Brewers Counsell & Adames Both Ejected Over Umpire Not Allowing Time Out, Then Pitch Clock Violation
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 ส.ค. 2024
- During the bottom of the 6th inning in a 7-1 game between the Milwaukee Brewers and the LA Angels, Adames was at the plate and called time out. The TO was not granted by the home plate umpire and the pitcher was allowed to carry through. The umpire would call a high strike, then as Adames was disputing the non-granted TO, he would be given a pitch clock violation. Brew Crew manager Craig Counsell would come out of the dugout to dispute the call and get tossed. After the at-bat, Adames would continue to let the umpire know how he felt and he would then too get sent to the clubhouse early.
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Can't wait for Jomboy to break this one down, that's every use of "bullshit" there LOL
Even if he didn’t grant him the timeout, how was that a strike? It was a foot above the zone.
Ump just sticking it to him with that
Out of the batters box is an automatic strike I thibk
@@opienick nope
Spite
7-1 game he’s got reservations afterward
it's so weird to see adames have any emotion other happy giddy with happiness
thats how you know something wasnt right at the plate regarding the ump, K schwarber had an out of body episode on Angel Hernandez last year lol and Schwarbs was 1 of the nicest guys Ive met outside Wrigley! things have to change, one of these umps is going to get slept, way too many emotions and testosterone hahaha
Okay..
One, the pitcher was in his windup when time was called so I applaud the umpire for not granting time, as pitchers shutting it down mid delivery is an unnecessary risk of injury.
Two, even if the pitcher was not in his windup, the umpire absolutely does not have to grant the batter time.
Three, under the new pitch clock rules (which any real baseball fan absolutely hates, if we're being honest), the batter was not ready and in the box at the 8 second mark because he was too busy being a diva about not getting his way, which, in turn is an automatic strike.
Other than the pitch being called a strike, which absolutely no one can say wouldn't have been called strike even if the batter was in the box given the state of umpiring these day, the whole things was handled correctly according to the rules by the homeplate umpire.
Can't wait to see the backlash I get for this, but i am absolutely correct 👌
We're both with the minority on this one. I think the ump handled it correctly.
It’s apparent Manfred has instructed these umps to toss anyone and everyone who questions anything this season. Guys getting thrown out over nothing.
He’s a POS ….need to get shed of him, he’s hurting the game.
Rob Manfred is destroying the game of baseball!
1) You don't know what Counsell or Adames said (unless you're a Jomboy-level lip-reader, in which case, please tell us what they said). 2) I've found out by watching some of these ejection videos that the MLB rulebook has a number of things that trigger an automatic ejection that aren't arguing about ball and strike calls. It's clear to me that some teams still need to adjust to the new pitch clock rules. The only mistake I think the ump might have made is not calling the "Max Scherzer rule" on the pitcher for starting his motion before the batter was reasonably set. I'm no umpire Stan (I'm a Cards fan, and their ball/strike calls have heavily favored our opponents so far this year), but often they do exactly what the rulebook tells them to do.
Update: I just watched from 0:15 - 0:18 at 0.25x speed, and Barría started his motion before Adames' bat was up. Therefore, I think he violated the Scherzer rule and should have been charged with an automatic ball. However, Adames didn't handle it well by trying to call timeout after Barría had already started his motion and stepping out of the batter's box, turning an automatic ball into an automatic strike. It's a tough situation, but Adames should have responded differently.
@@JobiWan144 my point exactly now you have too many people thinking about a clock, quick pitching, extra time in box etc. Years ago a pitcher would wait for the batter to get set because he wanted his best against the batter’s best, that’s just what you did! That’s how the game was played, not against a clock etc!
The batter doesn't need to have the bat up before the pitcher starts his motion? The batter is clearly not ready. This rule is not working out as intended.
I wish I was an MLB coach just so I can act extra AF in a situation like this. I'd be throwing bases around and everything, high fiving fans on the side too.
get fined out the ass too
Yeah, okay, da crib.
You'd get cuffed around like a 2nd grader in the sandbox at recess.
da dweeb.
Extra AF? Lol grow up
Then your ass would be fired.
I'd write "FUCK MANFRED" in the dirt before leaving
The pitcher gets gifted two strikes and then the manager and batter get ejected.
I'm watching way less baseball now than ever before...
Adames tried to call time while the pitcher was in motion, that's never ever been allowed. He walked away and the strike zone is based on the batter's physical proportions. He took away the frame of reference.
Bad look on the ump. I think Barria started his motion too soon. If Adames actually called time and didn't just complain, he's in the right.
He has to be GRANTED time. It's not automatic.
@@Subangelis that does need to change but not in this context. The pitcher had already started his motion.
Time to get rid of the pitch clock... I'd rather spend and extra 30 to 40 minutes watching a ball game than this bullshit
The new rules suck! They are trying to get the game over before it has started!
Lost control of the situation when he immediately got lost in his feelings. After it became about his feelings, it was only going to get worse. MLB has added another aspect to the game that the umps can’t handle. Take it out of their hands.
Adames tried to call time while the pitcher was in motion, that's never ever been allowed. He walked away and the strike zone is based on the batter's physical proportions. He took away the frame of reference.
@@The_King_Ginger yeah i can’t side with the batter this time. Ump called this right
@@HIDDENRHYTHM The pitcher got set before Willy was ready. It was pretty close so I see how you see that.
In slow motion this is no doubt a violation by the pitcher.
At Pitch clock = 10s the pitcher starts his motion and Adames' bat is down at the plate, not in a hitting position. Adames has until pitchclock = 8s to get set into his hitting position with his eyes on the pitcher. The pitcher starts before Adames is fully set. That was what Adames was upset about, had nothing to do with calling time.
So yeah, the ump makes a mistake here. He missed the quick-pitch. Making a bad strike call didn't help the situation.
These rules are put in place to speed up the game but commonly result in THIS which then lengthens the game because the umpires get a power trip and cant grant a simple time on a quick pitch. Its bad for the core of the game
I swear the umpires nowadays just want to get on SportsCenter or TH-cam.
*Baseball not looking too good these days. Umpires ejecting more than I ever seen and a pitch clock that is rivaling Nolan Ryan in k's.*
So the batter’s asking about why he didn’t get the time out, the umpire just lets the clock run on him for the next pitch, and then tosses him and the manager when they predictably get upset?
Remind me again how this is good for the sport
It’s SpeEdINg uP tEh gaMe!
Baseball used to be a leisurely sport, a "past time". The pitch clock rules have caused more problems they solved. The old rules worked well.
Does anyone have stats on how much time is saved because of the pitch clock rules?
Whoever thought giving umpires MORE subjective decision making to affect at bats ought to be fired.
The umpires should fight back against these overpaid Ego maniacs,screw em
This is getting ridiculous.
Pitch clock. Batters have a job. Managers need to zip it. Why ump's fault?
Ump looks like he's trying to play god
Ump's doing his job.
Tell the pissants to play ball or get off the field.
Or just enforce the rules.
You're full of crap. The ump called it 100٪ correct. The coach and player were both in the wrong.
@@chesterthompson6835 100%? Yes, Adames called time after the pitcher started, but the pitcher started before Adames was set, so Adames was fully within his rights to call time and take a step back. From that point on, umpire was in the wrong. Pitch should not have been counted, clock should not have started running on a new pitch, and Adames and Counsell had every reason to be angry for the ump’s screw up.
@@chesterthompson6835 You mean 100% wrong. Pitcher got set before Willy was ready. You can’t do that. Time should have been automatically granted. Just stop.
Umpires are out of control, if you question anything they do anymore they just eject you from the game. And this new pitch clock rule is ridiculous, MLB should be ashamed of themselves for letting the game get to this point
i think the MLB is incentivizing them to be this way. Only way it makes sense for the significant lift in umpire assholery
Umpires are not out of control, they are trying to make players comply with the pitch clock rules. I agree with you that the pitch clock rules are ridiculous, they have caused more problems than they solve and should be rescinded.
The MLB is a J.O.K.E.
This is ridiculous, players can't even ask the umpire for clarification on something now. This destroys the idea of the pitch clock for me, yeah lets shave 30 mins off a game but have this dumb stuff happen all the time.
You're not watching the sport of baseball.
One, you have zero clue what he said to the umpire, but thats neither here nor there.
But let's assume he did, in fact, ask why he was not granted time. The umpire, in this instance, would likely respond with "he was in his windup" or "you called time too late." There, boom, clarification, done in 5 seconds (if that), back in the batters box you go. Its not the umps fault he chose to stand there continuing to argue while the clock was running down. I hate the pitch clock as much as everyone else, but honestly this was handled correctly.
umpire better be getting reprimanded. He let the pitcher quick pitch the batter, then called a BS strike then doubled down with a pitch clock violation. that's awful.
These officials need to learn their role. Officiate the game, not control it. Dudes a clown. He couldn’t make it as an athlete so he has to insert his dominance at every chance he gets. And they’re protected by a union so they get to just be losers and have no consequences. That’s why they’re hated. The truth hurts
I thought having a pitch clock was going to be a great thing. Keeps a slow game moving. I, just like the MLB, forgot how egotistical and power-hungry these umpires are.
One more reason to get rid of umpires, their unchecked arrogance has led to their own demise
This is disgusting behavior from the ump. He made the it personal by calling that strike on him and no ump should be able to get away with something like that
He didn’t grant the batter time. The pitch was a strike. The batter then wasted time. The ump is correct here.
On the umps side here. He asked for time after the pitcher started his motion, so he shouldn't get it. Then he wasted time arguing and the pitch clock violation was automatic. He couldn't give it up after the inning, so tossing him was the right call.
@@billyskittles1036 I agree besides the fact that the pitch was definitely not a strike lol
@@PantsofVance true, the pitch was not a strike, and it would have been called a ball had the batter remained in the batter box. But as he stepped out, it was called a strike.
The issue here is the pitcher is not allowed to pitch until the batter makes eye contact with him. The Batter looked, made eye contact and the pitcher began his motion. As the pitcher was in motion, the batter turned to call for time, which was denied as the pitcher was in motion, and he stepped out.
There was a video I saw some days ago where this was discussed, because the batter did not look to make eye contact in time, or the pitcher began the pitch before the batter even looked up.
@PantsofVance to be fair to the umpire on the strike call, the batter walked away so he completely lost his reference point for the top of the zone. It was close enough that without the battery standing there to know where the top of the zone is, you give it to the pitcher.
Unreal how any of you think the pitch clock has enhanced the game...this is an absolute joke
Get rid of the pitch clock! People can learn to be patient!
They wanna make it a 2 hr game, this isn't a game about speed. It's precision
@@shadowoof6473 Yeah, but I'm sure everyone can admit a 4 hour game is an insta-nap. Keep the clock but adjust it accordingly, and the umps really need to relax on the tosses for stupid shit like this IMO. It is working for the most part though.
@W#y S0 Seri0us? Yea lol. You look at an umpire the wrong way and your ejected
@@beecee660 remove the clock and umps need yearly courses to thoroughly ensure they are calling right and not toss people for them trying to argue a position
This year's umpires are the worst that major league baseball has ever seen.
Wrong. Have you watched baseball in the 70s and 80s?
That's right Mr. Umpire. All those people there paid to come see you.
An extra strike for arguing?!
They should let them fight like in Hockey
It's literally 7-1 and you are getting ejected for this? lol
The pitch was high?
The ask on the timeout was late. The strike call was wrong.
This is the issue coming to a head. Our new culture demands all people insert themselves in to the middle of all focus.
How many ejections have there been related to this clock nonsense?
Got tossed for 2-3 “that’s bs”… that itself is bs
Wtf. It’s game one of the year buddy. Should know the routine buy now.
* not game one.
They've shortened they game...gee, thanks.
Who's that little umpire girl?
Only one way to stop BS like this: MONNNNNEY...as in umpire fines! MLB, and the other pro sports leagues, but especially baseball and football, should have committees (odd member, excluding the commissioners) to review calls like this and egregious behavior committed by officials. Hefty fines would then need to be imposed on the guilty officiating party or parties according to a fair sliding scale of judgement. This needs to be a message sent to sports officials that none of the pro leagues will absolutely not tolerate especially malfeasant poor officiating that tarnishes the standards of the game and associated league. The argument here might be that nobody would want to be a sports official anymore. Let's see: there are over EIGHT BILLION people on this Earth. I'm sure the human population will never be at a loss to find sports officials...especially ones that act fairly and uphold the integrity of sports in general.
Trying to save time with the pitch clock and instead we waste our time watching arguments.
It’s the time to have women umpires to see who’s the first coach or player to tell her that she is full of bull crap 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I was a high school basketball Referee if I let myself get so worked up over a minor dispute with a coach I would be ashamed of myself. This guy is an umpire for professional baseball and he gets this upset? In my opinion he’s too absorbed with his own importantance.
Actually at first..he was saying that he should not be charged a strike because he wasn't looking at the pitcher. He was set in the box and turned his head as the windup happened. Legit strike.
Except it was clearly a ball
Ridiculous
Called time out and the pitch was clearly a ball….jeez these umps suck
A player cannot call time out. He can request time but the umpire is under no obligation to grant the request. You don't know much about baseball. Jeez, casual ignorant fans like you suck.
and people wonder why everyone hates baseball
All these bad calls in MLB and not a single punch thrown at the ump. I’m sure they’ll reconsider calling bad calls once umps get punched in the mouth more often
Changing the game man 😒
Umpires try to look and act tough meanwhile underneath all that black armor They're a bunch of punks.
Baseball umpires are the biggest joke in sport - the sooner you minimise their influence the better for the game
Pitch clock is the worst!!
Most umpires have serious mommy issues
Umps are the worst thing about major league baseball period! They are NOT a part of the game. They are a part of wins otherwise becoming losses and vice versa. We have the technology to correct all the bad pitch calls and making the game purely about player ability.
No, we don't.
It takes time to actually get accurate strike-ball data.
@@randomstuff508 No it's actually instantaneous. Have you ever watched a game?
@@notnilccm to get data is instantaneous, yes. But to get *accurate* data is not.
@@randomstuff508 You're part of the problem. Let me give an example. Do we not have the ability to set up video, precise video, and have perhaps 3 or 5 officials calling each pitch remotely? The ump can stay at the plate. Think about it. UMPS RUIN BASEBALL! 15% of all called balls and strikes are wrong. 6 inches off the plate??? I am not interested in watching. An occasional half inch off the plate miss, I can deal with.
Absolutely hate this pitch clock crap
Wait until playoffs and a game ends .....because of a pitch clock violation...
That's NOT baseball people!
Not the baseball I love anyway..
It is cleapry the umpires fault not the managers or willys
It wasnt even strike that one!
Ump was making horrible calls all game.
I agree with the ump.
Thats why the baseball sport is dying.
this is getting rediculous....this shit needs to go..who cares if the games take forever, these umps are controlling the games and not letting the players play...who woulda thought it was ganna be a shtshow
Unions.......no consequences for suckin at your job.
Umpires…..worst officials with the worst attitudes of any sport, any! Unwatchable……
stop going to the games
Theirs a reason i dont like watching sports like football or soccer. Especially soccer. Too many fouls and flags for simple sht, im suprised hockey isnt 80% watching penalties and 20% the actual game
ANOTHER reason to throw out these Stupid new rules. It just gives the umps another reason to screw players over.
These new rules make me not watch baseball at all.
Colour me surprised that another umpire abuses their authority to make themselves feel important. Yet another great argument made in favour of robot umps.
pitch clock is a total joke- play is in disarray because of constant complaining
Bring in the robots!!!
Ump trying to inject himself into the game while he still has a job. A few more years of this then robot decides strikes and balls.
Baseball officiating is taking over the game and in a bad way.
That pitch clock is BS.
For those of you still in favor of the pitch clock despite early-season debacles like this:
This is what you asked for. Actually, you didn't ask. You cried, whined, and incessantly demanded this: a fast game just for the sake of being fast. When this arbitrary, asinine timekeeping in a timeless game rears its ugly head up your team's ass in October, you remember: this is exactly what you wanted.
Nah, we didn't ask for dumbass umpires thinking the game was about them. Pitcher quick pitched the batter. The ump needs to call time there. Forget the batter calling time and it not being granted. The pitcher isn't allowed to do what he did.
play the frigging game- this constant pitch clock pissing and moaning make abott and costellos whos on first look tame- screw the clock
Yea that ump sucks
I say it all the time!!!! Umps deserve a fastball or 2 to straighten them out!
Tigers did that a few years back, not sure if there was any consequences.
One of the reasons why I don't watch Baseball too much any more is because I am sick and tired of the King shit attitude of the umpires! 🤨😒
my OPINION without prejudice 🦂
"Thought he was set too early" The guy was pitching from the wind up
He meant on the rubber I think
@TrashPanda "set" as in pitching from the stretch. As per the new scherzer rule, pitcher cannot be set before batter ready
Cubs fan here, I am (WE ARE) so sick and tired of going to a game or just watching it on tv where players have to tip toe around these ump's emotions and feelings even when it was THERE fault the manager or player got mad at them!!! Why TF is it about them all the damn time anyway!?!?! They should have no more authority other than to call balls/strikes/ fair/foul, out and safe (lets face it majority cant even get that right) enough is enough MLB! Misconduct on the field I get it but this whole "ejection due to hurt ego or emotions" is cringe AF, Do better MLB!!
People are more tired of slow paced boring games
When you get more boos than the visiting team...you done something wrong
Manfred did this.
The asinine new rules have only made the umpires a bigger role in the game than they already were. MLB new rules are stupid.
umpire talking to the batter and calls a strike for timeclock violation? after refusing to grant time out.That ump should be in them minors or unemployed.
The umpire does not need to grant time when a player requests it.
@@alanhess9306 That is correct, but when the umpire is talking to the batter the pitch clock needs to be off, he cant talk to the batter and then say the batter is delaying the game and call a violation. THAT is what the ump did here ok, get it now .
@@KerryGlaman Nonsense. The batter initiated the "discussion". He should have gotten back into the box. Do you get it now?
@alanhess9306 the ump engaged in the discussion, the clock should not have started until the discussion was over and the batter made eye contact with the pitcher again whole in the box, it was complete bullshit to call a pitch clock violation there.
@@KerryGlaman That's on the batter who initiated the argument and did not get back in the box. Players need to stop arguing and comply with the rules.
I agree with they suck
Pitch clock is ruining the game
I wouldn’t have granted him a timeout. The pitcher was already dealing. He steps out and it’s hard to see the strike zone the same. Sucks that it happened this way but I dunno doesn’t look too bad
He got set before Willy was ready making it an automatic timeout but it was close.
A player is allowed to ask for time-out..!! The ump did not provide,..WHAT is his REASON for not allowing a time-out from the batter..???
El comisionado de grande ligas de quitar eso por esta dañando el show eso ridicule
all these new rules did was give trigger happy umps more power that they shouldn't have .... smh let the players play .. If the batter or pitcher needs time for a moment to regather themselves let them have it .. Baseball getting more and more unwatchable . The zebra's in any sport should be as far removed from deciding the outcome as possible .
Why tf don’t managers and players start throwing out the umpires? If I was an MLB player and that happened I wouldn’t even say anything, I’d just eject the umpire. (I know it means nothing but still)
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these ego driven umps are are affecting players numbers and therefore their pocketbooks. players union needs to fight for robots since these umps cant do the job
At that point, just hit him. If he's going to toss you and your skipper for something that silly, give him a better reason.
and MLB refs continue to ruin the game
Most people don’t watch baseball because of how slow and boring it is