12:00 - Not only that, Jews lived in Muslim majority lands for centuries, after Islamic armies came out of Arabia, in the 7th century CE, and conquered the Levant. In the Diaspora, Jews were regarded as 'Dhimmis' or second class citizens: merely tolerated, paying exorbitant taxes, living in ghettos, w/ many types of social and occupational restrictions and subject to the whims of the Muslim majority, on and off subjected to bouts of violence and massacres. This is historical fact, corroborated by Muslim history too. While it may be that in general the Jews had been slightly better treated when they were minorities among Muslim land, than the treatment they received in Christian Europe, this idea that 'Arabs and Jews lived in perfect harmony before Zionism' and that Jewish life in Muslim lands during the Diaspora was some type of 'Sunday afternoon in the park, picnic with coca cola and apple pie' is a complete fantasy, a total fabrication. That's why the idea of a 'One State Solution' will never work, because, Muslims would soon become a majority and history has shown that when they are a majority, everyone else is a second class citizen, most notably Jews. There is no historical precedent for a 'One State Solution'. At least not one where Jews are the minority.
Yeah “dhimmis” weren’t just Jewish, they were other religious minorities as well. But that’s not necessarily a thing of the past. Fatah members have floated the idea of bringing back the Jizya (tax for not being Muslim) on Christians. Don’t think it got very far, they’d be fools to try to institute now, but that it was even brought up is not good.
Correct, every non Muslim is regarded as second class citizen, Christians too of course, but I have a feeling, that while Jews and Christians would be barely tolerated as such as 'People of The Book', other faiths such as Buddhists, Hindus, as well as other esoteric and mystical Middle Eastern religious groups such as Zoroastrians, Yazidis, would fare even worse.As I recall the Taliban exploded those huge Buddha statues in Afghanistan and the Islamic State raped and killed Yazidis in Iraq id I'm no mistaken. And most of Zoroastrians were kicked out or fled Iran due to persecutions form Shia Muslims.@@dachshundsdogs4407
Thank you, Juliann & Quillette. I've learned so much about the Middle East conflict & war 'strategy ' in a relatively short span of time. Much appreciated.
Great stuff. Julian, you have a unique perspective and it was refreshing to hear it. I’m actually a doctor who did his residency at NYU Langone. Even though I’m in Minneapolis now, if I can be of any help with the polite and hopefully civil discussion you are planning to have with students, please let me know.
The amount of nonsense that Israel is accused of is awful. People use words they don't understand. *Apartheid?* The Apartheid is on the Arab side, not in Israel. In Israel there are 2 million Arab citizens (1.8 Muslim citizens) all with the same rights and benefits. How are Jews treated in the Arab world? Talk about Apartheid, there are less than 10,000 Jews total in all the Arab and Muslim countries in the Middle East, possibly the Arab world. Gaza and the West Bank are not Israel. They have their own governments, laws, taxes, schools, police, services. They are not Israeli citizens, but citizens of Hamas and the Palestinian Authority. If a Canadian or Mexican wants to vote in US elections, can they? No, because they are citizens of other lands. Can a Canadian or Mexican come across the border to the US without identifying themselves, or giving a valid reason for their travel? No, they must have ID, and state how long they plan to stay in the US and why they are coming into US territories. That is the same as Israel with the Palestinians. There is no Apartheid! *Genocide?* *_"The systematic and widespread extermination or attempted extermination or attempted extermination of a national, racial, religious, or ethnic group"_* There has Never been a genocide by Israel on anyone. The Palestinians killed as the result of wars that they started, are not victims of genocide. The millions killed in Japan when the US dropped atomic bombs in WW2 ars victims of genocide. The 1 million Armenian Christians murdered by the Turks are a genocide. The 800,000 Tutsi murdered in Rwanda are a genocide. People who were killed in wartime by warfare are not victims of genocide, unless specifically targeted for destruction, which Israel has never done. *Please buy a dictionary! Google is free!*
Of course there is apartheid in Israel and it has nothing to do with occupation of west bank or open air prison in Gaza strip. There are too many laws on the books in Israel to mention them all, which separate Israeli Muslims and Israeli Jews, making Muslims effectively 2nd class citizens, the hallmark of apartheid. As for genocide, there can't be any ethnic cleansing without a dash of genocide, otherwise it is impossible to cleanse the land of particular ethnicity and ethnic cleansing is basically constitutionalized in the making of a Jewish state. Maybe you should stop eating your hasbara information and enlighten yourself.
@@shainazion4073 1. The Jewish Nation-State Law One of Israel’s quasi-constitutional Basic Laws. Stipulates that the right to self-determination in Israel and the occupied Palestinian territories “is unique to the Jewish people” and encourages racial segregation and discrimination against Palestinians in housing by directing the state to promote the “development of Jewish settlement as a national value.” 2. The Law of “Return” Gives Jews from anywhere in the world the right to immigrate to Israel and the occupied Palestinian territories and to automatically receive Israeli citizenship. At the same time, Israel denies indigenous Palestinians who were expelled during and after Israel’s establishment their legal right to return to their homeland because they aren’t Jewish and treats Palestinian citizens of the state, who comprise more than 20% of Israel’s population, as second-class citizens. 3. The Admissions Committee Law Authorizes hundreds of smaller towns to set up “admissions committees” to reject applications from Palestinians, LGBTQ people, and others deemed undesirable using criteria such as being “unsuitable to the social life of the community… or the social and cultural fabric of the town.” 4. Absentee Property Law and Land Acquisition Law Allows Israel’s government to expropriate land and other property belonging to Palestinians who were driven from their homes during the state’s establishment. The primary tool used by Israel to steal huge amounts of land and private property from Palestinians who were expelled and denied their right to return, including many internally displaced within Israel’s borders. 5. Israel Lands Law Another of Israel’s quasi-constitutional Basic Laws. Stipulates that ownership of state lands can only be transferred between the government and quasi-governmental agencies like the Jewish National Fund, which only leases land to Jews. Ninety-three percent of the land in Israel is state owned. Israel's discriminatory land policies make it extremely difficult for Palestinians with Israeli citizenship to gain access to land for residential, commercial, agricultural, or other uses. 6. The Citizenship and Entry into Israel Law Prevents Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza who are married to Palestinian citizens of Israel from gaining residency or citizenship status, including those who were expelled from towns inside what became Israel in 1948. Forces thousands of Palestinian citizens of Israel to leave the country or live apart from their spouses and families. 7. The Nakba Law Bans public funding for institutions and organizations involved in commemorating the violent expulsion of three quarters of all Palestinians during Israel’s establishment as a Jewish-majority state in 1948, known to Palestinians as the “Nakba”
@@micixduda 1) The Nation State Law, is not law in Palestinian Territories, the Palestinian Territories are governed by Fatah, not Israel. Your lie in even calling them as occupied? *Please explain who they are occupied from?* ▪︎ The former Ottoman lands? ▪︎ The expired British Mandate lands? ▪︎ The illegally annexed Jordanian land? ▪︎ The colonized Egyptian land in Gaza? ▪︎ The land won by Israel from Jordan and Egypt in a defensive war? *So, who is the land occupied from?* So, saying that Ireland is the state of the Irish is unlawful? That Saudi Arabia is the land of Saudi Arabians is unlawful? That this is racism in all the countries that have similar laws? In 1948, Israel was declared as a Jewish State, its primary mission is to be a safe haven for the worlds 14 million Jews.
@@micixduda 2) The law of Return, does not effect any Arabs as citizens of Israel, it affects people looking to become Israeli citizens. There are many of the world's countries that specify that their own ethnicity or nationalities are allowed preference above foreign people looking to gain citizenship from their lands. This is not unique to Israel. Laws of Return are in Armenia, Austria, Finland, France, Germany, Ghana, Greece, Hungary, Ireland, Latvia, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Russian Federation, Spain. So are all these countries wrong in allowing people of their own ancestral origin as citizens before outsiders?
Quillette "it's not a real genocide" It's not it really isn't. trust me. Quillette go full spectrum post-modernist Baudrillard It's not, it's all fine. look somewhere else (even though Israel's response is international recognized as a genocide.) what's a few thousand kids between friends, hey!
@@mrharpable whataboutism. Gaza has been ignored by the world for 10years. It's once again in the spotlight. for the only response is to say "look over there" shows a deep indifference to human life . To support Israel at this moment in time is like support Pinochet's Chile, america's war on the Vietcong or the British brutality in Ireland. are you seriously calling 8 people being killed a genocide? Absurdity on Absurdity.
Well done Zoe (and to Quillette) for a genuine attempt at presenting an un-biased and objective overview of the Israel/Palestinian situation and for bringing on guest who is educated and knowledgeable across the different areas which contribute to the overall situation. Nice to finally see someone else who clearly understands that the current events in Gaza, while horrific for the innocent people who are suffering, it does not meet the UN definition of genocide or ethnic cleansing and all the people out there (including so many Australian journalists who don't possess the knowledge to write about the situation in the first place and should stick to muffin recipies) using those terms endlessly are contributing the increasing difficulty of both side ever coming to a real solution . More people need to hear some of the things Julian talked about. I would have liked to hear his opinion regarding how most Jewish people (at least the majority I've seen) present the moral equivalency argument as the standard question to anyone showing 'any' consideration for the Palestinians or questioning the innocent lives lost resulting from Israel's response to the Hamas attacks on Oct 7 is "Do you condem Hamas for murdering Israeli civilians, raping women, killing babies etc?" to which almost everyone says "yes they do" however I haven's seen one Jewish person answer the question from the other side, that being "Do you condem/criticize the Israeli governments response which has so far killed 10000+ innocent people including children?" Rather than answer the question, it is evaded constantly and shifted back on to Hamas for using civilians as human shields (which is true) absolving Israel of any responsibility for the death toll because Israel 'has the right to defend itself' against Hamas. I'm in absolute agreement with Israels right of defence however the logic being used and the absolute rejection of any accountability is very hard for me to accept. The message being put forward is that 'we would be justified in killing every single person in Gaza if that's what it takes to kill every member of Hamas, and we'll do it because Hamas will bear responsibility for their deaths'. At some point numbers (of innocents killed) have to mean something, how many is too many?
This was not an unbiased interview. While the historical facts that were mentioned are not inaccurate, they are strategically framed to fit a certain narrative. Also, the guest says in the episode that he’s a consultant for defense contractors and the host is clear toward the end of the interview where her alliances are, on top of perpetuating the image of people in the Middle East as primitive savages, painting the West as (relatively) peaceful, when the West has been very complicit in all of these conflicts for decades via the military-industrial complex. The host basically echoed in different words George W. Bush’s quote that “they hate us for our freedoms,” when the reality - some of which this episode left out - is much more complex.
This is insane: "what Israel is doing is collective punishment which can have useful strategic effects, like when we bombed Serbia, it was collective punishment that stopped the genocide in Kosovo"....this guy should have never left therapy
Not “insane”, he’s describing the military strategic rationale and support for that rationale, which is not the same as ENDORSING or celebrating or encouraging or morally validating the military rationale. Analogously, bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki served a number of strategic objectives. Articulating the use of the bombs and providing the military justification is not to endorse the bombing or morally validate the bombing or celebrate the bombings. If you lack an ability to understand fundamental distinctions and nuance, then perhaps phrase your comment as a question so that you don’t inadvertently smear somehow while exposing your own ignorance on the matter.
Yes i lack the ability to call crimes against humanity "strategic objectives". By your own logic, the Holocaust also served strategic objectives, while it had political and socio-economic justification....i repeat this is your logic not mine. After WWII, international laws were established in order to prevent mass murder and atrocities to be presented as having "military justification". Speaking of ignorance, you claim that providing military justification is not endorsing or morally validating....no? so are the above atrocities and the ones committed by Israel still condemned and considered war crimes? Because if not, it means they are accepted and morally validated.@@RC-qf3mp
@@segaroh you are partially right and partially confused. I am against the use of the atom bombs on Japan, and against the use of bombs on Gaza and against the bombing of Dresden in Germany. And all those events have strategic military objectives. And I believe ethical considerations outweigh the military objects. And I think the guy on the TH-cam video also agrees with that and that people who interpret him as saying otherwise are failing to understand the limit and scope of military objectives and fail to understand how somebody can articulate military strategy without actually endorsing a particular action. It’s not complicated. It’s like saying that an electric chair is an effective way to execute somebody but it’s less effective than hanging, and, moreover, I’m against executing people at all. So have I endorsed hangings? Of course not. You must be a Gen Z snowflake who was brought up with an inability to consider issues from multiple angles. It’s a lot easier and more fun to virtue signal by being easily offended by everything.
@@segaroh not in the least. The Holocaus was committed against people who were posing no threat to the state, nor wanted anyone’s annihilation. Here’s a problem you are missing; If Country A wants the utter destruction of Country B, there is nothing Country B can do to negotiate peace. We’ve see. This with the failed peace offers, the offers of land, a state, multiple times, all of which have been rejected with no counter offers, and the destruction of Israel is in the Hamas Charter. Even the PA says no Jews can live there. The only option Country B has left is to make all of Country A’s attempts too costly to pursue and/or keep Country A permanently hobbled. Only Country A changes its goals will change the situation for the better. And I somewhat disagree with Julian McBride here. It’s not just collective punishment. Before the ceasefire Hamas had fired over 9,500 rockets into Israel since Oct 7. At the beginning of Oct 7 they fired 3,000 rockets in less than 4 hours, well beyond the capacity of the Iron Dome, requiring air defences, which gave cover for Hamas fighters to infiltrate southern Israel. Hamas was stating it would commit more attacks, but in a way they never really stopped the first one, they were still showering Israel with rockets. And could increase the intensity again. Israel has to destroy those rockets, which are spread like strawberry jam on toast all over civilian infrastructure. Bombing them also reduced their capacity to fire rockets while they were on the run. They have tried minimizing civilian casualties, but let’s not forget Hamas wants those casualties.
It will be interesting to know what Julian has studied to come to the view that the British were blameless and not involved in ethnic tensions before 1948. How is the British vote at the UN relevant to that?
McBride appears quite knowledgable on Mideast affairs and the two of them talk about most people being poorly informed on the details of various issues yet they themselves spout a good deal of unhistoric talking points put out by pro Israeli propagandists who hide themselves under the guise of disinterested experts. Let's just look at their take on the issue of land deals in pre 1948 Palestine and the recent sale in the Armenian quarter of Jerusalem. It's a Jewish myth that even before 1948 most of Palestine was anyway sold away by Palestinians to Jews. The amount of land that was sold, as established by experts, was around 7 percent. Yet Jewish Israel was granted 57 percent of British mandate Palestine when it was formed. At the time Jews comprised one third of Palestine's population while the Palestinians formed the rest. But they were given only 43% by the UN commission which was heavily staffed by Jews and their supporters. A similar deferment on his part to the Jewish version of things is notable in his dismissal of Armenian protests of the land sale in Jerusalem to a Jewish businessman (notice he won't say that Rubenstein is Jewish). The patriarch had absolutely no right to engage in such as deal. He is bound by church rules to consult and receive agreement with the patriarchate's administrative bodies. Plus there are UN laws and regulations that prohibit radical changes to world heritage sites. Imagine a U.S. president selling or leasing Lafayette Park across from the White House in a secretive transaction to have a hotel built there. Obviously nothing from McBride about the devious ways radical Jewish groups have been pushing onto nonJewish land or about the harassment from those groups in the form of spitting, vandalism, threatening phone calls. These are just two examples of McBrides inability to think and analyze outside the official positions that have had a stranglehold on those serving in U.S. institutions from presidents to CIA officers for decades now. I listened to this interview with interest but was stunned by the many inaccuracies propounded by him that my initial sympathy for the guy was all but entirely eroded by the end of the interview due his continual spouting of biased information.
Hi Laura, Your hangup on Julian not mentioning that Rubenstein is Jewish is strange. By the context and name, it's very obvious that Rubenstein is Jewish, he didn't need to say it. You thinking this is some sort of conspiratorial omission + using the term "devious" to describe the behaviour of some Jews is noteworthy. Also, I'm interested in how you define "non Jewish" land. Throughout history many tribes and civilisations have occupied different lands around the world. Are you denying that Jews have traditionally lived on that land? - Zoe
because they're displacing another ethnic group and doing so against most law and rules entirely do to the racist nature of Israel and the fact that anyone who's not a Jew faces extreme discrimination.@@Quillette
Jews have not traditionally lived on that land, or at least the Jews that did (ie. the Palestinians) converted to Islam through 8th and 9th centuries, those that didn't remained right up until the influx of zionist jews but were themselves anti-zionist and Ultra-Orthodox@@Quillette
Yeah - "non-Jewish land" - lol. So, Arab conquerors who conquered lots and lots and lots and lots of land over years, but lost that one tiny strip in their conquering battles, to the people who originally were from there?
@@benchapple1583 I have personal family friends who had their parents burnt alive by Serbian soldiers. I have cousins who were 10 years old running through the woods while shot at by Serbian soldiers and fleeing their village. My uncle was beat and left for dead in a pile of bodies, only to escape when the soldiers left briefly before they came back to burn the bodies. I'm assuming this is another moronic Chomsky take where the idiot is so anti-western he can't see evil when it's staring him in the face. Absolutely disgusting to deny this genocide took place, actually disgusting. By people who have never set foot in the country themselves. Gross.
He states, "...collective punishment has military and strategic effect". Either way that still remains a war crime! And there are far too many utterances from key Israeli Regime ministers to indicate an intent to commit Genocide. What nonsense this "expert" is talking.
You need to differ between the statements of politicians, responding to the worst crime against Jews since holocaust, and actions. The IDF is using the most accurate weapons available, opening humanitarian corridors for civilians to evacuate, making phone calls and spreading fliers urging civilians to move, allowing humanitarian aid to enter and much more. It basically does everything an army can do when fighting a highly dense area to minimize collateral damage. There are many casualties, that is true, but it's not because the IDF tries to hurt civilians. If it would, the numbers would be much, and I mean MUCH, higher.
@@gadinahary if you really believe all those Israeli Regime talking points, because every one of them is precisely that, then you have been taken in by propaganda of the worst kind, or you are disingenuous. I suggest you find a broader range of sources, read a wider range of history books and explore every voice that counters what you think you know.
@@gadinahary Yeah, ignore what the politicians say, they're just in charge. They are saying what they mean. Much higher? Higher than 14,000? If they're are using the most accurate weapons available as you say. Then it is definitely genocide Israel is guilty of.
@@franskat213take your advice too. I've chatted with Gazans directly before this recent conflict. And both confirmed Israel, calls texts and sends knocker bombs. Anyone who doesn't know the Islamist and Sharia dimension to this conflict hasn't done their research.
This so called "expert" is very good in point the bias of others, but he seems unable to see his own. I don't think, he is an deep expert... his arrogance reminds me more of a pseudo-intelectual with narcissistic tendencies hiding behind a helper-syndrome. I fell sorry for him. Texbook case of communal NPD. Communal narcissists present themselves as altruistic, caring, and extremely community-minded...
12:00 - Not only that, Jews lived in Muslim majority lands for centuries, after Islamic armies came out of Arabia, in the 7th century CE, and conquered the Levant. In the Diaspora, Jews were regarded as 'Dhimmis' or second class citizens: merely tolerated, paying exorbitant taxes, living in ghettos, w/ many types of social and occupational restrictions and subject to the whims of the Muslim majority, on and off subjected to bouts of violence and massacres.
This is historical fact, corroborated by Muslim history too.
While it may be that in general the Jews had been slightly better treated when they were minorities among Muslim land, than the treatment they received in Christian Europe, this idea that 'Arabs and Jews lived in perfect harmony before Zionism' and that Jewish life in Muslim lands during the Diaspora was some type of 'Sunday afternoon in the park, picnic with coca cola and apple pie' is a complete fantasy, a total fabrication.
That's why the idea of a 'One State Solution' will never work, because, Muslims would soon become a majority and history has shown that when they are a majority, everyone else is a second class citizen, most notably Jews. There is no historical precedent for a 'One State Solution'. At least not one where Jews are the minority.
Yeah “dhimmis” weren’t just Jewish, they were other religious minorities as well. But that’s not necessarily a thing of the past. Fatah members have floated the idea of bringing back the Jizya (tax for not being Muslim) on Christians. Don’t think it got very far, they’d be fools to try to institute now, but that it was even brought up is not good.
Correct, every non Muslim is regarded as second class citizen, Christians too of course, but I have a feeling, that while Jews and Christians would be barely tolerated as such as 'People of The Book', other faiths such as Buddhists, Hindus, as well as other esoteric and mystical Middle Eastern religious groups such as Zoroastrians, Yazidis, would fare even worse.As I recall the Taliban exploded those huge Buddha statues in Afghanistan and the Islamic State raped and killed Yazidis in Iraq id I'm no mistaken. And most of Zoroastrians were kicked out or fled Iran due to persecutions form Shia Muslims.@@dachshundsdogs4407
Christians are living just fine along their Palestinian countrymen right now. @@tiluriso
you paid more in taxes if you were a Muslim though. You also had to fight.@@dachshundsdogs4407
Christians in Gaza ? LOL@@gogob2008
Thank you, Juliann & Quillette. I've learned so much about the Middle East conflict & war 'strategy ' in a relatively short span of time. Much appreciated.
Thanks for your support.
That has been a great interview. Thanks a lot to both of you.
Thanks for your support.
@@Quillette Thank YOU for your work. ❤
He's a clown
I love your guest! So intelligent and a nice guy!
Yes, he's great :)
Great stuff. Julian, you have a unique perspective and it was refreshing to hear it. I’m actually a doctor who did his residency at NYU Langone. Even though I’m in Minneapolis now, if I can be of any help with the polite and hopefully civil discussion you are planning to have with students, please let me know.
That's a great idea. You can send him an email at Julian@sofrep.com
Boah, so many crimes around the world we hardly hear about in our media. What a shame.
All the questions I had in my mind about this conflict I want answered were asked perfectly by Zoe and answered straight btw the eyes by Julian
Thanks for your support.
Excellent overview of the dynamics of the current conflict.
Thanks for your support.
Very interesting guy, very wide perspective! thanks for bringing him on
Quick answer: yes.
Israel has indeed been found guilty of war crimes.
Thank You Julian you’re an honorary Armenian brother & thank u Quillette
You’re the real deal.
Thanks for watching!
Excellent conversation. So chock full of accurate information presented and discussed in a wonderfully even tone.
Thanks so much!
Excellent wuedtions that were thoughtfully answered.
Thank you to you both.
Respect from Bondi Beach 🇦🇺🇮🇱
Bondi represent!
Great conversation
🇬🇧🙏🇬🇧🙏
The amount of nonsense that Israel is accused of is awful. People use words they don't understand.
*Apartheid?*
The Apartheid is on the Arab side, not in Israel. In Israel there are 2 million Arab citizens (1.8 Muslim citizens) all with the same rights and benefits. How are Jews treated in the Arab world? Talk about Apartheid, there are less than 10,000 Jews total in all the Arab and Muslim countries in the Middle East, possibly the Arab world.
Gaza and the West Bank are not Israel. They have their own governments, laws, taxes, schools, police, services. They are not Israeli citizens, but citizens of Hamas and the Palestinian Authority.
If a Canadian or Mexican wants to vote in US elections, can they? No, because they are citizens of other lands. Can a Canadian or Mexican come across the border to the US without identifying themselves, or giving a valid reason for their travel? No, they must have ID, and state how long they plan to stay in the US and why they are coming into US territories. That is the same as Israel with the Palestinians.
There is no Apartheid!
*Genocide?*
*_"The systematic and widespread extermination or attempted extermination or attempted extermination of a national, racial, religious, or ethnic group"_*
There has Never been a genocide by Israel on anyone. The Palestinians killed as the result of wars that they started, are not victims of genocide. The millions killed in Japan when the US dropped atomic bombs in WW2 ars victims of genocide. The 1 million Armenian Christians murdered by the Turks are a genocide. The 800,000 Tutsi murdered in Rwanda are a genocide.
People who were killed in wartime by warfare are not victims of genocide, unless specifically targeted for destruction, which Israel has never done.
*Please buy a dictionary! Google is free!*
Of course there is apartheid in Israel and it has nothing to do with occupation of west bank or open air prison in Gaza strip.
There are too many laws on the books in Israel to mention them all, which separate Israeli Muslims and Israeli Jews, making Muslims effectively 2nd class citizens, the hallmark of apartheid.
As for genocide, there can't be any ethnic cleansing without a dash of genocide, otherwise it is impossible to cleanse the land of particular ethnicity and ethnic cleansing is basically constitutionalized in the making of a Jewish state.
Maybe you should stop eating your hasbara information and enlighten yourself.
@@micixduda Please mention 5 of these supposed laws?
@@shainazion4073 1. The Jewish Nation-State Law
One of Israel’s quasi-constitutional Basic Laws. Stipulates that the right to self-determination in Israel and the occupied Palestinian territories “is unique to the Jewish people” and encourages racial segregation and discrimination against Palestinians in housing by directing the state to promote the “development of Jewish settlement as a national value.”
2. The Law of “Return”
Gives Jews from anywhere in the world the right to immigrate to Israel and the occupied Palestinian territories and to automatically receive Israeli citizenship. At the same time, Israel denies indigenous Palestinians who were expelled during and after Israel’s establishment their legal right to return to their homeland because they aren’t Jewish and treats Palestinian citizens of the state, who comprise more than 20% of Israel’s population, as second-class citizens.
3. The Admissions Committee Law
Authorizes hundreds of smaller towns to set up “admissions committees” to reject applications from Palestinians, LGBTQ people, and others deemed undesirable using criteria such as being “unsuitable to the social life of the community… or the social and cultural fabric of the town.”
4. Absentee Property Law and Land Acquisition Law
Allows Israel’s government to expropriate land and other property belonging to Palestinians who were driven from their homes during the state’s establishment. The primary tool used by Israel to steal huge amounts of land and private property from Palestinians who were expelled and denied their right to return, including many internally displaced within Israel’s borders.
5. Israel Lands Law
Another of Israel’s quasi-constitutional Basic Laws. Stipulates that ownership of state lands can only be transferred between the government and quasi-governmental agencies like the Jewish National Fund, which only leases land to Jews. Ninety-three percent of the land in Israel is state owned. Israel's discriminatory land policies make it extremely difficult for Palestinians with Israeli citizenship to gain access to land for residential, commercial, agricultural, or other uses.
6. The Citizenship and Entry into Israel Law
Prevents Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza who are married to Palestinian citizens of Israel from gaining residency or citizenship status, including those who were expelled from towns inside what became Israel in 1948. Forces thousands of Palestinian citizens of Israel to leave the country or live apart from their spouses and families.
7. The Nakba Law
Bans public funding for institutions and organizations involved in commemorating the violent expulsion of three quarters of all Palestinians during Israel’s establishment as a Jewish-majority state in 1948, known to Palestinians as the “Nakba”
@@micixduda
1) The Nation State Law, is not law in Palestinian Territories, the Palestinian Territories are governed by Fatah, not Israel. Your lie in even calling them as occupied? *Please explain who they are occupied from?*
▪︎ The former Ottoman lands?
▪︎ The expired British Mandate lands?
▪︎ The illegally annexed Jordanian land?
▪︎ The colonized Egyptian land in Gaza?
▪︎ The land won by Israel from Jordan and Egypt in a defensive war?
*So, who is the land occupied from?*
So, saying that Ireland is the state of the Irish is unlawful? That Saudi Arabia is the land of Saudi Arabians is unlawful? That this is racism in all the countries that have similar laws?
In 1948, Israel was declared as a Jewish State, its primary mission is to be a safe haven for the worlds 14 million Jews.
@@micixduda
2) The law of Return, does not effect any Arabs as citizens of Israel, it affects people looking to become Israeli citizens. There are many of the world's countries that specify that their own ethnicity or nationalities are allowed preference above foreign people looking to gain citizenship from their lands. This is not unique to Israel. Laws of Return are in Armenia, Austria, Finland, France, Germany, Ghana, Greece, Hungary, Ireland, Latvia, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Russian Federation, Spain. So are all these countries wrong in allowing people of their own ancestral origin as citizens before outsiders?
Blessed be the Lord God who was worshiped by Abraham, Isaac and Jacob whose name lives in Jerusalem forever and ever.....Amen. 🕎🇮🇱🔯✝️🔯🇮🇱🕎
Who were the aid groups and what did they admit seeing?
Instead of world sympathy, they attract revulsion. Each Airport strip-search reminds us.
No.
12:05 to 13:28 - Interesting historical background.
Quillette "it's not a real genocide"
It's not
it really isn't. trust me.
Quillette go full spectrum post-modernist Baudrillard
It's not, it's all fine. look somewhere else
(even though Israel's response is international recognized as a genocide.)
what's a few thousand kids between friends, hey!
So why aren’t you upset at the Indian genocide in Qatar?
@@mrharpable whataboutism.
Gaza has been ignored by the world for 10years. It's once again in the spotlight. for the only response is to say "look over there" shows a deep indifference to human life . To support Israel at this moment in time is like support Pinochet's Chile, america's war on the Vietcong or the British brutality in Ireland.
are you seriously calling 8 people being killed a genocide?
Absurdity on Absurdity.
Well done Zoe (and to Quillette) for a genuine attempt at presenting an un-biased and objective overview of the Israel/Palestinian situation and for bringing on guest who is educated and knowledgeable across the different areas which contribute to the overall situation. Nice to finally see someone else who clearly understands that the current events in Gaza, while horrific for the innocent people who are suffering, it does not meet the UN definition of genocide or ethnic cleansing and all the people out there (including so many Australian journalists who don't possess the knowledge to write about the situation in the first place and should stick to muffin recipies) using those terms endlessly are contributing the increasing difficulty of both side ever coming to a real solution .
More people need to hear some of the things Julian talked about. I would have liked to hear his opinion regarding how most Jewish people (at least the majority I've seen) present the moral equivalency argument as the standard question to anyone showing 'any' consideration for the Palestinians or questioning the innocent lives lost resulting from Israel's response to the Hamas attacks on Oct 7 is "Do you condem Hamas for murdering Israeli civilians, raping women, killing babies etc?" to which almost everyone says "yes they do" however I haven's seen one Jewish person answer the question from the other side, that being "Do you condem/criticize the Israeli governments response which has so far killed 10000+ innocent people including children?" Rather than answer the question, it is evaded constantly and shifted back on to Hamas for using civilians as human shields (which is true) absolving Israel of any responsibility for the death toll because Israel 'has the right to defend itself' against Hamas. I'm in absolute agreement with Israels right of defence however the logic being used and the absolute rejection of any accountability is very hard for me to accept. The message being put forward is that 'we would be justified in killing every single person in Gaza if that's what it takes to kill every member of Hamas, and we'll do it because Hamas will bear responsibility for their deaths'. At some point numbers (of innocents killed) have to mean something, how many is too many?
This was not an unbiased interview. While the historical facts that were mentioned are not inaccurate, they are strategically framed to fit a certain narrative. Also, the guest says in the episode that he’s a consultant for defense contractors and the host is clear toward the end of the interview where her alliances are, on top of perpetuating the image of people in the Middle East as primitive savages, painting the West as (relatively) peaceful, when the West has been very complicit in all of these conflicts for decades via the military-industrial complex. The host basically echoed in different words George W. Bush’s quote that “they hate us for our freedoms,” when the reality - some of which this episode left out - is much more complex.
Thanks for your support.
This is insane: "what Israel is doing is collective punishment which can have useful strategic effects, like when we bombed Serbia, it was collective punishment that stopped the genocide in Kosovo"....this guy should have never left therapy
Yes. He needs therapy. He displays clearly narcissistic tendencies. It is scary that people like this are counseling the UN...
Not “insane”, he’s describing the military strategic rationale and support for that rationale, which is not the same as ENDORSING or celebrating or encouraging or morally validating the military rationale. Analogously, bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki served a number of strategic objectives. Articulating the use of the bombs and providing the military justification is not to endorse the bombing or morally validate the bombing or celebrate the bombings.
If you lack an ability to understand fundamental distinctions and nuance, then perhaps phrase your comment as a question so that you don’t inadvertently smear somehow while exposing your own ignorance on the matter.
Yes i lack the ability to call crimes against humanity "strategic objectives". By your own logic, the Holocaust also served strategic objectives, while it had political and socio-economic justification....i repeat this is your logic not mine. After WWII, international laws were established in order to prevent mass murder and atrocities to be presented as having "military justification". Speaking of ignorance, you claim that providing military justification is not endorsing or morally validating....no? so are the above atrocities and the ones committed by Israel still condemned and considered war crimes? Because if not, it means they are accepted and morally validated.@@RC-qf3mp
@@segaroh you are partially right and partially confused. I am against the use of the atom bombs on Japan, and against the use of bombs on Gaza and against the bombing of Dresden in Germany. And all those events have strategic military objectives. And I believe ethical considerations outweigh the military objects. And I think the guy on the TH-cam video also agrees with that and that people who interpret him as saying otherwise are failing to understand the limit and scope of military objectives and fail to understand how somebody can articulate military strategy without actually endorsing a particular action. It’s not complicated. It’s like saying that an electric chair is an effective way to execute somebody but it’s less effective than hanging, and, moreover, I’m against executing people at all. So have I endorsed hangings? Of course not. You must be a Gen Z snowflake who was brought up with an inability to consider issues from multiple angles. It’s a lot easier and more fun to virtue signal by being easily offended by everything.
@@segaroh not in the least. The Holocaus was committed against people who were posing no threat to the state, nor wanted anyone’s annihilation. Here’s a problem you are missing; If Country A wants the utter destruction of Country B, there is nothing Country B can do to negotiate peace. We’ve see. This with the failed peace offers, the offers of land, a state, multiple times, all of which have been rejected with no counter offers, and the destruction of Israel is in the Hamas Charter. Even the PA says no Jews can live there. The only option Country B has left is to make all of Country A’s attempts too costly to pursue and/or keep Country A permanently hobbled. Only Country A changes its goals will change the situation for the better.
And I somewhat disagree with Julian McBride here. It’s not just collective punishment. Before the ceasefire Hamas had fired over 9,500 rockets into Israel since Oct 7. At the beginning of Oct 7 they fired 3,000 rockets in less than 4 hours, well beyond the capacity of the Iron Dome, requiring air defences, which gave cover for Hamas fighters to infiltrate southern Israel. Hamas was stating it would commit more attacks, but in a way they never really stopped the first one, they were still showering Israel with rockets. And could increase the intensity again. Israel has to destroy those rockets, which are spread like strawberry jam on toast all over civilian infrastructure. Bombing them also reduced their capacity to fire rockets while they were on the run.
They have tried minimizing civilian casualties, but let’s not forget Hamas wants those casualties.
Not all Israelis serve in the army. For some there is an alternative form of social service with children, in hospitals and other civil needs.
😂😂😂😂😂
Oh, yes, that makes them compassionate judeo-nazis 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
0:29 there’s no govt in Tel Aviv baby it’s in Jerusalem 🇮🇱
"so manycabinets the in tel Aviv"? Cabinets meet and n Jerusalem, the capital of Israel
It will be interesting to know what Julian has studied to come to the view that the British were blameless and not involved in ethnic tensions before 1948. How is the British vote at the UN relevant to that?
that is one of the most insane things I have ever heard anyone say. I really think this guy is out to lunch
A surprisingly one-sided take. His arguments against Israel committing genocide are just embarrassing.
honeslty, a lot about his guy's arguments are embarrassing
McBride appears quite knowledgable on Mideast affairs and the two of them talk about most people being poorly informed on the details of various issues yet they themselves spout a good deal of unhistoric talking points put out by pro Israeli propagandists who hide themselves under the guise of disinterested experts. Let's just look at their take on the issue of land deals in pre 1948 Palestine and the recent sale in the Armenian quarter of Jerusalem.
It's a Jewish myth that even before 1948 most of Palestine was anyway sold away by Palestinians to Jews. The amount of land that was sold, as established by experts, was around 7 percent. Yet Jewish Israel was granted 57 percent of British mandate Palestine when it was formed. At the time Jews comprised one third of Palestine's population while the Palestinians formed the rest. But they were given only 43% by the UN commission which was heavily staffed by Jews and their supporters.
A similar deferment on his part to the Jewish version of things is notable in his dismissal of Armenian protests of the land sale in Jerusalem to a Jewish businessman (notice he won't say that Rubenstein is Jewish). The patriarch had absolutely no right to engage in such as deal. He is bound by church rules to consult and receive agreement with the patriarchate's administrative bodies. Plus there are UN laws and regulations that prohibit radical changes to world heritage sites. Imagine a U.S. president selling or leasing Lafayette Park across from the White House in a secretive transaction to have a hotel built there. Obviously nothing from McBride about the devious ways radical Jewish groups have been pushing onto nonJewish land or about the harassment from those groups in the form of spitting, vandalism, threatening phone calls.
These are just two examples of McBrides inability to think and analyze outside the official positions that have had a stranglehold on those serving in U.S. institutions from presidents to CIA officers for decades now. I listened to this interview with interest but was stunned by the many inaccuracies propounded by him that my initial sympathy for the guy was all but entirely eroded by the end of the interview due his continual spouting of biased information.
Hi Laura,
Your hangup on Julian not mentioning that Rubenstein is Jewish is strange. By the context and name, it's very obvious that Rubenstein is Jewish, he didn't need to say it. You thinking this is some sort of conspiratorial omission + using the term "devious" to describe the behaviour of some Jews is noteworthy.
Also, I'm interested in how you define "non Jewish" land. Throughout history many tribes and civilisations have occupied different lands around the world. Are you denying that Jews have traditionally lived on that land?
- Zoe
Its Quillette, what do you expect?
because they're displacing another ethnic group and doing so against most law and rules entirely do to the racist nature of Israel and the fact that anyone who's not a Jew faces extreme discrimination.@@Quillette
Jews have not traditionally lived on that land, or at least the Jews that did (ie. the Palestinians) converted to Islam through 8th and 9th centuries, those that didn't remained right up until the influx of zionist jews but were themselves anti-zionist and Ultra-Orthodox@@Quillette
Yeah - "non-Jewish land" - lol. So, Arab conquerors who conquered lots and lots and lots and lots of land over years, but lost that one tiny strip in their conquering battles, to the people who originally were from there?
Hasbara 🎉🎉🎉
Be careful not to find yourselves on the wrong side of history, humanity is watching.
Has the word 'genocide' been abused? Yes, by us when describing events in Kosovo.
You think that wasnt a genocide?
@@kppk2084 Yes I do.
@@benchapple1583 I have personal family friends who had their parents burnt alive by Serbian soldiers. I have cousins who were 10 years old running through the woods while shot at by Serbian soldiers and fleeing their village. My uncle was beat and left for dead in a pile of bodies, only to escape when the soldiers left briefly before they came back to burn the bodies.
I'm assuming this is another moronic Chomsky take where the idiot is so anti-western he can't see evil when it's staring him in the face. Absolutely disgusting to deny this genocide took place, actually disgusting. By people who have never set foot in the country themselves. Gross.
If Kosovo was a genocide, then so is Gaza, simple as that@@kppk2084
@@segaroh I never made a point about whether Gaza was or wasnt a genocide.
He states, "...collective punishment has military and strategic effect". Either way that still remains a war crime! And there are far too many utterances from key Israeli Regime ministers to indicate an intent to commit Genocide. What nonsense this "expert" is talking.
You need to differ between the statements of politicians, responding to the worst crime against Jews since holocaust, and actions.
The IDF is using the most accurate weapons available, opening humanitarian corridors for civilians to evacuate, making phone calls and spreading fliers urging civilians to move, allowing humanitarian aid to enter and much more.
It basically does everything an army can do when fighting a highly dense area to minimize collateral damage.
There are many casualties, that is true, but it's not because the IDF tries to hurt civilians. If it would, the numbers would be much, and I mean MUCH, higher.
@@gadinahary if you really believe all those Israeli Regime talking points, because every one of them is precisely that, then you have been taken in by propaganda of the worst kind, or you are disingenuous. I suggest you find a broader range of sources, read a wider range of history books and explore every voice that counters what you think you know.
@@gadinahary Yeah, ignore what the politicians say, they're just in charge.
They are saying what they mean.
Much higher? Higher than 14,000? If they're are using the most accurate weapons available as you say. Then it is definitely genocide Israel is guilty of.
Shame on you, that you support Genocide! @@gadinahary
@@franskat213take your advice too. I've chatted with Gazans directly before this recent conflict. And both confirmed Israel, calls texts and sends knocker bombs.
Anyone who doesn't know the Islamist and Sharia dimension to this conflict hasn't done their research.
Evil inside
This so called "expert" is very good in point the bias of others, but he seems unable to see his own. I don't think, he is an deep expert... his arrogance reminds me more of a pseudo-intelectual with narcissistic tendencies hiding behind a helper-syndrome. I fell sorry for him. Texbook case of communal NPD. Communal narcissists present themselves as altruistic, caring, and extremely community-minded...
Is this supposed to be serious discussion? 😂