Copperplate - Straight vs Oblique Holder

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  • เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 มี.ค. 2021
  • Why is knowing what you are doing so important? Why is knowing exactly what the script is a necessity? Should you know how to really LOOK at the scripts? Is tool accuracy truly important?
    If you are happy just doing pretty writing then make sure you are responsible for what you tell people it is cause it can wreak havoc on beginners because they look up to you!
    You are careful in your professional life and protect it, so why do you choose not to protect my profession?
    The Copperplate Catch Up Classes is all about delving deeper into the script and this comes at the price of relinquishing your naivety.
    I know this is a bit of a rant, but we must stand up and make our voices be counted. We must be accountable and hold others accountable. It is done in every profession so why not ours.
    @pascribe @tncaligrafia
    #pascribe #pascriber #calligraphy #ligatures #flourishing #copperplate #ligatures #pascribescript #4foldsymmetry #pascribegeometry #pointedpen #accuracy #writing #handwriting #handwritten #formal #traditional #lecture #workshop #learning

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  • @marknovak9310
    @marknovak9310 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Mr. Antonio, thank you for showing me a way to learn Copperplate (your Copperplate, that is) in a systematic way that I find tremendous joy in!!!!! I have been viewing many of your courses and videos and finally I am ready to begin. Pencil first and then once I have the letters figured out on paper on to using nibs. I love you the sharing your passion to help a novice like me to see a better way to learn!!!!!!!

    • @PAScribe
      @PAScribe  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I am glad you like the system I developed. Welcome to the community.

  • @giacomoitri3369
    @giacomoitri3369 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Seeing Pascribe's videos you realize that: the oblique nib was not created for the copperplate but for the spencerian, my posture for writing is wrong, the nibs I use are designed for manga.
    One part of me is feeling bad, the other is feeling better and thanking you deeply for the teachings.
    🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

    • @PAScribe
      @PAScribe  2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Welcome to the straight and narrow ;-)

  • @warrenvaz4229
    @warrenvaz4229 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Hi Paul, Honestly I absolutely adore your work and you are closer to God when it comes to Copperplate. Because of your work and videos I was greatly able to understand the script and appreciate it for what it is. When I just started off , I was like I could achieve this only with an oblique holder but using a straight holder all the time now I realise how unique and delicate the writing gets. Keep making such great instructional videos because they are such a great resource for someone starting out and really make a difference.

  • @marinechapssemperfiout9939
    @marinechapssemperfiout9939 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is beautiful teaching! Thank you kindly, sir!

  • @marinechapssemperfiout9939
    @marinechapssemperfiout9939 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Another outstanding presentation and commentary. I especially enjoy the passion! Semper Fi

  • @LianaChaouli
    @LianaChaouli 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Thank you for sharing your experience, your mastery and doing it with such rigor. The embodiment of this great art form relies on such subtle yet vast distinctions and your detailed teachings are delivering all the standards required for us to learn, practice and grow. I'm so grateful to have found you.

    • @PAScribe
      @PAScribe  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Glad you find the depth of approach helpful.

    • @Mrlonewolfofficial
      @Mrlonewolfofficial ปีที่แล้ว

      Sir Can You Teach Me Please

  • @eleganciadoodles8270
    @eleganciadoodles8270 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thank u sm. This was so so helpful. I was tbh unaware that I was doing it wrong !!!! U are a life saver

  • @Big-O-
    @Big-O- ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you so much for sharing your experience and your passion! I agree with all of your words about respect your profession and research the information about things that we're doing! Greetings from Ukraine!!

  • @ShafiUllah
    @ShafiUllah 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I was thrillingly waiting for your video. Thanks for sharing. Wishing you and your family a blessed day ❤️

  • @minali2897
    @minali2897 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Everytime I watch ur TH-cam..that inspired me a lot! Thanks

  • @KayCee0216
    @KayCee0216 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have been watching your videos and I cannot. I repeat, I cannot get enough of everything you have to say, and all the knowledge you share, and how you talk as if it’s just me you’re sitting in front of. I have scoured the web. I have scoured TH-cam in search of learning calligraphy. And watching all the differences it has become so very very confusing to me as everyone seems to use different instruments, different size lines, different degrees of angles, and no one actually shares what degree to use for which script and which instrument best suits a beginner. Therefore I have not begun practicing anything. I watched one of your videos that explained the line. When I was young and my mother began teaching me calligraphy I asked her many questions about where my lines started and ended. To me, they were never the same, even as a young child, I could see that some started at the top of that top, Some started at the middle of that top line and some started at the bottom of that top line. She became frustrated with me thinking that I was trying to be difficult. That ended my young calligraphy teachings. So you can imagine my surprise that now I’m getting ready to turn 60 and hear you discuss in one of your interviews with the happy crafter that same exact dilemma that I faced as a child. After watching hundreds of videos and watching many, many of yours, I have decided that the best thing for me is to begin with a pencil. I stopped this video to create this comment, because that is right in line with what you are saying at this exact time. 41:48 into this video I had yet another AHHH moment. I thank you for telling us exactly which pencils to start with and which pencils to graduate two and I’m hoping to hear within this video, which angle I should be practicing with. I just can’t tell you enough how happy that I came across your interview with a happy crafter after at least 100 or more hours of watching tutorials and demonstrations of what people are calling calligraphy, and doesn’t actually look like calligraphy, but rather artwork. And it’s pretty yes, but not actually calligraphy in my opinion. thank you for all you share with us and I am going to continue to watch every second of every video you’ve posted, including anything I can find as interview with others.

    • @PAScribe
      @PAScribe  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I am glad you find the content useful and illuminating. You clearly had it in you as a child but you mum didn’t have the answers and that can be incredibly frustrating for both parties. Take your time and correct your work with a red ink pen so you can see what needs to be corrected.

    • @KayCee0216
      @KayCee0216 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@PAScribe yes, I heard that excellent suggestion from you in another video as well. Thank you

    • @KayCee0216
      @KayCee0216 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I am currently listening and taking notes about the progression from a regular every day HB pencil to the better pencils and the beginner nibs. I’m keeping a notebook so that I have reference to look back on when the time comes to use a noob and holder.

  • @4toni729
    @4toni729 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    You explain so clearly. My primary school in Western Australia in the early 80's taught what I was told was copperplate using pencil with a lot of focus on pressure before we could get our fountain pen licenses. When I moved to the otherside of the country, the school made me change to a modern style cursive and it changed my writing. I don't really know what style I was taught but will now have a look at the different styles you mentioned.
    Can I ask where to find the lectures you talk about that is on teachable, as well as where I can find the manual?

  • @sebikasaha9939
    @sebikasaha9939 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great

  • @antoniov9117
    @antoniov9117 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Congratulations Mr. Antonio, you are on another level, I am infinitely grateful for your valuable recommendations and information.
    For those of us who don't speak the language it's not easy, but I will try to get the most out of your channel 100%.
    I think I have the capacity for it and I am about to enter the fascinating COPPERPLATE universe, unfortunately you come across different theories and recommendations. I think I will follow your advice and I wouldn't want to create bad habits.
    You do incredible work with your pen, you are a true artist and I support your philosophy of maintaining and respecting what is authentic above all else. I would like to start with the right tools for someone starting out with COPPERPLATE writing
    I have some question. When you write COPPERPLATE:
    Do you support the bottom of your hand?
    Who directs the movements, the fingers, the hand, the arm...?
    Please, can you recommend a specific type of pen? For starters, perhaps the best is with a refillable cartridge, what do you think?
    Thank you very much, best regards from Spain

    • @PAScribe
      @PAScribe  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I am glad you like the content. All the questions you are are quite complex and very long to answer however they are all covered in my online course. I hope you get a chance to study the online course. All the best Paul

  • @antoniov9117
    @antoniov9117 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Felicidades Señor Antonio, estas en otro nivel, agradecer infinitamente tus valiosas recomendaciones e información
    Para quienes no dominamos el idioma no es fácil, pero intentaré exprimir tu canal al 100%.
    Creo que tengo capacidad para ello y estoy a punto de introducirme en el fascinante universo COPPERPLATE, desgraciadamente te encuentras diferentes teorías y recomendaciones. Creo que seguiré tus consejos y no me gustaría crear malos hábitos.
    Haces un trabajo increíble con tu pluma, eres un verdadero artista y apoyo tu filosofía de mantener y respetar lo auténtico por encima de todo. Me gustaría empezar con las herramientas adecuadas para alguien que comienza con la escritura COPPERPLATE
    Tengo alguna pregunta. Cuando escribes COPPERPLATE:
    ¿ Apoyas la parte inferior de la mano ?
    ¿ Quien dirige los movimientos, los dedos, la mano, el brazo...?
    Por favor, ¿puedes recomendarme algún tipo de pluma específico?, para empezar quizás lo mejor sea con cartucho recargable, ¿que opinas?
    Muchas gracias, saludos cordiales desde España

    • @PAScribe
      @PAScribe  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thanks for this but if you need an answer you will need to post this in English.

  • @danharu995
    @danharu995 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video! What is the best nib for the amateurs or news in copperplate?

  • @muminkabiryXIX
    @muminkabiryXIX 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Excuse me for my respons bc it's off topic... Antonio... Confrater I just want to mention youre divine knowledge.. I had all youre writing books (grey, black en the blue CF)... My man I wrote with silver on the black one... I sent it to a woman with a red wax seal.. And now she adores me. Thank you and please make different colors from the rhodia line! Amzing paper! And excuse me I live in Belgium and in English is not my main language. But keep on the good work haha

    • @AMETHYSTANGEL216
      @AMETHYSTANGEL216 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I agree with Mehrdad. I respectfully request a royal purple (dark) with grey lines.

    • @muminkabiryXIX
      @muminkabiryXIX 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@AMETHYSTANGEL216 Thank God for you're reaction... Wauw purple.. With gold ink.. Amazing !!! Thank you Dianne!

    • @AMETHYSTANGEL216
      @AMETHYSTANGEL216 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@muminkabiryXIX I recommended gray so that I could use gold ink. Gold lines would look weird. Very light grey lines would have a very light chalk-like effect and interact well with both muted and bright colors ~ like the black lines on his black pads ~ barely discernible. The only challenge for me would be needing glasses for my glasses. !!! LOL

    • @AMETHYSTANGEL216
      @AMETHYSTANGEL216 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Misread on my part. You didn't say anything about gold lines. Sorry :-(

    • @muminkabiryXIX
      @muminkabiryXIX 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@AMETHYSTANGEL216 No you did it very well.. I was just imagining youre idea purple paper writing it with gold ink... You did it very well :-)

  • @vandl107
    @vandl107 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    So... I've been hearing Niko G. this & that about how good they are for beginners. Then i find numerous PA videos and now I'm reconsidering my choices. If anyone can add further info preferably from hands on experience I'd appreciate it! KEEP ✍ WRITING

    • @baebaebaebae6340
      @baebaebaebae6340 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I've started with drawing G nibs because they're generally available and I felt frustrated everytime they don't start and that I can't get great contrast in lines. Writing with the calligraphy nibs are on a different level. Very satisfactory. I hope I started with calligraphy nibs in the first place. The Hunt 22 is great for me as a beginner. I love the Leonardt Principal too, which is finer. I'm interested on what you guys got for starters

  • @tzus2ndacc338
    @tzus2ndacc338 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hello! I’m an Asian and I want to learn copperplate as well, I was mainly work on gothic textura and Fraktur. I bought my straight holder and a few nibs, but I’m looking for the worksheet of minuscule and majuscule, which or where do you recommend me to get those examples?
    I want to learn from the very basic and also flourishing,
    Thank you 🙏🏼

  • @ProximaCentauri88
    @ProximaCentauri88 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I saw a guy doing "Spencerian" and I was so amazed but soon realized he was just doing Palmer with Spencerian swells.

    • @PAScribe
      @PAScribe  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      And that too is entirely possible as Palmer developed out of Spencerian.

    • @ProximaCentauri88
      @ProximaCentauri88 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@PAScribe Wow! Thanks for clarifying that!

  • @marinechapssemperfiout9939
    @marinechapssemperfiout9939 ปีที่แล้ว

    Please tell me about the manual you were talking about. Where can I buy this manual as well as your lines guide?

    • @PAScribe
      @PAScribe  ปีที่แล้ว

      email TheStudio@pascribe.com when I am back I will contact you

    • @marinechapssemperfiout9939
      @marinechapssemperfiout9939 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@PAScribe will do and thank you. Fr. Robert+

  • @MartinusRex
    @MartinusRex 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Would someone please tell me what paper he uses? I can't find one that is thin enough to show the lines and still good enough for nib and tin.

    • @false-set
      @false-set 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Tomoe river 52gsm works great. But I think he's using layout paper, not sure the brand. Check his website for a free download. Pdf for a bunch of paper recommendations

    • @PAScribe
      @PAScribe  3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      London Graphic Centre Layout Paper

    • @MartinusRex
      @MartinusRex 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@PAScribe Wonderful. Thank you very much.

  • @garycarroll9447
    @garycarroll9447 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can loading your pen with a paint brush help improve your writing.

    • @PAScribe
      @PAScribe  ปีที่แล้ว

      They way you load the nib is down to the fluid you are writing with. Improving comes with concerted directed practice.

  • @naz8599
    @naz8599 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Reasons to use a:
    Oblique pen: Goofy ahh pen 💀
    Straight pen:
    Actually oblique pens were not made for Coppeplate script instead they were made for Spencerian so ur wrong im right get rekt🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓
    just kidding i am not calling a man who spended 25 years for an art a "🤓" who wants to preserve his art