Germany D-Visa Stamping process and documents needed at VFS with latest timeline updates !

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  • This 1 video covers 3 important topics - Stamping process, stamping documents, and Visa timelines for D-Visa and Specifically study visa for Germany.
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  • @Neha_18official
    @Neha_18official ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks Rajat for sharing your stamping process with us 👍 it's really help us in our journey 👍😊🙏

  • @prafullrawat6066
    @prafullrawat6066 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Yes bro it will be very helpful.

  • @KJFITNESS786
    @KJFITNESS786 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very Informative video.

  • @iamnotaspeaker
    @iamnotaspeaker ปีที่แล้ว +1

    YES . Video bnana sari .and ghar dhundhne ka btana .house contract kesa hota he dikhana .
    House contract sign krne k mtlb btana kese krte he btata .
    And India se before flight ghar kese dhoondhna hai btana.
    Apne dhoondh lia hai to uski story btana. .

  • @pradyumnabaraj
    @pradyumnabaraj ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Bro can you make a playlist from college searching in India to residence permit in Germany?

  • @michellesehgal7616
    @michellesehgal7616 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Yes, Please!!

  • @swapnilzinjurde
    @swapnilzinjurde ปีที่แล้ว +1

    yes
    please do vlog

  • @kurbaansingh8975
    @kurbaansingh8975 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hello today I got the mail from embassy to submit the passport. That email I received from embassy was confirmed that we got visa. Or not

  • @KeshavSharma-yg6ot
    @KeshavSharma-yg6ot ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I needed some help..i also had an appointment on 22 September in vfs delhi but i haven't received any mails till now...i was asked to come again on 1 October for biometrics and i am waiting for masters visa till now. I mailed the authorities and got a reply 4 days back that immigration office Ausländerbehörde has completed the process and now final decision will be taken by embassy...how many days this can take can you please help

  • @namasteingermany
    @namasteingermany ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hello Rajat, your videos have been really helpful throughout. For the Mumbai consulate, as i know from my friends, we do not need to go for stamping if we have submitted the passport on the day of our first visa appointment. We will get the passport couriered to the requested address. Is that correct? Or do we have to follow this process that you have mentioned in the video?

    • @Rajat_Sharma_Vlogs
      @Rajat_Sharma_Vlogs  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes, you are right, for Mumbai they are offering to keep passport as of latest I knew, and then you directly get passport couriered to you if you have opted for courier service.

  • @SandeepSingh-tm6wn
    @SandeepSingh-tm6wn ปีที่แล้ว

    Bro hamne jab file submit ki thi tab premium lounge liya tha to ab d stamping k liye b appointment leni pdegi kya..??

  • @JaiChoudhary-ie7ob
    @JaiChoudhary-ie7ob ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey bro yesterday i went to vfs to submit my file and at last after biometric thing they kept my passport there what does this mean???

  • @adityasarda5118
    @adityasarda5118 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hey Rajat can you pls mention all the docs which were required for your d stamping visa & especially the insurance docs.
    Like were you required to submit both travel health insurance as well as medical/health insurance (that public healthcare wala) or only travel health insurance. Pls elaborate on them.

    • @Rajat_Sharma_Vlogs
      @Rajat_Sharma_Vlogs  ปีที่แล้ว

      I have already mentioned all the documents in the video which I submitted.
      For the health insurance query, you just need to show travel health insurance for stamping, the actual health insurance which cover your stay in Germany only get active after you reach Germany and ask your insurer to activate it.

  • @sayednehal9395
    @sayednehal9395 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hello Rajat how long does it take to complete german student visa?

  • @mr.kulwindersingh7119
    @mr.kulwindersingh7119 ปีที่แล้ว

    When i try to book appointment. I'm facing error "reference number is invalid". I have APS even.
    VFS says that we have revolved that but i'm facing again same issue.
    please help me guys.

  • @vivektikle3209
    @vivektikle3209 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    धन्यवाद,,,,💖🇩🇪🙏🌞🌞✍️23

  • @saarthakchopra926
    @saarthakchopra926 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi rajat congratulations for your visa, please tell us if you can help us in case of accomodation in Germany Berlin, last time also in VFS appointment you have given extension letter, then y new extension letter was required

    • @Rajat_Sharma_Vlogs
      @Rajat_Sharma_Vlogs  ปีที่แล้ว

      For accommodation as students good apps to find wg is wg-gesucht, ImmoScout24, Immowelt. If you cannot find student dorm at Uni, then these website have good student options, so keep trying. Also many Uni provide, partner details or contact of private dorms as well, so you can write email to them as well. For more detail regarding accommodation, I will make a video in future.
      It's not the new extension letter. Just same letter needs to be submitted again,if the same already covers the delay in arrival.

  • @vivekkumar-iz2bh
    @vivekkumar-iz2bh ปีที่แล้ว

    Can I pay the fees at VFS office itself on the day of appointment?

  • @mrnimii
    @mrnimii 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Sir VFS appointment is of 09 April 2024. Sir, by mistake, my vocational training appointment was booked and my biometric was also done but sir, later I came to know that I had to book an appointment for internship training, so sir, what can I do now for its correction so that my biometric of internship training is done instead of vocational training...... please sir ask nd help me please sir

  • @Mayflowerandme
    @Mayflowerandme 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hi
    Do i need to apostille any of documents for applying German national work visa at VFS

  • @srijithprasadt
    @srijithprasadt 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Whats the current blocled amount for 16 d visa?

  • @GaganDeepSingh-fe4jx
    @GaganDeepSingh-fe4jx ปีที่แล้ว

    sir d1 visa apply embassy 98 days completed no response embassy. visa timeline kya hogi abb

  • @xmenthakur6389
    @xmenthakur6389 ปีที่แล้ว

    bhai apka passport aa gye hai stamping hoke ja nai maine ve submit kiya tha 7 nov.

  • @sanamulani893
    @sanamulani893 ปีที่แล้ว

    which people are eligible for this category?

  • @prachitabakliwal5207
    @prachitabakliwal5207 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Can you please confirm whether we need to pay only tuition fees for first year in advance or semester contribution fees as well?

    • @Rajat_Sharma_Vlogs
      @Rajat_Sharma_Vlogs  ปีที่แล้ว

      For public uni there is no tuition fee, just the semester fee, and you have to pay semester contributions for just 1st sem in advance. For Baden-Württemberg state there is a fee of 1500 euro for public uni for non-EU students, so you have to pay this fee plus the semester contribution for 1st sem in advance.
      Then for private schools, it totally depends on how they want money.

  • @jeevansahota
    @jeevansahota ปีที่แล้ว

    Video appears to be disjointed, try to make it smooth for users. Looks like multiple clips have been put together. It would also lend credibility.

  • @amoghgupta9758
    @amoghgupta9758 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hello rajat,
    I have got my aps certificate and booked visa appointment for 3rd Jan...i have to go in summer sem for my masters...do i need to give testas? ..kindly reply

    • @Rajat_Sharma_Vlogs
      @Rajat_Sharma_Vlogs  ปีที่แล้ว

      TestAS is needed for application from 1st Jan onwards. But since u just want to apply for summer sem, they may allow application wihtout it. Please check with embassy, what they are willing to allow.

  • @mraps1166
    @mraps1166 ปีที่แล้ว

    Brother.. meri file 18 jan ko submit hui thi. 3 fab ko intervew..acha hua tha... Uske baad mail ek hi ata tha ..visa on process.. 8 mnth ho gye. Stil wi8 kr rhe hai... Just abi 2 din phle. Aya msg.... Ki... New enrollment from ur unversity... Hume snd kro... &.. 11302..block account wala. Paper. Hume. 2 hfte ke andr snd kro.. iska mtlb kya hua.. visa chance ke.

  • @fahimgafoor5454
    @fahimgafoor5454 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hey Rajat. First of all thank you for the quality content. Keep up the work.
    I am a final year Semester 7 BTech student. I will pass out in June 2023. I have got my results upto Semester 5.
    I wanted to ask you wheteher it was possible for me to apply for masters in January 2023 for the winter intake in October 2023. As I wont have my degree certificate or S1-S8 marks in January.
    I hope you will reply. Thank you😊👍

    • @navneeetmishra
      @navneeetmishra ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Same question

    • @navneeetmishra
      @navneeetmishra ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Fahim let me know if you get the answer

    • @Rajat_Sharma_Vlogs
      @Rajat_Sharma_Vlogs  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes you can apply for winter semester. Just keep in mind that for APS certification application you need provisional or Final degree in hand. So plan accordingly.
      For uni, they should be able to give you conditional admission based on result from your past semesters. And will give you confirmation after getting final/provisional certificate.

  • @rahulraju9666
    @rahulraju9666 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Bro i applied for aps certificate on october 15. Unfortunately there is mistake in my mail id. Is that affect to get aps certificate? I already send the documents

    • @Rajat_Sharma_Vlogs
      @Rajat_Sharma_Vlogs  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You won't get email updates or payment received info, but if address is correct then you will receive APS certificate correctly. However, please email to APS, mentioning the mistake in email id, at least they may make a note of it.

  • @sanhaarora2277
    @sanhaarora2277 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Which intake you are going for? In July itself you had the offer letter of the University?

    • @Rajat_Sharma_Vlogs
      @Rajat_Sharma_Vlogs  ปีที่แล้ว

      For Winter 2022 only

    • @sanhaarora2277
      @sanhaarora2277 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Rajat_Sharma_Vlogs Sadly I expect my offer letter in the month of January and session starts in March end

  • @dikshasamdhyan6731
    @dikshasamdhyan6731 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    How long it took you to get your passport stamped after submission?

  • @sayedkaif2816
    @sayedkaif2816 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    But you could've submitted the Visa on first day of appointment.

    • @Rajat_Sharma_Vlogs
      @Rajat_Sharma_Vlogs  ปีที่แล้ว

      Not exactly. For Delhi VFS there is no immediate walk option available as of now, so you have to book slot for stamping now-a-days. This can change from time to time.

  • @kurbaansingh8975
    @kurbaansingh8975 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Mere file 29 September ko submitt master k liye delhi vfs. Still don't get any reply from embassy.

    • @Rajat_Sharma_Vlogs
      @Rajat_Sharma_Vlogs  ปีที่แล้ว

      If it's for private institute, that too around Berlin, then expected processing time in such case can be slightly higher.

  • @namansarva1197
    @namansarva1197 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hello rajat..... I would like to ask about the d stamping date ...... Which date is published on visa stamp? Our insurances starting date?

    • @Rajat_Sharma_Vlogs
      @Rajat_Sharma_Vlogs  ปีที่แล้ว

      Earliest date that is possible based on your travel date and the health insurance start date must be starting parallely with your travel date.

    • @namansarva1197
      @namansarva1197 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Rajat_Sharma_Vlogs my travelling date on VIDEX form is 1 april but my insurances are starting from 10 april. what should i do now ? should i book a flight for 10 april and bring along my tickets for d stamping

  • @shivanshiasthana
    @shivanshiasthana ปีที่แล้ว +3

    No sign of visa. Had applied October 6. Have written to everyone under the sun. I am out of options and thinking of canceling the entire thing. Delhi is the worst place to apply for a visa apparently. Except when stars align. I feel as if my career is ruined. Then they're gonna take more time to stamp it. Disaster every way.

    • @anujgadoo4853
      @anujgadoo4853 ปีที่แล้ว

      October 6th ?? Was that your biometric appointment date??

  • @nagababuyatirajyam9363
    @nagababuyatirajyam9363 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hii bro
    I am nagababu from Andhrapradesh, India.
    I applied for a student visa on oct 19th, 2022. But still it is under process and it's almost four 4 months completed and still running on, bro. The chennai consulate to behavior in rude manner while I call only twice till now their response to bad. Is there any way to speak directly to them. Actually my classes are going on online but it's not correct right. They are not even send mali or msg any status or which stage of visa.

    • @MyGalleria_Travel
      @MyGalleria_Travel 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Did u got ur visa? How many day it took? For me almost 60 days there is no update from Chennai consulate. Now I'm on same situation. Pls help me

  • @sumit8239
    @sumit8239 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hello plz reply i am 18 in real life but on my adharcard i am 16.5 years old how can i study in germany i passed the 12th in april 2022. and learning german currently and will apply for winter semster

    • @Rajat_Sharma_Vlogs
      @Rajat_Sharma_Vlogs  ปีที่แล้ว

      It's better if you are officially 18, by the time you start studies in Germany, because as a Minor there are many bureaucratic challenges.
      If you have time in turning 18 officially, then you can use that time in India to learn German, or do 13th year of education or JEE advance, so you qualify for direct admission in bachelors without need of studienkolleg. It will save to a year in Germany.

    • @sumit8239
      @sumit8239 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Rajat_Sharma_Vlogs There's should be some way so I can study in germany as minor (studienkolege) . If I don't wanna do 13th year

  • @anitarawat5163
    @anitarawat5163 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Sir Meine germany ka form bhara usme last name mein thoda mistake ho gai thi thi aur appointment book ho gya to sir koi problem to nahi hogi

    • @Rajat_Sharma_Vlogs
      @Rajat_Sharma_Vlogs  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Are you talking about Visa appointment or APS? For Visa, Write email to VFS about the mistake, even if they don't reply or fix it before hand. Most probably they should be able to fix the issue on the date of appointment when you are at the VFS center.

    • @anitarawat5163
      @anitarawat5163 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ok thank you sir

  • @techsthaan
    @techsthaan ปีที่แล้ว +1

    How much percent in12th needs to get admit in German public University plzz tell

    • @Rajat_Sharma_Vlogs
      @Rajat_Sharma_Vlogs  ปีที่แล้ว

      The more, the better. But 75% is a decent score. Again depends on overall profile.

    • @techsthaan
      @techsthaan ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Rajat_Sharma_Vlogs is it needed for course in german language

  • @hemensingla
    @hemensingla ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi, i had my visa appointment on 13th Feb, 2023. I have just received the update that my documents have reached german embassy india. How can i get further updates (any specific email) and usually how much time does it take to get visa

    • @Rajat_Sharma_Vlogs
      @Rajat_Sharma_Vlogs  ปีที่แล้ว

      Visa process from Delhi can take around 45 days on average. But your documents should ready a bit early, ideally the very next working day.
      You can tack status using the tracking if you have from vfs, using a web page on there website about tracking German visa application. Make sure to put last name in all caps.

    • @hemensingla
      @hemensingla ปีที่แล้ว

      @@bareahidrees4102 nhi abhi mail nhi ayi

    • @hemensingla
      @hemensingla ปีที่แล้ว

      @@bareahidrees4102 8 march ko physical transfer hue hai

    • @hemensingla
      @hemensingla ปีที่แล้ว

      @@bareahidrees4102 i think 5-7 din or lagenge not sure.

    • @bareahidrees4102
      @bareahidrees4102 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@hemensingla any update regarding visa? Please reply

  • @Solitudetravel
    @Solitudetravel 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I completed my visa intw at vfs in 11 aug. However, i forgot to attach admit letter. I attached all docs including enrollment docs but failed to attach admit letter and even vfs offier didnt ask or intimate. After 2 days i got call from german consulate that my admit letter os missing and u hve to send the letter by mail immediately.i sent them also. But im in doubt whether it could have any adverse effect on my visa. Pls clr my doubt bro

    • @MyGalleria_Travel
      @MyGalleria_Travel 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Did u got ur visa?

    • @Solitudetravel
      @Solitudetravel 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@MyGalleria_Travel yes

    • @MyGalleria_Travel
      @MyGalleria_Travel 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Solitudetravel thank you fro reply.

  • @nehagupta9964
    @nehagupta9964 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hey,did you get your stamped visa?

    • @Rajat_Sharma_Vlogs
      @Rajat_Sharma_Vlogs  ปีที่แล้ว

      Not yet. Hopefully in next few days.

    • @nehagupta9964
      @nehagupta9964 ปีที่แล้ว

      My appointment was on same date as yours(D visa stamping), so I guess I may get it in few days too

  • @mamtakarwasra1458
    @mamtakarwasra1458 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hello sir my ielts score is 6 .can I apply for Germany visa. I want to do M.b.a. there. Please tell me i am so confused

    • @Rajat_Sharma_Vlogs
      @Rajat_Sharma_Vlogs  ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes you can. 6 score should be acceptable as it is considered B2 equivalent. But you will have to check with Uni, as Uni may have different minimum requirements.

  • @sanjaygarg4352
    @sanjaygarg4352 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    In how many days you got your passport after stamping ?

  • @aayushpandya224
    @aayushpandya224 ปีที่แล้ว

    Applied for Student visa (VFS Mumbai) on 2nd March for Technische Hochschule Ingolstadt. As my accommodation is in Nürnberg, I have mentioned that only. So my application has gone to Ausländerbehörde of Nürnberg. Do you know how much time it generally takes to get a decision?

    • @blacksheep5031
      @blacksheep5031 ปีที่แล้ว

      Did you get it??

    • @aayushpandya224
      @aayushpandya224 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@blacksheep5031 Yea

    • @blacksheep5031
      @blacksheep5031 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@aayushpandya224 how long did it take??

    • @aayushpandya224
      @aayushpandya224 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@blacksheep5031 Visa appointment was on 2nd March
      Received passport on 5th April

    • @mullokabaap7222
      @mullokabaap7222 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      How did u get addmission in THI and in which field ?

  • @gr534
    @gr534 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I'm selected for Studienkolleg and have my APS, should i book appointment in Visa application centre or the consulate/embassy?
    I'm very scared because my course will start in February 2024

    • @Rajat_Sharma_Vlogs
      @Rajat_Sharma_Vlogs  ปีที่แล้ว

      Consulate/Embassy. U already have Aps? If so, then congratulations. It's natural to be a bit worried in these processes, but all will be fine eventually. 😊

    • @gr534
      @gr534 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Rajat_Sharma_Vlogs so sir in embassy there's only option of language course should i select that? And also APS is not needed when i apply for language course

    • @VishalSharma-xf2mp
      @VishalSharma-xf2mp ปีที่แล้ว

      @@gr534 bro for the Studienkolleg u have to apply only in the VFS centre , previously it was different they had 2 categories but now it is all the same in VFS centre.

    • @gr534
      @gr534 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@VishalSharma-xf2mp okay bro thanks but are you sure?

    • @VishalSharma-xf2mp
      @VishalSharma-xf2mp ปีที่แล้ว

      @@gr534 yes I am sure

  • @nehasaini1819
    @nehasaini1819 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi Rajat bhaiya.. I went to Delhi VFS on 15th May, they did not return my original passport and kept it in the folder with other documents. Does this mean that I do not have to go for d-stamping thing and passport will be directly sent to my postal address with the final result? Please confirm.

    • @peter07_
      @peter07_ ปีที่แล้ว

      Any update regarding your visa

    • @nehasaini1819
      @nehasaini1819 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@peter07_ Hi.. No.. still waiting for it.

    • @peter07_
      @peter07_ ปีที่แล้ว

      @@nehasaini1819 when you got this message (your visa application has been received at the embassy )

    • @nehasaini1819
      @nehasaini1819 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@peter07_ I received VFS' mail that file has been transmitted to Germany Embassy, New Delhi on 16th May. Then no update after that..
      I sent mail to embassy directly last week, they said file was digitally transmitted to City Council, Berlin on 26th May.

    • @peter07_
      @peter07_ ปีที่แล้ว

      @@nehasaini1819 okay thank you so much for the information. You are going for master degree right

  • @tusharvyas7191
    @tusharvyas7191 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Bro I’ve applied on 13th October and got payment verification mail on 20th October but documents reached there on 21st October. Apart from payment verification I am not getting any update! How long to wait more?

    • @spandanbasu9111
      @spandanbasu9111 ปีที่แล้ว

      Same bro, I have applied on 16th and received the payment confirmation, they are taking a long time, I hope that they will give some kind of update in this month only.

    • @tusharvyas7191
      @tusharvyas7191 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@spandanbasu9111 any update have you received yet?

    • @spandanbasu9111
      @spandanbasu9111 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@tusharvyas7191 Not yet! what about you?

    • @tusharvyas7191
      @tusharvyas7191 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@spandanbasu9111 same bro not yet

    • @spandanbasu9111
      @spandanbasu9111 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@tusharvyas7191 I am hoping to get some kind of update by the end of this month!

  • @shaquibalam1686
    @shaquibalam1686 ปีที่แล้ว

    Bhaiya mera aps certificate aa gaya hai aur hm 12th pass hai and hmko bachelor's k liye jana hai Germany okk
    Mgr bhai vfs k website me ab option nahi ara hai to bhai please bataiye ki visa appointment kaise book kare hum

    • @endlesstv2247
      @endlesstv2247 ปีที่แล้ว

      When did you applied for aps

    • @Flavoursofjoy
      @Flavoursofjoy ปีที่แล้ว

      When did you applied for APS

  • @manpreetbal889
    @manpreetbal889 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Bro mera 4 November ko passport dispitch hua hai mujy tracking number nhi diya abi tkk mere ko koi information nhi mili please help me

    • @Rajat_Sharma_Vlogs
      @Rajat_Sharma_Vlogs  ปีที่แล้ว

      When did you submit your passport for stamping?

    • @manpreetbal889
      @manpreetbal889 ปีที่แล้ว

      31 October ko submit kiya tha meri travel date 1feb hai

  • @MyGalleria_Travel
    @MyGalleria_Travel 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hello Sir, i applied visa on 18th August and i got mail stating final decision and processing need to take by embassy. After that no update still now. My class already started. I kept all the document. Why the process is delayed? Is there any way to get visa faster. Almost 60 days completed

    • @MyGalleria_Travel
      @MyGalleria_Travel 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@saranshik6920 no still waiting.

    • @MyGalleria_Travel
      @MyGalleria_Travel 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@saranshik6920 Chennai VFS. No we can't do anything. Public or private uni

    • @MyGalleria_Travel
      @MyGalleria_Travel 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@saranshik6920 masters

  • @Mundeberlintoh
    @Mundeberlintoh ปีที่แล้ว

    bhai PTE regarding kuch pta chla

  • @VishalSharma-xf2mp
    @VishalSharma-xf2mp ปีที่แล้ว

    Bhai maine insta pe msg kia hai block account se related so kindly please reply there nahi to yahi pe puch sakta hu

  • @RamandeepKaur-ge1ls
    @RamandeepKaur-ge1ls ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hlo bro Suda visa kini tym ch aagya C file summit to baad

    • @Rajat_Sharma_Vlogs
      @Rajat_Sharma_Vlogs  ปีที่แล้ว

      Aps certificate me main time lag rha hai. Visa me 2-3 months for public uni or 3-4 for private.