*TESTIMONY* ......by Leonard A. Chretien As one of Jehovah’s Witnesses, I knew I had "the ‘truth". I was baptized as a Jehovah’s Witness in 1960 at age 26 with my wife, Marjorie. We had studied together with the Witnesses and were converts. As a member in good standing, I served as an appointed congregation Elder since the mid-1970s. I was regular in the door-to-door field service, conducted Home studies, and did all that the Watchtower Society requires. Marjorie and I even raised our child as a Witness and looked forward to surviving Armageddon into endless life on paradise earth. *Surviving Armageddon* From the mid-1960s, the Society had pointed to 1975 as the time for the conclusion of the present world system. The publications of that time were very clear about this, and we were also taught the same predictions in our meetings and book studies. Because we were taught that only Witnesses in good standing would survive Armageddon, we even sold a prosperous business in 1972 and our home in 1974 so that we could more fully serve Jehovah in the short time remaining. Understandably, many Witnesses were disappointed and disillusioned when 1975 came and went. I became suspicious when the Watchtower denied responsibility for the predictions both preached and printed in the prior decade. Instead, they laid the blame for the unfulfilled prophecy on what they called “over-enthusiastic members”! *Looking Deeper* As I considered other times when the organization had supposedly prophesied the end of the world, I decided to examine those predictions for myself. The Watchtower, of course, doesn't tolerate a critical analysis of its history or teaching, severely censoring anyone who tries. Since my life as an Elder would not allow the time I needed for research, I resigned as Presiding Overseer of my congregation. It was a serious and far-reaching decision. So began an odyssey of research and scrutiny of past Watchtower prophecies and teachings. My wife and I developed an extensive library of old Watchtower literature and discovered some incredible claims made by the Society. The Society had taught that the world would end in 1914. When 1914 came and went, President C.T. Russell changed the date to 1915, then to 1918. Later, second President J.F. Rutherford chose 1925 for the end of the world and claimed that Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and other “ancient worthies” would be resurrected in 1925 to usher in the new world! By 1929 Rutherford, still convinced of that resurrection of “ancient worthies,” built a mansion for them in San Diego, calling the house “Beth Sarim, House of the Princes.” He finally died in the house in 1942 shortly after proclaiming that the end of the world was only months away. The Watchtower now teaches that the world only entered its time of the end in 1914, taking attention away from the failed prophecy of that year. The current teaching is that the generation that saw the events of 1914 will see the end of the world. All of this and more made Marjorie and me realize that the Watchtower Society is a “false prophet” organization, perfectly fitting the biblical definition of a false prophet in *Deuteronomy **18:21**-22* : “You say to yourselves, ‘How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the Lord?’ If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the Lord *does not take place or come true*, that is a message the Lord has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. *Do not be afraid of him.* " As a result, we turned in our formal letter of disassociation from the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society. Of course, we were totally shunned by our Witness friends whom we had known for years. *Finding Peace* After sending our letter of disassociation, a peace of mind and a freedom that I had never known in my 22 years as a Jehovah’s Witness came over me. Jesus Christ had personally come into my life, and I knew for certain that my salvation did not rest on worthless works, but had been given to me as a free gift, and outpouring of grace. We had been taught that we had to go through the Watchtower organization to get to the Father, but we are witnesses to the truth in Jesus Christ when He said; "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.” - John 14:6 You do not need the so-called “144,000 mediator class” to help you work out your salvation. “For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Jesus Christ, who gave Himself as a ransom for all men.” - 1 Timothy 2:5-6 Jehovah loves you with a greater love than the Society has told you about, and Marjorie and I are witnesses to the marvelous salvation He freely offers in Christ. I invite you to accept the Lord Jesus as your Savior and renounce the errors of the Watchtower Society. Stop trusting in your good works, and ask the Lord Jesus to save you. “Whoever believes in the Son (Jesus Christ) has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on him.” - John 3:36 Yes, the living Lord extends this invitation to Jehovah’s Witnesses today: “ *Come to Me*, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest.” - Matthew 11:28 .
@@BobbyORiley What is there to challenge? Many are disfellowshipped from the JW organisation and others are free to leave or disassociate. The same goes for employment - there is employment contract law and if someone does not respect the terms of their job contract and cannot agree to fulfill it, then why should they continue to work there and expect to be paid wages? Any company, organisation or club has rules - that's how it is. If someone leaves a sports club for whatever reason (or is thrown out because of their behaviour), what is there to challenge? One has to get on with life, whichever way you choose. The witnesses carry on with their ministry and meetings and those that choose to leave have other priorities. It mystifies me why some seem compelled and obsessed to continue criticising the JWs because in reality nothing will change - everyone is free to make a choice as to what they will do.
@@Tony07UK not so when you are baptised at 10, 11 or 12 years old . You’re not even old enough to have a mobile phone contract but you are encouraged to make a massive decision as a child . Show me one example in the scriptures where a young child got baptised . Even JC waited till he was 30
00:04 - Intro 02:07 - Rules presentation 03:36 - Opening statement Dr. White 28:27 - Opening statement Mr. Stafford 53:18 - Rebutall Dr. White 01:12:33 - Rebutall Mr. Stafford 01:32:25 - Dr. White cross examines Mr. Stafford 02:13:29 - Dr. White summation 02:23:40 - Mr. Stafford summation 02:33:30 - Q&A
It never ceases to amaze me that until God gives sight to someone He is calling to salvation that no matter what evidence you give them and how clear it may be, they will not be able to see it and accept it. I use to wonder why Jesus would always say, to those who have ears let them hear and to those who have eyes let them see. It's because He knew that no matter how many people were there, not all would see and hear what He was saying and doing, only those who had been called.
Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? @@servantofourlordjesuschris6456
do not believe anyone who says there is a small God and a big God.. the FATHER HIMSELF did not say Jesus is a small God.. and the bible did not say there are TWO shepherds... and the bible did not say there are TWO Gods either.. those who say there are Two shepherd and Two Gods are devils advocate.. there cant be a shepherd and a GOOD shepherd...what would you make of the other shepherd? a BAD shepherd? since Jesus said HE is the GOOD shepherd? nonsense ... there is ONLY one GOD /one shepherd that is what the bible teach... this two commenters do not believe Apostle Peter and Paul of Tarsus.. so why do you even believe them? since this two bible characters live,ate died with Jesus?
@@alfaromeo101 Of course I believe that there is one God and one Shepherd, "The Word was with God and the Word was God" and we know that the Word became flesh and dwelt amongst us. And all praise and honour and glory to Him! God Himself came to earth to die for us!
@@alfaromeo101 You've already admitted that Satan is a small god Sinned. You admitted this in conversation to KODNWL in relation to 2 Corinthians 4:4. Be consistent and once you learn a bible truth stick to it rather than let it go in one ear and out the other and spew your lies. THIS is why you'll never have the truth, you taste it and then spit it out as it's not what you fancy. (read more below) Since you stated, "do not believe anyone who says there is a small God and a big God.." and admit Satan is a god, there is good reason that EVERYONE here should NOT listen to what you say according to your own statement.🤣😂🤣🤣 Sometimes you really do dig your own grave. 2 Corinthians 4:4 - "Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don’t believe." - NLT Satan is the god of this world. Angels are called gods, Psalms 8:5 "You made him a little lower than godlike ones, And you crowned him with glory and splendor. " Jesus referred to himself a god small g not big G/God, John 10:34 "If he called ‘gods’ those against whom the word of God came-and yet the scripture cannot be nullified- 36 do you say to me whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, ‘You blaspheme,’ because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’? " ----------
@@Kai-ye6zu its very funny isnt it? how JW LOOK UP to SATAN as THEIR god..it cant be further from the truth..tsk tsk tsk.. when I mention God I am talking about MY GOD in HEAVEN..whereas when YOU LOT talk about god..what you have in mind is YOUR god ..satan..but YOUR teaching shows who your god is that is why he is the one who is always in your mouth and head when you speak about god... but Michael ...wisdom..why would you even ask me about ,how it can be created,begotten and produce since that is YOUR arguement not mine? you are confused and tangled as you dont know what to think anymore..see how I annihilated KODNL..he stop emailing me cos he SUFFERED the same DEFEAT as you did..
>>> *1 John **5:12**-13* ~ “He who has **Jesus Christ** *HAS* Eternal Life.. I write these things to you who Believe on **JESUS CHRIST** so that you may **KNOW** that you **HAVE** Eternal Life.” >>> *Acts **20:21* ~ “.. turn to God in *Repentance* and have **FAITH in JESUS CHRIST**.”
>>> *John **6:40* ~ “The Father’s will is that *EVERYONE* who **LOOKS TO JESUS** and Believes in Him shall have Eternal Life, and **I, JESUS**, shall raise him up at the last day.” Are you looking to **JESUS** or to an *"organization"*? .
Jesus !!! All religions have a organisation to go to. !!! Does not mean because JW calls it his org Is different.....dan 2:44 he set up a kingdom in heaven and on earth and Jesus is now ruling as king to call all to his father Jehovah to know and worship him. Why? So he and us sanctified Gods NAME that they the churches took out of the bible gods name . Jehovah. 7000 times , Satan wants this worship. We prove this if you listen to God And humble yourself , meek will inherit. Not ones who argue about God. God will do it himself soon. Let vengeance be mine says the lord...he will let us all know soon. On his day. If you believe in Jesus random sacrifice for us you will live if you don't ?????????
@@lyndabutcher5883- You do NOT get access to God NOR get eternal life through a "religion" OR "organization. - You receive this free gift of Eternal life *at the very moment* you repent and trust *Jesus* to save you based on what He did for you 2000+ years ago when He died and paid for your sins with His BLOOD. --- *Your sins are then forgiven and you, therefore, **_"HAVE eternal life"_* APART from ANY connection to ANY religious organization and APART from any works that your faith in Jesus may prompt you to do. -->1 John 5:12-13 ~ _“He who has _*_Jesus Christ HAS Eternal Life._*_ … I write these things to you _*_who Believe on JESUS CHRIST_*_ so that you may KNOW that you _*_HAVE Eternal Life.”_* -->Gal 3:22 ~ _“... so that what was promised _*_(Eternal Life),_*_ being given through _*_Faith in JESUS CHRIST,_*_ may be given to those who BELIEVE."_
All you do is repent, confess, surrender and entrusting HIM (JESUS) as LORD for Salvation. It is wonderful, in realizing how much the "Great GOD and SAVIOR" of us "JESUS CHRIST" (Titus 2:13) -How HE loved us, that HE came down from Heaven (John 6:38), and left HIS throne to take a servant's form (Phil 2:5-11) for the suffering of death, but yet raised HIS flesh HIS own body from death (John 2:19-21), for HE truly is "THE FIRST" the creator of all things (Col 1:16-17 & Heb 1:10-12). The "I AM" John 8:58 May the Grace and Spirit of Christ be with You All!!!
The Auditor He was The Word before the incarnation, Hebrew says He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, 4having become as much better than the angels, as He has inherited a more excellent name than they. 5For to which of the angels did He ever say, “YOU ARE MY SON, TODAY I HAVE BEGOTTEN YOU”? And again, “I WILL BE A FATHER TO HIM AND HE SHALL BE A SON TO ME”? 6And when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says, “AND LET ALL THE ANGELS OF GOD WORSHIP HIM.” 7And of the angels He says, “WHO MAKES HIS ANGELS WINDS, AND HIS MINISTERS A FLAME OF FIRE.” 8But of the Son He says, “YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER, AND THE RIGHTEOUS SCEPTER IS THE SCEPTER OF HIS KINGDOM. The reason they distinguish between each other is the ROLES they take, a son does the fathers will, a spirit inhabits and regenerates. And if Christ isn’t Almighty God, your calling Isaiah a Liar “For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, MIGHTY GOD, EVERLASTING FATHER, Prince of Peace.”
The Auditor you clearly ignored that Isaiah said he shall be called EVERLASTING FATHER , in 1corinthians 15 Christ will continue to rule cause his reign is eternal, but he will reign in his former, full, and glorious place within the Trinity, and as I’ve said, those are the Roles of the trinity, it does not mean they are lesser or greater, if we want to continue this train of thought, why did God say “Let US make man in OUR image”. God would not say this to angels cause they are lesser than he is, they did not create, God Creates, God is speaking as the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. If they were somehow lesser or greater than one another, the greater would not have included the lesser in creation. They are Roles, not natures.
The Auditor yes there is basis, you don’t believe he’s equal with God but here your saying there’s no problem calling him Everlasting Father? According to you that would be blasphemy since you believe the Father is the only True God, the names given describe his equality with the father, God says he shares his glory with no one, “ I am the LORD; that is my name; my glory I give to no other, nor my praise to carved idols. “ Isaiah 42:8, yet you say He’s going to share it with a created Jesus, your saying God is contradicting himself making him out to be a liar. No my friend, Jesus is God, not a god, not a created god, or an angel“You are my witnesses,” declares the Lord, “and my servant whom I have chosen, that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he. Before me NO GOD was formed, nor shall there be any after me” Isaiah 43:10.
In Rev 5:13 the Lamb is specifically mentioned separate from "every created thing", therefore He can't be created, right? Or else He would also be worshiping, instead of the object of worship.
The Lamb is not the word, different roles and functions With that said, the Lamb of God was brought into being through death and resurrection of YHWH's own blood - that is to say, perfection In addition to this, the quality of worship given to the Lamb and God is not the worship due to God alone, as that worship is identified in Rev 4, and is specific to the Most High God who's will is done - see; 𝙸𝚜𝚊𝚒𝚊𝚑 𝟺𝟺.𝟸𝟺
John 1:18 No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known. ..... Isaiah's Vision of the Lord6 In the year that King Uzziah died I saw the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up; and the train[a] of his robe filled the temple. 2 Above him stood the seraphim. Each had six wings: with two he covered his face, and with two he covered his feet, and with two he flew. 3 And one called to another and said: He saw Jesus remember no one has seen God ever.
Quran chapter 25.: 1 " ""Blessed is He who sent down the Criterion (Quran)) upen His Servant ( Mohammed ) that may be to the worlds a warn. "" He to whom belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth and who has not taken a Son and has not had a partner in dominion and has created each thing and determined it witch precise determination. """ But They have taken besides Him gods which create nothing while they are created and possess not for them selves any harm or benefit and possessnot ( power to cause) death or life or resurrection"""""""
@@johnbee1069 Quran chapter 25.: 1 " ""Blessed is He who sent down the Criterion (Quran)) upen His Servant ( Mohammed ) that may be to the worlds a warn. "" He to whom belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth and who has not taken a Son and has not had a partner in dominion and has created each thing and determined it witch precise determination. """ But They have taken besides Him gods which create nothing while they are created and possess not for them selves any harm or benefit and possessnot ( power to cause) death or life or resurrection"""""""
@@johnbee1069 AMEN, to that statement!! They also twist and turn the SCRIPTURES like a pretzel, in order to make Christ Jesus GOD ALMIGHTY, which the BIBLE does NOT teach.
Johnny... Hallelujah.. So true... That is hard for some people... But the bible is in a level of 1st grade comprehension.. Many can read it but hard for them to comprehend.. Life
Debra Tefs True--people can read the Bible but their comprehension limits them. Many people have a re-concieved idea--their mind is already made up---before they start a study, There ---IS--only one Gospel-therefore there is only on interpedtation of that Gospel. There are aproxminately 1500 differant Chrisitan belief systems.They can't all be correct.
Johnny - That is so true.. There is so many different belief they all cant be correct... But Jesus did say.. in JOHN 4 ----21 “Woman,” Jesus replied, “believe me, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. 22 You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews. 23 Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. 24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”25 The woman said, “I know that Messiah” (called Christ) “is coming. When he comes, he will explain everything to us...................Look at (23) Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. ... Jesus spelled out his ' TIME IS COMING ..AND NOW HAS... COME..... WHEN THE ...TRUE.....WORSHIPPERS.. WILL WORSHIP..... THE FATHER .... IN THE SPIRIT .....IN THE TRUTH.... HOW MANY TODAY WORSHIP THE FATHER LIKE JESUS DID? SEE JEUSS IDENTIFY HIMSELF AS ONE THE FIRST WHEN HE SAID 'NOW'' COME WHEN THE TRUE WORSHIPERS..... WILL WORSHIP THE FATHER.... LOOK... IF YOU ARENRT WORSHIPING THE FATHER THEN YOU ARENT THE TRUE WORSHIPERS LIKE JESUS SAID... LIFE
Debra Tefs Sooooo ----It makes no differance who siad what in the Bible---it's ALL very important and WE certainly a must DO IT. Worshiping the Father ----yes---but that is ot all Jesus said to do.
1. JWs believe that some of them are part of 144.000 people who will go to heaven, but the Bible clearly says those 144k are from 12 tribes of Israel (each tribe consists of 12.000; hence,12 x 12.000 = 144k) so those must be Jews!! Revelation 7:1-8 2. Failed prophecies after another, shouldn’t JWs be False Prophets?? Deuteronomy 18:22 3. JWs is not a church!! It’s is highly a secret society, therefore the call themselves Watcher Tower Society !!!!
@@icanimprove8930 Thanks for that - that was most helpful. It would appear that the JW's believe that these tribes are not fleshly Israel, but moreso, an organization of tribes through adoption in Christ. With that said, have you considered this belief and if so, what was your take on their particular interpretation?
What Must We Do To Be Saved? JESUS CHRIST IS THE ANSWER... In view of who Christ is and what He has done for us on the cross, it is our responsibility to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ (Acts 16:30-31; John 3:16,18,36). This means we must come to Christ (John 6:35-37) and receive Him as our personal Saviour and Lord (John 1:12; Romans 6:23), realizing and believing the following facts: The Lord Jesus is the only Saviour (Acts 4:12; John 10:9; 14:6). There is no salvation apart from Him. The Lord Jesus died and rose again for our salvation (1 Thessalonians 4:14; 1 Corinthians 15:3-4; Romans 10:9). The Lord Jesus is able to save us (Hebrews 7:25; Isaiah 59:1; Matthew 19:24-26). The Lord Jesus is willing to save us (John 6:37; compare 1 Timothy 2:4) The Lord Jesus will save us if we trust Him and Him alone as our Saviour (John 3:16).
Don't forget that no prayers can be heard by the father unless they go through the son. And using the name of God (Jehovah) is critical to be heard by god.
Galatians 1:1 {Father raised Jesus from dead} Paul, an apostle, not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead; John 2:19-21 {Jesus raised himself from dead} Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days.” They replied, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and you are going to raise it in three days?” But the temple he had spoken of was his body. Matthew 26:61 and declared, “This fellow said, ‘I am able to destroy the temple of God and rebuild it in three days.’” Romans 8:11 {Holy Spirit raised Jesus from the dead} But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. Acts 3:26 {God raised Son from the dead} Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities. Thessalonians 1:10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come. Hebrews 13:20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant, Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
"WHEN READING MARK 24:32-36" Look up Hebrew marriage customs. The bride does not know when the groom will come. [28] So Jesus said to them, “When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am HE, and that >>I do nothing on my own authority, but speak just as the Father taught me. (John 8:28 ESV)>he said to him, “Lord, you know everything;
Proof #13 The Son is God and Man KNOWS DAY AND HOUR, DOES NOT KNOW DAY AND HOUR Objection on the Deity of the Son: Mark 13:32 New King James Version 32 “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. God is Omniscient; He knows all things. The Son does not know the day and the hour of his coming to restore the kingdom; therefore, he can not be God. The Son is God and Man. 100% God and 100% Man. When he said that he does not know the day and the hour of his coming to restore the kingdom; he is talking in respect of his humanity. He is saying that no angels or humans, including himself as human, know it. Now, the question is: Is the Son being God knows the day and the hour of his coming to restore the kingdom? The answer to that is yes. Acts 1:6-7 New King James Version 6 Therefore, when they had come together, they asked Him, saying, “Lord, will You at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?” 7 And He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has put in His own authority. Take note: The Son said, "It is not for you to know times or seasons." He did not say, "It is not for us to know times or seasons." By not including himself, he is implying that he does know the day and the hour of his coming to restore the kingdom. Are there other verses that would prove that Jesus is Omniscient? Yes John 21:17 New King James Version 17 He said to him the third time, “Simon, son of Jonah, do you love Me?” Peter was grieved because He said to him the third time, “Do you love Me?” And he said to Him, “Lord, You know all things; You know that I love You.” Jesus said to him, “Feed My sheep. John 16:30 New King James Version 30 Now we are sure that You know all things, and have no need that anyone should question You. By this we believe that You came forth from God.” JESUS' DIVINITY - KNOWS DAY AND HOUR JESUS' HUMANITY - DOES NOT KNOW DAY AND HOUR
2:38:35 Firstborn or First created? Colossians 1:15 - ‘the firstborn (Greek: prototokos 4416) of every creature’. JWs use this verse to teach that Jesus was created at a point in time as an angel. They ignore the evidence and insist that the word ‘firstborn’ here means ‘first created’, ‘the eldest in Jehovah’s family of sons’. The Bible teaching: 1) ‘Firstborn’ (Greek: prototokos) does NOT mean ‘first-created’ (Greek: protoktisis). First-created (Protoktisis) is never used of Christ in New Testament. Question:Where is it used of Jesus in New Testament? Question: Why didn’t Paul use the term ‘first-created’ (protoktisis) in Colossians 1:15 if he meant that Christ was the first one created by Jehovah? 2) Ask: What does ‘firstborn’ (Greek: prototokos 4416) mean? Answer: ‘Pre-eminent, Ruler, Sovereign, First in rank’. It is used in other passages which refer to Christ: i. Romans 8:29 ‘that he might be the firstborn among many brethren’. ‘Prototokos’ presents Christ as the pre-eminent member of the group (S. Zodhiates NT, p 1249). ii. Colossians 1:15. ‘The firstborn of every creature’ Christ is the one pre-eminent and supreme ruler over all creation (S Zodhiates NT, p 1250). v.16 ‘By him were all things created’ means that Christ Himself is not part of Creation (John 1:3). iii. Colossians 1:18 ‘He (Christ) is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning (arche), the firstborn (prototokos=Ruler) from the dead; that in all things he might have the pre-eminence (proteuon)’. ‘Arche’ means ‘first cause’ (Revelation 3:14, Colossians 1:18) and is parallel to ‘prototokos’ in Colossians 1:15,18, both asserting Christ’s pre-eminence. Note: ‘Proteuon’ (pre-eminence) present tense is used only in Colossians 1:18 and indicates not an acquired right to be ruler and pre-eminent, but an inherent right by virtue of His nature. Christ, being the Creator, deserves to have pre-eminence. iv. Hebrews 1:6 ‘And again, when he bringeth the firstbegotten(prototokos=Ruler) into the world, he saith ‘And let all the angels of God worship Him’. Alternately, translate this as ‘And when He again brings the firstborn into the world’, refers to Christ’s second coming when Christ as King will be worshipped by the angels. Christ is exalted even above all the angels. v. Revelation 1:5 ‘And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the firstbegotten (prototokos=Ruler) of the dead, and the prince (arche = chief) of the kings of the earth.’ Here ‘prototokos’ means that Christ is first of those to be resurrected, and prince (arche) means ruler of earth’s kings at His second coming. Note: JWs compare Christ as the firstborn of all creation with the firstborn son of Pharaoh. This is nonsensical, because it is true that Pharaoh parented his son, but it is not true that ‘all creation’ parented Jesus. 3) We must understand what the original speaker or writer intended by the words which he used. The ancient Hebrews used the term ‘firstborn son’ when referring to the preeminent son, regardless of whether or not he was the first son born to the parents. The son with the title ‘firstborn’ had the right of primogeniture which meant that: i) He acquired a special blessing (Genesis 27); ii) He became heir of a double share of the father’s wealth (Deuteronomy 21:17); iii) He replaced his father as the family head. He had authority over his brothers; iv) He represented the father in civil and religious matters; v) He had some holiness because through him flowed the common blood of the tribe (Genesis 49:3; Deuteronomy 21:17). Key: The term ‘firstborn’ does not refer to the first one born, but to the pre-eminent one in the family. Consider these examples where the son with the title ‘firstborn’ was not born first: (1) David was the last born son of Jesse, yet Psalm 89:27 says of him: ‘Also I will make him my firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth’. (v.20 onwards refers to David). (2) Ephraim was the second born son of Joseph: ‘The name of the second called he Ephraim.’ (Genesis 41:50-52). Yet ‘Ephraim is my firstborn’ (Jeremiah 31:9). This was because of his pre-eminent position. Manasseh was born first to Joseph, but Ephraim became the firstborn because of his pre-eminence. (3) Jacob (Israel) was the second son born to Isaac, after Esau, yet God says of Israel, ‘Israel is my son, even my firstborn.’ (Exodus 4:22). Esau says of himself, ‘I am Esau thy firstborn’. (Genesis 27:19). Esau means that he was born first and should have the birthright. God means that Israel, though born second, took the pre-eminent position. Hence, in this sense Christ is firstborn because of His pre-eminence, not because He was created first as JWs think. (4) Solomon was born to David later, and the line of the kings came through Solomon,yet Amnon was born first (I Chronicles 3:2). (5) Isaac was born 13 years after Ishmael, yet Isaac took the pre-eminent position in the family.(Genesis 17:19). (6) Judah was the fourth son born to Jacob (Genesis 29:35), yet Judah received the dominion and line of Christ, even though Reuben being born first forfeited his right of primogeniture due to fornication (Genesis 49:3,4) 4) Firstborn can be rendered metaphorically, not meaning born first. Examples include: i) Job 18:13 ‘the firstborn of death shall devour his strength’. As the firstborn son held the chief place, so Job refers to the chiefest (most deadly) disease that death possessed; ii) Isaiah 14:30 ‘The firstborn of the poor shall feed’, means the poorest of the poor. Conclusion: Firstborn does not mean born first or created first. Rather, it is a title of first rank, or pre-eminent position. Paul calls Christ the firstborn (prototokos = Ruler). Ask: What does Psalm 89:27 mean by calling David firstborn, when he was the last born son? Ask: Why didn’t Paul use ‘first created’ (protoktisis) of Christ in Colossians 1:15 if he intended to teach that Christ was the first one created by Jehovah? Reprinted with permission from Pastor Keith Piper. www.keithpiper.org/ Dean. www.calvarystudy.info calvary-study.blogspot.com/
>>> *John **6:45* ~ "Everyone who hears what *The Father says* and learns from Him, **COMES TO ME, JESUS**." Have you heard and learned from *"JEHOVAH"*?.. Have you come to *JESUS CHRIST* and placed your Faith in **Him** for your salvation, like *"JEHOVAH"* has commanded??... Or is your faith placed in an *"organization"* of men falsely claiming to be representing God?
As it is nowhere written that an Archangel is making such a statement, it would appear that you are presenting a strawman argument. Having said that, from what Bible reasoning would you conclude that only God Almighty can say "I am the light of the world"?
@@JuanLopez-rl7ry Only God is Holy by Nature; meaning, He is sinless and will not sin. Angels can sin; look at Lucifer and the 1/3 of them who are Fallen... ONLY GOD CAN BE THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD...
rawbrutaltruth Firstborn does not mean first-created. We must go the to Greek to get the full meaning in context. Greek word for "Firstborn" is PROTOTOKOS meaning first in rank, heir, supremacy and preeminent one. The Greek word for "First-created" is PROTOKTISIS. Different Greek word. "Firstborn" does not mean first-created in the Colossian text. Ex. King David was (last born) son Jesse, yet called "firstborn" Psalms 89:27 (Preeminent) When we read Colossian Chap 1 in its entirety, the full correct interpretation comes clear. (Col. 1:15-18) For by HIM were ALL THINGS created, that are in heaven (including stars, angelic armies), & that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by HIM, and for him; And HE is BEFORE ALL THINGS, and by him ALL THINGS CONSIST.."firstborn" from the dead; that in ALL THINGS he might have the PREEMINENCE.
Letdtruth bknown That wasn't the question robot. If I wanted to speak with a robot I would go to an Assembly Hall and buy one. Why are you being disobedient to your discreet and slave?
Letdtruth bknown Why does Jehovah refer to “David my servant” as firstborn, when David was not a firstborn son? In Psalm 89 Jehovah refers to “David my servant” and reviews the covenant for the kingdom that was made with him. In the midst of this is the statement: “I myself shall place him as firstborn, the most high of the kings of the earth.” (Ps 89:20, 27) David was not a firstborn son. (1Ch 2:13-15) So it seems that Jehovah was referring prophetically to the one foreshadowed by David, God’s own “firstborn” Son in heaven upon whom He confers kingship more exalted than that of any human ruler.-Compare Eze 34:24, where Messiah is spoken of as “my servant David.”
Letdtruth bknown Your discreet and slave teaches that Firstborn does not mean First Created..... Uh oh.... What to do now? So what does First Born mean in your own article? Why are you being disobedient to your discreet and slave?
Just a stupid remark: The JWs are 'right' in every way! Jesus did die on the 'torture stake', The Word is 'A' God, the Bible is 'wrong' in many ways so it should be re-written, re-interpretated and that is why the JW published the NWT, despite the many other translations in English, all 'incorrect' of course according JW.. I don't know whether Russell did the retransaltion, but I know that he didn't know Greek. So . . . the JW is 'right' in all their doings (my foot!)
As Bibles are translations of scripture, it is the scripture from which Bibles are translated that are the authoritative text rather than Bibles. That said, I don't think the translation of 'a God', is as big an issue as people tend to make it, as we read of the son anointed to the throne, and who is identified as a God with a GOD above Him.
@@smalltimer4370 Bible truth vs JWs error filled "truth"? "Jehovah's Witnesses, in their eagerness for Jesus' second coming, *have suggested dates that turned out to be incorrect."* Awake 1993 Mar 22 page4 *Jehovah’s Witnesses have had wrong expectations about when the end would come.* Jan 1, 2013 Watchtower (Yes, expectations with false dates!) "Does this admission of making mistakes stamp them [Jehovah's Witnesses] as false prophets? Not at all, for false prophets do not admit to making mistakes." Watchtower, Nov. 1, 1972, page 644 - in brackets added (any scriptures for this "admitting to mistakes" means they aren't false teachings, false prophecies?) Admitting to making false prophecies doesn't magically change them, they are still Bible defined false prophecies (Deut 18:20-22) Very poor reasoning, probably why JWs "suggested dates" and went beyond and added to scripture. "suggested dates, wrong expectations" in God's name? yes, these ARE false prophecies from the Jehovah Witness Organization. God's channel of communications, his voice on earth, God's mouthpiece, JWs? Nope, just a false religion!
JESUS CLAIMED TO BE YHWH I AM Jesus claimed to be "I AM" (Jn 8:24,28,58; 13:19; 18:5-6). The "I am he" in the original Greek of those verses is ego eimi - "I am" - with no "he". In the Greek Old Testament (Septuagint or LXX) ego eimi - "I AM" - is the self-designation of YHWH (Ex 3:14-15; Dt 32:39; Isa. 41:4; 43:10; 46:4; 52:6). In particular, Jesus claimed to be YHWH in His statements that, "Before Abraham was born, I am [ego eimi]" (Jn 8:58 ESV), and "unless you believe that I am [ego eimi - no "he"] ... you will die in your sins" (Jn 8:24 ESV). Likewise, Jesus also claimed to be YHWH when He walked on the stormy sea and told the disciples in their sinking boat to, "Take heart; it is I" (ego eimi - "I AM") (Mt 14:23-27; Mk 6:47-50; Jn 6:16-20 ESV). Shepherd Jesus claimed to be "the Good Shepherd" (Jn 10:11,14). Jesus is the "Great Shepherd of the sheep," "the Shepherd," "the Chief Shepherd" (Heb 13:20; 1Pet 2:25; 5:4; Rev 7:17). But YHWH is the Shepherd of His sheep (Ps 23:1; Isa 40:10-11; Eze 34:15). First and Last Jesus claimed to be "the first and the last" (Rev 1:17-18; 2:8; 22:13,16). But YHWH is the first and the last (Isa 41:4; 44:6; 48:12,17). And there cannot be two "the first and the lasts! Jesus also claimed to be "the Alpha and the Omega" (Rev 21:6; 22:13). But "the Lord God ... the Almighty" is "the Alpha and the Omega" (Rev 1:8).
41 These things Isaiah said because he saw His glory, and he spoke of Him.(Jesus) 42 Nevertheless many even of the rulers believed in Him, but because of the Pharisees they were not confessing Him, for fear that they would be put out of the synagogue;(John 12:41-42 NASB) When did Isaiah see Jesus? And it came to pass in the year that king Uzziah died, I saw the Lordsitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and the house was full of His glory. 2And round about Him stood seraphims: the one had six wings, and the otherhad six wings; and with twain they covered their face, and with twain they covered their feet, and with twain they did fly.3And they cried one to another, and said, Holy, holy, holy is the Lord of Sabaoth: the whole earth is full of His glory.4And the lintel was lifted up at the voice wherewith they did cry; and the house was filled with smoke.5Then said I, O wretch that I am, for I am pricked to the heart; because I am a man, and have unclean lips, and I dwellin the midst of a people which have unclean lips: and with mine eyes have I seen the King, the Lord of Sabaoth.(Isaiah 6:1-5 Septuigant) That's when Isaiah saw Jesus.
TeamPlayer2054 "RIGHTEOUSNESS" from GOD comes through faith “ALONE” in "JESUS CHRIST" to "ALL" who "BELIEVE". (Rom. 3:22) "SALVATION" is based wholly on GOD’s unmerited favor (GRACE), not on the believer’s performance. Good works are the fruit, not the basis of salvation. (Eph. 2:8-10; Titus 3:4-8). Obedience to rules as a requirement for salvation nullifies the gospel. (Gal. 2:16-21; Col. 2:20-23) So Team, stop trying to sell and propagandizing your watch tower literature into recruiting them into the organization because Jesus Christ said "I AM the Way, and the Truth and the Life, No one comes to the Father except by ME" (John 14:6) and not the watch tower. >>If you want to help lead people to Christ Jesus Alone.
It's interesting how Stafford says from 1:29:10 "... that he so perfectly reflects God's will and attributes, and that I should look to him and give him my respect and worship..." and so on... It's interesting because when the Anti-Christ comes, he'll come in the character of the Jewish Messiah performing all sorts of signs and miracles that only God in the OT performed, and in his own heart trying to make himself THE LIKENESS OF God. With Stafford's theology, Satan has achieved that opening with JW's, and all he has to do is put on a show of power for them to believe it.
Acts 16:7 says, “When they had come down to Mysia, they tried to go into Bithynia, and the Spirit of Jesus did not allow them.” The interchangeable use of the Spirit of Jesus with the Holy Spirit in Acts 16:6 reveals that the Spirit of Jesus is the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is a general title of the Spirit of God in the New Testament. The Spirit of Jesus is a particular expression concerning the Spirit of God and refers to the Spirit of the incarnated Savior who, as Jesus in His humanity, passed through human living and death on the cross. This indicates that in the Spirit of Jesus there is not only the divine element of God but also the human element and the elements of His human living and His suffering of death as well. Such an all-inclusive Spirit was needed by Paul in his preaching ministry, a ministry of suffering among human beings and for human beings in the human life.
@@sheld803 You're citing a known Bible corruption however; ἐλθόντες κατὰ τὴν Μυσίαν ἐπείραζον κατὰ τὴν Βιθυνίαν πορεύεσθαι· καὶ οὐκ εἴασεν αὐτοὺς τὸ πνεῦμα - Stephanus Textus Receptus 1550 ἐλθόντες κατὰ τὴν Μυσίαν ἐπείραζον κατὰ τὴν Βιθυνίαν πορεύεσθαι· καὶ οὐκ εἴασεν αὐτοὺς τὸ Πνεῦμα· - Textus Receptus 1894 ἐλθόντες κατὰ τὴν Μυσίαν ἐπείραζον κατὰ τὴν Βιθυνίαν πορεύεσθαι· καὶ οὐκ εἴασεν αὐτοὺς τὸ Πνεῦμα. - Greek Orthodox Church ἐλθόντες κατὰ τὴν Μυσίαν ἐπείραζον κατὰ τὴν Βιθυνίαν πορεύεσθαι· καὶ οὐκ εἴασεν αὐτοὺς τὸ πνεῦμα· - RP Byzantine Majority Text 2005 The oldest NT manuscripts do not say "spirit of Jesus," as these words were added in later manuscripts. With that said, it is however remarkable just how many proof-text are actually based on corrupt Bible passages.
*TO "JW's"* .… Yes “JW’s”.. I do understand that being called a “Jehovah’s Witness” gives you a sense of *identity* … And I understand that being told *only “JW’s”* have access to God and any hope for Eternal Life makes you feel very *“SPECIAL”*, even proud…. But *all* cult leaders tell their followers that very same thing, that *THEY ALONE* have access to God.. And this is done intentionally to make you feel “SPECIAL” by being in the group/cult, and likewise, to make you feel *“godless”* or even *“destined for destruction”* if you leave the group/cult… All of this is Cultic *mind control*. But as we see in the verses below, God makes *”NO DISTINCTION”** for particular cults/groups/organizations… Access to God and Eternal Life is *equally available* to **ALL** people *everywhere* who'll Repent and place their Faith in what **JESUS CHRIST** did for us when He died and paid for our sins. >>> *Romans **3:22**-25* ~ “This Salvation from God comes through *FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST* to **ALL** who Believe **THERE IS NO DISTINCTION** because ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, and we are saved *Freely* by His *Grace* through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus, **THROUGH OUR FAITH IN JESUS BLOOD**.” >>> *John **6:40* ~ “My Father’s will is that **EVERYONE** who **LOOKS TO JESUS** and Believes in Him shall have Eternal Life, and **I, JESUS**, shall raise him up at the last day.” >>> *John **3:36* ~ "Whoever Believes in **JESUS** *HAS* Everlasting Life.” I pray you all repent and place your Faith in *JESUS CHRIST Himself*, and not in any cult/group/organization that falsely claims *EXCLUSIVE Access* to God. .
@Truth seeker -- Stop with the "Trinity/Christmas" deflection. That does NOT make the Watchtower's false prophet cult "organization" belong to God. --- Also, you do NOT read the Bible. Your beliefs come from Watchtower's self-promoting propaganda PUBLICATIONS that grossly distort what the Holy Bible actually says about your salvation being through faith in JESUS CHRIST, NOT through belonging to the Watchtower cult. And yes, you DO believe in the cult "organization" for your salvation. In fact, you believe the Watchtower LIE that a people MUST belong to their "organization" to have access to God and to have eternal life. --- And you MUST obey the "governing body" without question to their authority or you will be "disfellowshiped." -- So, in essence, the false prophet "governing body" is your God. .
JESUS IS YHWH Abraham your father rejoiced greatly at the prospect of seeing my day, and he saw it and rejoiced.” (John 8:56 NWT) Jehovah appeared.......When he (Abraham) saw them, he ran from the entrance of the tent to meet them, and he bowed down to the ground. Then he said: “Jehovah, if I have found favor in your eyes, please do not pass by your servant. (Gen. 18:1-3 NWT) ******************************************************************************************* Eagle, when did Abraham ever saw Michael the Archangel and rejoiced seeing his day? ;) FOOD FOR THOUGHT
Jesse, you do know that it was not Jehovah himself who appeared to Abraham but rather, that he was represented by three angels, right? The book of Hebrews later on tells us, "Do not forget toshow hospitality to strangers, for by so doing some people have shown hospitality to angels without knowing it." - Hebrews 13:12 That is not a "weak argument", it is no argument at all. This account in no way proves the trinity anymore than saying Abraham, Isaac and Jacaob represented Jehovah.
I am amazed at how Trinitarians contradict their own Trinity doctrine. Jesus is NOT YHWH. YHWH (Jehovah/Yahweh) is the Father. Jesus is the Son! "For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) But to us there is but *one God, the Father,* of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him." 1 Cor 8:5,6 *Who is the one, God out of many gods? There is NOT one scripture stating the Son and HS is included with the one God.*
[29] Then Jacob asked him, “Please tell me your name.” But he said, “Why is it that you ask my name?” And there he blessed him. [30] So Jacob called the name of the place Peniel, saying, “For I have seen God face to face, and yet my life has been delivered.” (Genesis 32:29-30 ESV) If Jdubs say this was not God that wrestled with Jacob then why does he address him in prayer. [14] And Israel stretched out his right hand and laid it on the head of Ephraim, who was the younger, and his left hand on the head of Manasseh, crossing his hands (for Manasseh was the firstborn). [15] And he blessed Joseph and said, “The God before whom my fathers Abraham and Isaac walked, the God who has been my shepherd all my life long to this day, [16] the angel who has redeemed me from all evil, bless the boys; and in them let my name be carried on, and the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac; and let them grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth.” (Genesis 48:14-16 ESV) As you can see the trinity was hinted in the bible sense Genesis
***** I'm sure you have researched this a lot.Once you look a little more into this you will find that Genesis was written in Hebrew not Greek.The text says God.
The best lie is a mix of truth and fiction. Christianity claims they base their belief on the Bible, the do so, but they assume the 'Bible' is the mix of the Jewish Bible which is Torah (5 Books of Moses + Tanakh) AND the New Testament. Only the Judaism which bases on the true Scriptures can claim they're based on 'The Bible', not Christianity or whoever else with their made-up 'scriptures'. Judaism even acknoledges Jesus as he taught for the Torah, not against it. It's the people who've elevated Jesus to the level of G-d, especially Paul, which Christianity is mostly based on. In essence, Christians are not Christians, they're Paulians, or Shaulians, or followers of Paul, NOT Jesus. Because the proof is overwhelming that Jesus preached to follow Torah and G-d's laws/commandments. Even the notion that G-d would commit adultery and impregnate a married woman (yes, Mary was already married to Joseph) which is a SIN, is preposterous! G-d cannot break his own commandments against adultery and impregnate a married woman... what?! does He now deserve to be stoned to death? According to the Commandments? Deut 22:22 Plus, Jesus cannot be a King due to Curse of Jechoniah, Jeremiah 22. Demand to blindly 'believe!!!' is illogical and fails under scrutiny and study of the 'Real Bible' - the Jewish Bible. Do your research before you go believe blindly anything you hear that sounds good and sounds like an easy 'fix'. And yes, sin is NOT only forgiven by blood sacrafice only, as mentioned only in Hebrews. Blood is NOT required for forgiveness of sin, but repentance. Again, do your research instead of following these wind-teachings :) Shalom.
The bible is clear about the identity of Jesus The demons themselves recognized Jesus’ identity and addressed him as the “Son of God,” in ( Matthew 8:29) And look! they screamed, saying: “What have we to do with you, Son of God? Did you come here to torment us before the appointed time? “ Good job Mr Stafford
+kilyn12 hi Kilyn my name is Angelo the one who originally posted this TH-cam video. I hope you and your family are doing well. yes Jesus is equal with God the Father. BC in Philippians chapter 2 verse 6 the Greek word ISA which means equal an even better qualities this and other verses of the Bible teaches that Jesus shares in all of the communicable and non-communicable attributes of the father. no power in verse 6 of Philippians chapter 2 that Jesus has no beginning he subsisted in the form of God. the Greek word for subsistence is HUPARKON. if you read verse 7 to see what I like to call nature 2 or nature B of Christ. Jehovah's Witnesses do not understand that the Logos has two nature nature A and nature B. or nature one and nature 2. nature one is his essential original nature which of course is eternal. however Kilyn Christ added an additional nature that of a Slave for the Greek word DOULOS. in John Chapter 5 Verse 18 we read that Jesus made himself equal to God that is the Greek word ISOS in our day this work may seem funny but in Greek it simply means equal it is the same word found in Revelation chapter 21 verse 16 where we read about the dimensions of the city being equal. please go to my new channel on TH-cam and you will get teachings that will help you further just go to Angelo K Rucci Quinones. I just recently made this Channel about a few weeks ago also you can call me by dialing 917-200-4002 many have called me who viewed this debate of James White I have received hundreds of telephone calls both of JW's and Christians the ministry that I have found it I am Ministries is geared to teach Christian's how to answer any group about the deity of Christ and all other things and the ministry is geared to help those who are not Christians. the answer's always will come from the Living Word of God based on the Hebrew and Greek manuscripts. may God be praised thank you Kilyn. May God bless you and your family
*GOD MAKES “NO DISTINCTION” for saving “JW’s.”* Salvation is granted to **ALL** people who Repent and turns to JESUS, by Faith in His Blood. >>> Rom 3:22-25 ~ "This Salvation from God comes through *FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST* to **ALL** who Believe.. **THERE IS NO DISTINCTION** because *ALL* have Sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, and are saved Freely by His GRACE through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.. *THROUGH OUR FAITH IN JESUS BLOOD*.”
VAlO294 The Apostle John wrote that denying Jesus is God is "antichrist" which is what the Watchtower Bible and Tract society (JW) do.....they are "antichristian" in doctrine.
*TO ALL “JW’s”* …. I keep seeing your comments saying, *“Jesus is NOT Almighty God.. The Father is Almighty God and Jesus is The SON of God.”* ... You believe this distinction you’re stating between The Father and The Son somehow makes your Watchtower god be *“Almighty God”* by default... But it *DOES NOT!* Unless your “god” is directing you to *GO TO JESUS* for your Salvation, your “god” is *NOT* the “Almighty God” of the Holy Bible even despite the distinction you are stating between The Father and The Son. Believing that *"Jesus is NOT Almighty God but he is the Son of God"* will NOT, NOT. NOT, NOT give you or anyone else access to God and Eternal Life. Repentance and Faith in what JESUS CHRIST did for us when He died and paid for our Sins is what saves a person from their Sins and gives us Eternal Life. And understand this also…. The person who repents and *GOES TO JESUS* for their salvation IS ACCEPTED BY GOD *even if they believe “Jesus is Almighty God” or even if they believe that “Jesus and The Father are the same person“*, and *even if they agree with the Trinity doctrine* … That’s right!... If they *GO TO JESUS* by Faith in him, they are FORGIVEN of their Sins and *THEY ARE ACCEPTED by God* while YOU continue to be *separated* from God by your sins because you are looking to an “ORGANIZATION” for your salvation instead of looking to the Savior JESUS CHRIST. And again.. I tell you these things as a person who *has been SENT by Jesus Christ Himself.* >>> *John **6:45* ~ "Everyone who hears what The Father says and learns from Him, **COMES TO ME, JESUS**." >>> *John **6:40* ~ “The Father’s will is that *Everyone* who **LOOKS TO JESUS** and Believes in Him shall have Eternal Life, and **I, JESUS**, shall raise him up at the last day.” >>> *Matt **11:28* ~ " *COME TO ME, JESUS*, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest." . .
We accept Jesus the debate is constructive to understand the correct identity of Jehovah and Jesus the relationship about the essence of divinity or divine essence
@@InvestigadorTJ --- No, you *reject* Jesus as your Savior by falsely believing your salvation is through the Watchtower Corporation's *"ORGANIZATION."* -- That Watchtower false teaching is *antichrist.*
VAIO294 no we are Christian Witnesses of Jah, we don’t accept traditions of men and the idea that salvation is THRu an organization... we believe that it is thru JESUS and him only because that’s how the Father decided it a such
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@@InvestigadorTJ --- The *evidence* proves that you are *NOT* "Christian Witnesses of Jah." ---- Take a look at these Watchtower quotes below. The Watchtower's false message that people *MUST* belong to its *“ORGANIZATION”* to have salvation is the *Satanic lie* that’s at the very *foundation* of the JWs antichrist cult. . >>> _“You _*_MUST_*_ be part of Jehovah’s _*_ORGANIZATION,_*_ doing God's will, in order to receive his blessing of _*_EVERLASTING LIFE (salvation).”_* ~ ( You Can live Forever Book (1982, 1990, p.255 ) . >>> _"A third _*_REQUIREMENT_*_ (for SALVATION) is that we be associated with God's channel, his _*_ORGANIZATION.”_* ~ (Watchtower, Feb 15, 1983, pg. 12 ) . >>> _"But if we were to draw away from Jehovah's "ORGANIZATION* there would be no place else to go for _*_SALVATION."_* ~ (Watchtower Sept 15, 1993, pg.22 ) . >>> _"…identifying themselves with Jehovah’s _*_ORGANIZATION_*_ is _*_ESSENTIAL_*_ to their _*_SALVATION."_* ~ (Our Kingdom Ministry, 11/1990, pg. 1) . >>> _"And while now the witness yet includes the invitation to _*_come to Jehovah's ORGANIZATION for SALVATION."_* ~ (Watchtower 1981 Nov. 15 pg.21 ) . >>> _".. to leave Jehovah's _*_ORGANIZATION_*_ ... we would _*_LOSE*not only the privilege of doing God's will but also *he hope of life in God's new world."_* ~ (Watchtower 2016 Jun study ed p.26) . As we can see by the above quotes, the Watchtower is definitely an antichrist cult that gives people a *worthless faith* in an *“organization”* that can *NOT* save you nor anyone else -- which is Satan’s antichrist agenda. --- The WT is *IMPUTING Salvation to its "ORGANIZATION,"* which is IDOLATRY and a *rejection* of JESUS CHRIST as your Savior! . Yes, the Watchtower Corporation's Board of Directors (GB) has REPLACED *Faith in JESUS CHRIST* for salvation (like the Bible says), with the Satanic *lie* of: Salvation through its *“ORGANIZATION.“* .
VAIO294 again we don’t abide by The Watchtower.. it sounds like you have no knowledge of the CWJ. We are JWs who have rejected the traditions of men we don’t see the “governing body” as authoritative as the Bible or the pope for the Roman Catholics... these quotes would apply if I was a Watchtower witness and NOT a Christian Witness of Jah! Salvation thru Jesus alone. We recognize the three things Yahowah as God, Jesus as his son who died for our sins and treat others how we want to be treated. A part from that we are not directed by a leader or authority... We even acknowledge that their are other groups that identified Jah and the means do salvation thru a person and NOT thru an organization, we DOnt claim to know everything but we go towards what is the best available reasons for our faith. WE are Christians Witnesses of JAH יהרה
Not sure if that was a genuine JW. JWs do not debate on public forums. 2 Timothy 2:23 Further, reject foolish and ignorant debates, knowing that they produce fights.
[25] “I, I am he who blots out your transgressions for my own sake, and I will not remember your sins. [26] Put me in remembrance; let us argue together; set forth your case, that you may be proved right. (Isaiah 43:25-26 ESV) [24] I told you that you would die in your sins, for unless you believe that I am he you will die in your sins.” (John 8:24 ESV) [13] waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, (Titus 2:13 ESV)
A voice of one calling out in the wilderness: “Clear up* the way of Jehovah!+ Make a straight highway+ through the desert for our God.+(Isaiah 40:3 nwt) He said: “I am a voice of someone crying out in the wilderness, ‘Make the way of Jehovah* straight,’+ just as Isaiah the prophet said.”+(John 1:23 nwt) Look! I am sending my messenger, and he will clear up* a way before me.+ And suddenly the true Lord, whom you are seeking, will come to his temple;+ and the messenger of the covenant will come, in whom you take delight. Look! He will certainly come,” says Jehovah of armies.(Malachi 3:1 nwt) How many times should I see proof that Jesus is Jehovah before I believe it?
Mat 18:12-14. ''What do You think? If a man has a hundred sheep,and one of them goes astray,does he not leave the Ninety-nine and go to the mountains to seek the one that is straying? And if he should find it,assuredly,I say to you,he rejoices more over that sheep than over the Ninety-nine that did not go astray. Even so it is not the will of Your Father who is in Heaven that one of these little ones should Perish..... The Greatest (Most important) person in the Kingdom of Heaven,is the person that makes himself Humble,like a Child..If we don't do this We will Never enter the Kingdom of Heaven.
If we Consider what Jesus say's here,It is not the Will of Your FATHER,that any of these should perish..Is Jesus here not refering to a Higher Power than himself-The Father?
sherrie k Yes, but only as to His divine human nature . Jesus showed us the ''exeplar'' of the very servanthood and childlike nature that God the Father was pleased to dwell in.. . .
Jo Ashley I think we both will agree to this one..John 8:12. Jesus spoke again to the people,he said. ''I am the Light of the world, Whoever follows Me,Will Never walk in darkness,but will have the Light of Life''....
Jesus was already existed. Before, he took the cup. And save his creation with the father ALMIGHTY. It takes a life to save a life. My Jesus, I thank you so much! Humility, spirituality, and faith you showed me. You showed honor, respect, love, and giving your life for me. Who else, upon the dry GROUNDS. Can follow the way you did. To them, who are your true image. Blessed them father.
“Now that you have purified your souls by your obedience to the truth with unhypocritical brotherly affection as the result, love one another intensely from the heart.” (1 Pet. 1:22)
If the Watchtower organization was ever truly representing "JEHOVAH" like it claims, He would have *FULFILLED* some of it's many false prophecies for HIS OWN NAME SAKE, for the "Vindication" of His own name *JEHOVAH* that the Watchtower leaders, and it’s followers, claim to be representing. ~ (see following scripture) >>Isaiah 44:24-26 ~ “I am the LORD (JEHOVAH) the Maker of all things…who FOILS the signs of *FALSE PROPHETS* and makes fools of diviners.. Who *CARRIES OUT* the words of His servants and *FULFILLS* the predictions of His messengers.” ~ NIV Yes,, the real JEHOVAH of The Holy Bible has deliberately shown the Watchtower leaders to be LIARS and false prophets by Him NOT fulfilling a single one of the many prophecies they've falsely made in His name for over 100 years. .
IMJW1000 You posted "John 17:3" But you forgot to tell us that Christ "is the Eternal life" that became manifested to us (1st John.1:1-2) and that He is Gods Son that was given to us (John.3:16,) and prior to becoming flesh (Zechariah.2:10-13 with Philippians 2:6-8,) He shared His Fathers Glory in Heaven (John.17:5) who is also the TRUE GOD (JESUS) (1 John 5:20) Why are you a deceiver?
““You are my witnesses,” declares the Lord, “and my servant whom I have chosen, that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he. Before me no god was formed, nor shall there be any after me. I, I am the Lord, and besides me there is no savior.” Isaiah 43:10-11
Food FROM God? JWs "truth"? "Jehovah's Witnesses, in their eagerness for Jesus' second coming, *have suggested dates that turned out to be incorrect."* Awake 1993 Mar 22 page4 *Jehovah’s Witnesses have had wrong expectations about when the end would come.* Jan 1, 2013 Watchtower "Does this admission of making mistakes stamp them [Jehovah's Witnesses] as false prophets? Not at all, for false prophets do not admit to making mistakes." Watchtower, Nov. 1, 1972, page 644 - in brackets added Admitting to making false prophecies doesn't magically change them, they are Bible defined false prophecies (Deut 18:2-0-22) Very poor reasoning, probably why JWs "suggested dates" and went beyond scripture. "suggested dates, wrong expectations" ARE false prophecies. God's channel of communications, his voice on earth, God's mouthpiece, JWs? Nope just a false religion!
Before him no god was form nor after him, yet Jehovah witnesses claim that there are many gods created, Satan included (based on a bad interpretation of John 12:31) that calls Satan the god of this world. This does not mean that Satan is a god , the word god was also used to mean ruler or judge. Polytheistic is the Jehovah witness doctrine. Jehovah witnesses claim that jesus (a god) was first created, by another bad interpretation of the words “first born”. King David is called “first born” and anyone that knows the Bible, well knows that King David had OLDER BROTHERS, King David was not literally “first born”, “first born is a TITLE. Jehovah witnesses love to point out John 17:3 to claim that only the Father is the one true God. (Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, ), yet completely ignore that rest of the passage where Jesus says that him and The Father share the GLORY, (And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.), If Jesus is not the one True God, this verse would contradict Isaiah 42:8 (I am the LORD; that is my name; my glory I give to no other, nor my praise to carved idols.) Jehovah witnesses doctrine is twisted, their system is full of contradictions ( lies)
@@thereisnopandemic *RE:* Before him no god was form nor after him, yet Jehovah witnesses claim that there are many gods created... *A.* It is very important to cite Bible passages accurately, otherwise we risk contending with misinterpretation, and in some cases the very meaning of the scripture; 𝟻𝙸 𝚊𝚖 𝚈𝚊𝚑𝚠𝚎𝚑, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚛𝚎 𝚒𝚜 𝚗𝚘𝚗𝚎 𝚎𝚕𝚜𝚎. 𝙱𝚎𝚜𝚒𝚍𝚎𝚜 𝚖𝚎, 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚛𝚎 𝚒𝚜 𝚗𝚘 𝙶𝚘𝚍. 𝙸 𝚠𝚒𝚕𝚕 𝚜𝚝𝚛𝚎𝚗𝚐𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚗 𝚢𝚘𝚞, 𝚝𝚑𝚘𝚞𝚐𝚑 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚑𝚊𝚟𝚎 𝚗𝚘𝚝 𝚔𝚗𝚘𝚠𝚗 𝚖𝚎; 𝟼𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚢 𝚖𝚊𝚢 𝚔𝚗𝚘𝚠 𝚏𝚛𝚘𝚖 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚛𝚒𝚜𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝚘𝚏 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚜𝚞𝚗, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚏𝚛𝚘𝚖 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚠𝚎𝚜𝚝, 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚛𝚎 𝚒𝚜 𝚗𝚘𝚗𝚎 𝚋𝚎𝚜𝚒𝚍𝚎𝚜 𝚖𝚎. 𝙸 𝚊𝚖 𝚈𝚊𝚑𝚠𝚎𝚑, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚛𝚎 𝚒𝚜 𝚗𝚘 𝚘𝚗𝚎 𝚎𝚕𝚜𝚎. 𝟽𝙸 𝚏𝚘𝚛𝚖 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚕𝚒𝚐𝚑𝚝, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚌𝚛𝚎𝚊𝚝𝚎 𝚍𝚊𝚛𝚔𝚗𝚎𝚜𝚜. 𝙸 𝚖𝚊𝚔𝚎 𝚙𝚎𝚊𝚌𝚎, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚌𝚛𝚎𝚊𝚝𝚎 𝚌𝚊𝚕𝚊𝚖𝚒𝚝𝚢. 𝙸 𝚊𝚖 𝚈𝚊𝚑𝚠𝚎𝚑, 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝚍𝚘𝚎𝚜 𝚊𝚕𝚕 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚜𝚎 𝚝𝚑𝚒𝚗𝚐𝚜. 𝟾𝙳𝚒𝚜𝚝𝚒𝚕, 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚑𝚎𝚊𝚟𝚎𝚗𝚜, 𝚏𝚛𝚘𝚖 𝚊𝚋𝚘𝚟𝚎, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚕𝚎𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚜𝚔𝚒𝚎𝚜 𝚙𝚘𝚞𝚛 𝚍𝚘𝚠𝚗 𝚛𝚒𝚐𝚑𝚝𝚎𝚘𝚞𝚜𝚗𝚎𝚜𝚜. 𝙻𝚎𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚎𝚊𝚛𝚝𝚑 𝚘𝚙𝚎𝚗, 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚒𝚝 𝚖𝚊𝚢 𝚋𝚛𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝚏𝚘𝚛𝚝𝚑 𝚜𝚊𝚕𝚟𝚊𝚝𝚒𝚘𝚗, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚕𝚎𝚝 𝚒𝚝 𝚌𝚊𝚞𝚜𝚎 𝚛𝚒𝚐𝚑𝚝𝚎𝚘𝚞𝚜𝚗𝚎𝚜𝚜 𝚝𝚘 𝚜𝚙𝚛𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝚞𝚙 𝚠𝚒𝚝𝚑 𝚒𝚝. 𝙸, 𝚈𝚊𝚑𝚠𝚎𝚑, 𝚑𝚊𝚟𝚎 𝚌𝚛𝚎𝚊𝚝𝚎𝚍 𝚒𝚝. - 𝙸𝚜𝚊𝚒𝚊𝚑 𝟺𝟻.𝟻-𝟾 As can be seen here, YHWH's declaration rests on His identity as the source and cause of all things; 𝚃𝚑𝚞𝚜 𝚜𝚊𝚢𝚜 𝚈𝚊𝚑𝚠𝚎𝚑, 𝚢𝚘𝚞𝚛 𝚁𝚎𝚍𝚎𝚎𝚖𝚎𝚛, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚑𝚎 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝚏𝚘𝚛𝚖𝚎𝚍 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚏𝚛𝚘𝚖 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚠𝚘𝚖𝚋: "𝙸 𝚊𝚖 𝚈𝚊𝚑𝚠𝚎𝚑, 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝚖𝚊𝚔𝚎𝚜 𝚊𝚕𝚕 𝚝𝚑𝚒𝚗𝚐𝚜; 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝐚𝐥𝐨𝐧𝐞 𝚜𝚝𝚛𝚎𝚝𝚌𝚑𝚎𝚜 𝚘𝚞𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚑𝚎𝚊𝚟𝚎𝚗𝚜; 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝚜𝚙𝚛𝚎𝚊𝚍𝚜 𝚘𝚞𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚎𝚊𝚛𝚝𝚑 𝐛𝐲 𝐦𝐲𝐬𝐞𝐥𝐟; - 𝙸𝚜𝚊𝚒𝚊𝚑 𝟺𝟺.𝟸𝟺 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚢 𝚖𝚊𝚢 𝚔𝚗𝚘𝚠 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐚𝐥𝐨𝐧𝐞, 𝚠𝚑𝚘𝚜𝚎 𝚗𝚊𝚖𝚎 𝚒𝚜 𝚈𝚊𝚑𝚠𝚎𝚑, 𝚊𝚛𝚎 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝙼𝚘𝚜𝚝 𝙷𝚒𝚐𝚑 𝚘𝚟𝚎𝚛 𝚊𝚕𝚕 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚎𝚊𝚛𝚝𝚑. - 𝙿𝚜𝚊𝚕𝚖 𝟾𝟹.𝟷𝟾 𝚃𝚑𝚒𝚜 𝚒𝚜 𝚎𝚝𝚎𝚛𝚗𝚊𝚕 𝚕𝚒𝚏𝚎, 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚢 𝚜𝚑𝚘𝚞𝚕𝚍 𝚔𝚗𝚘𝚠 𝐲𝐨𝐮, 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐨𝐧𝐥𝐲 𝐭𝐫𝐮𝐞 𝐆𝐨𝐝, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚑𝚒𝚖 𝚠𝚑𝚘𝚖 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚜𝚎𝚗𝚝, 𝙹𝚎𝚜𝚞𝚜 𝙲𝚑𝚛𝚒𝚜𝚝. - 𝙹𝚘𝚑𝚗 𝟷𝟽.𝟹 𝐨𝐧𝐞 𝐆𝐨𝐝 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐅𝐚𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫 𝚘𝚏 𝚊𝚕𝚕, 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝚒𝚜 𝐨𝐯𝐞𝐫 𝐚𝐥𝐥, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝐭𝐡𝐭𝐨𝐮𝐠𝐡 𝐚𝐥𝐥, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝐢𝐧 𝐮𝐬 𝐚𝐥𝐥. - 𝙴𝚙𝚑𝚎𝚜𝚒𝚊𝚗𝚜 𝟺.𝟼 𝟷𝟷"𝐖𝐨𝐫𝐭𝐡𝐲 𝐚𝐫𝐞 𝐲𝐨𝐮, 𝐨𝐮𝐫 𝐋𝐨𝐫𝐝 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐆𝐨𝐝, 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝙷𝚘𝚕𝚢 𝙾𝚗𝚎, 𝚝𝚘 𝚛𝚎𝚌𝚎𝚒𝚟𝚎 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚐𝚕𝚘𝚛𝚢, 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚑𝚘𝚗𝚘𝚛, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚙𝚘𝚠𝚎𝚛, 𝚏𝚘𝚛 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚌𝚛𝚎𝚊𝚝𝚎𝚍 𝚊𝚕𝚕 𝚝𝚑𝚒𝚗𝚐𝚜, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝐛𝐞𝐜𝐚𝐮𝐬𝐞 𝐨𝐟 𝐲𝐨𝐮𝐫 𝐝𝐞𝐬𝐢𝐫𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐲 𝐞𝐱𝐢𝐬𝐭𝐞𝐝 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐰𝐞𝐫𝐞 𝐜𝐫𝐞𝐚𝐭𝐞𝐝 !" - 𝚁𝚎𝚟 𝟺.𝟷0-𝟷𝟷 With that said, any other being, person, angel etc, called God would not qualify the title held by YHWH; Most High God, only true God, God of God's, Supreme God, Almighty God, etc. In contrast to those called Gods, either by YHWH, or other humans - such as; Moses, the angels, the King of Israel, Judges of Israel, and of course, the Son of God anointed to the right hand of the throne. *RE:* Jehovah witnesses claim that jesus (a god) was first created, by another bad interpretation of the words “first born”. King David is called “first born” and anyone that knows the Bible, well knows that King David had OLDER BROTHERS, King David was not literally “first born”, “first born is a TITLE. *A.* I am in agreement with the issue of Jesus being created, in that there are no Bible passages attributing creation to Jesus, and that we would be wise to knowledge that - in contrast with Jesus' own begetting, birth, possession, bringing-forth etc, etc. And while Jesus is never identified with creation in the Bible, it remains that Jesus/the word, the Lamb, etc, are all subject to an origin - unlike YHWH who is without origin and who is the source of all things known and unknown - including, though not limited-to; the word of God itself *RE:* yet completely ignore that rest of the passage where Jesus says that him and The Father share the GLORY... *A.* The problem with such reasoning is that this very same glory(shared), will also be shared with us - thus concluding that it is not the glory due to the only true God, but the glory we share in the oneness of God; 𝟸𝟿𝙼𝚢 𝙵𝚊𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚛, 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝚑𝚊𝚜 𝚐𝚒𝚟𝚎𝚗 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚖 𝚝𝚘 𝚖𝚎, 𝚒𝚜 𝚐𝚛𝚎𝚊𝚝𝚎𝚛 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚗 𝚊𝚕𝚕. 𝙽𝚘 𝚘𝚗𝚎 𝚒𝚜 𝚊𝚋𝚕𝚎 𝚝𝚘 𝚜𝚗𝚊𝚝𝚌𝚑 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚖 𝚘𝚞𝚝 𝚘𝚏 𝚖𝚢 𝙵𝚊𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚛'𝚜 𝚑𝚊𝚗𝚍. 𝟹0𝐈 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐅𝐚𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫 𝐚𝐫𝐞 𝐨𝐧𝐞." - 𝙹𝚘𝚑𝚗 𝟷0.𝟸𝟿-𝟹0 Now let's consider Jesus' words on the meaning of the oneness He shared with His own God and Father; 𝟸0𝙽𝚘𝚝 𝚏𝚘𝚛 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚜𝚎 𝚘𝚗𝚕𝚢 𝚍𝚘 𝙸 𝚙𝚛𝚊𝚢, 𝚋𝚞𝚝 𝚏𝚘𝚛 𝚝𝚑𝚘𝚜𝚎 𝚊𝚕𝚜𝚘 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝚋𝚎𝚕𝚒𝚎𝚟𝚎 𝚒𝚗 𝚖𝚎 𝚝𝚑𝚛𝚘𝚞𝚐𝚑 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚒𝚛 𝚠𝚘𝚛𝚍, 𝟸𝟏𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐲 𝐦𝐚𝐲 𝐚𝐥𝐥 𝐛𝐞 𝐨𝐧𝐞; 𝐞𝐯𝐞𝐧 𝐚𝐬 𝐲𝐨𝐮, 𝐅𝐚𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫, 𝐚𝐫𝐞 𝐢𝐧 𝐦𝐞, 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐈 𝐢𝐧 𝐲𝐨𝐮, 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐲 𝐚𝐥𝐬𝐨 𝐦𝐚𝐲 𝐛𝐞 𝐨𝐧𝐞 𝐢𝐧 𝐮𝐬; 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚠𝚘𝚛𝚕𝚍 𝚖𝚊𝚢 𝚋𝚎𝚕𝚒𝚎𝚟𝚎 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚜𝚎𝚗𝚝 𝚖𝚎. 𝟸𝟸𝐓𝐡𝐞 𝐠𝐥𝐨𝐫𝐲 𝐰𝐡𝐢𝐜𝐡 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐡𝐚𝐯𝐞 𝐠𝐢𝐯𝐞𝐧 𝐦𝐞, 𝐈 𝐡𝐚𝐯𝐞 𝐠𝐢𝐯𝐞𝐧 𝐭𝐨 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐦; 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚢 𝚖𝚊𝚢 𝚋𝚎 𝚘𝚗𝚎, 𝚎𝚟𝚎𝚗 𝚊𝚜 𝚠𝚎 𝚊𝚛𝚎 𝚘𝚗𝚎; 𝟸𝟹𝙸 𝚒𝚗 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚖, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚒𝚗 𝚖𝚎, 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚢 𝚖𝚊𝚢 𝚋𝚎 𝚙𝚎𝚛𝚏𝚎𝚌𝚝𝚎𝚍 𝚒𝚗𝚝𝚘 𝚘𝚗𝚎; 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚠𝚘𝚛𝚕𝚍 𝚖𝚊𝚢 𝚔𝚗𝚘𝚠 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚜𝚎𝚗𝚝 𝚖𝚎, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚕𝚘𝚟𝚎𝚍 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚖, 𝚎𝚟𝚎𝚗 𝚊𝚜 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚕𝚘𝚟𝚎𝚍 𝚖𝚎. 𝟸𝟺𝙵𝚊𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚛, 𝙸 𝚍𝚎𝚜𝚒𝚛𝚎 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚢 𝚊𝚕𝚜𝚘 𝚠𝚑𝚘𝚖 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚑𝚊𝚟𝚎 𝚐𝚒𝚟𝚎𝚗 𝚖𝚎 𝚋𝚎 𝚠𝚒𝚝𝚑 𝚖𝚎 𝚠𝚑𝚎𝚛𝚎 𝙸 𝚊𝚖, 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚢 𝚖𝚊𝚢 𝚜𝚎𝚎 𝚖𝚢 𝚐𝚕𝚘𝚛𝚢, 𝚠𝚑𝚒𝚌𝚑 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚑𝚊𝚟𝚎 𝚐𝚒𝚟𝚎𝚗 𝚖𝚎, 𝚏𝚘𝚛 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚕𝚘𝚟𝚎𝚍 𝚖𝚎 𝚋𝚎𝚏𝚘𝚛𝚎 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚏𝚘𝚞𝚗𝚍𝚊𝚝𝚒𝚘𝚗 𝚘𝚏 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚠𝚘𝚛𝚕𝚍. And so, as can be seen here, your criticism are not well founded as these prove to be the result of a limited understanding of the scriptures. *RE:* system is full of contradictions ( lies) *A.* A sensitivity to contradictions and lies will most certainly prove helpful in our search for the truth - though we need to be careful so-as to avoid false conclusions in the process.
Hi , it’s nice meeting you here.. I’m Edward by name,I’m father and a leader in my church, it would be nice getting to know you,if that’s ok with you? My mom once said good friends are never too much to have. if you don’t mind, can we be friends??
Scripture of the Day (Daniel 2:44) Kingdom of Christ A kingdom that shall never be destroyed. The eternal kingdom is the kingdom of our Lord Jesus Christ (Is. 9:7; Luke 1:33; Heb. 1:8; Rev. 11:15). This kingdom was inaugurated and preached at the First Coming of Christ (Mark 1:15; Matt. 12:28; 24:14), but does not come in its fullness until His Second Advent. See “The Kingdom of God” at Luke 17:20. ToastalStrudelYah (Luke 17:20-21) Will you be able to observe Paradise Earth? or Can you see the Paradise Earth?
RS reads: “Jesus said to them, ‘Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am [Greek, e·go′ ei·mi′].’” (NE, KJ, TEV, JB, NAB all read “I am,” some even using capital letters to convey the idea of a title. Thus they endeavor to connect the expression with Exodus 3:14, where, according to their rendering, God refers to himself by the title “I Am.”) However, in NW the latter part of John 8:58 reads: “Before Abraham came into existence, I have been.” (The same idea is conveyed by the wording in AT, Mo, CBW, and SE.) Which rendering agrees with the context? The question of the Jews (Joh 8 verse 57) to which Jesus was replying had to do with age, not identity. Jesus’ reply logically dealt with his age, the length of his existence. Interestingly, no effort is ever made to apply e·go′ ei·mi′ as a title to the holy spirit.
Excellent presentation you have there two renderings acknowledged and contextually observed that an I AM statement is a weak which grammatically doesn’t answer the how? question in that verse. Saying before Abraham was I was or I have been fits perfectly because: they (the Jews) are talking about time.. and Jesus answers with a phrase that touches on time. I am is grammatically incorrect and to assume Jesus is god and a perfect being. He wouldn’t have problems speaking correctly. Now we know he wasn’t using the similar phraseology as Jehovah in Exodua 3:14-15 because he didn’t formatted his words as if “Eher Asher Eher” was his name as we see in exodus: look: “Moses said to God, “Suppose I go to the Israelites and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they ask me, ‘What is his name?’*****Then what shall I tell them?” 14 God said to Moses, “I am who I am.[a] This**** is what you are to say**** to the Israelites: ‘I am has sent me to you.’”*****.. do this how will you be identified or with what name is not what we see in John 8:58 we see a conversation about Jesus past.
Exactly! I have been or I am points to ALWAYS EXISTING IN THE PRESENT. SHOWS ETERNALITY OF THE SON. Proves that Son has no beginning... If Son had the beginning even before Abraham, then he should have used "I was."
>>> *Gal **3:26* ~ “You are all sons of God through your **FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST**. >>> *2 Tim **3:15* ~ “…salvation through **FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST**.”
Why do we still debate whether Jesus is God? Because in Him is all things, even our salvation, our righteousness and our hope. I never joined the JW's but they did come around to my home to show me their message but something didn't click. A friend from school shared the gospel with me and immediately I knew this to be true. It made me consider why I couldn't accept the Kingdom message. It was because I sensed they were peddling a message that seemed perfectly formed and promised much but lacked life. I listened to this whole debate and my position after 40 years remains unchanged. Thank you Lord Jesus for saving me. Matthew 13: 14,15 In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah: “‘You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving. For this people’s heart has become calloused; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts and turn, and I would heal them.
Why are there still debate about Jesus? Because Satan is still the father of all lies. Satan is doing every tricks in his book to deceived people so he has cunningly tricked most people to deny Jesus sovereignty and his deity. Think about this way, Cuckoo bird lay egg(s) on other bird species nest as it sometimes have very similar looking eggs to trick the victim's mother to care for it. Same way, Jehovah Witness is very similar to Foundational Christianity but one is false believe as they (JW) have twisted truth to trick others to believe it. God bless you in abundance.
@UnderHisShadowOfficial The problem is John 2:19 Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days.” Who raise the life from the dead??? Not angels, not demons and not even us human... Only God can! Therefore, as Jesus said, "I WILL raise it again...." Jesus is God. Boom!
@@NCSiebertdesign fallacious... Jesus was using figurative speech. Or are you claiming he literally built a literal temple? The fact he said "I" doesn't mean he's saying he literally resurrect himself from the dead. Imagine you have your house built from scratch by a construction company, then in a conversation you say "I built my house from scratch". Now, would you say you're lying? Technically you didn't do it yourself but you had people paid to do it. So your point really falls flat.
@@gianlucazanga8432 Typical of you misunderstanding my comment. Of course, it's not a literal temple. The temple Jesus raised is his church (again not a literal building) ... The body of Christ (believers/followers). It is God (the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit) that raised the dead body of Jesus as in physical resurrection.
@@NCSiebertdesign I didn't misunderstand. I asked a question. Because I find quite funny that this text is often used by trinitarian to "prove" the deity of Jesus when it does no such thing.
*TO "JW's"* .… Yes “JW’s”!… I do understand that being called a “Jehovah’s Witness” gives you a sense of *identity* .. And I understand that being told *only “JW’s”* have access to God and any hope for Eternal Life makes you feel very *“SPECIAL”*, even proud… But *all* cult leaders tell their followers that very same thing, that *THEY ALONE* have access to God.. And this is done intentionally to make you feel “SPECIAL” by being in the group/cult, and likewise, to make you feel *“godless”* or even *“destined for destruction”* if you leave the group/cult… All of this is Cultic *mind control*. But as we see in the verses below, God makes *”NO DISTINCTION”** for particular cults/groups/organizations… Access to God and Eternal Life is *equally available* to *“ALL“* people *everywhere* who'll Repent and place their Faith in what **JESUS CHRIST** did for us when He died and paid for our sins. >>> *Romans **3:22**-25* ~ “This Salvation from God comes through *FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST* to **ALL** who Believe **THERE IS NO DISTINCTION** because ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, and we are saved *Freely* by His *Grace* through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus, **THROUGH OUR FAITH IN JESUS BLOOD**.” >>> *John **6:40* ~ “My Father’s will is that **EVERYONE** who **LOOKS TO JESUS** and Believes in Him shall have Eternal Life, and **I, JESUS**, shall raise him up at the last day.” >>> *John **3:36* ~ " *WHOEVER* Believes in **JESUS** *HAS* Everlasting Life.” I pray you all repent and place your Faith in *JESUS CHRIST Himself*, and not in any cult/group/organization that falsely claims *EXCLUSIVE Access* to God. .
In the year that King Uz·zi′ah died,+ I saw Jehovah sitting on a lofty and elevated throne,+ and the skirts of his robe filled the temple. 2 Seraphs were standing above him; each had six wings. Each* covered his face with two and covered his feet with two, and each of them would fly about with two. 3 And one called to the other: “Holy, holy, holy is Jehovah of armies.+ The whole earth is filled with his glory.” 8 Then I heard the voice of Jehovah saying: “Whom shall I send, and who will go for us?”+ The little plus at the end of verse 8 gives a ref to 4 other scriptures....would anyone care to guess...I will give you one of them John 12:41 Isaiah said this because he saw Jesus' glory and spoke about him. :)
6:1-8 In this figurative vision, the temple is thrown open to view, even to the most holy place. The prophet, standing outside the temple, sees the Divine Presence seated on the mercy-seat, raised over the ark of the covenant, between the cherubim and seraphim, and the Divine glory filled the whole temple. See God upon his throne. This vision is explained, Joh 12:41, that Isaiah now saw Christ's glory, and spake of Him, which is a full proof that our Saviour is God. In Christ Jesus, God is seated on a throne of grace; and through him the way into the holiest is laid open. See God's temple, his church on earth, filled with his glory. His train, the skirts of his robes, filled the temple, the whole world, for it is all God's temple. And yet he dwells in every contrite heart. See the blessed attendants by whom his government is served. Above the throne stood the holy angels, called seraphim, which means burners; they burn in love to God, and zeal for his glory against sin. The seraphim showing their faces veiled, declares that they are ready to yield obedience to all God's commands, though they do not understand the secret reasons of his counsels, government, or promises. All vain-glory, ambition, ignorance, and pride, would be done away by one view of Christ in his glory. This awful vision of the Divine Majesty overwhelmed the prophet with a sense of his own vileness. We are undone if there is not a Mediator between us and this holy God. A glimpse of heavenly glory is enough to convince us that all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags. Nor is there a man that would dare to speak to the Lord, if he saw the justice, holiness, and majesty of God, without discerning his glorious mercy and grace in Jesus Christ. The live coal may denote the assurance given to the prophet, of pardon, and acceptance in his work, through the atonement of Christ. Nothing is powerful to cleanse and comfort the soul, but what is taken from Christ's satisfaction and intercession. The taking away sin is necessary to our speaking with confidence and comfort, either to God in prayer, or from God in preaching; and those shall have their sin taken away who complain of it as a burden, and see themselves in danger of being undone by it. It is great comfort to those whom God sends, that they go for God, and may therefore speak in his name, assured that he will bear them out.
God’s Kingdom is a real government established by Jehovah God. “The kingdom of God” is also called “the kingdom of heaven” in the Bible, since it rules from heaven. Mark 1: 14-15; Matthew 4:17 King James Version) It shares many attributes of human governments, yet it is superior to them in every way. God has appointed Jesus Christ as King of the Kingdom and has given him more authority than any human ruler could ever have. Matthew 28:18 Jesus uses this power only for good, since he has already proved to be a reliable and compassionate Leader. Matthew 4:23; Mark 1:40, 41; 6: 31-34; Luke 7: 11-17. Under God’s direction, Jesus has selected persons from all nations who will “rule as kings over the earth” with him in heaven. Revelations 5: 9-10. Unlike human governments, which come and go, God’s Kingdom “will never be brought to ruin. Daniel 2:44. The Kingdom of God doesn’t enrich its rulers at the expense of its subjects. Instead, it will accomplish God’s will, including the promise that those who love him will live forever on a paradise earth. Isaiah 35:1, 5, 6; Matthew 6:10; Revelations 21:1.
I love my www.jw.org. There is so much spiritual food that is provided on there. We have many bible translations; how many languages we can read everything in. We have the King James Bible and a few other bibles. We are students of bible truth; we teach from all sorts of bibles. I love our broadcasting every month; we have wonderful movies, literature based on the bible itself; it helps provide us with everyday life situations. We have materials for family worship; for the family, our teens, little ones. Its beautiful. Instead of being so strong headed!!! take a look at it and really see for your self. It wonderful; there are thousands of people world wide that love the spiritual food that is provided. Its not just for us witnesses its also for the public. I think you would love the bible that speaks in the Greek language lined up with the English. For some reason, I think you may refuse but I thought I would just let you know the information is there.
I always think for myself but what you teach makes no sense at all; like the trinity, you don't think for yourself because most of your teachings are man made doctrines that it origins started with pagan that worshiped many false gods but sadly was eventually established with in the churches. By polluting God's words with false expectations. Theology teachings even came from the pagan world of man doctoring. You cant think for your self. I think very well for myself. At least I was able to recognize what is false teachings and what is true.
Many translations of the Bible leave out God’s name. But Jehovah’s anointed servants took a stand against Satan’s scheme to blot the name of God out of human memory. The introduction of the New World Translation released that day stated: “The foremost feature of this translation is the restoration of the divine name to its rightful place.” Indeed, the New World Translation uses God’s personal name, Jehovah, more than 7,000 times. How outstandingly this translation has exalted the name of our heavenly Father-Jehovah! In earlier years, the Bible Students understood God’s name to mean “I am that I am. Exodus 3:14 So God said to Moses: “I Will Become What I Choose to Become.” And he added: “This is what you are to say to the Israelites, ‘I Will Become has sent me to you.’” KJV. “The name Jehovah signifies the self-existing One, . . . the One who had no beginning and no end.” However, by the time the translators of the New World Translation began their work, Jehovah had helped his people to discern that his name signifies not merely that he is self-existent but foremost that he is a God of purpose and activity. They learned that the name Jehovah literally means “He Causes to Become.” Yes, he caused the universe and intelligent beings to come into existence, and he continues to cause his will and purpose to become a reality. Why, though, is it so important that God’s name be exalted, and how can we have a share in exalting it? Faithful early Bible Students viewed the ransom arrangement as the Bible’s main teaching. For example, in its first year of publication, the magazine mentioned the name Jesus ten times more Jehovah wants his name to be exalted. In fact, his primary purpose is to sanctify his name, as is evident in Jesus’ first request in his model prayer: “Let your name be sanctified.” Matt.6:9 You must pray, then, this way: “‘Our Father in the heavens, let your name be sanctified. You must pray, then, this way:“‘Our Father in the heavens, let your name be sanctified. When making that petition, for what are we praying? than the name Jehovah. Regarding the Bible Students’ early years, noted that they gave “overbalanced importance” to Jesus. In time, though, Jehovah helped them to discern the prominence that the Bible gives to God’s personal name. they began showing more appreciation for Messiah’s heavenly Father, Jehovah.” In fact, during the decade following 1919, The Watch Tower mentioned God’s name over 6,500 times! true Christians acquired the right understanding of the work assigned by God. Shortly after 1919, the anointed brothers taking the lead were moved to examine the prophecy of Isaiah. Thereafter, the contents of our publications underwent a change in focus. Why did that adjustment prove to be “food at the proper time”? An outstanding way in which Jehovah exalts his name is by having a people on earth who bear his name. From 1513 B.C.E. onward, the nation of Israel represented Jehovah as his people. Isaiah. 43:12“I am the One who declared and saved and made known When there was no foreign god among you. So you are my witnesses,” declares Jehovah, “and I am God. However, they failed to keep their part of the covenant with God, and in 33 C.E., they lost their special relationship with him. Shortly thereafter, Jehovah “turned his attention to the nations to take out of them a people for his name.” Acts 15:14 Symʹe•on has related thoroughly how God for the first time turned his attention to the nations to take out of them a people for his name. That newly chosen people became known as “the Israel of God,” which consists of anointed followers of Christ from various nations.-Galatians 6:16 As for all those who walk orderly by this rule of conduct, peace and mercy be upon them, yes, upon the Israel of God. “Babylon the Great” represented not only Christendom but also the whole world empire of false religion. • “Satan . . . has taught the people to give more prominence to the birth of the babe Jesus than to the death of the man Jesus, in order to hide the importance of the ransom.” • “Every one is aware of the spirit of frivolity, debauchery, drunkenness and revelry so prevalent during the Christmas season . . . Surely none of these things honor either Jehovah God or His Son.” • “The Devil has now succeeded in grafting his counterfeit festivals, feast days, fast days and holy days upon the church . . . The Devil has succeeded in getting the people to adopt all his wicked schemes and to give them the name Christian, in order that thus he might mock the great Jehovah God.” “We were pleased that we were able to give up something to prove our love for Jehovah.” Christ’s loyal followers were willing to make the needed changes and have no part in a celebration that stemmed from unclean worship. The Bible Students long acknowledged that Christmas has pagan roots and that Jesus was not born on December 25. Millions were brought into the church from Paganism. But the change was mostly in name, for the pagan priests became christian priests and the pagan holidays came to be called by christian names-Christmas being one of these holidays. in The Golden Age of December 14, 1927, noted that Christmas is a pagan celebration, focuses on pleasures, and involves idol worship. The article made it clear that the celebration was not ordered by Christ and concluded with this pointed statement about Christmas: “The fact that the world, the flesh, and the Devil are in favor of its perpetuation and observance . . . is a final and conclusive argument against its celebration by those who are dedicated wholly to the service of Jehovah.” Not surprisingly, the Bethel family did not celebrate Christmas that December-or ever again! For many years, the Bible Students viewed the cross as an acceptable symbol of Christianity. They certainly did not feel that the cross should be worshipped, for they understood that idolatry is wrong. For example, they proudly wore a cross-and-crown pin as an identifying badge. To them it signified that if they proved faithful to death, they would receive the crown of life. Beginning in 1891, a cross-and-crown symbol appeared on the cover of the Watch Tower. We came to recognize that what we once cherished as symbolic or representative of the death of our Lord and of our Christian devotion was really a pagan symbol. Cross-and-crown pins are idols. Jesus died on a stake, not on a cross. The Greek word stau•rosʹ is translated “cross” in many Bible translations. Notice, however, what various sources say about the meaning of this word: • “The Greek word [stau•rosʹ] properly . . . means merely a stake.”-Cyclopedia of Biblical, Theological, and Ecclesiastical Literature. • “A pole in the broadest sense. It is not the equivalent of a ‘cross.’ “A strong stake, such as farmers drive into the ground to make their fences or palisades-no more, no less. “It never means two pieces of timber placed across one another at any angle, but always of one piece alone. An upright pale or stake . . . It never means two pieces of wood joining
See as you can see in earlier years the bible students did read from the King James Bible but they realized that many translations wiped out God's name; so his name was put back in its place were many translations took his name out and replaced in with titles such as God and Lord in capital letters. Witnesses at one time did celebrate Christmas, until they realized how pagan it really was and how God would be displeased with this practice, so they just stopped celebrating it. They even use to find the cross to be very dear to them, but they realized it was pagan as well and that Jesus never even died on a cross but in THE Greek word Stauros really meant a stake, or pole, or tree. But never meaning two pieces of timber but just a stake upright. They even recognized many false teachings of the church because it doesn't fit the scriptures at all. The funny thing is, they were able to recognize this from the King James Bible, isn't that something. If you look at www.jw.org you can go on the library area and you will see a few bibles. Many can still learn from the Kings James Bible but you have to recognize every-time the G or L is capitalized it talking about Jehovah God because his name is replaced with titles God and Lord; instead of his name were it originally was at one time. The cross, we know that as the stake, or tree. and were it said that he was God; were it is really suppose to mean a god lower case.
Yes! he did live in a pagan world but back then the Greek word stau•rosʹ means a stake, or tree hello!!! Even some other churches have recognized this. I mean there is a church in Texas were they have Jesus on a stake as well. Smart that they recognized this and changed it; just like we did also. It makes total sense because this was there common use of torture; in Rome and it even existed down to the mid evil days.
DR. White was extremely under prepared. Couldn't answer very clear questions, trying to filibuster questions. THE JEHOVAH'S WITNESS WONE THIS DEBATE. Dr. WHITE sounded like Myorkis answering questions about the border😂 I'm going to find JEHOVAH witness church, I'm definitely interested in the points Stafford brought. Very clear.😮 Payers.
*TO "JW's"*.... You are trying to get to GOD through the Watchtower organization, and *THAT IS IMPOSSIBLE!*.....Because you do NOT have *JESUS CHRIST* as your *Mediator* you are presently *EXCLUDED* from the Kingdom of God. >>>John 10:9 ~ “*I*, **JESUS**, am *THE DOOR*.. Whoever enters by *ME*, **JESUS**, will be saved." I pray you *COME TO CHRIST* and be saved one day.
Every now and then someone says , "But the Bible never explicitly calls Jesus God!" This is frequently followed by an assertion that Christian teaching on the divinity of Christ was all dreamed up by the Council of Nicea many centuries after the Bible was written. That "Son of God" language was misunderstood as implying the "Son is God" in a way which totally distorts the original intentions of the authors. For those that say that however, I'd invite them to engage with these verses from the ancient New Testament scriptures. John 20:28 - Thomas said to him, "My Lord and my God!" Romans 9:5 - ...Christ, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen. Titus 2:13-15 - ...our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ, Hebrews 1:8 - But about the Son he says, "Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever… 2 Peter 1:1 - ...the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ… Could it be more explicit? If so, how?
Despite all their claims of being God‘s "organization", when we look at their 120+ yrs of false prophecies such as their Armageddon failed prophecies for 1914, 1915, 1918, 1925, and 1975, we have overwhelming evidence that God has NEVER spoken to the Watchtower leaders. .
Actually Jesus need help to come back into life from a death state. Peter testifies: (Acts 2:32) God resurrected this Jesus, and of this we are all witnesses.
Galatians 1:1 - Paul, an apostle-sent not from men nor by a man, but by Jesus Christ and God the Father, who raised him from the dead John 2:19 - Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.” Romans 8: 11 The Holy Spirit raised Jesus from the dead. If the same Holy Spirit lives in you, He will give life to your bodies in the same way. Jesus was resurrected by God. And by that we can mean that it was the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.
Moses promptly called all the elders of Israel+ and said to them: “Go and select young *animals* for each of your families, and slaughter the Passover *sacrifice*. 22 Then you must dip a bunch of hyssop into the blood that is in a basin and strike the upper part of the doorway and the two doorposts with the blood; and none of you should go out of the entrance of his house until morning.(Exodus 12:21-22 NWT) 21 Then Moses called for all the elders of Israel and said to them, “Go and take for yourselves *lambs* according to your families, and slay the Passover *lamb*. 22 You shall take a bunch of hyssop and dip it in the blood which is in the basin, and apply some of the blood that is in the basin to the lintel and the two doorposts; and none of you shall go outside the door of his house until morning.(Exodus 12:21-22 NASB) The watchtower hides the word lamb.I wonder why they would do that.
>>> *Gal **3:22* ~ “…so that what was promised (*Eternal Life*), being given through **FAITH in JESUS CHRIST**, may be given to them that *Believe*.” .
_do you say of him whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, 'You blaspheme,' because I said, 'I am the Son of God?'_ - John 10.36 _The Jews answered him, "We have a law, and by our law he ought to die, because he made himself the Son of God."_ - John 19.7
@@nunesandrew4198 that is true but do you know what the term son of God means the term son of God means God made manifest in human form that's in John chapter 1 verse 1 verse 14 witch clearly states that is the incarnation so basically God became a human being to take away all sin and only God alone can do this.
@@nunesandrew4198 and then he was also another thing that the Jehovah's witnesses or if you are Jehovah's witness I'm just going to tell you right now Thomas wasn't using the lord's name in vain when he refer to Jesus as being God in John 20:28. So here's what he said he said my Lord and my God and he knelt down and bow before Christ and Jesus never rebuked him for saying that.Jesus says out of his own mouth that he is God in John chapter 10 verse 30 and 33 he says I and the father are one which means we are one in essence and one in nature Jesus Christ had two natures he's both God and he's both man,and the other thing is is that in Isaiah chapter 9 verse 6 but they also clearly state that Jesus Christ is a God not God himself but here's the thing they take the term mighty and Almighty and say it's not the same thing when actually it is.because in the Bible yes God is referred to as Almighty but he's also referred to as mighty, so in Psalm 3523 David saying talking about God who is mighty and David says mighty God in there Isaiah chapter 10 verse 20 and 21 say a remnant of Jacob willreturn to the mighty God right there and Isaiah Isaiah just referred to us that God is mighty so therefore I can take Psalm 35 23 and Isaiah chapter 10 verse 20 and 21 and add it to Isaiah chapter 9 verse 6 were it clearly states that Jesus Christ is God. now look at acts 20:28 it says the shepherds and oversee Sears of the Church of God which he has purchased with his own blood right there it just told you that God purchased the church with his own blood how did God do that God did it by dying on the cross for the sins of the world and how did he bleed well that's simple he became a human being in order to bleed and die on the cross he became the human being the Lord Jesus Christ to take away that sin. So naturally in Acts 20:28 right there it just told you that God became human to take away all sin and that he purchased the church with his own blood by dying on the cross for the sins of the world Leslie the Jehovah's witnesses claimed that the term in Colossians 1:16 says he meeting Jesus is the image of the invisible God of the old testament Jehovahthen it goes on reading saying he is the firstborn of all creation then that's where they will stop you and say oh it says he was the first born okay what about that word disable that means he was created and I actually said you want to know what the actual turn my firstborn means they say yes and here's what the actual term of what first born means.the actual term for first born means this it means highest and authority and rank King David for example was the youngest brother of his family but he was also the first born what that means is is what was the highest authority that you can have back in Israel the highest authority that you can have back in is real back in those times was King so he got the highest title of all which was King and he was the highest authority in rank and he had so much authority to do everything that was his high authority was to be king over all Israel that was his high authority so since the Lord Jesus Christ is God in the flesh he is highest in authority and rank and has the authority to do whatever he needs to do to save his people from sin.Jude verse 9 makes it clear statement that Michael the archangel cannot rebuke Satan only God can do that Michael says very clearly to Satan I cannot rebuke you I will let the Lord handle it.now if you look at Hebrews chapter 1 verse 5 and verse 8 God says clearly when did I make any of my angels my only begotten when did I become their father and then my children he says about the Angels they are my servants and ministers flames of fire but to the sunny says your throne o God will last forever and ever and the scepter of righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom.so right there God just called Jesus the firstborn of all Creation God.now keep in mind Jesus is God in the flesh so God just spoke to God the son and called him God now mind you there are not three gods there are three coexisting Co eternal persons one God that's the trinity.
Hebrews takes pain to show Jesus is not a angel. "about the Son" However the Firstborn of all creation = the first of Gods works. Jesus has always been the Son. The fullness was pleased to dwell in Him. (from the will of another) Jesus is not Michael and Michael is not Gods firstborn. The eternal Spirit that dwells in Jesus is the Fathers and in that manner they are one. And all the fullness of the Father dwells in Jesus so He is the radiance of Gods glory and the exact representation of Gods being in whom all things hold together. God in that context.
You quoted "1 Cor. 15:28" If HE (JESUS) is subjected right now, then how can HE (JESUS) subject HIMSELF (JESUS) if HE (JESUS) is already subjected? When will this event happen according to 1 Cor. 15:28? So God is not all in all right now eagle?
Jesus is recognizing that despite all the authority that has been given him, he is still subject to Jehovah. Imagine David coming back from battle with everyone recognizing him as an authority, he slew hundreds of enemies and is praised and exalted by all under his authority, but when he returns to the cast,e, he subjected himself under king Saul. Does this mean he was not subject to him while in battle. Of course not, but while such he acted as a man of authority, now returned he humbles himself under the king, recognizing his authority over him. The same occurs with the Christ.
Rev 1:4-5, "Grace be unto you, and peace," 1."From Him which is, and which was, and which is to come;" (This is clearly God the Father). 2."From the Seven Spirits which are before His throne; "(This is clearly God the Holy Spirit). 3."From Jesus Christ who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten from the dead, and the Prince of the kings of the earth;" (This is clearly God the Son).
Paul said but even if we or an angel from heaven preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you let him be Accursed gal 1:8 Paul said Yet for us there is but ONE GOD the Father of whom are all things and One Lord Jesus Christ (1Cort 8:6) ONE GOD THE FATHER ONE LORD JESUS CHRIST Paul said great is the mystery of Godliness, GOD was manifest in the flesh (1Tim 3:16) OR GOD REVEALED IN THE FLESH OR THE FATHER COME IN THE FLESH He was in the world and the World was made by him, and the World knew him not Jn1:10 THE WORLD WAS MADE BY HIM Jesus was made the World Alone THE WORLD KNEW HIM NOT Why..? Because they said He is a god, other said he is god the Son ,the other said he is a Prophet He came to his own but his own receive him not Jn1:11 Why..? Because their Father God is Jehovah, Yahweh Adonai, Elohim Yhwh ect, John said for many deceivers have gone out into the World who do not confess Jesus Christ come in the flesh, this is Deceiver An Antichrist (2Jn1:7) The scripture is very very clear Whosoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God (2jn1:9) Jesus said the first of all the commandment is HEAR O ISRAEL the Lord our God is One Lord Mark 12:29 QUESTION Who is One Lord...? ANSWER Paul said Jesus Christ is One Lord (1Cort 8:6) For I am the Lord thy God the Holy one of Israel thy Savior isa 43: 3 Isa 45: 5 I AM the Lord, and there is none else, THERE IS NO GOD BESIDE ME I girded thee, though thou has not known me THEREFORE know this day and consider it in your heart that the Lord himself is God in heaven above and on the Earth beneath THERE IS NO OTHERS Duet 4: 39 Paul said Jesus is the great God and savour Titus 2:13 John said Jesus is the TRUE GOD and eternal life (1jn5:20) Paul said Jesus throne is forever and ever HEB 1:8 QUESTION Where is the throne of Jehovah...?
You started off great, but then slowly shifted toward unfounded statements as things moved along. For example, your proposed interpretation of the throne of YHWH, which symbolizes YHWH's divine rule, and as demonstrated with Jesus' own forefathers on earth(David, Solomon, etc). And so, there appears to be some confusion as to what this represents. That said, and with regard to the first Bible reference; _'but of the Son he says, “Your throne, O GOD, is forever and ever. The sceptre of uprightness is the sceptre of your Kingdom'_ - Heb 1.8 Originally taken from; _'Your throne, GOD, is forever and ever. A sceptre of equity is the sceptre of your kingdom'_ - Ps 45.6 There are discrepancies between the Hebrew and Greek, in-that the speaker and subject now seem muddled, as the speaker in the original passage proves to be the human Psalmist, rather than YHWH, and as many appear to believe today. Likewise, the reference to the throne in the original citation(in Ps), proves to be YHWH Himself, rather than the Son, and moreso, where many modern Bible translations do not carry this particular message through; 4314 [e] Πρὸς pros *unto* 1161 [e] δὲ de *however* 3588 [e] τὸν ton *the* 5207 [e] Υἱόν huion *son* 3588 [e] Ὁ HO *the* 2362 [e] θρόνος thronos *throne* 4771 [e] σου sou *of you* 3588 [e] ὁ ho *O* 2316 [e] Θεὸς theos *GOD* 1519 [e] εἰς eis *to* 3588 [e] τὸν ton *the* 0165 [e] αἰῶνα aiōna *age* 3588 [e] τοῦ tou *of the* 0165 [e] αἰῶνος, aiōnos *age* 2532 [e] καὶ kai *and* 3588 [e] ἡ hē *the* 4464 [e] ῥάβδος rhabdos *scepter* 3588 [e] τῆς tēs *of* 2118 [e] εὐθύτητος euthytētos *righteousness* 4464 [e] ῥάβδος rhabdos *scepter* 3588 [e] τῆς tēs *of the* 0932 [e] βασιλείας basileias *kingdom* 4771 [e] σου sou *of you* translated; _unto however the son the throne of you the God to the age of the age and the sceptre of righteousness sceptre of the kingdom of you. You have loved righteousness and hated iniquity; therefore God, your GOD has anointed you with the oil of gladness above your fellows_ - Heb 1.8-9 Now to many, the notion of a God with a GOD above Him comes-across rather oddly, if not blasphemous. However and as scriptures show the title of God, was given onto those ruling in GOD's name, the title proves fitting for YHWH's authorized King and Judge in heaven.
@@smalltimer4370 The Scripture is Very Very Clear Whosoever transgressed and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God (2jn1:9) Where did Jesus teach YHWH or Jehovah.? Can you provide even only one verse...?
@@dreameruy9510 Are you suggesting that Jesus did not worship YHWH on earth? Likewise, are you also suggesting Jesus' GOD and Father was not YHWH? And finally, what name did GOD reveal for all eternity and all generations in Exodus 3? Therefore and with that being said, I don't see any other way, but to conclude that Jesus worshipped, taught and preached YHWH. As it is obvious that the GOD of whom Jesus came, and who's name He made known, is/was none other than YHWH.
The throne of Jehovah? If your referring to God the Father, then I can't say much about it without scripture. Unless I could find cross-references about his throne and where it could be, I can only say at least from scripture, that within Revelation Jesus will be sitting on his throne. The most popular guess is that Jehovah's throne is within the third heaven or within heaven.
If Jesus, the man, ceased to exist at his death and was raised from the dead as Michael the Archangel, why did Michael deceive the apostles into believing that they were witnessing Jesus in a resurrected physical body (Luke 24:39)?
Jesus not God (Jehovah), come willingly to please his father and mankind as Gods firstborn and begotten Son.... John 3:16 (ASV) 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth on him should not perish, but have eternal life. Jesus lived his life on earth as a perfect individual after many trails and temptations remember (James 1:13 God can not be tempted Jesus was).(Also God could not die Jesus died)...Also remember this Acts 2:32, "God has raised this Jesus to life". Jesus could not and did not resurrect himself...... He died for the sins committed by another perfect individual. Adam. Adam lost out on eternal life for himself and for us. Jesus sacrificed his blood as atonement for Adam's sin so that all mankind might have the opportunity to live forever once again in the restored paradise earth. If Jesus had not paid the ransom sacrifice for Adam's sin, nobody would have any hope of living again. Death would be the end for all mankind.The simple and direct answer would be found in Jesus' prayer, the night before he died. (John 17:3) 3 This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ. Everlasting life is through that sacrifice, the relieving of the sin that Adam placed on his children. That is why Paul called Jesus the "Last Adam". (1 Corinthians 15:45) 45 It is even so written: “The first man Adam became a living soul.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit. Mark 10:45 For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many.” 1 Timothy 2:6 who gave Himself as a ransom for all, the testimony given at the proper time. “So How many did Christ effectively ransom from sin? He said that he came ‘to give his life as a ransom for many.’ Yet not everyone will be ransomed from the wrath of God. But the offer is for everyone.”
Proof #13 The Father and the Son are one God THE WRATH OF THE ALMIGHTY GOD IS A SINGULAR WRATH OF THE FATHER AND THE SON Revelation 19:15 New King James Version (NKJV) 15 Now out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should strike the nations. And He Himself will rule them with a rod of iron. He Himself treads the winepress of the fierceness and🔸️wrath of Almighty God.🔸️ Revelation 6:15-17 New King James Version (NKJV) 15 And the kings of the earth, the great men, the rich men, the commanders, the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains 16 and said to the mountains and rocks, "Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the🔸️wrath of the Lamb!🔸️ 17 For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?" Psalm 2:10-12 New King James Version 10 Now therefore, be wise, O kings; Be instructed, you judges of the earth. 11 Serve ➡️the LORD ⬅️with fear, And rejoice with trembling. 12 Kiss the➡️ Son,⬅️ lest He be angry, And you perish in the way, When🔸️His wrath🔸️is kindled but a little. Blessed are all those who put their trust in Him. TAKE NOTE: ➡️ SON IS YAHWEH ⬅️
preto shohmoofc guy Hey preto, why does David respond to you, but will not debate you after he accepted your challenge to debate you? By responding to you, isn't he in a round about way debating? I think deep down inside, David does want to debate. If he didn't, he would just ignore what you or anyone else states here about JWS.
As for the 144,000 being called "he" they are also known as a group of 144,000 and known as christ Bride. Nowhere in the bible does God portray himself as being 3 members. therefore he is a He. and not 3. God is God, Jesus is Jesus and the holy spirit is Gods active force. The father AND the son AND the holy spirit. 3 separate placements. it does not say father WHO IS the son, WHO IS ALSO holy spirit - When we use the word AND it separates the previous statement from the next. causing two or more effects.
Bible truth vs JWs error filled "truth"? "Jehovah's Witnesses, in their eagerness for Jesus' second coming, *have suggested dates that turned out to be incorrect."* Awake 1993 Mar 22 page4 *Jehovah’s Witnesses have had wrong expectations about when the end would come.* Jan 1, 2013 Watchtower (Yes, expectations with false dates!) "Does this admission of making mistakes stamp them [Jehovah's Witnesses] as false prophets? Not at all, for false prophets do not admit to making mistakes." Watchtower, Nov. 1, 1972, page 644 - in brackets added (any scriptures for this "admitting to mistakes" means they aren't false teachings, false prophecies?) Admitting to making false prophecies doesn't magically change them, they are still Bible defined false prophecies (Deut 18:20-22) Very poor reasoning, probably why JWs "suggested dates" and went beyond and added to scripture. "suggested dates, wrong expectations" in God's name? yes, these ARE false prophecies from the Jehovah Witness Organization. God's channel of communications, his voice on earth, God's mouthpiece, JWs? Nope, just a false religion! "Jehovah's Witnesses, in their eagerness for Jesus' second coming, *have suggested dates that turned out to be incorrect."* (Awake 1993 Mar 22 page4) *Jehovah’s Witnesses have had wrong expectations about when the end would come.* (Jan 1, 2013 Watchtower) God's channel of communications, his voice on earth, God's mouthpiece, JWs? Nope just a false religion!
THE FATHER OPERATED THRU JESUS. Acts 2:22 22 “Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus the Naz·a·rene′ was a man publicly shown to you by God through powerful works and wonders* and signs that God did through him in your midst,+ just as you yourselves know. 23 This man, who was handed over by the determined will* and foreknowledge of God,+ you fastened to a stake by the hand of lawless men, and you did away with him.+ 24 But God resurrected him+ by releasing him from the pangs* of death, because it was not possible for him to be held fast by it.
Ι have a question: I have studied the New Testament so many times and searched....and searched again... Could someone tell me where in the New Testament it is said that Jesus Christ would come invisible (????) to choose... His people ????
***** Yes, I understand! I'm glad for you and your family. I have a cousin who wasn't so lucky.( I mean she left it alone, her parents are still JW) When she was shunned all the world she knew closed its doors to her. She stayed with me until she could stand up again.... So I understand. I think about what you say you know... we give too many facts and they "defend" themselves, but on the other hand... if someone does not tell them something... when are they going to think for themselves? I pray for the JW because with a little exceptions, they are people that really love God. And there it is where the big deception is... Jw didn't concern me a lot until I got involved with my cousin and saw the suffering she had to go through... : ( I don't know what to say. I'm really happy for you! Gob bless you! To leave a so "toxicating" organization needs a lot of strenght!
Mark 10:17 As he was going on his way, a man ran up and fell on his knees before him and put the question to him: “Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit everlasting life?” 18 Jesus said to him: “Why do you call me good? Nobody is good except one, God.” Jesus is very explicit and separates himself from the ONE God.
@@worshippers3590 Exactly! In Philosophy classes I learned about if, then statements. This verse is an if, then statement. If Jesus is good, which He is, then He is God according to this verse. Not to mention the fact that the Bible clearly teaches that God raised Jesus from the dead in Acts 13:30, yet Jesus said in John 2:19 that He would raise Himself from the dead. Jehovah Witnesses also teach against a bodily resurrection of Jesus which is in total contradiction to Luke Chapter 24.
@@thegentlereptile9810 What is the contradiction?? Luke 24 He is not here, but has risen. Remember how he told you, while he was still in Galilee, 7 that the Son of Man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men and be crucified and on the third day rise.” ON the 3rd day rise .The angle didnt say he risen himself.... The JW dont teach what isnt written.... Acts 2:32 says GOD raised him.. JESUS ,, The PROBLEM here is YOU can't understand GOD holy words and Satan who Transforms HIMSELF INTO AN ANGLE OF LIGHT HAS CONVIENECE YOU THE JW ARE DECEITFUL .. WELL READ john 4:23 Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. Why would JESUS say "The true worshippers are those who worship the FATHER.... THE JW are the only People who worship GOD ,,, The GOD of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob… So who was JESUS GOD... HE had to have a GOD if he was created tooo...
Jehovah's Witnesses, happy 100th anniversary of the Creator's promise of a peaceful and secure new world before the generation that saw the events of 1914 passes away. 1914-2014 Rest in Peace.
Josephus ( 37 -100 AD) Perhaps the most remarkable reference to Jesus outside the Bible can be found in the writings of Josephus, a first century Jewish historian. On two occasions, in his Jewish Antiquities, he mentions Jesus. The second, less revealing, reference describes the condemnation of one "James" by the Jewish Sanhedrin. This James, says Josephus, was "the brother of Jesus the so-called Christ."{14} F.F. Bruce points out how this agrees with Paul's description of James in Galatians 1:19 as "the Lord's brother."{15} And Edwin Yamauchi informs us that "few scholars have questioned" that Josephus actually penned this passage.{16} As interesting as this brief reference is, there is an earlier one, which is truly astonishing. Called the "Testimonium Flavianum," the relevant portion declares: About this time there lived Jesus, a wise man, if indeed one ought to call him a man. For he . . . wrought surprising feats. . . . He was the Christ. When Pilate . . .condemned him to be CRUCIFIED, those who had . . . come to love him did not give up their affection for him. On the third day he appeared . . . restored to life. . . . And the tribe of Christians . . . has . . . not disappeared.{17}
"WHEN READING JOHN 10:30" John 10:28 Jesus says "I give eternal life to them. They will never perish and >>no one will snatch them out of my (JESUS) hand.
● John 10:30 is probably the most abused verse Oneness is using to prove that Father and Son are one and the same person. This verse is often used by itself without even looking at the broader passage context. THIS IS ABOUT SON'S CLAIMING EQUALITY WITH THE FATHER. John 10:25-30 New King James Version 25 Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in My Father’s name, they bear witness of Me. 26 But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep, as I said to you. 27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. 28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish;➡️ neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand.⬅️29 🔸️My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all;🔸️➡️ and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand.⬅️30■ I and My Father are one.” ■ THIS VERSE DOES NOT PROVE THAT FATHER AND SON ARE ONE AND THE SAME PERSON, ON THE CONTRARY; THIS VERSE ACTUALLY PROVES TRINITY, THAT FATHER AND SON ARE 2 PERSONS UNITED AS 1 BEING. ➡️ UNITY BETWEEN FATHER AND SON; WHATEVER THE FATHER DOES, THE SON ALSO DOES IN LIKE MANNER. 1 IN BEING. ⬅️ 🔸️DISTINCTION IN PERSONS; FATHER IS GREATER THAN SON🔸️ ■ I and my Father are UNITED ■
from 2:04:06 until 2:07:00 what a weird and silly context of john 17:3 given by Dr james white .. jesus clearly in clear ,simple and basic english said " THE ONLY TRUE GOD IS THE FATHER " what proves do you need more than that ? or maybe the trinity is stick for ever in your life.. by the way the trinity came 381 years after jesus.
[30] Then he brought them out and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” [31] And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.” [32] And they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all who were in his house. [33] And he took them the same hour of the night and washed their wounds; and he was baptized at once, he and all his family. [34] Then he brought them up into his house and set food before them. And he rejoiced along with his entire household that he had believed in God. (Acts 16:30-34 ESV) It says to believe in Jesus to be saved.If you read the last line in that it shows exactly who Jesus really is.If the Jesus you believe in is not God then you believe in a false Jesus.Also notice they were baptized that hour of the night,no need to wait.
kilyn12 .. You mean that, according to *THE BIBLE*, a person does *NOT* have to have a *12 month indoctrination of Watchtower books* before they can be BAPTIZED??... You mean a person can accept God's salvation through *faith in Christ* and be baptized *THAT SAME DAY??*. WOW!!!... This is certainly a revelation that "JW's" need to get!.
@@VAIO294 even more important is the revelation that Jesus is God. John 8:24-25;58 teach this. Colossians 1:15-23, John 1:1-14, Hebrews 1:1-4, Philippians 2:5-11, Revelation 5, the list goes on. It takes blind eyes and deaf ears to not see and hear that the Lord Jesus Christ is God in the flesh, the second of three persons in the Holy Trinity of the one and only Triune God.
@@VAIO294 Jesus Himself disagrees with you. If you do not believe Jesus is God, as revealed in John 1:1-14, Hebrews 1:1-4, Colossians 1:15-23, Etc then your faith is in an idolatrous Jesus, one who does not exist because you made Him up in your own mind. 1 John 2:22 says the antichrist is the one who denies Christ is Messiah who came in the flesh. The Messiah, as described in Matthew 1, is named Emmanuel, or God with us. The Bible is clear that Jesus is God, Jesus Himself claimed to be God (John 8:58, for example, where Jesus said ego eimi, or I am, a reference to how Jehova identified Himself in the OT prophets, Deuteronomy, Isaiah, etc.). Once again, in verse 24 below of John 8, Jesus said you'll die in your sins unless you believe He is ego eimi, in the Greek, or the I Am, Jehova. “23 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. 24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. 25 Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning.” John 8:23-25
@@shane316- *(Part 1)* - YOU are disagreeing with me, Jesus is not. --- Many *saved* people simply confessed Jesus as being _“Lord“,_ or _“The Messiah",_ or _"The Christ",_ or _"The Savior sent by God,"_ or _“The SON of the Living God”,_ as we see in these verses (Matthew 14:33, John 1:34, John 1:49, John 11:27, Acts 9:20.)
Jesse Sanchez [6] And I am sure of this, that he who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ. (Philippians 1:6 ESV)
*TO “JW’s”* … The difference between us Christians and you “JW’s” is *not* really the *“Trinity”* doctrine.... The difference is that, as Christians, *WE HAVE THE BIBLE* ,, and you “JW’s" have *Watchtower Publications* … As Christians, the Bible tells us that our salvation is through *JESUS CHRIST* .. So, we are going to keep standing on *THE BIBLE* and keep looking to *JESUS CHRIST*, trusting in what He has done for us as being our salvation.. We‘re *not* looking to ANY “organization” for our Salvation. But as “JW’s”, your magazines from the guys in New York are telling you that your salvation is through their *”Organization”* … Even though the BIBLE points you to *JESUS CHRIST Himself*, not to an “organization" for salvation, as “JW‘s” you continue to have faith in Watchtower publications and look to an *“organization”* that can *not* save you. So, that’s the real difference between us Christians and you “JW’s”… Christians accept and trust in **JESUS CHRIST** as our Savior, while you as a “JW” *reject* JESUS by believing salvation comes through the Watchtower “organization”. I do pray that even more of you will come out from under the Watchtower false-fear and *COME TO JESUS CHRIST* so that you can be saved while *“The Door”* is still open. >>> *John **6:45* ~ "Everyone who hears what The Father says and learns from Him, **COMES TO ME, JESUS**." >>> *John 10:9* ~ “**I, JESUS**, am **THE DOOR**.. Whoever enters by **ME, JESUS**, will be saved.” .
VAlO294 This is so simple and none of them will even consider that their organization is a false prophet.They are scared to think its even possible even when they see proof.
kilyn12... You're exactly right!.. Their continuous diet of Watchtower *fear*, including fear of being "shunned", makes most of them not even look at the proof that the WT guys in New York are simply lying to them and mis-directing their faith away from *CHRIST* to faith in an "organization".
Jo Ashley... Amen!.. Right now, when "JW's" hear that they need to "accept Jesus", their mind says *"Watchtower organization"*... So, they'll have to understand that "accepting Jesus" means just that, *accepting* **JESUS**, not the "organization" of those guys in New York.
John 11:23-26 👑 "Jesus said to her, “Your brother will rise again.” Martha said to Him, “I know that he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day.” Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live. And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?” She said to Him, “Yes, Lord, I believe that You are the Christ, the Son of God, who is to come into the world.”
John 5:26 Proves God is higher than Jesus.: For as the Father has life in Himself, so he has granted the Son to have life in himself. Jesus received his life from God. God received his life from no one. He is eternally self-existent.
Acts 20:28 "Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood." When did God the Father shed his blood to redeem us ?
Elpida Tanevramou greetings ! Sadly they translate it as : “ He bought by the blood of His own” meaning His own Son. But the real meaning like you said “ His own blood”
14:19 " jesus refused and said we have to proskuneó to God alone .. if this statement is not clear to refute the divinity of jesus i dont know wich statement will be .
What is the fruitage of the spirit of God? Do you walk in the spirit of God? Are you one with the Father? Matthew 6:43, “For no fine tree produces rotten fruit, and no rotten tree produces fine fruit. 44 For each tree is known by its own fruit. For example, people do not gather figs from thorns, nor do they cut grapes off a thornbush. 45 A good man brings good out of the good treasure of his heart, but a wicked man brings what is wicked out of his wicked treasure; for out of the heart’s abundance his mouth speaks. Galatians 5:22 On the other hand, the fruitage of the spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faith, 23 mildness, self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24 Moreover, those who belong to Christ Jesus have nailed to the stake the flesh together with its passions and desires. Remember. 1 Peter 3:15, But sanctify the Christ as Lord in your hearts, always ready to make a defense before everyone who demands of you a reason for the hope you have, but doing so with a mild temper and deep respect. Matthew 5:43, “You heard that it was said: ‘You must love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 However, I say to you: Continue to love your enemies and to pray for those who persecute you, 45 so that you may prove yourselves sons of your Father who is in the heavens, since he makes his sun rise on both the wicked and the good and makes it rain on both the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 For if you love those loving you, what reward do you have? Are not also the tax collectors doing the same thing? 47 And if you greet our brothers only, what extraordinary thing are you doing? Are not also the people of the nations doing the same thing? 48 You must accordingly be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
I truly agree, and you should take these verses to the church of christedom, because they have so much bloodguilt on their hand from throughout history.:)
linda hartle I've been wanting to say this to you for a while now....I really respect your extreme Patience and endurance under such circumstances in you dealings with this type of people...Are you looking forward to the international convention in Melbourne this year? 70.000 in attendance..
***** You didn't answer the question at all...Are you disagreeing with your discreet and slaves? (SMILES)....John 1:1 (NWT Greek) it reads NWT: και ο Λόγος ήταν θεός ( and the Word was god) Would you disagree with your discreet and slaves??? Why is the modern greek version of the NWT in John 1:1 exactly the same with the original text? Meaning THERE IS NO INDEFINITE ARTICLE and the NWT in the greek version sais " and the Word was god"??? Also, Why didn't your org add the indefinite article (Word was god) in their Greek NWT Bible??? Also, Why did they leave out the indefinite article (Word was god) in their Greek NWT Bible??? It has been over a month that you have been running away from this question....I love how you little demonic minions run away from your own discreet and slaves.
***** Yes sir...If the jdubs were to study the 1969 Kingdom Interlinear Bible they would know that they have a corrupted Bible (NWT). I have their 1969 Kingdom Interlinear Bible as well.
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*See if any of my Jehovah's Witness friends can spot where in the following scripture Jesus calls himself God (Luke **17:11**-19):* "On the way to Jerusalem Jesus was going through the region between Samaria and Galilee. 12 As he entered a village, ten lepers approached him. Keeping their distance, 13 they called out, saying, “Jesus, Master, have mercy on us!” 14 When he saw them, he said to them, “Go and show yourselves to the priests.” And as they went, they were made clean. 15 Then one of them, when he saw that he was healed, turned back, praising God with a loud voice. 16 He prostrated himself at Jesus’ feet and thanked him. And he was a Samaritan. 17 Then Jesus asked, “Were not ten made clean? But the other nine, where are they? 18 *Was none of them found to return and give praise to God except this foreigner?”* 19 Then he said to him, “Get up and go on your way; your faith has made you well.”
from those scriptures show that he is God but the arienists arrogantly fail to see Jesus is God , they have been misled to say to you ''because he is a ''god' , and God, ''JEHOVAH'', (as in kjv) was with him and only works through him, ( removing the true meaning of John 1:1) , therefore meaning he is demoted to a being in time and had a place on earth who was just a dot or a piece of dust, they don't know likewise, who knows what Peter was talking about' .. they still fail on John 2:19
Jesus Himself said it - the Son can do nothing of His own self - only that which His own God and Father commands Him to do. With that being said, here are some examples of what declarations of God's identity look like; 𝚃𝚑𝚞𝚜 𝚜𝚊𝚢𝚜 𝚈𝚊𝚑𝚠𝚎𝚑, 𝚢𝚘𝚞𝚛 𝚁𝚎𝚍𝚎𝚎𝚖𝚎𝚛, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚑𝚎 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝚏𝚘𝚛𝚖𝚎𝚍 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚏𝚛𝚘𝚖 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚠𝚘𝚖𝚋: "𝐈 𝐚𝐦 𝐘𝐚𝐡𝐰𝐞𝐡, 𝐰𝐡𝐨 𝐦𝐚𝐤𝐞𝐬 𝐚𝐥𝐥 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐠𝐬; 𝐰𝐡𝐨 𝐚𝐥𝐨𝐧𝐞 𝐬𝐭𝐫𝐞𝐭𝐜𝐡𝐞𝐬 𝐨𝐮𝐭 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐡𝐞𝐚𝐯𝐞𝐧𝐬; 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝚜𝚙𝚛𝚎𝚊𝚍𝚜 𝚘𝚞𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚎𝚊𝚛𝚝𝚑 𝚋𝚢 𝚖𝚢𝚜𝚎𝚕𝚏; 𝙸𝚜𝚊𝚒𝚊𝚑 𝟺𝟺.𝟸𝟺 𝙵𝚘𝚛 𝚝𝚑𝚞𝚜 𝚜𝚊𝚢𝚜 𝚈𝚊𝚑𝚠𝚎𝚑 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝚌𝚛𝚎𝚊𝚝𝚎𝚍 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚑𝚎𝚊𝚟𝚎𝚗𝚜, 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝙶𝚘𝚍 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝚏𝚘𝚛𝚖𝚎𝚍 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚎𝚊𝚛𝚝𝚑 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚖𝚊𝚍𝚎 𝚒𝚝, 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝚎𝚜𝚝𝚊𝚋𝚕𝚒𝚜𝚑𝚎𝚍 𝚒𝚝 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚍𝚒𝚍𝚗'𝚝 𝚌𝚛𝚎𝚊𝚝𝚎 𝚒𝚝 𝚊 𝚠𝚊𝚜𝚝𝚎, 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝚏𝚘𝚛𝚖𝚎𝚍 𝚒𝚝 𝚝𝚘 𝚋𝚎 𝚒𝚗𝚑𝚊𝚋𝚒𝚝𝚎𝚍: "𝐈 𝐚𝐦 𝐘𝐚𝐡𝐰𝐞𝐡; 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫𝐞 𝐢𝐬 𝐧𝐨 𝐨𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫. - 𝙸𝚜𝚊𝚒𝚊𝚑 𝟺𝟻.𝟷𝟾 𝚆𝚑𝚎𝚗 𝙰𝚋𝚛𝚊𝚖 𝚠𝚊𝚜 𝚗𝚒𝚗𝚎𝚝𝚢-𝚗𝚒𝚗𝚎 𝚢𝚎𝚊𝚛𝚜 𝚘𝚕𝚍, 𝚈𝚊𝚑𝚠𝚎𝚑 𝚊𝚙𝚙𝚎𝚊𝚛𝚎𝚍 𝚝𝚘 𝙰𝚋𝚛𝚊𝚖, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚜𝚊𝚒𝚍 𝚝𝚘 𝚑𝚒𝚖, "𝐈 𝐚𝐦 𝐆𝐨𝐝 𝐀𝐥𝐦𝐢𝐠𝐡𝐭𝐲. 𝚆𝚊𝚕𝚔 𝚋𝚎𝚏𝚘𝚛𝚎 𝚖𝚎, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚋𝚎 𝚋𝚕𝚊𝚖𝚎𝚕𝚎𝚜𝚜. - 𝙶𝚎𝚗𝚎𝚜𝚒𝚜 𝟷𝟽.𝟷 𝙶𝚘𝚍 𝚜𝚊𝚒𝚍 𝚝𝚘 𝚑𝚒𝚖, "𝐈 𝐚𝐦 𝐆𝐨𝐝 𝐀𝐥𝐦𝐢𝐠𝐡𝐭𝐲. 𝙱𝚎 𝚏𝚛𝚞𝚒𝚝𝚏𝚞𝚕 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚖𝚞𝚕𝚝𝚒𝚙𝚕𝚢. 𝙰 𝚗𝚊𝚝𝚒𝚘𝚗 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚊 𝚌𝚘𝚖𝚙𝚊𝚗𝚢 𝚘𝚏 𝚗𝚊𝚝𝚒𝚘𝚗𝚜 𝚠𝚒𝚕𝚕 𝚋𝚎 𝚏𝚛𝚘𝚖 𝚢𝚘𝚞, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚔𝚒𝚗𝚐𝚜 𝚠𝚒𝚕𝚕 𝚌𝚘𝚖𝚎 𝚘𝚞𝚝 𝚘𝚏 𝚢𝚘𝚞𝚛 𝚋𝚘𝚍𝚢. - 𝙶𝚎𝚗𝚎𝚜𝚒𝚜 𝟹𝟻.𝟷𝟷 𝟸𝙶𝚘𝚍 𝚜𝚙𝚘𝚔𝚎 𝚝𝚘 𝙼𝚘𝚜𝚎𝚜, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚜𝚊𝚒𝚍 𝚝𝚘 𝚑𝚒𝚖, "𝐈 𝐚𝐦 𝐘𝐚𝐡𝐰𝐞𝐡; 𝟹𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝙸 𝚊𝚙𝚙𝚎𝚊𝚛𝚎𝚍 𝚝𝚘 𝙰𝚋𝚛𝚊𝚑𝚊𝚖, 𝚝𝚘 𝙸𝚜𝚊𝚊𝚌, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚝𝚘 𝙹𝚊𝚌𝚘𝚋, 𝚊𝚜 𝙶𝚘𝚍 𝙰𝚕𝚖𝚒𝚐𝚑𝚝𝚢; 𝚋𝚞𝚝 𝚋𝚢 𝚖𝚢 𝚗𝚊𝚖𝚎 𝚈𝚊𝚑𝚠𝚎𝚑 𝙸 𝚠𝚊𝚜 𝚗𝚘𝚝 𝚔𝚗𝚘𝚠𝚗 𝚝𝚘 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚖 - 𝙴𝚡𝚘𝚍𝚞𝚜 𝟼.𝟸-𝟹 𝙵𝚘𝚛 𝐈 𝐚𝐦 𝐘𝐚𝐡𝐰𝐞𝐡 𝐲𝐨𝐮𝐫 𝐆𝐨𝐝. 𝚂𝚊𝚗𝚌𝚝𝚒𝚏𝚢 𝚢𝚘𝚞𝚛𝚜𝚎𝚕𝚟𝚎𝚜 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚛𝚎𝚏𝚘𝚛𝚎, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚋𝚎 𝚑𝚘𝚕𝚢; 𝚏𝚘𝚛 𝙸 𝚊𝚖 𝚑𝚘𝚕𝚢: 𝚗𝚎𝚒𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚛 𝚜𝚑𝚊𝚕𝚕 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚍𝚎𝚏𝚒𝚕𝚎 𝚢𝚘𝚞𝚛𝚜𝚎𝚕𝚟𝚎𝚜 𝚠𝚒𝚝𝚑 𝚊𝚗𝚢 𝚔𝚒𝚗𝚍 𝚘𝚏 𝚌𝚛𝚎𝚎𝚙𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝚝𝚑𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚖𝚘𝚟𝚎𝚜 𝚘𝚗 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚎𝚊𝚛𝚝𝚑. - 𝙻𝚎𝚟𝚒𝚝𝚒𝚌𝚞𝚜 𝟷𝟷.𝟺𝟺 Needless to say, and if you look closely, you will find that there are no such declarations used by Jesus written anywhere in the Bible - in contrast with Jesus' own God and Father{YHWH), who set the precedent, and leaving no room for questions on His authority as the one true God above all things. Which now leads to the question of why so many people are trying to make Jesus into something He is not? And as it turns out, the great majority of these people, do not want the truth as it was written, and so they seek an alternate doctrines over that of the Bibles.
@@SmalltimR *Just out of curiosity, have you ever read the instances in the NT? I'll provide you with just a few examples for your future reference.* *When it's obvious you are God, you don't need to declare it. People will see it with their own eyes and acknowledge it. But just so you understand. Jesus said he could do nothing outside of what the Father told him to do. Yes, you are correct. But do you know why?* *Because the Father and Jesus are ONE in essence and nature. God can only beget God. Jesus said the Father was literally DWELLING in HIM in John **14:10**. But that's not all. Thomas declared Jesus to be HIS Lord and God in John **20:28**. Jesus did not correct him but instead congratulated him for recognizing something that was obvious i.e. Jesus was God.* *Why did the Pharisees want to stone Jesus every time he declared himself THE Son of God? Because he was declaring himself to be God as THE Son of God? (see John **10:32**, 33) Because again he was stating the obvious i.e He was God.* *Even Jesus said to those that did not believe he WAS GOD to at least believe because of the works he was doing. (see John **10:38**; **14:11**)* *If you can address these scriptures I'll be happy to continue the conversation. I'll leave you with a specific scripture where Jesus indeed called himself God. And one more thing to remember. Only God will ever accept worship. Notice what Luke **17:11**-19 and see if you can spot where Jesus clearly identifies himself as God:* *On the way to Jerusalem Jesus was going through the region between Samaria and Galilee. 12 As he entered a village, ten lepers approached him. Keeping their distance, 13 they called out, saying, “Jesus, Master, have mercy on us!” 14 When he saw them, he said to them, “Go and show yourselves to the priests.” And as they went, they were made clean. 15 Then one of them, when he saw that he was healed, turned back, praising God with a loud voice. 16 He prostrated himself at Jesus’ feet and thanked him. And he was a Samaritan. 17 Then Jesus asked, “Were not ten made clean? But the other nine, where are they? 18 Was none of them found to return and give praise to God except this foreigner?” 19 Then he said to him, “Get up and go on your way; your faith has made you well.”* *May God bless your effort to find the truth.*
@@EXJehovahsWitnessesTestimonies *RE:* When it's obvious you are God, you don't need to declare it *A.* YHWH's declarations regarding His identity are always absolute and without question - with that said, Jesus never once identified Himself using similar language as His own God and Father *RE:* Because the Father and Jesus are ONE in essence and nature *A.* The Bible says the Father and Jesus are one - whereas the words; "in essence and nature" are nowhere written in the Bible As for Jesus' oneness with God, this is expanded upon in John 17 𝟸0𝙽𝚘𝚝 𝚏𝚘𝚛 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚜𝚎 𝚘𝚗𝚕𝚢 𝚍𝚘 𝙸 𝚙𝚛𝚊𝚢, 𝚋𝚞𝚝 𝚏𝚘𝚛 𝚝𝚑𝚘𝚜𝚎 𝚊𝚕𝚜𝚘 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝚋𝚎𝚕𝚒𝚎𝚟𝚎 𝚒𝚗 𝚖𝚎 𝚝𝚑𝚛𝚘𝚞𝚐𝚑 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚒𝚛 𝚠𝚘𝚛𝚍, 𝟸𝟷𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚢 𝚖𝚊𝚢 𝚊𝚕𝚕 𝚋𝚎 𝚘𝚗𝚎; 𝚎𝚟𝚎𝚗 𝚊𝚜 𝚢𝚘𝚞, 𝙵𝚊𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚛, 𝚊𝚛𝚎 𝚒𝚗 𝚖𝚎, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝙸 𝚒𝚗 𝚢𝚘𝚞, 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚢 𝚊𝚕𝚜𝚘 𝚖𝚊𝚢 𝚋𝚎 𝚘𝚗𝚎 𝚒𝚗 𝚞𝚜; 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚠𝚘𝚛𝚕𝚍 𝚖𝚊𝚢 𝚋𝚎𝚕𝚒𝚎𝚟𝚎 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚜𝚎𝚗𝚝 𝚖𝚎. 𝟸𝟸𝚃𝚑𝚎 𝚐𝚕𝚘𝚛𝚢 𝚠𝚑𝚒𝚌𝚑 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚑𝚊𝚟𝚎 𝚐𝚒𝚟𝚎𝚗 𝚖𝚎, 𝙸 𝚑𝚊𝚟𝚎 𝚐𝚒𝚟𝚎𝚗 𝚝𝚘 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚖; 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚢 𝚖𝚊𝚢 𝚋𝚎 𝚘𝚗𝚎, 𝚎𝚟𝚎𝚗 𝚊𝚜 𝚠𝚎 𝚊𝚛𝚎 𝚘𝚗𝚎; 𝟸𝟹𝙸 𝚒𝚗 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚖, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚒𝚗 𝚖𝚎, 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚢 𝚖𝚊𝚢 𝚋𝚎 𝚙𝚎𝚛𝚏𝚎𝚌𝚝𝚎𝚍 𝚒𝚗𝚝𝚘 𝚘𝚗𝚎; 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚠𝚘𝚛𝚕𝚍 𝚖𝚊𝚢 𝚔𝚗𝚘𝚠 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚜𝚎𝚗𝚝 𝚖𝚎, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚕𝚘𝚟𝚎𝚍 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚖, 𝚎𝚟𝚎𝚗 𝚊𝚜 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚕𝚘𝚟𝚎𝚍 𝚖𝚎. 𝟸𝟺𝙵𝚊𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚛, 𝙸 𝚍𝚎𝚜𝚒𝚛𝚎 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚢 𝚊𝚕𝚜𝚘 𝚠𝚑𝚘𝚖 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚑𝚊𝚟𝚎 𝚐𝚒𝚟𝚎𝚗 𝚖𝚎 𝚋𝚎 𝚠𝚒𝚝𝚑 𝚖𝚎 𝚠𝚑𝚎𝚛𝚎 𝙸 𝚊𝚖, 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚢 𝚖𝚊𝚢 𝚜𝚎𝚎 𝚖𝚢 𝚐𝚕𝚘𝚛𝚢, 𝚠𝚑𝚒𝚌𝚑 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚑𝚊𝚟𝚎 𝚐𝚒𝚟𝚎𝚗 𝚖𝚎, 𝚏𝚘𝚛 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚕𝚘𝚟𝚎𝚍 𝚖𝚎 𝚋𝚎𝚏𝚘𝚛𝚎 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚏𝚘𝚞𝚗𝚍𝚊𝚝𝚒𝚘𝚗 𝚘𝚏 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚠𝚘𝚛𝚕𝚍. 𝟸𝟻𝚁𝚒𝚐𝚑𝚝𝚎𝚘𝚞𝚜 𝙵𝚊𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚛, 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚠𝚘𝚛𝚕𝚍 𝚑𝚊𝚜𝚗'𝚝 𝚔𝚗𝚘𝚠𝚗 𝚢𝚘𝚞, 𝚋𝚞𝚝 𝙸 𝚔𝚗𝚎𝚠 𝚢𝚘𝚞; 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚜𝚎 𝚔𝚗𝚎𝚠 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚜𝚎𝚗𝚝 𝚖𝚎. 𝟸𝟼𝙸 𝚖𝚊𝚍𝚎 𝚔𝚗𝚘𝚠𝚗 𝚝𝚘 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚖 𝚢𝚘𝚞𝚛 𝚗𝚊𝚖𝚎, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚠𝚒𝚕𝚕 𝚖𝚊𝚔𝚎 𝚒𝚝 𝚔𝚗𝚘𝚠𝚗; 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚕𝚘𝚟𝚎 𝚠𝚒𝚝𝚑 𝚠𝚑𝚒𝚌𝚑 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚕𝚘𝚟𝚎𝚍 𝚖𝚎 𝚖𝚊𝚢 𝚋𝚎 𝚒𝚗 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚖, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝙸 𝚒𝚗 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚖." - 𝙹𝚘𝚑𝚗 𝟷𝟽.𝟸0-𝟸𝟼 *RE:* God can only beget God *A.* YHWH is not begotten of anything or anyone *RE:* Thomas declared Jesus to be HIS Lord and God in John 20:28 *A.* Thomas declared His faith by means of Jesus Christ's death and resurrection; 𝙹𝚎𝚜𝚞𝚜 𝚜𝚊𝚒𝚍 𝚝𝚘 𝚑𝚒𝚖, "𝙱𝚎𝚌𝚊𝚞𝚜𝚎 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚑𝚊𝚟𝚎 𝚜𝚎𝚎𝚗 𝚖𝚎, 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚑𝚊𝚟𝚎 𝚋𝚎𝚕𝚒𝚎𝚟𝚎𝚍. 𝙱𝚕𝚎𝚜𝚜𝚎𝚍 𝚊𝚛𝚎 𝚝𝚑𝚘𝚜𝚎 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝚑𝚊𝚟𝚎 𝚗𝚘𝚝 𝚜𝚎𝚎𝚗, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚑𝚊𝚟𝚎 𝚋𝚎𝚕𝚒𝚎𝚟𝚎𝚍." - 𝙹𝚘𝚑𝚗 𝟸0.𝟸𝟿 𝟷"𝙳𝚘𝚗'𝚝 𝚕𝚎𝚝 𝚢𝚘𝚞𝚛 𝚑𝚎𝚊𝚛𝚝 𝚋𝚎 𝚝𝚛𝚘𝚞𝚋𝚕𝚎𝚍. 𝙱𝚎𝚕𝚒𝚎𝚟𝚎 𝚒𝚗 𝙶𝚘𝚍. 𝙱𝚎𝚕𝚒𝚎𝚟𝚎 𝚊𝚕𝚜𝚘 𝚒𝚗 𝚖𝚎. - 𝙹𝚘𝚑𝚗 𝟷𝟺.𝟷 𝟹𝙱𝚕𝚎𝚜𝚜𝚎𝚍 𝚋𝚎 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝙶𝚘𝚍 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝙵𝚊𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚛 𝚘𝚏 𝚘𝚞𝚛 𝙻𝚘𝚛𝚍 𝙹𝚎𝚜𝚞𝚜 𝙲𝚑𝚛𝚒𝚜𝚝, 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝚊𝚌𝚌𝚘𝚛𝚍𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝚝𝚘 𝚑𝚒𝚜 𝚐𝚛𝚎𝚊𝚝 𝚖𝚎𝚛𝚌𝚢 𝚋𝚎𝚌𝚊𝚖𝚎 𝚘𝚞𝚛 𝚏𝚊𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚛 𝚊𝚐𝚊𝚒𝚗 𝚝𝚘 𝚊 𝚕𝚒𝚟𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝚑𝚘𝚙𝚎 𝚝𝚑𝚛𝚘𝚞𝚐𝚑 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚛𝚎𝚜𝚞𝚛𝚛𝚎𝚌𝚝𝚒𝚘𝚗 𝚘𝚏 𝙹𝚎𝚜𝚞𝚜 𝙲𝚑𝚛𝚒𝚜𝚝 𝚏𝚛𝚘𝚖 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚍𝚎𝚊𝚍 - 𝟷 𝙿𝚎𝚝𝚎𝚛 𝟷.𝟹 The words _"my Lord"_ referred to Jesus Christ, whereas _"my God",_ referred to the God who sent Him. The problem here, is that people seek to overlook the standing arrangement between Jesus and His God in an effort to make Him into something He is not. 𝙹𝚘𝚑𝚗 𝟷𝟸:𝟺𝟺 𝙷𝚎 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝚋𝚎𝚕𝚒𝚎𝚟𝚎𝚜 𝚒𝚗 𝚖𝚎, 𝚋𝚎𝚕𝚒𝚎𝚟𝚎𝚜 𝚒𝚗 𝐇𝐢𝐦 𝐰𝐡𝐨 𝐬𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐦𝐞 𝙹𝚘𝚑𝚗 𝟷𝟸:𝟺𝟻 𝙷𝚎 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝚜𝚎𝚎𝚜 𝚖𝚎, 𝚜𝚎𝚎𝚜 𝐇𝐢𝐦 𝐰𝐡𝐨 𝐬𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐦𝐞 𝙹𝚘𝚑𝚗 𝟷𝟺:𝟿 𝙷𝚎 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝚑𝚊𝚜 𝚜𝚎𝚎𝚗 𝚖𝚎, 𝐡𝐚𝐬 𝐬𝐞𝐞𝐧 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐅𝐚𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫 𝙹𝚘𝚑𝚗 𝟸0:𝟸𝟾 𝙼𝚢 𝙻𝚘𝚛𝚍 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝐌𝐲 𝐆𝐨𝐝 The Bible tells us that while no one has ever seen God, that it was Jesus who revealed Him to humanity; 𝙽𝚘 𝚘𝚗𝚎 𝚑𝚊𝚜 𝚜𝚎𝚎𝚗 𝙶𝚘𝚍 𝚊𝚝 𝚊𝚗𝚢 𝚝𝚒𝚖𝚎. 𝚃𝚑𝚎 𝚘𝚗𝚎 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚘𝚗𝚕𝚢 𝚂𝚘𝚗, 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝚒𝚜 𝚒𝚗 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚋𝚘𝚜𝚘𝚖 𝚘𝚏 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝙵𝚊𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚛, 𝚑𝚎 𝚑𝚊𝚜 𝚍𝚎𝚌𝚕𝚊𝚛𝚎𝚍 𝚑𝚒𝚖. - 𝙹𝚘𝚑𝚗 𝟷.𝟷𝟾 Therefore, Thomas' confessed what the Gospel of John is about; 𝚆𝚒𝚝𝚑𝚘𝚞𝚝 𝚌𝚘𝚗𝚝𝚛𝚘𝚟𝚎𝚛𝚜𝚢, 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚖𝚢𝚜𝚝𝚎𝚛𝚢 𝚘𝚏 𝚐𝚘𝚍𝚕𝚒𝚗𝚎𝚜𝚜 𝚒𝚜 𝚐𝚛𝚎𝚊𝚝: 𝙶𝚘𝚍 𝚠𝚊𝚜 𝚛𝚎𝚟𝚎𝚊𝚕𝚎𝚍 𝚒𝚗 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚏𝚕𝚎𝚜𝚑, 𝚓𝚞𝚜𝚝𝚒𝚏𝚒𝚎𝚍 𝚒𝚗 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚜𝚙𝚒𝚛𝚒𝚝, 𝚜𝚎𝚎𝚗 𝚋𝚢 𝚊𝚗𝚐𝚎𝚕𝚜, 𝚙𝚛𝚎𝚊𝚌𝚑𝚎𝚍 𝚊𝚖𝚘𝚗𝚐 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚗𝚊𝚝𝚒𝚘𝚗𝚜, 𝚋𝚎𝚕𝚒𝚎𝚟𝚎𝚍 𝚘𝚗 𝚒𝚗 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚠𝚘𝚛𝚕𝚍, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚛𝚎𝚌𝚎𝚒𝚟𝚎𝚍 𝚞𝚙 𝚒𝚗 𝚐𝚕𝚘𝚛𝚢. - 𝟷 𝚃𝚒𝚖 𝟹.𝟷𝟼 𝚢𝚎𝚝 𝚝𝚘 𝚞𝚜 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚛𝚎 𝚒𝚜 𝐨𝐧𝐞 𝐆𝐨𝐝, 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐅𝐚𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫, 𝚘𝚏 𝚠𝚑𝚘𝚖 𝚊𝚛𝚎 𝚊𝚕𝚕 𝚝𝚑𝚒𝚗𝚐𝚜, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚠𝚎 𝚏𝚘𝚛 𝚑𝚒𝚖; 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝐨𝐧𝐞 𝐋𝐨𝐫𝐝, 𝐉𝐞𝐬𝐮𝐬 𝐂𝐡𝐫𝐢𝐬𝐭, 𝚝𝚑𝚛𝚘𝚞𝚐𝚑 𝚠𝚑𝚘𝚖 𝚊𝚛𝚎 𝚊𝚕𝚕 𝚝𝚑𝚒𝚗𝚐𝚜, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚠𝚎 𝚕𝚒𝚟𝚎 𝚝𝚑𝚛𝚘𝚞𝚐𝚑 𝚑𝚒𝚖. - 𝟷 𝙲𝚘𝚛 𝟾:𝟼 _My Lord (Jesus Christ), and My God(the Father)..._ *RE:* Why did the Pharisees want to stone Jesus every time he declared himself THE Son of God? *A.* Because they believed He was lying - as is recorded in scripture *RE:* Even Jesus said to those that did not believe he WAS GOD... *A.* There are no such words written in the Bible however With that said, here are a few points for your consideration; 1. No one has ever seen God's face - can we say the same of Jesus on earth or in heaven? 2. God is above all things, serves no higher power, has not God - can we say the same of Jesus on earth and in heaven? 3. God declared Himself as doing "all things alone and by Himself" - can we say the same of Jesus on earth and in heaven? 4. There is only God above all, through all and in us all and that is the Father - can we say the same of Jesus on earth and in heaven? 5. Jesus called His God and Father the only true God - can we say the same of Jesus on earth and in heaven? 6. Jesus identified His own God and Father as our God and Father - can we say the same of Jesus on earth and in heaven? 7. There is only one God on the throne given the glory, honor and blessing for all things in existence - can we say the same of Jesus on earth and in heaven? 8. Jesus' God and Father is the only; Almighty God, God of Gods, Most High God, only true God, Supreme God - can we say the same of Jesus on earth and in heaven? In contrast with; 9. Jesus who has a God above Him on earth and in heaven 10. Jesus who can do nothing of Himself 11. Jesus who is given all things by a higher power; title, position, authority, power, etc 12. Jesus who does as His God and Father commands Him to do 13. Jesus who is the way to God 14. Jesus who belongs to God 15. Jesus who carries-out God's will Needless to say, when Jesus taught us to worship His own God and Father alone, He was not holding back on the truth revealed to humanity. And if we follow in Jesus' own footsteps, we will do right by God and His Son Christ Jesus by adhering to His teachings and commandments.
@@SmalltimR *With all due respect, your response to my assertions are false based on the rest of scripture. My comment stands on its own merits. Nothing more to add or correct. I encourage you to study how to do proper bible exegesis. I'll leave you with one of your replies that really made me think if you were sane or not:* *RE:* Why did the Pharisees want to stone Jesus every time he declared himself THE Son of God? *A.* Because they believed He was lying - as is recorded in scripture *No, Jesus was telling the truth that he was indeed God the Son or Son of God.*
Usually, the more away from Bible Truth a denomination or an organization is... the more they tell their members that they are unable to understand the Bible by themselves... They need the "organization" to "explain" the Bible to them... with "Bible aids"... etc... WRONG! THE BIBLE IS GOD'S WORDS SENT TO US IN ORDER TO KNOW HIM. They insult God himself with this statement. As if God was incapable to be clear in HIS OWN WORDS! 1 John 2:26,27 "26 I write these things to you about those who are trying to deceive you. 27 But the anointing that you received from him abides in you, and you have no need that anyone should teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about everything, and is true, and is no lie-just as it has taught you, abide in him." Matthew 23:10 " Nor are you to be called 'Teachers,' because you have only one teacher, the Messiah!"
Shadegat3 John 1:1 (NWT Greek) it reads NWT: και ο Λόγος ήταν θεός ( and the Word was god) Would you disagree with your discreet and slaves??? Why is the modern greek version of the NWT in John 1:1 exactly the same with the original text? Meaning THERE IS NO INDEFINITE ARTICLE and the NWT in the greek version sais " and the Word was god"??? Also, Why didn't your org add the indefinite article (Word was god) in their Greek NWT Bible??? Also, Why did they leave out the indefinite article (Word was god) in their Greek NWT Bible???
kilyn12 I will have to say yes according to their own NWT Greek Version. Top it off, makes you wonder why they left out the indefinite article in their NWT Greek Version.... What were they trying to hide? Better yet, I believe they were scared to add the indefinite article. Imagine if they did???
kilyn12 They are taught to lie at all cost....Insight Volume 2 (1988) page 244-245 While malicious lying is definitely condemned in the Bible, this does not mean that a person is under obligation to divulge truthful information to people who are not entitled to it.
kilyn12 They are taught to lie again.......Watchtower 6-1-1960 pages 352 There is one exception, however, that the Christian must ever bear in mind. As a soldier of Christ he is in theocratic warfare and he must exercise added caution when dealing with God’s foes. Thus the Scriptures show that for the purpose of protecting the interests of God’s cause, it is proper to hide the truth from God’s enemies.
Crucifixion was probably the most horrible form of capital punishment ever devised by man. It was designed to be a lingering death. The victim, as a rule, was first subjected to flagellation, that is, a beating with a three-thong whip (fashioned of plaited leather, and studded with bone and metal designed in that way so that the flogging with it, tore the flesh and entered deep in the body of the victim...). He was stripped naked and then secured with leather ties. Roman executioners had perfected the art of slow torture while keeping the victim alive. Some victims even lingered until they were eaten alive by birds of prey or wild beasts. Most hung on the cross for days before dying. When the legs would no longer support the weight of the body, the diaphragm was constricted in a way that made breathing impossible!!! That is why breaking the legs would hasten death (John 19:31-33), but this was unnecessary in Jesus’ case because He, not the Romans, chose the moment of His death (John 19:30). Why was Jesus given vinegar mixed with gall? To dull the pain. A cup of vinegar mixed with gall and myrrh was sometimes given, for the purpose of deadening the pangs of the sufferer. Jesus refused this cup, that his senses might be clear (Matt. 27:34).
Elpida Tanevramou I am in tears my Sister to read this... Every time when I read about Jesus' crucifixion it always brings me down to my knees. More the glory, praise, honor and power to our God and Savior, Jesus Christ. Thank you for the share. HE (Jesus) never deserved it.... Such a loving, powerful and Almighty God (Jesus) we have.
***** Eagle, these days, it is the Holy week for us. I have many things to do and share with my family. I just entered to answer to one or two questions this morning, and I posted this. I will stop writing for a while. I promise to answer what I believe about Paradise, Heaven etc... It is a very big subject I believe and I konw that we will have a long talk about it. So, I'd prefer be concentrated on it. If you don't mind, : ) I believe you will not suffer during my absence, so... Take care Eagle. We'll talk don't worry....
Elpida Tanevramou He has no clue what he responded to and overlooked your post but rather come on and mock with a smile. If he had read your post, I am sure he would have a little more respect for Jesus Christ and not have commented at all. Majority of people will never know the LOVE that HE (Jesus) gives graciously when one "calls on HIS (Jesus) name to be saved" Romans 10:13 to receive the free gift of grace justified by the conviction of the Holy Spirit for a renewal of Heart and Spirit. God Bless You Elpida and thanks for the Share.
WOW. This debate was 🔥 🔥 🔥 James White is the 🐐 and this kid was GOOD. He must have been trained for this since his youth to be the JW champ. But no Goliath can stand up to Yahweh’s anointed!
He is not a JW... JW's do not participate in Debates... only peaceful discussions.... he is a back slider hence y he took the stand... But did really well for a back slider
@@kenba3636ARE U SURE? U cannot even define 1. Begotten 2. born 3. son u even deny Jesus' own words when he said Pray this way ... our father... which means the jesus want us 2 call god father the way he calls him father... so if jesus is yahweh does this mean we r also ... coz he old us to call god father as he did as well
@@BlackJ1234why add something to the bible if you think you are correct, like in John 1:1, your religion added "a god", when in the interlinear bible it says "God". Even in Colossians 1:16-17 your religion added the word "all other",why why why???
>>> *1 John 4:1* ~ "Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but *TEST THE SPIRITS* to see whether they are from God, for many *FALSE PROPHETS* have gone out into the world." We must *TEST THE SPIRITS*. Does the Watchtower "god" point you to *FAITH in JESUS CHRIST* for your salvation like *Almighty God* says,, (Rom 3:22-25),,, or to faith in an "organization" *instead of CHRIST*, like Satan does?... *TEST THE SPIRITS!*
*TO “JW’s”* …. What exactly are you trying to offer to people other than a direct road to *The Lake of Fire*???... I mean,, you have NO access to God to offer because access to God is through JESUS CHRIST, *not* through the Watchtower Cult. - (John 14:6) ..... And you have NO Eternal Life to offer because our Eternal Life is through Faith in JESUS CHRIST, *not* through the Watchtower Cult. - (Roman 3:22 see below) So again, what are you trying to offer to people other than a direct road to *The Lake of Fire*? >>> Rom 3:22 ~ “This Salvation from God comes through *FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST* to *ALL* who Believe.. *THERE IS NO DISTINCTION*.” .
The verse that the Jehovah's Witnesses love to hate: It is written, "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, says the Lord God, He Who is and Who was and Who is to come, the Almighty." (Revelation 1:8 AMP) Now, I would like to ask the Jehovah's Witnesses, "Who is to come?" The Father Jehovah or the Son Jesus Christ? The Definitive Answer is: It is written, "He Who gives this warning and affirms and testifies to these things says, Yes, I am coming quickly. Amen! Yes, come, Lord Jesus!" (Revelation 22:20)
@@nathangreen1692 Colossians 1:15-17 Note that Jesus is called the firstborn, not the first-created (Greek word protoktistos). The word "firstborn" (Greek word "prototokos") signifies priority. In the culture of the Ancient Near East, the firstborn was not necessarily the oldest child. Firstborn referred not to birth order but to rank. The firstborn possessed the inheritance and leadership. Therefore, the phrase expresses Christ’s sovereignty over creation. TAKE NOTE: HE IS BEFORE ALL THINGS. He is not part of all things or creation. Who can be before creation? GOD
Proof #30 The Son is God NOT A CREATURE Revelation 5:13 New King James Version 13 And every creature which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, I heard saying: “Blessing and honor and glory and power Be to Him who sits on the throne, And to the Lamb, forever and ever!” The Son is in heaven here, he should be part of every creature that is in heaven; instead the Son together with the Father was praise, honored and glorified by every creature. THE SON IS NOT A CREATURE. Remember, there is only God and His Creation; only Creator and His Creatures. If the Son is not a Creature then he must be the Creator, therefore he must be GOD.
How would you explain. 1Tim 3:16, mr jw? And 2tim 3:16 What God inspired the scriptures, if it's not Johova then you worship a different God not the creator, then you are an idol worshiper?
We don't need a JW to set the record straight; manifest = reveal _without controversy, the mystery of godliness is great: GOD was revealed in the flesh, justified in the spirit, seen by angels, preached among the nations, believed on in the world, and received up in glory_ - 1 Tim 3.16 _every Scripture is God-breathed and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for instruction in righteousness_ - 2 Tim 3.16 That said, does scripture show GOD was revealed in the man Jesus Christ on earth? _...believe the works, that you may know and believe that the Father is in me, and I in the Father'_ - John Needless to say and as it turns out, GOD was most definitely revealed in the flesh through the man Jesus Christ on earth
@@tonydiaz2378 Before answering, is there a particular reason that you would express laughing out loud while discussing this very important topic? Likewise, and should you identify as a follower of Christ, I would urge that you consider the example set by Jesus so-as to honor His death and sacrifice with the respect that He deserves, rather than to come across in mockery on what we'd conclude to one of the most important topics known to man in our day. That being said, and with regard to your response, I would say that the words 'I am in the Father...', would certainly come-across oddly without context, and so, with that said, would you be so kind as to cite the entire scripture so that we can consider the intended context?
*TO *“JW’s”* …. Preaching against "hell-fire" and against the "trinity doctrine" *DOES NOT SAVE ANYONE*.. Repentance and *Faith in JESUS CHRIST* does! >>> *Acts **20:21* ~ “.. turn to God in *Repentance* and have **FAITH in JESUS CHRIST**.” >>> *Rom **3:22**-25* ~ "This Salvation from God comes through **FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST** to **ALL** who Believe. **THERE IS NO DISTINCTION** because ALL have Sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, and we are saved Freely by His Grace *THROUGH OUR FAITH IN JESUS' BLOOD*." >>> *John **3:36* ~ "Whoever Believes in *JESUS* HAS Everlasting Life.” .
God the father, Jesus d son so therefore genetics speaks for itself Jehovah is God so his DNA is flowing through Jesus Christ which mean he and d father is one 'unity' no separation yes d father is greater dan d son but dey are one! Can ah apple make ah pear? If you as ah father make ah son will born ah dog? So if the father is Jehovah God then who is jesus as his only begotten son
The Trinity Doctrine is not taught anywhere in scripture, but trinities were common in Paganism. They are rooted in Babylon, prominent in Egypt, still exist in India, and is the foundation of Roman Catholicism. The beginnings of recognition of this doctrine for Christianity started at the Council of Nicea approximately 325 AD. Hundreds of years after the last book in the Bible was written. The Council of Nicea was organized by the Roman Emperor Constantine and he had the final say on matters that he had little understanding of. He was also head of the Pagan religions. During and after the Roman Empire, creed followed creed, and eventually idols were accepted as forms that we can worship God through. Mary was exalted to Mother of God (a title that goes back to Babylon) and worship of the saints was also sanctioned. The organized church we see today was built on top of these creeds. The creeds were and are the foundation for many of today’s churches/denominations. These denominations are not to be confused with the Body of Christ spoken of in the scripture. Most denominations are still rooted in a Trinitarian creed of some kind. So their foundation is the Trinity which came from Babylon. The mother of these denominations the Roman Catholic Church murdered approximately 50 million people, had armies which Jesus had said his church did not need, and banned access to scripture to Christians. This time is known by the descriptive term, ‘The Dark Ages’. As a result of the Reformation, many new denominations started up, but they too held onto some of the creeds including the Trinity Doctrine. Babylon means confusion and the foundation of most denominations is the Trinity Doctrine which is confusing to all, even proponents of the doctrine. People are told to come out Babylon the Mystery religion lest we partake in her sins and iniquity. Who is Babylon? She is the mother of all harlots and the kings of the Earth have committed adultery with her. She is the religious system that was rooted in Babylon and she has made the whole world drunk on her wine. From a historical point of view it seems strange to me that one of the pillars of Christianity didn’t come into existence or wasn’t recognized until 300 years after the death of Christ. On this point alone, I think its strange that we are encouraged not to question this doctrine and worse still, the the circumstances in which this doctrine came about should lead any clear thinking person to be at least suspicious. In addition to that, the fruit of this doctrine appears to be bad. We know that one lie leads to another and history shows us that making Jesus God, opened the door for Mary to become the mother of God. Further, if Mary is the Mother of God, then that opens the door to the worship of other humans or saints.
Let me refresh you on how God reveals Himself in the bible, which is the Trinity: Father is God Son is God Holy Spirit is God They are not 3 Gods, but 1 God Father is Yahweh Son is Yahweh Holy Spirit is Yahweh They are not 3 Yahwehs, but 1 Yahweh Father is not the Son Son is not the Holy Spirit Holy Spirit is not the Father 3 DISTINCT PERSONS 1 UNITED INFINITE YAHWEH GOD
In Trinity: Father - is a spirit (fully God) Son - Spirit of Christ (fully God) Human (fully Man with body, soul and spirit) Holy Spirit - is a spirit (fully God)
If Jesus was executed on a torture stake, with both hands together over his head, why does John 20:25 say "...Unless I see in his hands the print of the nailS ...", indicating that there was more than one nail used for his hands?
[39] “‘See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god beside me; I kill and I make alive; I wound and I heal; and there is none that can deliver out of my hand. (Deuteronomy 32:39 ESV) [13] Also henceforth I am he; there is none who can deliver from my hand; I work, and who can turn it back?” (Isaiah 43:13 ESV) If God does something nobody can undo it.Easy enough to understand. [28] I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. (John 10:28 ESV) Jesus makes the exact same claim.How is it possible for a created being to make this claim?
sherrie k You fail to look at what he said.It has nothing to do with placing things in his hands its about nothing can be taken out of his hand.Two different statements.
kilyn12 you've taken one verse out of the Bible in order to fit to your idea of the One True God. But why not include the surrounding verses to back up your statement, or support your theory? Could it be that the surrounding verses prove your theory wrong? You read verse 28. Now let's examine and discuss verses 25-32, & verses 36-38. Jesus says "I told you guys already, I'm the Christ, but no matter how many times I keep telling you the same thing, you just won't believe me. I healed the blind, cured the sick, & the dead live again because of me. But I don't take credit for these works. I'm just a vessel because I do the works of the Father who sent me. The reason you can't believe it is because you are not my sheep. You don't belong to me. You belong to the devil Satan because he is a liar. My sheep hear my voice, and they listen. They don't twist things around, they don't misquote my sayings. They follow my word and my direction. In return, I give them everlasting life. They will never taste everlasting destruction, because God has given me the power over death to protect them from everlasting destruction. Don't you guys know I can bring anyone from the dead? No one can take My sheep out of my protection. My Father has given me, or bestowed upon me, the power to protect them. My sheep are in my hand, but WE are all in God's hands, including me. And not Satan or ANYONE can snatch us out of His hands. The Father and I are one because we're united, oriented, connected, in harmony with each other. I've already shown you what our Father in the heavens can do while I'm here on Earth carrying out these works. And you want to kill me because I'm showing you what God promises to do for all his righteous servants? How else would you be able to believe it unless I came down and showed you what he can do through me, his Son?" Verse 36-38 "If I, Jesus, the Son of God, am not healing the sick, and preaching and teaching the word of God, and letting the lame walk again, and letting the dead live again in the name of my Father, Jehovah, then don't believe in me. Don't trust me. Don't put your faith in me at all. On the other hand, if I AM doing these great things in the name of my Father YHWH, and you still don't want to believe me, then fine. Don't. Just believe that these works come from God. Don't believe in me. But definitely believe in the Father who is doing these works through me, because like I said in verse 30, the father is connected, or united to me, and I am also connected, in harmony, or in union with the Father."
Jon B I didn't talk about all the other verses in the chapter because I was not giving a commentary on the whole chapter I was comparing a phrase from one chapter with a few from the old testament.You completely ignored the point and try downgrade Jesus. Lets look at some of the phrases from the verses you pointed out and I bet you don't like what you read. [1] “If a prophet or a dreamer of dreams arises among you and gives you a sign or a wonder, [2] and the sign or wonder that he tells you comes to pass, and if he says, ‘Let us go after other gods,’ which you have not known, ‘and let us serve them,’ [3] you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams. For the LORD your God is testing you, to know whether you love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul. [4] You shall walk after the LORD your God and fear him and keep his commandments and obey his voice, and you shall serve him and hold fast to him. (Deuteronomy 13:1-4 ESV) [25] Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in my Father's name bear witness about me, [26] but you do not believe because you are not among my sheep. (John 10:25-26 ESV) If you think Jesus is another God then this should be a red flag.Do you love the LORD your God or not? [17] None of the devoted things shall stick to your hand, that the LORD may turn from the fierceness of his anger and show you mercy and have compassion on you and multiply you, as he swore to your fathers, [18] if you obey the voice of the LORD your God, keeping all his commandments that I am commanding you today, and doing what is right in the sight of the LORD your God. (Deuteronomy 13:17-18 ESV) [27] My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. (John 10:27 ESV) Do you understand what Jesus was saying yet? [33] The Jews answered him, “It is not for a good work that we are going to stone you but for blasphemy, because you, being a man, make yourself God.” (John 10:33 ESV) Here is the one that you skipped over.Jesus was making many claims about himself that the Jews understood.How are you going to use those verses as a proof text to deny Jesus,when the text says Jesus was calling himself God?
ToastalStrudelYah You quoted "2 Corinthians 5:16 Therefore from now on we recognize no one according to the flesh; even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know Him in this way no longer. " Yet you did not identify what it is speaking of, listen hear false teacher and allow me to help you with Context. 2 Cor. 5:16 Paul emphasizes spiritual judgment and spiritual insight into people’s lives and situations. Our experience of Christ’s love moves us to stop viewing others according to worldly standards and to learn how to view them from the standpoint of God’s great act of salvation in Jesus Christ. When speaking according to the flesh. >>When Christ was regarded from a worldly point of view, men rejected and crucified Him as a blasphemer and troublemaker.>But from the *divine* viewpoint, Christ is the Messiah and Son of God, in whom the new creation and reconciliation with God is given.
What??????? I was not going into the entire message of what Paul is teaching only the piece that shows Christ is no longer flesh. They know him in a spiritual sense... You really do add a little too much to the scripture. 1 Peter 3:18 18 For Christ died once for all time for sins,+ a righteous person for unrighteous ones,+ in order to lead you to God.+ He was put to death in the flesh+ but made alive in the spirit. John 20:17 17 Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers+ and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father+ and your Father and to my God+ and your God.’” We know flesh can not enter into heaven.
ToastalStrudelYah "but made alive in the spirit.' This does not say was raised a spirit...sorry TS But this spirit you speak of.....would that happen to be Michael...who ceased to exist once God removed his life force...essentially destroying the person of Michael?
ToastalStrudelYah If you read the entire chapter you would understand. But you are only cherry picking to support CT Russel doctrine. You stated "Paul is teaching only the piece that shows Christ is no longer flesh" No Toasty... That is not what Paul is teaching or implying at all. You take the scripture out of context. 1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being >>put to death in the flesh>Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father
Jesse Sanchez GOD allowed Jesus to be seen. Notice Mary didn't know who he was to begin with. You can bend the scriptures all you want, we all know flesh can not enter into heaven. Flesh doesn't walk thru walls, but I respect how you view the scriptures. No need to continue this discussion we have already been down this road.
ToastalStrudelYah You also stated "We know flesh can not enter into heaven" That is a lie. Scripture says flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom. 1 Corinthians 15:50-54 ''Now this I say, brethren, >>that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God
Not sure, but Greg left the watch tower and no longer associates with them. This is a praise report. He disagrees on many of the false teachings of the watch tower. For one, he disagrees on the blood transfusion. I feel bad for those who lost their lives because they gave their live to the watch tower teachings. Jesus Bless you Bro.
+TheCaledonianBoy Nevertheless, the seed was planted and no longer believes Jesus is Michael but the Son of God. Praise report, he literally speaks against the watch tower traditions negatively. Point made he no longer asociates with the watch tower. The Holy Spirit is wooing him to help other watch tower memebers.
+ Regardless of how he feels about the WT, the point is in this debate he came out on top. And all things spoken of in this debate he still believes. He defended his position, that he still holds to, that Jesus is not God. Good job
A question to the Jahova witness Guy: How do you explain Isaiah 42 about the servant of God, That the Lord God said in chapter 43:10 that He is this servant He’s talking about, and Paul says in Philippians 2:6-7 that God emptied Himself taking the form of a servant becoming a man? Explain please, thanks and God bless you
_'you are my witnesses,' says Yahweh, 'With my servant whom I have chosen; that you may know and believe me, and understand that I am He. Before me there was no God formed, neither will there be after me'_ - Isaiah 43.10 Also, Phil 2.6-7 does not say GOD emptied Himself - it says the Son who was in the form of GOD emptied Himself... PS. it's worth noting that there can be no before or after with GOD, as the declaration is used to emphasize the impossibility of GOD's eternal nature.
*TESTIMONY* ......by Leonard A. Chretien
As one of Jehovah’s Witnesses, I knew I had "the ‘truth". I was baptized as a Jehovah’s Witness in 1960 at age 26 with my wife, Marjorie. We had studied together with the Witnesses and were converts.
As a member in good standing, I served as an appointed congregation Elder since the mid-1970s. I was regular in the door-to-door field service, conducted Home studies, and did all that the Watchtower Society requires. Marjorie and I even raised our child as a Witness and looked forward to surviving Armageddon into endless life on paradise earth.
*Surviving Armageddon*
From the mid-1960s, the Society had pointed to 1975 as the time for the conclusion of the present world system. The publications of that time were very clear about this, and we were also taught the same predictions in our meetings and book studies.
Because we were taught that only Witnesses in good standing would survive Armageddon, we even sold a prosperous business in 1972 and our home in 1974 so that we could more fully serve Jehovah in the short time remaining.
Understandably, many Witnesses were disappointed and disillusioned when 1975 came and went.
I became suspicious when the Watchtower denied responsibility for the predictions both preached and printed in the prior decade. Instead, they laid the blame for the unfulfilled prophecy on what they called “over-enthusiastic members”!
*Looking Deeper*
As I considered other times when the organization had supposedly prophesied the end of the world, I decided to examine those predictions for myself. The Watchtower, of course, doesn't tolerate a critical analysis of its history or teaching, severely censoring anyone who tries. Since my life as an Elder would not allow the time I needed for research, I resigned as Presiding Overseer of my congregation. It was a serious and far-reaching decision.
So began an odyssey of research and scrutiny of past Watchtower prophecies and teachings. My wife and I developed an extensive library of old Watchtower literature and discovered some incredible claims made by the Society.
The Society had taught that the world would end in 1914. When 1914 came and went, President C.T. Russell changed the date to 1915, then to 1918.
Later, second President J.F. Rutherford chose 1925 for the end of the world and claimed that Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and other “ancient worthies” would be resurrected in 1925 to usher in the new world!
By 1929 Rutherford, still convinced of that resurrection of “ancient worthies,” built a mansion for them in San Diego, calling the house “Beth Sarim, House of the Princes.” He finally died in the house in 1942 shortly after proclaiming that the end of the world was only months away.
The Watchtower now teaches that the world only entered its time of the end in 1914, taking attention away from the failed prophecy of that year. The current teaching is that the generation that saw the events of 1914 will see the end of the world.
All of this and more made Marjorie and me realize that the Watchtower Society is a “false prophet” organization, perfectly fitting the biblical definition of a false prophet in *Deuteronomy **18:21**-22* :
“You say to yourselves, ‘How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the Lord?’ If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the Lord *does not take place or come true*, that is a message the Lord has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. *Do not be afraid of him.* "
As a result, we turned in our formal letter of disassociation from the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society. Of course, we were totally shunned by our Witness friends whom we had known for years.
*Finding Peace*
After sending our letter of disassociation, a peace of mind and a freedom that I had never known in my 22 years as a Jehovah’s Witness came over me. Jesus Christ had personally come into my life, and I knew for certain that my salvation did not rest on worthless works, but had been given to me as a free gift, and outpouring of grace.
We had been taught that we had to go through the Watchtower organization to get to the Father, but we are witnesses to the truth in Jesus Christ when He said;
"I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.” - John 14:6
You do not need the so-called “144,000 mediator class” to help you work out your salvation.
“For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Jesus Christ, who gave Himself as a ransom for all men.” - 1 Timothy 2:5-6
Jehovah loves you with a greater love than the Society has told you about, and Marjorie and I are witnesses to the marvelous salvation He freely offers in Christ.
I invite you to accept the Lord Jesus as your Savior and renounce the errors of the Watchtower Society.
Stop trusting in your good works, and ask the Lord Jesus to save you. “Whoever believes in the Son (Jesus Christ) has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on him.” - John 3:36
Yes, the living Lord extends this invitation to Jehovah’s Witnesses today: “ *Come to Me*, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest.” - Matthew 11:28
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@@BobbyORiley What is there to challenge? Many are disfellowshipped from the JW organisation and others are free to leave or disassociate. The same goes for employment - there is employment contract law and if someone does not respect the terms of their job contract and cannot agree to fulfill it, then why should they continue to work there and expect to be paid wages? Any company, organisation or club has rules - that's how it is. If someone leaves a sports club for whatever reason (or is thrown out because of their behaviour), what is there to challenge? One has to get on with life, whichever way you choose. The witnesses carry on with their ministry and meetings and those that choose to leave have other priorities. It mystifies me why some seem compelled and obsessed to continue criticising the JWs because in reality nothing will change - everyone is free to make a choice as to what they will do.
Leonard,
Amen and God bless. thank you for your testimony
@@Tony07UK not so when you are baptised at 10, 11 or 12 years old . You’re not even old enough to have a mobile phone contract but you are encouraged to make a massive decision as a child . Show me one example in the scriptures where a young child got baptised . Even JC waited till he was 30
@@glenfinch1468 ?? .. what on earth are you talking about ??
What post are you referring to??
If a fool believes everything in the Bible and other false doctrine, is it the truth or a illusion
00:04 - Intro
02:07 - Rules presentation
03:36 - Opening statement Dr. White
28:27 - Opening statement Mr. Stafford
53:18 - Rebutall Dr. White
01:12:33 - Rebutall Mr. Stafford
01:32:25 - Dr. White cross examines Mr. Stafford
02:13:29 - Dr. White summation
02:23:40 - Mr. Stafford summation
02:33:30 - Q&A
thanks!
01:52:36 Mr.Stafford cross examines Mr.White
Thanks
Tks
Got nothing to do with the debate
It never ceases to amaze me that until God gives sight to someone He is calling to salvation that no matter what evidence you give them and how clear it may be, they will not be able to see it and accept it. I use to wonder why Jesus would always say, to those who have ears let them hear and to those who have eyes let them see. It's because He knew that no matter how many people were there, not all would see and hear what He was saying and doing, only those who had been called.
Since the guy jw denied Jesus who might save him from judgement day if he know alot?
Are you a Calvinist? God desires that NONE shall perish but for ALL to come to everlasting life.
How’s the ice skating going👀
Pretty sound logic. My God is the only true God....Jesus's God.
Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
@@servantofourlordjesuschris6456
Psalm 23 "Jehovah is my shepherd, I shall not want" Jesus said "I am the good Shepherd"
Did you know Jesus became our shepherd after His Father gave Him his own sheep?
do not believe anyone who says there is a small God and a big God..
the FATHER HIMSELF did not say Jesus is a small God..
and the bible did not say there are TWO shepherds...
and the bible did not say there are TWO Gods either..
those who say there are Two shepherd and
Two Gods are devils advocate..
there cant be a shepherd and a GOOD shepherd...what would you make of the other shepherd? a BAD shepherd? since Jesus said HE is the GOOD shepherd?
nonsense ...
there is ONLY one GOD /one shepherd
that is what the bible teach...
this two commenters do not believe Apostle Peter and Paul of Tarsus..
so why do you even believe them? since this two bible characters live,ate died with Jesus?
@@alfaromeo101 Of course I believe that there is one God and one Shepherd, "The Word was with God and the Word was God" and we know that the Word became flesh and dwelt amongst us. And all praise and honour and glory to Him! God Himself came to earth to die for us!
@@alfaromeo101 You've already admitted that Satan is a small god Sinned. You admitted this in conversation to KODNWL in relation to 2 Corinthians 4:4. Be consistent and once you learn a bible truth stick to it rather than let it go in one ear and out the other and spew your lies. THIS is why you'll never have the truth, you taste it and then spit it out as it's not what you fancy. (read more below)
Since you stated, "do not believe anyone who says there is a small God and a big God.." and admit Satan is a god, there is good reason that EVERYONE here should NOT listen to what you say according to your own statement.🤣😂🤣🤣 Sometimes you really do dig your own grave.
2 Corinthians 4:4 - "Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don’t believe." - NLT
Satan is the god of this world.
Angels are called gods, Psalms 8:5 "You made him a little lower than godlike ones, And you crowned him with glory and splendor.
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Jesus referred to himself a god small g not big G/God, John 10:34 "If he called ‘gods’ those against whom the word of God came-and yet the scripture cannot be nullified- 36 do you say to me whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, ‘You blaspheme,’ because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?
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@@Kai-ye6zu its very funny isnt it? how JW LOOK UP to SATAN as THEIR god..it cant be further from the truth..tsk tsk tsk..
when I mention God I am talking about MY GOD in HEAVEN..whereas when YOU LOT talk about god..what you have in mind is YOUR god ..satan..but YOUR teaching shows who your god is that is why he is the one who is always in your mouth and head when you speak about god...
but Michael ...wisdom..why would you even ask me about ,how it can be created,begotten and produce since that is YOUR arguement not mine?
you are confused and tangled as you dont know what to think anymore..see how I annihilated KODNL..he stop emailing me cos he SUFFERED the same DEFEAT as you did..
>>> *1 John **5:12**-13* ~ “He who has **Jesus Christ** *HAS* Eternal Life.. I write these things to you who Believe on **JESUS CHRIST** so that you may **KNOW** that you **HAVE** Eternal Life.”
>>> *Acts **20:21* ~ “.. turn to God in *Repentance* and have **FAITH in JESUS CHRIST**.”
Yes, exactly, those who believe in "JESUS CHRIST" as Jehovah's Witnesses beleive, not those who believe in "JESUS GOD".
@@withthisipost3383 -- Jehovah's Witnesses REJECT Jesus Christ as their Savior.
--- I pray that you come to JESUS one day and be saved.
@@vaio2946amen!
glory be to the father
Glory be to the son.
Glory be to the Holy Spirit
Glory Be , To God alone.
>>> *John **6:40* ~ “The Father’s will is that *EVERYONE* who **LOOKS TO JESUS** and Believes in Him shall have Eternal Life, and **I, JESUS**, shall raise him up at the last day.”
Are you looking to **JESUS** or to an *"organization"*?
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Amen. Excellent way to put it. I never would have said it better 👏
the organization looks to jesus
@@googleuser4523 wrong. The fruits it produces doesn't. Just like a Catholic they would say the same thing.
Jesus !!! All religions have a organisation to go to. !!! Does not mean because JW calls it his org
Is different.....dan 2:44 he set up a kingdom in heaven and on earth and Jesus is now ruling as king to call all to his father Jehovah to know and worship him. Why? So he and us sanctified Gods NAME that they the churches took out of the bible gods name . Jehovah. 7000 times , Satan wants this worship. We prove this if you listen to God And humble yourself , meek will inherit. Not ones who argue about God. God will do it himself soon. Let vengeance be mine says the lord...he will let us all know soon. On his day. If you believe in Jesus random sacrifice for us you will live if you don't ?????????
@@lyndabutcher5883- You do NOT get access to God NOR get eternal life through a "religion" OR "organization. - You receive this free gift of Eternal life *at the very moment* you repent and trust *Jesus* to save you based on what He did for you 2000+ years ago when He died and paid for your sins with His BLOOD.
--- *Your sins are then forgiven and you, therefore, **_"HAVE eternal life"_* APART from ANY connection to ANY religious organization and APART from any works that your faith in Jesus may prompt you to do.
-->1 John 5:12-13 ~ _“He who has _*_Jesus Christ HAS Eternal Life._*_ … I write these things to you _*_who Believe on JESUS CHRIST_*_ so that you may KNOW that you _*_HAVE Eternal Life.”_*
-->Gal 3:22 ~ _“... so that what was promised _*_(Eternal Life),_*_ being given through _*_Faith in JESUS CHRIST,_*_ may be given to those who BELIEVE."_
All you do is repent, confess, surrender and entrusting HIM (JESUS) as LORD for Salvation. It is wonderful, in realizing how much the "Great GOD and SAVIOR" of us "JESUS CHRIST" (Titus 2:13) -How HE loved us, that HE came down from Heaven (John 6:38), and left HIS throne to take a servant's form (Phil 2:5-11) for the suffering of death, but yet raised HIS flesh HIS own body from death (John 2:19-21), for HE truly is "THE FIRST" the creator of all things (Col 1:16-17 & Heb 1:10-12). The "I AM" John 8:58
May the Grace and Spirit of Christ be with You All!!!
The Auditor John 1, Phil2. He’s God.
The Auditor He was The Word before the incarnation, Hebrew says He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, 4having become as much better than the angels, as He has inherited a more excellent name than they.
5For to which of the angels did He ever say,
“YOU ARE MY SON,
TODAY I HAVE BEGOTTEN YOU”?
And again,
“I WILL BE A FATHER TO HIM
AND HE SHALL BE A SON TO ME”?
6And when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says,
“AND LET ALL THE ANGELS OF GOD WORSHIP HIM.”
7And of the angels He says,
“WHO MAKES HIS ANGELS WINDS,
AND HIS MINISTERS A FLAME OF FIRE.”
8But of the Son He says,
“YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER,
AND THE RIGHTEOUS SCEPTER IS THE SCEPTER OF HIS KINGDOM.
The reason they distinguish between each other is the ROLES they take, a son does the fathers will, a spirit inhabits and regenerates. And if Christ isn’t Almighty God, your calling Isaiah a Liar “For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, MIGHTY GOD, EVERLASTING FATHER, Prince of Peace.”
The Auditor you clearly ignored that Isaiah said he shall be called EVERLASTING FATHER , in 1corinthians 15 Christ will continue to rule cause his reign is eternal, but he will reign in his former, full, and glorious place within the Trinity, and as I’ve said, those are the Roles of the trinity, it does not mean they are lesser or greater, if we want to continue this train of thought, why did God say “Let US make man in OUR image”. God would not say this to angels cause they are lesser than he is, they did not create, God Creates, God is speaking as the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. If they were somehow lesser or greater than one another, the greater would not have included the lesser in creation. They are Roles, not natures.
The Auditor yes there is basis, you don’t believe he’s equal with God but here your saying there’s no problem calling him Everlasting Father? According to you that would be blasphemy since you believe the Father is the only True God, the names given describe his equality with the father, God says he shares his glory with no one, “ I am the LORD; that is my name; my glory I give to no other, nor my praise to carved idols. “ Isaiah 42:8, yet you say He’s going to share it with a created Jesus, your saying God is contradicting himself making him out to be a liar. No my friend, Jesus is God, not a god, not a created god, or an angel“You are my witnesses,” declares the Lord, “and my servant whom I have chosen, that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he. Before me NO GOD was formed, nor shall there be any after me” Isaiah 43:10.
@jasonheersink3123
When did Jesus become the Son?
In Rev 5:13 the Lamb is specifically mentioned separate from "every created thing", therefore He can't be created, right? Or else He would also be worshiping, instead of the object of worship.
The Lamb is not the word, different roles and functions
With that said, the Lamb of God was brought into being through death and resurrection of YHWH's own blood - that is to say, perfection
In addition to this, the quality of worship given to the Lamb and God is not the worship due to God alone, as that worship is identified in Rev 4, and is specific to the Most High God who's will is done - see; 𝙸𝚜𝚊𝚒𝚊𝚑 𝟺𝟺.𝟸𝟺
Way to absolutely ignore the point 😂@@SmalltimR
How can an active force do all these things? FOOD FOR THOUGHT :D
Access to God--Eph. 2:18
Inspires prayer--Eph. 6:18; Jude 20
Anoints for Service--Luke 4:18
Intercedes--Rom. 8:26
Assures--Rom. 8:15-16; Gal. 4:6
Interprets Scripture--1 Cor. 2:1, 14;
Eph. 1:17
Authors Scripture--2 Pet. 1:20-21
Leads--Rom. 8:14
Baptizes--John 1:23-34; 1 Cor. 12:13-14
Liberates--Rom. 8:2
Believers Born of--John 3:3-6
Molds Character--Gal. 5:22-23
Calls and Commissions--Acts 13:24; 20:28
Produces fruit--Gal. 5:22-23
Cleanses--1 Thess. 3:13; 1 Pet. 1:2
Empowers Believers--Luke 24:49
Convicts of sin--John 16:9, 14
Raises from the dead--Rom. 8:11
Creates--Gen. 1:2; Job 33:4
Regenerates--Titus 3:5
Empowers--1 Thess. 1:5
Sanctifies--Rom. 15:16
Fills--Acts 2:4; 4:29-31; 5:18-20
Seals--Eph. 1:13-14; 4:30
Gives gifts--I Cor. 12:8-11
Strengthens--Eph. 3:16; Acts 1:8; 2:4;
1 Cor. 2:4
Glorifies Christ--John 16:14
Teaches--John 14:26
Guides in truth--John 16:13
Testifies of Jesus--John 15:26
Helps our weakness--Rom. 8:26
Victory over flesh--Rom. 8:2-4; Gal. 4:6
Indwells believers--Rom. 8:9-14; Gal. 4:6
Worship helper--Phil. 3
Jesse Sanchez most people can't do that many things
How do you know for certain that it can't ?
John 1:18 No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known. ..... Isaiah's Vision of the Lord6 In the year that King Uzziah died I saw the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up; and the train[a] of his robe filled the temple. 2 Above him stood the seraphim. Each had six wings: with two he covered his face, and with two he covered his feet, and with two he flew. 3 And one called to another and said: He saw Jesus remember no one has seen God ever.
What's the point of reading the Bible when you add words to make it say whatever you want?
Quran chapter 25.: 1 " ""Blessed is He who sent down the Criterion (Quran)) upen His Servant ( Mohammed ) that may be to the worlds a warn. "" He to whom belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth and who has not taken a Son and has not had a partner in dominion and has created each thing and determined it witch precise determination. """ But They have taken besides Him gods which create nothing while they are created and possess not for them selves any harm or benefit and possessnot ( power to cause) death or life or resurrection"""""""
@@johnbee1069 Quran chapter 25.: 1 " ""Blessed is He who sent down the Criterion (Quran)) upen His Servant ( Mohammed ) that may be to the worlds a warn. "" He to whom belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth and who has not taken a Son and has not had a partner in dominion and has created each thing and determined it witch precise determination. """ But They have taken besides Him gods which create nothing while they are created and possess not for them selves any harm or benefit and possessnot ( power to cause) death or life or resurrection"""""""
@@johnbee1069
AMEN, to that statement!! They also twist and turn the SCRIPTURES like a pretzel, in order to make Christ Jesus GOD ALMIGHTY, which the BIBLE does NOT teach.
@@monkmonk6068 1john 5:20 says exactly that Jesus is the true God
The BESt way to find the Truth in the scriptures, -is to research it YOURSELF---NOT letting someone DO THE RESEARCH for YOU.
Johnny... Hallelujah.. So true... That is hard for some people... But the bible is in a level of 1st grade comprehension.. Many can read it but hard for them to comprehend.. Life
Debra Tefs True--people can read the Bible but their comprehension limits them.
Many people have a re-concieved idea--their mind is already made up---before they start a study, There ---IS--only one Gospel-therefore there is only on interpedtation of that Gospel.
There are aproxminately 1500 differant Chrisitan belief systems.They can't all be correct.
Johnny - That is so true.. There is so many different belief they all cant be correct... But Jesus did say.. in JOHN 4 ----21 “Woman,” Jesus replied, “believe me, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. 22 You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews. 23 Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. 24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”25 The woman said, “I know that Messiah” (called Christ) “is coming. When he comes, he will explain everything to us...................Look at (23) Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. ... Jesus spelled out his ' TIME IS COMING ..AND NOW HAS... COME..... WHEN THE ...TRUE.....WORSHIPPERS.. WILL WORSHIP..... THE FATHER .... IN THE SPIRIT .....IN THE TRUTH.... HOW MANY TODAY WORSHIP THE FATHER LIKE JESUS DID? SEE JEUSS IDENTIFY HIMSELF AS ONE THE FIRST WHEN HE SAID 'NOW'' COME WHEN THE TRUE WORSHIPERS..... WILL WORSHIP THE FATHER.... LOOK... IF YOU ARENRT WORSHIPING THE FATHER THEN YOU ARENT THE TRUE WORSHIPERS LIKE JESUS SAID... LIFE
Debra Tefs Sooooo ----It makes no differance who siad what in the Bible---it's ALL very important and WE certainly a must DO IT. Worshiping the Father ----yes---but that is ot all Jesus said to do.
Johnny-- Not understanding what you're trying to say.. Life
1. JWs believe that some of them are part of 144.000 people who will go to heaven, but the Bible clearly says those 144k are from 12 tribes of Israel (each tribe consists of 12.000; hence,12 x 12.000 = 144k) so those must be Jews!! Revelation 7:1-8
2. Failed prophecies after another, shouldn’t JWs be False Prophets?? Deuteronomy 18:22
3. JWs is not a church!! It’s is highly a secret society, therefore the call themselves Watcher Tower Society !!!!
Very interesting on the 144K
Can you cite the passage where the Bible identifies these ones as the 12 tribes of Israel?
on No2 = YES
SmalltimR please Read through Revelation 7:1-8
@@icanimprove8930
Thanks for that - that was most helpful.
It would appear that the JW's believe that these tribes are not fleshly Israel, but moreso, an organization of tribes through adoption in Christ.
With that said, have you considered this belief and if so, what was your take on their particular interpretation?
What Must We Do To Be Saved? JESUS CHRIST IS THE ANSWER...
In view of who Christ is and what He has done for us on the cross, it is our responsibility to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ (Acts 16:30-31; John 3:16,18,36). This means we must come to Christ (John 6:35-37) and receive Him as our personal Saviour and Lord (John 1:12; Romans 6:23), realizing and believing the following facts:
The Lord Jesus is the only Saviour (Acts 4:12; John 10:9; 14:6). There is no salvation apart from Him.
The Lord Jesus died and rose again for our salvation (1 Thessalonians 4:14; 1 Corinthians 15:3-4; Romans 10:9).
The Lord Jesus is able to save us (Hebrews 7:25; Isaiah 59:1; Matthew 19:24-26).
The Lord Jesus is willing to save us (John 6:37; compare 1 Timothy 2:4)
The Lord Jesus will save us if we trust Him and Him alone as our Saviour (John 3:16).
Don't forget that no prayers can be heard by the father unless they go through the son. And using the name of God (Jehovah) is critical to be heard by god.
@1113hawaii
Show me just 1 verse saying
"Father is the only God"
Is Yahweh the only name of God?
Jesus said put down this temple , (His body) , and I will raise it up , who can raise himself up from the dead , but God alone ...
Galatians 1:1 {Father raised Jesus from dead}
Paul, an apostle, not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead;
John 2:19-21 {Jesus raised himself from dead}
Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days.”
They replied, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and you are going to raise it in three days?” But the temple he had spoken of was his body.
Matthew 26:61
and declared, “This fellow said, ‘I am able to destroy the temple of God and rebuild it in three days.’”
Romans 8:11 {Holy Spirit raised Jesus from the dead}
But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that
raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
Acts 3:26 {God raised Son from the dead}
Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in
turning away every one of you from his iniquities.
Thessalonians 1:10
And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.
Hebrews 13:20
Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that
great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,
Romans 10:9
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
@@canderssonswedican7486 Did Jesus also say He has the power to raise Himself from the dead? That's either true or false
@@bobpolo2964 fallacy
@@hmdchy How so
The real question is HOW CAN GOD DIE?????🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
"WHEN READING MARK 24:32-36"
Look up Hebrew marriage customs. The bride does not know when the groom will come.
[28] So Jesus said to them, “When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am HE, and that >>I do nothing on my own authority, but speak just as the Father taught me. (John 8:28 ESV)>he said to him, “Lord, you know everything;
Jesse Sanchez no one knows when Jesus Christ is coming for his church he's coming like a thief in the nigh.
Proof #13
The Son is God and Man
KNOWS DAY AND HOUR, DOES NOT KNOW DAY AND HOUR
Objection on the Deity of the Son:
Mark 13:32
New King James Version
32 “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
God is Omniscient; He knows all things. The Son does not know the day and the hour of his coming to restore the kingdom; therefore, he can not be God.
The Son is God and Man. 100% God and 100% Man. When he said that he does not know the day and the hour of his coming to restore the kingdom; he is talking in respect of his humanity. He is saying that no angels or humans, including himself as human, know it. Now, the question is: Is the Son being God knows the day and the hour of his coming to restore the kingdom? The answer to that is yes.
Acts 1:6-7
New King James Version
6 Therefore, when they had come together, they asked Him, saying, “Lord, will You at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?” 7 And He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has put in His own authority.
Take note: The Son said, "It is not for you to know times or seasons." He did not say, "It is not for us to know times or seasons." By not including himself, he is implying that he does know the day and the hour of his coming to restore the kingdom. Are there other verses that would prove that Jesus is Omniscient? Yes
John 21:17
New King James Version
17 He said to him the third time, “Simon, son of Jonah, do you love Me?” Peter was grieved because He said to him the third time, “Do you love Me?”
And he said to Him, “Lord, You know all things; You know that I love You.”
Jesus said to him, “Feed My sheep.
John 16:30
New King James Version
30 Now we are sure that You know all things, and have no need that anyone should question You. By this we believe that You came forth from God.”
JESUS' DIVINITY - KNOWS DAY AND HOUR
JESUS' HUMANITY - DOES NOT KNOW DAY AND HOUR
2:38:35
Firstborn or First created?
Colossians 1:15 - ‘the firstborn (Greek: prototokos 4416) of every creature’.
JWs use this verse to teach that Jesus was created at a point in time as an angel.
They ignore the evidence and insist that the word ‘firstborn’ here means ‘first created’, ‘the eldest in Jehovah’s family of sons’.
The Bible teaching:
1) ‘Firstborn’ (Greek: prototokos) does NOT mean ‘first-created’ (Greek: protoktisis). First-created (Protoktisis) is never used of Christ in New Testament.
Question:Where is it used of Jesus in New Testament?
Question: Why didn’t Paul use the term ‘first-created’ (protoktisis) in Colossians 1:15 if he meant that Christ was the first one created by Jehovah?
2) Ask: What does ‘firstborn’ (Greek: prototokos 4416) mean?
Answer: ‘Pre-eminent, Ruler, Sovereign, First in rank’.
It is used in other passages which refer to Christ:
i. Romans 8:29 ‘that he might be the firstborn among many brethren’. ‘Prototokos’ presents Christ as the pre-eminent member of the group (S. Zodhiates NT, p 1249).
ii. Colossians 1:15. ‘The firstborn of every creature’ Christ is the one pre-eminent and supreme ruler over all creation (S Zodhiates NT, p 1250). v.16 ‘By him were all things created’ means that Christ Himself is not part of Creation (John 1:3).
iii. Colossians 1:18 ‘He (Christ) is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning (arche), the firstborn (prototokos=Ruler) from the dead; that in all things he might have the pre-eminence (proteuon)’.
‘Arche’ means ‘first cause’ (Revelation 3:14, Colossians 1:18) and is parallel to ‘prototokos’ in Colossians 1:15,18, both asserting Christ’s pre-eminence.
Note: ‘Proteuon’ (pre-eminence) present tense is used only in Colossians 1:18 and indicates not an acquired right to be ruler and pre-eminent, but an inherent right by virtue of His nature. Christ, being the Creator, deserves to have pre-eminence.
iv. Hebrews 1:6 ‘And again, when he bringeth the firstbegotten(prototokos=Ruler) into the world, he saith ‘And let all the angels of God worship Him’.
Alternately, translate this as ‘And when He again brings the firstborn into the
world’, refers to Christ’s second coming when Christ as King will be worshipped by the angels. Christ is exalted even above all the angels.
v. Revelation 1:5 ‘And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the
firstbegotten (prototokos=Ruler) of the dead, and the prince (arche = chief) of the kings of the earth.’ Here ‘prototokos’ means that Christ is first of those to be resurrected, and prince (arche) means ruler of earth’s kings at His second coming.
Note: JWs compare Christ as the firstborn of all creation with the firstborn son of Pharaoh. This is nonsensical, because it is true that Pharaoh parented his son, but it is not true that ‘all creation’ parented Jesus.
3) We must understand what the original speaker or writer intended by the words which he used. The ancient Hebrews used the term ‘firstborn son’ when referring to the preeminent son, regardless of whether or not he was the first son born to the parents. The son with the title ‘firstborn’ had the right of primogeniture which meant that:
i) He acquired a special blessing (Genesis 27);
ii) He became heir of a double share of the father’s wealth (Deuteronomy 21:17);
iii) He replaced his father as the family head. He had authority over his brothers;
iv) He represented the father in civil and religious matters;
v) He had some holiness because through him flowed the common blood of the tribe (Genesis 49:3; Deuteronomy 21:17).
Key: The term ‘firstborn’ does not refer to the first one born, but to the pre-eminent one in the family. Consider these examples where the son with the title ‘firstborn’ was not born first:
(1) David was the last born son of Jesse, yet Psalm 89:27 says of him: ‘Also I will make him my firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth’. (v.20 onwards refers to David).
(2) Ephraim was the second born son of Joseph: ‘The name of the second called he Ephraim.’ (Genesis 41:50-52). Yet ‘Ephraim is my firstborn’ (Jeremiah 31:9). This was because of his pre-eminent position. Manasseh was born first to Joseph, but Ephraim became the firstborn because of his pre-eminence.
(3) Jacob (Israel) was the second son born to Isaac, after Esau, yet God says of Israel, ‘Israel is my son, even my firstborn.’ (Exodus 4:22). Esau says of himself, ‘I am Esau thy firstborn’. (Genesis 27:19). Esau means that he was born first and should have the birthright. God means that Israel, though born second, took the pre-eminent position. Hence, in this sense Christ is firstborn because of His pre-eminence, not because He was created first as JWs think.
(4) Solomon was born to David later, and the line of the kings came through Solomon,yet Amnon was born first (I Chronicles 3:2).
(5) Isaac was born 13 years after Ishmael, yet Isaac took the pre-eminent position in the family.(Genesis 17:19).
(6) Judah was the fourth son born to Jacob (Genesis 29:35), yet Judah received the dominion and line of Christ, even though Reuben being born first forfeited his right of primogeniture due to fornication (Genesis 49:3,4)
4) Firstborn can be rendered metaphorically, not meaning born first.
Examples include:
i) Job 18:13 ‘the firstborn of death shall devour his strength’. As the firstborn son held the chief place, so Job refers to the chiefest (most deadly) disease that death possessed;
ii) Isaiah 14:30 ‘The firstborn of the poor shall feed’, means the poorest of the poor.
Conclusion: Firstborn does not mean born first or created first. Rather, it is a title of first rank, or pre-eminent position. Paul calls Christ the firstborn (prototokos = Ruler).
Ask: What does Psalm 89:27 mean by calling David firstborn, when he was the last born son?
Ask: Why didn’t Paul use ‘first created’ (protoktisis) of Christ in Colossians 1:15 if he intended to teach that Christ was the first one created by Jehovah?
Reprinted with permission from Pastor Keith Piper. www.keithpiper.org/
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>>> *John **6:45* ~ "Everyone who hears what *The Father says* and learns from Him, **COMES TO ME, JESUS**."
Have you heard and learned from *"JEHOVAH"*?.. Have you come to *JESUS CHRIST* and placed your Faith in **Him** for your salvation, like *"JEHOVAH"* has commanded??... Or is your faith placed in an *"organization"* of men falsely claiming to be representing God?
Jesus Christ said "" I am the light of the world "" John 8:12 Michael the Archangel can not say that only Almighty God can.
As it is nowhere written that an Archangel is making such a statement, it would appear that you are presenting a strawman argument.
Having said that, from what Bible reasoning would you conclude that only God Almighty can say "I am the light of the world"?
@@smalltimer4370 Why would an angel be the light in the world in the first place?
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I know right
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Only God is Holy by Nature; meaning, He is sinless and will not sin. Angels can sin; look at Lucifer and the 1/3 of them who are Fallen...
ONLY GOD CAN BE THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD...
@@JuanLopez-rl7ry Jesus also says WE are the light of the world.
rawbrutaltruth Firstborn does not mean first-created. We must go the to Greek to get the full meaning in context. Greek word for "Firstborn" is PROTOTOKOS meaning first in rank, heir, supremacy and preeminent one. The Greek word for "First-created" is PROTOKTISIS. Different Greek word. "Firstborn" does not mean first-created in the Colossian text. Ex. King David was (last born) son Jesse, yet called "firstborn" Psalms 89:27 (Preeminent)
When we read Colossian Chap 1 in its entirety, the full correct interpretation comes clear. (Col. 1:15-18) For by HIM were ALL THINGS created, that are in heaven (including stars, angelic armies), & that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by HIM, and for him; And HE is BEFORE ALL THINGS, and by him ALL THINGS CONSIST.."firstborn" from the dead; that in ALL THINGS he might have the PREEMINENCE.
Letdtruth bknown So you are disagreeing with your discreet and slave?
Letdtruth bknown That wasn't the question robot. If I wanted to speak with a robot I would go to an Assembly Hall and buy one. Why are you being disobedient to your discreet and slave?
Letdtruth bknown
Why does Jehovah refer to “David my servant” as firstborn, when David was not a firstborn son?
In Psalm 89 Jehovah refers to “David my servant” and reviews the covenant for the kingdom that was made with him. In the midst of this is the statement: “I myself shall place him as firstborn, the most high of the kings of the earth.” (Ps 89:20, 27) David was not a firstborn son. (1Ch 2:13-15) So it seems that Jehovah was referring prophetically to the one foreshadowed by David, God’s own “firstborn” Son in heaven upon whom He confers kingship more exalted than that of any human ruler.-Compare Eze 34:24, where Messiah is spoken of as “my servant David.”
Letdtruth bknown Your discreet and slave teaches that Firstborn does not mean First Created..... Uh oh.... What to do now? So what does First Born mean in your own article? Why are you being disobedient to your discreet and slave?
Just a stupid remark: The JWs are 'right' in every way! Jesus did die on the 'torture stake', The Word is 'A' God, the Bible is 'wrong' in many ways so it should be re-written, re-interpretated and that is why the JW published the NWT, despite the many other translations in English, all 'incorrect' of course according JW.. I don't know whether Russell did the retransaltion, but I know that he didn't know Greek. So . . . the JW is 'right' in all their doings (my foot!)
As Bibles are translations of scripture, it is the scripture from which Bibles are translated that are the authoritative text rather than Bibles.
That said, I don't think the translation of 'a God', is as big an issue as people tend to make it, as we read of the son anointed to the throne, and who is identified as a God with a GOD above Him.
@@smalltimer4370 Bible truth vs JWs error filled "truth"? "Jehovah's Witnesses, in their eagerness for Jesus' second coming, *have suggested dates that turned out to be incorrect."* Awake 1993 Mar 22 page4
*Jehovah’s Witnesses have had wrong expectations about when the end would come.* Jan 1, 2013 Watchtower (Yes, expectations with false dates!)
"Does this admission of making mistakes stamp them [Jehovah's Witnesses] as false prophets? Not at all, for false prophets do not admit to making mistakes." Watchtower, Nov. 1, 1972, page 644 - in brackets added (any scriptures for this "admitting to mistakes" means they aren't false teachings, false prophecies?)
Admitting to making false prophecies doesn't magically change them, they are still Bible defined false prophecies (Deut 18:20-22) Very poor reasoning, probably why JWs "suggested dates" and went beyond and added to scripture.
"suggested dates, wrong expectations" in God's name? yes, these ARE false prophecies from the Jehovah Witness Organization.
God's channel of communications, his voice on earth, God's mouthpiece, JWs? Nope, just a false religion!
JESUS CLAIMED TO BE YHWH
I AM Jesus claimed to be "I AM" (Jn 8:24,28,58; 13:19; 18:5-6). The "I am he" in the original Greek of those verses is ego eimi - "I am" - with no "he". In the Greek Old Testament (Septuagint or LXX) ego eimi - "I AM" - is the self-designation of YHWH (Ex 3:14-15; Dt 32:39; Isa. 41:4; 43:10; 46:4; 52:6).
In particular, Jesus claimed to be YHWH in His statements that, "Before Abraham was born, I am [ego eimi]" (Jn 8:58 ESV), and "unless you believe that I am [ego eimi - no "he"] ... you will die in your sins" (Jn 8:24 ESV).
Likewise, Jesus also claimed to be YHWH when He walked on the stormy sea and told the disciples in their sinking boat to, "Take heart; it is I" (ego eimi - "I AM") (Mt 14:23-27; Mk 6:47-50; Jn 6:16-20 ESV).
Shepherd Jesus claimed to be "the Good Shepherd" (Jn 10:11,14). Jesus is the "Great Shepherd of the sheep," "the Shepherd," "the Chief Shepherd" (Heb 13:20; 1Pet 2:25; 5:4; Rev 7:17). But YHWH is the Shepherd of His sheep (Ps 23:1; Isa 40:10-11; Eze 34:15).
First and Last Jesus claimed to be "the first and the last" (Rev 1:17-18; 2:8; 22:13,16). But YHWH is the first and the last (Isa 41:4; 44:6; 48:12,17). And there cannot be two "the first and the lasts! Jesus also claimed to be "the Alpha and the Omega" (Rev 21:6; 22:13). But "the Lord God ... the Almighty" is "the Alpha and the Omega" (Rev 1:8).
Good work Jesse!
The Jews wanted to stone Him and to kill Him because they understood what he was saying !
41 These things Isaiah said because he saw His glory, and he spoke of Him.(Jesus) 42 Nevertheless many even of the rulers believed in Him, but because of the Pharisees they were not confessing Him, for fear that they would be put out of the synagogue;(John 12:41-42 NASB)
When did Isaiah see Jesus?
And it came to pass in the year that king Uzziah died, I saw
the Lordsitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and the house was full of His glory.
2And round about Him stood seraphims: the one had six wings,
and the otherhad six wings; and with twain they covered their face, and with twain they
covered their feet, and with twain they did fly.3And they cried one to another,
and said, Holy, holy, holy is the Lord of Sabaoth: the whole earth is full of His
glory.4And the lintel was lifted up at the voice wherewith they did cry; and
the house was filled with smoke.5Then said I, O wretch that I am, for I am
pricked to the heart; because I am a man, and have unclean lips,
and I dwellin the midst of a people which have unclean lips: and with mine eyes have I
seen the King, the Lord of Sabaoth.(Isaiah 6:1-5 Septuigant)
That's when Isaiah saw Jesus.
Yes God Jesus is the God on the throne in Isaiah 6! Read the Targum of Isaiah!
The Word of the Lord is God Jesus/Y'shua!
TeamPlayer2054 "RIGHTEOUSNESS" from GOD comes through faith “ALONE” in "JESUS CHRIST" to "ALL" who "BELIEVE". (Rom. 3:22)
"SALVATION" is based wholly on GOD’s unmerited favor (GRACE), not on the believer’s performance. Good works are the fruit, not the basis of salvation. (Eph. 2:8-10; Titus 3:4-8).
Obedience to rules as a requirement for salvation nullifies the gospel. (Gal. 2:16-21; Col. 2:20-23)
So Team, stop trying to sell and propagandizing your watch tower literature into recruiting them into the organization because Jesus Christ said "I AM the Way, and the Truth and the Life, No one comes to the Father except by ME" (John 14:6) and not the watch tower.
>>If you want to help lead people to Christ Jesus Alone.
And if you want to help please stop preaching this god dishonoring literal lawless doctrine.
It's interesting how Stafford says from 1:29:10 "... that he so perfectly reflects God's will and attributes, and that I should look to him and give him my respect and worship..." and so on... It's interesting because when the Anti-Christ comes, he'll come in the character of the Jewish Messiah performing all sorts of signs and miracles that only God in the OT performed, and in his own heart trying to make himself THE LIKENESS OF God. With Stafford's theology, Satan has achieved that opening with JW's, and all he has to do is put on a show of power for them to believe it.
OR... we could simply stick to what the Bible says and draw our conclusions from there
Agree, JWs appear to be foot soldiers of Satan.
Acts 16:7 says, “When they had come down to Mysia, they tried to go into Bithynia, and the Spirit of Jesus did not allow them.” The interchangeable use of the Spirit of Jesus with the Holy Spirit in Acts 16:6 reveals that the Spirit of Jesus is the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is a general title of the Spirit of God in the New Testament. The Spirit of Jesus is a particular expression concerning the Spirit of God and refers to the Spirit of the incarnated Savior who, as Jesus in His humanity, passed through human living and death on the cross. This indicates that in the Spirit of Jesus there is not only the divine element of God but also the human element and the elements of His human living and His suffering of death as well. Such an all-inclusive Spirit was needed by Paul in his preaching ministry, a ministry of suffering among human beings and for human beings in the human life.
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You're citing a known Bible corruption however;
ἐλθόντες κατὰ τὴν Μυσίαν ἐπείραζον κατὰ τὴν Βιθυνίαν πορεύεσθαι· καὶ οὐκ εἴασεν αὐτοὺς τὸ πνεῦμα - Stephanus Textus Receptus 1550
ἐλθόντες κατὰ τὴν Μυσίαν ἐπείραζον κατὰ τὴν Βιθυνίαν πορεύεσθαι· καὶ οὐκ εἴασεν αὐτοὺς τὸ Πνεῦμα· - Textus Receptus 1894
ἐλθόντες κατὰ τὴν Μυσίαν ἐπείραζον κατὰ τὴν Βιθυνίαν πορεύεσθαι· καὶ οὐκ εἴασεν αὐτοὺς τὸ Πνεῦμα. - Greek Orthodox Church
ἐλθόντες κατὰ τὴν Μυσίαν ἐπείραζον κατὰ τὴν Βιθυνίαν πορεύεσθαι· καὶ οὐκ εἴασεν αὐτοὺς τὸ πνεῦμα· - RP Byzantine Majority Text 2005
The oldest NT manuscripts do not say "spirit of Jesus," as these words were added in later manuscripts.
With that said, it is however remarkable just how many proof-text are actually based on corrupt Bible passages.
@@smalltimer4370 why don't you pass on ...
*TO "JW's"* .… Yes “JW’s”.. I do understand that being called a “Jehovah’s Witness” gives you a sense of *identity* … And I understand that being told *only “JW’s”* have access to God and any hope for Eternal Life makes you feel very *“SPECIAL”*, even proud…. But *all* cult leaders tell their followers that very same thing, that *THEY ALONE* have access to God.. And this is done intentionally to make you feel “SPECIAL” by being in the group/cult, and likewise, to make you feel *“godless”* or even *“destined for destruction”* if you leave the group/cult… All of this is Cultic *mind control*.
But as we see in the verses below, God makes *”NO DISTINCTION”** for particular cults/groups/organizations… Access to God and Eternal Life is *equally available* to **ALL** people *everywhere* who'll Repent and place their Faith in what **JESUS CHRIST** did for us when He died and paid for our sins.
>>> *Romans **3:22**-25* ~ “This Salvation from God comes through *FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST* to **ALL** who Believe **THERE IS NO DISTINCTION** because ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, and we are saved *Freely* by His *Grace* through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus, **THROUGH OUR FAITH IN JESUS BLOOD**.”
>>> *John **6:40* ~ “My Father’s will is that **EVERYONE** who **LOOKS TO JESUS** and Believes in Him shall have Eternal Life, and **I, JESUS**, shall raise him up at the last day.”
>>> *John **3:36* ~ "Whoever Believes in **JESUS** *HAS* Everlasting Life.”
I pray you all repent and place your Faith in *JESUS CHRIST Himself*, and not in any cult/group/organization that falsely claims *EXCLUSIVE Access* to God.
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@Truth seeker -- Stop with the "Trinity/Christmas" deflection. That does NOT make the Watchtower's false prophet cult "organization" belong to God.
--- Also, you do NOT read the Bible. Your beliefs come from Watchtower's self-promoting propaganda PUBLICATIONS that grossly distort what the Holy Bible actually says about your salvation being through faith in JESUS CHRIST, NOT through belonging to the Watchtower cult.
And yes, you DO believe in the cult "organization" for your salvation. In fact, you believe the Watchtower LIE that a people MUST belong to their "organization" to have access to God and to have eternal life.
--- And you MUST obey the "governing body" without question to their authority or you will be "disfellowshiped."
-- So, in essence, the false prophet "governing body" is your God.
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JESUS IS YHWH
Abraham your father rejoiced greatly at the prospect of seeing my day, and he saw it and rejoiced.” (John 8:56 NWT)
Jehovah appeared.......When he (Abraham) saw them, he ran from the entrance of the tent to meet them, and he bowed down to the ground. Then he said: “Jehovah, if I have found favor in your eyes, please do not pass by your servant. (Gen. 18:1-3 NWT)
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Eagle, when did Abraham ever saw Michael the Archangel and rejoiced seeing his day? ;) FOOD FOR THOUGHT
Jesse, you do know that it was not Jehovah himself who appeared to Abraham but rather, that he was represented by three angels, right? The book of Hebrews later on tells us, "Do not forget toshow hospitality to strangers, for by so doing some people have shown hospitality to angels without knowing it." - Hebrews 13:12 That is not a "weak argument", it is no argument at all. This account in no way proves the trinity anymore than saying Abraham, Isaac and Jacaob represented Jehovah.
I am amazed at how Trinitarians contradict their own Trinity doctrine. Jesus is NOT YHWH. YHWH (Jehovah/Yahweh) is the Father. Jesus is the Son!
"For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) But to us there is but *one God, the Father,* of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him." 1 Cor 8:5,6
*Who is the one, God out of many gods? There is NOT one scripture stating the Son and HS is included with the one God.*
[29] Then Jacob asked him, “Please tell me your name.” But he said, “Why is it that you ask my name?” And there he blessed him. [30] So Jacob called the name of the place Peniel, saying, “For I have seen God face to face, and yet my life has been delivered.” (Genesis 32:29-30 ESV)
If Jdubs say this was not God that wrestled with Jacob then why does he address him in prayer.
[14] And Israel stretched out his right hand and laid it on the head of Ephraim, who was the younger, and his left hand on the head of Manasseh, crossing his hands (for Manasseh was the firstborn). [15] And he blessed Joseph and said, “The God before whom my fathers Abraham and Isaac walked, the God who has been my shepherd all my life long to this day, [16] the angel who has redeemed me from all evil, bless the boys; and in them let my name be carried on, and the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac; and let them grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth.” (Genesis 48:14-16 ESV)
As you can see the trinity was hinted in the bible sense Genesis
***** I'm sure you have researched this a lot.Once you look a little more into this you will find that Genesis was written in Hebrew not Greek.The text says God.
The best lie is a mix of truth and fiction. Christianity claims they base their belief on the Bible, the do so, but they assume the 'Bible' is the mix of the Jewish Bible which is Torah (5 Books of Moses + Tanakh) AND the New Testament. Only the Judaism which bases on the true Scriptures can claim they're based on 'The Bible', not Christianity or whoever else with their made-up 'scriptures'. Judaism even acknoledges Jesus as he taught for the Torah, not against it. It's the people who've elevated Jesus to the level of G-d, especially Paul, which Christianity is mostly based on. In essence, Christians are not Christians, they're Paulians, or Shaulians, or followers of Paul, NOT Jesus. Because the proof is overwhelming that Jesus preached to follow Torah and G-d's laws/commandments. Even the notion that G-d would commit adultery and impregnate a married woman (yes, Mary was already married to Joseph) which is a SIN, is preposterous! G-d cannot break his own commandments against adultery and impregnate a married woman... what?! does He now deserve to be stoned to death? According to the Commandments? Deut 22:22 Plus, Jesus cannot be a King due to Curse of Jechoniah, Jeremiah 22. Demand to blindly 'believe!!!' is illogical and fails under scrutiny and study of the 'Real Bible' - the Jewish Bible. Do your research before you go believe blindly anything you hear that sounds good and sounds like an easy 'fix'. And yes, sin is NOT only forgiven by blood sacrafice only, as mentioned only in Hebrews. Blood is NOT required for forgiveness of sin, but repentance. Again, do your research instead of following these wind-teachings :) Shalom.
The bible is clear about the identity of Jesus
The demons themselves recognized Jesus’ identity and addressed him as the “Son of God,” in ( Matthew 8:29) And look! they screamed, saying: “What have we to do with you, Son of God? Did you come here to torment us before the appointed time? “ Good job Mr Stafford
would that make Jesus equal to the Father?
+kilyn12 hi Kilyn my name is Angelo the one who originally posted this TH-cam video. I hope you and your family are doing well. yes Jesus is equal with God the Father. BC in Philippians chapter 2 verse 6 the Greek word ISA which means equal an even better qualities this and other verses of the Bible teaches that Jesus shares in all of the communicable and non-communicable attributes of the father. no power in verse 6 of Philippians chapter 2 that Jesus has no beginning he subsisted in the form of God. the Greek word for subsistence is HUPARKON. if you read verse 7 to see what I like to call nature 2 or nature B of Christ. Jehovah's Witnesses do not understand that the Logos has two nature nature A and nature B. or nature one and nature 2. nature one is his essential original nature which of course is eternal. however Kilyn Christ added an additional nature that of a Slave for the Greek word DOULOS. in John Chapter 5 Verse 18 we read that Jesus made himself equal to God that is the Greek word ISOS in our day this work may seem funny but in Greek it simply means equal it is the same word found in Revelation chapter 21 verse 16 where we read about the dimensions of the city being equal. please go to my new channel on TH-cam and you will get teachings that will help you further just go to Angelo K Rucci Quinones. I just recently made this Channel about a few weeks ago also you can call me by dialing 917-200-4002 many have called me who viewed this debate of James White I have received hundreds of telephone calls both of JW's and Christians the ministry that I have found it I am Ministries is geared to teach Christian's how to answer any group about the deity of Christ and all other things and the ministry is geared to help those who are not Christians. the answer's always will come from the Living Word of God based on the Hebrew and Greek manuscripts. may God be praised thank you Kilyn. May God bless you and your family
ruben gomez
Son of God is a title describing the realtionship between these two persons of God. The demons knew that.
Angelo Quinones
i read this too. and it is so plan to me now.
God having a Triune nature make more since to me, then He not having one.
Read the bible
*GOD MAKES “NO DISTINCTION” for saving “JW’s.”*
Salvation is granted to **ALL** people who Repent and turns to JESUS, by Faith in His Blood.
>>> Rom 3:22-25 ~ "This Salvation from God comes through *FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST* to **ALL** who Believe.. **THERE IS NO DISTINCTION** because *ALL* have Sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, and are saved Freely by His GRACE through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.. *THROUGH OUR FAITH IN JESUS BLOOD*.”
Romans 10:9 says you have to believe that Jesus is Lord to be saved not an angel
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The Apostle John wrote that denying Jesus is God is "antichrist" which is what the Watchtower Bible and Tract society (JW) do.....they are "antichristian" in doctrine.
*TO ALL “JW’s”* …. I keep seeing your comments saying, *“Jesus is NOT Almighty God.. The Father is Almighty God and Jesus is The SON of God.”* ... You believe this distinction you’re stating between The Father and The Son somehow makes your Watchtower god be *“Almighty God”* by default... But it *DOES NOT!*
Unless your “god” is directing you to *GO TO JESUS* for your Salvation, your “god” is *NOT* the “Almighty God” of the Holy Bible even despite the distinction you are stating between The Father and The Son.
Believing that *"Jesus is NOT Almighty God but he is the Son of God"* will NOT, NOT. NOT, NOT give you or anyone else access to God and Eternal Life.
Repentance and Faith in what JESUS CHRIST did for us when He died and paid for our Sins is what saves a person from their Sins and gives us Eternal Life.
And understand this also…. The person who repents and *GOES TO JESUS* for their salvation IS ACCEPTED BY GOD *even if they believe “Jesus is Almighty God” or even if they believe that “Jesus and The Father are the same person“*, and *even if they agree with the Trinity doctrine* … That’s right!... If they *GO TO JESUS* by Faith in him, they are FORGIVEN of their Sins and *THEY ARE ACCEPTED by God* while YOU continue to be *separated* from God by your sins because you are looking to an “ORGANIZATION” for your salvation instead of looking to the Savior JESUS CHRIST.
And again.. I tell you these things as a person who *has been SENT by Jesus Christ Himself.*
>>> *John **6:45* ~ "Everyone who hears what The Father says and learns from Him, **COMES TO ME, JESUS**."
>>> *John **6:40* ~ “The Father’s will is that *Everyone* who **LOOKS TO JESUS** and Believes in Him shall have Eternal Life, and **I, JESUS**, shall raise him up at the last day.”
>>> *Matt **11:28* ~ " *COME TO ME, JESUS*, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest."
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We accept Jesus the debate is constructive to understand the correct identity of Jehovah and Jesus the relationship about the essence of divinity or divine essence
@@InvestigadorTJ --- No, you *reject* Jesus as your Savior by falsely believing your salvation is through the Watchtower Corporation's *"ORGANIZATION."*
-- That Watchtower false teaching is *antichrist.*
VAIO294 no we are Christian Witnesses of Jah, we don’t accept traditions of men and the idea that salvation is THRu an organization... we believe that it is thru JESUS and him only because that’s how the Father decided it a such
@@InvestigadorTJ --- The *evidence* proves that you are *NOT* "Christian Witnesses of Jah."
---- Take a look at these Watchtower quotes below. The Watchtower's false message that people *MUST* belong to its *“ORGANIZATION”* to have salvation is the *Satanic lie* that’s at the very *foundation* of the JWs antichrist cult.
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>>> _“You _*_MUST_*_ be part of Jehovah’s _*_ORGANIZATION,_*_ doing God's will, in order to receive his blessing of _*_EVERLASTING LIFE (salvation).”_* ~ ( You Can live Forever Book (1982, 1990, p.255 )
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>>> _"A third _*_REQUIREMENT_*_ (for SALVATION) is that we be associated with God's channel, his _*_ORGANIZATION.”_* ~ (Watchtower, Feb 15, 1983, pg. 12 )
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>>> _"But if we were to draw away from Jehovah's "ORGANIZATION* there would be no place else to go for _*_SALVATION."_* ~ (Watchtower Sept 15, 1993, pg.22 )
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>>> _"…identifying themselves with Jehovah’s _*_ORGANIZATION_*_ is _*_ESSENTIAL_*_ to their _*_SALVATION."_* ~ (Our Kingdom Ministry, 11/1990, pg. 1)
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>>> _"And while now the witness yet includes the invitation to _*_come to Jehovah's ORGANIZATION for SALVATION."_* ~ (Watchtower 1981 Nov. 15 pg.21 )
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>>> _".. to leave Jehovah's _*_ORGANIZATION_*_ ... we would _*_LOSE*not only the privilege of doing God's will but also *he hope of life in God's new world."_* ~ (Watchtower 2016 Jun study ed p.26)
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As we can see by the above quotes, the Watchtower is definitely an antichrist cult that gives people a *worthless faith* in an *“organization”* that can *NOT* save you nor anyone else -- which is Satan’s antichrist agenda.
--- The WT is *IMPUTING Salvation to its "ORGANIZATION,"* which is IDOLATRY and a *rejection* of JESUS CHRIST as your Savior!
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Yes, the Watchtower Corporation's Board of Directors (GB) has REPLACED *Faith in JESUS CHRIST* for salvation (like the Bible says), with the Satanic *lie* of: Salvation through its *“ORGANIZATION.“*
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VAIO294 again we don’t abide by The Watchtower.. it sounds like you have no knowledge of the CWJ. We are JWs who have rejected the traditions of men we don’t see the “governing body” as authoritative as the Bible or the pope for the Roman Catholics... these quotes would apply if I was a Watchtower witness and NOT a Christian Witness of Jah! Salvation thru Jesus alone. We recognize the three things Yahowah as God, Jesus as his son who died for our sins and treat others how we want to be treated. A part from that we are not directed by a leader or authority...
We even acknowledge that their are other groups that identified Jah and the means do salvation thru a person and NOT thru an organization, we DOnt claim to know everything but we go towards what is the best available reasons for our faith. WE are Christians Witnesses of JAH יהרה
Very skilled presentation. I am a Christian, the J/W debater is very educated, in fact they are very well educated.
Not sure if that was a genuine JW. JWs do not debate on public forums.
2 Timothy 2:23 Further, reject foolish and ignorant debates, knowing that they produce fights.
J w s r very trained but can t get outside a script.
I doubt very much that this a genuine Jehovah,s witness
greg Stafford sounds skilled only to the ignorants on these biblical subjects.....
This guy is now disfellowshipped
Because he’s are NOT educated like this
They do not allow people to debate their positions
They themselves never do
[25] “I, I am he who blots out your transgressions for my own sake, and I will not remember your sins. [26] Put me in remembrance; let us argue together; set forth your case, that you may be proved right. (Isaiah 43:25-26 ESV)
[24] I told you that you would die in your sins, for unless you believe that I am he you will die in your sins.” (John 8:24 ESV)
[13] waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, (Titus 2:13 ESV)
A voice of one calling out in the wilderness: “Clear up* the way of Jehovah!+ Make a straight highway+ through the desert for our God.+(Isaiah 40:3 nwt)
He said: “I am a voice of someone crying out in the wilderness, ‘Make the way of Jehovah* straight,’+ just as Isaiah the prophet said.”+(John 1:23 nwt)
Look! I am sending my messenger, and he will clear up* a way before me.+ And suddenly the true Lord, whom you are seeking, will come to his temple;+ and the messenger of the covenant will come, in whom you take delight. Look! He will certainly come,” says Jehovah of armies.(Malachi 3:1 nwt)
How many times should I see proof that Jesus is Jehovah before I believe it?
Mat 18:12-14. ''What do You think? If a man has a hundred sheep,and one of them goes astray,does he not leave the Ninety-nine and go to the mountains to seek the one that is straying? And if he should find it,assuredly,I say to you,he rejoices more over that sheep than over the Ninety-nine that did not go astray.
Even so it is not the will of Your Father who is in Heaven that one of these little ones should Perish.....
The Greatest (Most important) person in the Kingdom of Heaven,is the person that makes himself Humble,like a Child..If we don't do this We will Never enter the Kingdom of Heaven.
If we Consider what Jesus say's here,It is not the Will of Your FATHER,that any of these should perish..Is Jesus here not refering to a Higher Power than himself-The Father?
sherrie k Yes, but only as to His divine human nature . Jesus showed us the ''exeplar'' of the very servanthood and childlike nature that God the Father was pleased to dwell in..
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Jo Ashley I think we both will agree to this one..John 8:12. Jesus spoke again to the people,he said. ''I am the Light of the world, Whoever follows Me,Will Never walk in darkness,but will have the Light of Life''....
Jo Ashley All goes back to Genesis 2 when we were in the garden ..)
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Jo Ashley Hmm if only..
Jesus was already existed. Before, he took the cup. And save his creation with the father ALMIGHTY. It takes a life to save a life. My Jesus, I thank you so much! Humility, spirituality, and faith you showed me. You showed honor, respect, love, and giving your life for me. Who else, upon the dry GROUNDS. Can follow the way you did. To them, who are your true image. Blessed them father.
know the Truth and the Truth shall set you free from the bondage of sin and death and ignorance
“Now that you have purified your souls by your obedience to the truth with unhypocritical brotherly affection as the result, love one another intensely from the heart.” (1 Pet. 1:22)
If the Watchtower organization was ever truly representing "JEHOVAH" like it claims, He would have *FULFILLED* some of it's many false prophecies for HIS OWN NAME SAKE, for the "Vindication" of His own name *JEHOVAH* that the Watchtower leaders, and it’s followers, claim to be representing. ~ (see following scripture)
>>Isaiah 44:24-26 ~ “I am the LORD (JEHOVAH) the Maker of all things…who FOILS the signs of *FALSE PROPHETS* and makes fools of diviners.. Who *CARRIES OUT* the words of His servants and *FULFILLS* the predictions of His messengers.” ~ NIV
Yes,, the real JEHOVAH of The Holy Bible has deliberately shown the Watchtower leaders to be LIARS and false prophets by Him NOT fulfilling a single one of the many prophecies they've falsely made in His name for over 100 years.
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IMJW1000 You posted "John 17:3" But you forgot to tell us that Christ "is the Eternal life" that became manifested to us (1st John.1:1-2) and that He is Gods Son that was given to us (John.3:16,) and prior to becoming flesh (Zechariah.2:10-13 with Philippians 2:6-8,) He shared His Fathers Glory in Heaven (John.17:5) who is also the TRUE GOD (JESUS) (1 John 5:20)
Why are you a deceiver?
““You are my witnesses,” declares the Lord, “and my servant whom I have chosen, that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he. Before me no god was formed, nor shall there be any after me. I, I am the Lord, and besides me there is no savior.”
Isaiah 43:10-11
Food FROM God? JWs "truth"? "Jehovah's Witnesses, in their eagerness for Jesus' second coming, *have suggested dates that turned out to be incorrect."* Awake 1993 Mar 22 page4
*Jehovah’s Witnesses have had wrong expectations about when the end would come.* Jan 1, 2013 Watchtower
"Does this admission of making mistakes stamp them [Jehovah's Witnesses] as false prophets? Not at all, for false prophets do not admit to making mistakes." Watchtower, Nov. 1, 1972, page 644 - in brackets added
Admitting to making false prophecies doesn't magically change them, they are Bible defined false prophecies (Deut 18:2-0-22) Very poor reasoning, probably why JWs "suggested dates" and went beyond scripture.
"suggested dates, wrong expectations" ARE false prophecies.
God's channel of communications, his voice on earth, God's mouthpiece, JWs? Nope just a false religion!
Before him no god was form nor after him, yet Jehovah witnesses claim that there are many gods created, Satan included (based on a bad interpretation of John 12:31) that calls Satan the god of this world. This does not mean that Satan is a god , the word god was also used to mean ruler or judge. Polytheistic is the Jehovah witness doctrine.
Jehovah witnesses claim that jesus (a god) was first created, by another bad interpretation of the words “first born”. King David is called “first born” and anyone that knows the Bible, well knows that King David had OLDER BROTHERS, King David was not literally “first born”, “first born is a TITLE.
Jehovah witnesses love to point out John 17:3 to claim that only the Father is the one true God. (Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, ), yet completely ignore that rest of the passage where Jesus says that him and The Father share the GLORY, (And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.), If Jesus is not the one True God, this verse would contradict Isaiah 42:8 (I am the LORD; that is my name; my glory I give to no other, nor my praise to carved idols.) Jehovah witnesses doctrine is twisted, their
system is full of contradictions ( lies)
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*RE:* Before him no god was form nor after him, yet Jehovah witnesses claim that there are many gods created...
*A.* It is very important to cite Bible passages accurately, otherwise we risk contending with misinterpretation, and in some cases the very meaning of the scripture;
𝟻𝙸 𝚊𝚖 𝚈𝚊𝚑𝚠𝚎𝚑, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚛𝚎 𝚒𝚜 𝚗𝚘𝚗𝚎 𝚎𝚕𝚜𝚎. 𝙱𝚎𝚜𝚒𝚍𝚎𝚜 𝚖𝚎, 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚛𝚎 𝚒𝚜 𝚗𝚘 𝙶𝚘𝚍. 𝙸 𝚠𝚒𝚕𝚕 𝚜𝚝𝚛𝚎𝚗𝚐𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚗 𝚢𝚘𝚞, 𝚝𝚑𝚘𝚞𝚐𝚑 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚑𝚊𝚟𝚎 𝚗𝚘𝚝 𝚔𝚗𝚘𝚠𝚗 𝚖𝚎; 𝟼𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚢 𝚖𝚊𝚢 𝚔𝚗𝚘𝚠 𝚏𝚛𝚘𝚖 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚛𝚒𝚜𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝚘𝚏 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚜𝚞𝚗, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚏𝚛𝚘𝚖 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚠𝚎𝚜𝚝, 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚛𝚎 𝚒𝚜 𝚗𝚘𝚗𝚎 𝚋𝚎𝚜𝚒𝚍𝚎𝚜 𝚖𝚎. 𝙸 𝚊𝚖 𝚈𝚊𝚑𝚠𝚎𝚑, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚛𝚎 𝚒𝚜 𝚗𝚘 𝚘𝚗𝚎 𝚎𝚕𝚜𝚎. 𝟽𝙸 𝚏𝚘𝚛𝚖 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚕𝚒𝚐𝚑𝚝, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚌𝚛𝚎𝚊𝚝𝚎 𝚍𝚊𝚛𝚔𝚗𝚎𝚜𝚜. 𝙸 𝚖𝚊𝚔𝚎 𝚙𝚎𝚊𝚌𝚎, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚌𝚛𝚎𝚊𝚝𝚎 𝚌𝚊𝚕𝚊𝚖𝚒𝚝𝚢. 𝙸 𝚊𝚖 𝚈𝚊𝚑𝚠𝚎𝚑, 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝚍𝚘𝚎𝚜 𝚊𝚕𝚕 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚜𝚎 𝚝𝚑𝚒𝚗𝚐𝚜. 𝟾𝙳𝚒𝚜𝚝𝚒𝚕, 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚑𝚎𝚊𝚟𝚎𝚗𝚜, 𝚏𝚛𝚘𝚖 𝚊𝚋𝚘𝚟𝚎, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚕𝚎𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚜𝚔𝚒𝚎𝚜 𝚙𝚘𝚞𝚛 𝚍𝚘𝚠𝚗 𝚛𝚒𝚐𝚑𝚝𝚎𝚘𝚞𝚜𝚗𝚎𝚜𝚜. 𝙻𝚎𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚎𝚊𝚛𝚝𝚑 𝚘𝚙𝚎𝚗, 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚒𝚝 𝚖𝚊𝚢 𝚋𝚛𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝚏𝚘𝚛𝚝𝚑 𝚜𝚊𝚕𝚟𝚊𝚝𝚒𝚘𝚗, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚕𝚎𝚝 𝚒𝚝 𝚌𝚊𝚞𝚜𝚎 𝚛𝚒𝚐𝚑𝚝𝚎𝚘𝚞𝚜𝚗𝚎𝚜𝚜 𝚝𝚘 𝚜𝚙𝚛𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝚞𝚙 𝚠𝚒𝚝𝚑 𝚒𝚝. 𝙸, 𝚈𝚊𝚑𝚠𝚎𝚑, 𝚑𝚊𝚟𝚎 𝚌𝚛𝚎𝚊𝚝𝚎𝚍 𝚒𝚝. - 𝙸𝚜𝚊𝚒𝚊𝚑 𝟺𝟻.𝟻-𝟾
As can be seen here, YHWH's declaration rests on His identity as the source and cause of all things;
𝚃𝚑𝚞𝚜 𝚜𝚊𝚢𝚜 𝚈𝚊𝚑𝚠𝚎𝚑, 𝚢𝚘𝚞𝚛 𝚁𝚎𝚍𝚎𝚎𝚖𝚎𝚛, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚑𝚎 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝚏𝚘𝚛𝚖𝚎𝚍 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚏𝚛𝚘𝚖 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚠𝚘𝚖𝚋: "𝙸 𝚊𝚖 𝚈𝚊𝚑𝚠𝚎𝚑, 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝚖𝚊𝚔𝚎𝚜 𝚊𝚕𝚕 𝚝𝚑𝚒𝚗𝚐𝚜; 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝐚𝐥𝐨𝐧𝐞 𝚜𝚝𝚛𝚎𝚝𝚌𝚑𝚎𝚜 𝚘𝚞𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚑𝚎𝚊𝚟𝚎𝚗𝚜; 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝚜𝚙𝚛𝚎𝚊𝚍𝚜 𝚘𝚞𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚎𝚊𝚛𝚝𝚑 𝐛𝐲 𝐦𝐲𝐬𝐞𝐥𝐟; - 𝙸𝚜𝚊𝚒𝚊𝚑 𝟺𝟺.𝟸𝟺
𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚢 𝚖𝚊𝚢 𝚔𝚗𝚘𝚠 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐚𝐥𝐨𝐧𝐞, 𝚠𝚑𝚘𝚜𝚎 𝚗𝚊𝚖𝚎 𝚒𝚜 𝚈𝚊𝚑𝚠𝚎𝚑, 𝚊𝚛𝚎 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝙼𝚘𝚜𝚝 𝙷𝚒𝚐𝚑 𝚘𝚟𝚎𝚛 𝚊𝚕𝚕 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚎𝚊𝚛𝚝𝚑. - 𝙿𝚜𝚊𝚕𝚖 𝟾𝟹.𝟷𝟾
𝚃𝚑𝚒𝚜 𝚒𝚜 𝚎𝚝𝚎𝚛𝚗𝚊𝚕 𝚕𝚒𝚏𝚎, 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚢 𝚜𝚑𝚘𝚞𝚕𝚍 𝚔𝚗𝚘𝚠 𝐲𝐨𝐮, 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐨𝐧𝐥𝐲 𝐭𝐫𝐮𝐞 𝐆𝐨𝐝, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚑𝚒𝚖 𝚠𝚑𝚘𝚖 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚜𝚎𝚗𝚝, 𝙹𝚎𝚜𝚞𝚜 𝙲𝚑𝚛𝚒𝚜𝚝. - 𝙹𝚘𝚑𝚗 𝟷𝟽.𝟹
𝐨𝐧𝐞 𝐆𝐨𝐝 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐅𝐚𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫 𝚘𝚏 𝚊𝚕𝚕, 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝚒𝚜 𝐨𝐯𝐞𝐫 𝐚𝐥𝐥, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝐭𝐡𝐭𝐨𝐮𝐠𝐡 𝐚𝐥𝐥, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝐢𝐧 𝐮𝐬 𝐚𝐥𝐥. - 𝙴𝚙𝚑𝚎𝚜𝚒𝚊𝚗𝚜 𝟺.𝟼
𝟷𝟷"𝐖𝐨𝐫𝐭𝐡𝐲 𝐚𝐫𝐞 𝐲𝐨𝐮, 𝐨𝐮𝐫 𝐋𝐨𝐫𝐝 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐆𝐨𝐝, 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝙷𝚘𝚕𝚢 𝙾𝚗𝚎, 𝚝𝚘 𝚛𝚎𝚌𝚎𝚒𝚟𝚎 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚐𝚕𝚘𝚛𝚢, 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚑𝚘𝚗𝚘𝚛, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚙𝚘𝚠𝚎𝚛, 𝚏𝚘𝚛 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚌𝚛𝚎𝚊𝚝𝚎𝚍 𝚊𝚕𝚕 𝚝𝚑𝚒𝚗𝚐𝚜, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝐛𝐞𝐜𝐚𝐮𝐬𝐞 𝐨𝐟 𝐲𝐨𝐮𝐫 𝐝𝐞𝐬𝐢𝐫𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐲 𝐞𝐱𝐢𝐬𝐭𝐞𝐝 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐰𝐞𝐫𝐞 𝐜𝐫𝐞𝐚𝐭𝐞𝐝 !" - 𝚁𝚎𝚟 𝟺.𝟷0-𝟷𝟷
With that said, any other being, person, angel etc, called God would not qualify the title held by YHWH; Most High God, only true God, God of God's, Supreme God, Almighty God, etc. In contrast to those called Gods, either by YHWH, or other humans - such as; Moses, the angels, the King of Israel, Judges of Israel, and of course, the Son of God anointed to the right hand of the throne.
*RE:* Jehovah witnesses claim that jesus (a god) was first created, by another bad interpretation of the words “first born”. King David is called “first born” and anyone that knows the Bible, well knows that King David had OLDER BROTHERS, King David was not literally “first born”, “first born is a TITLE.
*A.* I am in agreement with the issue of Jesus being created, in that there are no Bible passages attributing creation to Jesus, and that we would be wise to knowledge that - in contrast with Jesus' own begetting, birth, possession, bringing-forth etc, etc.
And while Jesus is never identified with creation in the Bible, it remains that Jesus/the word, the Lamb, etc, are all subject to an origin - unlike YHWH who is without origin and who is the source of all things known and unknown - including, though not limited-to; the word of God itself
*RE:* yet completely ignore that rest of the passage where Jesus says that him and The Father share the GLORY...
*A.* The problem with such reasoning is that this very same glory(shared), will also be shared with us - thus concluding that it is not the glory due to the only true God, but the glory we share in the oneness of God;
𝟸𝟿𝙼𝚢 𝙵𝚊𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚛, 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝚑𝚊𝚜 𝚐𝚒𝚟𝚎𝚗 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚖 𝚝𝚘 𝚖𝚎, 𝚒𝚜 𝚐𝚛𝚎𝚊𝚝𝚎𝚛 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚗 𝚊𝚕𝚕. 𝙽𝚘 𝚘𝚗𝚎 𝚒𝚜 𝚊𝚋𝚕𝚎 𝚝𝚘 𝚜𝚗𝚊𝚝𝚌𝚑 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚖 𝚘𝚞𝚝 𝚘𝚏 𝚖𝚢 𝙵𝚊𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚛'𝚜 𝚑𝚊𝚗𝚍. 𝟹0𝐈 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐅𝐚𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫 𝐚𝐫𝐞 𝐨𝐧𝐞." - 𝙹𝚘𝚑𝚗 𝟷0.𝟸𝟿-𝟹0
Now let's consider Jesus' words on the meaning of the oneness He shared with His own God and Father;
𝟸0𝙽𝚘𝚝 𝚏𝚘𝚛 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚜𝚎 𝚘𝚗𝚕𝚢 𝚍𝚘 𝙸 𝚙𝚛𝚊𝚢, 𝚋𝚞𝚝 𝚏𝚘𝚛 𝚝𝚑𝚘𝚜𝚎 𝚊𝚕𝚜𝚘 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝚋𝚎𝚕𝚒𝚎𝚟𝚎 𝚒𝚗 𝚖𝚎 𝚝𝚑𝚛𝚘𝚞𝚐𝚑 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚒𝚛 𝚠𝚘𝚛𝚍, 𝟸𝟏𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐲 𝐦𝐚𝐲 𝐚𝐥𝐥 𝐛𝐞 𝐨𝐧𝐞; 𝐞𝐯𝐞𝐧 𝐚𝐬 𝐲𝐨𝐮, 𝐅𝐚𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫, 𝐚𝐫𝐞 𝐢𝐧 𝐦𝐞, 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐈 𝐢𝐧 𝐲𝐨𝐮, 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐲 𝐚𝐥𝐬𝐨 𝐦𝐚𝐲 𝐛𝐞 𝐨𝐧𝐞 𝐢𝐧 𝐮𝐬; 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚠𝚘𝚛𝚕𝚍 𝚖𝚊𝚢 𝚋𝚎𝚕𝚒𝚎𝚟𝚎 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚜𝚎𝚗𝚝 𝚖𝚎.
𝟸𝟸𝐓𝐡𝐞 𝐠𝐥𝐨𝐫𝐲 𝐰𝐡𝐢𝐜𝐡 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐡𝐚𝐯𝐞 𝐠𝐢𝐯𝐞𝐧 𝐦𝐞, 𝐈 𝐡𝐚𝐯𝐞 𝐠𝐢𝐯𝐞𝐧 𝐭𝐨 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐦; 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚢 𝚖𝚊𝚢 𝚋𝚎 𝚘𝚗𝚎, 𝚎𝚟𝚎𝚗 𝚊𝚜 𝚠𝚎 𝚊𝚛𝚎 𝚘𝚗𝚎; 𝟸𝟹𝙸 𝚒𝚗 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚖, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚒𝚗 𝚖𝚎, 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚢 𝚖𝚊𝚢 𝚋𝚎 𝚙𝚎𝚛𝚏𝚎𝚌𝚝𝚎𝚍 𝚒𝚗𝚝𝚘 𝚘𝚗𝚎; 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚠𝚘𝚛𝚕𝚍 𝚖𝚊𝚢 𝚔𝚗𝚘𝚠 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚜𝚎𝚗𝚝 𝚖𝚎, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚕𝚘𝚟𝚎𝚍 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚖, 𝚎𝚟𝚎𝚗 𝚊𝚜 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚕𝚘𝚟𝚎𝚍 𝚖𝚎. 𝟸𝟺𝙵𝚊𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚛, 𝙸 𝚍𝚎𝚜𝚒𝚛𝚎 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚢 𝚊𝚕𝚜𝚘 𝚠𝚑𝚘𝚖 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚑𝚊𝚟𝚎 𝚐𝚒𝚟𝚎𝚗 𝚖𝚎 𝚋𝚎 𝚠𝚒𝚝𝚑 𝚖𝚎 𝚠𝚑𝚎𝚛𝚎 𝙸 𝚊𝚖, 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚢 𝚖𝚊𝚢 𝚜𝚎𝚎 𝚖𝚢 𝚐𝚕𝚘𝚛𝚢, 𝚠𝚑𝚒𝚌𝚑 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚑𝚊𝚟𝚎 𝚐𝚒𝚟𝚎𝚗 𝚖𝚎, 𝚏𝚘𝚛 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚕𝚘𝚟𝚎𝚍 𝚖𝚎 𝚋𝚎𝚏𝚘𝚛𝚎 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚏𝚘𝚞𝚗𝚍𝚊𝚝𝚒𝚘𝚗 𝚘𝚏 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚠𝚘𝚛𝚕𝚍.
And so, as can be seen here, your criticism are not well founded as these prove to be the result of a limited understanding of the scriptures.
*RE:* system is full of contradictions ( lies)
*A.* A sensitivity to contradictions and lies will most certainly prove helpful in our search for the truth - though we need to be careful so-as to avoid false conclusions in the process.
Hi , it’s nice meeting you here.. I’m Edward by name,I’m father and a leader in my church, it would be nice getting to know you,if that’s ok with you? My mom once said good friends are never too much to have. if you don’t mind, can we be friends??
YEA OK , ALEIGHT , BUT RHEN AGAIN WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THAT VERSE ? WHA OR QHERE DOES IT LEAD ? CERTAINLY NOT TO YOUR CULT "" JEHOVAH WIRNESS ""
Scripture of the Day (Daniel 2:44) Kingdom of Christ
A kingdom that shall never be destroyed. The eternal kingdom is the kingdom of our Lord Jesus Christ (Is. 9:7; Luke 1:33; Heb. 1:8; Rev. 11:15). This kingdom was inaugurated and preached at the First Coming of Christ (Mark 1:15; Matt. 12:28; 24:14), but does not come in its fullness until His Second Advent. See “The Kingdom of God” at Luke 17:20.
ToastalStrudelYah (Luke 17:20-21) Will you be able to observe Paradise Earth? or Can you see the Paradise Earth?
Jesse Sanchez
Hey Jesse, you still on the go then?
RS reads: “Jesus said to them, ‘Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am [Greek, e·go′ ei·mi′].’” (NE, KJ, TEV, JB, NAB all read “I am,” some even using capital letters to convey the idea of a title. Thus they endeavor to connect the expression with Exodus 3:14, where, according to their rendering, God refers to himself by the title “I Am.”) However, in NW the latter part of John 8:58 reads: “Before Abraham came into existence, I have been.” (The same idea is conveyed by the wording in AT, Mo, CBW, and SE.)
Which rendering agrees with the context? The question of the Jews (Joh 8 verse 57) to which Jesus was replying had to do with age, not identity. Jesus’ reply logically dealt with his age, the length of his existence. Interestingly, no effort is ever made to apply e·go′ ei·mi′ as a title to the holy spirit.
Excellent presentation you have there two renderings acknowledged and contextually observed that an I AM statement is a weak which grammatically doesn’t answer the how? question in that verse. Saying before Abraham was I was or I have been fits perfectly because: they (the Jews) are talking about time.. and Jesus answers with a phrase that touches on time. I am is grammatically incorrect and to assume Jesus is god and a perfect being. He wouldn’t have problems speaking correctly. Now we know he wasn’t using the similar phraseology as Jehovah in Exodua 3:14-15 because he didn’t formatted his words as if “Eher Asher Eher” was his name as we see in exodus: look: “Moses said to God, “Suppose I go to the Israelites and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they ask me, ‘What is his name?’*****Then what shall I tell them?”
14 God said to Moses, “I am who I am.[a] This**** is what you are to say**** to the Israelites: ‘I am has sent me to you.’”*****.. do this how will you be identified or with what name is not what we see in John 8:58 we see a conversation about Jesus past.
Exactly! I have been or I am points to ALWAYS EXISTING IN THE PRESENT. SHOWS ETERNALITY OF THE SON. Proves that Son has no beginning...
If Son had the beginning even before Abraham, then he should have used "I was."
>>> *Gal **3:26* ~ “You are all sons of God through your **FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST**.
>>> *2 Tim **3:15* ~ “…salvation through **FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST**.”
Why do we still debate whether Jesus is God? Because in Him is all things, even our salvation, our righteousness and our hope. I never joined the JW's but they did come around to my home to show me their message but something didn't click. A friend from school shared the gospel with me and immediately I knew this to be true. It made me consider why I couldn't accept the Kingdom message. It was because I sensed they were peddling a message that seemed perfectly formed and promised much but lacked life. I listened to this whole debate and my position after 40 years remains unchanged. Thank you Lord Jesus for saving me.
Matthew 13: 14,15 In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah:
“‘You will be ever hearing but never understanding;
you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.
For this people’s heart has become calloused;
they hardly hear with their ears,
and they have closed their eyes.
Otherwise they might see with their eyes,
hear with their ears,
understand with their hearts
and turn, and I would heal them.
Why are there still debate about Jesus? Because Satan is still the father of all lies. Satan is doing every tricks in his book to deceived people so he has cunningly tricked most people to deny Jesus sovereignty and his deity. Think about this way, Cuckoo bird lay egg(s) on other bird species nest as it sometimes have very similar looking eggs to trick the victim's mother to care for it. Same way, Jehovah Witness is very similar to Foundational Christianity but one is false believe as they (JW) have twisted truth to trick others to believe it. God bless you in abundance.
@UnderHisShadowOfficial The problem is John 2:19 Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days.” Who raise the life from the dead??? Not angels, not demons and not even us human... Only God can! Therefore, as Jesus said, "I WILL raise it again...." Jesus is God. Boom!
@@NCSiebertdesign fallacious... Jesus was using figurative speech. Or are you claiming he literally built a literal temple?
The fact he said "I" doesn't mean he's saying he literally resurrect himself from the dead.
Imagine you have your house built from scratch by a construction company, then in a conversation you say "I built my house from scratch". Now, would you say you're lying? Technically you didn't do it yourself but you had people paid to do it.
So your point really falls flat.
@@gianlucazanga8432 Typical of you misunderstanding my comment. Of course, it's not a literal temple. The temple Jesus raised is his church (again not a literal building) ... The body of Christ (believers/followers). It is God (the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit) that raised the dead body of Jesus as in physical resurrection.
@@NCSiebertdesign I didn't misunderstand. I asked a question. Because I find quite funny that this text is often used by trinitarian to "prove" the deity of Jesus when it does no such thing.
*TO "JW's"* .… Yes “JW’s”!… I do understand that being called a “Jehovah’s Witness” gives you a sense of *identity* .. And I understand that being told *only “JW’s”* have access to God and any hope for Eternal Life makes you feel very *“SPECIAL”*, even proud… But *all* cult leaders tell their followers that very same thing, that *THEY ALONE* have access to God.. And this is done intentionally to make you feel “SPECIAL” by being in the group/cult, and likewise, to make you feel *“godless”* or even *“destined for destruction”* if you leave the group/cult… All of this is Cultic *mind control*.
But as we see in the verses below, God makes *”NO DISTINCTION”** for particular cults/groups/organizations… Access to God and Eternal Life is *equally available* to *“ALL“* people *everywhere* who'll Repent and place their Faith in what **JESUS CHRIST** did for us when He died and paid for our sins.
>>> *Romans **3:22**-25* ~ “This Salvation from God comes through *FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST* to **ALL** who Believe **THERE IS NO DISTINCTION** because ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, and we are saved *Freely* by His *Grace* through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus, **THROUGH OUR FAITH IN JESUS BLOOD**.”
>>> *John **6:40* ~ “My Father’s will is that **EVERYONE** who **LOOKS TO JESUS** and Believes in Him shall have Eternal Life, and **I, JESUS**, shall raise him up at the last day.”
>>> *John **3:36* ~ " *WHOEVER* Believes in **JESUS** *HAS* Everlasting Life.”
I pray you all repent and place your Faith in *JESUS CHRIST Himself*, and not in any cult/group/organization that falsely claims *EXCLUSIVE Access* to God.
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You have every misconception that most people have about jws
@@flip4247 care to give examples?
In the year that King Uz·zi′ah died,+ I saw Jehovah sitting on a lofty and elevated throne,+ and the skirts of his robe filled the temple. 2 Seraphs were standing above him; each had six wings. Each* covered his face with two and covered his feet with two, and each of them would fly about with two.
3 And one called to the other:
“Holy, holy, holy is Jehovah of armies.+
The whole earth is filled with his glory.”
8 Then I heard the voice of Jehovah saying: “Whom shall I send, and who will go for us?”+
The little plus at the end of verse 8 gives a ref to 4 other scriptures....would anyone care to guess...I will give you one of them John 12:41
Isaiah said this because he saw Jesus' glory and spoke about him. :)
6:1-8 In this figurative vision, the temple is thrown open to view, even to the most holy place. The prophet, standing outside the temple, sees the Divine Presence seated on the mercy-seat, raised over the ark of the covenant, between the cherubim and seraphim, and the Divine glory filled the whole temple. See God upon his throne. This vision is explained, Joh 12:41, that Isaiah now saw Christ's glory, and spake of Him, which is a full proof that our Saviour is God. In Christ Jesus, God is seated on a throne of grace; and through him the way into the holiest is laid open. See God's temple, his church on earth, filled with his glory. His train, the skirts of his robes, filled the temple, the whole world, for it is all God's temple. And yet he dwells in every contrite heart. See the blessed attendants by whom his government is served. Above the throne stood the holy angels, called seraphim, which means burners; they burn in love to God, and zeal for his glory against sin. The seraphim showing their faces veiled, declares that they are ready to yield obedience to all God's commands, though they do not understand the secret reasons of his counsels, government, or promises. All vain-glory, ambition, ignorance, and pride, would be done away by one view of Christ in his glory. This awful vision of the Divine Majesty overwhelmed the prophet with a sense of his own vileness. We are undone if there is not a Mediator between us and this holy God. A glimpse of heavenly glory is enough to convince us that all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags. Nor is there a man that would dare to speak to the Lord, if he saw the justice, holiness, and majesty of God, without discerning his glorious mercy and grace in Jesus Christ. The live coal may denote the assurance given to the prophet, of pardon, and acceptance in his work, through the atonement of Christ. Nothing is powerful to cleanse and comfort the soul, but what is taken from Christ's satisfaction and intercession. The taking away sin is necessary to our speaking with confidence and comfort, either to God in prayer, or from God in preaching; and those shall have their sin taken away who complain of it as a burden, and see themselves in danger of being undone by it. It is great comfort to those whom God sends, that they go for God, and may therefore speak in his name, assured that he will bear them out.
@@bryangry
Just give me 1 verse saying
"Father is the only God"
God’s Kingdom is a real government established by Jehovah God. “The kingdom of God” is also called “the kingdom of heaven” in the Bible, since it rules from heaven. Mark 1: 14-15; Matthew 4:17 King James Version) It shares many attributes of human governments, yet it is superior to them in every way. God has appointed Jesus Christ as King of the Kingdom and has given him more authority than any human ruler could ever have. Matthew 28:18 Jesus uses this power only for good, since he has already proved to be a reliable and compassionate Leader. Matthew 4:23; Mark 1:40, 41; 6: 31-34; Luke 7: 11-17. Under God’s direction, Jesus has selected persons from all nations who will “rule as kings over the earth” with him in heaven. Revelations 5: 9-10.
Unlike human governments, which come and go, God’s Kingdom “will never be brought to ruin. Daniel 2:44.
The Kingdom of God doesn’t enrich its rulers at the expense of its subjects. Instead, it will accomplish God’s will, including the promise that those who love him will live forever on a paradise earth. Isaiah 35:1, 5, 6; Matthew 6:10; Revelations 21:1.
I love my www.jw.org. There is so much spiritual food that is provided on there. We have many bible translations; how many languages we can read everything in. We have the King James Bible and a few other bibles. We are students of bible truth; we teach from all sorts of bibles. I love our broadcasting every month; we have wonderful movies, literature based on the bible itself; it helps provide us with everyday life situations. We have materials for family worship; for the family, our teens, little ones. Its beautiful.
Instead of being so strong headed!!! take a look at it and really see for your self. It wonderful; there are thousands of people world wide that love the spiritual food that is provided. Its not just for us witnesses its also for the public.
I think you would love the bible that speaks in the Greek language lined up with the English.
For some reason, I think you may refuse but I thought I would just let you know the information is there.
I always think for myself but what you teach makes no sense at all; like the trinity, you don't think for yourself because most of your teachings are man made doctrines that it origins started with pagan that worshiped many false gods but sadly was eventually established with in the churches. By polluting God's words with false expectations. Theology teachings even came from the pagan world of man doctoring. You cant think for your self. I think very well for myself. At least I was able to recognize what is false teachings and what is true.
Many translations of the Bible leave out God’s name. But Jehovah’s anointed servants took a stand against Satan’s scheme to blot the name of God out of human memory. The introduction of the New World Translation released that day stated: “The foremost feature of this translation is the restoration of the divine name to its rightful place.” Indeed, the New World Translation uses God’s personal name, Jehovah, more than 7,000 times. How outstandingly this translation has exalted the name of our heavenly Father-Jehovah! In earlier years, the Bible Students understood God’s name to mean “I am that I am. Exodus 3:14 So God said to Moses: “I Will Become What I Choose to Become.” And he added: “This is what you are to say to the Israelites, ‘I Will Become has sent me to you.’” KJV.
“The name Jehovah signifies the self-existing One, . . . the One who had no beginning and no end.” However, by the time the translators of the New World Translation began their work, Jehovah had helped his people to discern that his name signifies not merely that he is self-existent but foremost that he is a God of purpose and activity. They learned that the name Jehovah literally means “He Causes to Become.” Yes, he caused the universe and intelligent beings to come into existence, and he continues to cause his will and purpose to become a reality. Why, though, is it so important that God’s name be exalted, and how can we have a share in exalting it?
Faithful early Bible Students viewed the ransom arrangement as the Bible’s main teaching. For example, in its first year of publication, the magazine mentioned the name Jesus ten times more Jehovah wants his name to be exalted. In fact, his primary purpose is to sanctify his name, as is evident in Jesus’ first request in his model prayer: “Let your name be sanctified.” Matt.6:9 You must pray, then, this way: “‘Our Father in the heavens, let your name be sanctified. You must pray, then, this way:“‘Our Father in the heavens, let your name be sanctified. When making that petition, for what are we praying?
than the name Jehovah. Regarding the Bible Students’ early years, noted that they gave “overbalanced importance” to Jesus. In time, though, Jehovah helped them to discern the prominence that the Bible gives to God’s personal name. they began showing more appreciation for Messiah’s heavenly Father, Jehovah.” In fact, during the decade following 1919, The Watch Tower mentioned God’s name over 6,500 times!
true Christians acquired the right understanding of the work assigned by God. Shortly after 1919, the anointed brothers taking the lead were moved to examine the prophecy of Isaiah. Thereafter, the contents of our publications underwent a change in focus. Why did that adjustment prove to be “food at the proper time”?
An outstanding way in which Jehovah exalts his name is by having a people on earth who bear his name. From 1513 B.C.E. onward, the nation of Israel represented Jehovah as his people. Isaiah. 43:12“I am the One who declared and saved and made known When there was no foreign god among you. So you are my witnesses,” declares Jehovah, “and I am God. However, they failed to keep their part of the covenant with God, and in 33 C.E., they lost their special relationship with him. Shortly thereafter, Jehovah “turned his attention to the nations to take out of them a people for his name.” Acts 15:14 Symʹe•on has related thoroughly how God for the first time turned his attention to the nations to take out of them a people for his name. That newly chosen people became known as “the Israel of God,” which consists of anointed followers of Christ from various nations.-Galatians 6:16 As for all those who walk orderly by this rule of conduct, peace and mercy be upon them, yes, upon the Israel of God.
“Babylon the Great” represented not only Christendom but also the whole world empire of false religion.
• “Satan . . . has taught the people to give more prominence to the birth of the babe Jesus than to the death of the man Jesus, in order to hide the importance of the ransom.”
• “Every one is aware of the spirit of frivolity, debauchery, drunkenness and revelry so prevalent during the Christmas season . . . Surely none of these things honor either Jehovah God or His Son.”
• “The Devil has now succeeded in grafting his counterfeit festivals, feast days, fast days and holy days upon the church . . . The Devil has succeeded in getting the people to adopt all his wicked schemes and to give them the name Christian, in order that thus he might mock the great Jehovah God.”
“We were pleased that we were able to give up something to prove our love for Jehovah.” Christ’s loyal followers were willing to make the needed changes and have no part in a celebration that stemmed from unclean worship.
The Bible Students long acknowledged that Christmas has pagan roots and that Jesus was not born on December 25. Millions were brought into the church from Paganism. But the change was mostly in name, for the pagan priests became christian priests and the pagan holidays came to be called by christian names-Christmas being one of these holidays.
in The Golden Age of December 14, 1927, noted that Christmas is a pagan celebration, focuses on pleasures, and involves idol worship. The article made it clear that the celebration was not ordered by Christ and concluded with this pointed statement about Christmas: “The fact that the world, the flesh, and the Devil are in favor of its perpetuation and observance . . . is a final and conclusive argument against its celebration by those who are dedicated wholly to the service of Jehovah.” Not surprisingly, the Bethel family did not celebrate Christmas that December-or ever again!
For many years, the Bible Students viewed the cross as an acceptable symbol of Christianity. They certainly did not feel that the cross should be worshipped, for they understood that idolatry is wrong.
For example, they proudly wore a cross-and-crown pin as an identifying badge. To them it signified that if they proved faithful to death, they would receive the crown of life. Beginning in 1891, a cross-and-crown symbol appeared on the cover of the Watch Tower. We came to recognize that what we once cherished as symbolic or representative of the death of our Lord and of our Christian devotion was really a pagan symbol. Cross-and-crown pins are idols. Jesus died on a stake, not on a cross. The Greek word stau•rosʹ is translated “cross” in many Bible translations. Notice, however, what various sources say about the meaning of this word:
• “The Greek word [stau•rosʹ] properly . . . means merely a stake.”-Cyclopedia of Biblical, Theological, and Ecclesiastical Literature.
• “A pole in the broadest sense. It is not the equivalent of a ‘cross.’ “A strong stake, such as farmers drive into the ground to make their fences or palisades-no more, no less. “It never means two pieces of timber placed across one another at any angle, but always of one piece alone.
An upright pale or stake . . . It never means two pieces of wood joining
See as you can see in earlier years the bible students did read from the King James Bible but they realized that many translations wiped out God's name; so his name was put back in its place were many translations took his name out and replaced in with titles such as God and Lord in capital letters. Witnesses at one time did celebrate Christmas, until they realized how pagan it really was and how God would be displeased with this practice, so they just stopped celebrating it. They even use to find the cross to be very dear to them, but they realized it was pagan as well and that Jesus never even died on a cross but in THE Greek word Stauros really meant a stake, or pole, or tree. But never meaning two pieces of timber but just a stake upright. They even recognized many false teachings of the church because it doesn't fit the scriptures at all. The funny thing is, they were able to recognize this from the King James Bible, isn't that something. If you look at www.jw.org you can go on the library area and you will see a few bibles. Many can still learn from the Kings James Bible but you have to recognize every-time the G or L is capitalized it talking about Jehovah God because his name is replaced with titles God and Lord; instead of his name were it originally was at one time. The cross, we know that as the stake, or tree. and were it said that he was God; were it is really suppose to mean a god lower case.
Yes! he did live in a pagan world but back then the Greek word stau•rosʹ means a stake, or tree hello!!! Even some other churches have recognized this. I mean there is a church in Texas were they have Jesus on a stake as well. Smart that they recognized this and changed it; just like we did also. It makes total sense because this was there common use of torture; in Rome and it even existed down to the mid evil days.
DR. White was extremely under prepared. Couldn't answer very clear questions, trying to filibuster questions. THE JEHOVAH'S WITNESS WONE THIS DEBATE. Dr. WHITE sounded like Myorkis answering questions about the border😂 I'm going to find JEHOVAH witness church, I'm definitely interested in the points Stafford brought. Very clear.😮 Payers.
James White is not a doctor
Bro stop the cap. You are already a JW lol
I have to agree. The JW did WONE this… whatever that means. I think it means lost? Idk what’s WONE?
@@Fassnight I said both are wrong
What the JW teach is NOT in the Bible. It is based on Russell's thoughts. Why do these guys still believe the JW stuff?
*TO "JW's"*.... You are trying to get to GOD through the Watchtower organization, and *THAT IS IMPOSSIBLE!*.....Because you do NOT have *JESUS CHRIST* as your *Mediator* you are presently *EXCLUDED* from the Kingdom of God.
>>>John 10:9 ~ “*I*, **JESUS**, am *THE DOOR*.. Whoever enters by *ME*, **JESUS**, will be saved."
I pray you *COME TO CHRIST* and be saved one day.
100% correct
Word! Pun intended!
Every now and then someone says , "But the Bible never explicitly calls Jesus God!"
This is frequently followed by an assertion that Christian teaching on the divinity of Christ was all dreamed up by the Council of Nicea many centuries after the Bible was written. That "Son of God" language was misunderstood as implying the "Son is God" in a way which totally distorts the original intentions of the authors.
For those that say that however, I'd invite them to engage with these verses from the ancient New Testament scriptures.
John 20:28 - Thomas said to him, "My Lord and my God!"
Romans 9:5 - ...Christ, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen.
Titus 2:13-15 - ...our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ,
Hebrews 1:8 - But about the Son he says, "Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever…
2 Peter 1:1 - ...the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ…
Could it be more explicit? If so, how?
@bgillard12
I am from Greece and read the Greek Bible....!
The verse from Elpida Tanevramou
is truth
Despite all their claims of being God‘s "organization", when we look at their 120+ yrs of false prophecies such as their Armageddon failed prophecies for 1914, 1915, 1918, 1925, and 1975, we have overwhelming evidence that God has NEVER spoken to the Watchtower leaders.
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exactly
VAIO294 end of story
@@flamingooneleg77 exact
absolutly
They now say they are not inspired by god
Wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Christ Jesus.
Jesus Rose from the dead after 3 days.
Actually Jesus need help to come back into life from a death state. Peter testifies:
(Acts 2:32) God resurrected this Jesus, and of this we are all witnesses.
Galatians 1:1 - Paul, an apostle-sent not from men nor by a man, but by Jesus Christ and God the Father, who raised him from the dead
John 2:19 - Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”
Romans 8: 11 The Holy Spirit raised Jesus from the dead. If the same Holy Spirit lives in you, He will give life to your bodies in the same way.
Jesus was resurrected by God. And by that we can mean that it was the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.
@@krism5575 No.. It was God who raised him!!
@@debraannmartinez7157 those verses are the evidences that the Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit raised him from the dead. That's a triune God.
@@debraannmartinez7157 exactly 💯
Moses promptly called all the elders of Israel+ and said to them: “Go and select young *animals* for each of your families, and slaughter the Passover *sacrifice*. 22 Then you must dip a bunch of hyssop into the blood that is in a basin and strike the upper part of the doorway and the two doorposts with the blood; and none of you should go out of the entrance of his house until morning.(Exodus 12:21-22 NWT)
21 Then Moses called for all the elders of Israel and said to them, “Go and take for yourselves *lambs* according to your families, and slay the Passover *lamb*. 22 You shall take a bunch of hyssop and dip it in the blood which is in the basin, and apply some of the blood that is in the basin to the lintel and the two doorposts; and none of you shall go outside the door of his house until morning.(Exodus 12:21-22 NASB)
The watchtower hides the word lamb.I wonder why they would do that.
Moses is a myth. Torah written in 600 BCE prob by Ezra. There was no exodus. There was no flood...
>>> *Gal **3:22* ~ “…so that what was promised (*Eternal Life*), being given through **FAITH in JESUS CHRIST**, may be given to them that *Believe*.”
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Angels were created not begotten
Jesus said he was created in the book of john chapter six
@@ochr5149 john 6:57 Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father,
@@ochr5149 Jesus says his life depends on the Father that he is alive because of the Father
@@bretherenlee1404 That doesn't make Him Michael.
@@ochr5149 Jesus said his life depends on the Father that he is alive because of the Father that says it all
If Christ never claimed to be God then why did they kill Him?
_do you say of him whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, 'You blaspheme,' because I said, 'I am the Son of God?'_ - John 10.36
_The Jews answered him, "We have a law, and by our law he ought to die, because he made himself the Son of God."_ - John 19.7
Because he kept saying he is the son of God, and of God
@@nunesandrew4198 that is true but do you know what the term son of God means the term son of God means God made manifest in human form that's in John chapter 1 verse 1 verse 14 witch clearly states that is the incarnation so basically God became a human being to take away all sin and only God alone can do this.
@@nunesandrew4198 and then he was also another thing that the Jehovah's witnesses or if you are Jehovah's witness I'm just going to tell you right now Thomas wasn't using the lord's name in vain when he refer to Jesus as being God in John 20:28. So here's what he said he said my Lord and my God and he knelt down and bow before Christ and Jesus never rebuked him for saying that.Jesus says out of his own mouth that he is God in John chapter 10 verse 30 and 33 he says I and the father are one which means we are one in essence and one in nature Jesus Christ had two natures he's both God and he's both man,and the other thing is is that in Isaiah chapter 9 verse 6 but they also clearly state that Jesus Christ is a God not God himself but here's the thing they take the term mighty and Almighty and say it's not the same thing when actually it is.because in the Bible yes God is referred to as Almighty but he's also referred to as mighty, so in Psalm 3523 David saying talking about God who is mighty and David says mighty God in there Isaiah chapter 10 verse 20 and 21 say a remnant of Jacob willreturn to the mighty God right there and Isaiah Isaiah just referred to us that God is mighty so therefore I can take Psalm 35 23 and Isaiah chapter 10 verse 20 and 21 and add it to Isaiah chapter 9 verse 6 were it clearly states that Jesus Christ is God. now look at acts 20:28 it says the shepherds and oversee Sears of the Church of God which he has purchased with his own blood right there it just told you that God purchased the church with his own blood how did God do that God did it by dying on the cross for the sins of the world and how did he bleed well that's simple he became a human being in order to bleed and die on the cross he became the human being the Lord Jesus Christ to take away that sin. So naturally in Acts 20:28 right there it just told you that God became human to take away all sin and that he purchased the church with his own blood by dying on the cross for the sins of the world
Leslie the Jehovah's witnesses claimed that the term in Colossians 1:16 says he meeting Jesus is the image of the invisible God of the old testament Jehovahthen it goes on reading saying he is the firstborn of all creation then that's where they will stop you and say oh it says he was the first born okay what about that word disable that means he was created and I actually said you want to know what the actual turn my firstborn means they say yes and here's what the actual term of what first born means.the actual term for first born means this it means highest and authority and rank King David for example was the youngest brother of his family but he was also the first born what that means is is what was the highest authority that you can have back in Israel the highest authority that you can have back in is real back in those times was King so he got the highest title of all which was King and he was the highest authority in rank and he had so much authority to do everything that was his high authority was to be king over all Israel that was his high authority so since the Lord Jesus Christ is God in the flesh he is highest in authority and rank and has the authority to do whatever he needs to do to save his people from sin.Jude verse 9 makes it clear statement that Michael the archangel cannot rebuke Satan only God can do that Michael says very clearly to Satan I cannot rebuke you I will let the Lord handle it.now if you look at Hebrews chapter 1 verse 5 and verse 8 God says clearly when did I make any of my angels my only begotten when did I become their father and then my children he says about the Angels they are my servants and ministers flames of fire but to the sunny says your throne o God will last forever and ever and the scepter of righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom.so right there God just called Jesus the firstborn of all Creation God.now keep in mind Jesus is God in the flesh so God just spoke to God the son and called him God now mind you there are not three gods there are three coexisting Co eternal persons one God that's the trinity.
@@jeremiahrowesr.3130
*[1. SON OF GOD]*
Adam is a Son of God, as are the angels, Adam etc
*[2. GOD MANIFEST]*
The expression "manifest" literally means "revealed", as-in; God was revealed in the flesh of Jesus Christ on earth
*[3. FORGIVENESS OF SINS]*
The question I would ask, is why anyone would would want to side with the Pharisees?
𝟺𝙹𝚎𝚜𝚞𝚜, 𝚔𝚗𝚘𝚠𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚒𝚛 𝚝𝚑𝚘𝚞𝚐𝚑𝚝𝚜, 𝚜𝚊𝚒𝚍, "𝐖𝐡𝐲 𝐝𝐨 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐤 𝐞𝐯𝐢𝐥 𝐢𝐧 𝐲𝐨𝐮𝐫 𝐡𝐞𝐚𝐫𝐭𝐬? 𝟻𝙵𝚘𝚛 𝚠𝚑𝚒𝚌𝚑 𝚒𝚜 𝚎𝚊𝚜𝚒𝚎𝚛, 𝚝𝚘 𝚜𝚊𝚢, '𝚈𝚘𝚞𝚛 𝚜𝚒𝚗𝚜 𝚊𝚛𝚎 𝚏𝚘𝚛𝚐𝚒𝚟𝚎𝚗;' 𝚘𝚛 𝚝𝚘 𝚜𝚊𝚢, '𝙶𝚎𝚝 𝚞𝚙, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚠𝚊𝚕𝚔?' 𝟼𝙱𝚞𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚖𝚊𝚢 𝚔𝚗𝚘𝚠 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚂𝚘𝚗 𝚘𝚏 𝙼𝚊𝚗 𝚑𝚊𝚜 𝚊𝚞𝚝𝚑𝚘𝚛𝚒𝚝𝚢 𝚘𝚗 𝚎𝚊𝚛𝚝𝚑 𝚝𝚘 𝚏𝚘𝚛𝚐𝚒𝚟𝚎 𝚜𝚒𝚗𝚜..." (𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚗 𝚑𝚎 𝚜𝚊𝚒𝚍 𝚝𝚘 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚙𝚊𝚛𝚊𝚕𝚢𝚝𝚒𝚌), "𝙶𝚎𝚝 𝚞𝚙, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚝𝚊𝚔𝚎 𝚞𝚙 𝚢𝚘𝚞𝚛 𝚖𝚊𝚝, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚐𝚘 𝚞𝚙 𝚝𝚘 𝚢𝚘𝚞𝚛 𝚑𝚘𝚞𝚜𝚎." 𝟽𝙷𝚎 𝚊𝚛𝚘𝚜𝚎 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚍𝚎𝚙𝚊𝚛𝚝𝚎𝚍 𝚝𝚘 𝚑𝚒𝚜 𝚑𝚘𝚞𝚜𝚎. 𝟾𝙱𝚞𝚝 𝚠𝚑𝚎𝚗 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚖𝚞𝚕𝚝𝚒𝚝𝚞𝚍𝚎𝚜 𝚜𝚊𝚠 𝚒𝚝, 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐲 𝐦𝐚𝐫𝐯𝐞𝐥𝐞𝐝 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐠𝐥𝐨𝐫𝐢𝐟𝐢𝐞𝐝 𝐆𝐨𝐝, 𝐰𝐡𝐨 𝐡𝐚𝐝 𝐠𝐢𝐯𝐞𝐧 𝐬𝐮𝐜𝐡 𝐚𝐮𝐭𝐡𝐨𝐫𝐢𝐭𝐲 𝐭𝐨 𝐦𝐞𝐧. - 𝙼𝚊𝚝𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚠 𝟾.𝟺-𝟾
*[4. MY LORD AND MY GOD]*
John 20:28 is about seeing and believing - whereas Thomas' affirmed what it meant to see Jesus Christ and believe in God who sent Him;
Let's consider the words of John toward matters;
𝙹𝚘𝚑𝚗 𝟷𝟸:𝟺𝟺 𝙷𝚎 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝚋𝚎𝚕𝚒𝚎𝚟𝚎𝚜 𝚒𝚗 𝚖𝚎, 𝚋𝚎𝚕𝚒𝚎𝚟𝚎𝚜 𝚒𝚗 𝐇𝐢𝐦 𝐰𝐡𝐨 𝐬𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐦𝐞
𝙹𝚘𝚑𝚗 𝟷𝟸:𝟺𝟻 𝙷𝚎 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝚜𝚎𝚎𝚜 𝚖𝚎, 𝚜𝚎𝚎𝚜 𝐇𝐢𝐦 𝐰𝐡𝐨 𝐬𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐦𝐞
𝙹𝚘𝚑𝚗 𝟷𝟺:𝟿 𝙷𝚎 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝚑𝚊𝚜 𝚜𝚎𝚎𝚗 𝚖𝚎, 𝐡𝐚𝐬 𝐬𝐞𝐞𝐧 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐅𝐚𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫
𝙹𝚘𝚑𝚗 𝟸0:𝟸𝟾 𝙼𝚢 𝙻𝚘𝚛𝚍 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝐌𝐲 𝐆𝐨𝐝
While no one has seen God, whereas Jesus reveal Him in the flesh on earth;
𝙽𝚘 𝚘𝚗𝚎 𝚑𝚊𝚜 𝚜𝚎𝚎𝚗 𝙶𝚘𝚍 𝚊𝚝 𝚊𝚗𝚢 𝚝𝚒𝚖𝚎. 𝚃𝚑𝚎 𝚘𝚗𝚎 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚘𝚗𝚕𝚢 𝚂𝚘𝚗, 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝚒𝚜 𝚒𝚗 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚋𝚘𝚜𝚘𝚖 𝚘𝚏 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝙵𝚊𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚛, 𝚑𝚎 𝚑𝚊𝚜 𝚍𝚎𝚌𝚕𝚊𝚛𝚎𝚍 𝚑𝚒𝚖. - 𝙹𝚘𝚑𝚗 𝟷.𝟷𝟾
𝚆𝚒𝚝𝚑𝚘𝚞𝚝 𝚌𝚘𝚗𝚝𝚛𝚘𝚟𝚎𝚛𝚜𝚢, 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚖𝚢𝚜𝚝𝚎𝚛𝚢 𝚘𝚏 𝚐𝚘𝚍𝚕𝚒𝚗𝚎𝚜𝚜 𝚒𝚜 𝚐𝚛𝚎𝚊𝚝: 𝙶𝚘𝚍 𝚠𝚊𝚜 𝚛𝚎𝚟𝚎𝚊𝚕𝚎𝚍 𝚒𝚗 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚏𝚕𝚎𝚜𝚑, 𝚓𝚞𝚜𝚝𝚒𝚏𝚒𝚎𝚍 𝚒𝚗 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚜𝚙𝚒𝚛𝚒𝚝, 𝚜𝚎𝚎𝚗 𝚋𝚢 𝚊𝚗𝚐𝚎𝚕𝚜, 𝚙𝚛𝚎𝚊𝚌𝚑𝚎𝚍 𝚊𝚖𝚘𝚗𝚐 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚗𝚊𝚝𝚒𝚘𝚗𝚜, 𝚋𝚎𝚕𝚒𝚎𝚟𝚎𝚍 𝚘𝚗 𝚒𝚗 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚠𝚘𝚛𝚕𝚍, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚛𝚎𝚌𝚎𝚒𝚟𝚎𝚍 𝚞𝚙 𝚒𝚗 𝚐𝚕𝚘𝚛𝚢. - 𝟷 𝚃𝚒𝚖 𝟹.𝟷𝟼
𝚢𝚎𝚝 𝚝𝚘 𝚞𝚜 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚛𝚎 𝚒𝚜 𝐨𝐧𝐞 𝐆𝐨𝐝, 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐅𝐚𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫, 𝚘𝚏 𝚠𝚑𝚘𝚖 𝚊𝚛𝚎 𝚊𝚕𝚕 𝚝𝚑𝚒𝚗𝚐𝚜, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚠𝚎 𝚏𝚘𝚛 𝚑𝚒𝚖; 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝐨𝐧𝐞 𝐋𝐨𝐫𝐝, 𝐉𝐞𝐬𝐮𝐬 𝐂𝐡𝐫𝐢𝐬𝐭, 𝚝𝚑𝚛𝚘𝚞𝚐𝚑 𝚠𝚑𝚘𝚖 𝚊𝚛𝚎 𝚊𝚕𝚕 𝚝𝚑𝚒𝚗𝚐𝚜, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚠𝚎 𝚕𝚒𝚟𝚎 𝚝𝚑𝚛𝚘𝚞𝚐𝚑 𝚑𝚒𝚖. - 𝟷 𝙲𝚘𝚛 𝟾:𝟼
Therefore when Thomas said; _My Lord, and My God,_ he affirmed his faith in God through the testimony of Jesus Christ' death and resurrection - My Lord [Jesus Christ], and the God [who sent Him].
*[5. I AND THE FATHER ARE ONE]*
𝟸𝟷𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚢 𝚖𝚊𝚢 𝚊𝚕𝚕 𝚋𝚎 𝚘𝚗𝚎; 𝐞𝐯𝐞𝐧 𝐚𝐬 𝐲𝐨𝐮, 𝐅𝐚𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫, 𝐚𝐫𝐞 𝐢𝐧 𝐦𝐞, 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐈 𝐢𝐧 𝐲𝐨𝐮, 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐲 𝐚𝐥𝐬𝐨 𝐦𝐚𝐲 𝐛𝐞 𝐨𝐧𝐞 𝐢𝐧 𝐮𝐬; 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚠𝚘𝚛𝚕𝚍 𝚖𝚊𝚢 𝚋𝚎𝚕𝚒𝚎𝚟𝚎 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚜𝚎𝚗𝚝 𝚖𝚎. 𝟸𝟸𝚃𝚑𝚎 𝚐𝚕𝚘𝚛𝚢 𝚠𝚑𝚒𝚌𝚑 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚑𝚊𝚟𝚎 𝚐𝚒𝚟𝚎𝚗 𝚖𝚎, 𝙸 𝚑𝚊𝚟𝚎 𝚐𝚒𝚟𝚎𝚗 𝚝𝚘 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚖; 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐲 𝐦𝐚𝐲 𝐛𝐞 𝐨𝐧𝐞, 𝐞𝐯𝐞𝐧 𝐚𝐬 𝐰𝐞 𝐚𝐫𝐞 𝐨𝐧𝐞; 𝟸𝟹𝙸 𝚒𝚗 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚖, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚒𝚗 𝚖𝚎, 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚢 𝚖𝚊𝚢 𝚋𝚎 𝚙𝚎𝚛𝚏𝚎𝚌𝚝𝚎𝚍 𝚒𝚗𝚝𝚘 𝚘𝚗𝚎... - 𝙹𝚘𝚑𝚗 𝟷𝟽.𝟸𝟷-𝟸3
*[6. I AM GOD]*
The Bible sets a precedent for declarations pertaining to God's identity;
𝚃𝚑𝚞𝚜 𝚜𝚊𝚢𝚜 𝚈𝚊𝚑𝚠𝚎𝚑, 𝚢𝚘𝚞𝚛 𝚁𝚎𝚍𝚎𝚎𝚖𝚎𝚛, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚑𝚎 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝚏𝚘𝚛𝚖𝚎𝚍 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚏𝚛𝚘𝚖 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚠𝚘𝚖𝚋: "𝐈 𝐚𝐦 𝐘𝐚𝐡𝐰𝐞𝐡, 𝐰𝐡𝐨 𝐦𝐚𝐤𝐞𝐬 𝐚𝐥𝐥 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐠𝐬; 𝐰𝐡𝐨 𝐚𝐥𝐨𝐧𝐞 𝐬𝐭𝐫𝐞𝐭𝐜𝐡𝐞𝐬 𝐨𝐮𝐭 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐡𝐞𝐚𝐯𝐞𝐧𝐬; 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝚜𝚙𝚛𝚎𝚊𝚍𝚜 𝚘𝚞𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚎𝚊𝚛𝚝𝚑 𝚋𝚢 𝚖𝚢𝚜𝚎𝚕𝚏; 𝙸𝚜𝚊𝚒𝚊𝚑 𝟺𝟺.𝟸𝟺
𝙵𝚘𝚛 𝚝𝚑𝚞𝚜 𝚜𝚊𝚢𝚜 𝚈𝚊𝚑𝚠𝚎𝚑 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝚌𝚛𝚎𝚊𝚝𝚎𝚍 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚑𝚎𝚊𝚟𝚎𝚗𝚜, 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝙶𝚘𝚍 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝚏𝚘𝚛𝚖𝚎𝚍 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚎𝚊𝚛𝚝𝚑 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚖𝚊𝚍𝚎 𝚒𝚝, 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝚎𝚜𝚝𝚊𝚋𝚕𝚒𝚜𝚑𝚎𝚍 𝚒𝚝 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚍𝚒𝚍𝚗'𝚝 𝚌𝚛𝚎𝚊𝚝𝚎 𝚒𝚝 𝚊 𝚠𝚊𝚜𝚝𝚎, 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝚏𝚘𝚛𝚖𝚎𝚍 𝚒𝚝 𝚝𝚘 𝚋𝚎 𝚒𝚗𝚑𝚊𝚋𝚒𝚝𝚎𝚍: "𝐈 𝐚𝐦 𝐘𝐚𝐡𝐰𝐞𝐡; 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫𝐞 𝐢𝐬 𝐧𝐨 𝐨𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫. - 𝙸𝚜𝚊𝚒𝚊𝚑 𝟺𝟻.𝟷𝟾
𝚆𝚑𝚎𝚗 𝙰𝚋𝚛𝚊𝚖 𝚠𝚊𝚜 𝚗𝚒𝚗𝚎𝚝𝚢-𝚗𝚒𝚗𝚎 𝚢𝚎𝚊𝚛𝚜 𝚘𝚕𝚍, 𝚈𝚊𝚑𝚠𝚎𝚑 𝚊𝚙𝚙𝚎𝚊𝚛𝚎𝚍 𝚝𝚘 𝙰𝚋𝚛𝚊𝚖, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚜𝚊𝚒𝚍 𝚝𝚘 𝚑𝚒𝚖, "𝐈 𝐚𝐦 𝐆𝐨𝐝 𝐀𝐥𝐦𝐢𝐠𝐡𝐭𝐲. 𝚆𝚊𝚕𝚔 𝚋𝚎𝚏𝚘𝚛𝚎 𝚖𝚎, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚋𝚎 𝚋𝚕𝚊𝚖𝚎𝚕𝚎𝚜𝚜. - 𝙶𝚎𝚗𝚎𝚜𝚒𝚜 𝟷𝟽.𝟷
𝙶𝚘𝚍 𝚜𝚊𝚒𝚍 𝚝𝚘 𝚑𝚒𝚖, "𝐈 𝐚𝐦 𝐆𝐨𝐝 𝐀𝐥𝐦𝐢𝐠𝐡𝐭𝐲. 𝙱𝚎 𝚏𝚛𝚞𝚒𝚝𝚏𝚞𝚕 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚖𝚞𝚕𝚝𝚒𝚙𝚕𝚢. 𝙰 𝚗𝚊𝚝𝚒𝚘𝚗 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚊 𝚌𝚘𝚖𝚙𝚊𝚗𝚢 𝚘𝚏 𝚗𝚊𝚝𝚒𝚘𝚗𝚜 𝚠𝚒𝚕𝚕 𝚋𝚎 𝚏𝚛𝚘𝚖 𝚢𝚘𝚞, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚔𝚒𝚗𝚐𝚜 𝚠𝚒𝚕𝚕 𝚌𝚘𝚖𝚎 𝚘𝚞𝚝 𝚘𝚏 𝚢𝚘𝚞𝚛 𝚋𝚘𝚍𝚢. - 𝙶𝚎𝚗𝚎𝚜𝚒𝚜 𝟹𝟻.𝟷𝟷
𝟸𝙶𝚘𝚍 𝚜𝚙𝚘𝚔𝚎 𝚝𝚘 𝙼𝚘𝚜𝚎𝚜, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚜𝚊𝚒𝚍 𝚝𝚘 𝚑𝚒𝚖, "𝐈 𝐚𝐦 𝐘𝐚𝐡𝐰𝐞𝐡; 𝟹𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝙸 𝚊𝚙𝚙𝚎𝚊𝚛𝚎𝚍 𝚝𝚘 𝙰𝚋𝚛𝚊𝚑𝚊𝚖, 𝚝𝚘 𝙸𝚜𝚊𝚊𝚌, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚝𝚘 𝙹𝚊𝚌𝚘𝚋, 𝚊𝚜 𝙶𝚘𝚍 𝙰𝚕𝚖𝚒𝚐𝚑𝚝𝚢; 𝚋𝚞𝚝 𝚋𝚢 𝚖𝚢 𝚗𝚊𝚖𝚎 𝚈𝚊𝚑𝚠𝚎𝚑 𝙸 𝚠𝚊𝚜 𝚗𝚘𝚝 𝚔𝚗𝚘𝚠𝚗 𝚝𝚘 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚖 - 𝙴𝚡𝚘𝚍𝚞𝚜 𝟼.𝟸-𝟹
𝙵𝚘𝚛 𝐈 𝐚𝐦 𝐘𝐚𝐡𝐰𝐞𝐡 𝐲𝐨𝐮𝐫 𝐆𝐨𝐝. 𝚂𝚊𝚗𝚌𝚝𝚒𝚏𝚢 𝚢𝚘𝚞𝚛𝚜𝚎𝚕𝚟𝚎𝚜 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚛𝚎𝚏𝚘𝚛𝚎, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚋𝚎 𝚑𝚘𝚕𝚢; 𝚏𝚘𝚛 𝙸 𝚊𝚖 𝚑𝚘𝚕𝚢: 𝚗𝚎𝚒𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚛 𝚜𝚑𝚊𝚕𝚕 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚍𝚎𝚏𝚒𝚕𝚎 𝚢𝚘𝚞𝚛𝚜𝚎𝚕𝚟𝚎𝚜 𝚠𝚒𝚝𝚑 𝚊𝚗𝚢 𝚔𝚒𝚗𝚍 𝚘𝚏 𝚌𝚛𝚎𝚎𝚙𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝚝𝚑𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚖𝚘𝚟𝚎𝚜 𝚘𝚗 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚎𝚊𝚛𝚝𝚑. - 𝙻𝚎𝚟𝚒𝚝𝚒𝚌𝚞𝚜 𝟷𝟷.𝟺𝟺
With that said, it is worth noting, that there are no Bible passages declaring Jesus as [the God] - none before, nor after His death and resurrection in the Bible.
Jesus said Me and the Father are one , what kind of an angel can say that ... ?
Hebrews takes pain to show Jesus is not a angel. "about the Son"
However the Firstborn of all creation = the first of Gods works. Jesus has always been the Son. The fullness was pleased to dwell in Him. (from the will of another)
Jesus is not Michael and Michael is not Gods firstborn.
The eternal Spirit that dwells in Jesus is the Fathers and in that manner they are one. And all the fullness of the Father dwells in Jesus so He is the radiance of Gods glory and the exact representation of Gods being in whom all things hold together. God in that context.
Again so simple if you keep reading he says I and the father are one just like me and the disciples are one
He meant oneness of purpose, not of person.
Yes ....John 14:15-18 and Romans 8:9-11....Amen ,..faith on 🔥
He also said the Father is greater than I !
You quoted "1 Cor. 15:28"
If HE (JESUS) is subjected right now, then how can HE (JESUS) subject HIMSELF (JESUS) if HE (JESUS) is already subjected?
When will this event happen according to 1 Cor. 15:28?
So God is not all in all right now eagle?
Jesus is recognizing that despite all the authority that has been given him, he is still subject to Jehovah. Imagine David coming back from battle with everyone recognizing him as an authority, he slew hundreds of enemies and is praised and exalted by all under his authority, but when he returns to the cast,e, he subjected himself under king Saul. Does this mean he was not subject to him while in battle. Of course not, but while such he acted as a man of authority, now returned he humbles himself under the king, recognizing his authority over him. The same occurs with the Christ.
Rev 1:4-5, "Grace be unto you, and peace,"
1."From Him which is, and which was, and which is to come;" (This is clearly God the Father).
2."From the Seven Spirits which are before His throne; "(This is clearly God the Holy Spirit).
3."From Jesus Christ who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten from the dead, and the Prince of the kings of the earth;" (This is clearly God the Son).
Paul said but even if we or an angel from heaven preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you let him be Accursed gal 1:8
Paul said Yet for us there is but ONE GOD the Father of whom are all things and One Lord Jesus Christ (1Cort 8:6)
ONE GOD THE FATHER
ONE LORD JESUS CHRIST
Paul said great is the mystery of Godliness, GOD was manifest in the flesh (1Tim 3:16)
OR GOD REVEALED IN THE FLESH
OR THE FATHER COME IN THE FLESH
He was in the world and the World was made by him, and the World knew him not Jn1:10
THE WORLD WAS MADE BY HIM
Jesus was made the World Alone
THE WORLD KNEW HIM NOT
Why..? Because they said
He is a god, other said he is god the Son ,the other said he is a Prophet
He came to his own but his own receive him not Jn1:11
Why..? Because their Father God is Jehovah, Yahweh Adonai, Elohim Yhwh ect,
John said for many deceivers have gone out into the World who do not confess Jesus Christ come in the flesh, this is Deceiver An Antichrist (2Jn1:7)
The scripture is very very clear
Whosoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God (2jn1:9)
Jesus said the first of all the commandment is HEAR O ISRAEL the Lord our God is One Lord Mark 12:29
QUESTION
Who is One Lord...?
ANSWER
Paul said Jesus Christ is One Lord (1Cort 8:6)
For I am the Lord thy God the Holy one of Israel thy Savior isa 43: 3
Isa 45: 5 I AM the Lord, and there is none else, THERE IS NO GOD BESIDE ME I girded thee, though thou has not known me
THEREFORE know this day and consider it in your heart that the Lord himself is God in heaven above and on the Earth beneath THERE IS NO OTHERS Duet 4: 39
Paul said Jesus is the great God and savour Titus 2:13
John said Jesus is the TRUE GOD and eternal life (1jn5:20)
Paul said Jesus throne is forever and ever HEB 1:8
QUESTION
Where is the throne of Jehovah...?
You started off great, but then slowly shifted toward unfounded statements as things moved along. For example, your proposed interpretation of the throne of YHWH, which symbolizes YHWH's divine rule, and as demonstrated with Jesus' own forefathers on earth(David, Solomon, etc).
And so, there appears to be some confusion as to what this represents.
That said, and with regard to the first Bible reference;
_'but of the Son he says, “Your throne, O GOD, is forever and ever. The sceptre of uprightness is the sceptre of your Kingdom'_ - Heb 1.8
Originally taken from;
_'Your throne, GOD, is forever and ever. A sceptre of equity is the sceptre of your kingdom'_ - Ps 45.6
There are discrepancies between the Hebrew and Greek, in-that the speaker and subject now seem muddled, as the speaker in the original passage proves to be the human Psalmist, rather than YHWH, and as many appear to believe today.
Likewise, the reference to the throne in the original citation(in Ps), proves to be YHWH Himself, rather than the Son, and moreso, where many modern Bible translations do not carry this particular message through;
4314 [e] Πρὸς pros *unto*
1161 [e] δὲ de *however*
3588 [e] τὸν ton *the*
5207 [e] Υἱόν huion *son*
3588 [e] Ὁ HO *the*
2362 [e] θρόνος thronos *throne*
4771 [e] σου sou *of you*
3588 [e] ὁ ho *O*
2316 [e] Θεὸς theos *GOD*
1519 [e] εἰς eis *to*
3588 [e] τὸν ton *the*
0165 [e] αἰῶνα aiōna *age*
3588 [e] τοῦ tou *of the*
0165 [e] αἰῶνος, aiōnos *age*
2532 [e] καὶ kai *and*
3588 [e] ἡ hē *the*
4464 [e] ῥάβδος rhabdos *scepter*
3588 [e] τῆς tēs *of*
2118 [e] εὐθύτητος euthytētos *righteousness*
4464 [e] ῥάβδος rhabdos *scepter*
3588 [e] τῆς tēs *of the*
0932 [e] βασιλείας basileias *kingdom*
4771 [e] σου sou *of you*
translated;
_unto however the son the throne of you the God to the age of the age and the sceptre of righteousness sceptre of the kingdom of you. You have loved righteousness and hated iniquity; therefore God, your GOD has anointed you with the oil of gladness above your fellows_ - Heb 1.8-9
Now to many, the notion of a God with a GOD above Him comes-across rather oddly, if not blasphemous.
However and as scriptures show the title of God, was given onto those ruling in GOD's name, the title proves fitting for YHWH's authorized King and Judge in heaven.
@@smalltimer4370
The Scripture is Very Very Clear
Whosoever transgressed and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God (2jn1:9)
Where did Jesus teach YHWH or Jehovah.?
Can you provide even only one verse...?
@@dreameruy9510
Are you suggesting that Jesus did not worship YHWH on earth?
Likewise, are you also suggesting Jesus' GOD and Father was not YHWH?
And finally, what name did GOD reveal for all eternity and all generations in Exodus 3?
Therefore and with that being said, I don't see any other way, but to conclude that Jesus worshipped, taught and preached YHWH.
As it is obvious that the GOD of whom Jesus came, and who's name He made known, is/was none other than YHWH.
The throne of Jehovah? If your referring to God the Father, then I can't say much about it without scripture. Unless I could find cross-references about his throne and where it could be, I can only say at least from scripture, that within Revelation Jesus will be sitting on his throne.
The most popular guess is that Jehovah's throne is within the third heaven or within heaven.
If Jesus, the man, ceased to exist at his death and was raised from the dead as Michael the Archangel, why did Michael deceive the apostles into believing that they were witnessing Jesus in a resurrected physical body (Luke 24:39)?
kilyn12 ... NAMES may change but NOT the PERSON.
Dino Tube You ignored the point.Jesus showed them he had a body.Why does the watchtower claim he deceived them?
Jesus not God (Jehovah), come willingly to please his father and mankind as Gods firstborn and begotten Son....
John 3:16 (ASV) 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth on him should not perish, but have eternal life.
Jesus lived his life on earth as a perfect individual after many trails and temptations remember (James 1:13 God can not be tempted Jesus was).(Also God could not die Jesus died)...Also remember this Acts 2:32, "God has raised this Jesus to life".
Jesus could not and did not resurrect himself......
He died for the sins committed by another perfect individual. Adam. Adam lost out on eternal life for himself and for us. Jesus sacrificed his blood as atonement for Adam's sin so that all mankind might have the opportunity to live forever once again in the restored paradise earth. If Jesus had not paid the ransom sacrifice for Adam's sin, nobody would have any hope of living again. Death would be the end for all mankind.The simple and direct answer would be found in Jesus' prayer, the night before he died.
(John 17:3) 3 This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.
Everlasting life is through that sacrifice, the relieving of the sin that Adam placed on his children. That is why Paul called Jesus the "Last Adam".
(1 Corinthians 15:45) 45 It is even so written: “The first man Adam became a living soul.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.
Mark 10:45
For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many.”
1 Timothy 2:6
who gave Himself as a ransom for all, the testimony given at the proper time.
“So How many did Christ effectively ransom from sin? He said that he came ‘to give his life as a ransom for many.’ Yet not everyone will be ransomed from the wrath of God. But the offer is for everyone.”
Team Player2057 John 10:30 on
Proof #13
The Father and the Son are one God
THE WRATH OF THE ALMIGHTY GOD IS A SINGULAR WRATH OF THE FATHER AND THE SON
Revelation 19:15
New King James Version (NKJV)
15 Now out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should strike the nations. And He Himself will rule them with a rod of iron. He Himself treads the winepress of the fierceness and🔸️wrath of Almighty God.🔸️
Revelation 6:15-17
New King James Version (NKJV)
15 And the kings of the earth, the great men, the rich men, the commanders, the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains 16 and said to the mountains and rocks, "Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the🔸️wrath of the Lamb!🔸️ 17 For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?"
Psalm 2:10-12
New King James Version
10 Now therefore, be wise, O kings;
Be instructed, you judges of the earth.
11 Serve ➡️the LORD ⬅️with fear,
And rejoice with trembling.
12 Kiss the➡️ Son,⬅️ lest He be angry,
And you perish in the way,
When🔸️His wrath🔸️is kindled but a little.
Blessed are all those who put their trust in Him.
TAKE NOTE:
➡️ SON IS YAHWEH ⬅️
maybe any j-dub can answer this because eagle can't. Why is the FDS in Matt 24:46 called a "him" if there are 8 body members?
***** Back at you, why is your Faithful slave called "he" if there are 8 of them?
you won't answer it.
***** Because you can't argue your faith with me. Disproving you is a daily delight for me. It's like shooting fish in a barrel.
preto shohmoofc guy Hey preto, why does David respond to you, but will not debate you after he accepted your challenge to debate you? By responding to you, isn't he in a round about way debating?
I think deep down inside, David does want to debate. If he didn't, he would just ignore what you or anyone else states here about JWS.
TheJpgr1958 yup. They think that if they say something in some way, they are still in the fight.
As for the 144,000 being called "he" they are also known as a group of 144,000 and known as christ Bride. Nowhere in the bible does God portray himself as being 3 members. therefore he is a He. and not 3. God is God, Jesus is Jesus and the holy spirit is Gods active force. The father AND the son AND the holy spirit. 3 separate placements. it does not say father WHO IS the son, WHO IS ALSO holy spirit - When we use the word AND it separates the previous statement from the next. causing two or more effects.
Bible truth vs JWs error filled "truth"? "Jehovah's Witnesses, in their eagerness for Jesus' second coming, *have suggested dates that turned out to be incorrect."* Awake 1993 Mar 22 page4
*Jehovah’s Witnesses have had wrong expectations about when the end would come.* Jan 1, 2013 Watchtower (Yes, expectations with false dates!)
"Does this admission of making mistakes stamp them [Jehovah's Witnesses] as false prophets? Not at all, for false prophets do not admit to making mistakes." Watchtower, Nov. 1, 1972, page 644 - in brackets added (any scriptures for this "admitting to mistakes" means they aren't false teachings, false prophecies?)
Admitting to making false prophecies doesn't magically change them, they are still Bible defined false prophecies (Deut 18:20-22) Very poor reasoning, probably why JWs "suggested dates" and went beyond and added to scripture.
"suggested dates, wrong expectations" in God's name? yes, these ARE false prophecies from the Jehovah Witness Organization.
God's channel of communications, his voice on earth, God's mouthpiece, JWs? Nope, just a false religion!
"Jehovah's Witnesses, in their eagerness for Jesus' second coming, *have suggested dates that turned out to be incorrect."* (Awake 1993 Mar 22 page4)
*Jehovah’s Witnesses have had wrong expectations about when the end would come.* (Jan 1, 2013 Watchtower)
God's channel of communications, his voice on earth, God's mouthpiece, JWs? Nope just a false religion!
THE FATHER OPERATED THRU JESUS.
Acts 2:22
22 “Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus the Naz·a·rene′ was a man publicly shown to you by God through powerful works and wonders* and signs that God did through him in your midst,+ just as you yourselves know. 23 This man, who was handed over by the determined will* and foreknowledge of God,+ you fastened to a stake by the hand of lawless men, and you did away with him.+ 24 But God resurrected him+ by releasing him from the pangs* of death, because it was not possible for him to be held fast by it.
Show me just 1 verse saying
"Father is the only God"
Show me just 1 verse saying
"Yahweh is only the Father"
Ι have a question:
I have studied the New Testament so many times and searched....and searched again... Could someone tell me where in the New Testament it is said that Jesus Christ would come invisible (????) to choose...
His people ????
***** And it is one of the foundation of their beliefs
They have always the choice to wake up. It's up to them!
***** Yes, I understand! I'm glad for you and your family. I have a cousin who wasn't so lucky.( I mean she left it alone, her parents are still JW) When she was shunned all the world she knew closed its doors to her. She stayed with me until she could stand up again.... So I understand. I think about what you say you know... we give too many facts and they "defend" themselves, but on the other hand... if someone does not tell them something... when are they going to think for themselves?
I pray for the JW because with a little exceptions, they are people that really love God. And there it is where the big deception is...
Jw didn't concern me a lot until I got involved with my cousin and saw the suffering she had to go through... : (
I don't know what to say. I'm really happy for you! Gob bless you!
To leave a so "toxicating" organization needs a lot of strenght!
***** Nice to see you back my Brother. Hope all is well with you and your loved ones.
No where my friend-its just another watch tower lies-simple as that.
Nowhere my friend!!! God Bless you GEORGE
Mark 10:17 As he was going on his way, a man ran up and fell on his knees before him and put the question to him: “Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit everlasting life?” 18 Jesus said to him: “Why do you call me good? Nobody is good except one, God.”
Jesus is very explicit and separates himself from the ONE God.
Congratulations on seeing the truth of God
so... the text implies Jesus was not good?
@@worshippers3590 Exactly! In Philosophy classes I learned about if, then statements. This verse is an if, then statement. If Jesus is good, which He is, then He is God according to this verse.
Not to mention the fact that the Bible clearly teaches that God raised Jesus from the dead in Acts 13:30, yet Jesus said in John 2:19 that He would raise Himself from the dead.
Jehovah Witnesses also teach against a bodily resurrection of Jesus which is in total contradiction to Luke Chapter 24.
@@worshippers3590 Just becasue you're deeds are good does that mean you need to be worship too?? LIFE
@@thegentlereptile9810 What is the contradiction?? Luke 24 He is not here, but has risen. Remember how he told you, while he was still in Galilee, 7 that the Son of Man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men and be crucified and on the third day rise.”
ON the 3rd day rise .The angle didnt say he risen himself....
The JW dont teach what isnt written.... Acts 2:32 says GOD raised him.. JESUS ,, The PROBLEM here is YOU can't understand GOD holy words and Satan who Transforms HIMSELF INTO AN ANGLE OF LIGHT HAS CONVIENECE YOU THE JW ARE DECEITFUL ..
WELL READ
john 4:23 Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks.
Why would JESUS say "The true worshippers are those who worship the FATHER.... THE JW are the only People who worship GOD ,,, The GOD of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob… So who was JESUS GOD... HE had to have a GOD if he was created tooo...
Team Jesus plain and simple❤ only thru him. We are saved.
Jehovah's Witnesses, happy 100th anniversary of the Creator's promise of a peaceful and secure new world before the generation that saw the events of 1914 passes away.
1914-2014 Rest in Peace.
thanks P,S,G,
***** They'll do what they're told to believe. And like it.
1914 to 2014 join the JW's as they celebrate 100 years of nothing happening
Debra Tefs Did any of the watchtowers prophecies about the end come true or did nothing happen?
Poor Debra lost following a false prophet....sad stuff
Larry Charms Hi.I believe as this World gets Worse,the Kingdom gets Closer..
Josephus ( 37 -100 AD)
Perhaps the most remarkable reference to Jesus outside the Bible can be found in the writings of Josephus, a first century Jewish historian. On two occasions, in his Jewish Antiquities, he mentions Jesus. The second, less revealing, reference describes the condemnation of one "James" by the Jewish Sanhedrin. This James, says Josephus, was "the brother of Jesus the so-called Christ."{14} F.F. Bruce points out how this agrees with Paul's description of James in Galatians 1:19 as "the Lord's brother."{15} And Edwin Yamauchi informs us that "few scholars have questioned" that Josephus actually penned this passage.{16}
As interesting as this brief reference is, there is an earlier one, which is truly astonishing. Called the "Testimonium Flavianum," the relevant portion declares:
About this time there lived Jesus, a wise man, if indeed one ought to call him a man. For he . . . wrought surprising feats. . . . He was the Christ. When Pilate . . .condemned him to be CRUCIFIED, those who had . . . come to love him did not give up their affection for him. On the third day he appeared . . . restored to life. . . . And the tribe of Christians . . . has . . . not disappeared.{17}
***** The jews even until today do not pronounce the name of God.
"WHEN READING JOHN 10:30"
John 10:28 Jesus says "I give eternal life to them. They will never perish and >>no one will snatch them out of my (JESUS) hand.
John 10:30 jesus also said he prays that we be one. Are we one human
● John 10:30 is probably the most abused verse Oneness is using to prove that Father and Son are one and the same person. This verse is often used by itself without even looking at the broader passage context. THIS IS ABOUT SON'S CLAIMING EQUALITY WITH THE FATHER.
John 10:25-30
New King James Version
25 Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in My Father’s name, they bear witness of Me. 26 But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep, as I said to you. 27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. 28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish;➡️ neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand.⬅️29 🔸️My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all;🔸️➡️ and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand.⬅️30■ I and My Father are one.” ■
THIS VERSE DOES NOT PROVE THAT FATHER AND SON ARE ONE AND THE SAME PERSON, ON THE CONTRARY; THIS VERSE ACTUALLY PROVES TRINITY, THAT FATHER AND SON ARE 2 PERSONS UNITED AS 1 BEING.
➡️ UNITY BETWEEN FATHER AND SON; WHATEVER THE FATHER DOES, THE SON ALSO DOES IN LIKE MANNER. 1 IN BEING. ⬅️
🔸️DISTINCTION IN PERSONS; FATHER IS GREATER THAN SON🔸️
■ I and my Father are UNITED ■
from 2:04:06 until 2:07:00 what a weird and silly context of john 17:3 given by Dr james white .. jesus clearly in clear ,simple and basic english said " THE ONLY TRUE GOD IS THE FATHER " what proves do you need more than that ? or maybe the trinity is stick for ever in your life.. by the way the trinity came 381 years after jesus.
[30] Then he brought them out and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” [31] And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.” [32] And they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all who were in his house. [33] And he took them the same hour of the night and washed their wounds; and he was baptized at once, he and all his family. [34] Then he brought them up into his house and set food before them. And he rejoiced along with his entire household that he had believed in God. (Acts 16:30-34 ESV)
It says to believe in Jesus to be saved.If you read the last line in that it shows exactly who Jesus really is.If the Jesus you believe in is not God then you believe in a false Jesus.Also notice they were baptized that hour of the night,no need to wait.
kilyn12 .. You mean that, according to *THE BIBLE*, a person does *NOT* have to have a *12 month indoctrination of Watchtower books* before they can be BAPTIZED??... You mean a person can accept God's salvation through *faith in Christ* and be baptized *THAT SAME DAY??*. WOW!!!... This is certainly a revelation that "JW's" need to get!.
@@VAIO294 even more important is the revelation that Jesus is God. John 8:24-25;58 teach this. Colossians 1:15-23, John 1:1-14, Hebrews 1:1-4, Philippians 2:5-11, Revelation 5, the list goes on. It takes blind eyes and deaf ears to not see and hear that the Lord Jesus Christ is God in the flesh, the second of three persons in the Holy Trinity of the one and only Triune God.
@@shane316 - Actually, no one has to believe in the Trinity doctrine to be saved. Nor is confessing _"Jesus is God"_ a salvation requirement.
@@VAIO294 Jesus Himself disagrees with you. If you do not believe Jesus is God, as revealed in John 1:1-14, Hebrews 1:1-4, Colossians 1:15-23, Etc then your faith is in an idolatrous Jesus, one who does not exist because you made Him up in your own mind.
1 John 2:22 says the antichrist is the one who denies Christ is Messiah who came in the flesh. The Messiah, as described in Matthew 1, is named Emmanuel, or God with us. The Bible is clear that Jesus is God, Jesus Himself claimed to be God (John 8:58, for example, where Jesus said ego eimi, or I am, a reference to how Jehova identified Himself in the OT prophets, Deuteronomy, Isaiah, etc.). Once again, in verse 24 below of John 8, Jesus said you'll die in your sins unless you believe He is ego eimi, in the Greek, or the I Am, Jehova.
“23 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. 24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. 25 Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning.” John 8:23-25
@@shane316- *(Part 1)* - YOU are disagreeing with me, Jesus is not. --- Many *saved* people simply confessed Jesus as being _“Lord“,_ or _“The Messiah",_ or _"The Christ",_ or _"The Savior sent by God,"_ or _“The SON of the Living God”,_ as we see in these verses (Matthew 14:33, John 1:34, John 1:49, John 11:27, Acts 9:20.)
2 Cor. 5:17 Therefore if *anyone* is in Christ, >>he is a new creature
Jesse Sanchez [6] And I am sure of this, that he who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ. (Philippians 1:6 ESV)
*TO “JW’s”* … The difference between us Christians and you “JW’s” is *not* really the *“Trinity”* doctrine.... The difference is that, as Christians, *WE HAVE THE BIBLE* ,, and you “JW’s" have *Watchtower Publications* … As Christians, the Bible tells us that our salvation is through *JESUS CHRIST* .. So, we are going to keep standing on *THE BIBLE* and keep looking to *JESUS CHRIST*, trusting in what He has done for us as being our salvation.. We‘re *not* looking to ANY “organization” for our Salvation.
But as “JW’s”, your magazines from the guys in New York are telling you that your salvation is through their *”Organization”* … Even though the BIBLE points you to *JESUS CHRIST Himself*, not to an “organization" for salvation, as “JW‘s” you continue to have faith in Watchtower publications and look to an *“organization”* that can *not* save you.
So, that’s the real difference between us Christians and you “JW’s”… Christians accept and trust in **JESUS CHRIST** as our Savior, while you as a “JW” *reject* JESUS by believing salvation comes through the Watchtower “organization”.
I do pray that even more of you will come out from under the Watchtower false-fear and *COME TO JESUS CHRIST* so that you can be saved while *“The Door”* is still open.
>>> *John **6:45* ~ "Everyone who hears what The Father says and learns from Him, **COMES TO ME, JESUS**."
>>> *John 10:9* ~ “**I, JESUS**, am **THE DOOR**.. Whoever enters by **ME, JESUS**, will be saved.”
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And all Gods People say......
Amen
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AMEN !
VAlO294 This is so simple and none of them will even consider that their organization is a false prophet.They are scared to think its even possible even when they see proof.
Yes Amen . and once they realize they need Jesus and accept Him only then will the scales fall from their eyes !
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kilyn12... You're exactly right!.. Their continuous diet of Watchtower *fear*, including fear of being "shunned", makes most of them not even look at the proof that the WT guys in New York are simply lying to them and mis-directing their faith away from *CHRIST* to faith in an "organization".
Jo Ashley... Amen!.. Right now, when "JW's" hear that they need to "accept Jesus", their mind says *"Watchtower organization"*... So, they'll have to understand that "accepting Jesus" means just that, *accepting* **JESUS**, not the "organization" of those guys in New York.
When you refuse to accept that man has a FINITE intellect, you invent the Watchtower.
John 11:23-26 👑
"Jesus said to her, “Your brother will rise again.” Martha said to Him, “I know that he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day.” Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live. And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?”
She said to Him, “Yes, Lord, I believe that You are the Christ, the Son of God, who is to come into the world.”
Kkkkkkkj
@@johnbedell2376 is all the watchtower is , is a study guide. Everything the watchtower talks about takes you to scripture.
Useless words you have presented.
@eve3363
Show me just 1 verse saying
"Father is the only God"
John 5:26 Proves God is higher than Jesus.:
For as the Father has life in Himself, so he has granted the Son to have life in himself.
Jesus received his life from God. God received his life from no one. He is eternally self-existent.
So there are multiple gods? Yahweh is the most powerful and Jesus is 2nd? Good to know!
Where was the Father When Jesus was on earth
Acts 20:28
"Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood."
When did God the Father shed his blood to redeem us ?
Elpida Tanevramou greetings !
Sadly they translate it as :
“ He bought by the blood of His own” meaning His own Son. But the real meaning like you said “ His own blood”
We nead to know the Difference,between,Symbolic Speech and what is Figurative Speech.:)
14:19 " jesus refused and said we have to proskuneó to God alone .. if this statement is not clear to refute the divinity of jesus i dont know wich statement will be .
What is the fruitage of the spirit of God? Do you walk in the spirit of God? Are you one with the Father?
Matthew 6:43, “For no fine tree produces rotten fruit, and no rotten tree produces fine fruit. 44 For each tree is known by its own fruit. For example, people do not gather figs from thorns, nor do they cut grapes off a thornbush. 45 A good man brings good out of the good treasure of his heart, but a wicked man brings what is wicked out of his wicked treasure; for out of the heart’s abundance his mouth speaks.
Galatians 5:22 On the other hand, the fruitage of the spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faith, 23 mildness, self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24 Moreover, those who belong to Christ Jesus have nailed to the stake the flesh together with its passions and desires.
Remember.
1 Peter 3:15, But sanctify the Christ as Lord in your hearts, always ready to make a defense before everyone who demands of you a reason for the hope you have, but doing so with a mild temper and deep respect.
Matthew 5:43, “You heard that it was said: ‘You must love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 However, I say to you: Continue to love your enemies and to pray for those who persecute you, 45 so that you may prove yourselves sons of your Father who is in the heavens, since he makes his sun rise on both the wicked and the good and makes it rain on both the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 For if you love those loving you, what reward do you have? Are not also the tax collectors doing the same thing? 47 And if you greet our brothers only, what extraordinary thing are you doing? Are not also the people of the nations doing the same thing? 48 You must accordingly be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
I absolutely Agree.....
I truly agree, and you should take these verses to the church of christedom, because they have so much bloodguilt on their hand from throughout history.:)
linda hartle I've been wanting to say this to you for a while now....I really respect your extreme Patience and endurance under such circumstances in you dealings with this type of people...Are you looking forward to the international convention in Melbourne this year? 70.000 in attendance..
***** You didn't answer the question at all...Are you disagreeing with your discreet and slaves? (SMILES)....John 1:1 (NWT Greek) it reads NWT: και ο Λόγος ήταν θεός ( and the Word was god) Would you disagree with your discreet and slaves???
Why is the modern greek version of the NWT in John 1:1 exactly the same with the original text? Meaning THERE IS NO INDEFINITE ARTICLE and the NWT in the greek version sais " and the Word was god"???
Also, Why didn't your org add the indefinite article (Word was god) in their Greek NWT Bible???
Also, Why did they leave out the indefinite article (Word was god) in their Greek NWT Bible???
It has been over a month that you have been running away from this question....I love how you little demonic minions run away from your own discreet and slaves.
***** Yes sir...If the jdubs were to study the 1969 Kingdom Interlinear Bible they would know that they have a corrupted Bible (NWT). I have their 1969 Kingdom Interlinear Bible as well.
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*See if any of my Jehovah's Witness friends can spot where in the following scripture Jesus calls himself God (Luke **17:11**-19):* "On the way to Jerusalem Jesus was going through the region between Samaria and Galilee. 12 As he entered a village, ten lepers approached him. Keeping their distance, 13 they called out, saying, “Jesus, Master, have mercy on us!” 14 When he saw them, he said to them, “Go and show yourselves to the priests.” And as they went, they were made clean. 15 Then one of them, when he saw that he was healed, turned back, praising God with a loud voice. 16 He prostrated himself at Jesus’ feet and thanked him. And he was a Samaritan. 17 Then Jesus asked, “Were not ten made clean? But the other nine, where are they? 18 *Was none of them found to return and give praise to God except this foreigner?”* 19 Then he said to him, “Get up and go on your way; your faith has made you well.”
from those scriptures show that he is God but the arienists arrogantly fail to see Jesus is God , they have been misled to say to you ''because he is a ''god' , and God, ''JEHOVAH'', (as in kjv) was with him and only works through him, ( removing the true meaning of John 1:1) , therefore meaning he is demoted to a being in time and had a place on earth who was just a dot or a piece of dust, they don't know likewise, who knows what Peter was talking about' .. they still fail on John 2:19
Jesus Himself said it - the Son can do nothing of His own self - only that which His own God and Father commands Him to do.
With that being said, here are some examples of what declarations of God's identity look like;
𝚃𝚑𝚞𝚜 𝚜𝚊𝚢𝚜 𝚈𝚊𝚑𝚠𝚎𝚑, 𝚢𝚘𝚞𝚛 𝚁𝚎𝚍𝚎𝚎𝚖𝚎𝚛, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚑𝚎 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝚏𝚘𝚛𝚖𝚎𝚍 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚏𝚛𝚘𝚖 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚠𝚘𝚖𝚋: "𝐈 𝐚𝐦 𝐘𝐚𝐡𝐰𝐞𝐡, 𝐰𝐡𝐨 𝐦𝐚𝐤𝐞𝐬 𝐚𝐥𝐥 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐠𝐬; 𝐰𝐡𝐨 𝐚𝐥𝐨𝐧𝐞 𝐬𝐭𝐫𝐞𝐭𝐜𝐡𝐞𝐬 𝐨𝐮𝐭 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐡𝐞𝐚𝐯𝐞𝐧𝐬; 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝚜𝚙𝚛𝚎𝚊𝚍𝚜 𝚘𝚞𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚎𝚊𝚛𝚝𝚑 𝚋𝚢 𝚖𝚢𝚜𝚎𝚕𝚏; 𝙸𝚜𝚊𝚒𝚊𝚑 𝟺𝟺.𝟸𝟺
𝙵𝚘𝚛 𝚝𝚑𝚞𝚜 𝚜𝚊𝚢𝚜 𝚈𝚊𝚑𝚠𝚎𝚑 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝚌𝚛𝚎𝚊𝚝𝚎𝚍 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚑𝚎𝚊𝚟𝚎𝚗𝚜, 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝙶𝚘𝚍 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝚏𝚘𝚛𝚖𝚎𝚍 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚎𝚊𝚛𝚝𝚑 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚖𝚊𝚍𝚎 𝚒𝚝, 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝚎𝚜𝚝𝚊𝚋𝚕𝚒𝚜𝚑𝚎𝚍 𝚒𝚝 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚍𝚒𝚍𝚗'𝚝 𝚌𝚛𝚎𝚊𝚝𝚎 𝚒𝚝 𝚊 𝚠𝚊𝚜𝚝𝚎, 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝚏𝚘𝚛𝚖𝚎𝚍 𝚒𝚝 𝚝𝚘 𝚋𝚎 𝚒𝚗𝚑𝚊𝚋𝚒𝚝𝚎𝚍: "𝐈 𝐚𝐦 𝐘𝐚𝐡𝐰𝐞𝐡; 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫𝐞 𝐢𝐬 𝐧𝐨 𝐨𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫. - 𝙸𝚜𝚊𝚒𝚊𝚑 𝟺𝟻.𝟷𝟾
𝚆𝚑𝚎𝚗 𝙰𝚋𝚛𝚊𝚖 𝚠𝚊𝚜 𝚗𝚒𝚗𝚎𝚝𝚢-𝚗𝚒𝚗𝚎 𝚢𝚎𝚊𝚛𝚜 𝚘𝚕𝚍, 𝚈𝚊𝚑𝚠𝚎𝚑 𝚊𝚙𝚙𝚎𝚊𝚛𝚎𝚍 𝚝𝚘 𝙰𝚋𝚛𝚊𝚖, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚜𝚊𝚒𝚍 𝚝𝚘 𝚑𝚒𝚖, "𝐈 𝐚𝐦 𝐆𝐨𝐝 𝐀𝐥𝐦𝐢𝐠𝐡𝐭𝐲. 𝚆𝚊𝚕𝚔 𝚋𝚎𝚏𝚘𝚛𝚎 𝚖𝚎, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚋𝚎 𝚋𝚕𝚊𝚖𝚎𝚕𝚎𝚜𝚜. - 𝙶𝚎𝚗𝚎𝚜𝚒𝚜 𝟷𝟽.𝟷
𝙶𝚘𝚍 𝚜𝚊𝚒𝚍 𝚝𝚘 𝚑𝚒𝚖, "𝐈 𝐚𝐦 𝐆𝐨𝐝 𝐀𝐥𝐦𝐢𝐠𝐡𝐭𝐲. 𝙱𝚎 𝚏𝚛𝚞𝚒𝚝𝚏𝚞𝚕 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚖𝚞𝚕𝚝𝚒𝚙𝚕𝚢. 𝙰 𝚗𝚊𝚝𝚒𝚘𝚗 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚊 𝚌𝚘𝚖𝚙𝚊𝚗𝚢 𝚘𝚏 𝚗𝚊𝚝𝚒𝚘𝚗𝚜 𝚠𝚒𝚕𝚕 𝚋𝚎 𝚏𝚛𝚘𝚖 𝚢𝚘𝚞, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚔𝚒𝚗𝚐𝚜 𝚠𝚒𝚕𝚕 𝚌𝚘𝚖𝚎 𝚘𝚞𝚝 𝚘𝚏 𝚢𝚘𝚞𝚛 𝚋𝚘𝚍𝚢. - 𝙶𝚎𝚗𝚎𝚜𝚒𝚜 𝟹𝟻.𝟷𝟷
𝟸𝙶𝚘𝚍 𝚜𝚙𝚘𝚔𝚎 𝚝𝚘 𝙼𝚘𝚜𝚎𝚜, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚜𝚊𝚒𝚍 𝚝𝚘 𝚑𝚒𝚖, "𝐈 𝐚𝐦 𝐘𝐚𝐡𝐰𝐞𝐡; 𝟹𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝙸 𝚊𝚙𝚙𝚎𝚊𝚛𝚎𝚍 𝚝𝚘 𝙰𝚋𝚛𝚊𝚑𝚊𝚖, 𝚝𝚘 𝙸𝚜𝚊𝚊𝚌, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚝𝚘 𝙹𝚊𝚌𝚘𝚋, 𝚊𝚜 𝙶𝚘𝚍 𝙰𝚕𝚖𝚒𝚐𝚑𝚝𝚢; 𝚋𝚞𝚝 𝚋𝚢 𝚖𝚢 𝚗𝚊𝚖𝚎 𝚈𝚊𝚑𝚠𝚎𝚑 𝙸 𝚠𝚊𝚜 𝚗𝚘𝚝 𝚔𝚗𝚘𝚠𝚗 𝚝𝚘 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚖 - 𝙴𝚡𝚘𝚍𝚞𝚜 𝟼.𝟸-𝟹
𝙵𝚘𝚛 𝐈 𝐚𝐦 𝐘𝐚𝐡𝐰𝐞𝐡 𝐲𝐨𝐮𝐫 𝐆𝐨𝐝. 𝚂𝚊𝚗𝚌𝚝𝚒𝚏𝚢 𝚢𝚘𝚞𝚛𝚜𝚎𝚕𝚟𝚎𝚜 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚛𝚎𝚏𝚘𝚛𝚎, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚋𝚎 𝚑𝚘𝚕𝚢; 𝚏𝚘𝚛 𝙸 𝚊𝚖 𝚑𝚘𝚕𝚢: 𝚗𝚎𝚒𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚛 𝚜𝚑𝚊𝚕𝚕 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚍𝚎𝚏𝚒𝚕𝚎 𝚢𝚘𝚞𝚛𝚜𝚎𝚕𝚟𝚎𝚜 𝚠𝚒𝚝𝚑 𝚊𝚗𝚢 𝚔𝚒𝚗𝚍 𝚘𝚏 𝚌𝚛𝚎𝚎𝚙𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝚝𝚑𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚖𝚘𝚟𝚎𝚜 𝚘𝚗 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚎𝚊𝚛𝚝𝚑. - 𝙻𝚎𝚟𝚒𝚝𝚒𝚌𝚞𝚜 𝟷𝟷.𝟺𝟺
Needless to say, and if you look closely, you will find that there are no such declarations used by Jesus written anywhere in the Bible - in contrast with Jesus' own God and Father{YHWH), who set the precedent, and leaving no room for questions on His authority as the one true God above all things.
Which now leads to the question of why so many people are trying to make Jesus into something He is not?
And as it turns out, the great majority of these people, do not want the truth as it was written, and so they seek an alternate doctrines over that of the Bibles.
@@SmalltimR *Just out of curiosity, have you ever read the instances in the NT? I'll provide you with just a few examples for your future reference.*
*When it's obvious you are God, you don't need to declare it. People will see it with their own eyes and acknowledge it. But just so you understand. Jesus said he could do nothing outside of what the Father told him to do. Yes, you are correct. But do you know why?*
*Because the Father and Jesus are ONE in essence and nature. God can only beget God. Jesus said the Father was literally DWELLING in HIM in John **14:10**. But that's not all. Thomas declared Jesus to be HIS Lord and God in John **20:28**. Jesus did not correct him but instead congratulated him for recognizing something that was obvious i.e. Jesus was God.*
*Why did the Pharisees want to stone Jesus every time he declared himself THE Son of God? Because he was declaring himself to be God as THE Son of God? (see John **10:32**, 33) Because again he was stating the obvious i.e He was God.*
*Even Jesus said to those that did not believe he WAS GOD to at least believe because of the works he was doing. (see John **10:38**; **14:11**)*
*If you can address these scriptures I'll be happy to continue the conversation. I'll leave you with a specific scripture where Jesus indeed called himself God. And one more thing to remember. Only God will ever accept worship. Notice what Luke **17:11**-19 and see if you can spot where Jesus clearly identifies himself as God:*
*On the way to Jerusalem Jesus was going through the region between Samaria and Galilee. 12 As he entered a village, ten lepers approached him. Keeping their distance, 13 they called out, saying, “Jesus, Master, have mercy on us!” 14 When he saw them, he said to them, “Go and show yourselves to the priests.” And as they went, they were made clean. 15 Then one of them, when he saw that he was healed, turned back, praising God with a loud voice. 16 He prostrated himself at Jesus’ feet and thanked him. And he was a Samaritan. 17 Then Jesus asked, “Were not ten made clean? But the other nine, where are they? 18 Was none of them found to return and give praise to God except this foreigner?” 19 Then he said to him, “Get up and go on your way; your faith has made you well.”*
*May God bless your effort to find the truth.*
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*RE:* When it's obvious you are God, you don't need to declare it
*A.* YHWH's declarations regarding His identity are always absolute and without question - with that said, Jesus never once identified Himself using similar language as His own God and Father
*RE:* Because the Father and Jesus are ONE in essence and nature
*A.* The Bible says the Father and Jesus are one - whereas the words; "in essence and nature" are nowhere written in the Bible
As for Jesus' oneness with God, this is expanded upon in John 17
𝟸0𝙽𝚘𝚝 𝚏𝚘𝚛 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚜𝚎 𝚘𝚗𝚕𝚢 𝚍𝚘 𝙸 𝚙𝚛𝚊𝚢, 𝚋𝚞𝚝 𝚏𝚘𝚛 𝚝𝚑𝚘𝚜𝚎 𝚊𝚕𝚜𝚘 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝚋𝚎𝚕𝚒𝚎𝚟𝚎 𝚒𝚗 𝚖𝚎 𝚝𝚑𝚛𝚘𝚞𝚐𝚑 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚒𝚛 𝚠𝚘𝚛𝚍, 𝟸𝟷𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚢 𝚖𝚊𝚢 𝚊𝚕𝚕 𝚋𝚎 𝚘𝚗𝚎; 𝚎𝚟𝚎𝚗 𝚊𝚜 𝚢𝚘𝚞, 𝙵𝚊𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚛, 𝚊𝚛𝚎 𝚒𝚗 𝚖𝚎, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝙸 𝚒𝚗 𝚢𝚘𝚞, 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚢 𝚊𝚕𝚜𝚘 𝚖𝚊𝚢 𝚋𝚎 𝚘𝚗𝚎 𝚒𝚗 𝚞𝚜; 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚠𝚘𝚛𝚕𝚍 𝚖𝚊𝚢 𝚋𝚎𝚕𝚒𝚎𝚟𝚎 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚜𝚎𝚗𝚝 𝚖𝚎.
𝟸𝟸𝚃𝚑𝚎 𝚐𝚕𝚘𝚛𝚢 𝚠𝚑𝚒𝚌𝚑 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚑𝚊𝚟𝚎 𝚐𝚒𝚟𝚎𝚗 𝚖𝚎, 𝙸 𝚑𝚊𝚟𝚎 𝚐𝚒𝚟𝚎𝚗 𝚝𝚘 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚖; 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚢 𝚖𝚊𝚢 𝚋𝚎 𝚘𝚗𝚎, 𝚎𝚟𝚎𝚗 𝚊𝚜 𝚠𝚎 𝚊𝚛𝚎 𝚘𝚗𝚎; 𝟸𝟹𝙸 𝚒𝚗 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚖, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚒𝚗 𝚖𝚎, 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚢 𝚖𝚊𝚢 𝚋𝚎 𝚙𝚎𝚛𝚏𝚎𝚌𝚝𝚎𝚍 𝚒𝚗𝚝𝚘 𝚘𝚗𝚎; 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚠𝚘𝚛𝚕𝚍 𝚖𝚊𝚢 𝚔𝚗𝚘𝚠 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚜𝚎𝚗𝚝 𝚖𝚎, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚕𝚘𝚟𝚎𝚍 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚖, 𝚎𝚟𝚎𝚗 𝚊𝚜 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚕𝚘𝚟𝚎𝚍 𝚖𝚎. 𝟸𝟺𝙵𝚊𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚛, 𝙸 𝚍𝚎𝚜𝚒𝚛𝚎 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚢 𝚊𝚕𝚜𝚘 𝚠𝚑𝚘𝚖 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚑𝚊𝚟𝚎 𝚐𝚒𝚟𝚎𝚗 𝚖𝚎 𝚋𝚎 𝚠𝚒𝚝𝚑 𝚖𝚎 𝚠𝚑𝚎𝚛𝚎 𝙸 𝚊𝚖, 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚢 𝚖𝚊𝚢 𝚜𝚎𝚎 𝚖𝚢 𝚐𝚕𝚘𝚛𝚢, 𝚠𝚑𝚒𝚌𝚑 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚑𝚊𝚟𝚎 𝚐𝚒𝚟𝚎𝚗 𝚖𝚎, 𝚏𝚘𝚛 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚕𝚘𝚟𝚎𝚍 𝚖𝚎 𝚋𝚎𝚏𝚘𝚛𝚎 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚏𝚘𝚞𝚗𝚍𝚊𝚝𝚒𝚘𝚗 𝚘𝚏 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚠𝚘𝚛𝚕𝚍.
𝟸𝟻𝚁𝚒𝚐𝚑𝚝𝚎𝚘𝚞𝚜 𝙵𝚊𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚛, 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚠𝚘𝚛𝚕𝚍 𝚑𝚊𝚜𝚗'𝚝 𝚔𝚗𝚘𝚠𝚗 𝚢𝚘𝚞, 𝚋𝚞𝚝 𝙸 𝚔𝚗𝚎𝚠 𝚢𝚘𝚞; 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚜𝚎 𝚔𝚗𝚎𝚠 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚜𝚎𝚗𝚝 𝚖𝚎. 𝟸𝟼𝙸 𝚖𝚊𝚍𝚎 𝚔𝚗𝚘𝚠𝚗 𝚝𝚘 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚖 𝚢𝚘𝚞𝚛 𝚗𝚊𝚖𝚎, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚠𝚒𝚕𝚕 𝚖𝚊𝚔𝚎 𝚒𝚝 𝚔𝚗𝚘𝚠𝚗; 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚕𝚘𝚟𝚎 𝚠𝚒𝚝𝚑 𝚠𝚑𝚒𝚌𝚑 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚕𝚘𝚟𝚎𝚍 𝚖𝚎 𝚖𝚊𝚢 𝚋𝚎 𝚒𝚗 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚖, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝙸 𝚒𝚗 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚖." - 𝙹𝚘𝚑𝚗 𝟷𝟽.𝟸0-𝟸𝟼
*RE:* God can only beget God
*A.* YHWH is not begotten of anything or anyone
*RE:* Thomas declared Jesus to be HIS Lord and God in John 20:28
*A.* Thomas declared His faith by means of Jesus Christ's death and resurrection;
𝙹𝚎𝚜𝚞𝚜 𝚜𝚊𝚒𝚍 𝚝𝚘 𝚑𝚒𝚖, "𝙱𝚎𝚌𝚊𝚞𝚜𝚎 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚑𝚊𝚟𝚎 𝚜𝚎𝚎𝚗 𝚖𝚎, 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚑𝚊𝚟𝚎 𝚋𝚎𝚕𝚒𝚎𝚟𝚎𝚍. 𝙱𝚕𝚎𝚜𝚜𝚎𝚍 𝚊𝚛𝚎 𝚝𝚑𝚘𝚜𝚎 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝚑𝚊𝚟𝚎 𝚗𝚘𝚝 𝚜𝚎𝚎𝚗, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚑𝚊𝚟𝚎 𝚋𝚎𝚕𝚒𝚎𝚟𝚎𝚍." - 𝙹𝚘𝚑𝚗 𝟸0.𝟸𝟿
𝟷"𝙳𝚘𝚗'𝚝 𝚕𝚎𝚝 𝚢𝚘𝚞𝚛 𝚑𝚎𝚊𝚛𝚝 𝚋𝚎 𝚝𝚛𝚘𝚞𝚋𝚕𝚎𝚍. 𝙱𝚎𝚕𝚒𝚎𝚟𝚎 𝚒𝚗 𝙶𝚘𝚍. 𝙱𝚎𝚕𝚒𝚎𝚟𝚎 𝚊𝚕𝚜𝚘 𝚒𝚗 𝚖𝚎. - 𝙹𝚘𝚑𝚗 𝟷𝟺.𝟷
𝟹𝙱𝚕𝚎𝚜𝚜𝚎𝚍 𝚋𝚎 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝙶𝚘𝚍 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝙵𝚊𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚛 𝚘𝚏 𝚘𝚞𝚛 𝙻𝚘𝚛𝚍 𝙹𝚎𝚜𝚞𝚜 𝙲𝚑𝚛𝚒𝚜𝚝, 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝚊𝚌𝚌𝚘𝚛𝚍𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝚝𝚘 𝚑𝚒𝚜 𝚐𝚛𝚎𝚊𝚝 𝚖𝚎𝚛𝚌𝚢 𝚋𝚎𝚌𝚊𝚖𝚎 𝚘𝚞𝚛 𝚏𝚊𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚛 𝚊𝚐𝚊𝚒𝚗 𝚝𝚘 𝚊 𝚕𝚒𝚟𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝚑𝚘𝚙𝚎 𝚝𝚑𝚛𝚘𝚞𝚐𝚑 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚛𝚎𝚜𝚞𝚛𝚛𝚎𝚌𝚝𝚒𝚘𝚗 𝚘𝚏 𝙹𝚎𝚜𝚞𝚜 𝙲𝚑𝚛𝚒𝚜𝚝 𝚏𝚛𝚘𝚖 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚍𝚎𝚊𝚍 - 𝟷 𝙿𝚎𝚝𝚎𝚛 𝟷.𝟹
The words _"my Lord"_ referred to Jesus Christ, whereas _"my God",_ referred to the God who sent Him.
The problem here, is that people seek to overlook the standing arrangement between Jesus and His God in an effort to make Him into something He is not.
𝙹𝚘𝚑𝚗 𝟷𝟸:𝟺𝟺 𝙷𝚎 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝚋𝚎𝚕𝚒𝚎𝚟𝚎𝚜 𝚒𝚗 𝚖𝚎, 𝚋𝚎𝚕𝚒𝚎𝚟𝚎𝚜 𝚒𝚗 𝐇𝐢𝐦 𝐰𝐡𝐨 𝐬𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐦𝐞
𝙹𝚘𝚑𝚗 𝟷𝟸:𝟺𝟻 𝙷𝚎 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝚜𝚎𝚎𝚜 𝚖𝚎, 𝚜𝚎𝚎𝚜 𝐇𝐢𝐦 𝐰𝐡𝐨 𝐬𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐦𝐞
𝙹𝚘𝚑𝚗 𝟷𝟺:𝟿 𝙷𝚎 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝚑𝚊𝚜 𝚜𝚎𝚎𝚗 𝚖𝚎, 𝐡𝐚𝐬 𝐬𝐞𝐞𝐧 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐅𝐚𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫
𝙹𝚘𝚑𝚗 𝟸0:𝟸𝟾 𝙼𝚢 𝙻𝚘𝚛𝚍 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝐌𝐲 𝐆𝐨𝐝
The Bible tells us that while no one has ever seen God, that it was Jesus who revealed Him to humanity;
𝙽𝚘 𝚘𝚗𝚎 𝚑𝚊𝚜 𝚜𝚎𝚎𝚗 𝙶𝚘𝚍 𝚊𝚝 𝚊𝚗𝚢 𝚝𝚒𝚖𝚎. 𝚃𝚑𝚎 𝚘𝚗𝚎 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚘𝚗𝚕𝚢 𝚂𝚘𝚗, 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝚒𝚜 𝚒𝚗 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚋𝚘𝚜𝚘𝚖 𝚘𝚏 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝙵𝚊𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚛, 𝚑𝚎 𝚑𝚊𝚜 𝚍𝚎𝚌𝚕𝚊𝚛𝚎𝚍 𝚑𝚒𝚖. - 𝙹𝚘𝚑𝚗 𝟷.𝟷𝟾
Therefore, Thomas' confessed what the Gospel of John is about;
𝚆𝚒𝚝𝚑𝚘𝚞𝚝 𝚌𝚘𝚗𝚝𝚛𝚘𝚟𝚎𝚛𝚜𝚢, 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚖𝚢𝚜𝚝𝚎𝚛𝚢 𝚘𝚏 𝚐𝚘𝚍𝚕𝚒𝚗𝚎𝚜𝚜 𝚒𝚜 𝚐𝚛𝚎𝚊𝚝: 𝙶𝚘𝚍 𝚠𝚊𝚜 𝚛𝚎𝚟𝚎𝚊𝚕𝚎𝚍 𝚒𝚗 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚏𝚕𝚎𝚜𝚑, 𝚓𝚞𝚜𝚝𝚒𝚏𝚒𝚎𝚍 𝚒𝚗 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚜𝚙𝚒𝚛𝚒𝚝, 𝚜𝚎𝚎𝚗 𝚋𝚢 𝚊𝚗𝚐𝚎𝚕𝚜, 𝚙𝚛𝚎𝚊𝚌𝚑𝚎𝚍 𝚊𝚖𝚘𝚗𝚐 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚗𝚊𝚝𝚒𝚘𝚗𝚜, 𝚋𝚎𝚕𝚒𝚎𝚟𝚎𝚍 𝚘𝚗 𝚒𝚗 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚠𝚘𝚛𝚕𝚍, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚛𝚎𝚌𝚎𝚒𝚟𝚎𝚍 𝚞𝚙 𝚒𝚗 𝚐𝚕𝚘𝚛𝚢. - 𝟷 𝚃𝚒𝚖 𝟹.𝟷𝟼
𝚢𝚎𝚝 𝚝𝚘 𝚞𝚜 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚛𝚎 𝚒𝚜 𝐨𝐧𝐞 𝐆𝐨𝐝, 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐅𝐚𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫, 𝚘𝚏 𝚠𝚑𝚘𝚖 𝚊𝚛𝚎 𝚊𝚕𝚕 𝚝𝚑𝚒𝚗𝚐𝚜, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚠𝚎 𝚏𝚘𝚛 𝚑𝚒𝚖; 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝐨𝐧𝐞 𝐋𝐨𝐫𝐝, 𝐉𝐞𝐬𝐮𝐬 𝐂𝐡𝐫𝐢𝐬𝐭, 𝚝𝚑𝚛𝚘𝚞𝚐𝚑 𝚠𝚑𝚘𝚖 𝚊𝚛𝚎 𝚊𝚕𝚕 𝚝𝚑𝚒𝚗𝚐𝚜, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚠𝚎 𝚕𝚒𝚟𝚎 𝚝𝚑𝚛𝚘𝚞𝚐𝚑 𝚑𝚒𝚖. - 𝟷 𝙲𝚘𝚛 𝟾:𝟼
_My Lord (Jesus Christ), and My God(the Father)..._
*RE:* Why did the Pharisees want to stone Jesus every time he declared himself THE Son of God?
*A.* Because they believed He was lying - as is recorded in scripture
*RE:* Even Jesus said to those that did not believe he WAS GOD...
*A.* There are no such words written in the Bible however
With that said, here are a few points for your consideration;
1. No one has ever seen God's face - can we say the same of Jesus on earth or in heaven?
2. God is above all things, serves no higher power, has not God - can we say the same of Jesus on earth and in heaven?
3. God declared Himself as doing "all things alone and by Himself" - can we say the same of Jesus on earth and in heaven?
4. There is only God above all, through all and in us all and that is the Father - can we say the same of Jesus on earth and in heaven?
5. Jesus called His God and Father the only true God - can we say the same of Jesus on earth and in heaven?
6. Jesus identified His own God and Father as our God and Father - can we say the same of Jesus on earth and in heaven?
7. There is only one God on the throne given the glory, honor and blessing for all things in existence - can we say the same of Jesus on earth and in heaven?
8. Jesus' God and Father is the only; Almighty God, God of Gods, Most High God, only true God, Supreme God - can we say the same of Jesus on earth and in heaven?
In contrast with;
9. Jesus who has a God above Him on earth and in heaven
10. Jesus who can do nothing of Himself
11. Jesus who is given all things by a higher power; title, position, authority, power, etc
12. Jesus who does as His God and Father commands Him to do
13. Jesus who is the way to God
14. Jesus who belongs to God
15. Jesus who carries-out God's will
Needless to say, when Jesus taught us to worship His own God and Father alone, He was not holding back on the truth revealed to humanity.
And if we follow in Jesus' own footsteps, we will do right by God and His Son Christ Jesus by adhering to His teachings and commandments.
@@SmalltimR *With all due respect, your response to my assertions are false based on the rest of scripture. My comment stands on its own merits. Nothing more to add or correct. I encourage you to study how to do proper bible exegesis. I'll leave you with one of your replies that really made me think if you were sane or not:*
*RE:* Why did the Pharisees want to stone Jesus every time he declared himself THE Son of God?
*A.* Because they believed He was lying - as is recorded in scripture
*No, Jesus was telling the truth that he was indeed God the Son or Son of God.*
Usually, the more away from Bible Truth a denomination or an organization is... the more they tell their members that they are unable to understand the Bible by themselves... They need the "organization" to "explain" the Bible to them... with "Bible aids"... etc...
WRONG! THE BIBLE IS GOD'S WORDS SENT TO US IN ORDER TO KNOW HIM.
They insult God himself with this statement. As if God was incapable to be clear in HIS OWN WORDS!
1 John 2:26,27
"26 I write these things to you about those who are trying to deceive you. 27 But the anointing that you received from him abides in you, and you have no need that anyone should teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about everything, and is true, and is no lie-just as it has taught you, abide in him."
Matthew 23:10
" Nor are you to be called 'Teachers,' because you have only one teacher, the Messiah!"
AMEN!!!!!
Shadegat3 John 1:1 (NWT Greek) it reads NWT: και ο Λόγος ήταν θεός ( and the Word was god) Would you disagree with your discreet and slaves???
Why is the modern greek version of the NWT in John 1:1 exactly the same with the original text? Meaning THERE IS NO INDEFINITE ARTICLE and the NWT in the greek version sais " and the Word was god"???
Also, Why didn't your org add the indefinite article (Word was god) in their Greek NWT Bible???
Also, Why did they leave out the indefinite article (Word was god) in their Greek NWT Bible???
Jesse Sanchez Are the Greek jdubs at odds with the jdubs in the United States?
kilyn12 I will have to say yes according to their own NWT Greek Version. Top it off, makes you wonder why they left out the indefinite article in their NWT Greek Version.... What were they trying to hide? Better yet, I believe they were scared to add the indefinite article. Imagine if they did???
Jesse Sanchez They would turn a blind eye to it like they do here when presented proof that the watchtower alters things.
kilyn12 They are taught to lie at all cost....Insight Volume 2 (1988) page 244-245
While malicious lying is definitely condemned in the Bible, this does not mean that a person is under obligation to divulge truthful information to people who are not entitled to it.
kilyn12 They are taught to lie again.......Watchtower 6-1-1960 pages 352
There is one exception, however, that the Christian must ever bear in mind. As a soldier of Christ he is in theocratic warfare and he must exercise added caution when dealing with God’s foes. Thus the Scriptures show that for the purpose of protecting the interests of God’s cause, it is proper to hide the truth from God’s enemies.
Crucifixion was probably the most horrible form of capital punishment ever devised by man. It was designed to be a lingering death.
The victim, as a rule, was first subjected to flagellation, that is, a beating with a three-thong whip (fashioned of plaited leather, and studded with bone and metal designed in that way so that the flogging with it, tore the flesh and entered deep in the body of the victim...). He was stripped naked and then secured with leather ties. Roman executioners had perfected the art of slow torture while keeping the victim alive. Some victims even lingered until they were eaten alive by birds of prey or wild beasts. Most hung on the cross for days before dying.
When the legs would no longer support the weight of the body, the diaphragm was constricted in a way that made breathing impossible!!!
That is why breaking the legs would hasten death (John 19:31-33), but this was unnecessary in Jesus’ case because He, not the Romans, chose the moment of His death (John 19:30).
Why was Jesus given vinegar mixed with gall?
To dull the pain. A cup of vinegar mixed with gall and myrrh was sometimes given, for the purpose of deadening the pangs of the sufferer. Jesus refused this cup, that his senses might be clear (Matt. 27:34).
still waiting for your reply to Luke 23:43, on ur thread :)
Elpida Tanevramou I am in tears my Sister to read this... Every time when I read about Jesus' crucifixion it always brings me down to my knees. More the glory, praise, honor and power to our God and Savior, Jesus Christ. Thank you for the share. HE (Jesus) never deserved it.... Such a loving, powerful and Almighty God (Jesus) we have.
***** Eagle, these days, it is the Holy week for us. I have many things to do and share with my family. I just entered to answer to one or two questions this morning, and I posted this. I will stop writing for a while. I promise to answer what I believe about Paradise, Heaven etc... It is a very big subject I believe and I konw that we will have a long talk about it. So, I'd prefer be concentrated on it.
If you don't mind, : ) I believe you will not suffer during my absence, so... Take care Eagle. We'll talk don't worry....
Elpida Tanevramou fair enough, take care.
Elpida Tanevramou He has no clue what he responded to and overlooked your post but rather come on and mock with a smile. If he had read your post, I am sure he would have a little more respect for Jesus Christ and not have commented at all. Majority of people will never know the LOVE that HE (Jesus) gives graciously when one "calls on HIS (Jesus) name to be saved" Romans 10:13 to receive the free gift of grace justified by the conviction of the Holy Spirit for a renewal of Heart and Spirit. God Bless You Elpida and thanks for the Share.
WOW. This debate was 🔥 🔥 🔥
James White is the 🐐 and this kid was GOOD. He must have been trained for this since his youth to be the JW champ.
But no Goliath can stand up to Yahweh’s anointed!
He is not a JW... JW's do not participate in Debates... only peaceful discussions.... he is a back slider hence y he took the stand... But did really well for a back slider
Very easy to dismiss Jehovah's witness .Doctrine is flawed
@@kenba3636ARE U SURE?
U cannot even define
1. Begotten
2. born
3. son
u even deny Jesus' own words when he said
Pray this way ... our father... which means the jesus want us 2 call god father the way he calls him father... so if jesus is yahweh does this mean we r also ... coz he old us to call god father as he did as well
@@BlackJ1234why add something to the bible if you think you are correct, like in John 1:1, your religion added "a god", when in the interlinear bible it says "God". Even in Colossians 1:16-17 your religion added the word "all other",why why why???
@@BlackJ1234why did he backslide, maybe he realizes he is wrong all the time...
>>> *1 John 4:1* ~ "Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but *TEST THE SPIRITS* to see whether they are from God, for many *FALSE PROPHETS* have gone out into the world."
We must *TEST THE SPIRITS*.
Does the Watchtower "god" point you to *FAITH in JESUS CHRIST* for your salvation like *Almighty God* says,, (Rom 3:22-25),,, or to faith in an "organization" *instead of CHRIST*, like Satan does?... *TEST THE SPIRITS!*
>>> *Acts **24:24* ~ “Governor Felix listened to *Paul* as he spoke about **FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST**.”
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*TO “JW’s”* …. What exactly are you trying to offer to people other than a direct road to *The Lake of Fire*???... I mean,, you have NO access to God to offer because access to God is through JESUS CHRIST, *not* through the Watchtower Cult. - (John 14:6) .....
And you have NO Eternal Life to offer because our Eternal Life is through Faith in JESUS CHRIST, *not* through the Watchtower Cult. - (Roman 3:22 see below)
So again, what are you trying to offer to people other than a direct road to *The Lake of Fire*?
>>> Rom 3:22 ~ “This Salvation from God comes through *FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST* to *ALL* who Believe.. *THERE IS NO DISTINCTION*.”
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That's how it goes with all the pseudo-Christian cults. If Jesus is the way, then that makes their man-made org. less important.
Well said
You are very lieyer, to say that , they pot Jehovah Kingdom first like Jesus, semple, They are his onitod , 144,000,
The verse that the Jehovah's Witnesses love to hate: It is written, "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, says the Lord God, He Who is and Who was and Who is to come, the Almighty." (Revelation 1:8 AMP) Now, I would like to ask the Jehovah's Witnesses, "Who is to come?" The Father Jehovah or the Son Jesus Christ? The Definitive Answer is: It is written, "He Who gives this warning and affirms and testifies to these things says, Yes, I am coming quickly. Amen! Yes, come, Lord Jesus!" (Revelation 22:20)
Amen! Yes, come, Lord Jesus!"
Jehovah witness clearly teach that Jesus is the one that comes the son of Jehovah Jehovah‘s first creation Jesus which is Michael the Archangel
@@nathangreen1692 Simple isn't it?
@@nathangreen1692
Colossians 1:15-17
Note that Jesus is called the firstborn, not the first-created (Greek word protoktistos). The word "firstborn" (Greek word "prototokos") signifies priority. In the culture of the Ancient Near East, the firstborn was not necessarily the oldest child. Firstborn referred not to birth order but to rank. The firstborn possessed the inheritance and leadership. Therefore, the phrase expresses Christ’s sovereignty over creation.
TAKE NOTE:
HE IS BEFORE ALL THINGS. He is not part of all things or creation. Who can be before creation? GOD
Proof #30
The Son is God
NOT A CREATURE
Revelation 5:13
New King James Version
13 And every creature which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, I heard saying:
“Blessing and honor and glory and power
Be to Him who sits on the throne,
And to the Lamb, forever and ever!”
The Son is in heaven here, he should be part of every creature that is in heaven; instead the Son together with the Father was praise, honored and glorified by every creature. THE SON IS NOT A CREATURE. Remember, there is only God and His Creation; only Creator and His Creatures. If the Son is not a Creature then he must be the Creator, therefore he must be GOD.
How would you explain.
1Tim 3:16, mr jw?
And 2tim 3:16
What God inspired the scriptures, if it's not Johova then you worship a different God not the creator, then you are an idol worshiper?
We don't need a JW to set the record straight;
manifest = reveal
_without controversy, the mystery of godliness is great: GOD was revealed in the flesh, justified in the spirit, seen by angels, preached among the nations, believed on in the world, and received up in glory_ - 1 Tim 3.16
_every Scripture is God-breathed and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for instruction in righteousness_ - 2 Tim 3.16
That said, does scripture show GOD was revealed in the man Jesus Christ on earth?
_...believe the works, that you may know and believe that the Father is in me, and I in the Father'_ - John
Needless to say and as it turns out, GOD was most definitely revealed in the flesh through the man Jesus Christ on earth
@@SmalltimR
😂😂😂 Jesus says I AM IN the Father, In what way is a flesh inside God???.
@@tonydiaz2378
Before answering, is there a particular reason that you would express laughing out loud while discussing this very important topic?
Likewise, and should you identify as a follower of Christ, I would urge that you consider the example set by Jesus so-as to honor His death and sacrifice with the respect that He deserves, rather than to come across in mockery on what we'd conclude to one of the most important topics known to man in our day.
That being said, and with regard to your response, I would say that the words 'I am in the Father...', would certainly come-across oddly without context, and so, with that said, would you be so kind as to cite the entire scripture so that we can consider the intended context?
*TO *“JW’s”* …. Preaching against "hell-fire" and against the "trinity doctrine" *DOES NOT SAVE ANYONE*.. Repentance and *Faith in JESUS CHRIST* does!
>>> *Acts **20:21* ~ “.. turn to God in *Repentance* and have **FAITH in JESUS CHRIST**.”
>>> *Rom **3:22**-25* ~ "This Salvation from God comes through **FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST** to **ALL** who Believe. **THERE IS NO DISTINCTION** because ALL have Sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, and we are saved Freely by His Grace *THROUGH OUR FAITH IN JESUS' BLOOD*."
>>> *John **3:36* ~ "Whoever Believes in *JESUS* HAS Everlasting Life.”
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God the father, Jesus d son so therefore genetics speaks for itself Jehovah is God so his DNA is flowing through Jesus Christ which mean he and d father is one 'unity' no separation yes d father is greater dan d son but dey are one! Can ah apple make ah pear? If you as ah father make ah son will born ah dog? So if the father is Jehovah God then who is jesus as his only begotten son
The Trinity Doctrine is not taught anywhere in scripture, but trinities were common in Paganism. They are rooted in Babylon, prominent in Egypt, still exist in India, and is the foundation of Roman Catholicism.
The beginnings of recognition of this doctrine for Christianity started at the Council of Nicea approximately 325 AD. Hundreds of years after the last book in the Bible was written.
The Council of Nicea was organized by the Roman Emperor Constantine and he had the final say on matters that he had little understanding of. He was also head of the Pagan religions.
During and after the Roman Empire, creed followed creed, and eventually idols were accepted as forms that we can worship God through. Mary was exalted to Mother of God (a title that goes back to Babylon) and worship of the saints was also sanctioned.
The organized church we see today was built on top of these creeds. The creeds were and are the foundation for many of today’s churches/denominations. These denominations are not to be confused with the Body of Christ spoken of in the scripture. Most denominations are still rooted in a Trinitarian creed of some kind. So their foundation is the Trinity which came from Babylon.
The mother of these denominations the Roman Catholic Church murdered approximately 50 million people, had armies which Jesus had said his church did not need, and banned access to scripture to Christians. This time is known by the descriptive term, ‘The Dark Ages’.
As a result of the Reformation, many new denominations started up, but they too held onto some of the creeds including the Trinity Doctrine.
Babylon means confusion and the foundation of most denominations is the Trinity Doctrine which is confusing to all, even proponents of the doctrine.
People are told to come out Babylon the Mystery religion lest we partake in her sins and iniquity. Who is Babylon? She is the mother of all harlots and the kings of the Earth have committed adultery with her. She is the religious system that was rooted in Babylon and she has made the whole world drunk on her wine.
From a historical point of view it seems strange to me that one of the pillars of Christianity didn’t come into existence or wasn’t recognized until 300 years after the death of Christ. On this point alone, I think its strange that we are encouraged not to question this doctrine and worse still, the the circumstances in which this doctrine came about should lead any clear thinking person to be at least suspicious.
In addition to that, the fruit of this doctrine appears to be bad. We know that one lie leads to another and history shows us that making Jesus God, opened the door for Mary to become the mother of God. Further, if Mary is the Mother of God, then that opens the door to the worship of other humans or saints.
I'm 9 years late, but this was a fantastic comment. I trust God has preserved you over the years ✝️
Just give me 1 verse saying
"Father is the only God"
Great comment. Gives good context of the development of the trinity and how it is still being pushed in the church of Christ
Let me refresh you on how God reveals Himself in the bible, which is the Trinity:
Father is God
Son is God
Holy Spirit is God
They are not 3 Gods, but 1 God
Father is Yahweh
Son is Yahweh
Holy Spirit is Yahweh
They are not 3 Yahwehs, but 1 Yahweh
Father is not the Son
Son is not the Holy Spirit
Holy Spirit is not the Father
3 DISTINCT PERSONS
1 UNITED INFINITE YAHWEH GOD
In Trinity:
Father - is a spirit (fully God)
Son - Spirit of Christ (fully God)
Human (fully Man with body,
soul and spirit)
Holy Spirit - is a spirit (fully God)
If Jesus was executed on a torture stake, with both hands together over his head, why does John 20:25 say "...Unless I see in his hands the print of the nailS ...", indicating that there was more than one nail used for his hands?
What does it matter,what he died on. Its what he died For....
Roxy Wade Well said bro...
Roxy Wade Why do You?
linda hartle Prove it...
What are you talking about! I pulled this from your last NWT Bible.
The biggest problem with this debate is the wallpaper in the background.
Love it! Haha! 😂
[39] “‘See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god beside me; I kill and I make alive; I wound and I heal; and there is none that can deliver out of my hand. (Deuteronomy 32:39 ESV)
[13] Also henceforth I am he; there is none who can deliver from my hand; I work, and who can turn it back?” (Isaiah 43:13 ESV)
If God does something nobody can undo it.Easy enough to understand.
[28] I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. (John 10:28 ESV)
Jesus makes the exact same claim.How is it possible for a created being to make this claim?
HI. Jesus can claim it,because the Father loves the Son and has placed everything in his hands....
Amen....Love it....JESUS is certainly God Almighty..
sherrie k You fail to look at what he said.It has nothing to do with placing things in his hands its about nothing can be taken out of his hand.Two different statements.
kilyn12 you've taken one verse out of the Bible in order to fit to your idea of the One True God. But why not include the surrounding verses to back up your statement, or support your theory? Could it be that the surrounding verses prove your theory wrong? You read verse 28. Now let's examine and discuss verses 25-32, & verses 36-38.
Jesus says "I told you guys already, I'm the Christ, but no matter how many times I keep telling you the same thing, you just won't believe me. I healed the blind, cured the sick, & the dead live again because of me. But I don't take credit for these works. I'm just a vessel because I do the works of the Father who sent me. The reason you can't believe it is because you are not my sheep. You don't belong to me. You belong to the devil Satan because he is a liar. My sheep hear my voice, and they listen. They don't twist things around, they don't misquote my sayings. They follow my word and my direction. In return, I give them everlasting life. They will never taste everlasting destruction, because God has given me the power over death to protect them from everlasting destruction. Don't you guys know I can bring anyone from the dead? No one can take My sheep out of my protection. My Father has given me, or bestowed upon me, the power to protect them. My sheep are in my hand, but WE are all in God's hands, including me. And not Satan or ANYONE can snatch us out of His hands. The Father and I are one because we're united, oriented, connected, in harmony with each other. I've already shown you what our Father in the heavens can do while I'm here on Earth carrying out these works. And you want to kill me because I'm showing you what God promises to do for all his righteous servants? How else would you be able to believe it unless I came down and showed you what he can do through me, his Son?"
Verse 36-38 "If I, Jesus, the Son of God, am not healing the sick, and preaching and teaching the word of God, and letting the lame walk again, and letting the dead live again in the name of my Father, Jehovah, then don't believe in me. Don't trust me. Don't put your faith in me at all. On the other hand, if I AM doing these great things in the name of my Father YHWH, and you still don't want to believe me, then fine. Don't. Just believe that these works come from God. Don't believe in me. But definitely believe in the Father who is doing these works through me, because like I said in verse 30, the father is connected, or united to me, and I am also connected, in harmony, or in union with the Father."
Jon B I didn't talk about all the other verses in the chapter because I was not giving a commentary on the whole chapter I was comparing a phrase from one chapter with a few from the old testament.You completely ignored the point and try downgrade Jesus.
Lets look at some of the phrases from the verses you pointed out and I bet you don't like what you read.
[1] “If a prophet or a dreamer of dreams arises among you and gives you a sign or a wonder, [2] and the sign or wonder that he tells you comes to pass, and if he says, ‘Let us go after other gods,’ which you have not known, ‘and let us serve them,’ [3] you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams. For the LORD your God is testing you, to know whether you love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul. [4] You shall walk after the LORD your God and fear him and keep his commandments and obey his voice, and you shall serve him and hold fast to him. (Deuteronomy 13:1-4 ESV)
[25] Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in my Father's name bear witness about me, [26] but you do not believe because you are not among my sheep. (John 10:25-26 ESV)
If you think Jesus is another God then this should be a red flag.Do you love the LORD your God or not?
[17] None of the devoted things shall stick to your hand, that the LORD may turn from the fierceness of his anger and show you mercy and have compassion on you and multiply you, as he swore to your fathers, [18] if you obey the voice of the LORD your God, keeping all his commandments that I am commanding you today, and doing what is right in the sight of the LORD your God. (Deuteronomy 13:17-18 ESV)
[27] My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. (John 10:27 ESV)
Do you understand what Jesus was saying yet?
[33] The Jews answered him, “It is not for a good work that we are going to stone you but for blasphemy, because you, being a man, make yourself God.” (John 10:33 ESV)
Here is the one that you skipped over.Jesus was making many claims about himself that the Jews understood.How are you going to use those verses as a proof text to deny Jesus,when the text says Jesus was calling himself God?
ToastalStrudelYah You quoted "2 Corinthians 5:16 Therefore from now on we recognize no one according to the flesh; even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know Him in this way no longer. "
Yet you did not identify what it is speaking of, listen hear false teacher and allow me to help you with Context.
2 Cor. 5:16 Paul emphasizes spiritual judgment and spiritual insight into people’s lives and situations. Our experience of Christ’s love moves us to stop viewing others according to worldly standards and to learn how to view them from the standpoint of God’s great act of salvation in Jesus Christ.
When speaking according to the flesh. >>When Christ was regarded from a worldly point of view, men rejected and crucified Him as a blasphemer and troublemaker.>But from the *divine* viewpoint, Christ is the Messiah and Son of God, in whom the new creation and reconciliation with God is given.
What??????? I was not going into the entire message of what Paul is teaching only the piece that shows Christ is no longer flesh. They know him in a spiritual sense...
You really do add a little too much to the scripture.
1 Peter 3:18
18 For Christ died once for all time for sins,+ a righteous person for unrighteous ones,+ in order to lead you to God.+ He was put to death in the flesh+ but made alive in the spirit.
John 20:17
17 Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers+ and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father+ and your Father and to my God+ and your God.’”
We know flesh can not enter into heaven.
ToastalStrudelYah "but made alive in the spirit.'
This does not say was raised a spirit...sorry TS
But this spirit you speak of.....would that happen to be Michael...who ceased to exist once God removed his life force...essentially destroying the person of Michael?
ToastalStrudelYah If you read the entire chapter you would understand. But you are only cherry picking to support CT Russel doctrine. You stated "Paul is teaching only the piece that shows Christ is no longer flesh" No Toasty... That is not what Paul is teaching or implying at all. You take the scripture out of context.
1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being >>put to death in the flesh>Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father
Jesse Sanchez GOD allowed Jesus to be seen. Notice Mary didn't know who he was to begin with. You can bend the scriptures all you want, we all know flesh can not enter into heaven. Flesh doesn't walk thru walls, but I respect how you view the scriptures. No need to continue this discussion we have already been down this road.
ToastalStrudelYah You also stated "We know flesh can not enter into heaven" That is a lie. Scripture says flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom.
1 Corinthians 15:50-54
''Now this I say, brethren, >>that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God
since when do JWs engage in debates? O__o
They were debating regularly many years ago, not very often now.
Good job though
Not sure, but Greg left the watch tower and no longer associates with them. This is a praise report.
He disagrees on many of the false teachings of the watch tower.
For one, he disagrees on the blood transfusion. I feel bad for those who lost their lives because they gave their live to the watch tower teachings. Jesus Bless you Bro.
Nevertheless he defended the truth that Jesus is not God, that only the Father is God very well. A position he still holds to.
+TheCaledonianBoy Nevertheless, the seed was planted and no longer believes Jesus is Michael but the Son of God.
Praise report, he literally speaks against the watch tower traditions negatively.
Point made he no longer asociates with the watch tower.
The Holy Spirit is wooing him to help other watch tower memebers.
+ Regardless of how he feels about the WT, the point is in this debate he came out on top. And all things spoken of in this debate he still believes. He defended his position, that he still holds to, that Jesus is not God.
Good job
A question to the Jahova witness Guy:
How do you explain Isaiah 42 about the servant of God,
That the Lord God said in chapter 43:10 that He is this servant He’s talking about, and Paul says in Philippians 2:6-7 that God emptied Himself taking the form of a servant becoming a man?
Explain please, thanks and God bless you
_'you are my witnesses,' says Yahweh, 'With my servant whom I have chosen; that you may know and believe me, and understand that I am He. Before me there was no God formed, neither will there be after me'_ - Isaiah 43.10
Also, Phil 2.6-7 does not say GOD emptied Himself - it says the Son who was in the form of GOD emptied Himself...
PS. it's worth noting that there can be no before or after with GOD, as the declaration is used to emphasize the impossibility of GOD's eternal nature.
He is not a Jehovah's witness