Vegan and Sheep Farmer Live BBC Debate: "Sheep are the Ultimate Renewable Technology"
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Thanks for watching guys! Unfortunately they cut the segment early by about five minutes so I didn’t have the opportunity to discuss the ethics of veganism as planned.
To find out about what happens in the UK sheep farming industry, watch Land of Hope and Glory here: th-cam.com/video/dvtVkNofcq8/w-d-xo.html
i wondered why the sheep farmer was there when it was billed as a debate about the health of veganism..
@@bazza5699
That's because carnists frequently engage in woolly thinking!
:)
Thank you Ed for being such an awesome vegan advocate. Your calm, knowledge and compassion are a great example for all of us.
You nailed him Ed! I think the ethics were there and were felt without saying directly! Well done, you were incredible! Xx
Ed I just want to make you aware of the ethics of a vegan diet. Just a which question would you say that the life of one species of animal is more important than another? Dont bother answering that question because I already know that question. I dont know if u are aware of this but there are many small species of rodents that live in crops. The crops offer them food, shelter and protecting for predators. However there is one that they are unable to escape, the harvesters. A combine will destroy there nests, there food source and there life. In my opinion I feel completely fine with this because foxes and crows will eat the remains. Also there many more mice killed a year during harvest time than cattle a year. If you understand this but choose to ignore this then I am going to call you out for being specieist. Dont bother calling me out for the same as I believe its the circle of life however if I use you logic of thinking I hope you are disgusted with urself.
Best wishes
James
P.S I dont give a shit if ur a vegan its just you force it upon people without even thinking about your own actions.
Farmer: Science backs me
Ed: No it doesn't
Farmer: Science is fraud
JP 🤣🤣🤣👍🏼
Priceless, isn't it? 😁
HAHAHAH!!!
This comment made my day hahahah
😂😂😂😂
Debating against Earthling Ed..? You must be out of your mind! 😂
I was laughing when I opened this video, happy of course for the coverage this gives us, and perhaps with some "shadenfreude" for the embarrassment I knew was about to befall Ed's opponent.
Because he is the voice of true conscience.
awww forget it. When you get as sick as I was, and slowly wake up and heal, then we may talk again.@Doomsday
House Vibez I know right. They just talk out of their asses. 😂😂
House Vibez I would love to have a one on one debate with Ed as I would rip him a new one, the man is a delusional, misguided, attention seeking fool!!!
Ed you’re so well researched. Very impressive. Cool, calm, educated and collected.
Thanks for defending veganism so eloquently once again ✊🏻🌱💙
If Ed was educated then he wouldnt be a fan of veganism. It makes more animals suffer than livestock farming.
Fair play to you joey too. You and ed between you have saved many animals and are practically changing the world between you. You guys should get alot more credit than what you do from the media etc. They should be banging out MBE and OBEs for people like yourselves that are making change for the better, rather than people who do a bit of acting or sport. Shocking world we live in pal, stay strong bruv. Take care
James Galloway This is true. Also, these vegans are literally pushing a much larger agenda to starve the human population. Many of them are realizing this once they begin true starvation and their health declines. But some is the hardcore vegans will probably ignore their declining health because their ideology is so solidified.
James Galloway
Cite your sources, until then you have no credibility to make such a statement.
Meat production, including seafood production, kills 3 trillion a year.
Explain how being vegan is worse
neville oreilly
Wrong, while fertilizing may involve animal products it does not inherently have to, and there is such thing as plant-based fertilizer in the form of mulch.
The fact he referred to sheep as Technology is disgusting
Thank you!!! About the same as my response to that line. "... the fact that our sheep are produced in a very natural way, they're producing a very nutritious product..." they are living, breathing, thinking, feeling, self-aware, conscious beings!! A product!!? as if they were like a cell phone. The stupidity and contradiction is painfully obvious and willfully ignored. The mental gymnastics are unreal by these people.
G E S T E L L
My robot which I made out of grass whose pain doesn't matter because sheep aren't people
It's not just disgusting, it is really REALLY stupid.
Technology, noun:
"The application of scientific knowledge for practical purposes, especially in industry."
I guess there could be sheep herding technology, but sheep, in itself, is definitely not tech, for crying out loud.
@Zapp Brannigan "Who cares no one takes vegans seriously anyways"
Yet, Ed, Joey Carbstrong, James Aspey and Gary Yourofsky have on numerous occations been invited to debates, discussions and shows in both radio and TV to put the vegan message forward, and veganism is indeed growing, and even meat companies has started to produce plant based alternatives. And the meat industry in the EU is so threatened by veganism that their lobby groups are trying to ban certain aspects of vegan marketing strategies.
Veganism is indeed being taken really seriously.
Good thing debates aren't sentient cuz you kill em everytime!
How do you know that? are you a debate? How can you say debates don't have feelings? You're just a typical debate eater that feels better than everyone.
@@flapthreedoodle843 Are you aware that logic and common sense are taken away from the speaker 3 sentences after he finds himself debating Ed, and then Ed takes their arguments and puts it in his TH-cam video to get vegan likes and money?
...people who want to talk about debate ethics vs facts on how the meat and dairy industry is affecting our planet
😆😆😆
I am in the final year of my Renewable Energy Engineering degree and weirdly we are yet to cover this great renewable source this farmer speaks of...
@Susan Webb It is indeed :D
@Susan Webb I hope he has as much fun as I've had! An absolutely fantastic place to live and study :D
hahahahahaha you made me laugh so hard!
:D
Impossible.
It began with the fine tradition of slavery long ago. In fact, sheep take after humans in this regard. Or is it that humans have been taking after sleep? Well, regardless, there's no reason to not include The Matrix in your engineering classes.
Did he just say Sheep are are renewable Technology, the Cognitive Dissonance has reached new disturbing levels
Kool Kit 😂😂😂
We'll have those pesky iSheeps on treadmills in no time to generate our electricity!! 😀
vegan violinplayer realest stuff I’ve heard all week
literally everything vegans say, flat earthers say as well.
after all my flat earth ''facts'', you're still telling yourself earth is round? the cognitive dissonance is strong with this one!
@@jw6871 what?
I really appreciate how well the host moderated this debate and asked him to be specific, etc.
agreed. this debate is almost therapeutic compared to other earthing ed videos where it can be more heated or floundering
@@PokeNebula yesss frrr
And the NSA man answered them all brilliantly, and never interrupted. Contrast to the long- haired man
Hello Piers Morgan! Watch and learn!
Question: What do you think is misleading about veganuary?
Answer: I think it's within everyone's right to choose the sort of diet they should eat...
Thanks for ignoring the question mate.
well the anwser is not appropriate to the question but it´s still true.
@@professionaltaxevader4638 - Not really. Most people wouldn't accept it if someone was a cannibal and ate their neighbours. Just because it's the norm to eat meat doesn't mean it's right.
@@ivanhagstrom5601 Then why you eat vegetables many kids are ready to make them illegal. I think there is a major difference between cannibalism or even eating pets and normal meat products.
@@professionaltaxevader4638 - My point is that "choice" isn't a valid reason to do something. You need other justifications. My reason for eating vegetables is that it's healthy, tasty, cheap and doesn't cause unnecessary suffering.
@@ivanhagstrom5601 Well I like meat because its tasty cheap and healthy why should I give up on that if most animals can´t rationalize on pain making their suffering plain instinct. And vegetables are damn expensive and are rising because of the lastest fitness and vegetarian fashion.
*Fun fact:* methane is over 20x more damaging to the ozone layer than CO2.
This man also says "Oxford University" is coming out with studies about methane, but in June 2018, Oxford released the results of a 5-year study that concluded that *veganism is the single biggest way to help the environment.*
@Matt Lyle not to mention that a vegan world is genocide. The human race would literally be dead in a couple of decades
@abortion_lasagna malnutrition. People can't digest anything from plants except a little of the sugar and starch. That's why your vegan diet is dependent on supplements and supplements is the worst way to get any form of nutrition.
@abortion_lasagna so tigers and wolves, etc should eat plants too?
@abortion_lasagna omg. It's nothing to do with conscious. It's bio available nutrition. How are your b12 supplements made if it doesn't exist in the first place?
Herbivores convert the nutrients from plants because they have the stomach bacteria for that purpose.
People are obligate hyper carnivores meaning we require the nutrition animals have converted from plants and stored in their bodies for carnivores.
Veterinary practices have spoken out stringly advising against feeding cats and dogs a plant based diet. Wolves are obligate hyper carnivores aswell. Believe it or not people have a very similar digestive track to wolves, the biggest difference is our appendix (I was surprised to discover that too).
Morals are one thing. People poisoning and malnourishing themselves because they can't accept they're carnivores is mental illness.
@abortion_lasagna there's a big difference between surviving and thriving. You think the entire population should inject themselves with supplements?
Farms don't inject b12 into animals. Animals evolved for eating plants get everything they need from those plants. People are not evolved to eat plants so we get virtually nothing from them. Human nutrition comes from the flesh and fat of animals.
the media seems to be a bit more vegan friendly in these debates lately. good to see
True I also noticed that. Maybe they are realizing that more people are becoming vegan and they want that share also. It's all about shares... Still nice though =)
Don't worry. Piers Morgan will make up for all of that.
true... although I wouldn't be surprised if even he came around and was friendlier to the vegan movement at some point...he just plays a personality that does what he's told I would guess
@@rawintuition
Definitely noticing a gradual shift. Great to see.
Piers Morgan will always go with popular opinion on any subject so once the movement gathers more momentum he will jump on board.
Media goes with what's more trending these days. And guess what, veganism is trending all over the globe! 😀 Media look for profit and we look for compassion as much as possible ✌🏻
my jaw fell open when he said "Sheep are the Ultimate Renewable Technology" i dread to think what he considers cows to be.. the ultimate beef technology..
Hahaha
How are they renewable? Is he raising them from the dead?
if there's one thing i'm against it's zombie sheep
@@TXRhody Their wool is renewable...and I suspect that he though that term was catchy and used it towards his farming practices. Yeah, limbs don't grow back.
How can he even call a living being a technology? 😂 So twisted
Ed is an absolute GOAT (greatest of all time) here
PLANT BASED NEWS ✌🏻
ED is the mock goat of all time!!
he does look like a goat
PLANT BASED NEWS and you are his bell end scrotum hugger
You mean...
Ed is an absolute JOKE (biggest of all time) here
Just remember who is gaining money and who isn't.
Yes Ed gains a lot of money from anti productive propaganda
The unnatural and unhealthy impossible and beyond meat industry is definitely gaining money from this false vegan fearmongering campaign. I wonder how much cut this earthing snowflake gets from those companies.
@@bharathvrao691 plus all the donations he receives from the vegans among the general public.
@@wolfpackpete6408 you mad bro xD
@@wolfpackpete6408 propaganda assumes manipulation. Can you give an example of manipulation from Ed?
ed is the best person to ever do this kind of work and we are so lucky to have him represent us in his calm, cool, collective manner :) we are so blessed
Just turned vegan three weeks ago
Congrats!
that's awesome mate
@@80slimshadys i see you on every vegan video, and vegan recipes. Hell yeah bro
Welcome!!!
Good luck on your journey :D
eating sheep is baaad
I would say eating cows is mmmmuch worse
Eating sheep and cow is a baaaaad mooooove.
@@dilz2012 hahaha XD
Ewe make a good point!
Eating Venison is also a bad iDeer!
That first callers comment she read out was so poetic, beautiful hahaha, the farmers face was priceless
Farmer: “methane reacts differently to carbon dioxide...”
Me: oh you mean that it is about 28 times more effective at trapping infra-red radiation(heat)? 🤦♀️
Farmer: “methane is only present in the atmosphere for 4-10 yrs...”
Me: “yes then it oxidises and turns into...... um Carbon dioxide and water you muppet!🤦♀️
Nick Jovanov lol “you muppet” 😂
It also means that reducing methane is more effective than reducing CO2, because we'll see the benefits of reducing it much sooner.
You guys clearly never took a soils class ik college huh? Grazing animals the right way is carbon negative.
@@ryanm7615 Any solid data for this? (Ideally proper official data like meta-analysis/systematic reviews etc.)
@@josephdavey2342 yes multiple. Plenty of evidence out there. Allan savory is a good source. You guys live in a confirmation bias bubble tho
I'd like to see Ed and Ben Shapiro in one room.
Abel Abel well It’d be fun seeing him rage cuz he has no dumb ”arguments” left to use🥴🥴
@Abel Abel ok moron
@@ryanhack8755 Ben is grear debating students on topics like gender, race and other socio-economic notions. But not veganism, religion, abortion. And the fact that he pratice religion.
He only likes debating younger uni students who don’t know how to articulate their views. He gets into shambles against someone who actually knows what they’re talking about
I would love to see that, i may not agree with ben on many things, but he is an amazing debater. These two in a debate would be very interesting
Very civil discussion. Great work!
That sheep guy got a lot more talking time than Ed did tho!! :/
I found it really dull and boring. No color or deviation or any passion whatsoever on their voices besides Ed's. Cold and emotionless discussion for a heated and controversial subject such as this.
@@drivingbro says who are still living in stone age
www.cowspiracy.com/facts/
No one is saying that animal agriculture is the leading cause of greenhouse gas emissions but
Its *one of the largest* greenhouse gas emitter in the world
@@drivingbro you got a source for that?
Didn't expect to see you here, Steven! What a nice surprise!
Ed didn't even need to be there. The comments she read were pure savage by themselves.
yeah and she just let the sheep farmer speak more. It gave me the feeling that she was more on his opinion.
I love how eye opening your videos are ed. Keep up the good work bro
thank you so much :)
Well done yet again mate, always such competent balance 🙏👌
I hope Ed never gets burnt out from fighting. He is so good at spreading info and debating.
Don't worry, he's adequately rewarded
@@mhl8396
5-6 years later?
IT'S SO AWESOME VEGANISM IS DISCUSSED SO MUCH IN MAINSTREAM MEDIA!!!!
Comedy has it place
Its an industry disrupting Mega Trend. Just list the electrification of transport.
Horrible comedy shouldn’t be in mainstream media
yet it's really sad how brief the debates on radio/tv are.. totally worthless in my opinion, except for giving people a general idea to research on their own..
it's ironic because the reason it's happening is usually because farmers are trying to prevent it, but then that sparks conversation like it does here and they end up shooting themselves in the foot lmao
End speciesism! Glad it got a mention on the clip
TheDonegalZeus I assume that you don't eat any plants and only eat fruits. You surely wouldn't end the life of a member of another species just to satisfy your hunger...
Gosh, all I can think of while watching this is how embarrassing this program would be on American news. Screaming over each other, crazy graphics, mocking the other side, ZERO evidence, science or reference to studies... I'm jelly of your UK television guys!
Guess you haven't seen Piers Morgan. lol
Pretty sure the UK has programs like that..
@@HunterBelkiran no not really - only th eopera type programs - all about nutty humans
Ed is particularly good
I gave up watching news programs like this kind of a while ago, for exactly this reason. I've heard from many friends and peers that it's only gotten worse. :/
You always manage to stay so calm! You're the perfect person to act as a voice for animals. Thank you!
4:35 This exchange is gold. That framer's face XD Edit: such a short segment though, I wanted this to go on....
😂
Ed: Meat is bad for your health.
Farmer: Yes, but if you bury it under a bunch of vegetables, it all balances-out.
Just like the blue zones and Mediterranean diets. Considered to be the healthiest in the world. They eat lots of vegetables and not as much animal products. Though animal products still make up part of the healthiest diets in the world
HUmaNs have been eating MEAT for Thousands of yEars.
@@AncientMorbidity1991 HUmaNs have also been murdering and raping each other for Thousands of yEars, that doesn't mean it's good and that we need to eat meat, just because we've been doing it for ages.
@@anapolukarova3512Your comparing eating food to rape you dumbass. Your irrelevant and eating meat is a way of life rape isn't bud incase you don't know. Maybe we should turn carnivorous animals vegan but meat eating is here to stay get over yourself already.
@MegaVegan
A similar argument could be made:
Carnist: Plant diet is bad for your health
.
Vegan: Yes, but if you add B12 supplements it all balances out. Meat gives you high cholesterol.
Carnist: Yes, but if you add plant sterol margarine it all balances out
.
@@AncientMorbidity1991
Technically cows are raped (read: artificial insemination via human hand into cow's vagina) to make them pregnant so they lactate and produce milk. But I suppose you'll say oh no that's not rape because animals don't need to consent to having things stuck in their genitals, in which case I'd ask why then would bestiality be wrong? If I want to have sex with my animals and they struggle a bit, that's fine, because I don't need their consent. And of course I'm allowed to stab them with a knife too, so I can certainly stab them with a penis. Oh but then you'll say stabbing with a knife is different because they are unconscious when that happens. Well firstly there is a single digit percentage error margin for stunning during the slaughter process, which due to the large number of animals killed (~2000 cows per second globally) adds up to a lot of unstunned slaughter. And if animals need to be unconscious when killed, then that means you recognise that animals' experience of pain is somehow profound and meaningful, in which case the same could be true of their experience of pleasure, which they are being deprived of. Or I could just render my animals unconscious before having sex with them. Ask yourself: what's true of an animal which if true of a person would justify eating a person.
Love you Earthling Ed thank you for your calm approach to this very sad topic. You are amazing and you have thousands of people who support you and whos lives you have changed myself included💕 Take care of yourself keep fighting the good fight and much love to you💕
The farmer says it's everybody's right to choose what to eat,shouldn't the sheep have a right to life???
Well should wild animals such as bird, mice and deer have to right to eat the crops in the field, no they are shot or poisoned so you are able to get your food. And you dont even think about it, this shows how much understanding to have with the chooses that you make.
@@jamesgalloway6136 wild animals eat to survive, farmers farm for profit.
@@jamesgalloway6136 First off, veganism is about reducing as much harm as POSSIBLE. It's not perfect, but it's good. Besides, how many animals (except the ones that are slaughtered.) aren't killed for the crops that the animals eat, that could go directly to humans?
@Doomsday Does your dog deserve the right to life? Would you cry like a wittle baby if I smashes its head it?
@Doomsday Babies can't grasp the concept of rights. I guess we should kill babies then, by your logic?
You amaze me, Ed, in your ability to speak so clearly & calmly & effectively. Love you!
Because most vegans are emotional wrecks, because their diet isnt giving them enough nutrition to think clearly so they just get angry instead and shout SHAME!
@@zain4019 No, you misread, they shout: "shame". It's not a SHAME they shout ;)
@@zain4019 and yes killing cows does help me, and killing critters and bugs helps you (assuming your a vegan)... to each their own
Jacob Johnson
“To each their own” is what people say when they don’t want to change. It’s a statement used to justify their harmful actions and internally alleviate moral incongruities.
If you’re homophobic and desire to kill gays, well, “I can do whatever I want”. If someone identifies with traditional, misogynistic ideas, then it’s “to each their own, don’t tell me I have to change”. If someone wants to viciously spank or beat their child, then it’s “don’t tell ME what to do in my house or with my child”.
It carries no weight and is simply used to justify often violent, harmful ends. The truth is, yes, technically, you can do atrocious things. You *can*. Anyone can. That doesn’t mean you should, or that it’s right.
@@zain4019 nice speech, but if you're vegan and are causing immense suffering to animals and bugs, then point the finger at animal eaters and say their morally incongruent, then I advise you to open up to the possibility that the one that needs to change is you.
Also, to comment on your irrelevant points, I dont think indecent desire should be punished, but the actions should. Yes, just because you can doesnt mean you should but people dont eat meat because they can, they do it because it keeps them well.
Notice the same old “it’s natural, it’s nutrition, it’s normal”
eating meat is natural. eating meat is nutritional. eating meat is normal.
@@andynosretep007 appeal to nature fallacy, can be obtained alternatively with lesser western diseases, culturally arbitrary.
@@Situayo I am just here to say to people that are followers of earthling ed, that most of his beliefs are based on firstly his feelings and then on some research he has supposedly read.
Humans are omnivores, we eat meat. this is not a fallacy. Mr ed has spent a few years on earth and likes his hamster, then reads some papers then tells you that you shouldnt eat meat.
We should really be not only skeptical maybe even dismissive. To encourage people to stop eating animal products, you need come up with really strong evidences as to why they shouldnt.
It may even be true that moving to a more plant based diet may be the right next step, but frankly there isnt nearly enough evidence to suggest that its the right step.
A lot of these activism is not really evidence or fact based. its just people trying to feel good about themselves and to tell themselves that they are changing the world.
@@andynosretep007 A common justification for eating animals is the statement, “Humans are omnivores.” Yet, being biologically omnivorous neither compels us to eat animal products nor erases our moral obligation to minimize the harm that results from our food choices. Aside from the long-standing debate over whether humans are natural herbivores or true omnivores, if, for the sake of argument, we accept the widely-held view that humans are omnivores, this still does not change the fact that we can easily get all of our nutrients from a plant-based diet. And most of us have access to a wide range of delicious plant-based foods. Vitamin B12, the only nutrient vegans need to be vigilant about supplementing, is inexpensive and is also recommended in supplement form for non-vegans, who are equally prone to deficiencies. More on vegans and B12 here.
In discussions, the statement “humans are omnivores” is often used to suggest that eating animals- more specifically, breeding and raising billions of animals for slaughter- is somehow morally neutral. But we can easily see why this betrays our ethics by looking at the following hypothetical scenario. Imagine applying this line of reasoning to some other human behavior we want to justify. For example, using this line of reasoning, a man defends killing his wife on the basis that “humans are natural murderers,” arguing that we have a natural capacity for, and a long history of, murdering. But of course we would never justify such violent acts as murder, rape or torture as morally acceptable simply because these behaviors can be said to come naturally to us. And, yet, all of these violent practices are systematically carried out against other animals to turn them into food products for our enjoyment.
So what does it actually meant to be an omnivore?
The statement “humans are omnivores” is all too often used as a smoke screen to blur the important distinctions between omnivores and carnivores, suggesting that our killing and eating of animals is as natural and necessaery as it is for, say, lions and tigers and other obligate carnivores who eat other animals for reasons of survival. But being an omnivore simply means that we are capable of obtaining nutrients from both plant and animal matter, not that we must eat animals. And yet the popular characterization of omnivorism asserts that a sensible omnivore eats at least some meat, dairy or eggs on a regular basis as part of balanced, everything-in-moderation diet. But in fact being a human omnivore in contemporary times simply means we have the luxury of choosing from plant-based foods and animal-based foods. And since all the nutrients we need can be obtained from plant foods, there is no justification for the pointless violence and suffering that underpin eating animal foods, particularly when we could so easily avoid it.
Our closest primate relatives, chimpanzees, are also considered omnivores. Yet despite the fact that chimpanzees have huge, pointed canine teeth, the flesh of other animals is only a marginal part of their diet. Dale Peterson, who has studied chimps extensively in their natural habitat, explained to us in an interview that chimps, if given the opportunity to satisfy their hunger with exclusively plant-based sources, might very well ponder the morality of eating other animals. But even if they didn’t, the energy expended to kill animals for food is far greater than that used in eating plants, which may partially explain why other animals are but a small part of the chimps’ diet.
Sorting through nutritional myths
Unlike biological carnivores, we will not get sick or die from malnutrition if we stop eating dairy, eggs and flesh products. On the other hand, if we stop eating plant foods, we will likely become malnourished. On both a physical and psychological level, humans can thrive on a plant-based diet. Even many famous athletes perform at their peak on plant-based diets. And replacing animal foods with plant foods does not mean we are going against our biology, which is a popular view today. While statistics on the size of the global vegan population are sparse, there are estimated to be millions of vegans in the U.S. alone, and there is ample evidence of healthy populations of people all over the world who traditionally consume little to no animal products. The leading health authorities in the U.S., U.K., Canada and Australia all confirm that well-planned vegan diets are a safe, healthy and viable option for all age groups.
@@professionaltaxevader4638 lol, you feel threatend in your autonomy by some youtube posts?
Wow. That went really well. The farmer thoroughly embarrassed himself and Ed maintained an calm demeanor and presented clear facts from reputable sources. I wish it would have went on for longer.
YeahTrip4 What?! That was just a series of appeal to authority from Ed. In what way did the farmer embarrass himself?
YeahTrip4 the farmer owned ed
URBAN ASSAULT u again? Go away ya donkey
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Ed man you killed it well done. I like how you brought it back into the ethics. The interviewer also conducted this very well.
Oh Ed, you should deliver seminars on how to keep chill when stubborn people attack you with lies 😹
Just focus on your final goal
He has a book, that helps debunk all the excuses. Confidence comes with practice.
And when you also have 7mins only to defend the animals 😩😥
@@henryg3313 you are an idiot! Not once did he say that animals should have the same rights as humans. He merely said that they deserve the same right TO LIVE and not be slaughtered to satisfy man's greed and pleasure. We do not need meat for survival, on the contrary people thrive on plant based diets as the medical literature shows, and a vegan diet has been proven to be an adequate diet for all stages of life and even athletes according to the statement of the american association of nutrition and dietetics that was recently released. People who eat plant based have a significantly lower carbon footprint and cause much less suffering and death to other forms of life, so yeah it is a more ethical way to live, no one is claiming to be a saint... You think the vegans are the ones who are brainwashed when only 1% of the population is vegan, and we are constantly bombarded by ads and the media with animal products? You are an uneducated moron...
@@henryg3313 You can't refute any of his arguments because you are just not smart or educated enough to do so, so you proceed on attacking his looks... Yeah that's mature... What are you, 12?
The farmer spoke about sheep as if they were products and not living sentient beings....Coincidentally, my other half told me yesterday that in a field he passes every day their were lots of young lambs and it's only January. Well done Ed...Freda
5:15 Ed: *“I’m about to end this man’s whole career just watch”*
“People naturally eat meat but just be honest about where it comes from: pain and terror” “how do you respond?”
“Sheep are amazing renewable technology”
I'm honest. They taste great.
@@johnnypenso9574 100% they do. So does chicken. I can say that even though I'm vegan. Doesn't justify it though.
@@rikab4640 How do you justify clearcutting to grow crops? Pesticides and herbicides? Tens of millions of animals slaughter in the blades of.combines and harvesters. Millions of nuisance critters killed every year? Pesticide and herbicides runoff into rivers and streams and leaching into the water table? Nectarines, bananas, grapes, peaches, kiwi, etc. flown thousands of miles in the winter to hungry Americans and Canadians? I could go on...and on. ..and on...
@@johnnypenso9574 unfortunately I am not educated on this part. However I dislike the pesticides used on crops which is why i grow my own or get them from neighbours (I live in the mountains in Spain...we all have an abundance of veggies fruits and legumes)
Don't clock me for something you do t give a shit about anyway...
Ed: 1
Farmer: 0
80 Slim Shady's 😂😂😂👍😊
80 Slim Shady's for me they are HARMERS
Helpless
Animals
Raped
Mutilated
Excruciated
Ruthlessly
Slaughtered
👩🏻💻
@@MayIPleaseAskYou you're not wrong
That's one of the creepiest farmers ever.....he obviously doesn't have a grain of conscience for the innocent sentient individuals whom he is killing merely for profits.
How can we tell.......just listen to the language he uses to describe the needless commodification and violence he's subjecting all the animals to.
@Doomsday
Do you wish me to be dead?
@Doomsday
You mistake me for someone who cares about your warped opinions, cupcake.
4:32
I am a carnivore but I think you talked me into going plant based. It sounds much more ethical.
How is it going have you been able to make some change bro?
I puke every time these farmers say "quality meat" or "quality source of protein"...
Id go see a doctor
Jacob Johnson Jacob you aren’t funny, but I am.
@sucks to be you sheep and lamb. that's what they are, they're not products.
@@aynakoitzjose yes they are
Satsuma 5:15
At 3min 40 sec sheep farmer says "methane has this cyclin thing". Ed, a few seconds previously refers to references from The Lancet, The UN, Oxford Uni, Harvard, Nature Journal, Science Journal; Sheep farmer says that "a lot of that science is flawed"
Dyan Ankrett The Lancet is a medical journal. What would they know about the science of climate.
These programs aren't long enough to hold such a debate, didn't feel nearly complete. But it is something nonetheless. Nice work Ed!
He describes sheep as "technology", a tool to be used. Imagine if he referred to dogs or cats as technology.
I can’t imagine how annoying it must be to be cut off when you finally have a chance to speak your main point
Saw the quote in the title, just about sums up the disgusting attitudes of a lot of people. It doesn’t matter if they are being produced naturally, we should not be murdering them! I’m doing veganuary but plan to carry on afterwards after I have learnt more over the last few days, particularly from your videos, thanks Ed
That's amazing!! Good work mate
Awesome! We need more good people in the world who align their ethics with their actions!
That's wonderful! Have you heard of Challenge22? It's a vegan group through facebook and it's completely free. There are mentors and certified dieticians and they'll be more than happy to help you with whatever you need, any questions you have. They'll give you recipes too. It's a great resource 😄
Here's the link: www.challenge22.com/challenge22/
Amazing! I believe you can do it!
@@FieldOfFireflies thanks
His claim just tells you that he puts profit over welfare, I know that man doesn't care for his sheep.. he comes off as creepy, something in that man's eyes.. :/ Ed is always right!
Yes, I agree with you about the eyes.
Keep it up Ed! 🙂 so glad we have brave activists like you in our community.
neville oreilly what about the trees that are cut down to grow veggie crops? what about the insects you kill by stepping on them? just because there's no such thing as the perfect vegan, does that mean we shouldn't do anything at all? or should we reduce the suffering in the world as much as we CAN reduce it?
@@mayganphynix8267
It's OK - Nev's pathetic carnist rationalisations got destroyed in another thread
:)
Changeling9au haha awesome. 🙌
Being Vegan can help end world hunger 🌱💕 FACTS. Choose Compassion over cruelty, Always.
How dare this cretin say he loves sheep then in the same breath call these sentient beings "renewable technology". Someone should make a renewable technology out if him so that he could also feel loved the same way as he "loves" his sheep.
They hardly let you speak but well done, Ed.
Its just a very short program so they try and make it equal on both sides.
@@morphkogan8627 It was hardly equal. The farmer got to speak when he wanted to and got to finish all his statements - while Ed on the other hand was told when to speak and got cut off numerous times.
@@LevelheadedWilliamNatalie If anything, the farmer's endless babble only strengthened Ed's arguments LOL
This is the case with so many vegan interviews the media don’t wanna let people hear the truth!
Noticed that as well. It annoyed me so much!
Ed you bring so much progress and hope to the world, thank you💛💛💛
Vegan is the way to go!
Felicia Ridde Heck yeah!
Felicia Ridde IT IS
for you maybe..not me and the majority of the world !
@@crocfixio I understand, but think of all the plant milks and meats readily available to us nowadays! 😍 Have you tried any? Like the Impossible Burger or the Beyond Meat Burger? They look and taste very much like meat, but without all the horrible cruelty that goes into animal meat
@@felicianord9124
no i dont eat fake meat. the real one is a lot better.
Omg, that sheep farmer's face is worth an Oscar changing from smiling to realizing around 4:40-4:48 😅
When he is faced with the fact that love does not comprise murder 😅
It was shock faced with such a ridiculous question
Thanks for sharing this, didn't get to watch this live sadly. I also appreciate this was a civil debate between you both and even the presenter felt neutral.
#FALDCNET
Facts and logic destroy carnist nonsense every time
Via Louis Gedo
#EST
Also via Louis Gedo
:)
It really deserves to be highlighted how effectively the use of facts and references shut down this sheep farmer's arguments. Airtight, Ed!
@Doomsday And that's why we so love him.
certainty and coherence liquidate carnist prattle each occasion
In Canada, our food guide has changed! Yeah! More fruit and veggies, drinking water, not milk, and eating less meat!! Its a start ...
@siwuz84 hello little troll! Nice to see you come out from under your bridge. Though, your input isn't needed so just crawl back down there xx
Simply Plant Food Yeah, that’s awesome. Canada is growing into something great
Great job Canada! Wish Australia would go the same way
@siwuz84 please send a picture of you along with a recent blood test so we can discuss your health superiority xx
@siwuz84 hahahah this is an old photo prior to vegan days and......well...you do know that skin looks white in full sunlight right ? Also im pale. Always been. But thx mate
Well done Ed!
Thank you Ed ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️ you are the CHANGE ❤️May you always have peace on thoughts, peace on your words and peace on your heart
I just don’t understand. If there is a ~chance~ that something could help save our earth from a catastrophic temperature change, improve our health, increase our lifespan, and minimize abuse of animals and humans all at the same time, why would there be any arguments not to? I mean, not consuming animal products has way more potential benefits than the drawback (animal farmers and meat processing factory workers having to find different careers) there will always be different careers, but we only have this one planet and right now to make a difference.
There is no way somebody could win a debate against Ed about animal rights and veganism :)
There just not putting the right people in front of him, nobody has the time to speech to freaks like Ed.
@@jamesgalloway6136
1. Elaborate why he is a freak
2. Give examples of people apt to debate agains't ed
3. Give arguments agains't what Ed said.
@@jamesgalloway6136 I bet you wish you had an intellectual freak like Ed speaking for your side eh?
Fucking look at Ed
James Galloway... personally attacking Ed because you have no argument?
Nearly everyone uploading today. PBN, Ed, Joey, Jordan, Freelee, HHV, Goji, Livekindly, Peta of course, James was yday but still...is this a vegan tuesday?
Vegan all day everyday
It's the last week of veganuary. It's probably to encourage people to continue on.
Also the happy pear and Avantgarde vegan ;D
@@Z0MBIEPIGMAN I even saw Avantgarde in my recommends, but he seems more veg-cooking-focused which doesn't interest me
It's so refreshing to see how calm you are during these debates. There's usually a lot of anger and hate in debates like these
Ed I"m so proud of you for getting on the show to even begin with. You are truly fighting for our animal friends, and we all appreciate it. So glad to see your platform growing.
Ed, I went vegan over a year ago after watching your videos and then Earthlings. You were the best and strongest role model and influence I could ever have come across then, and I still feel the same admiration every time I watch your videos, especially debates. Your arguments are so based on logic, and your style is fantastic. Your arguments cannot be refuted purely because of how logically you present them. Keep up the amazing work, and thank you for everything that you do 💚
Fantastic Ed well done, fact after fact, every time I watch these the arguments back are child like nonsense
I know right!!! :)
That Farmer didn't bring 1 single proof to back up any claims that he brought up.
Yes Ed, keep on calmly dismantling these meat eaters with FACTS
Earthling Ed TEARS sheep farmer APART by FACTS and LOGIC!
Hold this L
@@henryg3313 factory farming is the natural evolution of regular farming to feed massive populations. That's the whole point, if it isnt abolished, any farming operation with enough demand will simply grow into this nightmare again. Let's be real, the world is not going to unanimously agree to limit meat intake to the point where classical farming can be sustainable. It's impossible. And factory farming is the main driving force behind so many environmental hazards. It has to go, if you truly wish the best for your children and future generations after them, then please find it in you to think twice about this topic. Bad habits die hard, we are all living through another fine, historical example of this factual observation.
Facts, what facts?
Let's get something right. There's real facts and there's vegan facts.
This video made me go from a $1 patreon to a $5 patreon.
The work you're doing is incredible. Love from Germany.
2:43 Why does he seem to think factory farming has been around for thousands of years? There is nothing natural about the current meat industry that has changed so radically in the last hundred years
Do you love your sheep? "They are a good source of protein" WFT?!
Blair Waldorf
Cognitive dissonance 😆
I enjoy to be vegan because of no having this. 🥑🧡🥦😍👍🏾
@@lita0124 You think no animals are killed on farms growing your grains and vegetables? What do you think happens to animals that get caught under the harvester? What do you think happens to a animals that happen to be in the area when pesticides are sprayed? What do you think happens in rivers and fields where fertilizer runs off? What do you think farmers do to crop eating animals nearby? Do you know how pesticides and herbicides are made and what they are made from? What kind of fuel do you think those giant harvesters and plow tractors are running on?
@Jesse Hoffman no: just look up wool at peta (or somewhere else) and you see it's cruel. As a vegan you take nothing which isn't yours... wool included
@Jesse Hoffman in the end you have to decide it for your own... what you can take the responsibility for. You have to look on the other hand, if we wouldn't pet these animals... what would happen to them?
@@frankapohl3948 If you didn't raise sheep and sheer them and eventually eat them, they would never exist in the first place. So if they are killed humanely and instantly, is it better to live for a while or to never live at all?
"I love this animal!"
*proceeds to kill animal to eat/sell it's body parts when plants can be eaten instead*
logic.
I'm not saying your wrong its perspective the idea of utilizing something for needs that fit survival can be viewed the way he has presented it ..I love marijuana but I burn it in all reality which i think is beautiful
@@EverythingJeremy That's not love tho. To say you love marijuana is hyperbolic, because that isn't real love like you can have for a friend for example. When people say you can't love animals and eat them too, they're talking about real love.
Also, marijuana isn't sentient. The proper analogy is to say it's possible to love your baby and eat it too. Do you think that is real love?
@@EverythingJeremy you dont love the marijuana my friend, you love the high.
wanna know what. i love sheep as well. on my plate it is
@@jager3572 you love the taste, not the animals.
Those emails were awesome he was roasted haha
There are also other renewable technologies which do not feel pain and which do not suffer.
I'd prefer those.
DANG, Ed. You have a great way of acknowledging a non-vegans perspective and debunking with calm facts. That’s a rare skill. 🤟🏽
Thank you so much for everything you’re doing Ed!
I’m a holistic nutritionist: MEAT IS NOT HEALTHY - especially w/the way the animals are raised. There is a reason for the saying “If slaughterhouses had glass walls, we’d all be vegan. It’s disgustingly unsanitary: animals LIVE in their own filth their whole - short lives. Most get sick/infections so they’re ALL given antibiotics. ALL OF THEM except organic. So if you’re eating non-organic meat you are ingesting antibiotics every time you eat it. Then, when you really need the antibiotics, like for pneumonia or an ear infection or another bacterial infection you will be antibiotic resistant. Some of the animals die before they’re slaughtered, & are just left there w/the other animals - it’s horrifying! Right now, in 2019, The rate of cancer is at epidemic proportions. One out of two men and one out of three women will be diagnosed with cancer in their lifetime. Cancer is caused by two things nutritional deficiency & toxicity. I lost 2 friends to heart attacks (in their 40’s) in 2016 & 2017, one to pneumonia in 2015 (he was 45 - antibiotic resistant) & my brother to cancer last year 😢 My friends mom died in her mid 50’s of an ear infection - antibiotic resistant. Another friend almost died of an ear infection - antibiotic resistant. ALL were heavy meat eaters. I went Whole Food Plant based 4 years ago next month - i got down to my high school weight at 47, my doctor said my blood work looks like I’m in my early 20’s & I haven’t been sick since. I have more energy than friends in their late 30’s! We don’t need meat. Try it for 30 days - you will not believe the difference in how you feel. Check out these people for quick, delicious & EZ recipes: TH-cam: Rawvana, Fully raw Kristina (best raw ranch dressing! 😋), The raw boy. On Insta: Plantproof, Rawrawrawfood, vegan bowls, raw and free. Maybe you don’t believe it, or maybe you just don’t want to believe it - which is fair, as food is made to be highly addictive. But what if I’m right? What if earthling Ed is right? Do you really want to take a chance with your life for five minutes of pleasure? There are DELICIOUS vegan burgers, vegan meatballs, vegan cheese (the brand “So delicious” Mozzarella or cheddar - yummy!) - vegan anything! And the difference in your health - you have to try it to believe it. P.S. for proof regarding the slaughter houses, you can watch earthlings on TH-cam for free
Theres good reason why in the US only theres approximately 60 million grastointestinal infections resulting in diarrhoe every year.
Its due to disgusting bacteria in the flesh which if not cooked well gives you disgusting diseases.
WTF is a holistic nutritionist? Do you consider ALL foods?
Totally agree but this vegan substitute products kill you just as fast if not faster. Might as well stick to raw vegetables and fruit
jeremybolton boltonjay2097 I agree! Processed vegan foods are TERRIBLE! They cause just as much damage as processed animal foods. After being vegan for a year, I had bloodwork done and was shocked to discover that my inflammation and thyroid antibodies actually were REALLY high. Why? Because if I was out and about shopping or going on day trips, vegan food was really difficult to find around here (Midwest). I literally ate French fries or potato chips in my quest to stay vegan. I tried vegan mock meats. Basically, I ate vegan junk food. Not all the time, but apparently it was enough to make my health worse than when I was a meat eater. Only eating fresh, whole fruits and vegetables is the only way to benefit from the vegan diet.
Dont worry I still wouldn't be
Vegan since the summer!
Merry Lake Wonderful! Keep going! ❤️
How you feeling mate the teeth falling out you getting cold maybe some bowel movements problems you're shiting yourself if not wait a couple of years more it's all coming to you you idiot
Jantje Safari what the hell, I feel fine! Did you try veganism and feel like this? If so, I’m sorry that must have been hard but maybe you weren’t getting everything you needed.
you are going to die, you need meat in your diet. you are not going to survive more than 2 months.
@@Serendipity-gj2me Vegan since last August! 😄🐾🍇🌿
Wow, they barely let you talk. Yet you were able to give so much scientifically backed up information, bravo!
3:03 - Ed clearly says that the destruction of our habitable Earth in agriculture is more than just methane and the farmer says "methane isn't that bad..." WTF? Ed wasn't talking about methane so why say methane isn't bad?
Well done ED,you remain so composed in these situations.Another wonderful performance,thank you from Brasil.
I love how calm you are while still backing up your point! So many people are so brainwashed these days. Love this, Ed!
I hate that she stopped Ed at the start when he wasn't done
Fixed mindset from the farmer, he does not see the sheep as setient beings, but things that developed into 'good protein etc'
God, if I could remember the amount of facts, studies and sources as Ed, I'd be delighted.
Literally one of my life goals, if I can be this smart and educated then I've won the game of life lmfao
Meat is healthy. Look at this farmer ! Soooo healthy lol
@Southy you must be half blind then
@Southy I dont know where you are looking at ? The young guy is Ed, not this half dead looking person on the right. If you really think this guy looks more healthy than Ed you clearly need more B12 supplemented meat.
Is a beard and long hair now a sign of sickness ?
@Southy Ok, so being not fat is unhealthy, looking like a hippy is unhealty.... new perspectives. Whoever thinks the guy on the right looks more healthy than Ed is living on another planet... maybe a flat earth ?
Southy ED is " HOT "with a normal BMI, unlike yours. Meat eaters always sound child like when defending
murder...... Don't argue with people that spent decades researching scientific proof !! Truth doesn't go away☝️
I'm sick of overweight meat eaters thinking it's cool to look like a cow or a pig. Human animals, are meant to
be long and slender. GET A LIFE.
Eni dude just ignore this southy guy, he does nothing but spew his absolute FACTS such as - we did dis for years i am science. There's no point arguing with this guy as fighting against reason seems to be the only hobby he has. I askes this guy to tell me some of his FACTS that will instantly make any vegan a non vegan again and his only response was "Oh you're too biased" and nothing else, no FACTS.
Fantastic 🙌 Ed you are my no 1 role model and helped me make the transition from vegetarian to veganism one year ago. Thank you and thank you for continuing to speak up for the most vulnerable and voiceless of all. 🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌 I hope to see a world full of compassion towards all beings in my lifetime.
Just became vegan last month, the only thing I am struggling with is egg. I had no problem dropping meat and milk cause I never really liked it. Any substitute for eggs will be appreciated. Thank you.
Some people say that scrambled tofu with a bit of black salt (the kind from India) is a good egg substitute at breakfast. I've never tried it, but there are some good demos on youtube. There's also a liquid substitute (vegan) called Follow Your Heart brand.
Sorry theres no hen period substitute in veganism
Not sure about egg on its own, but a lot of war time recipes are eggless for cakes etc. My mum has a lot of wartime recipes books, so she’s always finding vegan recipes in them ☺️
For baking you can use one tablespoon of applesauce or chia seeds. Scrambled tofu with kala namak (black salt) tastes like egg. :)
Chiamaka Maduagwu It depends what you want from eggs. Black salt is the key ingredient for the eggy sulphurous flavour. You can also add a little nutritional yeast. Chickpea water (Aquafaba) and sugar can be whisked into meringue. I’ve made mayo, scotch eggs, scrambled eggs, cakes, yorkshire pudding, lemon meringue and eggs benedict without using eggs or dairy. Recipes abound on you tube.
Time Ed is speaking:
1:24 - 2:09 (45s)
2:44 - 3:10 (26s)
3:18 - 3:22 (4s)
5:22 - 5:25 (3s)
5:41 - 6:05 (24s)
6:31 - 6:49 (18s)
Total of 120 seconds
Time sheep farmer is speaking:
0:37 - 1:08 (31s)
1:13 - 1:24 (11s)
2:11 - 2:43 (32s)
3:10 - 3:18 (8s)
3:22 - 4:02 (40s)
3:39 - 4:41 (2s)
4:52 - 5:22 (30s)
5:25 - 5:41 (16s)
6:05 - 6:07 (2s)
6:10 - 6:31 (21s)
6:49 - 7:11 (22s)
Total of 215 seconds
It definitely felt to me that the conversation was being pushed in favour of the farmer :/ I think as well people interpret Ed’s passion sometimes as aggression, sadly
I love how calm he always is!! You are an inspiration Ed!
I wish you‘d talk to Piers Morgan bro
he'd just yell over him about bread
YES!!
Well done Ed. Well supported evidence and intelligent argument won this one for the animals.
It hasn't turned me vegan
Considering the fact they just killed WILD cows in national parks whoever is behind this 'eat fake meat' agenda DOESN'T care about animals.
They want to manipulate animal DNA and control the entire food chain/food supply. THAT'S what it's all about.
Being a vegan isn't going to to do anything to help animals because the multi billion dollar corporate agriculture companies are behind killing wild cattle and poisoning the food supply through tampering with animal and crop genetics and using harmful toxic chemicals on everything they produce.
Wow Ed, you are the man! Cool as a cucumber under pressure.
You owned that debate Ed! So much at stake and so much pressure, thank you for stepping up!
Absolutely love this discussion, very calm and mature.