Vinh Vu of Gingko audio said the following regarding making Lazuli cables with Final or DCA's VIVO connectors: "We can make cables with the Vivo and Final connectors but it will cost more as an option so we didn't list them on the website. Customers can email us with requests with ANY headphones even rare ones like the Raal but we handle them on a case by case basis." I'll pin this comment for easy viewing - WT
@@johenkay1129 imo you have to think of cables as a whole system. if you hear a major improvement in the headphones, for example, it will also exacerbate the other bottlenecked cables in your system
I like it, I believe it- always enjoy your content: Problem now is that with my current chain (Yggdrasil A2/OG-> Freya+ with vintage tubes -> Tyr monoblock speaker amp-> Susvaras via stock ‘catheter’ cable) - it’s all already there. JOMO! Happy listening!
I just can’t. I use aftermarket cables to get the connections and length I need but $2500 cables are ludicrous. You could spend that much and get excellent components that will actually improve the sound.
I would NEVER spend this type of money on a cable! I view them as blatant ripoffs. High purity copper? Common. Silver clad copper? Common. I went to their ‘Technology’ tab on their website and there’s nothing there. Nothing! So exactly what are they doing differently that makes their cables so expensive? They might be better than lower priced cables from their own line but are they truly better than cables 1/10th the price sourced from elsewhere? My admittedly casual experimentation says, No.
go to one of the CAN JAM shows and give them a listen. You will be blown away regardless of what the price is. Take your phones with you. If they are a common connector they may let you swap cables right at the show.
@@mcgjohn22 skeptic James Randi, through his foundation One Million Dollar Paranormal Challenge, offered a prize of $1 million to anyone able to demonstrate that $7,250 audio cables "are any better than ordinary audio cables". In 2008, audio reviewer Michael Fremer attempted to claim the prize, and said that Randi declined the challenge. Randi said that the cable manufacturer Pear Cables was the one who withdrew.
@@En_Joshi-Godrez Grow up. If you can't trust your own hearing you should stay at Audio Science Review. Nobody likes better things being this much more expensive but they wouldn't stay in business if it was all a placebo.
I tested a Rhapsody cable on a pair of Meze Empyreans OGs with the Angled Alcantara earpads. The combination of this new earpad with the Rhapsody cable is transformational to the Empyrean OG. Absolutely everything WT said about the Rhapsody matches my experience. Plus, Vinh at Ginko audio is a pleasure to deal with and talk to. Try 'em at your own risk... as you WILL want them, badly.
I love the Lazuli References [the original version and the plus version (which is a little brighter but has a bit clearer bass)]. It's great on ZMFs. It makes vocals sound fuller and more organic.
I do my own cables using cables/conductors from another galaxy, but I must say this: Heat shrink over the connectors is LAME, LAME, LAME work... and then asking that price for that lame work is just insulting.
I intend to construct a 50ft headphone cable consisting of silver-hafnium-phosphate conductors shrouded in a wool-silica composite. End-to-end connectivity will consist of 3.5 mm to XLR-4 pin balanced termination, with both plugs soldered to pico board ADC/DAC pairs to transmit the signal across the cable, digitally. Gain will be facilitated digitally by plugging the cable in for ON and subsequently unplugging it again for OFF or really really low gain. And when not in use, I intend to plug the headphone cable into the wall to power my house. The entire cable will retail for the reasonable price of 1 infinity stone.
@@kato2395Thank you! Thank you! My background in power line design motivates me to use these size 0# half-inch thick cables everywhere, as the final statement in quality. And as the ultimate keepsake for you doing business with me I intend to ship the most desired item in the macguffin, which is as of yet still unseen by the world's most enthusiastic audiophiles.
@@kato2395Thank you! Thank you! My background in power line design motivates me to use these size 0# half-inch thick cables everywhere, as the final statement in quality. And as the ultimate keepsake for you doing business with me I intend to ship the most desired item in the macguffin, which is as of yet still unseen by the world's most enthusiastic audiophiles.
Thanks for saying AND hearing the truth 🙏 without my upgrade cables in my system i would rather choose my dap that i was using years ago for better musical enjoyment. Dont forget to upgrade ALL cables: headphone, interconnects, power cables, usb and co and LAN of course. There is great price to Performance at some companies its more worthwhile to use all decent upgrade cables in the chain than one or 2 flagship cables
Assuming the cable impedance is a small fraction of driver impedance (usually the case and even moreso the case with headphones than speakers), it's time-domain factors. Capacitance and inductance are two such factors that vary signal propagation speed with frequency, but they are just the start. When different frequencies travel through the wire at different speeds, their time alignment gets distorted. When multiple frequencies are present at once, as they always are in a music signal, these time shifts, aka phase distortions, will impact the shape of the waveform that reaches the driver. The simple FR frequency response tests we commonly see won't catch this because they only look at the behavior of one frequency at a time.
@@wavetheorysound I generally agree with that. And then, if you look at the Danacables Lazuli Nirvana (seems their top line) product page, what they themselves write about it is "The Nirvana consists of 33% more copper than the Ultra and a full 100% more than the Reference, resulting in the lowest possible measurements of resistance, inductance, and capacitance." which would potentially suggest they believe overall conductor thickness/AWG is most crucial to minimize those 3 factors. Of course there might be other elements used in the build that impact them (connector manufacturer & model, gold vs rhodium connector plating, shielding, braiding etc.), but it seems they themselves suggest AWG might be #1, no? Conductor material, such as inclusion of silver wires doesn't necessarily seem to be as important, as it's also used in their lowest Ultralite line and it's nonetheless positioned at the bottom of their portfolio (so while I believe it can impact the sound character it doesn't necessarily universally make an upgrade, rather sidegrade). Other subjectively most appreciated cables that people mention, such as DHC Prion 4, Norne Silvergarde S4 etc. are ~19 AWG (or 20 for Lavricables Grand), so roughly lowest available AWG for a headphone cable.
@@wavetheorysound I generally agree with that. And then, if you look at the Danacables Lazuli Nirvana (seems their top line) product page, what they themselves write about it is "The Nirvana consists of 33% more copper than the Ultra and a full 100% more than the Reference, resulting in the lowest possible measurements of resistance, inductance, and capacitance." which would potentially suggest they believe overall conductor thickness/AWG is most crucial to minimize those 3 factors. Of course there might be other elements used in the build that impact them (connector manufacturer & model, gold vs rhodium connector plating, shielding, braiding etc.), but it seems they themselves suggest AWG might be #1, no? Conductor material, such as inclusion of silver wires doesn't necessarily seem to be as important, as it's also used in their lowest Ultralite line and it's nonetheless positioned at the bottom of their portfolio (so while I believe it can impact the sound character it doesn't necessarily universally make an upgrade, rather sidegrade). Other subjectively most appreciated cables that people mention, such as DHC Prion 4, Norne Silvergarde S4 etc. are ~19 AWG (or 20 for Lavricables Grand), so roughly lowest available AWG for a headphone cable.
@@wavetheorysound I generally agree with that. And then, if you look at the Danacables Lazuli Nirvana (seems their top line) product page, what they themselves write about it is "The Nirvana consists of 33% more copper than the Ultra and a full 100% more than the Reference, resulting in the lowest possible measurements of resistance, inductance, and capacitance." which would potentially suggest they believe overall conductor thickness/AWG is most crucial to minimize those 3 factors. Of course there might be other elements used in the build that impact them (connector manufacturer & model, gold vs rhodium connector plating, shielding, braiding etc.), but it seems they themselves suggest AWG might be #1, no? Conductor material, such as inclusion of silver wires doesn't necessarily seem to be as important, as it's also used in their lowest Ultralite line and it's nonetheless positioned at the bottom of their portfolio (so while I believe it can impact the sound character it doesn't necessarily universally make an upgrade, rather sidegrade). Other subjectively most appreciated cables that people mention, such as DHC Prion 4, Norne Silvergarde S4 etc. are ~19 AWG (or 20 for Lavricables Grand), so roughly lowest available AWG for a headphone cable.
@@wavetheorysound I generally agree with that. And then, if you look at the Danacables Lazuli Nirvana (seems their top line) product page, what they themselves write about it is "The Nirvana consists of 33% more copper than the Ultra and a full 100% more than the Reference, resulting in the lowest possible measurements of resistance, inductance, and capacitance." which would potentially suggest they believe overall conductor thickness/AWG is most crucial to minimize those 3 factors. Of course there might be other elements used in the build that impact them (connector manufacturer & model, gold vs rhodium connector plating, shielding, braiding etc.), but it seems they themselves suggest AWG might be #1, no? Conductor material, such as inclusion of silver wires doesn't necessarily seem to be as important, as it's also used in their lowest Ultralite line and it's nonetheless positioned at the bottom of their portfolio (so while I believe it can impact the sound character it doesn't necessarily universally make an upgrade, rather sidegrade). Other subjectively most appreciated cables that people mention, such as DHC Prion 4, Norne Silvergarde S4 etc. are ~19 AWG (or 20 for Lavricables Grand), so roughly lowest available AWG for a headphone cable.
Does this cable magically cause symphonies to be imaged _in front of you_ in a 60 to 90 degree arc with nothing sounding like it's coming from the headphone drivers?
I have heard some of these danacables and yes they do make a difference but jeez they price to improvement ratio is tough. Once you settle on an endgame headphone perhaps you make the case it still.
Sure, that they fixed the connector issue. But let's not forget how much these cost. The issue should not have existed in the first place. If I were to buy one, I would have very high expectations and rightfully so.
I had a feeling that's how it would go. I remember back in the day when you told me to try a better cable - and I did and yes there was a difference. As I've progressed up the ladder some in custom cables I have been pleased with what I have and leary of needing to spend more than $1K on a cable and if it would really add benefit but hearing you capitualte to the upper end customs I now beleive too out of past experience. I will have to get one for my Susvara and then I do not want to be notified or whatch any video reviews of the Nivana, OK?
@@wavetheorysound For now I am good with DS as this is the higher end version😊, but frankly I will appreciate a longer term review as the hype is high at present.
Those reddit people are so gonna cry just looking at the title of the video. Apparently there is an echo chamber going on there that cables do not change sound and everyone that has a different opinion is going to be attacked and cancelled.
Those redditards just buy cheap sub 100$ snake oil cables from suspicious chinese sites or they use garbage topping amps as a source. On better source chains like from schiit audio asgard 3 onwards cables did make a noticeable difference.
@@Del_987Came to say this, but gladly it was already taken care of. No one has provenly blind ABX'd volume matched a decent cable vs a very expensive one unless there was some signal processing within the cable, but that can only subtract from the signal.
@@davidallanmusic I think it's a waste of time and I'm not the one making a positive claim. I recently spend a few weeks testing speaker cables around these price ranges and it took insane effort to get past the placebo and realize that the cheap Amazon cable sounded identical. Testing these non-blind just isn't possible to begin with.
Heat shrink on a $3000 cable is inexcusable. I’d rather buy Norne, Viking Weave or Meze for upgrade cables. On top of that they’re using cheap terminations like Aeco and not Rean or Neutrik Rhodium or gold connectors. Ridiculous price.
I agree with you but the Aeco 3.5mm connectors are not cheap, they are either Silver or Rhodium plated Copper. Aeco connectors are of good quality & good value too.
@@sjqideez6626 The fact that one of the cables was having connectivity problems is absurd for its price point. At that price nothing should be stiff either. Look at Viking Weave, Plus Sound or even ZMF. All of them have stunning build quality with higher level components and sound phenomenal. I’d be curious if Wavetheory ran a blind A/B with any other TOTL cable and the Danacable with same conduction metal if he’d hear a difference. I personally can hear zero difference between one SPC TOTL cable to another.
I own the he1000se headphones and if cables can improve the sound big time i would love to have it but at that 2300 price hmm never , i will never spend even 800.00 on cables . Strangely it was proving years ago that very expensive speaker cables was a big scam because much cheaper sounded the same , so here we go with headphone cables , i think same big scam , we know price diesnt automaticallly mean better so at 2300 compare to a 500 or 300.00 cable , its possible that that 300 can sound just as good , all they need to do is dress it up and make it look like its very expensive . My point is its ridiculous and outrageous for such price.
A friend contacted them to buy a Lazuli Reference for his Utopia. They claim their approach is making cables thousands of strands to reduce the resistance or something like that. My friend mentioned he found that quite interesting and asked if he could see a picture of the cables. The Vin guy replied he could buy a cable and cut it himself to see how it looks from inside 💀 😂😂😂. I'd stay away from this company with Mickey mouse customer service
I don't agree that all responses of this type are done to be misleading. Part of good cable design is the construction. If too much of that gets out someone else could replicate their formula. Do we call Coca Cola dishonest for not releasing their whole recipe? No.
So you want Vihn to put out pictures of how he makes his cables, so others can copy how he makes them. And when he refuses, you say that that's bad customer service...right.
@@Michael_mki233 Copy what exactly? It's not like they invented gun powder and got a patent from it. If there were something to copy, someone would already have done it. What they describe on their website could actually reveal more than a picture. The fact that they cannot prove what they claim also says a lot more. Additionally, that's not the way to reply to someone who actually found their "approach" interesting and that's why he asked for it.
@manfredkravecki9074 Cable geometry is just as, if not more important, than the material the cable is made from. How many strands of material are used, how they are woven together, what may be Cu/Au-plated-Cu/Au, all of those things matter. And pictures would either tell that or give insight to competition. As for how Vihn responded to your friend, it was a perfectly legitimate response. He hadn't bought anything prior, was fishing for documented info on Vihn's process ( however benign his intentions were) with no guarantee of purchase... it's exactly how I would have responded.
This is insanity!! I am sure you wont recognize this cable in a blind test. For anybody that want "difference" use some EQ and save tons of money on silly stuff like this.
All these reviewers post Headphone measurements and all of this detailed info, but they they start talking about cables and they start talking about "science". Electricity moves at one speed. A cable carriers x amount of power based on the size/capacity/resistance of that cable and it's length. If the cable is thick enough and made of copper (just using it as a standard) then any headphone cable over 14 gauge is just a waist of time. You will get maybe .01% more power if you go up to these 4 or 8 gauge cables. The speed of the electricity will not change. If you need them to be .01 louder due to the tiny drop of voltage then use the volume knob. There would be zero difference in sound quality with the most premium cable with volume adjusted for the super amazingly imperceivably lower voltage than a quality 14 gauge cable. Don't buy this BS.
Vinh Vu of Gingko audio said the following regarding making Lazuli cables with Final or DCA's VIVO connectors: "We can make cables with the Vivo and Final connectors but it will cost more as an option so we didn't list them on the website. Customers can email us with requests with ANY headphones even rare ones like the Raal but we handle them on a case by case basis."
I'll pin this comment for easy viewing - WT
Is the sonic upgrade comparable to a component upgrade like an amp or a dac upgrade?
It can be and for me it was.. Like any signal chain changes, though, there are lots of variables so there is no one answer to this type of question.
@@johenkay1129 imo you have to think of cables as a whole system. if you hear a major improvement in the headphones, for example, it will also exacerbate the other bottlenecked cables in your system
I like it, I believe it- always enjoy your content: Problem now is that with my current chain (Yggdrasil A2/OG-> Freya+ with vintage tubes -> Tyr monoblock speaker amp-> Susvaras via stock ‘catheter’ cable) - it’s all already there. JOMO! Happy listening!
I just can’t. I use aftermarket cables to get the connections and length I need but $2500 cables are ludicrous. You could spend that much and get excellent components that will actually improve the sound.
I would NEVER spend this type of money on a cable! I view them as blatant ripoffs. High purity copper? Common. Silver clad copper? Common. I went to their ‘Technology’ tab on their website and there’s nothing there. Nothing!
So exactly what are they doing differently that makes their cables so expensive? They might be better than lower priced cables from their own line but are they truly better than cables 1/10th the price sourced from elsewhere? My admittedly casual experimentation says, No.
go to one of the CAN JAM shows and give them a listen. You will be blown away regardless of what the price is. Take your phones with you. If they are a common connector they may let you swap cables right at the show.
@mcgjohn22 common snake oil sales tactics. Project overconfidence in your product. Its why no cable company had yet to take up that $1m bet.
@@En_Joshi-Godrez not familiar with the 1M bet. what are the details?
@@mcgjohn22 skeptic James Randi, through his foundation One Million Dollar Paranormal Challenge, offered a prize of $1 million to anyone able to demonstrate that $7,250 audio cables "are any better than ordinary audio cables". In 2008, audio reviewer Michael Fremer attempted to claim the prize, and said that Randi declined the challenge. Randi said that the cable manufacturer Pear Cables was the one who withdrew.
@@En_Joshi-Godrez Grow up. If you can't trust your own hearing you should stay at Audio Science Review. Nobody likes better things being this much more expensive but they wouldn't stay in business if it was all a placebo.
What a Rhapsodic review, Wave Theory! :-)) Excellent content, as always!
Are you going to do more parts of the science series? i think you mentioned there would be six.
It is in the works. No firm timetable as it's a lot of work and it's all on top of what I'm already doing. But...it progresses nonetheless.
Is it also great with Utopia 2022 or poeme will be so much better ?
I don't think I shall ever own one of these...But its cool seeing someone have all of this at there disposal ❤
I tested a Rhapsody cable on a pair of Meze Empyreans OGs with the Angled Alcantara earpads. The combination of this new earpad with the Rhapsody cable is transformational to the Empyrean OG. Absolutely everything WT said about the Rhapsody matches my experience. Plus, Vinh at Ginko audio is a pleasure to deal with and talk to. Try 'em at your own risk... as you WILL want them, badly.
I love the Lazuli References [the original version and the plus version (which is a little brighter but has a bit clearer bass)]. It's great on ZMFs. It makes vocals sound fuller and more organic.
Whats a good budget cable? Is there anything sub-$100 or $200 ?
See my cables mini reviews part 1
I’ve had great success buying from Periapt Cables.
Periapt is a good choice for sure!@@JesusGonzalez-jh4pz
Have you tried it on HEKse?
Yes. Still sounds remarkable.
@@wavetheorysound 🥵😡😠🤬
@@blejzerosamigos6115 IKR. I get the frustration with the price. I feel it too.
@@wavetheorysound I paid 1.7k for HEKse(from hifiman) that makes the cable 600 more than the cans
I do my own cables using cables/conductors from another galaxy, but I must say this: Heat shrink over the connectors is LAME, LAME, LAME work... and then asking that price for that lame work is just insulting.
I intend to construct a 50ft headphone cable consisting of silver-hafnium-phosphate conductors shrouded in a wool-silica composite.
End-to-end connectivity will consist of 3.5 mm to XLR-4 pin balanced termination, with both plugs soldered to pico board ADC/DAC pairs to transmit the signal across the cable, digitally. Gain will be facilitated digitally by plugging the cable in for ON and subsequently unplugging it again for OFF or really really low gain.
And when not in use, I intend to plug the headphone cable into the wall to power my house.
The entire cable will retail for the reasonable price of 1 infinity stone.
one infinity stone is too great of a deal for such a cable that could warp reality!
@@kato2395Thank you! Thank you! My background in power line design motivates me to use these size 0# half-inch thick cables everywhere, as the final statement in quality. And as the ultimate keepsake for you doing business with me I intend to ship the most desired item in the macguffin, which is as of yet still unseen by the world's most enthusiastic audiophiles.
@@kato2395Thank you! Thank you! My background in power line design motivates me to use these size 0# half-inch thick cables everywhere, as the final statement in quality. And as the ultimate keepsake for you doing business with me I intend to ship the most desired item in the macguffin, which is as of yet still unseen by the world's most enthusiastic audiophiles.
Thanks, now you have me saving up for the Lazuli Nirvana for the Susvara.
Thanks for saying AND hearing the truth 🙏 without my upgrade cables in my system i would rather choose my dap that i was using years ago for better musical enjoyment. Dont forget to upgrade ALL cables: headphone, interconnects, power cables, usb and co and LAN of course. There is great price to Performance at some companies its more worthwhile to use all decent upgrade cables in the chain than one or 2 flagship cables
You need to hear the Danacable Voila with the Susvara as soon as possible.
Is it silverplated? I thought it was a silver/copper hybrid cable not plated.
What factors do you think matter most for cable sound performance? AWG?
Assuming, of couse, that general build quality is without obvious flaws.
Assuming the cable impedance is a small fraction of driver impedance (usually the case and even moreso the case with headphones than speakers), it's time-domain factors. Capacitance and inductance are two such factors that vary signal propagation speed with frequency, but they are just the start. When different frequencies travel through the wire at different speeds, their time alignment gets distorted. When multiple frequencies are present at once, as they always are in a music signal, these time shifts, aka phase distortions, will impact the shape of the waveform that reaches the driver. The simple FR frequency response tests we commonly see won't catch this because they only look at the behavior of one frequency at a time.
@@wavetheorysound I generally agree with that.
And then, if you look at the Danacables Lazuli Nirvana (seems their top line) product page, what they themselves write about it is "The Nirvana consists of 33% more copper than the Ultra and a full 100% more than the Reference, resulting in the lowest possible measurements of resistance, inductance, and capacitance." which would potentially suggest they believe overall conductor thickness/AWG is most crucial to minimize those 3 factors.
Of course there might be other elements used in the build that impact them (connector manufacturer & model, gold vs rhodium connector plating, shielding, braiding etc.), but it seems they themselves suggest AWG might be #1, no?
Conductor material, such as inclusion of silver wires doesn't necessarily seem to be as important, as it's also used in their lowest Ultralite line and it's nonetheless positioned at the bottom of their portfolio (so while I believe it can impact the sound character it doesn't necessarily universally make an upgrade, rather sidegrade).
Other subjectively most appreciated cables that people mention, such as DHC Prion 4, Norne Silvergarde S4 etc. are ~19 AWG (or 20 for Lavricables Grand), so roughly lowest available AWG for a headphone cable.
@@wavetheorysound I generally agree with that.
And then, if you look at the Danacables Lazuli Nirvana (seems their top line) product page, what they themselves write about it is "The Nirvana consists of 33% more copper than the Ultra and a full 100% more than the Reference, resulting in the lowest possible measurements of resistance, inductance, and capacitance." which would potentially suggest they believe overall conductor thickness/AWG is most crucial to minimize those 3 factors.
Of course there might be other elements used in the build that impact them (connector manufacturer & model, gold vs rhodium connector plating, shielding, braiding etc.), but it seems they themselves suggest AWG might be #1, no?
Conductor material, such as inclusion of silver wires doesn't necessarily seem to be as important, as it's also used in their lowest Ultralite line and it's nonetheless positioned at the bottom of their portfolio (so while I believe it can impact the sound character it doesn't necessarily universally make an upgrade, rather sidegrade).
Other subjectively most appreciated cables that people mention, such as DHC Prion 4, Norne Silvergarde S4 etc. are ~19 AWG (or 20 for Lavricables Grand), so roughly lowest available AWG for a headphone cable.
@@wavetheorysound I generally agree with that.
And then, if you look at the Danacables Lazuli Nirvana (seems their top line) product page, what they themselves write about it is "The Nirvana consists of 33% more copper than the Ultra and a full 100% more than the Reference, resulting in the lowest possible measurements of resistance, inductance, and capacitance." which would potentially suggest they believe overall conductor thickness/AWG is most crucial to minimize those 3 factors.
Of course there might be other elements used in the build that impact them (connector manufacturer & model, gold vs rhodium connector plating, shielding, braiding etc.), but it seems they themselves suggest AWG might be #1, no?
Conductor material, such as inclusion of silver wires doesn't necessarily seem to be as important, as it's also used in their lowest Ultralite line and it's nonetheless positioned at the bottom of their portfolio (so while I believe it can impact the sound character it doesn't necessarily universally make an upgrade, rather sidegrade).
Other subjectively most appreciated cables that people mention, such as DHC Prion 4, Norne Silvergarde S4 etc. are ~19 AWG (or 20 for Lavricables Grand), so roughly lowest available AWG for a headphone cable.
@@wavetheorysound I generally agree with that.
And then, if you look at the Danacables Lazuli Nirvana (seems their top line) product page, what they themselves write about it is "The Nirvana consists of 33% more copper than the Ultra and a full 100% more than the Reference, resulting in the lowest possible measurements of resistance, inductance, and capacitance." which would potentially suggest they believe overall conductor thickness/AWG is most crucial to minimize those 3 factors.
Of course there might be other elements used in the build that impact them (connector manufacturer & model, gold vs rhodium connector plating, shielding, braiding etc.), but it seems they themselves suggest AWG might be #1, no?
Conductor material, such as inclusion of silver wires doesn't necessarily seem to be as important, as it's also used in their lowest Ultralite line and it's nonetheless positioned at the bottom of their portfolio (so while I believe it can impact the sound character it doesn't necessarily universally make an upgrade, rather sidegrade).
Other subjectively most appreciated cables that people mention, such as DHC Prion 4, Norne Silvergarde S4 etc. are ~19 AWG (or 20 for Lavricables Grand), so roughly lowest available AWG for a headphone cable.
Does this cable magically cause symphonies to be imaged _in front of you_ in a 60 to 90 degree arc with nothing sounding like it's coming from the headphone drivers?
They better do the dishes afterward as well...
I have heard some of these danacables and yes they do make a difference but jeez they price to improvement ratio is tough. Once you settle on an endgame headphone perhaps you make the case it still.
Sure, that they fixed the connector issue. But let's not forget how much these cost. The issue should not have existed in the first place. If I were to buy one, I would have very high expectations and rightfully so.
I had a feeling that's how it would go. I remember back in the day when you told me to try a better cable - and I did and yes there was a difference. As I've progressed up the ladder some in custom cables I have been pleased with what I have and leary of needing to spend more than $1K on a cable and if it would really add benefit but hearing you capitualte to the upper end customs I now beleive too out of past experience. I will have to get one for my Susvara and then I do not want to be notified or whatch any video reviews of the Nivana, OK?
Nah, just save up for the Nirvana, or you will catch a serious case of "fomo" (fear of missing out).
Im in the " i think cables do matter but i would never drop more then 150 bucks " camp 😅
We want Tungsten! we want Tungsten! 😊
Did you say it twice because there are 2 versions? 😜
@@wavetheorysound For now I am good with DS as this is the higher end version😊, but frankly I will appreciate a longer term review as the hype is high at present.
Those reddit people are so gonna cry just looking at the title of the video. Apparently there is an echo chamber going on there that cables do not change sound and everyone that has a different opinion is going to be attacked and cancelled.
Those redditards just buy cheap sub 100$ snake oil cables from suspicious chinese sites or they use garbage topping amps as a source. On better source chains like from schiit audio asgard 3 onwards cables did make a noticeable difference.
@@ayushbhaumik7980 Blind test and prove they make a difference (you can't)
@@Del_987Came to say this, but gladly it was already taken care of. No one has provenly blind ABX'd volume matched a decent cable vs a very expensive one unless there was some signal processing within the cable, but that can only subtract from the signal.
@@hartyewh1 Go ahead and fund a study then. Have Wave Theory participate.
@@davidallanmusic I think it's a waste of time and I'm not the one making a positive claim. I recently spend a few weeks testing speaker cables around these price ranges and it took insane effort to get past the placebo and realize that the cheap Amazon cable sounded identical. Testing these non-blind just isn't possible to begin with.
Wait till you hear some Brise audio cables!
I'd tell Vihn to take my money, but he already has. 🤣
Heat shrink on a $3000 cable is inexcusable. I’d rather buy Norne, Viking Weave or Meze for upgrade cables. On top of that they’re using cheap terminations like Aeco and not Rean or Neutrik Rhodium or gold connectors. Ridiculous price.
I agree with you but the Aeco 3.5mm connectors are not cheap, they are either Silver or Rhodium plated Copper.
Aeco connectors are of good quality & good value too.
@@sjqideez6626 The fact that one of the cables was having connectivity problems is absurd for its price point. At that price nothing should be stiff either. Look at Viking Weave, Plus Sound or even ZMF. All of them have stunning build quality with higher level components and sound phenomenal. I’d be curious if Wavetheory ran a blind A/B with any other TOTL cable and the Danacable with same conduction metal if he’d hear a difference. I personally can hear zero difference between one SPC TOTL cable to another.
No option of 4.4 is killing meee 😩
I own the he1000se headphones and if cables can improve the sound big time i would love to have it but at that 2300 price hmm never , i will never spend even 800.00 on cables . Strangely it was proving years ago that very expensive speaker cables was a big scam because much cheaper sounded the same , so here we go with headphone cables , i think same big scam , we know price diesnt automaticallly mean better so at 2300 compare to a 500 or 300.00 cable , its possible that that 300 can sound just as good , all they need to do is dress it up and make it look like its very expensive . My point is its ridiculous and outrageous for such price.
When audiophilia becomes a mental issue😅
With volume matching you wouldn't hear a difference 100% on a blind ABX.
A friend contacted them to buy a Lazuli Reference for his Utopia. They claim their approach is making cables thousands of strands to reduce the resistance or something like that. My friend mentioned he found that quite interesting and asked if he could see a picture of the cables. The Vin guy replied he could buy a cable and cut it himself to see how it looks from inside 💀 😂😂😂. I'd stay away from this company with Mickey mouse customer service
I don't agree that all responses of this type are done to be misleading. Part of good cable design is the construction. If too much of that gets out someone else could replicate their formula. Do we call Coca Cola dishonest for not releasing their whole recipe? No.
So you want Vihn to put out pictures of how he makes his cables, so others can copy how he makes them. And when he refuses, you say that that's bad customer service...right.
@@Michael_mki233 Copy what exactly? It's not like they invented gun powder and got a patent from it. If there were something to copy, someone would already have done it. What they describe on their website could actually reveal more than a picture. The fact that they cannot prove what they claim also says a lot more. Additionally, that's not the way to reply to someone who actually found their "approach" interesting and that's why he asked for it.
@@manfredkravecki9074 He's busy, Karen. Run along.
@manfredkravecki9074 Cable geometry is just as, if not more important, than the material the cable is made from. How many strands of material are used, how they are woven together, what may be Cu/Au-plated-Cu/Au, all of those things matter. And pictures would either tell that or give insight to competition.
As for how Vihn responded to your friend, it was a perfectly legitimate response. He hadn't bought anything prior, was fishing for documented info on Vihn's process ( however benign his intentions were) with no guarantee of purchase... it's exactly how I would have responded.
This is insanity!! I am sure you wont recognize this cable in a blind test. For anybody that want "difference" use some EQ and save tons of money on silly stuff like this.
totally indecent, but terribly tempting.
Love your videos wave but this one is a no no for pushing these cables
Whoa!
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All these reviewers post Headphone measurements and all of this detailed info, but they they start talking about cables and they start talking about "science". Electricity moves at one speed. A cable carriers x amount of power based on the size/capacity/resistance of that cable and it's length. If the cable is thick enough and made of copper (just using it as a standard) then any headphone cable over 14 gauge is just a waist of time. You will get maybe .01% more power if you go up to these 4 or 8 gauge cables. The speed of the electricity will not change. If you need them to be .01 louder due to the tiny drop of voltage then use the volume knob. There would be zero difference in sound quality with the most premium cable with volume adjusted for the super amazingly imperceivably lower voltage than a quality 14 gauge cable. Don't buy this BS.
Have you actually tried it? If so what was your A/B user impression?
Sale a cable at 2k in price and automatically the mind will trick you into justifying your purchase to think wow