there’s a thing that I have noticed that nobody seems to point out that Jennifer Soto and her mother have a very toxic relationship and her mother raised her to not only be codependent and pass that along to Madeline. The sleeping arrangement is a really good example of the codependent relationship that she had with her child. As well as instilled in Jennifer Soto with a very toxic view of men she in at least one interview talks about how her mom “put it in her body” not to trust men and I feel that that’s being highly overlooked and it’s a really important factor in why Jennifer Soto is where she’s at today .
when you are told by your parent that you can’t trust people, you are literally being filled with an improper view of the world and unnecessary anxiety and a inability to properly judge anybody .
People are so surprised by her behavior, but Jennifer Soto is high all the time on multiple benzodiazepine’s and other antipsychotic medication so she is very disconnected from reality. Somebody who is not grounded in themselves and trusting themselves cannot make proper judgments of somebody else and then they have the layer of a mother who makes you think that all men are untrustworthy that’s a recipe for disaster.
With an upbringing like Jennifer Sotos, there is no way that she knows what a healthy relationship is or what love is . She would have never and could never love or give Madeline the proper attention that she needed because she doesn’t know how to do that RIP Madeline Soto I pray for you to get your justice every single day it embrace my heart that you were unfortunately born to somebody who could not love you the way that you needed to be loved.
You’re absolutely right about these types of crimes being as bad as or worse than murder. It murders the soul and you don’t come back from it. You can heal a lot with work, but you always wonder what you would’ve been like if it hadn’t happened.
Imagine going from this Steven guy to Stephan. Weird.
going from a 10 to a -10 lol
@@thecozyconstellation 😆
Its so sad that Jen and Maddies life was so much more functional and healthy when she was married to this guy. Maddie and his daughter Ash had their own separate bedrooms. It was only when SS entered their life that everything went freaky and unnatural. Jen started on drugs. Then Maddie's life spiraled into a Hell on Earth for her!!!! Predator Monster entered the scene. SS deliberately damaged and divided the mother/daughter bond for his own selfish and perverted agenda.
My heart goes out to this guy Steven and his daughter for their loss. ♥️
I call my son my sour patch kid 😂
I agree, what Sterns was doing to Maddie for so long over many years was pure sadistic TORTURE for this young child without doubt! Not to be minimized as not evil by Jen as compared to him taking her life also.
GF.... following maddies case from Ireland, unbelievably shocking, the mother is equally as guilty . Love your live
It's disturbing that all her ex's and room mates, and basically everyone knew of Maddie's sleeping arrangements.
More disturbing and even worse is it wasn't reported to cps and reporting is anonymous!!!!
I was diagnosed as depressive PTSD. I have a lot of other issues with my health, but I managed to get up and go to work for the love of my kids. They were my drive. I love them so much and now my cage all these women and people in general hide behind their illnesses or their mental stuff is excuse that it's so easily accomplished like this why are they having children not having children that is just laziness to receive disability to live comfortable go to work when they want to these kind of people I don't care if they go homeless
Not everyone is same. There are varying degrees of severity, some people can take longer to find medications/treatments that are effective for them, there’s treatment resistant illness, fluctuations in illness, inability to afford meds and treatment, the list goes on. Given that, if you are unable to properly care for your children due to ANY circumstances, mental health or otherwise, as a parent, it is 💯 your responsibility to provide them with alternative care, whether temporary or permanent, not just to keep them for a monthly cheque.
Replay crew ✌🏾
So, Sterns recently might have put them both on MEDS? I am super-angry...
Omg, I’ve never heard that from anybody. I call my daughter the sour patch kid. It breaks my heart. This poor sweetheart lost her soul and spunk 😢 she deserved so much better!
This seems like the only adult who really seen and heard Maddi! He got her and understood her at least somewhat!! No one seemed to do that, based on all the interviews and knowledge I’ve learned from people who were literally in this poor girls face everyday he seems like a great father also
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So many children lost in the system, whether government or family, during Covid. It is truly heartbreaking. 💔
From my own experience- trying to “make problems go away” I would be in denial, ignore stuff until I believed it wasn’t real, fortunately this had NOTHING to do with my children, in fact I had a daughter who got assaulted at my work- I quit immediately, reported all involved immediately- it didn’t matter I’d have to take time to get another job to try to replace the income- it didn’t even cross my mind to “let that go” - I really think if Jenn knew something even slightly, she was in total denial and believed her own denial
Hey Gavin GF, you should do Stephan Stearns the way we did Chris Watts. Except, compile emails and paper letters for us to let this POS know what we think of him!
Out of all the "adults" we've heard thus far, I wish that Steven would've gained custody of Maddie. It is rare, but not unheard of. If not in the states eyes, then Jen recognizing Maddie would be better off in a healthier environment.
I've always been curious about what Jen's deal was. Also wondered if Maddie suffered SS type abuse before, or what made Maddie want to sleep with her mother throughout her childhood.
This interview makes my heart break for poor Maddie. He is the only consistent, loving, and caring person in Maddie’s life (idk how her grandma/grandpa were with her); but Steven was the parent she needed and deserved. Even her bio dad did not seem as upset and genuinely hurt as this young man does! 😢
Man, Jenn effed up losing that guy! I love Steven! (Not Stefan) STEVEN
I really liked these interviews. It gave me a new perspective on both Jenn and Maddie. I think Jenn was groomed by Stephan as well and he took advantage of her mental state. But I think from her interviews that she had knowledge and she enabled it.
People may say that Jenn is a good mom, but a good mom doesn't drug up at night to the point of incapacitation. A good mom doesn't send her kid to a man's bedroom or let a man sleep in bed with her kid. Any single parent that takes drugs strong enough to "knock them out" or make them "sleep like the dead" is being neglectful! Plenty of people need mental health drugs but don't take ones that endanger their kids or make them unable to care for a child! I would never take sleeping meds or even "nighttime" OTC meds with my kids in the house unless my husband was home and knew I was taking something!
I wish they had asked he what he knew about Tyler. Or what he thought about Tyler’s relationship/contact with Maddy
Steven said it was pretty much only existent thru his daughter.
Why are you so against Jen? OMG WHAT A QUESTION
Have you watched ‘The Behaviour Panel’ guys on YT and what they say. She is quite obviously and clearly ONLY worried about Stephan; her loyalties lie with him. She sent her daughter to be continually abused, raped, sodomised, photographed, murdered and your asking ‘WHY ARE YOU SO AGAINST JEN’ @shirley temple
Maddi is like a relative to me . I cry every time I hear her horrible situation on the hands of ss. I am not a lawyer but the only person who could sue the mother is her biological father for child negľect Gen was receiving child support and yet she was murdered in her house.
Unrelated to this interview but before I forget, isn't a vigil for someone suspected of being passed away? Didn't Jen want a vigil instead of a search before she even knew the finality of it all?
@Shannon_Moore
According to Merriam-Webster,a vigil is “an event or a period of time when a person or group stays in a place and quietly waits, prays, etc., especially at night.”
He is the only person in this whole mess who speaks like a caring guardian of Maddie.
As for Jenn, I feel they will prosecute SS first, then Jenn will answer for her role.
There is room in her immunity for other charges, but not for those she disclosed in handing SS over.
GF Did Jenn know about the tripod in the one bedroom?
Yeah. Why was it never mentioned? The cops didn’t question it either. Very odd and suspicious.
I think this Steven left Jen. Just as the man she had Maddie to he left. Jen probably kicked him out because of Maddie!!!!
I know Steven seems like the only one with any common sense , and I know he saw her in a way that JS was just really dumbfounded, and traumatized and highly medicated during and about the whole thing but at the end of the day I just can’t seem to get over that Woody Allen comment you know..its just no way. How would or why would any parent say that I mean, even if you are three kinds of stupid, that is just something one just does not say just for conversation.
Yes. Also, we can present ourselves differently to certain people in our lives, or in regards to certain situations. We’ve all done it. There are just some things or some times that you don’t want certain people to know entire truths. Example your own shame, level of trust in a particular person, fear of being “found out” (as in this case) etc.
it is mind blowing the positive 2 guys who jen was with and how close her life could of been saved. what does jen parents think of what their granddaughter went through
Jenn was upset over losing Maddie, but she was DESTROYED over losing Stefan.
she was NOT upset over losing Maddie. she was upset Maddie was "having a sxl relationship" with Stephan - the Woody Allen situation.
Has anyone figured out what evidence they have that this was a premeditated murder? I'd always thought it was possibly accidental or a "heat of the moment" type scenario.
Also wondering why there is so little discussion about Jen's note talking about her own SA. Maybe because she was SA'd she didn't think it was a "big deal" that Maddie was being SA'd
I do not see why the prosecutors need JS testifying in trial. She has told so many lies so far. She was so out of it bc medication and sleeping. 🙄
Jenn was never involved in Stephan's abuse. He lied and manipulated both of them for years. Jenn saw Stephan as a father figure. Even if there were signs that Stephan leaked of his abuse Jenn would have interpreted them through the lens of her idea of him as her dear friend. I think its terrible that Jenn is being demonized when she is also a victim of this monster.
I believe Steven when he says Jenn wouldn’t have done something had she known.
Ok but he also never thought Stephen would commit his heinous acts and steven was wrong about that. Remember steven wanted to also get Stephen an atty at first but steven didn't even know about the csam at the time. Jenn wanted to get Stephen an atty AFTER seeing the csam.
Steven Young seems like a normal decent man.
When are they gonna take them to court?Gf
She uses her mental health as a crutch. According to SS's behaviors, one could suspect prescription and non prescription mix which is contraindicated. Induced drug mix shouldn't be a mental health fix for child neglect at the very least.
Jen did not agree. with this man because it was nit about her
She is someone hiding behind her issues not deserving to get a mother
I truly pray she never has another child
Kids are being put in lifestyles that ate confusing
Having different men around and maintaining friendships with the children of these different men like its normal to change partners
the sour patch kid would've been a bright girl ...
Gavin you said maybe both things are true. Jenn really loved Maddie and then she (Jenn) also was different when she was having her mental illness issues. Reminds me of my friend’s situation with her dad as a child. He molested her at night and then put an Andies mint in the bottom of her bowl of oatmeal as a surprise. Creepy
She didn't love maddie but wanted to show herself as a good mom. No caring loving mother would allow or encourage her preteen daughter to co-sleep with any adult male much less mom's bf and ex bf no matter how long they've dated!!! Don't be fooled.
I am paraphrasing what I think Gavin was saying. I don’t know if she really loved her or if she was faking it or acting like she loved her to fool everyone else. My friends father didn’t love his daughter he was manipulating her with acting nice with the chocolate surprise or was feeling guilty.
@@larnold7614 sorry if my comment sounded harsh. To me, js is just as much a monster as ss. This didn't happen in a dark alley or on the street somewhere, it happened for years in the home where a child is suppose to feel safe and protected.
Is Jen a person who has a mental illness? YES! Was she involved with not being there for Maddie? Yes! Was she clueless about Stephan and didn't want to lose him? YES! Was she completely naive about Stephan and Maddie? YES!Was she an absent parent? Yes! but I don't think she she had anything with her death...🥵
What’s an Ascott?
It’s like a little scarf a man wraps around his neck and tucks into his shirt.
Oh yeah, the Reddit posts made me feel dirty. He gave advice to a pregnant teen on one. I wanted to puke.
What signs? You weren't in his or her life
Where is her biological father
okay all this talk about stepfathers, whats up with her BIO dad? no word on him at all?
He had an interview with LE too over the phone. Gavin has played that as well!
JS mental health and SS’s ability to manipulate the mother set this poor child up. If her mental health had not been a factor SS might have been found out earlier. If step dad had known I feel he would have intervened.
Her mental health is just spoiled brat disorder🙄A lot of grown children claim to have mental illnesses they don't really have to excuse their entitled, f-ed up behavior, and to get outta of accountiblity.
He seems like a nice concerned guy but I have never heard of so many people connected to each other who are ALL medicated. There is something wrong with the whole situation. Big Pharm is getting the negative attention that they deserve. I believe that the only thing wrong with Maddie is that she was being molested & no one bothered to dig deeper.
I wonder if js's family and friends are still supporting her after hearing that she allowed and encouraged the co-sleeping and possible involvement with maddie's violation and death. I know I would not support such a monster.
JS - he is a nice guy right? Would have made a great Daddy for Naddie if only JS could have kept it together, for Maddie.
@GF , Jenn’s mom said in her interview with the police that she didn’t know why she didn’t like him . But she said she didn’t .
I thought it was interesting too . No one suspected him .
Jen volunteered the information that she sent them to bed like she was telling them it was time for dinner .
I questioned a lot of things about Jen , but I got all of my answers .
It’s interesting that so many people want her punished but they don’t have any evidence that she knew because the police said they didn’t have any .
She’s mentally unstable and on strong medication . Of course she’s acting different than the average people would , that’s why he chose her .
They did look at her digital life and they told Chris stearns there’s no evidence she knew or was involved .
Way back in July I believe when he went to the Kissimmee police department wanting to know why Jen hadn’t been arrested .
The police said Stephan was in on it all by himself .
And Maddie wasn’t his first victim . He’s being charged with a minor under 5 and there were thousands of pictures of other kids . So many that the police said they could never identify all of the children .
Idk why you want her punished and no one that wants it seems to be able to say why with any evidence .
Look at the Chris stearns video where he goes to Kissimmee and wants to know why she’s not under arrest . She’s his latest victim and he’s in it on his own .
There is NO way, she did not know. He was doing this when she was 8 years old. DOES JS DO LAUNDRY?
in 5 years, did she do her own kids laundry?
Could she not tell, that SOMETHING was wrong, in just the chronic constipation???
And WHAT MOTHER SENDS her daughter to bed with her boyfriend?
Willfully neglecting parental responsibilities, is against the law.
Failure to protect a minor child, against the law.
Try looking up Florida law.
@@jessiefrye3045I believe she knew, however having that hold up in court would be a difficult case be cause although there is every indication that she did know and she encouraged it, there is no actually solid evidence and plenty of excuses as to why she may have not known.
@@jessiefrye3045also chronic constipation is not proof of abuse. I had constipation often as a child and wasn't abused. It was from other health issues i had. I wish she was locked u but we have to have definite proof or else a bunch of people could get locked up for no reason. The closest she said that indicated proof was the woody Allen comment which isn't enough legally.
Those thousands of victims were not all Sterns's. He was clearly trading images on a cp site. They require it so that everyone keeps the secret since it is illegal.
Jen is a spoiled, money hungry junkie who was pimping out her own child, she is not a victim, and she is probably trafficking more kids😑
Here’s what’s confusing , you say no one suspected him which is true , you say that Stephan is a predator , so why are you Hoping Jen gets prosecuted ?
Because she knew things and neglected protecting her baby. Duh.
2 people can be arrested for 1 one crime, that's why
I thought the same thing -strange
@@susanmcstravick What did you think the same ? Why people want this mentally ill woman on outrageous medication like lithium to act like they would , and think the murdered or rented her kid ? Even though the police say she got no money , and there’s no evidence that she was involved , and Stephan worked alone ?
Or that 2 people can be punished ? Why would anybody other than the predator need to be punished.
Do they want her punished for being a bad mother ? For being mentally ill ? For being stupid ?
It seems very strange to me that people don’t see Jen as the target of the predator ? She’s obviously the perfect mark . But not as good as the parents of the other victims one of which is under 5 !
Those people have never charged Stephan or come forward . Are they all predators or victims ?
By this logic we’d have to punish every parent of a child that’s been molested . And we’d have more people in prison than out !
I serious question if this was 1950 and it was a town hall rather than the global internet if this isn’t the same process that occurred with lynchings ?
People that believed things based on emotions rather than facts were enraged and harmed people .
I don’t mean that’s what they’re intentionally doing but I wonder how different this is from how that happened ? If we’re better , worse ? Or evolved at all or a little from that . I think it’s strange but an undeniable human experience
While we don’t know the extent of Jenn’s knowledge or participation, it’s 💯 not normal to have a child sleeping between you and your boyfriend every night or sending off to bed just the two of them, mental health issues or not. It’s especially concerning because JS and SS weren’t having sexual relations anymore, not to mention that Maddie was capable of being impregnated.
When was this interview done? Was it at the very beginning when this first happened? Before all the evidence and information about jen was public knowledge? Just I wonder if his opinion about jen is still the same or not?
I think this was 3/5/24. After poor Maddie’s body was found 😢
@shortie.2380 thanks for your reply much appreciated I wonder if he has seen all the further information police interview etc. Wonder if he still feels that jenn is not involved because I can't see anyone believing that she was absolutely totally in the dark can you?
Bs she just slept bs she sold her daughter why did she lie for him she was in it
GF you feel sadness
Steven Y sounds like a nice man but I still believe Jen didnt like Maddie - he loved Maddie for all we know Jen mightve been jealous of her back then and started to have issues then about her daughter. and maybe that is why they split. she found a fellow addict with stephan who talked her into molesting her daughter - cause we know that happened since they all
slept together - or jen took drugs to not hear or see it - She is at fault - I feel bad for Steven Y because he doesnt want to believe Jen is bad but he doesnt know - Jen's family also at fault they knew something was up - but families unfortunately do not speak up likenthey should - we see that over and over again
For some reason nobody around seemed to have known that anything was going on. Or are they defending them all. Its seems it was a complicit manage a trois. As Maddie phoned Stephen and wanted him to come. I mean why would Maddie even want to go in the bed with him and Jen.
Would you stop it and please educate yourself! This is NOT Maddie’s fault. He’s been doing this to her since she was 8yrs old. No one, regardless of age, consents to SA. And if her mother did participate in the actual SA that is incest!
School of Gavin fans 😂
Now remember people can say things about people after the fact like nice things I'm sure thus stepdad is a nice guy but i ask if you were so thoughtfull and wanted to be in MS life im sure you could have in alot of different ways lije for example her BDays?
To me he seemed to care more about her than her bio dad!
@@shortie.2380 sure didn't show it
Showing the absurd picture with her septum pierced which is a clear fake is pathetic. Show real photos not BS
it's a fake nose ring you dummy, it's a real photo
Stop talking about your life and stop extending grace to Jen and Maddie real dad😒😒 so annoying
This is definitely not the channel for you.
Perhaps it wasn’t Madeline but SS or JS who was destroying her “sisters” things on Minecraft 🤔 in order to isolate M from her sister.
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I feel so bad for this poor man. Once they separated he had zero say in the life of a child he obviously loves. 💔
GF I wonder what kind of childhood Jenn had.
She was spoiled, and told she did no wrong, and she blamed her mom for everything, like her being an obese slob for bingeing on snack cakes, but claims her mom trying to get her to eat steak is what's made her fat🙄
She is also a victim of CSA so it is even harder to accept her part in all of this but it does explain some of the desensitised reaction to maddie being SA so sad this such a tragic end of a beautiful little girls life 😢 😢
If you have ever had something traumatic happen to you, it's like you aren't in reality anymore. I dont doubt Jenn had trouble wrapping her head around 1st her missing daughter, 2nd her beat friend of whom she saw as a coparent abusing her daughter and 3rd her daughter murdered. Who could stand that kind of stress and not have trouble thinking straight? Let's focus on the pile of garbage who is the actual murderer and stop victim blaming Jenn.