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Yo Hell Hades I get your mad at this, but dude come on! They only push one person to plat1 and so all other places of plat are up for grabs. Also if you are in plat in the 1st place why complain that your not plat1 (speaking generally) that's like winning a million dollars and saying you won't be happy to you get a million more witch is unnecessary greed. So if these dipsticks want to spend tons of money to get to plat1 let them, the spending of money deserves reward no matter how stupid it is. ( Yes I've posted this comment twice because I want you to see this and understand and to stop being salty over this)
@@a.r.5100 I literally said this, boosting is not cheating it's no different from paying for this. Anyone who spending money on this game and saying that earned it they are full of it. I'm not saying paying for the game isn't a good thing, I'm saying I will have more respect for u if u don't.
I was online when the gallifrey clan member jumped over 600 points in about 5 minutes right before the reset. I thought, “holy crap I wonder what HH is going to think of this. One of his own comrades has cheated their way to the win.” Glad to see you guys have zero tolerance! Keep advocating good clean arena fun.
Honestly, and this is probably an unpopular opinion but they should have kept on boosting so they could keep on posting in plarium discord server for everyone to see and maybe then they will do something about it. As of right now it plarium just chooses to ignore this and they do get away with it. Imo sometimes fighting fire with fire can prove more effective
@@Met-cx9uj Wouldn't surprise.me at all if it was the mods cheating, I've seen It before. If you cheat too, yeah they would probably fo something about that, but then you are the one banned
The video only has to do with maybe 100 players that have even a remote chance at winning first in arena. Honestly it doesn't even seem like cheating to me. Just your clan working together to get their teammate to win. I could not care less about the whales crying about not having enough friends to help them do it too.
@@robertm4050 paying to win platinum with a totally illegitimate system, that stops anyone else who actually tries to win properly is definitely cheating. But yeah, it doesn't really affect the majority of us
Yes abusing a poorly designed system is wrong, it’s even worse when you get items from it. Just like all the clan hoppers getting 8 plus unm cb chests a day
@@darksoul2052Yes, of course it is. If you wanna gamble a million shards, spending your own money. You're free to do that. As long as YOU have to spend the time and effort to win every Arena battle during the week, and finish in 1st.
Arena is so broken; I honestly dont know how the hell im gonna get into G4 for arbiter missions. 2 months ago I was high G4 and ocassionally jumping into plat for a couple games. This morning I was in Silver 4.
Plarium kicked people out of the Beta for cheating like this, but they refuse to do anything about it on the production server. To me, it really points out that they're fine with cheating as long as they make money from it. As a programmer myself, I agree with you that the easiest fix would be to allow only one fight per opponent per refresh. All it would be is to always set the "already fought" flag on the opponent without checking to see if the fight was a win or a loss (at most a 10 line code change).
Well, I am a disliker, yet I am not a cheater. I just enjoy the fact that all that invincible whales in elite Platinum Club, with dozens of legos and supreme artifacts are humiliated by bunch of cheaters. ))
@@sapientisat3930 The people who are paying $2000 to get boosted are bigger whales. It isn't that people find it humiliating, it's that this very intentional abuse of a mechanic is being permitted and ignored by Plarium. If you make it so no one other than a cheat/highest bidder win Platinum every week, then people will stop putting resources in to Platinum arena and pvp becomes less competitive, suffering for it.
While I'm not a whale or a cheater I dislike the video. I'm just tired of the cheating area videos. Gallifrey is free to run their clan they way they want, but really it's not our job as players to police the game. It's Plariums failure and just rediculous to me. I don't want to see any more of these videos. Everyone knows this is a problem. I don't find these videos interesting, thus the dislike.
Agreed HH. This game is so broken that I do my dailies and leave no money spent. I'm fully supporting Dragon Champions and Marvel Strike Force at this point.
Thanks Hell Hades for shedding some Light on the current situation. I hope Plarium fix this asap. Im not even near plat, but it should be a fair fight for every one. I aswell have 0 tolerance for cheaters..
Well said, sir. And thank you for leading as by example. Arena is just so full of issues that it's no longer fun. It's just a chore that I have to do in order to get Arbiter, and the requirements for her are no small feat any longer.
Thank you for this video. Zero tolerance for cheating is what everyone should be preaching, and what Plarium should be following. Thank you, thank you, thank you!
Yep, I've been playing electronic games since the original Atari, and I'm proud to say, in over 4 decades I've never cheated on a game, even one I play solo.
I thought simcity build it was bad which is developed by ea and ea has got worst company multiple years but wow plarium made them look like company of the year candidate
now THAT is a very interesting idea. Honestly, they should have made one of the three teams a blind match in the new arena anyway. That would at least make it different from business as usual.
26 dislikes... figured there were more cheaters in arena than that. But seriously who dislikes this besides the people who benefit from the cheating? Couldn't agree with you more HH. Should definitely be banned for taking advantage of that kind of crap.
I agree with this 100%. One idea to possibly add a speed bump in this nonsense, anytime someone chooses to leave any fight (classic arena or tag) put a 15m cooldown on that players account to be able to fight his next fight. This idea was done in another game. PVP battles don't last long at all. Even if you instantly knew it was a mistake to challenge anyone, just let it run it's course and finish that fight. If you still feel like hitting the leave button, take a break and have a snack or something, lol. Also, I like your idea of once you challenge anyone, win or lose, either completely remove that team from the list or put that team on cooldown for the 15m duration. Time stamp 11:02 *HH* "Okay, Rotos...give it a rest!" It was Foli, but still made me spit out my drink laughing!!!!!!!!! Love your content.
I saw your previous video on this topic and noticed on monday that a GLFY member booster and i was really curios if you are gonna say anything about it. Respect to you and your cluster for sticking to your rules!
I am a f2p player for nearly 5 months and the fun fact for me is to push my team forward and see the results after a period of time...not to have wins without doing work in my team!
Automatic refresh sounds like the better fix in my opinion, as when i sometimes loose i want to try again with a new setup It could also be an idea to not give the person you lose against points after xx times aswell
many games have a much better fix. Just have a max number allowed to face the same player until you win. For instance 3 times. Then you got the chance to edit your team or try another strategy, but not allowed to spam wins.
This type of problem happens in most games with a ladder. I think it's kind of funny to take issue with this in a game that's literally pay to win though. I'm surprised they aren't selling arena tier boosts in the shop. Lol.
@hellhades. We agree. The problem with boosting in the game is plarium is allowing people to steal arena tokens and rewards off of the players that spend money
Agree with your points HH, but its not considering cheating since its a mechanic inside the game, a really bad mechanic and people abuse. It is just like youtubers that were clan hopping to get more CB chests last year. Its the same thing, people like abusing flaws in Raid Shadow Legends (and there is a lot). What i would consider cheating was that 00:01 Dungeons 20 runs, which is just not possible without CHEAT. Another example that you just shown us? Tag team arena, another bad mechanic, not cheating. Anyway, love all your videos man and keep up the good work. :)
They said that arena is the highlight of this game, and the arena is a joke. This has to change. It's not only cheating and a lot of players getting disappointed but says a lot of the platinum. These guys are basically mock the game. They probably laugh at platinum on how their highlight part of the game is just a playground for them. I would call for a content creators protest (don`t do videos for a week or something like that).
I agree with you HH. I have never been in the bests in the world and am never even close to it but always love to see the best. In clash of clans, clash royale, and a lot other games many people cheat and get to the top. Many people did it but they got banned. Plarium should change this like the other games.
I would like to see the plat arena push start earlier and become a bracket system that the top players in each bracket advance through. This way the final day is the best of the best that have moved through. The final should be based on a win percentage on a set number of fights. This eliminates boosting as well as time zone disparity.
They should make it to where if you click leave battle in the arena you lose points but the other team does not gain any points. I believe this will fix most of the cheating.
100% agree, zero tolerance. I can't believe people do this and then are proud that they got first place. Like what does it even matter. I don't like the idea of not being able to fight the same person more than once just because sometimes I like to switch my team and go again. But I do like the idea of at least refreshing every 15 minutes. Also in the tag team arena the points you lose are 20 - (the points you win), Kolari in your discord cleared that up for me. So in your case you were winning 12 points a round in that last fight, so it would be 20-12, for 8 points lost.
Could always bring in if you go up say 150 points in the a short period of time, you get flagged as potential boasting, and before rewards are given out see what people attacked this person. If it’s seen that it’s all from one clan, the person and all those from that clan that attacked them are given a 24hr ban
I'm glad the top clans don't tolerate it, that gives me a little hope for humanity. I have little hope to get to plat, but seeing how much cheating there is is annoying, and doubly annoying that Plarium does nothing about it. Sidenote: These thumbnails always give me a chuckle cause I imagining you posing in front of the camera doing multiple takes trying to make the perfect grimace. lol
Out of curiosity, your clan/cluster or G&L could do that 'boost'. Have you considered doing it a few times in order to make it clear to future buyers that the boosters can't actually provide the service they're selling, because you'll ruin it for them? Could always just do it on rotation in your clan based on seniority until Plarium fixes it or people stop paying for boosts.
Sad part about 3v3, is that it was well known in the beta and their fix for it was disqualify who does it from the beta rewards... And still launch it with this huge exploit...
I really like the possibility to fght again, because I mess up so often. But I guess that changes if you know that you win or lose before the fight started, because you have made hundreds of battles already.
Totally agree, playrium can make some simple quick and easy changes to at least mitigate the cheating for the moment, and getting first place shouldn't be how much you pay, it should be about the work you put it (for anyone who might argue that people who dont cheat still "pay to win", paying for in-game content is totally fair, there is still rng there, in my opinion, that's not pay to win its pay to progress faster, pay to play as it were) And yea 3x3 arena has some issues, I would win two of my offense battles lose the last one and get negative points overall, is that how its supposed to be? I feel like you should be able to get positive points for winning two battles and if you lose the third you just wont get as many points.
From software development standpoint Plarium has an easy fix available with no modification to the current UI or gameplay. Each arena result is logged with a certain time stamp. Plarium needs to set a minimum length of time between wins logged for each player. Let's say it was set for five seconds. When boosting by multiple persons at the end occurs the time limit will be violated many times. This could be flagged as a possible cheat and reviewed by a game mod. Another way to code it would be looking at the number of wins in each 15 minutes period and compare it to that player's average or some other limit they set. Cheers
Totaly agree. Cheating is the worst crime you can ever do in any game. No toleranse. Just one comment about this "game is a pay to win only in the speed on getting things". That is extremely wrong because of 2 things. The difference beetween the best Legendaries and all the rest (a few epics too) are enourmous. And the most simple and best way to get your hands on those champions is to buy shards. Of course! The second reason are books, because those are so extremely rare. To get them you most often (if not always) need to have top champions to have a chance + pay for energy to get top score in copetitions to win books. This is even more so true for legendary books. And be honest, without books many even of the top champions are useless. These 2 main reasons are constantly increasing the gap beetween any F2P or light spender (where I am) and the whales. To make an example of how this hit players like me is to look at the Arena. I am in Silver 2, trying desperately to fight my way to gold. But over and over and over again i meet full lvl 60 groups with either speed comps or super resist/nuker comps. And usualy I only see the same top 15 "god tier" champions. This is Silver now? Why I never meet anyone at my own "level", I have no clue. I manage to beat some of the comps just by countering those few I have a chance versus. But still.... this game is heavy on the pay to win. So to be competitive in any top charts you need to either be Whale or a content creator who get free books. Edit: I forgot to mention that some of the P2W aspect can be countered by smart comps and fine tuning, and it is funny and satisfying to beat a full 60 Legendary teams that are setup wrong, got bad synergy or geared wrong. And also to try to beat the PVE content with testing. learning and improving. That is the main reason I keep playing.
The arena system in general needs serious improvement. If you go from bronze iv to silver 1, there are a lot of players who get stuck there indefinitely, because the teams you can fight against all change instantly from too easy to require thought, straight to completely unbeatable teams. It's probably the worst ranking system I've ever seen in a game
With Gallifrey's numbers, you could take it upon yourself to shut down the boosting. Completely lock down the Plat top spot for a few weeks. The people paying to get boosted would get pissed and you could nullify the service. At the very least, it would spark a HUGE drama and force Plarium to do something
Not only that, the 3x3 arena is totally broken - if you are lucky you progress to the next tier by just flying under the radar - if you have a strong defense and nobody cares to fight you then you progress to the next tier without a single win during the week. Simply you don't lose enough points from the fights to sink below the promotion threshold which is going down during the week...
Arena overall is a mess right now. Old olayers quit the game and fall down to Silver 4- Gold 1 creating an inpenetrable wall. Most of the teams there have 2, 3 or even all 4 arena specific Legendaries fully geared. I actively play for 6 months, not f2p and I barely hold in silver, even though I could get to gold 2 before. The whole arena needs an overhaul because its impossible for most players to work on their Great Hall or Arbiter missions - you just unable to earn gold medals.
i have an issue with your solution as a mid gold 4 player, i often meet teams which beat me on the first go, I take this as a learning curve and i switch out champs and rechallenge to see if i can get the winning combo. Isn't part of getting better being able learn from your losses? perhaps a compromise of a 3 challenges ie 3 strikes your out sorta rule before you can no longer challenge till next weekly refresh.
No, I like the way it refreshes, I'm smart, and have a solution. Once you fight someone another person takes his place, and if you don't fight someone in your deal within an hour, it refreshes then.
Their response... Basically they are saying that "because you can "boost people everyday" to get medals this is a FEATURE of this game, not a cheat, so this is not serious enought". Unless you consider that this is PLATINUM ARENA, where it works VERY DIFFERENTLY, has a very bad case of timing, planning, and COMPETITION based system (where all of these fail some way or another). Now consider there are people that don't need to care about time, planning, and not even compete to get the rewards your top players fight for. And this even is THE ONLY AREA of your game you worked (or brought some content), despite having been asked for working on other areas of the game by most people! Also about the tag team method, it was negative because you lost 2 battles... if you had won 2, you would net a 24 gain and a 8 minus. A 16+ total. It stains greatly the reputation of your company if your community is the one solving problems for you. Remember Blizzard? Think hard about the future of your game, and of your money.
Sorry, didnt finish the video, but just so you know, there quite a few GLFY guys doing this and this is not the first week either. Oh and pot twist, as far as I know there was a group of GLFY guys boosting CNL a while back so they can earn some booster credit and get their turn to rank 1 eventually
Yeah I read the clan message sad dude was a valued member in the cluster. I try every week always 20 points short because the boosting happens and I can’t keep up. I’d be in platinum every week if this was not a thing. Remove the ability to pick who you fight.
I think you should be allowed to fight again, sometimes you just wanna try to fight the same person again because you messed up or whatever, but maybe make it so that you can't do it more than 2 or 3 times and after that, the opponent will not receive points for the defense wins.
Plarium isn't your friend, and they care less than 0 about any of us. They aren't noble or honorable, creating a balanced/fair environment is absolutely not even on their radar. They care about one thing: profit increase. Now, you're saying possibly one of the most massive group of whales is performing extremely unethical acts, and you're wondering/hoping Plarium will do ANYTHING to upset/rouse that crew/profit margin? Oh, I would not hold your breath.
Just make it like CoC. Hit battle, it shows you the enemy team, you can decided if you want to go against that team or not, if so pick your team and battle, if not it moves on to the next team.
Plarium is not action on it simply because this sinks gems which means profit to them, so I can see they analysis is not putting fix anywhere near top priority. Very sad how this is handled. Well as f2p I don’t really care much but I can totally understand your frustration.
Shock horror, Cartman causing more controversy. Banning is the right thing to do, but we all know wouldn't do that. Just look at the treatment they gave to Cartman with the Draco issue.
They cant even do a update without bugs and more tgen one thing changed their updates suck seem like they try to drain you dry bs updates no new content but alot of new champions to spend more money to (try) to get and i quote that not even guaranteed to get they bait you in let you hit every blue moon to keep you interested it seems
Everything revolve around making money, look at the last content we got, plat arena, tag arena with a brand new shop (because a regular arena shop can't milk hard enought), while the void tower is withering in the darkest corner of the 2019 roadmap. They won't punish accounts spending thousands, because they're not here to consider the regular player base, they're here to make as much as possible before cashing out.
When you cheat in a game, you are not using any efforts to get to a higher level that you don't deserve. Some people just don't understand that video games only bring joy if you pay enough effort. Agree 100% with HH on this.
simple methods : whale for shards, whale for account takeover , whale for top posiiton in arena :) boosting is in any MMO game but there ppl were doing it without involving real money - this game is a cassino - and since plarium is earing money on this boost - do you really believe they are going to do anything about it ? edit. its like full serivce for the whales :) shards then someone to gear their champs and build setups for entire content and again pay 2 win to get to the top of the arena ;)
My understanding is Rina is like rank like like all other games are why do we even get to choose who you're gonna go again. Quite frankly it should be I enter my battle then I see my opponent team that I'm going against or the option of three things I'm gonna fight then I get to build my team and then we go and Daryl the same system that Clash Royale is been using andheri now why can't we use the same
I agree, I do not like cheaters... however until Palarium fixes their broken arena ranking system, and their top heavy whale wars. Arena is the most frustrating part of this game for a free to play player such as myself.
I am no a platinum tier player but my experience in the area has been awful the past month. Used to have a good winning percentage in good 3 or 4 and now I can barley compete in gold 1. It’s ruining my game experience!!
MurderYT could easily boost MurderInc to get rank 1 weekly. But just like you, he does not cheat. Kudos to you and your clan. Edit: btw its bEta not bEEta 😂 just kidding
They should instate a rule that makes it so that if you lose to the same player twice/three times they should lock that player in that refresh so you can’t boost them over 10/20 fights
This practice is so irritating on so many levels. I fully support banning Cheaters. Plarium is the same company that gave in to Draco-gate do we really expect them to stand up to the whales?
Plarium is so slow to respond to game issues that the problems are starting to pile up on them. they should get help from consultants if their employees are overworked. I mean some of these problems are easy to solve if you just allocate time for them. they should be giving premium service to their players since they are selling items at premium prices.
Cheating is doing things that game not allows you to do. And this is just a trick, one of the weaknesses of the arena system. They just pressing the same buttons as all players but in a certain way. Noone should be banned for using it, but this should be fixed.
The Plat arena boosting is wrong, but it doesn’t affect me. I personally care more for the tag arena exploit. That will allow any player to come in and cheat
Makes me think it is Plarium holding the auctions. If they are making money from it then they wouldn't want to fix it. Makes the most sense. Either that or someone who works there is doing it.
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Yo Hell Hades I get your mad at this, but dude come on! They only push one person to plat1 and so all other places of plat are up for grabs. Also if you are in plat in the 1st place why complain that your not plat1 (speaking generally) that's like winning a million dollars and saying you won't be happy to you get a million more witch is unnecessary greed. So if these dipsticks want to spend tons of money to get to plat1 let them, the spending of money deserves reward no matter how stupid it is. ( Yes I've posted this comment twice because I want you to see this and understand and to stop being salty over this)
@@a.r.5100 I literally said this, boosting is not cheating it's no different from paying for this. Anyone who spending money on this game and saying that earned it they are full of it. I'm not saying paying for the game isn't a good thing, I'm saying I will have more respect for u if u don't.
I was online when the gallifrey clan member jumped over 600 points in about 5 minutes right before the reset. I thought, “holy crap I wonder what HH is going to think of this. One of his own comrades has cheated their way to the win.” Glad to see you guys have zero tolerance! Keep advocating good clean arena fun.
Maybe the Democrats are running this, practice for election day..
Who? Be specific.
Honestly, and this is probably an unpopular opinion but they should have kept on boosting so they could keep on posting in plarium discord server for everyone to see and maybe then they will do something about it. As of right now it plarium just chooses to ignore this and they do get away with it. Imo sometimes fighting fire with fire can prove more effective
@@Met-cx9uj Wouldn't surprise.me at all if it was the mods cheating, I've seen It before. If you cheat too, yeah they would probably fo something about that, but then you are the one banned
Plot twist: plarium is providing the boosting services.
hahah this is wrong on so many levels but you wouldnt put it past them
This wouldn't surprise me. It's been going on for months and they didn't bother. I'm no longer playing this game HH. But I still watch your videos.
This comment needs more likes! Wait, maybe we could create a like-boosting service!
Hey think about it cheaters and hackers make you want to spend more check the (Analytics) 😂
Its not far from the truth. its Cartman's clan, thats plariums golden boy.
No need to even see the video to like it, the title is enough!
The video only has to do with maybe 100 players that have even a remote chance at winning first in arena. Honestly it doesn't even seem like cheating to me. Just your clan working together to get their teammate to win. I could not care less about the whales crying about not having enough friends to help them do it too.
@@robertm4050 paying to win platinum with a totally illegitimate system, that stops anyone else who actually tries to win properly is definitely cheating. But yeah, it doesn't really affect the majority of us
Totally agree. If you can't win without cheating just stop playing
Also, kudos on getting the sentence in the vid!
So abusing a system is cheating and it's wrong, but buying everything with money to progress and to get to the top is "legit"..ok
Yes abusing a poorly designed system is wrong, it’s even worse when you get items from it. Just like all the clan hoppers getting 8 plus unm cb chests a day
What is wrong with Plarium are they just too lazy to fix their game? It can't be that hard.
@@darksoul2052Yes, of course it is.
If you wanna gamble a million shards, spending your own money. You're free to do that. As long as YOU have to spend the time and effort to win every Arena battle during the week, and finish in 1st.
@@stevea3514 what's clan hopping?
Arena is so broken; I honestly dont know how the hell im gonna get into G4 for arbiter missions.
2 months ago I was high G4 and ocassionally jumping into plat for a couple games. This morning I was in Silver 4.
Same
Plarium kicked people out of the Beta for cheating like this, but they refuse to do anything about it on the production server.
To me, it really points out that they're fine with cheating as long as they make money from it.
As a programmer myself, I agree with you that the easiest fix would be to allow only one fight per opponent per refresh. All it would be is to always set the "already fought" flag on the opponent without checking to see if the fight was a win or a loss (at most a 10 line code change).
Its all about the money thats why i quit the game
How about this - Plarium: "Whales are happy to be boosted! We leave as is"
This comment deserves top spot
Those dislikers on this video must be the cheaters themselves
Well, I am a disliker, yet I am not a cheater.
I just enjoy the fact that all that invincible whales in elite Platinum Club, with dozens of legos and supreme artifacts are humiliated by bunch of cheaters. ))
@@sapientisat3930 The people who are paying $2000 to get boosted are bigger whales. It isn't that people find it humiliating, it's that this very intentional abuse of a mechanic is being permitted and ignored by Plarium. If you make it so no one other than a cheat/highest bidder win Platinum every week, then people will stop putting resources in to Platinum arena and pvp becomes less competitive, suffering for it.
While I'm not a whale or a cheater I dislike the video. I'm just tired of the cheating area videos. Gallifrey is free to run their clan they way they want, but really it's not our job as players to police the game. It's Plariums failure and just rediculous to me. I don't want to see any more of these videos. Everyone knows this is a problem. I don't find these videos interesting, thus the dislike.
Theyll fix all this in 3.0 next year when they introduce the next amazing content, two new avatars!
Agreed HH. This game is so broken that I do my dailies and leave no money spent. I'm fully supporting Dragon Champions and Marvel Strike Force at this point.
Thanks Hell Hades for shedding some Light on the current situation. I hope Plarium fix this asap.
Im not even near plat, but it should be a fair fight for every one.
I aswell have 0 tolerance for cheaters..
Well said dude! I am glad you do not change and always say honestly what you think ;) totally agree with you anyway
So cartman... who sparked Dracogate is also boosting in Arena
This is why nothing will get done. Cartmen and his clan are hyper whales and have 100% support behind Plarium
Plarium dont care just another player that will destroy you and motivate you to spend more genius marketing
Big thumbs up for speaking out on this (again) and the handling from Gallifrey =)
I'm pretty sure Palarium's stance on this is that the boosting makes them tons of money so they're ok with it.
Well said, sir. And thank you for leading as by example. Arena is just so full of issues that it's no longer fun. It's just a chore that I have to do in order to get Arbiter, and the requirements for her are no small feat any longer.
Thank you for this video. Zero tolerance for cheating is what everyone should be preaching, and what Plarium should be following. Thank you, thank you, thank you!
Yep, I've been playing electronic games since the original Atari, and I'm proud to say, in over 4 decades I've never cheated on a game, even one I play solo.
I thought simcity build it was bad which is developed by ea and ea has got worst company multiple years but wow plarium made them look like company of the year candidate
just remove the name of the player and the champions make this game interesting
now THAT is a very interesting idea. Honestly, they should have made one of the three teams a blind match in the new arena anyway. That would at least make it different from business as usual.
26 dislikes... figured there were more cheaters in arena than that. But seriously who dislikes this besides the people who benefit from the cheating? Couldn't agree with you more HH. Should definitely be banned for taking advantage of that kind of crap.
I agree with this 100%. One idea to possibly add a speed bump in this nonsense, anytime someone chooses to leave any fight (classic arena or tag) put a 15m cooldown on that players account to be able to fight his next fight. This idea was done in another game. PVP battles don't last long at all. Even if you instantly knew it was a mistake to challenge anyone, just let it run it's course and finish that fight. If you still feel like hitting the leave button, take a break and have a snack or something, lol. Also, I like your idea of once you challenge anyone, win or lose, either completely remove that team from the list or put that team on cooldown for the 15m duration.
Time stamp 11:02
*HH* "Okay, Rotos...give it a rest!"
It was Foli, but still made me spit out my drink laughing!!!!!!!!! Love your content.
I am a proponent of the random battle fix. That being the change to make battles picked randomly so no one can choose who they fight.
That'll make arena even worse... I hardly can find any opponent in Bronze that doesn't have legendaries that are fully leveled up
I saw your previous video on this topic and noticed on monday that a GLFY member booster and i was really curios if you are gonna say anything about it. Respect to you and your cluster for sticking to your rules!
Skaro member. Completely agree with the vid and disappointed in the lack of action by plarium. Keep up the good fight and great content.
I am a f2p player for nearly 5 months
and the fun fact for me is to push my team forward and see the results after a period of time...not to have wins without doing work in my team!
While I agree that its kinda not in the spirit of the game, It is not cheating if they aren't breaking any rules.
Some people would see auto clicking on blue stacks cheating a dragon/ spider etc events but no one complains about that
Automatic refresh sounds like the better fix in my opinion, as when i sometimes loose i want to try again with a new setup
It could also be an idea to not give the person you lose against points after xx times aswell
many games have a much better fix. Just have a max number allowed to face the same player until you win. For instance 3 times. Then you got the chance to edit your team or try another strategy, but not allowed to spam wins.
This type of problem happens in most games with a ladder. I think it's kind of funny to take issue with this in a game that's literally pay to win though. I'm surprised they aren't selling arena tier boosts in the shop. Lol.
Thanks for talking about this topic on our behalf
@hellhades. We agree. The problem with boosting in the game is plarium is allowing people to steal arena tokens and rewards off of the players that spend money
Agree with your points HH, but its not considering cheating since its a mechanic inside the game, a really bad mechanic and people abuse. It is just like youtubers that were clan hopping to get more CB chests last year. Its the same thing, people like abusing flaws in Raid Shadow Legends (and there is a lot). What i would consider cheating was that 00:01 Dungeons 20 runs, which is just not possible without CHEAT. Another example that you just shown us? Tag team arena, another bad mechanic, not cheating. Anyway, love all your videos man and keep up the good work. :)
Hi hells
Way to go for standing up for the little man. I agree with u on this issue
They said that arena is the highlight of this game, and the arena is a joke.
This has to change. It's not only cheating and a lot of players getting disappointed but says a lot of the platinum. These guys are basically mock the game. They probably laugh at platinum on how their highlight part of the game is just a playground for them.
I would call for a content creators protest (don`t do videos for a week or something like that).
I agree with you HH. I have never been in the bests in the world and am never even close to it but always love to see the best. In clash of clans, clash royale, and a lot other games many people cheat and get to the top. Many people did it but they got banned. Plarium should change this like the other games.
I would like to see the plat arena push start earlier and become a bracket system that the top players in each bracket advance through. This way the final day is the best of the best that have moved through. The final should be based on a win percentage on a set number of fights. This eliminates boosting as well as time zone disparity.
You've got the kind of clan I'd want to be in!! NO CHEATERS!!!!!
They should make it to where if you click leave battle in the arena you lose points but the other team does not gain any points. I believe this will fix most of the cheating.
The arena in general is broken. I'm was in Gold 1 for a while but now I'm stuck in Silver 2/3 fighting against legendary teams
100% agree, zero tolerance. I can't believe people do this and then are proud that they got first place. Like what does it even matter.
I don't like the idea of not being able to fight the same person more than once just because sometimes I like to switch my team and go again. But I do like the idea of at least refreshing every 15 minutes.
Also in the tag team arena the points you lose are 20 - (the points you win), Kolari in your discord cleared that up for me. So in your case you were winning 12 points a round in that last fight, so it would be 20-12, for 8 points lost.
Could always bring in if you go up say 150 points in the a short period of time, you get flagged as potential boasting, and before rewards are given out see what people attacked this person. If it’s seen that it’s all from one clan, the person and all those from that clan that attacked them are given a 24hr ban
You and I were on the same page, I was going to say that the page should just refresh naturally after 15 minutes.
I'm glad the top clans don't tolerate it, that gives me a little hope for humanity. I have little hope to get to plat, but seeing how much cheating there is is annoying, and doubly annoying that Plarium does nothing about it.
Sidenote: These thumbnails always give me a chuckle cause I imagining you posing in front of the camera doing multiple takes trying to make the perfect grimace. lol
yeah and my wife taking the pictures is saying - oh god we cant use that! :D
a billion % agree. its such a simple fix, yet they do absolutely NOTHING to stop it.
Out of curiosity, your clan/cluster or G&L could do that 'boost'. Have you considered doing it a few times in order to make it clear to future buyers that the boosters can't actually provide the service they're selling, because you'll ruin it for them? Could always just do it on rotation in your clan based on seniority until Plarium fixes it or people stop paying for boosts.
Sad part about 3v3, is that it was well known in the beta and their fix for it was disqualify who does it from the beta rewards... And still launch it with this huge exploit...
Make it two losses, not one. I do retry sometimes in losses and sometimes win after tweaking team
How do you self boost ?
I spoke to one of the mods on discord. They told him its not hurting their income, so they don't see a point in allocating resources to fix it.
Drop to silver to see some real cheat ....
I really like the possibility to fght again, because I mess up so often. But I guess that changes if you know that you win or lose before the fight started, because you have made hundreds of battles already.
Totally agree, playrium can make some simple quick and easy changes to at least mitigate the cheating for the moment, and getting first place shouldn't be how much you pay, it should be about the work you put it (for anyone who might argue that people who dont cheat still "pay to win", paying for in-game content is totally fair, there is still rng there, in my opinion, that's not pay to win its pay to progress faster, pay to play as it were) And yea 3x3 arena has some issues, I would win two of my offense battles lose the last one and get negative points overall, is that how its supposed to be? I feel like you should be able to get positive points for winning two battles and if you lose the third you just wont get as many points.
From software development standpoint Plarium has an easy fix available with no modification to the current UI or gameplay. Each arena result is logged with a certain time stamp. Plarium needs to set a minimum length of time between wins logged for each player.
Let's say it was set for five seconds. When boosting by multiple persons at the end occurs the time limit will be violated many times. This could be flagged as a possible cheat and reviewed by a game mod.
Another way to code it would be looking at the number of wins in each 15 minutes period and compare it to that player's average or some other limit they set.
Cheers
Totaly agree. Cheating is the worst crime you can ever do in any game. No toleranse.
Just one comment about this "game is a pay to win only in the speed on getting things". That is extremely wrong because of 2 things. The difference beetween the best Legendaries and all the rest (a few epics too) are enourmous. And the most simple and best way to get your hands on those champions is to buy shards. Of course! The second reason are books, because those are so extremely rare. To get them you most often (if not always) need to have top champions to have a chance + pay for energy to get top score in copetitions to win books. This is even more so true for legendary books. And be honest, without books many even of the top champions are useless.
These 2 main reasons are constantly increasing the gap beetween any F2P or light spender (where I am) and the whales.
To make an example of how this hit players like me is to look at the Arena. I am in Silver 2, trying desperately to fight my way to gold. But over and over and over again i meet full lvl 60 groups with either speed comps or super resist/nuker comps. And usualy I only see the same top 15 "god tier" champions. This is Silver now? Why I never meet anyone at my own "level", I have no clue. I manage to beat some of the comps just by countering those few I have a chance versus. But still.... this game is heavy on the pay to win. So to be competitive in any top charts you need to either be Whale or a content creator who get free books.
Edit: I forgot to mention that some of the P2W aspect can be countered by smart comps and fine tuning, and it is funny and satisfying to beat a full 60 Legendary teams that are setup wrong, got bad synergy or geared wrong. And also to try to beat the PVE content with testing. learning and improving. That is the main reason I keep playing.
The arena system in general needs serious improvement. If you go from bronze iv to silver 1, there are a lot of players who get stuck there indefinitely, because the teams you can fight against all change instantly from too easy to require thought, straight to completely unbeatable teams. It's probably the worst ranking system I've ever seen in a game
With Gallifrey's numbers, you could take it upon yourself to shut down the boosting. Completely lock down the Plat top spot for a few weeks. The people paying to get boosted would get pissed and you could nullify the service. At the very least, it would spark a HUGE drama and force Plarium to do something
They are going to fix this when they release hydra cb and void tower lol
When is that coming 2025?
Haha i wonder when that will be next century
So in about 5years?!
there is no such thing as hydra or void tower. plarium mentions them to keep whales in the game, but i bet they aren't even concepts.
So never
Hehe this is like your 4th rant video on the arena 😂
Totally agree hh, the time and monetary investment required to get to the plat level alone but Plarium are well aware of this it needs stopped
Not only that, the 3x3 arena is totally broken - if you are lucky you progress to the next tier by just flying under the radar - if you have a strong defense and nobody cares to fight you then you progress to the next tier without a single win during the week. Simply you don't lose enough points from the fights to sink below the promotion threshold which is going down during the week...
I agree that they should be banned. But dont see Plarium doing that since these guys are big customers for them
Arena overall is a mess right now. Old olayers quit the game and fall down to Silver 4- Gold 1 creating an inpenetrable wall. Most of the teams there have 2, 3 or even all 4 arena specific Legendaries fully geared. I actively play for 6 months, not f2p and I barely hold in silver, even though I could get to gold 2 before. The whole arena needs an overhaul because its impossible for most players to work on their Great Hall or Arbiter missions - you just unable to earn gold medals.
i have an issue with your solution as a mid gold 4 player, i often meet teams which beat me on the first go, I take this as a learning curve and i switch out champs and rechallenge to see if i can get the winning combo. Isn't part of getting better being able learn from your losses? perhaps a compromise of a 3 challenges ie 3 strikes your out sorta rule before you can no longer challenge till next weekly refresh.
I fully agree with you 👍. Did Plarium did anything on this
This is why I quit even trying in Arena and will no longer be buying packs from them, going straight F2P, too much is broken
Personally i would replace the player you defeated or lost to with an another player
yes another great idea
Make no sence if the remove a player you lost, then you have no Option to figured out how to beat his defence for Future Arena grinds
No, I like the way it refreshes, I'm smart, and have a solution. Once you fight someone another person takes his place, and if you don't fight someone in your deal within an hour, it refreshes then.
"I have zero tolerance for cheating..... IN GAMES (disclaimer)"
Their response... Basically they are saying that "because you can "boost people everyday" to get medals this is a FEATURE of this game, not a cheat, so this is not serious enought".
Unless you consider that this is PLATINUM ARENA, where it works VERY DIFFERENTLY, has a very bad case of timing, planning, and COMPETITION based system (where all of these fail some way or another).
Now consider there are people that don't need to care about time, planning, and not even compete to get the rewards your top players fight for. And this even is THE ONLY AREA of your game you worked (or brought some content), despite having been asked for working on other areas of the game by most people!
Also about the tag team method, it was negative because you lost 2 battles... if you had won 2, you would net a 24 gain and a 8 minus. A 16+ total.
It stains greatly the reputation of your company if your community is the one solving problems for you. Remember Blizzard? Think hard about the future of your game, and of your money.
Wasnt it a guy from your GLFY cluster the only one boosted last week? By the way, from what I know CNL boosts are not for sale
Sorry, didnt finish the video, but just so you know, there quite a few GLFY guys doing this and this is not the first week either. Oh and pot twist, as far as I know there was a group of GLFY guys boosting CNL a while back so they can earn some booster credit and get their turn to rank 1 eventually
The auto refresh thing is already used in the market. All they need to do is apply it to the arena as well
You my friend are a gladiator 🤝
6 cheaters disliked this video already
Yeah I read the clan message sad dude was a valued member in the cluster. I try every week always 20 points short because the boosting happens and I can’t keep up. I’d be in platinum every week if this was not a thing. Remove the ability to pick who you fight.
I agree with everything, although I really hope that Beetle guy doesn't try and win this week! He'll be kicked for boosting with this as evidence ;)
haahah
I think you should be allowed to fight again, sometimes you just wanna try to fight the same person again because you messed up or whatever, but maybe make it so that you can't do it more than 2 or 3 times and after that, the opponent will not receive points for the defense wins.
Could actually do infinite rematch but only the first loss gives points
You sir have been handed over a flag,keep it up like that!
Plarium isn't your friend, and they care less than 0 about any of us. They aren't noble or honorable, creating a balanced/fair environment is absolutely not even on their radar. They care about one thing: profit increase. Now, you're saying possibly one of the most massive group of whales is performing extremely unethical acts, and you're wondering/hoping Plarium will do ANYTHING to upset/rouse that crew/profit margin? Oh, I would not hold your breath.
i agree with your zero tolerance cheating policy. unfortunately, it seems like plarium might have a different policy.
Just make it like CoC. Hit battle, it shows you the enemy team, you can decided if you want to go against that team or not, if so pick your team and battle, if not it moves on to the next team.
My man spitting facts and even showing it by losing points XD
Plarium is not action on it simply because this sinks gems which means profit to them, so I can see they analysis is not putting fix anywhere near top priority. Very sad how this is handled. Well as f2p I don’t really care much but I can totally understand your frustration.
Kudos for the stance taken 👍
I actually noticed that flaw in the 3v3 arena and thought to myself, you must eventually start to lose more than you gain... Guess I was wrong.
Dawg cheaters good job on the video be nice if palarium just blocked them for a like a month from competing then 3 months then 6 months and so on
yes totally agree! its so simple and would be fixed v fast
If plarium was any normal, it should be permanent ban, so it sends a message, but plarium is plarium.
Shock horror, Cartman causing more controversy. Banning is the right thing to do, but we all know wouldn't do that. Just look at the treatment they gave to Cartman with the Draco issue.
They cant even do a update without bugs and more tgen one thing changed their updates suck seem like they try to drain you dry bs updates no new content but alot of new champions to spend more money to (try) to get and i quote that not even guaranteed to get they bait you in let you hit every blue moon to keep you interested it seems
Everything revolve around making money, look at the last content we got, plat arena, tag arena with a brand new shop (because a regular arena shop can't milk hard enought), while the void tower is withering in the darkest corner of the 2019 roadmap.
They won't punish accounts spending thousands, because they're not here to consider the regular player base, they're here to make as much as possible before cashing out.
When you cheat in a game, you are not using any efforts to get to a higher level that you don't deserve. Some people just don't understand that video games only bring joy if you pay enough effort. Agree 100% with HH on this.
HH: "I am not strong enough to win Platinum Arena. I'm not."
What he means is: "I haven't gotten the most broken champion in the whole game yet."
simple methods : whale for shards, whale for account takeover , whale for top posiiton in arena :) boosting is in any MMO game but there ppl were doing it without involving real money - this game is a cassino - and since plarium is earing money on this boost - do you really believe they are going to do anything about it ? edit. its like full serivce for the whales :) shards then someone to gear their champs and build setups for entire content and again pay 2 win to get to the top of the arena ;)
Why don't they change it so you don't gain points for a defence win, wouldn't that stop what you just described?
My understanding is Rina is like rank like like all other games are why do we even get to choose who you're gonna go again. Quite frankly it should be I enter my battle then I see my opponent team that I'm going against or the option of three things I'm gonna fight then I get to build my team and then we go and Daryl the same system that Clash Royale is been using andheri now why can't we use the same
I agree, I do not like cheaters... however until Palarium fixes their broken arena ranking system, and their top heavy whale wars.
Arena is the most frustrating part of this game for a free to play player such as myself.
I am no a platinum tier player but my experience in the area has been awful the past month. Used to have a good winning percentage in good 3 or 4 and now I can barley compete in gold 1. It’s ruining my game experience!!
Another method is after you battle that person they disappear and another person takes their place either win or lose.
MurderYT could easily boost MurderInc to get rank 1 weekly. But just like you, he does not cheat. Kudos to you and your clan.
Edit: btw its bEta not bEEta 😂 just kidding
They should instate a rule that makes it so that if you lose to the same player twice/three times they should lock that player in that refresh so you can’t boost them over 10/20 fights
Cause a legit player could be losing once or twice and win due to rng
This practice is so irritating on so many levels. I fully support banning Cheaters. Plarium is the same company that gave in to Draco-gate do we really expect them to stand up to the whales?
Plarium is so slow to respond to game issues that the problems are starting to pile up on them. they should get help from consultants if their employees are overworked. I mean some of these problems are easy to solve if you just allocate time for them. they should be giving premium service to their players since they are selling items at premium prices.
Cheating is doing things that game not allows you to do. And this is just a trick, one of the weaknesses of the arena system. They just pressing the same buttons as all players but in a certain way. Noone should be banned for using it, but this should be fixed.
The Plat arena boosting is wrong, but it doesn’t affect me. I personally care more for the tag arena exploit. That will allow any player to come in and cheat
Makes me think it is Plarium holding the auctions. If they are making money from it then they wouldn't want to fix it. Makes the most sense. Either that or someone who works there is doing it.