*Ridge Should Be the Judge of Who is Mrs. Ridge Forrester* Why are Taylor and Brooke fighting in court rather than asking Ridge to choose between them? The battle for Ridge has become a legal drama when it should be a romantic drama. Yesterday the judge himself seemed to realize that when he asked Ridge what he wanted but the lawyers - the legal avatars of Taylor and Brooke - interrupted and prevented Ridge from answering. It’s as if Taylor and Brooke want to keep the decision out of Ridge’s hands and stay in this competitive courtroom realm where they can battle each other more directly. Only Ridge can ultimately decide who gets to be Mrs. Ridge Forrester but it’s interesting that neither woman seems to want to let him decide. It shows that neither Taylor nor Brooke is really confident in their romantic position with Ridge. Taylor is no longer “the wife” so she’s lost the confidence she used to have in that role and Brooke has not yet become “the good girl” so she hasn’t gained the confidence of that archetype.
I was thinking - maybe the point here is that since _neither_ Brooke nor Taylor can claim the "moral high ground", the show wants to prevent _either_ of them from a decisive win. This way, _both_ women actually lose Ridge as a husband. Brooke because her marriage isn't valid - Taylor because Ridge will choose to stay with Brooke.
But if that's the case, then y hasn't Ridge made a decision. Didn't Taylor tell him whn he went overseas to think bout wat he wants, wat was his ans "Its a mess"🥴. If it's Ridge's decision, then who is stopping him from makin a decision. He culd hav ended this long time back !!
@@annieo6527 Yes I think that's a good read Annie. But as you and others have noted: why is the judge and the hearing so focused on feelings instead of the legal merits? And I think the answer is that the hearing is just a competitive space for Taylor and Brooke to each state their case and fight over Ridge while keeping the decision out of his hands.
@@annieo6527you know I'm susceptible to that point. I don't think she has unclean hands. Taylor didn't gain anything back then, only pain. She helped someone else, Ridge, to be happy as her first concern. And I have to say either Brooke has unclean hands in that storyline if we don't count the fact she knew Taylor was alive, but that omission was pointless in the storyline. Omar has them for sure but, as the no reaction listening about the "functional" Bridge family, nobody is horrified about his behaviour.
🇹🇹💯🇹🇹 Judge there is one bad party there - Omar! Omar knew everything and he manipulated Taylor into marriage. Taylor was also aware that she was commiting bigamy. That's the bottom line. Angel Trinidad West Indies. 🇹🇹💯🇹🇹
So Taylor admits she willingly married someone who cruelly manipulated her and locked her in a room, forcing her to confront emotional horrors. Well that's believable.
Exactly! Forgive me this rant but this part of the storyline bugs me to no end. I don't understand why the show isn't treating Omar as more of a villain and why Taylor doesn't just say clearly, "I wasn't allowed to leave the palace! I had no free will!" It's insane that Omar gets to just waltz into court and act as an injured party when he held Taylor captive. She had to sneak out of the palace in an elaborate scheme just to see her dying father! There's more than enough there to meet the duress standard for that marriage contract to be instantly voided (not to mention for Omar to be charged and barred from ever entering the US). The fact that she was aware of Ridge and agreed to marry Omar is irrelevant because she wasn't _actually free._ Once again this show's concept of consent is 🥴😬
Macy's line "well, I'm just utterly horrified" is just brilliant. Sometimes when a line is spoken, it is meant literally and the subtext matches the words. Other times, the tone of voice gives away a subtext that _contradicts_ the words - in which case, the true meaning is in the way the line is said, not the words spoken. But in this case, there's a third twist. Macy's words convey that she is "horrified", her tone of voice implies that she is in fact turn ed on and that the words are spoken ironically (which is the message she is trying to send to Anthony), but the viewers know that she *is* in fact just as horrified as she says she is. She is ly ing in her _tone of voice,_ while her _words_ are the _literal truth_ - quite the opposite of how subtext usually works. Macy's face while she says that line is equally layered - she is almost in tears but struggling to conceal a victorious smile. That one moment captures several layers of emotion - disgust, fear, relief, fake attraction, subdued triumph. In fact, both the real Macy and the persona she created for Anthony are _visible at once._
@@FayeIL I agree - she is really showing her range here. Macy is like two entirely different people when she's with Thorne and when she's with Anthony.
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No man in real life would choose Brooke over Taylor. It's not even close.
I still can't understand why Brooke is on the show looking like that!
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@@Esi-741 I know this isn't PC but I feel Brooke's fans here are mainly women and g ay men and they can't see things the way a straight man would. We're just not that complicated. 🙂 If there's a woman who's far more beautiful like Taylor and she generally tries to be a good person, we'll always pick her any day every day over a woman like Brooke. A guy like Ridge would have too many options to ever settle for Brooke. AND she was married to his dad? Get outta here!
Ridge should know that Taylor was thinking of his welfare over hers because that is Taylor at her core. Brooke knows it, too. Taylor speaks with such sincerity, honesty. I hated the antagonistic way the judge was treating her when he deferred to Omar to speak before her. WTH? And the judge asked Omar if HE knew Taylor was married. Omar answered with Taylor knew. Omar always cunningly manipulating with his careful use of words, tone and phrasing. Sheila was crazy but you could feel a bit sorry for her…she clearly had mental illness. Omar is pure evil.
In that case, Taylor will fully understand that her sacrifice worked for Ridge. He is indeed happy with Brooke and their family. 🤗 Why is she now trying to break that up? 🤔
@@bettyhopson she's not trying to break anythn, she is his legal wife, not Brooke. If Ridge wants Brooke he needs to divorce Taylor, that's y d court case. Taylor also has a life, by doin this she'll get closure !! Not everthn is bout spineless Ridge and his stupid happiness.
@@ambika66681right.Ridge and Brooke can't be legally married. She is alive and she has the right to gain her place in LA. For now she is the only Mrs Ridge Forrester. He has to take the responsibility ( for once) and ask for a divorce.
The last thing I would do, if I recorded someone who just confessed a crime, is to take in my hands, the damn recorder who is in my purse....Why do the writers portray them as being so, so, dummy...........🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
So Macy hung around the office and decides to play back the tape right there. Lol They don’t write soap characters with common sense. I would have 🏃♂️ out as soon as he left!
Now I've watched 2079 episodes, watching several episodes every day. Bold and the Beautiful - 1995 (S8 E328) FULL EPISODE 2079 These episodes are from 1995. Why do I have to wait for a new episode every day here on TH-cam? Since they are from 1995, I will never finish the entire series as long as I live with only one episode per day.
I agree. I would advise to skip around a little bit while you wait for the next episodes. That’s what I did. I have sooo many to finish watching. But for a year I watched 2019 and 2020 episodes. Then I skipped around and went to 2010 to 2012 episodes for a few months. Then skipped to some of the very first episodes in the late 1980s. Then went to early to late 90s episodes. Then back to 2011 to 2012 ones. Lol! 😅I know it’s confusing to do that but if you try to remember what goes on, you can still get a good bit watched.
I agree the 1995 episodes I haven’t seen in years but the other ones I have recently watched over and over. I wish they would bring back 3 episodes of the old one every day.
In California *bigamy* is a criminal offense under Penal Code 281 PC. Unlike Ridge who believed to be a widower, Taylor got married when she knew she was already married to someone. But I assume Taylor's plea has made an impression and tomorrow the judge will just declare the second marriage to be invalid.
And also “I don’t want you! I don’t love you or want to be married to you anymore” seems to be something else he has a hard time understanding. No way would I be doing all this for a woman who said to my face she don’t want me.
Taylor doesn’t have a leg to stand on, as she shouldn’t. Naturally I saw Macy’s tape recorder running out of batteries a mile away. The Macy/Anthony storyline is written to perfection and is suspenseful.
*Faust and Little Red Riding Hood* In this episode, the stakes that have been implicit throughout the Anthony/Macy storyline are being made explicit - the setup is that Macy can _only_ save Thorne if she agrees to sleep with Anthony. It's a very archetypal "deal with the devil" scenario where she has to sell herself in order to pay for Thorne's freedom (again, this previously implicit undercurrent is made explicit in this episode by Darla outright stating "I think the guy's the devil himself", followed by Macy accepting Anthony's offer by literally saying "Deal!"). This way, it appears as if the show is creating a Faust/Mephistopheles dynamic with Macy and Anthony, where she is willing to sell her soul in order to get what she wants from the 😈. (And prior to this, there was a similar dynamic between Ivana and Anthony, where she invited him into her soul and he ended up using her and then unaliving her.) But the twist is that Macy doesn't actually agree to these terms, and she has no intention of following through on her end of the bargain. She is _not_ willing to sell her soul (i.e. sleep with Anthony) because she has _already_ exchanged vows with Thorne and pledged "all of herself" to him. Instead, she tries to _tr i ck_ the Big Bad. And this is where the story becomes less like the archetypal Faust story and more like the "outwitting the monster" fairy tale trope that I mentioned in episode 2072. In fact, in early versions of the folk tale Little Red Riding Hood, the girl escapes and avoids getting into bed with the Big Bad Wolf _exactly_ the same way Macy does - by feigning an urgent "call of nature". (Of course, the Little Red Riding Hood trope has been a recurring theme in Anthony's storyline from the start.)
Great point about the transition from Faust to Fairytale! The tension and stakes in this scene were at a breakneck point and it really felt like the dynamics you've been describing all came to a head in this scene. And when Macy fully makes the switch between storytelling modes, she slips up for the first time (dropping the tape). It's as if there's a cost to making the Faustian bargain but there's also a cost to _not_ making it as well.
@@NewYorkNick0607 yes, and Macy slips up _the exact same way_ that Anthony slipped up when Macy overheard his confession - by being overly confident and giving herself a moment of triumph that she actually couldn't afford (she shouldn't have stayed in the room to listen to the tape). Another nice touch is the return of the low batteries (which is what stopped her tape from reaching Thorne back in 1993). Macy simply doesn't have the literal "power" to take control of the plot. Agree that, in some way, although Macy does have a way out of the Faustian bargain, the plot still "punishes" her for trying to evade it.
Are there such cases in soaps, that the woman has actually gone through something like that? I don't mean with a knife or gun held over her, but cases where the man is still dangerous but he thinks the woman pretending is not afraid of him, in love with him etc? Does anyone know?
@@marn25 I'm not sure about examples of the woman going through with it, but when the roles were reversed, _James_ went through with it in the "parallel storyline" with Sheila.
The judge asked Omar if he knew that Taylor was a married woman...and he answered Taylor knew she was a married woman...obviously he cant comprehend the question😅😅
I know. I watched it twice to confirm. I don't think it's a writing flaw. It was Omar manipulating again. Just as he did regarding consummating their vows.
This proves how he tricked Taylor into marrying him. The torture, the imprisonment, the gaslighting, the manipulation, in the end it worked. Then whn she finally gave in, it seemed like her fault for saying yes !!
With the climax of the Macy/Anthony/Thorne storyline, we're getting the grand showdown we should have gotten when Sheila's current arc wrapped (Sheila's goodbye party was far more underwhelming than I remember it being). It gives the show more life than it's had in ages. An entire episode or episodes could easily be dedicated to wrapping up this storyline in an effective and exciting way. Alas it's consistently nudged aside by the trite A (Morocco) storyline which is so dull and repetitive, that it comes across as filler.
I absolutely agree! The Macy/Anthony storyline is the most interesting thing going on right now by far. But guess what the writers will do when it culminates? We'll get frequent scene cuts between this major life-or-death showdown and scenes with _Jessica and her mother cooking dinner..._ 🙄
Here we have the judge wondering _how he should justify a decision in Taylor's favor, when she had shown so little regard for her own marriage, she had married another man with full knowledge that her husband was still in LA_ and believed her to be dead. Taylor tells the judge that she did that just for one reason - *_she did it for her husband_* . I am surprised that the judge didn't need more than 24 hours to consider that bigamy case, the *unlcean hands* and what marriage should be upheld by the law. Today the judge seemed to be tending towards Connor's augmentation (even used the *unclean hands* terminology too), but tomorrow he will have changed his mind, won't he?
That court hearing and especially the part about the marriage between Taylor and Omar must give that judge a headache. 🤯 _Taylor admitting that she willingly married a man that had been so cruel and manipulative. Omar talking about how they have consummated their marriage spiritually and emotionally, even if not physically, how they have made a commitment_ -even when both of them knew that Taylor was already married to someone else.
Dear sweet Taylor she is in a bad situation the puppet conner is on her case for his ex lover no one knows what she has been through she was vunrable and all alone she was weak and sick if it was not for James god knows what might have happened to her or how long it could take her to recover she is trying to expalin her suffering although words cannot begin to explain the torture she was subjected to by this prince
*Taylor, Macy and "double deals"* This is another one of those "monothematic" episodes I like so much! I wrote in another post how in this episode Macy makes a "deal with the devil" but doesn't consider it binding because she has a prior commitment to Thorne. The way Thorne and Macy repeated their wedding vows in the prison cell after his ar rest, to confirm their validity in spite of the ceremony being interrupted, gains significance now because this is what "invalidates" Macy's Faustian deal, making it possible for her _not_ to live up to her end of the agreement with Anthony (otherwise, an archetypal deal with the devil is usually a binding contract, but in this case, Macy's promises to Anthony are meaningless because from a moral and narrative point of view, she has already entered into another "binding contract" with Thorne). The point where it becomes interesting is that meanwhile in court, this is _the exact case that Taylor is making for herself!_ Taylor also has a prior "binding contract" to the man she loves, and she argues how this contract invalidates the promises she later made to Omar. She justifies herself by claiming that Omar deceived her, and states that the true reason she did it was because she was making a sacrifice for Ridge. _All of this_ applies to Macy's situation as well. So while Macy's "double deal" is playing out in reality with life-and-death stakes, Taylor's "double deal" is playing out in court, in a stylized fashion, with a judge about to determine whether or not Taylor's position (and, by extension, Macy's) holds up in the eyes of a higher justice system. By this follows that Taylor's and Macy's fates are linked because they are subjects to the same fictional rules, and since they are both "Good Girls" they are not allowed to break those rules and still win. So in terms of narrative logic, in order for Macy to be able to break her "deal with the devil" and escape unharmed, the judge has to rule _in Taylor's favor_ - if it is determined that Taylor has no obligation to Omar, then Macy is also freed from her obligation to Anthony.
LOVE this comparison Annie! Indeed Taylor marrying Omar can also be viewed as a deal with devil (like becoming the Dark Princess/Dark Bride). Another way her situation is similar to Macy's is that Taylor didn't consummate that deal, didn't go to bed with Omar thus retaining some vestige of "purity" just as Macy avoids having s ex with Anthony. The difference between them is also instructive: Taylor made a mess of her situation and showed doubt in Ridge's love for her while Macy is fully trusting in Thorne's love and in fact they are in this together, united in her deception and se d u c ti on of Anthony (whereas when Taylor was married to Omar, Ridge was completely unaware and she hid it from him for a long time). And Macy risking her life to save Thorne pays off, she completes and honors the sacrifice while Taylor goes back on the sacrifice she tried to make for Ridge. In the end, these distinctions are why Macy "earns" her happy ending and Taylor doesn't and why Macy remains more true to the Good Girl archetype.
@@NewYorkNick0607 those are great additional points that further reinforce the parallel! And there are also certain similarities in how Omar relates to Taylor, and how Anthony relates to Macy. Both men strive to deny the women their freedom and subjectivity, replacing the real woman with a fantasy image they create in their mind ("Princess Laila" and "dark Macy", respectively). But again, there are differences in how Taylor and Macy navigate the situation, where Taylor first submits to Omar's fantasy and then rebels (somewhat ineffectually) against it, while Macy _plays along_ with Anthony's fantasy and uses it to her own advantage. I also agree that in these storylines, Macy stays true to her Good Girl archetype while Taylor does not. Not because Taylor actually does anything _bad,_ but because Taylor is _not taken seriously_ in the writing. This also ties into what you said about how Omar's villain status is diminished (while Anthony's villain status has by now reached demonic proportions). Also, like you said, Taylor's archetype suffers because for a very long time, she has had no clear goal in mind, while Macy has been laser focused on one (honorable) objective. To sum it up, I think the characterization for Macy is at this point far superior to the characterization for Taylor. Both characters have changed during the course of their storyline, but while Macy has experienced organic character _growth,_ Taylor has been put through character _dilution._
Knowing her archtype, we can assume from her expressions that she really, genuinely does not know why she married Omar. It shows that she wasn't thinking and was indeed taken advantage of. Also she is still grateful to Omar. She was the same with Blake.
@@babs4848 I know that one's a bit from left field! ❤😹 (And full marks for being such a willing student. I like to think it's my constant curiosity about stuff that keeps me young .... ish)
@@babs4848 Wikipedia has a great explanation of how to interpret the film: "The Rashomon effect refers to how parties describe an event in a different and contradictory manner, which reflects their subjective interpretation and self-interested advocacy, rather than an objective truth."
Why did it take this long for her to tell this important part of the story. This part is everything. Shebshould have been screaming this from the rooftops the day she came back to la😊
This judge is all about the drama .He wants to hear the stories Shouldn’t this be a clear case ?? Taylor isn’t dead and she is legally Ridge’s wife Then he should determine if she committed bigamy by willfully marrying Omar Case closed These are the only things that should matter NOT if Ridge loves both his wives Or if Brooke has children Today he finally gets to what’s important
Taylor complicated her case by marrying Omar while she was still married to Ridge. Maybe Taylor convinced the judge she married Omar under duress after she found out Ridge had married Brooke? Time has passed and Taylor wants her original husband back…after a year of being away? 😮
It sure has. Right now though Brooke and Taylor both have had their confidence shaken. The look on Brooke's face during the questioning...... @@bettyhopson
@@kimlambert2127 Yes, you are right…Brooke does not look happy. I think Brooke is hearing for the first time out of Taylor’s mouth that she married Omar because of Ridge…not because she wanted Omar? So yes, Brooke is being affected by Taylor’s testimony…😟
Taylor may be realizing that her reason for marrying Omar looks really Dumb now. She no longer feels like Sacrificing for Ridge’s happiness…😮 That was the point in marrying Omar…so Ridge could be Happy? But now Taylor wants her marriage to Ridge back…so it’s about Taylor now and what she wants? This all makes Perfect sense…😁 Taylor loosing all sense of Self Awareness…🥴
The point being made Taylor knew she already had a husband when she agreed to marry Omar? She married Omar to save Ridge’s happiness…that’s the part which may seem strange in the current circumstances? Because now she wants what she did wiped out…🤷♀️ Ridge’s happiness is no longer the Issue….🤔 Taylor really making herself seem unstable…in her choices now? 🥴
Anthony is right about one thing, Thorne is indeed very stupid
Judge: "We need a recess, I have a headache."
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Big a Me? Aww, that’s Big of You.
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*Ridge Should Be the Judge of Who is Mrs. Ridge Forrester*
Why are Taylor and Brooke fighting in court rather than asking Ridge to choose between them? The battle for Ridge has become a legal drama when it should be a romantic drama. Yesterday the judge himself seemed to realize that when he asked Ridge what he wanted but the lawyers - the legal avatars of Taylor and Brooke - interrupted and prevented Ridge from answering. It’s as if Taylor and Brooke want to keep the decision out of Ridge’s hands and stay in this competitive courtroom realm where they can battle each other more directly. Only Ridge can ultimately decide who gets to be Mrs. Ridge Forrester but it’s interesting that neither woman seems to want to let him decide. It shows that neither Taylor nor Brooke is really confident in their romantic position with Ridge. Taylor is no longer “the wife” so she’s lost the confidence she used to have in that role and Brooke has not yet become “the good girl” so she hasn’t gained the confidence of that archetype.
I was thinking - maybe the point here is that since _neither_ Brooke nor Taylor can claim the "moral high ground", the show wants to prevent _either_ of them from a decisive win. This way, _both_ women actually lose Ridge as a husband. Brooke because her marriage isn't valid - Taylor because Ridge will choose to stay with Brooke.
But if that's the case, then y hasn't Ridge made a decision. Didn't Taylor tell him whn he went overseas to think bout wat he wants, wat was his ans "Its a mess"🥴.
If it's Ridge's decision, then who is stopping him from makin a decision. He culd hav ended this long time back !!
Great post! It's like you and Annie have been saying, both women are acting insecure and not living up to the romantic heroine role.
Just seeing Ridge and Brooke sitting next to each other and Taylor on the other side speaks volumes.
@@annieo6527 Yes I think that's a good read Annie. But as you and others have noted: why is the judge and the hearing so focused on feelings instead of the legal merits? And I think the answer is that the hearing is just a competitive space for Taylor and Brooke to each state their case and fight over Ridge while keeping the decision out of his hands.
Ridge holding back the tears😢😢 well you could have waited a year at least before marrying another woman
When Connor said Taylor has "unclean hands" the judge looked like he forgot to do something after coming out of the bathroom (1:59). 😆
Question is what did he do in the bathroom 😊
Actually, I think this concept explains why the writers can't allow either woman to win. They both have "unclean hands".
How do you notice these things?? 😂😂💀
@@annieo6527you know I'm susceptible to that point. I don't think she has unclean hands. Taylor didn't gain anything back then, only pain. She helped someone else, Ridge, to be happy as her first concern. And I have to say either Brooke has unclean hands in that storyline if we don't count the fact she knew Taylor was alive, but that omission was pointless in the storyline. Omar has them for sure but, as the no reaction listening about the "functional" Bridge family, nobody is horrified about his behaviour.
LOL the judge looked so self conscious too
A prisoner can consent to marrying her captor?
Taylor and Omar _really are_ Beauty and the Beast!
Ridge is Gaston 😋
@@NewYorkNick0607 Brooke is LeFou
@@memento-_mori Nooo.. she's the old beggar woman (I'm not saying enchantress) 😂
*Anthony:* "I did it. I killed Mufasa!"
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@@annieo6527 Macy/Simba with the tape recorder: "So they can _hear_ you."
Omar tryna cover that he wasn't getting any from Taylor! 😂
🇹🇹💯🇹🇹 Judge there is one bad party there - Omar! Omar knew everything and he manipulated Taylor into marriage. Taylor was also aware that she was commiting bigamy. That's the bottom line.
Angel Trinidad West Indies.
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yes the fool is a shamed
So Taylor admits she willingly married someone who cruelly manipulated her and locked her in a room, forcing her to confront emotional horrors. Well that's believable.
Your so right about that
Exactly! Forgive me this rant but this part of the storyline bugs me to no end. I don't understand why the show isn't treating Omar as more of a villain and why Taylor doesn't just say clearly, "I wasn't allowed to leave the palace! I had no free will!" It's insane that Omar gets to just waltz into court and act as an injured party when he held Taylor captive. She had to sneak out of the palace in an elaborate scheme just to see her dying father! There's more than enough there to meet the duress standard for that marriage contract to be instantly voided (not to mention for Omar to be charged and barred from ever entering the US). The fact that she was aware of Ridge and agreed to marry Omar is irrelevant because she wasn't _actually free._ Once again this show's concept of consent is 🥴😬
@@NewYorkNick0607 This part 👍💥
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@@NewYorkNick0607 well stated 👍
Macy's line "well, I'm just utterly horrified" is just brilliant.
Sometimes when a line is spoken, it is meant literally and the subtext matches the words. Other times, the tone of voice gives away a subtext that _contradicts_ the words - in which case, the true meaning is in the way the line is said, not the words spoken. But in this case, there's a third twist. Macy's words convey that she is "horrified", her tone of voice implies that she is in fact turn ed on and that the words are spoken ironically (which is the message she is trying to send to Anthony), but the viewers know that she *is* in fact just as horrified as she says she is. She is ly ing in her _tone of voice,_ while her _words_ are the _literal truth_ - quite the opposite of how subtext usually works.
Macy's face while she says that line is equally layered - she is almost in tears but struggling to conceal a victorious smile. That one moment captures several layers of emotion - disgust, fear, relief, fake attraction, subdued triumph. In fact, both the real Macy and the persona she created for Anthony are _visible at once._
Absolutely!
Splendid, Annie! 👌
Excellent and insightful analysis, Annie! Bobbie Eakes is really shining in these episodes.
@@FayeIL I agree - she is really showing her range here. Macy is like two entirely different people when she's with Thorne and when she's with Anthony.
No man in real life would choose Brooke over Taylor. It's not even close.
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I still can't understand why Brooke is on the show looking like that!
@@Esi-741 I know this isn't PC but I feel Brooke's fans here are mainly women and g ay men and they can't see things the way a straight man would. We're just not that complicated. 🙂 If there's a woman who's far more beautiful like Taylor and she generally tries to be a good person, we'll always pick her any day every day over a woman like Brooke. A guy like Ridge would have too many options to ever settle for Brooke. AND she was married to his dad? Get outta here!
yes who would choose a demon over an angel
"An arsenal of wedding photographs" ... that's the neutral and objective way of describing it.
If only dron es were available back then 😉.
Ridge should know that Taylor was thinking of his welfare over hers because that is Taylor at her core. Brooke knows it, too.
Taylor speaks with such sincerity, honesty.
I hated the antagonistic way the judge was treating her when he deferred to Omar to speak before her. WTH?
And the judge asked Omar if HE knew Taylor was married. Omar answered with Taylor knew.
Omar always cunningly manipulating with his careful use of words, tone and phrasing.
Sheila was crazy but you could feel a bit sorry for her…she clearly had mental illness. Omar is pure evil.
OMAR AND BROOKE ARE PURE EVIL
Selfish and conniving both!
In that case, Taylor will fully understand that her sacrifice worked for Ridge. He is indeed happy with Brooke and their family. 🤗
Why is she now trying to break that up? 🤔
@@bettyhopson she's not trying to break anythn, she is his legal wife, not Brooke. If Ridge wants Brooke he needs to divorce Taylor, that's y d court case. Taylor also has a life, by doin this she'll get closure !! Not everthn is bout spineless Ridge and his stupid happiness.
@@ambika66681right.Ridge and Brooke can't be legally married. She is alive and she has the right to gain her place in LA. For now she is the only Mrs Ridge Forrester. He has to take the responsibility ( for once) and ask for a divorce.
Brooke and Omar should be a couple.
Both equally un attractive and out of touch with reality.
And they both look older than Ridge and Taylor.
and evil, manipulative and controlling and have a weird notion about destiney
Hope that courtroom is on the first floor. When Brooke’s marriage is annulled, she’ll want to jump out the window.
I hope its on a hill, with a 778 ft drop directly outside said window.
You think her broom could defy such gravity?
@@teligon I'm cackling! 😂😂😂
Geronimo!!!! 😂
@@jonfoerster Jay Garvinoooooo!
@@NewYorkNick0607 LMAO!!!!
Thorne never deserved Macy. She was way too good for him.
Couldn’t agree with you more!
The fact that Brooke sits up there knowing full well she and Prince Omar schemed together and also Prince Omar is mighty quiet now
The last thing I would do, if I recorded someone who just confessed a crime, is to take in my hands, the damn recorder who is in my purse....Why do the writers portray them as being so, so, dummy...........🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
For the continued suspense 😅😅😅 yes their dumb 😅
@@filionsteve2133 😉🤣💯
@@filionsteve2133so unrealistic
Taylors lawyer omitted an important fact ... that her marriage with Omar was not consummated
Infuriating 😡
I am much enjoying the Shelia free episodes !!!
The judge declined when Taylor's lawyer offered that "arsenal of photographs" as evidence. He didn't want to spend any more time looking at Brooke.
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So Macy hung around the office and decides to play back the tape right there. Lol
They don’t write soap characters with common sense.
I would have 🏃♂️ out as soon as he left!
And immediately as Anthony close the door😂
Now that Macy dropped the tape, how will she manage to get it back?
Has anyone watched ahead?
*SPOILER*
Darla gets it back for her. But by then it's too late. Anthony has already listened to it and figured out what Macy's been up to.
If Omar had shown Taylor photos of Bridget, she would've realized how much Ridge needed her and rushed back home.
Yes she would!!
What has Bridget to do with that???
Now I've watched 2079 episodes, watching several episodes every day. Bold and the Beautiful - 1995 (S8 E328) FULL EPISODE 2079 These episodes are from 1995. Why do I have to wait for a new episode every day here on TH-cam? Since they are from 1995, I will never finish the entire series as long as I live with only one episode per day.
I agree. I would advise to skip around a little bit while you wait for the next episodes. That’s what I did. I have sooo many to finish watching. But for a year I watched 2019 and 2020 episodes. Then I skipped around and went to 2010 to 2012 episodes for a few months. Then skipped to some of the very first episodes in the late 1980s. Then went to early to late 90s episodes. Then back to 2011 to 2012 ones. Lol! 😅I know it’s confusing to do that but if you try to remember what goes on, you can still get a good bit watched.
I agree the 1995 episodes I haven’t seen in years but the other ones I have recently watched over and over. I wish they would bring back 3 episodes of the old one every day.
@@amberlindawnbrigmanoh, don't bother, that user will post this for years to come. We have to read this every single day!😂🙈
@@scor66what will happen after S8 will you all still be posting?
The judge talks to Taylor like she's a criminal.
In California *bigamy* is a criminal offense under Penal Code 281 PC. Unlike Ridge who believed to be a widower, Taylor got married when she knew she was already married to someone.
But I assume Taylor's plea has made an impression and tomorrow the judge will just declare the second marriage to be invalid.
@mara4450 ...❤❤ most countries
Sit down, Alf. Nobody wants to hear you speak for Taylor! 🙄
Your so right about that
LMAO "Alf" 😂😂😂
LOL ALF! Nicely done!
What does the judge mean that he’s heard enough from Taylor?? SHE NEVER GOT TO SPEAK!!!
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I was thinking the same. Brooke was allowed to give a long speech. And Omar is not even part of the proceedings!
Does anyone else get instantly annoyed when they see Brooke? I guess she has that affect on people. 😆
I do🙋🏻♀️. I mostly skip her scenes. Can't stand her. And if Kkls asthmatic left eye, crying is on then I just 😬😬🥶🥶
I do. She look s terrible and the character is unappealing.
Yep, me! Always! Never liked her and to this day I don't get the hype about her either!😂👍
I feel sorry for Brooke. It's not easy being that u&ly and married to a beautiful man whose last two wives were also beautiful.
@@StephWrites-id6cx 😆🤣
See Connor.. reminding the judge again and again about the children 😂
They hav no other reason for then to be together!! Let's wait till Thomas is conceived
Yes he uses Brooke's talking points!😂
Men like prince Omar don't understand words like "sit down" or "you are not in charge here" 🤦🏾♀️😂
And also “I don’t want you! I don’t love you or want to be married to you anymore” seems to be something else he has a hard time understanding. No way would I be doing all this for a woman who said to my face she don’t want me.
The only thing good about him is his choice in woman.
@galoutlaw8089 OK that had me snort laughing🤣😂 and you're exactly right
Giving a Prince orders😂
A prince is supposed to give orders not take them 😂
Did it ever cross Anthony's mind that he's never seen this "bad girl" side of Macy before?🤦🏾♀️ things that make you go "hmmmm..."🤔😅
😄He is too egomaniac to see beyond his greed.
I was thinking this exact same thing, Anthony calling Thorne a dummy, oh please who is the dummy rn 😂😂😂
@@babs4848 you've got that right 🎯
@@kimlambert2127 exactly 😂😂
@@kimlambert2127😂
Our board- Karen screaming and ranting all over the place again😂🥱
I never understood the hype about Connor. Omar is a creep, he needs to go!
It was a lot worst yesterday too😖🤣. Its like they want too much attention but cant get it cos thers not one iota of sense in their post😂
Brooke really does look terrible in these courtroom scenes. No other leading lady on any other soap at that time looked that bad.
Her hair are disaster since 1994
Omar pretending to be a "prince" when he gave Taylor the, endless, time she needed in bed.
Ridiculous that they didn't have Macy didn't fake some reason to be able to pick up the tape! 😂
She didn't know it had fallen
@galoutlaw8089 Oh, really? Ahhh...
@@Sacredsaucemusic Actually it's not very clear. Just thought I'd give writers benefit of doubt.
Dang Macy, why didn't you just slide the tape under the couch so you could go back and get it later? 😩
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@@babs4848 🤯🤷🤦
Yes i thought the same too or pretend to drop her handbag and pick up together....bad writing i guess🤦♀️
@@christinadaniel6498 It's always bad writing. Wonder why, lol 😄
@@laurastrobel718😂lol, guess we are entertaining ourselves by the silliness of this show😅
I cannot believe how dumb Macy is now he knows she was trying to trap him well I wonder how she’s going to get out of that one.
Gunpoints coming …
Where is James when Taylor "really" needs him? He saw her while married to the prince.
But James also tried to rescue Taylor and she refused. 😮
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Tired of Connor being Brooke's lapdog. He can leave the show now. 😒
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Yes, pls!
Yes! I like Grant much better!
he is like a doormate
He’s year was 1993 , he’s gonna leave 96 or 97
Taylor doesn’t have a leg to stand on, as she shouldn’t. Naturally I saw Macy’s tape recorder running out of batteries a mile away. The Macy/Anthony storyline is written to perfection and is suspenseful.
The court is going to rule in Taylor's favor.
Thank you. ❤❤❤
Thank you so much for this episode
_"I have some toys for rough guys at home."_ (Macy, seriously overselling her needlepoint kit)
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Oh, I remember that. Fakeroline went to town on that when she was living with Macy and Thorne.
*Faust and Little Red Riding Hood*
In this episode, the stakes that have been implicit throughout the Anthony/Macy storyline are being made explicit - the setup is that Macy can _only_ save Thorne if she agrees to sleep with Anthony. It's a very archetypal "deal with the devil" scenario where she has to sell herself in order to pay for Thorne's freedom (again, this previously implicit undercurrent is made explicit in this episode by Darla outright stating "I think the guy's the devil himself", followed by Macy accepting Anthony's offer by literally saying "Deal!"). This way, it appears as if the show is creating a Faust/Mephistopheles dynamic with Macy and Anthony, where she is willing to sell her soul in order to get what she wants from the 😈. (And prior to this, there was a similar dynamic between Ivana and Anthony, where she invited him into her soul and he ended up using her and then unaliving her.)
But the twist is that Macy doesn't actually agree to these terms, and she has no intention of following through on her end of the bargain. She is _not_ willing to sell her soul (i.e. sleep with Anthony) because she has _already_ exchanged vows with Thorne and pledged "all of herself" to him. Instead, she tries to _tr i ck_ the Big Bad. And this is where the story becomes less like the archetypal Faust story and more like the "outwitting the monster" fairy tale trope that I mentioned in episode 2072. In fact, in early versions of the folk tale Little Red Riding Hood, the girl escapes and avoids getting into bed with the Big Bad Wolf _exactly_ the same way Macy does - by feigning an urgent "call of nature". (Of course, the Little Red Riding Hood trope has been a recurring theme in Anthony's storyline from the start.)
Great point about the transition from Faust to Fairytale! The tension and stakes in this scene were at a breakneck point and it really felt like the dynamics you've been describing all came to a head in this scene. And when Macy fully makes the switch between storytelling modes, she slips up for the first time (dropping the tape). It's as if there's a cost to making the Faustian bargain but there's also a cost to _not_ making it as well.
@@NewYorkNick0607 yes, and Macy slips up _the exact same way_ that Anthony slipped up when Macy overheard his confession - by being overly confident and giving herself a moment of triumph that she actually couldn't afford (she shouldn't have stayed in the room to listen to the tape).
Another nice touch is the return of the low batteries (which is what stopped her tape from reaching Thorne back in 1993). Macy simply doesn't have the literal "power" to take control of the plot.
Agree that, in some way, although Macy does have a way out of the Faustian bargain, the plot still "punishes" her for trying to evade it.
Are there such cases in soaps, that the woman has actually gone through something like that? I don't mean with a knife or gun held over her, but cases where the man is still dangerous but he thinks the woman pretending is not afraid of him, in love with him etc? Does anyone know?
@@marn25 I'm not sure about examples of the woman going through with it, but when the roles were reversed, _James_ went through with it in the "parallel storyline" with Sheila.
@@annieo6527 A yes, I forgot about that, perfect example👍
The judge asked Omar if he knew that Taylor was a married woman...and he answered Taylor knew she was a married woman...obviously he cant comprehend the question😅😅
What kind of writing is it!
I know. I watched it twice to confirm. I don't think it's a writing flaw. It was Omar manipulating again. Just as he did regarding consummating their vows.
This proves how he tricked Taylor into marrying him. The torture, the imprisonment, the gaslighting, the manipulation, in the end it worked. Then whn she finally gave in, it seemed like her fault for saying yes !!
he is escaping the answer knowing it will condemn him
Taylor annoys me. She violated the psychologist code of ethics going after her dying clients (Caroline) husband. Big no no..
😂😂🙈
Ya and Brooke slept with her lawyer, Connor that helped her become CEO but I guess Brooke will always b forgiven😒😅
Connor is rough on Taylor , their not friends ? lol
Today we find out that Saul was in on it.
It was obvious in that scene, at least I thought it was
I wonder what the judge would say if he knew that Taylor had been infaithful to Ridge with James.
❤...i did it for James..he was a virgin😂😂😂😂
15.34 Taylor is slowly becoming blonde 👱♀️.
Well thank God Ridge isn't married to more than one wife .. 😂😂😊
With the climax of the Macy/Anthony/Thorne storyline, we're getting the grand showdown we should have gotten when Sheila's current arc wrapped (Sheila's goodbye party was far more underwhelming than I remember it being). It gives the show more life than it's had in ages. An entire episode or episodes could easily be dedicated to wrapping up this storyline in an effective and exciting way. Alas it's consistently nudged aside by the trite A (Morocco) storyline which is so dull and repetitive, that it comes across as filler.
I absolutely agree! The Macy/Anthony storyline is the most interesting thing going on right now by far. But guess what the writers will do when it culminates? We'll get frequent scene cuts between this major life-or-death showdown and scenes with _Jessica and her mother cooking dinner..._ 🙄
Here we have the judge wondering _how he should justify a decision in Taylor's favor, when she had shown so little regard for her own marriage, she had married another man with full knowledge that her husband was still in LA_ and believed her to be dead. Taylor tells the judge that she did that just for one reason - *_she did it for her husband_* .
I am surprised that the judge didn't need more than 24 hours to consider that bigamy case, the *unlcean hands* and what marriage should be upheld by the law.
Today the judge seemed to be tending towards Connor's augmentation (even used the *unclean hands* terminology too), but tomorrow he will have changed his mind, won't he?
That court hearing and especially the part about the marriage between Taylor and Omar must give that judge a headache. 🤯
_Taylor admitting that she willingly married a man that had been so cruel and manipulative. Omar talking about how they have consummated their marriage spiritually and emotionally, even if not physically, how they have made a commitment_ -even when both of them knew that Taylor was already married to someone else.
Dear sweet Taylor she is in a bad situation the puppet conner is on her case for his ex lover no one knows what she has been through she was vunrable and all alone she was weak and sick if it was not for James god knows what might have happened to her or how long it could take her to recover she is trying to expalin her suffering although words cannot begin to explain the torture she was subjected to by this prince
OMG Macy put the tape recorder away you silly woman 😮😮😮😮😮
He came back like 30 sec after he left , but the suspense is at 💯
@@filionsteve2133 yes I was all jittery 🙈🙈🙈
*Taylor, Macy and "double deals"*
This is another one of those "monothematic" episodes I like so much!
I wrote in another post how in this episode Macy makes a "deal with the devil" but doesn't consider it binding because she has a prior commitment to Thorne. The way Thorne and Macy repeated their wedding vows in the prison cell after his ar rest, to confirm their validity in spite of the ceremony being interrupted, gains significance now because this is what "invalidates" Macy's Faustian deal, making it possible for her _not_ to live up to her end of the agreement with Anthony (otherwise, an archetypal deal with the devil is usually a binding contract, but in this case, Macy's promises to Anthony are meaningless because from a moral and narrative point of view, she has already entered into another "binding contract" with Thorne).
The point where it becomes interesting is that meanwhile in court, this is _the exact case that Taylor is making for herself!_ Taylor also has a prior "binding contract" to the man she loves, and she argues how this contract invalidates the promises she later made to Omar. She justifies herself by claiming that Omar deceived her, and states that the true reason she did it was because she was making a sacrifice for Ridge. _All of this_ applies to Macy's situation as well. So while Macy's "double deal" is playing out in reality with life-and-death stakes, Taylor's "double deal" is playing out in court, in a stylized fashion, with a judge about to determine whether or not Taylor's position (and, by extension, Macy's) holds up in the eyes of a higher justice system.
By this follows that Taylor's and Macy's fates are linked because they are subjects to the same fictional rules, and since they are both "Good Girls" they are not allowed to break those rules and still win. So in terms of narrative logic, in order for Macy to be able to break her "deal with the devil" and escape unharmed, the judge has to rule _in Taylor's favor_ - if it is determined that Taylor has no obligation to Omar, then Macy is also freed from her obligation to Anthony.
Wow Annie! Just how do you do this! ❤
LOVE this comparison Annie! Indeed Taylor marrying Omar can also be viewed as a deal with devil (like becoming the Dark Princess/Dark Bride). Another way her situation is similar to Macy's is that Taylor didn't consummate that deal, didn't go to bed with Omar thus retaining some vestige of "purity" just as Macy avoids having s ex with Anthony. The difference between them is also instructive: Taylor made a mess of her situation and showed doubt in Ridge's love for her while Macy is fully trusting in Thorne's love and in fact they are in this together, united in her deception and se d u c ti on of Anthony (whereas when Taylor was married to Omar, Ridge was completely unaware and she hid it from him for a long time). And Macy risking her life to save Thorne pays off, she completes and honors the sacrifice while Taylor goes back on the sacrifice she tried to make for Ridge. In the end, these distinctions are why Macy "earns" her happy ending and Taylor doesn't and why Macy remains more true to the Good Girl archetype.
@@galoutlaw8089 😊❤
@@NewYorkNick0607 those are great additional points that further reinforce the parallel! And there are also certain similarities in how Omar relates to Taylor, and how Anthony relates to Macy. Both men strive to deny the women their freedom and subjectivity, replacing the real woman with a fantasy image they create in their mind ("Princess Laila" and "dark Macy", respectively). But again, there are differences in how Taylor and Macy navigate the situation, where Taylor first submits to Omar's fantasy and then rebels (somewhat ineffectually) against it, while Macy _plays along_ with Anthony's fantasy and uses it to her own advantage.
I also agree that in these storylines, Macy stays true to her Good Girl archetype while Taylor does not. Not because Taylor actually does anything _bad,_ but because Taylor is _not taken seriously_ in the writing. This also ties into what you said about how Omar's villain status is diminished (while Anthony's villain status has by now reached demonic proportions). Also, like you said, Taylor's archetype suffers because for a very long time, she has had no clear goal in mind, while Macy has been laser focused on one (honorable) objective.
To sum it up, I think the characterization for Macy is at this point far superior to the characterization for Taylor. Both characters have changed during the course of their storyline, but while Macy has experienced organic character _growth,_ Taylor has been put through character _dilution._
i still dont get why Taylor doesnt describe the whole course of events
Knowing her archtype, we can assume from her expressions that she really, genuinely does not know why she married Omar. It shows that she wasn't thinking and was indeed taken advantage of. Also she is still grateful to Omar. She was the same with Blake.
She was locked up against her will?!!! That’s a kidnapping charge in this country?!!!
And now kids, it's time for Rashomon ... the telenovela version!
I had to goggled the word before putting a like to your witty post😄
@@babs4848 I know that one's a bit from left field! ❤😹 (And full marks for being such a willing student. I like to think it's my constant curiosity about stuff that keeps me young .... ish)
@@babs4848 Wikipedia has a great explanation of how to interpret the film: "The Rashomon effect refers to how parties describe an event in a different and contradictory manner, which reflects their subjective interpretation and self-interested advocacy, rather than an objective truth."
@@shanemarais823 ❤️ everything that comes from you, or Nick or Annie is worthy of attention.
@@shanemarais823 that's the way almost everyone is commenting this show 😜
Macy thinking her plan would go off without a hitch. ok.
She’s tried hard
@@filionsteve2133 Anthony’s onto them now lol. It’s been years since I’ve seen this storyline and I can’t remember what finally happened to Anthony. 🤔
Is this the first Brooke is hearing of this??
Anthony is about to spill the beans YES…… thank goodness confess it already 😂😂😂
"We would hear her screaming"
Umm not if Anthony covered her mouth so no one can hear her scream.
I miss Macy so much.
Why did it take this long for her to tell this important part of the story. This part is everything. Shebshould have been screaming this from the rooftops the day she came back to la😊
Seal it with creepy lovemaking NO 😮😮😮😮 heck to the naw…….😂 😂😂😂😂😂 Anthony sicko
Taylor and Omar both had unclean hands
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how can it be that you thinking about having sex with somebody at any time soon and not having condom in somewhere with you. too easy, major plot hole
Dont worry beautiful Brooke...Ridge will choose you ❤
And the haters gona hate, hate, hate, hate 😌
Till the paternity test Scandal when Sheila’s will be back from asylum early 96 ..!!
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This judge is all about the drama .He wants to hear the stories
Shouldn’t this be a clear case ??
Taylor isn’t dead and she is legally Ridge’s wife
Then he should determine if she committed bigamy by willfully marrying Omar
Case closed
These are the only things that should matter
NOT if Ridge loves both his wives
Or if Brooke has children
Today he finally gets to what’s important
Taylor complicated her case by marrying Omar while she was still married to Ridge. Maybe Taylor convinced the judge she married Omar under duress after she found out Ridge had married Brooke?
Time has passed and Taylor wants her original husband back…after a year of being away? 😮
@@bettyhopson❤
Macy -- 😮😮😮😮
Oh stop Macy stop him stop him stop him 😮😮😮😮
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Poor Taylor NOT! 😂 lol
Poor Brooke. Every time she has to look in a mirror.
Poor Brooke 🤣
Her confidence has taken a hit…looks like? 🥴
It sure has. Right now though Brooke and Taylor both have had their confidence shaken. The look on Brooke's face during the questioning...... @@bettyhopson
@@kimlambert2127
Yes, you are right…Brooke does not look happy. I think Brooke is hearing for the first time out of Taylor’s mouth that she married Omar because of Ridge…not because she wanted Omar? So yes, Brooke is being affected by Taylor’s testimony…😟
Yes she was fully recovered……. 🙄 she was NOT confused. 🤢🤢🤢🤢 she is crazy 😜
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Yes -- she regained her memory 🙄 oh please Taylor -- pull it out of her Connor 😂😂 make her admit it!
Taylor may be realizing that her reason for marrying Omar looks really Dumb now. She no longer feels like Sacrificing for Ridge’s happiness…😮
That was the point in marrying Omar…so Ridge could be Happy? But now Taylor wants her marriage to Ridge back…so it’s about Taylor now and what she wants? This all makes Perfect sense…😁
Taylor loosing all sense of Self Awareness…🥴
Taylor having to Face her own screw up in marrying Omar for What? 😢
Yes. Exactly! @@bettyhopson
The point being made Taylor knew she already had a husband when she agreed to marry Omar? She married Omar to save Ridge’s happiness…that’s the part which may seem strange in the current circumstances? Because now she wants what she did wiped out…🤷♀️
Ridge’s happiness is no longer the Issue….🤔
Taylor really making herself seem unstable…in her choices now? 🥴
@❤bettyhopson
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