How Trinity Idolaters Testify Against Themselves

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  • @TheOfficerTatum
    @TheOfficerTatum 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Love your videos.

  • @renaewellswithrwhomesllc1802
    @renaewellswithrwhomesllc1802 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I have tears drowning my eyes. Crying out to ABBA Father to forgive me for believing in the Trinity. God is so gracious. 🙌

  • @tghodosko7259
    @tghodosko7259 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Really enjoyed your video, very reaffirming. Thanks

  • @sasquatchmeridian3094
    @sasquatchmeridian3094 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Truth indeed. We must be "born again" to see the kingdom of God.

  • @1kingdomgospel
    @1kingdomgospel 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    The biggest obstacle while debating trinitarians is the oldest curse of mankind....fear, which happens to have many disguises. Being wrong in word or deed, especially while others are witnesses to it, sends most people running for cover. Humanity is a frightened race since the fall, we are still trying to hide our nakedness through any means possible, therefore getting someone to discard their theological fig leaves and expose their nakedness is scary stuff for people. In years past I argued a point even though I realised I was wrong, simply because I had committed myself to the debate and others were observing the debate....sad I know. Humility is a great gift, that's why God exalts the humble and humbles the proud. Being wrong exposes us, reveals our weaknesses, removes our fig leaves and calls us out from our hiding place. For them to admit that they, trinitarians, are naked is the main obstacle I believe.

    • @1kingdomgospel
      @1kingdomgospel 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @DangerKeys lol...In N Ireland when I say Jesus isn't God, people start gathering kindling, fire wood, petrol and a stake to tie me to and get out the marshmallows.

    • @IsJesusGod.
      @IsJesusGod. 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Mark sinclair well said.
      But I also believe trinitarians are trapped in their own PRIDE, and are not willing to swallow it and repent, especially the Trinitarians teachers.

    • @JeffDeanTheDeanZone
      @JeffDeanTheDeanZone 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      They are not "afraid" of being wrong. They despise being wrong. They despise correction. They are self deluded and therefore "fools" in the classic sense according to scripture.
      They will trample your pearls and turn also to rend thee.

  • @Lutheranjenkins
    @Lutheranjenkins 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    A Catholic called me schizophrenic because I asked him to support his beliefs using Scripture.

    • @jaysonwilliams8991
      @jaysonwilliams8991 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Cherubiel † imagine having three selves in your being and your second self having two individual but inseparable selves... the trinity in a nutshell...

    • @TheTrinityDelusion
      @TheTrinityDelusion  5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      No worries. Their own Jesus is schizophrenic.

    • @Lutheranjenkins
      @Lutheranjenkins 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TheTrinityDelusion
      Very true Brother 😆

  • @Ronyron3053
    @Ronyron3053 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Thank you soo much... you changed my life. YHVH blessed you

    • @johndevisser3318
      @johndevisser3318 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I love to see comments like this one.
      The truth will set you free!!
      God bless you

    • @Ronyron3053
      @Ronyron3053 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Johnny Casteel because Jesus had a personally relationship with the Father. And also when you get baptize the holy spirit the spirit will call hom Abbi Father

    • @Ronyron3053
      @Ronyron3053 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      John De Visser you too

    • @Ronyron3053
      @Ronyron3053 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Johnny Casteel because the scriptures said whomever should called on the name of the LORD shall be saved. The name of the LORD is YHVH

    • @nikelemccain3664
      @nikelemccain3664 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Rony Ron some people see someone rejoice & then swoop in trying to rain on their parade.
      Knowing good & well when one rejoices, we all should rejoice! I like your comment, as did some others, & I will rejoice with you brother.
      God bless, & Peace to you!

  • @lynnebalzer5520
    @lynnebalzer5520 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks, Brother Kel, for your illuminating lesson.I've been having a discussion about the trinity with the minister of a Baptist church here in the states. I told him we are children of God, to which he replied "adopted children".I asked him where in the Bible it says, "adopted". He could not tell me. I also told him that I am being led by the Holy Spirit. He said that disturbed him.

    • @TheTrinityDelusion
      @TheTrinityDelusion  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      He seems to be denying that he is BORN of God.

  • @johndevisser3318
    @johndevisser3318 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Most people say the word trinity is not in the bible, sadly that's only the beginning:
    1 God is made out of 3 persons is not in the bible
    God came down in a garment of flesh is not in the bible
    The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are equal is not in the bible
    Jesus has a dual nature is not in the bible
    Jesus is a God-man is not in the bible
    Jesus is the same essence as the Father is not in the the bible.
    God Jesus and God the Holy Spirit are not in the bible.
    The Holy Spirit is a person loose from the Father is not in the bible.
    A triune God is not in the bible.
    Don't be fooled by people who say the word trinity is not in the bible. The truth is: The whole concept of the Trinity is not in the bible.
    Jesus never preached a trinity, the apostles never teached a trinity.
    Jesus called the apostles His friends who He told everything the Father has said to Him.
    If Jesus never preached a trinity, the apostles never teached a trinity, who are you to preach and teach it?
    No matter if it is done by free will or because deception; Everyone who teaches the Trinity works for the devil!
    Corinthians 11:3-6 King James Version (KJV)
    3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
    4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
    5 For I suppose I was not a whit behind the very chiefest apostles.
    6 But though I be rude in speech, yet not in knowledge; but we have been throughly made manifest among you in all things.
    Colossians 2:8 King James Version (KJV)
    8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
    Deuteronomy 4:2 King James Version (KJV)
    2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.

    • @IsJesusGod.
      @IsJesusGod. 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Well said and may I add please, A TRIAD GOD is not in the Bible.
      God bless.

  • @michaelbruce9197
    @michaelbruce9197 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Explained very well. Thank you

    • @thetrinitysolution9631
      @thetrinitysolution9631 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Explained very well? He left out John 1:18 from his list of verses on fallacious grounds claiming that it contains a variant. But there are no variants in the two places in John 1:18 which refute this entire teaching. All manuscripts contain the reading "only begotten" (referring to Christ) and the phrase "who is" (present tense). So according to John 1:18, Kel's claim that Christ is never called the monogenes after the resurrection is completely erroneous. Didn't you catch that? Were you not paying attention? You can learn more here: th-cam.com/video/BCIZtCPEuHI/w-d-xo.html

  • @rod8989
    @rod8989 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    At John 8:58 there is a verb γενέσθαι (=genesthai). This is a verb, and is derived from γίνομαι (=ginomai), which has a range of meanings, such as to be, to do, to make, to appear, to arise, to seem, to come, to come to pass, to happen, to finish, to perform, to become. Its Strong's number is 1096. Its grammatical form γενέσθαι is given in Bagster as 'aor. 2, infin', which means it is a 2nd aorist type verb and an infinitive. An infinitive is the form beginning with 'to', as in those examples just listed, or to fish, to write, to complete, to err, to dodge, to invent. This word γενέσθαι occurs in other places with a strong future aspect, such as at Revelation 1:1 'things which must be soon TO ARISE '; 'what things have TO COME TO PASS'(Revelation 4:1); 'the things which must be soon TO ARISE' (Revelation 22:6). The context in John 8:58 is Jesus ' superiority over Abraham, so Jesus says, 'Before Abraham is TO ARISE, I Am'. The verb γενέσθαι is best rendered with that strong future aspect. But why, then, when we look at the KJV, do we find this strict infinitive, γενέσθαι, translated as 'was', an imperfect past tense put for an infinitive? It says, 'Before Abraham WAS, I am'. But that gives the silly impression that Jesus was around before Abraham! Whenever did an infinitive verb become an imperfect past tense verb? When we look at other versions we see the same dodge. One version has γενέσθαι as 'came into existence '. Yet they have it correctly as an infinitive in other places.
    These inventions and grammatical violations all serve the polytheistic error of making Jesus seem to have been around before Abraham, so turning him into one of Mysticism's gods in its three gods system.
    At John 17:5 there is the common and simple present infinitive verb εἶναι (=einai), Strong's 1511. Jesus is speaking of 'the world TO BE', or 'the world TO COME'. Why, then, does the KJV have that strict infinitive as 'was'? One version has the verb as a noun, 'existence'. The false translating makes Jesus seem to have been around before the world came into being. But neither the grammar nor wider context nor common sense allow such a mystical notion of 'the man Christ Jesus' (1 Timothy 2:5). Something more sinister the KJV does is put "made" for ἐγένετο (=egeneto) at John 1:3 instead of "arose", smuggling in a plural passive verb for what is a singular active verb, and it gives the silly impression that Jesus was the Creator rather than God. Kinda like when KJV puts "created" instead of "founded" in colossians 1:16

    • @TheTrinityDelusion
      @TheTrinityDelusion  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      "Before Abraham came to be, I am." That is literally what it says. Translating it as "Before Abraham WAS, I am" doesn't make a difference in this instance. This is why some have, "Before Abraham was born, I am." That is the intent.
      However, at Jn 17:5, the infinitive should be read with what follows, "to be alongside You." This they do not do. The "world" in question is the people. Take note how the world is the people in Jn 17 -
      those you gave me out of the world 17:6
      I am not praying for the world 17:9
      the world has hated them 17:14
      so that the world may believe 17:21
      so that the world will know you sent me 17:22
      all refers to the people.
      At John 17:5, Jesus is praying to be glorified to that glory he was having alongside the Father during his ministry. He asking to be glorified commensurate with that glory by which he glorified the Father during his ministry. See previous verse.

    • @bardowesselius4121
      @bardowesselius4121 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TheTrinityDelusion although the context is clear, doesn't the literal translation say comes to be instead of came to be for genesthai?

    • @Mckaule
      @Mckaule 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I believe original gospels were written in Hebrew. Hebrew doesn't have future tense, so those who translated this verse into Greek made it present. I'm my opinion it should be "before Abraham will be raised, I will be" in a sense that He will be raised before Abraham. Pharisees believed that Abraham who is the father and beginner of their faith would be raised first in resurrection but there Jesus is claiming to be raised before him thus declaring to be higher than Abraham in status. That is why they got angry..

    • @bardowesselius4121
      @bardowesselius4121 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Mckaule I also take that interpretation seriously.

    • @Mckaule
      @Mckaule 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@bardowesselius4121 I'm not a scholar nor of Greek nor Hebrew and I made this conclusion just because I know some nuances but I can be wrong. I believe this is correct because I see no mystical nonsense and I see no contradictions in it.

  • @tahquameken
    @tahquameken 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    No matter how wrong they obviously are, trinitarians simply say that Jesus is either a man, or he is God, or sometimes he's both. depending on the situation. It's really simple. It's just like the ace up the sleeve trick. When you need it, it's there. So they can have an answer for any occasion.

    • @TheTrinityDelusion
      @TheTrinityDelusion  5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      They are double minded having two Jesus Christs: Jesus the divine being, Jesus the human being. They pick and choose the one they like for the occasion. That is what idolaters do. Choose the god that serves their needs. Their Jesus never seems to be both the divine Jesus and the human Jesus at the same time but like a light switch, is one or the other, and he will even switch from one to the other halfway through a sentence. Complete madness.

    • @tahquameken
      @tahquameken 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TheTrinityDelusion Jesus the man is up one sleeve, and Jesus the God up the other. It's cheating.

    • @tahquameken
      @tahquameken 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @DangerKeys Also, a common last resort argument they use is that you need the Holy Spirit to discern the truth - which they of course have, but you don't, since you disagree with them. I myself call this their own private interpretation.

  • @Adam-1984
    @Adam-1984 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    𝗛𝗢𝗪 𝗠𝗔𝗡𝗬 𝗚𝗢𝗗𝗦 𝗔𝗥𝗘 𝗧𝗛𝗘𝗥𝗘 ?
    The Scriptures below reveal there is but One God.
    “Have we not all One Father ?
    Has not One God created us ?
    Why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers ?”
    (Malachi 2:10)
    Jesus confirms there is only ONE God and it is not Him.
    In the passage of Mark 12:28-34,
    “one of the scribes came” to Jesus and “asked Him, Which is the first Commandment of all ?” (v. 28)
    “Jesus answered, The first of all the Commandments is,
    Hear, O Israel; YAHWAH OUR GOD IS ONE GOD:
    And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart...”
    (v. 29, 30)
    Note Jesus quotes Deuteronomy 6:4.
    “The scribe said unto Him, Well, Master,
    you have said the Truth:
    for THERE IS ONE GOD;
    and there is none other but He:” (v. 32)
    How did Jesus respond to the Scribe ?
    Did He tell Him that he was wrong ?
    To the contrary,
    “And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly (wisely),
    He said unto him, You are not far from the Kingdom of God.”
    (v. 34)
    “Seeing it is ONE God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.”
    (Romans 3:30)
    “You believest that there is ONE God; you doest well:
    the devils also believe, and tremble.”
    (James 2:19)
    These devils are fallen angels who knew God and His Son.
    So they know “there is ONE God” and they know that Jesus is the “Son of God”, and not the ONE True God.
    “They cried out, saying, What have we to do with you, Jesus, you Son of God ?
    (Matthew 8:29)
    “Now unto the King Eternal, immortal, invisible, the Only wise God, be honour and Glory for ever and ever.”
    (1 Timothy 1:17)
    _________________
    Note: The following Scriptures also state that there is One God.
    But does the Bible include Jesus as the One God as the trinity doctrine claims, or is there One God “and” also one Lord Jesus Christ meaning they are two separate beings ?
    “There is one body, and one Spirit,
    even as you are called in one hope of your calling;
    One Lord [Jesus], one faith, one baptism,
    One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.”
    (Ephesians 4:4-6)
    “For there is ONE God,
    and one mediator between God and men,
    the man Christ Jesus.”
    (1 Timothy 2:5)
    “And this is Life Eternal,
    that they might know You
    the Only True God,
    and
    Jesus Christ, whom You have sent.”
    (John 17:3)
    “For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the Only God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.”
    (Jude 1:4)
    “But to us there is but ONE God, the Father,
    of whom are all things, and we in Him;
    and one Lord Jesus Christ,
    through whom are all things, and we through Him.”
    (1 Corinthians 8:6)
    So Paul, John and Jude state that the Father is the Only True God while excluding Jesus Christ revealing that He is not The Father and separate from the One True God The Father.
    So the only contradiction would be a belief in the trinity.

  • @ErikBraganca
    @ErikBraganca 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    can you please explain john 1:23 -John replied in the words of Isaiah the prophet, “I am the voice of one calling in the wilderness, ‘Make straight the way for the Lord
    a trinitarian friend of mine said that Isaiah was talking about God, therefore, Jesus is GOD
    thanks for the videos, my friend!

    • @TheTrinityDelusion
      @TheTrinityDelusion  5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      This is just another naive Trinitarian claim. Yes, John prepared the way for the Lord God of Israel. The God of Israel did mighty works through the man Jesus. Acts 2:22. Jesus came in the Father's name to speak the Father's words and do the Father's works. The Father, the God of Israel, did all these things through Jesus.

    • @IsJesusGod.
      @IsJesusGod. 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Erik Braganca, Go to the Hebrew translation of Isaiah 40-3, which is the same verse John 1:23 is referring to, and there you will see the actual name of *GOD Yahweh*
      Or look in a good translation like the World English Bible, where Trinitarians do not remove GODs name.
      The voice of one who calls out, *”Prepare the way of Yahweh* in the wilderness! Make a level highway in the desert for our God.
      Notice how we read it is *GOD the Father Yahweh* that John is referring to make straight the way of *GOD the Father Yahweh* to send His Son Jesus as the prophet Isaiah said, Isaiah 40-3.
      This is also confirmed by Jesus himself when He said: For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me. John 6:38

  • @RoseSharon7777
    @RoseSharon7777 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Here’s a question for all of us ex-trinitarians: if the crucifixion of Jesus and his blood covers all our sin past present and future; then why must we overcome sin, become perfect and spotless with any wrinkles and be living sacrifices and die to our flesh? It CANT BE BOTH. Total contradiction.
    AND if it was forbidden to sacrifice humans as the pagans did, then why did Jesus say he was laying down his life for the WILL OF THE FATHER? If God HATED human SACRIFICES and feast days then why would it be his will to sacrifice his perfected FIRSTbegotten son born of the spirit?
    Why is 666 mistranslated from chi-xi-stigma which means Christ nailed to wood as the mark of the beast in the original pictogram in the Greek?
    Didn’t Jesus mean he was laying down his life as we too must lay down our lives, we must crucify OUR FLESH and die to ourselves. Romans clearly teaches we are reconciled to Yhwh for our PAST SINS by the righteousness (water) and obedience (blood death to self) of Yeshua. If Yeshua was actually crucified as a human sacrifice, then the Baptist’s are correct, there’s absolutely NOTHING a person ever has to do past that to be saved. We can sin ALL DAY AND NIGHT because his blood covers it all. It CANNOT BE BOTH. This is why we were told to establish his word by 2 or 3 witnesses because the NT is highly corrupted by pagan lies that infiltrated the church. The gospels clearly weren’t written by witnesses nor do they confirm each other. Everything is like a jigsaw puzzle requiring great effort to put the truth together. Yeshua said the kingdom is like a treasure HIDDEN in a field. We must rightly divide the truth (from lies). This is what I’ve discovered to be lies: the virgin birth, the trinity, the crucifixion on a paganTau cross, the bodily resurrection. All HIGHLY CONTRADICTED within Paul’s epistles and James and Peter and the OT and the psalms. Basically, EVERY doctrine that came from the Catholic Church into Protestantism is a pagan lie of the mystery religion of Babylon. Which is what Revelation tells us and Yeshua warned us specifically about. A strong delusion so strong that even the Elect could be deceived! He wasn’t kidding. When people learn the truth, it will indeed set us free. And it makes so much more sense! The literal types and shadows in the Old are fulfilled SPIRITUALLY in the new not literal. It’s spiritual death and resurrection, spiritual blindness and deafness and lameness, spiritual baptism, living sacrifices, spiritual calming of the storms, etc. revelation says clearly that the false messiah (trinity) would perform lying signs, wonders, and miracles and Yeshua said ONLY ONE SIGN would be given, the sign of Jonah to the Ninahvites of repentance and obedience vs judgement. It’s time for us all to take a sobering look at the obvious contradictions in the NT and stop twisting and turning them to force them to be true because a lot of it just IS NOT. Jer. 8:8. The deception is waaaayyy deeper than just the trinity!

    • @TheTrinityDelusion
      @TheTrinityDelusion  5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      For he who lacks these qualities is blind or short-sighted, having forgotten he was cleansed from his PAST SINS. 2 Peter 1:9
      For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins.... Hebrews 10:26

    • @RoseSharon7777
      @RoseSharon7777 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@TheTrinityDelusion I agree 100%. So what is the purpose of the crucifixion of Jesus? Roman's and Paul teaches we are reconciled by His righteousness NOT a human sacrifice.

    • @brenosantana1458
      @brenosantana1458 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Searth for the ebionites and the Clementine literature.

    • @RoseSharon7777
      @RoseSharon7777 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Johnny Casteel No they didn’t. The Jews never killed Jesus nor did anyone else. Jesus crucified his flesh and died to himself as a LIVING OFFERING. For this obedience (spiritual blood) the Passover was complete and he was transfigured and the firstfruits rose from the tombs. This is indicated by the man in grave clothes and the earthquake that knocked over the soldiers on the night of Passover on the mount of Olives. Moses and Elijah also rose from death. Yeshua’s flesh NEVER saw corruption like the prophecies say. He was changed in an instant. It was never a requirement for there to be a literal blood sacrifice. The OT prophecies are all fulfilled spiritually in the NEW. YHWH prefers mercy over sacrifice . We are reconciled to Yhwh for our past sins by the righteousness (water) and obedience to death to self (blood)of Yeshua. As Romans clearly teaches. The pagans took the truth about Yeshua and mixed it with their pagan lies (iron mixed with clay) which has deceived the whole church for 2000 years. Yeshua said the truth would be revealed at the end. Ironic that the Pope just came out yesterday and confirmed Jesus was a man and not God! I predicted this would happen a year ago. Yet, You tell a lie long enough then when the truth comes out, no one will believe it! It will ALL be revealed before it’s over but most will reject it because they won’t hear!

    • @RoseSharon7777
      @RoseSharon7777 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Johnny Casteel Thats why there’s NO historical record of Jesus’ death, no census, no children mascered by Harod (the children of Leah not Rachel), and no pagan wisemen worshipping Jesus A MAN as God. An abomination! Mary and Joseph would never have allowed it as it would have been highly forbidden under the law. Sorry man. We were all deceived by the lying pen of the scribes, Jer. 8:8, and the pagan mystery religion of Babylon. If you don’t get it now, you’ll get it later and it will be thru great tribulation. The temple Jesus was referring that would rise within 3 days is talking about his perfected church, his body. The 3rd day is upon us!

  • @Ranger1985.
    @Ranger1985. 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Bro Kel, what's your opinion on "losing salvation" as they say? I know that Father YHVH is our salvation, it's not some token we carry around. We have his spirit in us. Do you think he would ever leave a believer? If not, then why are there so many warnings in the NT? I've struggled with this question ever since I was begotten of God many years ago.

  • @ruveixventer4807
    @ruveixventer4807 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    As a non trinitarian,i agree to a certain extent on your assessment on the texts in discussion,but Eph.1:5 clearly states that God adopted us as His children through His begotten Son,Jesus Christ.1John4:9 still mention the only begotten,long after Christ has risen and ascended to heaven and presumably many were baptised in Jesus's name after His ascention,nullifying this scripture then if Jesus then became the past only begotten? He(Jesus)was not created like Lucifer,or the angels,nor adopted as we ,the sinners are,but was begotten of the Father,making Him the only begotten.Jesus being begotten of the Father was made in God's express image(Heb.1:3)Giving Him(Jesus)a divine nature.Jesus never sinned(Heb.4,2Cor 5:21)thereby signifying the essence of being the only begotten Son of the Father.We have a sinners nature(Rom.3:23)and therefore cannot portray the express image of our Heavenly Father,like the only begotten Son does.The only way we can partake in sonship,is by adoption through Jesus Christ,without affecting the title as only begotten Son of God.Blessings.

    • @TheTrinityDelusion
      @TheTrinityDelusion  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      The word you see translated as "adoption" simply means to make a son. God makes us His sons by begetting us. The Scripture is unambiguous on this matter.

  • @claudiozanella256
    @claudiozanella256 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    The emperor has no clothes: the almighty God CANNOT EXIST here now for a logical reason. The reason is that He would know HIS OWN FUTURE too, "embedded" in the general future and would thus be OBLIGED to make that future true. This is not really a problem for important actions that have been decided by Him beforehand. The problem is that He would also BE OBLIGED to take EXACTLY any other IRRELEVANT action of his written future. God cannot accept that. This is why the Son of God exists: He doesn't know the future. This is why God is only a spirit (John 4:24)

  • @TempGFCanada
    @TempGFCanada 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi I have a question. If the trinity doctrine wrong then who or what is the son. Is he a created being or was he there with the father since the beginning and if that is the case how is that possible?

    • @imagomonkei
      @imagomonkei 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Gravity Falls Canada he is a man who was begotten of God in the virgin Mary. He was also adopted as the Son of God (Messiah) at his baptism, and he was resurrected from Sheol as the firstborn of the dead.

    • @TempGFCanada
      @TempGFCanada 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@imagomonkei
      Yeshua is not a man... No man has lived from the foundation of the world until the time of Mary mother of Yeshua.

    • @bardowesselius4121
      @bardowesselius4121 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TempGFCanada from the foundation of the world = foreknown by God. A created human being foreknown by the Creator, preexisting in His divine plan but not literally existing as a conscious human being until his physical birth.

    • @TempGFCanada
      @TempGFCanada 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@bardowesselius4121
      Yeshua was not created he existed before the foundation of the world alongside his father. He was the one who spoke with Abraham along with two angels.

    • @Mckaule
      @Mckaule 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TempGFCanada are you JW cult ?

  • @peterstewart2574
    @peterstewart2574 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can you believe . Ecclesiastes 1 : 18 , I do believe this to be . nice to see you on youtub ,

  • @ministermarkus9462
    @ministermarkus9462 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    do you Keep Shapath

  • @JeffDeanTheDeanZone
    @JeffDeanTheDeanZone 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I've fought with Biblical Unitarians who try to use those same verses to say that only Jesus is "begotten" of God. I believe it is primarily Anthony Buzzard who is preaching this lie. They teach, as do trinitarians, that we are only "adopted" sons, not "begotten." Even if adopted meant that we are not God's biological children but he calls us children (as in an adoption) when God adopts a child that is not his by birth, he makes them his begotten, he makes them his children. John the Baptist said to the Pharisees, "God is able to make out of these stones, children unto Abraham." If God can make biological children of Abraham out of rocks, he certainly can make truly begotten children out of us when he adopts us!
    So, I don't bother arguing with them, nor do I try to convince them that they are translating "adoption" wrong, instead, I take their own preconceived notion of how we are "adopted" only and show them that it is IRRELEVANT. Even if you are only "adopted" the scripture says you are being "transformed" or "conformed" to a TRUE and BEGOTTEN SON!

    • @TheTrinityDelusion
      @TheTrinityDelusion  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      There are several problems there - men caught up in their own theological wisdom not knowing the wisdom of God nor understanding the difference. Their God is a doctrine of God just like the Trinitarian God is no more than a doctrine. But our God is not a doctrine about God; our God is the Living God. Fix your eyes on Jesus for he and his ways are the wisdom of God.

  • @Mark_Dyer1
    @Mark_Dyer1 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    The entire concept of GOD, "messes with peoples' heads": not Trinitarian deductive reasoning. ALL of Christian Theology (particularly in the speciality, CHRISTOLOGY) is the product of deductive reasoning from the original testimonies of the Primitive (Jewish) Church, through the Early Church (Jewish + Gentile), the Church 'Fathers', right up to the present day. Those testimonies sometimes took liturgical form (see Phlilippians 2: 5-11) as creedal hymns; but - with the delay in the Eschaton - they were also committed to writing in Koine Greek. PAUL's letters are the earliest Christian documents we have; but they were quickly followed by the Gospels. Being Jewish, the Primitive Christians had to wrestle with their experience, and their 'revelation', (based on the resurrection appearances of The Christ) that the Messiah HAD come, and that he was the man, Jesus of Nazareth. Slowly, but surely, the Early Church progressed to conclude that the Messiah was also 'LORD', and that he had provided them with the eternal presence of the Spirit (the same Spirit who had accompanied the Hebrews throughout their History). Thus, slowly, GOD was seen to be definable as 'LOVE-IN-RELATIONSHIP': as a 'GODHEAD', manifest in three PERSONS. The quaint Mediaeval 'Trinitarian Diagram' (Wikipedia has an excellent article on this) may be naive: but it also contains the truth of the orthodox experience of the CREATOR; Three Person in ONE Godhead. And, one factor which should NEVER be neglected in the development of CHRISTIAN Trinitarian Theology, is the presence of that SPIRIT-OF-GOD (Hebrew, 'ruach') within the catholic and universal Church (all denominations), right up to the present day.

    • @TheTrinityDelusion
      @TheTrinityDelusion  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      The Living God needs no development.

    • @Mark_Dyer1
      @Mark_Dyer1 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TheTrinityDelusion Oh dear! So the Hebrew revelation required nothing more? The Jews worship "The Living God". According to YOUR argument, they require no development beyond their own revelation!

    • @TheTrinityDelusion
      @TheTrinityDelusion  5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Mark_Dyer1 The Living God is not made by philosophical argument and human reasoning. Only madmen would suppose so.

  • @andrewcorbell7216
    @andrewcorbell7216 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Anyone care to say what happened to yeshua if there was no crucifixion, and he actually existed?......???.... .this seems to be a very simple question for those of you who deny the Trinity but have no answer.!!!!

    • @andrewcorbell7216
      @andrewcorbell7216 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      SBeasley meaning?.... Come on explain your point, because from where I'm standing you don't have one.

    • @andrewcorbell7216
      @andrewcorbell7216 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      SBeasley I thought not.

  • @andrewcorbell7216
    @andrewcorbell7216 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    What is unique about Jesus.... IL ask you again.

    • @TheTrinityDelusion
      @TheTrinityDelusion  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I said so in the video. He was the predestined son, the man God loved before the foundation of the world. He was the only man born a virgin. He was the promised Christ to Israel. He is the only man so far who is raised from the dead. Now my turn. If Jesus still is the ONLY begotten son of God, how about you? Are you begotten of God?

    • @andrewcorbell7216
      @andrewcorbell7216 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      The Trinity Delusion.. So the mystery isn't the trinity, or that Jesus is resurrected, it's that there is number of times your heart is going to beat... Yes I hope one day to walk with Jesus. I hope so will you. But if God can part the red sea. He can put the sun and moon in the sky, and come amongst us in whatever form he chooses. If you don't believe this, you may as well become an atheist... The problem with this is, this is folly of the highest order,because there is evidence all over this KNOWN world of a cataclysmic event that we call Noah's flood, and is undeniable proof of his existance.

    • @TheTrinityDelusion
      @TheTrinityDelusion  5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@andrewcorbell7216 Yeah God can be a pumpkin too. But that doesn't mean He did DOES IT? Your personal fantasies are irrelevant. The only relevant thing is the Scriptural facts not your personal imaginations about what you muse God can be or can do. The only thing that matters is what God DID do and DOES do, not what he might hypothetically do in your own imaginations.

    • @andrewcorbell7216
      @andrewcorbell7216 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      The Trinity Delusion. You use the term scriptural facts...... Maybe you need to reflect on this.

    • @andrewcorbell7216
      @andrewcorbell7216 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The Trinity Delusion. I need to reflect further on this as I think I'm not fully understanding. My disrespectful tone is therefor unwarranted. Please accept my apologies.

  • @TempGFCanada
    @TempGFCanada 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    John 17 verse 5
    This is proof that Yeshua was there before the begin of the world.

    • @TempGFCanada
      @TempGFCanada 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @C S
      I think we've come at an impass. I can't belive that I can't understand this... Who or what is Jesus!?
      www.desiringgod.org/messages/in-the-beginning-was-the-word/excerpts/before-time-began-jesus-was

    • @andrewcorbell7216
      @andrewcorbell7216 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Gravity Falls Canada I agree with you Jesus is not just a man, but he can be killed, if there is no resurrection, there is no Christianity. The crucifixion would be regarded as the comeuppance of a lunatic. Everyone would have disassociate themselves from him. No church, no Christianity period. The man making this video has given himself the responsibility of explaining to every one what is special about Jesus....not just pick holes. Anyone can do that. You can pick holes in the bible from the beginning to the end.... So let him come up with the goods...because to me he sounds more of a lunatic than trinitarians.

    • @IsJesusGod.
      @IsJesusGod. 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@andrewcorbell7216 The guy knows what he is talking about.
      The problem is that people hate the truth when the truth is told, thats what happens when we become deceived, as Biblical facts prove nothing, which is why Jesus said what He did in Matthew 13:14.

    • @andrewcorbell7216
      @andrewcorbell7216 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Is GOD and His Son a TRIAD GOD? Question is is Satan God also?. You would think viruses would come from Satan, but they in fact seem like they come from the maker if all things... I would believe you about the truth about Bible facts, but the problem with this is you are going to have to pick snd choose which ones are true and which ones are not. Herein lies the problem with the Bible. Too much has been removed or mistranslated for us not to have the problems illustrated by this conversation. I agree with the great deception, we may not even ever know what this is, but I suspect you and I know something is being kept from us. The book of revelation looks too much to me like a predestined order of things written in code.

    • @IsJesusGod.
      @IsJesusGod. 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@andrewcorbell7216 Hello friend good to hear from you.
      Please try to check on your spelling as I am having trouble in understanding you.
      Satan is not a TRUE GOD, as you know there are many gods, but only ONE TRUE GOD, the Father.
      We can get to the truth by NOT reading the false modern Trinitarian translations that they have twisted and even added in forgeries.
      Always go to the greek text and the hebrew to get as close as possible to the truth, and if you find contradictions, you are then misunderstanding the verse.
      GOD bless.

  • @thetrinitysolution9631
    @thetrinitysolution9631 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Response Video: th-cam.com/video/BCIZtCPEuHI/w-d-xo.html