If one of my crews set a pole and performed this work, I would fire all of them on the spot. This video shows an extreme lack of training, from truck set ups, to proper i&i. Frankly who ever posted this should not be in the utility industry unless this is an example of what not to do.
@@badasssnow cover up for starters. No pole plastic or blankets on pole while setting it. Putting a impact on a hot insulator while the battery is right next to the arm. I mean this was just complete garbage to use as a teaching point. Moving wire without a blanket on the arm or a single hose on the line? What if they let it go? Sure it’s a fiberglass arm but damn. Didn’t look like it was in a jib unless I missed it. Also work yourself out not work your way in. Less cover up. It all electrifies and works but damn I’m surprised they get away with this stuff. Also they tamped the pole before canting it unless that’s just the editing idk.
They seemed very relaxed which is another thing we call complacency. I kept thinking one of these guys is gonna get his face bit. I guess everybody has a different level of comfort. Or lack of respect. If you said one of these guys is dead in 5yrs I wouldn’t be surprised and I’ll leave it at that.
At one point one the guys face was about 2cm (less than a inch) from that live wire (if if was really live)... th-cam.com/video/KrQ17myzSFw/w-d-xo.html
@@a64738 He can actually touch a live wire, because he's insulated from the ground. It'll sting quite a bit (his body would work as a capacitor, passing some of the AC current) but won't be dangerous.
@@AlexBesogonov His body wont just be a capacitor to the environment, his body will energize the WHOLE TRUCK and the capacitive leakage currents will probably hurt him.
Butter fingers on what? They’re not cutting wire tails? 3 wire construction gives you plenty of spacing between yourself and opposite phases. The knuckle on their boom is very low so they basically covered the 2 first phases they transferred for no reason other than the camera. It’s a fiberglass arm if you’re concerned about second point of contact maybe??? Are you an apprentice?
Yea if these boys were on duke system they'd be fired. No cover on the arm or pole, boom under uncovered energized phases, energized phases uncovered to their back. No positive control over wire while being moved.
I'm very surprised that the employer allows that kind of risk taking. It's not just a personal risk but if they had lost control of those lines and dropped one on the arm the power would be gone and the cost of fixing the burnt mess would cost dearly.
Experienced lineman use common sense when they work. Scared or inexperienced lineman, do every little thing the company asks for regardless if it makes sense or not. They did nothing wrong, your company is keeping you in a box. You’re concerned about the boom but look at how far away it is from all the phases. You’re concerned about the energized phases to their backs but look at how far the separation is. Also, they didn’t cut any wire or handle any long tails. What is positive control to you and how would that have been safer than they way they moved the wire? Why would you cover a fiberglass arm? Are you assuming it’s really wet? Are you assuming the pole was soaked in water before they set it? Do you do any logical thinking before you do a job?
I would never do that. Just disconnect the powerline and get substation fed from the other side during maintenance time. If there is no redundant line, just get job done without power. Nobody will die due to power outage of a few hours.
Yeah your right if we in the 80s and 90s but The world is changing and the power supply companies have to meet maximum customer outage restrictions - There is a price on human life unfortunately
If that is actually energized, this is a travesty! I was a lineman for 16 years and have NEVER seen anything like this. No pole covers? A handline hanging from the neutral? Barely any cover on the primary? I couldn't even think of this many safety violations if I tried.
They could have saved themselves some extra cover up by reversing the order they dbl deadended the phases. Throw two hogs on the first phase and proceed to the farthest phase and work your way back out. It will save you having to cover the jumper you just made. Work smarter NOT harder.
Glad I saw this comment. I was getting irritated by all the people talking about how unsafe they were, while I was more annoyed by the fact they worked on the phases from the inside out instead of outside in. Wasted moves
No thank you. I'm a licensed electrical contractor. What these guys are doing goes above and beyond. One mistake and limbs get blown off. I'll stick with wiring buildings.
I do industrial electrical and brand new oil platform electrical and plants I have seen 15kv breaker go slap through a brick wall in a plant and down 10 stories to the ground from it blowing up when we was powering up
Even those gloves they use. Even if they look safe, they might not be. Weird stuff happens with kilovolts. If there is a PIN HOLE on a glove, they could be fried and dead. They have to be pressure tested every day or so.
Yeah I just graduated line school and watching this video even I could tell this was super unsafe, they didn't even cover the crossarm, hell no would I be in that bucket without proper insulation
This work is a lot different than the work I do. Climbing up utility poles with gaffs in the Navy Seabees is about as close as I ever got to being a lineman. Look, lock, drop. Repeat. I rewire old houses theses days and there's no shortage of old houses and work in New Jersey. Thanks for the informative video.
We would have used tiger-tails to insulate the lines. Then we'd be going in with a line spreader pole that squeezes the lines apart and anchors them together. The spreader gets picked-up by a crane to lift them above the pole height. (Our poles are steel and concrete - so very conductive) Then we'd have the machine place the pole into the ground anchor, where it would be grouted in - absolutely 100% plumb. Then the crane would lower the wires to correct height - where line anchoring would occur. We place lines on the top of the cross-arm and bolt the insulator cap down The spreader bar is packed-up and everything looks perfect. Nobody gets between lines - nobody is holding a loaded cable.
While it appears to me that both linemen aloft are experienced, if the intention of the video is for instructional purposes the procedures are lacking. I have no problem with how the field phase was worked, the middle phase was tied off outside of the work area so the use of rubber on the line was unnecessary. Once the phase was deadended and complete it should have been 100% covered. The over the arm tap was exposed and a blanket was draped haphazardly over it, if that’s the extent of how you cover, why bother? Then once the middle phase is complete and work starts on the road phase there is no cover on the middle phase over the arm tap!!! Again, why bother with a blanket on the field phase tap if that’s how you cover? If safety man pulled up where I’m at, asses would be really sore. But what do I know, I’ve only done Line work for 43 years.
I work for utility not a line worker I remember these guys got hurt really bad they said it was from working under a uncovered line. One guy he had to talk with one of those buzzers holding on his neck like people that get cancer from smoking. I guess the line got him in the neck and chest he was all burned up in a wheel chair with one arm missing too. I helped him setup his computer they wanted him to work at a desk he just sat there all day. I think it was some sort of lawsuit thing where the company was trying to get out of lifetime disability. I had heard there was a supervisor who got fired because he was pushing them to do it. The company started training after that anyone had the power to stop work not just supervisor. It was about 13-14 years ago. I'm in Arizona also maybe you know about that's all I can say here.
So much for two layers of protection when they handled that energized phase without cover up. Also we call the pork chops, grips and that’s a hot hoist.
Cost of installation, maintenance, and removal. Accessibility is horrible. You usually need to take an excavator and possibly a jack hammer just to access a line. I do not think underground work can be done live either.
Wow safety violation heaven, not to mention bad practices. They didn't even install the plastic shields inside the grab insulators to protect from line vibration damage. Not to mention the guys on the ground not wearing hotline gloves as the pole is being put up in place.
Are they working with a bucked that is totally insulated? To me this looked like the most unsafe procedure ever, their faces was just a less then a inch from touching the lines several times. You do not want to loose your face and eyes in an arc flash... Also that lifting the electric wire over their heads was scary as hell. A little error and there would be roasted linemen everywhere ?.
I feel that's the way to go imo. No service assurance is worth making a job 10x more dangerous than it has to be. I would rather my power go off for a couple hours or a day and know the linemen are safer. The job can probably be done faster when power is off too. Ground both ends of all 3 phases and it is safe to work on.
That's the harsh reality of US capitalism. In Europe we have more of a "soziale Marktwirtschaft" (not always very social, but for sure better than in the US). Protection of workers has a higher value here in relation to maximizing profit than in the US.
@@dillanglover107 We have deenergizations very very rarely here in Germany. I would assume that we have more backup. When I was a child (30years ago) we had more outages, but the energy supply has improved and I cannot remember any outage over the last years, not even during thunderstorms.
I watched a video called Life on The Line with Travolta and my respect for these guys jumped 110% Thank You to all the Lineman who risk their lives for our comfort.
Yes, and because companies are looking for diversity you have really good odds of landing a job. Go and seek a job out you'll be surprised how approachable they are are. (At least this is the case in Australia)
To everyone pointing out mistakes let me know when you have done actual linework talking about cover and setting poles and they should have done this and should have done that and why pull slack out of a tangent to make an over arm jumper ... we’ll be cause the less connections the less things to potentially fail... I would have double rigged to keep equal tension on the double dead end but can’t be a Monday morning qb and say what YOU would have done
Engineers call for double dead not the lineman they get paid a lot of money think they are smarter than the hands out there building the stuff lol right now we are stringing in 336 tree wire and every pole is a double dead end and fully covered fun stuff
Was glad to see the safety briefing at the beginning! I was concerned however at the 4:35 mark to see the uncovered arm of the man lift directly under the exposed live line. Is the boom isolated from ground somehow? Thanks guys for your service and keeping the power flowing, safety has to be the #1 priority in everything we do so everyone goes home to their families at the end of each day!
This really is not the safest crew. Many places would have much more rubber up there. With that being said, yes, the bucket has an insolated lining in it so even if you do make contact, it would only bite you, not electrocute you. Many buckets also have insulated booms along side with the insulated bucket. So even if they make contact they probably won't get injured.
@@TheBanjoShowOfficial at 4:34 when they placed the center line, in the background you can see the white arm of the boom from the winch truck is unprotected!
The bucket truck(manlift) they are working out of would have minimum insulated rating of 46,000 volts, and the upper boom arm is mostly all fiberglass and insulated. In theory the lineman could barehand the line from the bucket and be ok, but the real danger is line to line contact. If they make contact between the two lines, there is no insulaiton to protect them other than the rubber gloves/sleeves they are wearing.
It's interesting to hear the comments from the retired linemen. It's called progress, guys. We get better at things over time. A surgeon who spent 30 years doing open heart surgery with very low success rates would be bewildered watching a surgeon today perform cardiac catheterization as an outpatient procedure!!
Doesn’t matter how long you’ve been retired as a lineman, or going to school for it now, the amount of safety violations is incredibly high. These men are lucky to be alive with how they are practicing this trade. Numerous times in this video they performed unsafe tasks which could’ve killed the both of them in the bucket instantly because of there neglect to cover second points of contact.
Yea but working with the same electricity that kills you the same as 50 years ago doesn’t give you more wiggle room between life and death. It’s a shit comparison. Rubber protection is good. Saying we are in a new time really doesn’t apply when it comes to good safety measures here.
much respect for those that do this kind of work... as an ex-military men, u couldn't pay me enough to do this... i respect electricity too damn much to mess with it.
Wow I had no idea linemen ever touched the lines. I know their gloves are rated for it but I still assumed all work was done in a way to best avoid it. Are the bucket trucks fully insulated from ground? Wondering how bad it would be if one slipped up and it contacted their skin such as their face.
Trucks a fully insulated 3 times, bucket liner, and twice on the boom. You can touch energized conductor so long as you’re fully insulated, as you are in a bucket, so long as there is no crossphasing or path to ground.
Besides the lack of cover up, just putting it in the shoe on one side and pulling up tension til you got your “jumper” on the other side, you know that pole is crooked now, and center had to be waaay tighter to achieve that jumper. So brand new crooked pole and bad sag. Why double deadend it to begin with?
One question I always wondered about when it comes to these prefabbed cross-arms that use no underside bracing: How does a corss-arm like this maintain stability so it doesn't wag in the wind? Do they use multiple bolts to mount it?
These are fiberglass crossarms. Most fiberglass crossarms have a bracket which holds a bolt above and below the crossarm. This prevents the crossarm from moving. Hope this helps.
especially with all the safety violations if i was that forman i would kill that crew. thankfully they actually made it down shame on those lineman no cover up in the line or pole
The cover-up on this job was not adequate. I would use this video for instruction on how to NOT do the job. The linemen were successful, but didn’t work it properly.
Risking lives for a couple of hours without fucking electricity. Can't see the point of that job. Accident waiting to happen. Bring the power down, get the line grounded and work on it.
Wow currently a journeyman lineman and there is so much wrong with this video. These guys need to have some better training or some better leadership. At the end of the day a few more steps may be necessary and a few extra minutes to do them but it’s worth it to come home and not get hurt or see a fellow worker hurt.
Y put double deadends it u could have just raise it and kept it straight ..great way to pit someone in harms way ....its just a simple pole set and changeover...suspend the crew and tge narrator
You don’t need a ton of rubber like everyone is bitching about here. If your in between phases it’s good to have plenty of rubber but if your on the outside of the phase you don’t need it. Just more shit you have to move and waste time and energy on.
I mean did they get it done yes but I think there should been more cover as a precaution when setting and then moving phase overhead is fine but should have had cover on it and lift it but the cover upside down so it protects not only you but also anything it could come in contact with
They should have never done this. It's entirely too dangerous. If they don't do it nobody would ever get hurt. The only thing 2 electricians agree on is that the third one is wrong.
@@AlfonsoFlorification I just recently graduated line school so not a lineman just yet but this is what I saw, when working energized lines you want to insulate everything around you so that if you accidentally touch something you won't be making a second point of contact (which is why you get shocked) and so these guys didn't cover the crossarm, the pole itself, every conductor, every insulator, and every thing in general, you want everything around you to be covered, this was super unsafe
On very high voltage lines....why do they (you??) occasionally-over-distance "mix-up" the order of the phases?? In other words, the middle phase (for example) is physically moved to an outside or upper/lower position...and so on thru the phases. If I were guessing....it has something to do with long-line inductance management??? I've always been interested in energy creation and delivery and could keep asking questions all day long....well, not really...but I do have several. I wish there was a good book, but no doubt only "weird" people like me would buy such a document... :) Unlikely to be a best seller!
I do not fully understand what you asking but I do not think the phases are mixed up on purpose. On transmission, there is a safety line on top and then single or dual or more circuit 3 phase. As long as the phase rotation is correct at the producer and consumer then there should not be a problem. Hole this helps.
@@ElectroTree01 - Many thanks for the input. I apologize for not making total sense. I understand 3 phase power, but I’m not an expert. Where I used to live, there is a many-mile-long power distro line. The towers are 150 or so feet high. There is the very top safety wire going from pole top to pole top. Then there are two separate three phase power circuits…one circuit on each side of the poles, each circuit consisting of three phase wires….I’ll call the top wire phase A, the middle wire Phase B and the bottom wire is phase C. Every 5 to 10 miles, on poles that are slightly larger in overall size, the wires for phase A are moved down to where phase B was….and phase B is moved down to where phase C was. The original phase C wires are then moved to become the top, or where phase A was originally located on the pole. Some miles farther down the road, this same thing of rotating the phases is done once again, and so on, from origination plant to a large sub-station many miles away. This is done for both 3 phase circuits on the pole. There is no mixing or rotation of phases between phase wires between three phase circuits on either side of the pole (that would be really weird if done that way). My guess is that this is almost certainly something to do with distributed inductance or capacitance, but I don’t see this phase rotation most anywhere else….except there is one long distance distro where I currently live and that same mixing of the phases is done on this one distro line as well. Thanks for your time!
@@thomthumbe Yeah I don’t really know why they did that. Never seen anything like that before and most of where I live is horizontal but transitions from horizontal to rare vertical are very crazy and confusing sometimes. Interesting.
They worked outside the phases, never had a loose wire flopping around, the arm made out of same material as the jumper pins, and they stayed out of reach of the pole. What’s the issue
Arm is fiberglass I think the insulators are plastic or polymer. They didn’t not apply enough line guards or coverup to protect themselves from the high voltage if one measure of protection failed. You can never be too safe.
yall got it easy. my utility would have hoses on all three lines and the neutral, unless the neutral can be untied in which case it will drop well out of the HOT ZONE. but I see how you have the link sticks. and dont let that static sound scare you folks. its a bird on a wire. respect it. you can't smell it. you can't see it. you can't hear it. but you'll know when you EVER fuck up. look out for one another and just like the two in the bucket in gloves and sleeves were doing, COMMUNICATION!
It's always a good time coming to the comment section of videos like this. Somehow, every expert on the planet chimes in about how dangerous and stupid these guys are. I mean it's comical. "I've worked for (insert number of decades here) and never have I seen such disregard for safety blah blah blah". It's painfully obvious they've never worked a day as a lineman but that doesn't stop them from making an azz out of themselves. Welcome to fantasyland where you can be anything you want and have any amount of experience doing it.
If u live on the east coast u don’t have to jump thru that hoop . First energy & Pepco pay for everything up front ( salary & schooling ) . Their desperate for linesman .
I don't know shit about electricity but i've always though if you touch those lines you get automatically burn. Why isnt this happening? Those gloves protecting from so much powe?
So what happens if the cumalong breaks or breaks the line or looses tension all the sudden?? With no facecshielding on seems like they could take it to the face... or when placing in insulators theyre in a tiny bucket and theyre working and communicating together as they lift and place it? Wind play a big factor in this? Just wondering cuz my team would never send a man up, gloved or suited fully up.. they would rather rely totally on poles and insulated pulley systems...
Linemen need more credit. Because with shows having jobs that are considered the deadliest the reason they are considered deadly is because of how many people die. If lineman wanted to have they're job considered the deadliest job it would be easy to become careless. The Only reason they don't have the deadliest job is because of their skill and professionalism prevents many accidents and deaths. which is Why they deserve more credit because their job is extremely hazardous and can be deadly but they don't allow it to be that way due to their professionalism.
See blanket on insulator but not the shoe?! No guts on phases moving over the top of your head?! No split blanket on arm even though it’s fiberglass arm but was it tested?
So from 1 to 10. How dangerous is this? 1 being at home on the couch 10 being the first wave storming the beaches of normandy at the front of the boat.
How is the vehcile isolated from ground? Just by the tires? I mean imagine accidental touch of one phase to metal arm of the crane you guys are up there.
The tires insulate a tiny bit but on bucket trucks, there is usually a liner and insulated boom(s). I don’t know about cranes though. Cranes have to be grounded where I live when doing work so it’d probably create an arc.
Retired lineman 31 years couldn't believe how close they placed themselves without cover on hot lines 😲
Exactly
That’s the difference between Union and Co-Op…. That’s nothing Lol. Short handed and overworked, your nuts get bigger!!
Lifting an energized line up and over one's head seemed a bit dangerous.
More PPE and distance inspecting a 480 400A transfer switch.
Even at 4160, he got his beard real close to the wires.
I don’t know what they’re doing but I’ll just hate on em too.
Why is there no rubber?
That comment was funny. LOL
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I spent 0 years as a lineman and i see nothing wrong. Good job guys!
I see how you find nothing wrong working as a lineman for 0 yrs. Lol....
BudHound 420 That’s the joke which he is making 🤦🏻♂️
i see many problems in this video
I've actually observed something similar. I can't speak to what is wrong or correct, but it was a bit different than this.
Looks good to me, tie it in.
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Super sketchy, I would want coverup on that phase right infront of my face.
"how much rubber you want??"
"Huh? What's that??"
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LMAO, exactly. So odd watching how other places around the US do their line work. JL from IL here.
If one of my crews set a pole and performed this work, I would fire all of them on the spot. This video shows an extreme lack of training, from truck set ups, to proper i&i. Frankly who ever posted this should not be in the utility industry unless this is an example of what not to do.
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Yeap, some may indeed say this is sloppy practice, ( it is ) 🤪🤔🤨
Can you elaborate? I'm genuinely interested in your perspective of how you would do a 3 phase tangent to dead end transfer?
@@badasssnow cover up for starters. No pole plastic or blankets on pole while setting it. Putting a impact on a hot insulator while the battery is right next to the arm. I mean this was just complete garbage to use as a teaching point. Moving wire without a blanket on the arm or a single hose on the line? What if they let it go? Sure it’s a fiberglass arm but damn. Didn’t look like it was in a jib unless I missed it. Also work yourself out not work your way in. Less cover up. It all electrifies and works but damn I’m surprised they get away with this stuff. Also they tamped the pole before canting it unless that’s just the editing idk.
Thanks for the honesty. I'm looking to get in the profession so don't know right from wrong so trying to learn as much as possible
They seemed very relaxed which is another thing we call complacency. I kept thinking one of these guys is gonna get his face bit. I guess everybody has a different level of comfort. Or lack of respect. If you said one of these guys is dead in 5yrs I wouldn’t be surprised and I’ll leave it at that.
25 year retired lineman here. Don't think I have ever seen so many safety violations on one job.Shame on the line foreman. SMH
Yeah you’re definitely not a foreman I would want to work for
Nick Deabreu what r they
38 yr retired lineman here, I see what you mean.
Nick Deabreu Everyone is an armchair expert. Procedures change.
@jaw willow a step 3 apprentice here and I see a few but the major safety issue I see is lack of cover up especially pole wraps and cross arm cover
While it looks good on camera there should be alot more rubbers up there someone gets butter fingers and u have nice arc flashes
At one point one the guys face was about 2cm (less than a inch) from that live wire (if if was really live)... th-cam.com/video/KrQ17myzSFw/w-d-xo.html
Oh shly
@@a64738 He can actually touch a live wire, because he's insulated from the ground. It'll sting quite a bit (his body would work as a capacitor, passing some of the AC current) but won't be dangerous.
@@AlexBesogonov His body wont just be a capacitor to the environment, his body will energize the WHOLE TRUCK and the capacitive leakage currents will probably hurt him.
Butter fingers on what? They’re not cutting wire tails? 3 wire construction gives you plenty of spacing between yourself and opposite phases. The knuckle on their boom is very low so they basically covered the 2 first phases they transferred for no reason other than the camera. It’s a fiberglass arm if you’re concerned about second point of contact maybe??? Are you an apprentice?
Yea if these boys were on duke system they'd be fired. No cover on the arm or pole, boom under uncovered energized phases, energized phases uncovered to their back. No positive control over wire while being moved.
I agree man. It’s pretty amazing people continue to work like that.
I'm very surprised that the employer allows that kind of risk taking. It's not just a personal risk but if they had lost control of those lines and dropped one on the arm the power would be gone and the cost of fixing the burnt mess would cost dearly.
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Experienced lineman use common sense when they work. Scared or inexperienced lineman, do every little thing the company asks for regardless if it makes sense or not. They did nothing wrong, your company is keeping you in a box. You’re concerned about the boom but look at how far away it is from all the phases. You’re concerned about the energized phases to their backs but look at how far the separation is. Also, they didn’t cut any wire or handle any long tails. What is positive control to you and how would that have been safer than they way they moved the wire? Why would you cover a fiberglass arm? Are you assuming it’s really wet? Are you assuming the pole was soaked in water before they set it? Do you do any logical thinking before you do a job?
Duke sets rubber trees. Fuckin loser.
I'd bet money that the pole is leaning hard to the side the sagged from. And who tamps the pole before you get it canted and plummed up??m
no kidding. gotta plumb bob that pole and then if you are guying it or pulling on it leave it cocked to that side a little bit
dysccophresh lolol I noticed that too. Also gotta love two guys nut ta butt in one bucket......can’t afford a second truck damnnnnn
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LOL!!! I notice that too.
@@linehandibew6205 Hell we here in SE Mich have to do this job with 3 total bodies, and beg for a 4th one.
I would never do that. Just disconnect the powerline and get substation fed from the other side during maintenance time. If there is no redundant line, just get job done without power. Nobody will die due to power outage of a few hours.
Yeah your right if we in the 80s and 90s but The world is changing and the power supply companies have to meet maximum customer outage restrictions - There is a price on human life unfortunately
Thats why you gotta save this kind of work for the real men, stick to your office job.
@@LarryL3g3nd you probably wouldn't last long
Energized work is perfectly safe if done properly.... No need to de energize the line for this type of work.
If that is actually energized, this is a travesty! I was a lineman for 16 years and have NEVER seen anything like this. No pole covers? A handline hanging from the neutral? Barely any cover on the primary? I couldn't even think of this many safety violations if I tried.
that foreman is an idiot. if i was that foreman i would have as much coverup as possible. shame on those lineman...smh
Y’all just scared bitches
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It’s a good thing you just specialized in high signs and molding. Let me know what company you worked for so I know never to go there.
T&D was nicknamed total destruction and I believe have since changed names due to all their incidents
They could have saved themselves some extra cover up by reversing the order they dbl deadended the phases. Throw two hogs on the first phase and proceed to the farthest phase and work your way back out. It will save you having to cover the jumper you just made. Work smarter NOT harder.
Glad I saw this comment. I was getting irritated by all the people talking about how unsafe they were, while I was more annoyed by the fact they worked on the phases from the inside out instead of outside in. Wasted moves
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No thank you. I'm a licensed electrical contractor. What these guys are doing goes above and beyond. One mistake and limbs get blown off. I'll stick with wiring buildings.
I do industrial electrical and brand new oil platform electrical and plants I have seen 15kv breaker go slap through a brick wall in a plant and down 10 stories to the ground from it blowing up when we was powering up
Even those gloves they use. Even if they look safe, they might not be. Weird stuff happens with kilovolts. If there is a PIN HOLE on a glove, they could be fried and dead. They have to be pressure tested every day or so.
If you could make these videos longer that would be awesome 🤙🏼⚡️
Any longer and you'd see where they blow their arms off going phase to phase.
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Wow no rubner gloves on energized primary awesome!!!
I can’t believe anyone would sponsor this video. This whole procedure was the farthest thing from safe or industry standard. Yikes.
Yeah I just graduated line school and watching this video even I could tell this was super unsafe, they didn't even cover the crossarm, hell no would I be in that bucket without proper insulation
It was a fiberglass arm nonconductive
This work is a lot different than the work I do. Climbing up utility poles with gaffs in the Navy Seabees is about as close as I ever got to being a lineman. Look, lock, drop. Repeat. I rewire old houses theses days and there's no shortage of old houses and work in New Jersey. Thanks for the informative video.
Funny seeing you here brother!!!!! New to your channel 💪
Been thinking about joining the Navy and becoming a Seabee. Would you recommend it as a career path in the military?
We would have used tiger-tails to insulate the lines. Then we'd be going in with a line spreader pole that squeezes the lines apart and anchors them together. The spreader gets picked-up by a crane to lift them above the pole height. (Our poles are steel and concrete - so very conductive) Then we'd have the machine place the pole into the ground anchor, where it would be grouted in - absolutely 100% plumb. Then the crane would lower the wires to correct height - where line anchoring would occur. We place lines on the top of the cross-arm and bolt the insulator cap down The spreader bar is packed-up and everything looks perfect. Nobody gets between lines - nobody is holding a loaded cable.
Ur safety level is very high.
Im sorry but what you just mentioned is not needed or necessary. They could have used some more cover up but everything was done fine and safely.
what is tiger tails？
@@shenPatrick Tiger tails are insulated line covers. Good to 7.2 generally.
This profession is completely overlooked and its what keeps the world moving!
He got his face pretty close to the line as he was looking past it at something!
While it appears to me that both linemen aloft are experienced, if the intention of the video is for instructional purposes the procedures are lacking. I have no problem with how the field phase was worked, the middle phase was tied off outside of the work area so the use of rubber on the line was unnecessary. Once the phase was deadended and complete it should have been 100% covered. The over the arm tap was exposed and a blanket was draped haphazardly over it, if that’s the extent of how you cover, why bother? Then once the middle phase is complete and work starts on the road phase there is no cover on the middle phase over the arm tap!!! Again, why bother with a blanket on the field phase tap if that’s how you cover? If safety man pulled up where I’m at, asses would be really sore. But what do I know, I’ve only done Line work for 43 years.
I work for utility not a line worker I remember these guys got hurt really bad they said it was from working under a uncovered line. One guy he had to talk with one of those buzzers holding on his neck like people that get cancer from smoking. I guess the line got him in the neck and chest he was all burned up in a wheel chair with one arm missing too. I helped him setup his computer they wanted him to work at a desk he just sat there all day. I think it was some sort of lawsuit thing where the company was trying to get out of lifetime disability. I had heard there was a supervisor who got fired because he was pushing them to do it. The company started training after that anyone had the power to stop work not just supervisor. It was about 13-14 years ago. I'm in Arizona also maybe you know about that's all I can say here.
Exactly. Thank you
So much for two layers of protection when they handled that energized phase without cover up. Also we call the pork chops, grips and that’s a hot hoist.
Gloves. Bucket liner. insulated boom
@@zachbufmack8541 you just blew his mind
Whats the point of the double dead-end? Cant they just keep it as an intermediate?
Could create isolation point in the future
"come with meee and you'll beee in a world of OSHA violations
Just a thought or suggestion from me. Wouldn't it be safer to start with the middle phase and work outward? Would hate to see an arc.
Why Have You Got Power Lines Vulnerable Above Ground ?
Why Not Subterranean ??
Cost of installation, maintenance, and removal. Accessibility is horrible. You usually need to take an excavator and possibly a jack hammer just to access a line. I do not think underground work can be done live either.
i would never work for this company just super unsafe... and way to many violations on film...
this is why women live longer than men
The 3 phases of 3 wires are live & you'll hear the electricity in contact with the grip on the middle wire.
Is it so hard for someone in the control room to put down their coffee and hit the off switch.
Lol...ignorance is bliss
Wow safety violation heaven, not to mention bad practices. They didn't even install the plastic shields inside the grab insulators to protect from line vibration damage. Not to mention the guys on the ground not wearing hotline gloves as the pole is being put up in place.
Are they working with a bucked that is totally insulated? To me this looked like the most unsafe procedure ever, their faces was just a less then a inch from touching the lines several times. You do not want to loose your face and eyes in an arc flash... Also that lifting the electric wire over their heads was scary as hell. A little error and there would be roasted linemen everywhere ?.
In my area which is in Australia I think that they de-energize the power lines when doing major work such as that !
I feel that's the way to go imo. No service assurance is worth making a job 10x more dangerous than it has to be. I would rather my power go off for a couple hours or a day and know the linemen are safer. The job can probably be done faster when power is off too. Ground both ends of all 3 phases and it is safe to work on.
We do both in Aus. But agree with most comments on this page that this is work to a poor standard. Piss poor cover up
@@redsquirrelftw you’d be surprised how much people complain when we de-energize to do this kind of work
That's the harsh reality of US capitalism. In Europe we have more of a "soziale Marktwirtschaft" (not always very social, but for sure better than in the US). Protection of workers has a higher value here in relation to maximizing profit than in the US.
@@dillanglover107 We have deenergizations very very rarely here in Germany. I would assume that we have more backup. When I was a child (30years ago) we had more outages, but the energy supply has improved and I cannot remember any outage over the last years, not even during thunderstorms.
Nice video, just watched that while on lunch did some line work myself just a little bit earlier. I like those clamp tops a lot, so nice!
I watched a video called Life on The Line with Travolta and my respect for these guys jumped 110% Thank You to all the Lineman who risk their lives for our comfort.
Hahahahahaha
Stupid video with Travolta
are there such thing as line girls? I wanna be one:(
Yes, and because companies are looking for diversity you have really good odds of landing a job. Go and seek a job out you'll be surprised how approachable they are are. (At least this is the case in Australia)
To everyone pointing out mistakes let me know when you have done actual linework talking about cover and setting poles and they should have done this and should have done that and why pull slack out of a tangent to make an over arm jumper ... we’ll be cause the less connections the less things to potentially fail... I would have double rigged to keep equal tension on the double dead end but can’t be a Monday morning qb and say what YOU would have done
LOL someone feels personally attacked by those safety violation callouts
I do . And that my friend double dead ends was a waste of time and life
U put more strain on that wire will make the next pole tighter and you won't get that slack my friend
Engineers call for double dead not the lineman they get paid a lot of money think they are smarter than the hands out there building the stuff lol right now we are stringing in 336 tree wire and every pole is a double dead end and fully covered fun stuff
Was glad to see the safety briefing at the beginning! I was concerned however at the 4:35 mark to see the uncovered arm of the man lift directly under the exposed live line. Is the boom isolated from ground somehow? Thanks guys for your service and keeping the power flowing, safety has to be the #1 priority in everything we do so everyone goes home to their families at the end of each day!
This really is not the safest crew. Many places would have much more rubber up there. With that being said, yes, the bucket has an insolated lining in it so even if you do make contact, it would only bite you, not electrocute you. Many buckets also have insulated booms along side with the insulated bucket. So even if they make contact they probably won't get injured.
Where do you see an uncovered arm? I looked 5 times and saw arms 100% covered
@@TheBanjoShowOfficial at 4:34 when they placed the center line, in the background you can see the white arm of the boom from the winch truck is unprotected!
The bucket truck(manlift) they are working out of would have minimum insulated rating of 46,000 volts, and the upper boom arm is mostly all fiberglass and insulated. In theory the lineman could barehand the line from the bucket and be ok, but the real danger is line to line contact. If they make contact between the two lines, there is no insulaiton to protect them other than the rubber gloves/sleeves they are wearing.
The whole truck is insulated and isolated. For all electrical linemen. Has to be. Or else they’d be fried the instant they got close
Hard to believe that they set that pole with no cover but on one phase what if you lose control of that pole
That second phase installation looked pretty uncomfortable and more than a little nerve-wracking....
Man no wonder so many damn accidents happen!!
Pretty sure you plumb and cant the pole before tamping it in, it’d be impossible to do it after.
It's interesting to hear the comments from the retired linemen. It's called progress, guys. We get better at things over time. A surgeon who spent 30 years doing open heart surgery with very low success rates would be bewildered watching a surgeon today perform cardiac catheterization as an outpatient procedure!!
Doesn’t matter how long you’ve been retired as a lineman, or going to school for it now, the amount of safety violations is incredibly high. These men are lucky to be alive with how they are practicing this trade. Numerous times in this video they performed unsafe tasks which could’ve killed the both of them in the bucket instantly because of there neglect to cover second points of contact.
Yea but working with the same electricity that kills you the same as 50 years ago doesn’t give you more wiggle room between life and death. It’s a shit comparison. Rubber protection is good. Saying we are in a new time really doesn’t apply when it comes to good safety measures here.
much respect for those that do this kind of work... as an ex-military men, u couldn't pay me enough to do this... i respect electricity too damn much to mess with it.
Wow I had no idea linemen ever touched the lines. I know their gloves are rated for it but I still assumed all work was done in a way to best avoid it. Are the bucket trucks fully insulated from ground? Wondering how bad it would be if one slipped up and it contacted their skin such as their face.
Trucks a fully insulated 3 times, bucket liner, and twice on the boom. You can touch energized conductor so long as you’re fully insulated, as you are in a bucket, so long as there is no crossphasing or path to ground.
Blood, guts, body parts, etc. is what can happen if you ever came in contact with that kind of voltage lololol
Wow no cover up on the arm or pole. Not enough hoses either
Besides the lack of cover up, just putting it in the shoe on one side and pulling up tension til you got your “jumper” on the other side, you know that pole is crooked now, and center had to be waaay tighter to achieve that jumper. So brand new crooked pole and bad sag. Why double deadend it to begin with?
@davidb0101 I saw the same thing lol, scabs trying to look like superheroes infront of a camera just to get some shotty linework in the end
I see 4 OSHA violations in this whole video, can you spot them all?
Please enlighten me lol
One question I always wondered about when it comes to these prefabbed cross-arms that use no underside bracing: How does a corss-arm like this maintain stability so it doesn't wag in the wind? Do they use multiple bolts to mount it?
These are fiberglass crossarms.
Most fiberglass crossarms have a bracket which holds a bolt above and below the crossarm.
This prevents the crossarm from moving.
Hope this helps.
Nice Video guys.. Glad to see everyone made it home safely.
especially with all the safety violations if i was that forman i would kill that crew. thankfully they actually made it down shame on those lineman no cover up in the line or pole
The cover-up on this job was not adequate. I would use this video for instruction on how to NOT do the job. The linemen were successful, but didn’t work it properly.
Risking lives for a couple of hours without fucking electricity. Can't see the point of that job. Accident waiting to happen. Bring the power down, get the line grounded and work on it.
Wow. Linemen have a vary DANGOURS job. Electric shock. Falling and. Traffic
Wow currently a journeyman lineman and there is so much wrong with this video. These guys need to have some better training or some better leadership. At the end of the day a few more steps may be necessary and a few extra minutes to do them but it’s worth it to come home and not get hurt or see a fellow worker hurt.
I'll stick with the low voltage stuff.
Y put double deadends it u could have just raise it and kept it straight ..great way to pit someone in harms way ....its just a simple pole set and changeover...suspend the crew and tge narrator
You don’t need a ton of rubber like everyone is bitching about here. If your in between phases it’s good to have plenty of rubber but if your on the outside of the phase you don’t need it. Just more shit you have to move and waste time and energy on.
I mean did they get it done yes but I think there should been more cover as a precaution when setting and then moving phase overhead is fine but should have had cover on it and lift it but the cover upside down so it protects not only you but also anything it could come in contact with
Hi I'm indian from kerala I'm duyig this job on contract in KSEB wil you give job to me.. my english is bad..
They should have never done this. It's entirely too dangerous. If they don't do it nobody would ever get hurt. The only thing 2 electricians agree on is that the third one is wrong.
Moving energized wires to a new crossarm and insulators.
When he put the “pork chop” on and I heard ttszzzt! Told me I don’t want to ever mess with something like that!
For sure, ive got nothing but respect for these guy working in the electrical field/industry
One should ask. At the 5:09 mark. I see we have on gloves and sleeves, yet his face seems to defy the use of any gear. Normal & Ok?
I can't even watch this work. It scares me so much, ooops! No mistakes, no forgiveness!
Ha guys are a joke
Wont want be anywhere near these energized lines without protective rubber covering and positive control
I work em withot gloves all time...💥🤫
Amo esse trabalho, é muito bom
I love this job, I learn a lot of good things
Esse trahbalho é muito perigoso. Que Deus abençoe ao todos.
No safety department I suppose WTF
Dumb question sorry but what exactly were they doing wrong safety wise ? Just curious
@@AlfonsoFlorification I just recently graduated line school so not a lineman just yet but this is what I saw, when working energized lines you want to insulate everything around you so that if you accidentally touch something you won't be making a second point of contact (which is why you get shocked) and so these guys didn't cover the crossarm, the pole itself, every conductor, every insulator, and every thing in general, you want everything around you to be covered, this was super unsafe
Welcome to the real world. Nobody I have ever worked with uses that much cover. And why would you cover a fiberglass crossarm anyway?
Yeah i think i would have done a few things different myself .
would have better just to watch it, we don't need commentary
Why take cover off to move who is training these men keep the ambulance close
On very high voltage lines....why do they (you??) occasionally-over-distance "mix-up" the order of the phases?? In other words, the middle phase (for example) is physically moved to an outside or upper/lower position...and so on thru the phases. If I were guessing....it has something to do with long-line inductance management??? I've always been interested in energy creation and delivery and could keep asking questions all day long....well, not really...but I do have several. I wish there was a good book, but no doubt only "weird" people like me would buy such a document... :) Unlikely to be a best seller!
I do not fully understand what you asking but I do not think the phases are mixed up on purpose. On transmission, there is a safety line on top and then single or dual or more circuit 3 phase.
As long as the phase rotation is correct at the producer and consumer then there should not be a problem.
Hole this helps.
@@ElectroTree01 - Many thanks for the input. I apologize for not making total sense. I understand 3 phase power, but I’m not an expert. Where I used to live, there is a many-mile-long power distro line. The towers are 150 or so feet high. There is the very top safety wire going from pole top to pole top. Then there are two separate three phase power circuits…one circuit on each side of the poles, each circuit consisting of three phase wires….I’ll call the top wire phase A, the middle wire Phase B and the bottom wire is phase C. Every 5 to 10 miles, on poles that are slightly larger in overall size, the wires for phase A are moved down to where phase B was….and phase B is moved down to where phase C was. The original phase C wires are then moved to become the top, or where phase A was originally located on the pole. Some miles farther down the road, this same thing of rotating the phases is done once again, and so on, from origination plant to a large sub-station many miles away. This is done for both 3 phase circuits on the pole. There is no mixing or rotation of phases between phase wires between three phase circuits on either side of the pole (that would be really weird if done that way). My guess is that this is almost certainly something to do with distributed inductance or capacitance, but I don’t see this phase rotation most anywhere else….except there is one long distance distro where I currently live and that same mixing of the phases is done on this one distro line as well. Thanks for your time!
@@thomthumbe Yeah I don’t really know why they did that. Never seen anything like that before and most of where I live is horizontal but transitions from horizontal to rare vertical are very crazy and confusing sometimes. Interesting.
They worked outside the phases, never had a loose wire flopping around, the arm made out of same material as the jumper pins, and they stayed out of reach of the pole. What’s the issue
Arm is fiberglass I think the insulators are plastic or polymer. They didn’t not apply enough line guards or coverup to protect themselves from the high voltage if one measure of protection failed.
You can never be too safe.
The pole holding the lines could be grounded
They dirtted and tamped the hole before plumbing it. Hahah wtf
Burns an mcdonald sucks an its a hot hoist not a come along there made with a steel cable
You guys still live in the 50's, we got rid of hydro-poles like 50 years ago in my country, all is underground, and no more outages.
Absolutely EVERYTHING is underground? Cause underground utilities still have outages. And it’s harder to deal with.
yall got it easy. my utility would have hoses on all three lines and the neutral, unless the neutral can be untied in which case it will drop well out of the HOT ZONE.
but I see how you have the link sticks.
and dont let that static sound scare you folks. its a bird on a wire.
respect it. you can't smell it. you can't see it. you can't hear it. but you'll know when you EVER fuck up. look out for one another and just like the two in the bucket in gloves and sleeves were doing, COMMUNICATION!
It's always a good time coming to the comment section of videos like this. Somehow, every expert on the planet chimes in about how dangerous and stupid these guys are. I mean it's comical. "I've worked for (insert number of decades here) and never have I seen such disregard for safety blah blah blah". It's painfully obvious they've never worked a day as a lineman but that doesn't stop them from making an azz out of themselves. Welcome to fantasyland where you can be anything you want and have any amount of experience doing it.
I always wondered what plumbobuses were for.
I just finished a electrical diploma course in a tech college can’t wait to join the union and get an apprenticeship 👍🏻⚡️
If u live on the east coast u don’t have to jump thru that hoop . First energy & Pepco pay for everything up front ( salary & schooling ) . Their desperate for linesman .
La técnica de aislado sobre aislado es cubrir toda la referencia a tierra y no cubren con protectores ni con mantas se arriesgan mucho
I don't know shit about electricity but i've always though if you touch those lines you get automatically burn. Why isnt this happening? Those gloves protecting from so much powe?
So what happens if the cumalong breaks or breaks the line or looses tension all the sudden?? With no facecshielding on seems like they could take it to the face... or when placing in insulators theyre in a tiny bucket and theyre working and communicating together as they lift and place it? Wind play a big factor in this? Just wondering cuz my team would never send a man up, gloved or suited fully up.. they would rather rely totally on poles and insulated pulley systems...
I wouldn't mind doing this type of work on a beautiful day but it would suck big-time in shitty weather.
You are only allowed no mistakes. One mistake, you're toast.
Nice job, lm from Dominican republic.
As a line-man I can confirm that we are all very very overpaid. Long live the brotherhood!
Not overpaid… don’t cut your own head off.
You’re paid well for the job that requires a high degree of safety. The pay should probably be more…
Linemen need more credit. Because with shows having jobs that are considered the deadliest the reason they are considered deadly is because of how many people die. If lineman wanted to have they're job considered the deadliest job it would be easy to become careless. The Only reason they don't have the deadliest job is because of their skill and professionalism prevents many accidents and deaths. which is Why they deserve more credit because their job is extremely hazardous and can be deadly but they don't allow it to be that way due to their professionalism.
Don't know shit about power lines, just curious, what's the point of having the "bubble" or loose spot over the top insulator?
See blanket on insulator but not the shoe?! No guts on phases moving over the top of your head?! No split blanket on arm even though it’s fiberglass arm but was it tested?
So from 1 to 10. How dangerous is this? 1 being at home on the couch 10 being the first wave storming the beaches of normandy at the front of the boat.
It’s much difficult in WA to do this kind of transfer because gloving is not allowed above 5kV.
fuck that, couldn't pay me enough to touch those live wires. Don't care how thick them gloves are.
buzzzzzzzt
Great job
Congratulations to the high voltage lineman team
Let's cover it all but the damn shoe. Outside Phase while working middle phase.
Here i thought my limemen budys were calling beer pork. Chops. Lol
Looks good to me tie it in.
How is the vehcile isolated from ground? Just by the tires? I mean imagine accidental touch of one phase to metal arm of the crane you guys are up there.
The tires insulate a tiny bit but on bucket trucks, there is usually a liner and insulated boom(s). I don’t know about cranes though.
Cranes have to be grounded where I live when doing work so it’d probably create an arc.
IF ANY LINE CUT DUE TO STRESS DURING WORKING THE WHOLE DRAMA WILL CHANGE TO OTHER SCENE. ON EVERY MIN THERE IS VOLIATION OF SAFETY