Controversial Cashel Fleadh, Co. Tipperary, Ireland 1969
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- The Irish Countrywomen’s Association complains about drunken depravity at the Fleadh Cheoil in Cashel.
The ICA have complained about the drunkenness and bad conduct of visitors at this year’s Fleadh Cheoil na hÉireann held in Cashel and say they will do everything in their power to prevent it being held there again
This was the Tipperary town’s first time to host the annual event, a weekend-long festival of traditional music which combines competitions, sessions, parades and céilíthe, organised by Comhaltas Ceoltóirí Éireann (CCÉ).
The Fleadh Cheoil is a major financial benefit for any host town and it is estimated that approximately a quarter of a million pounds is generated wherever the venue.
Unfortunately one detrimental aspect of the festival which has been causing controversy in recent years is the type of behaviour exhibited by some who attend it.
The Cashel ICA, who are supporters of Irish culture and music, have issued strongly worded letters of condemnation to the press about the conduct of some people at the event, which took place from 31 May to Monday 2nd June.
Sheila Crowe, press officer for the local branch of the ICA says the people of Cashel did not know what they were letting themselves in for when the decision was made to host the Fleadh Cheoil na hÉireann.
Littering and drunkenness were identified as the main problems, she claims, as the streets were strewn with broken bottles and intoxicated visitors slept where they fell.
The real issue for the ICA is what Mrs Crowe and fellow Countrywomen’s Association witnessed, which was,
"Debauchery and depravity."
Only one newspaper article covering the Fleadh commented on the alleged drunkenness and hedonism that took place, and the Cashel ICA want to set the record straight,
We felt truthful reporting was not coming out from what was going on in Cashel.
Labhrás Ó Murchú, National President of CCÉ has heard allegations of this sort before, but maintains that the Fleadh was a success.
While some people overindulged in alcohol, the alleged antisocial behaviour was perpetrated by a small minority,
I don’t deny for a moment that you have certain things happening at Fleadhanna Cheoil that we wish weren’t happening there...
Leaving the issues of debauchery and depravity to the clergy, he praises Cashel Urban Council for their cleaning operation. The expected crowds of 30,000 which were due to attend the Fleadh resulted in the ratio of Gardaí increasing accordingly to 400, which is normal for this type of event.
The ICA has also claimed that 248 people required First Aid over the weekend, and were treated by the Red Cross. Surely this indicates that the Fleadh was not all it should be, and these ladies do in fact have a point? Labhrás Ó Murchú does not agree,
I don’t accept this as being any indication whatever that these things that the ICA claim to have happened have happened at the Fleadh Cheoil are true...
This report for ‘Newsbeat’ was broadcast on 24 June 1969. The reporter is Michael Ryan. - เพลง
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She's not from the parish.
She sounds like an Irish Maggie Thatcher !! if thats poss. 'The Emerald Lady'.
Better than sounding like a culchie knuckledragger...
The best part of this is at 0:1:50 she's asked for specific complaints about debauchery and awkwardly laughs and prevaricates because she's lying about having seen any or even knowing anyone who saw any, and then at 0:6:20 he correctly guesses (educated by experience with her sort) that the people making the complaint can't give any specifics because they weren't there to see, as they were, by her own admission, cowering in their houses, and wouldn't be caught dead anywhere near those tents.
Many Irish people back in the day put on a 'BBC accent' when being interviewed for television. In the UK especially, but also in Ireland.
Cultural cringe or inferiority complex i think it's called, where the colonised adopt the affect of their coloniser to appear more refined and out of embarrassment of the perceived backwardness or inferiority of their own culture.
@Secondhand Dan The resort to allegations of projection can indicate a struck nerve and a bruised ego and be ironically guilty of its own accusation: you imply I feel the cultural inferiority complex I described, whereas in reality you seem to have found offense in OP's post and my response to him, suggesting it is you who feels personally attacked because you see yourself described in our exchange.
The phenomenon I described is not limited to intercultural affect, but is also visible in relation to class. Some people adopt a "phone voice", which might be posher or more refined than their usual accent, in order to sound more "professional" or be treated better, or vice versa, adopting a more working class affect to disguise their privilege and appear more "down to earth" and also treated better, in given scenarios.
These are just general observations that are widely made about things that happen sometimes, not universal statements of fact that must necessarily happen all the time, so don't upset yourself about them.
@@nomore2001 what are you talking about old bean what what what.
Jolly hockey sticks with lashings of ginger beer old chap .
Half true. When you think of it those who wanted to progress in Ireland of a certain era spoke with an affected English accent. The woman would have been educated in the 1920's/30's. It was due to the education system at the time. Remember most of the Civil Service were still British. Nowadays people put on Puesdo-American accents.
@@nomore2001 Spot on
Gosh, how articulate the two people interviewed are. At ease with language and vocabulary and can speak without hesitancy.
It ok, today's youth will exceed them 🤣🤣
I noticed the same. Public speaking and communication was an artform.
Of the two, I wish one would just go home and nap
"Down with that sort of thing"
Careful, now.
Just a reminder that drinking pints on the street while listening to trad was considered "an orgy" in 1969. 5:38
Every trad session is an orgy.
During the Celtic Tiger years the Willie Clancy festival and the Fleadhs turned into a really messy sesh rather than being much about music but given the last 12 months I've a fierce hankering for some drunken debauchery. You can always just move towards the outskirts with the musicians as these things happen.
Down with this sort of thing now
Careful now!
@@sirjellybeans6653 it was a bit much for me, feck this and feck that, you know what I mean. Ride me sideways, that was another one.
Cashel's very own Helen Lovejoy. Damn young people going around holding hands and the like. Nearly as bad as a women wearing skirts showing their knees.
An orange woman still in Cashel in 69
Even the Queen of England doesn't have vowels that strangulated. She sounds like of those colonial relics in Australia who hated all things australian.
She sounds like a blow-in to me, had to laugh when she mentioned " Debauchery in the tents "😉 bet she's never been to Slane or Lisdoon'.
I was laughing at her snooty self lol
Bet she’s never been in a tent
@@elizabethsellors9046 Hell for her is probably electric picnic
She could do with a good ride ,,, in a tent!
She probably never had a man in her life.
A bit of debauchery is needed every now and then.🥳🥳🥳
Ah god der was Karen's in d 60s aswell😱😱😱
@Rory Well why not?
The boomers are some of the original karen templates. I mean, look at their identity crises through the decades. Hippies of the 60s are some of the most conservative, judgemental freaks of today. Sorry for overgeneralizing but you kinda end up in that place when talking Karen culture because they're such loudmouths they drown out everyone else. Let's not mention that many of the things this group bitched about were probably sourced from the very judgemental trauma their attitude created in the first place.
Id love to give her a running dropkick to the gee.
I was at that Fleadh , she doesn’t know the half of it as regards debauchery in the tents but she was wrong about everything else.
What went on 😂
@@donalgeaney626 They made babies....
@@Roo986 I got buggered and loved it.
@@Del-yv1qy were you the lad with the limp?
@@Roo986 He must have been buggererd hard if he was limping
Well I'll tell you, the debauchery and the depravity, I'd be inclined to leave to the clergy.....How right you were Labhras.
Didn't even have his tongue in his cheek.
The honesty of the guy, " leave the debauchery and depravity to the clergy" I have not laughed so much in ages.
2:32 "That is one of our chief Cribs". She's low-key gangsta
What was controversial about it wish we had it today
Ah fake news was there in 69 too😂😂
How was this fake news?
@@johnnyfeen1347 With an accent like that, she hardly represented the community in Cashel. How about talking to the locals?
@D C it's not presenting her opinion as fact though. Her claims are questioned and the second interviewee dismisses them.
@@katoness ah more people had notions back then.
No, her accent is natural(ised) , she's presented as the 'official' educated middle class spokeswoman.
It would be great to travel back in time🇮🇪🧚♂️☘
Standards were a lot higher back then when judged by todays eyes ..
The woman being interviewed, the way she laughs about the debauchery, as if she secretly approves of that kind of thing haha
She does. She just doesnt want litter and babies after the fact
She's mad she didn't get to join in lmao.
It's just a 'Twinkle' ALL irish have in their eyes 😉. .....I LOVE the Irish!!.. (all ways up for the 'Craice'. .)...
Me and my friends went to Cashel in 1969 and had a great time,yes a lot got drunk but i did not see any fighting or serious disorder. just listen to that woman,s accent it speaks volumes
@@MrResearcher122 I cant stand her Bog Irish accent
@@MrResearcher122 she needs to spit the marbles out of her mouth.
Can we hear your accent?
The og Karen, sounds like a tan
Sober up.
We all knew as soon as she started talking.
Ah now, sure what was wrong with a bit of ould debauchery? Depravity though, I wouldn't be having any of that!
Down with that sort of thing...
@@irishcountrygirl78 Careful now.
Can't believe someone actually spoke of the church like that in 1969
What was wrong with it?
@@rmilrta nothing, just can't believe we had people who thought publicly like that about the church in those days.
I honestly thought he meant he "would leave the debauchery to the clergy" as in he would leave it for them to deal with, kind of thing.. like, as if it was their area to say what was debauchery and what was right and wrong.. I didn't think he was saying anything about them as such.. in 1969 the church was the law of the land in Ireland.. so, if he was actually saying anything bad about them I'd say that would be the end of his career.. however, the way he said it, I thought it's possible he could have been giving a "sly dig" at them.. who knows.
@@Sinnerboy88 absolutely
@@AMan-zt8tz Yes, great video anyways. I really enjoy the stuff this uploader posts. Priceless really.. even old news recordings from these days, watching today it's like a time machine. Are you from Ireland yourself? Thank you and best wishes.
Ah I love a bit of debauchery me 🤣🤣🤣 🇮🇪🤘🏻
Irish country women’s association spokeswoman is a never got a ride on a tractor Brit .haha
On the ball
Ahahaha...
Trying very hard to hide being Irish, silly mare....
Pure Anglo Irish head on her.
Now now, dont blame it on the English - She does look like a very fine Irish Lady !
Good man Labhrás, what a yoke that woman was
I'd love to have been at that festival!!
I was there,it was an occasion that is stored in my memory It was my first Fleadh and the first introduction to my own culture, it was also the place where I had another first but that's a secret. 😉
@@niallmansfield2250 Glad you enjoyed yourself and got a bit of action along the way!
Another great upload
She saw the debauchery with her 'own eyes'; - and she didn't look away... she knows all about debauchery doesn't she?
She was flicking the bean off herself watching it
@@moneymandan6217 lmfao.
Another fascinating video of our past. I am wondering what her background is. I don't know if her accent is genuine or is put on
The debauchery and depravity I'd be inclined to leave to the Church - 6:31 Local bishop nods his head slowly.
Sounds like a great festival..
How terrible to be in someone elses country, and mobs of Irish, behaving as though it was there their country.
Just spotted a couple of Rockwell lads, bunking off school no doubt. LOL!!
Great video .Labhrás Ó Murchú with a lyrical masterpiece of a counter attack...hon the fleadh !!
I thought she was going to say. " I am unanimous in my decision"
Gaelic Woodstock
That woman would be hard put to represent Irish culture
Oh man, no one tell her what's happening over in Woodstock. She'd have a heart attack
I was thinking🤣
Down with that sort of thing... Careful now.
Putting on a BRITISH accent!! 🇮🇪☘🇮🇪☘
A British accent in a part of the British Isles...... Imagine
Bwahahahahhahahhahahaha
I see it is still going throughout the country but not back in Cashel.
i was 3 years old when tip was shock
Then came
Féile!!
Hahaha ruined my life...turned me into a boheme thank God
The Trip to Tipp. The was amazing
A fine example of what we called an "oul' wagon' in my day.
Wait till they see the state of Galway during Donegal Tuesday
Oh the hippie influencers of 1969
Says she with her British accent.
She lived a very sheltered life.. 😁
She has a point.
@@Kitiwake yeah, and her point is bad.
One has to wonder what went on in the minds of those ICA women.
More like CIA 😂
Down with this type of thing!
0:32 John Lennons Long Lost Tipperary Twin!
@6:27 "Well, the debauchery and the depravity I'd leave to the clergy. That's more their work."
Is that a Tipp accent?
No it’s not a Tipp accent..
@@jpmcmotor6890 A female Jackie Healy Rea...
Ole Dan Breen would have had said a few things about that accent!! Ole Wagon.
Michael Crowe ᄊc how’s it going lad
no this is a tipp accent... aj jaysssus . aghg dtydvcuuioxutztztxtctivttvvvvvvutkuvt . Wha? yvtyutvyuvtytvuyyuvuryuvytbtbtytb.. its not an accent. its not a dialect .. its a total different language !
she must havebeen jealous
Lol the first tune is "The High Reel"
Is the interviewer a younger Michael Ryan it sure looks and sounds like him.
Now all she would have to ask is if they are insured!
Some women showed a bit of leg. Disgraceful by Irish standards
Tunbridge Wells on any Saturday evening.
Bring it back now with the bypass. Her accent is a bit big house of which the cashel environs have plenty. Cashel abú.
People having fun...disgraceful
Unfortunately, in today's world, one of the main Irish pub music sessions in San Diego, CA was called off due to drunks downtown. A mixture of tourists, sailors, transients, travelers, and some locals. All loud, ignorant and, at times, bothering the musicians. Trying to play our instruments when they're drunk, singing loudly.. and rudely even. Talking to us while we're in the middle of playing. Just annoying. I lived in Ireland for a year and people don't get trashy drunk. Ok, well sometimes they do, yet it's in a self-controlled way. You can't tell Irish people are drunk, 99% of the time. There is the one percent. Haha. But Americans get "fucked up" and "wasted" when we go out: we go OUT..
Shame theres not more like her around now with all the sickening depravity and depauchery everywhere
Debauchery and depravity no less 😳
That was me pulling the box out of a young wan at the start of the clip
Lol lol!
She speaks with an English accent. Who is this person. Its an Irish tradition.. We are Irish in Ireland.. Also she is very annoying to listen to.. Some words I never ever heard before 🇮🇪🙄
What was the date of this fleadh does anyone know? I was born in November of that year
You arrived too early to be a product of the debauchery😌, it was the end of May, start of June.
The had a practice run in February 😝
@@nedi1150 Thanks; no doubt there may have been a baba or two sprouted from this wee bash, and I may have indeed passed them in the street.
@@lordsod69 Oh indeed, I'm sure we've all met one over the years.
@@nedi1150 My story was scandalous enough; a love child of a priest and a nurse and born in a mother and baby home; they are still together and I can't wait to see them again after a whole year apart.
A handsome woman, all the same. I'd like to bring her to a plateau >>>> peak of passion.
The legions of something or other...
Jaysus if only the big fleadh was still like this! Woooot!!!
01:33 Is that Tom Waits?
what a yoke
Disgraceful behaviour
It’s no fake accent, she’s just a rich Protestant
Is this the Irish version of Mary whitehouse
@5:23 with her fake English posh accent she admits shell use propaganda if she has to stop Irish people from having fun.
Just because she doesnt sound like the village idiot doesnt make her any less Irish.
The fleadh isn't like that now.
omg, shes fucking raging! Watch the eyes blink menacingly lol
3:46 "The howwwling of the crowwwd"
You can tell that she's wonderfully titillated but it all. They're far too repressed to participate, so talking about it like she is, especially in meetings with their friends, is how they experience it vicariously.
Irish Mary Whitehouse!!
..... obviouslya very superior type of human being compared to us riffraff !
For fuck sakes
Sadly I have never been to any festivals like this, nothing bigger than a gig with a few hundred people or a club, as I used to spend all my money on GAA and Ireland football tickets. However jaysus it would make you glad you weren't around in 1969. That lad in the last 3 mins got a lot less air time but himself and the journalist were right-middle aged women with medieval values who never leave their villages and like to politburo local politics by committee will never tolerate social life or public festivals. Sure look at the same types now, in their seventies and eighties, they can't even tolerate an apartment building down the road FFS cos it'd drive down the value of their own overpriced crapholes. Sure when that lady was growing up in the 1930's she'd probably have been whipped by her Da or made shovel shite for a week for kissing a boy, no wonder she's so agitated as that fella said about what even back then was a normal once a year event.
Did she see the faeries and pixies too. Come on reporter.
Without women like her nothing would stay in check.
0:32 Micheal Lowrey???
Thought the same
An old Crowe.
People had great skin and features then as most were breastfed as infants and fed a boring but organic diet!!
what load bull rip
He sounded like a real journalist......ahh the old days.
He is the man who used present nationwide.
She’s bitter because she wasn’t invited but her hairdresser was hence she’s never had a decent hairstyle since.
even Karen's were around back then
The pioneer Karen
Ha ha ha leave it for the clergy :-)