She sucks both in low rank and High rank, in the First case laners Will feed while in the second case u Will get countered. Her ult area should be bigger and yh She needs a buff damage, i mean u cant gank and cant cc so u have to do damage. Fun Hero when u Can use her, but most of the times She cant be used at all.
The issue is that she needs to make stacks, which is hard to do in a team fight as you’ll be taking hits from everyone. So you sacrifice damage for defense. Once you get the stacks, she does true damage, but the enemy also needs to be in the circle to get extra damage, which is not easy to do as most players will just run away when she ults. That’s the other issue, her ult. When she ults, just run away and she’ll be useless. There are ways to get additional damage, such as using staves of sorcery or frostscars embrace after using a skill. It won’t be a huge damage, but chip damage that adds up as you build up stacks. The issue with these 2 items is that they don’t stack. If they stack, it would benefit her a lot. Frostscar will give cooldown, mana and defense. Stave of sorcery will give damage, movement speed and mana.
Speaking about those 2 items, the biggest gripe i have with Stave of Sorcery is its CD is 3s, way longer than Frostcar Embrace which is only 1,2s. That's probably the biggest drawback that prevent SoS from being a good item on some magic heroes like Luna, Heino, Sima Yi, and most importantly, Diao Chan
few questions: Why are you recommending BA enhancing equipment? Isn't diao chan a skill mage? The delay is long enough as it is in between 2 second skills to throw a 1st skill but a BA as well? sounds too risky imo.
With diochan it's something that seems crazy if you use it well, if it's true you need the items and you have to have a very low cooldown so you can spawn the skills But seeing the point of view that it depends a lot on whether it is conditional and that it has to depend on taming and tempo like that?, I think there should be a Buff Although he needs a damage buff and another that should extend his ultimate area more, I think it would be a good idea for him to put pressure on when they see a Diochan ulti. Since Diochan may be very likely to be able to do pentakill or just scare the opponent
Risk-y is understatement, she is not even beginner friendly since she need good rotation and know when to dive into teamfight. She is very good at one on one though but since many player will just Dash away when her ult making her kinda pointless if no one engaging first and take the aggro ..... Or just do a combo with sun ce...
@@kyouitv yes and her overall movement speed is kinda lacking, the close example to her is kong ming. But unlike her, kongming have more liberty to dive in,deal damage,faster clearing,somehow faster rotation and not dependant on ult If they gonna rework i think taking look at kong ming is a good example
Especially she needs to know all other hero skill mechanics by heart to be able to notice the skill animation happening and use 2nd skill as necessary. So yeah. not beginner friendly at all.
I can see Diaochan being really good if you have friends playing with you. A support like Guiguzi can work wonders for Diaochan, since he can easily group enemies up, allowing Diaochan to burst them down easily. If followed up with CC from other characters, equipment, or even just stun, it can greatly increase room for error. If I were to create a team comp around Diaochan, I would do the following: Ata clash lane - Ata is really tanky, giving some bulk to the team. His ult can also help prevent enemies from running away. Diaochan jungle - This fixes several of her major problems, such as mana and gold reliance. Lady Zhen mid - Her CC can create plenty of opportunities for Diaochan. If needed, she can also run a half-tank CD build, since she isn't the damage dealer. In this case, Intimidate would work great on her in order to protect Diaochan. Guiguzi support- Mentioned earlier. Marco Polo farm lane- Marco can do great damage himself. This is helped by the fact that he usually runs stun to help him do more damage with his ult. He also works well with Guiguzi here, since he can do high damage in a smallish AOE around him. If needed, Diaochan can also give her red buff to Marco to help him do more damage. This team isn't as reliant on gold as a good portion of teams, since only Diaochan and Marco are reliant on gold to do damage, whereas sometimes the mage (and maybe even the clash laner!) needs a lot of gold to actually function. If the team isn't doing so well, Diaochan and Marco can always just take the top and mid minions as well.
she's my main on mid and i do agree that she needs to have a gold advantage early game and make sure that she don't die much. once you die early or mid game, you'll keep dying throughout the match. but she's the most fun to play on mid for me with shangguan. they hard to master though but definitely worth it to use them. just be wise in using her ult and going in and out of battles 😭
When that one lucky match comes after like 10 losses with her and she gets a few minutes of her requirements... she'll be really fun to play 💀 . . I'm still trying to make her my main mid with mei
The key to this hero is kiting the enemy into our zone, not charging into enemy zone like in min 07.10 Just blink right left or back.. btw ur skill 1 is pure damage on the way back to ur hero and thats enough hurt even for tank hero
Tbh the best way i can see for her to improve is either by turning her into a duelist, with an ult similar to LoL's Camille/Fuzi were she can separate her objective from their teammates and remain inside her domain (teammates can still attack her thats why i'm not saying Hai Yue/Morde) and buffing her single target passive dmg. But i'm afraid she'll seem as too over powered since its either kill her or get killed Or by going to farm lane for the gold lead (like Erin being a magic dmg dps w support) and trying to keep the dmg with phys dmg supports/phys dmg teammates (there is Shouyue in mid but u'll be trusting his aim + gambling your dps's dmg output)
I wonder if she's viable as a Farm Laner, specifically a tempo FL to shut down opposing MM before they come online (think of Fang or Shouyue). I feel like most of her issues come from the fact that she's used in Mid Lane (no frontline/support, slow gold+xp income leading to slow scaling, no CC to help control the tempo). All of that could be solved by putting her in Farm Lane. Obviously, the biggest downside of FL Diao Chan especially in soloq is that her team might not have a physical DPS hero, which could bring a whole load of problems during drafting. Slotting in Revenge Li Xin or Fuzi to fix that isn't the best solution either due to their situational matchups. With all that being said, i think there's potential there considering DC's counterpart in MLBB, Harith, was more viable in the Gold Lane instead of the Mid Lane
@@Sushiloveratsushi yeah she is very fun to play, my score is 7-1 under 10 minutes i even bully shangguan damn what a shame aguedo ruin me. The end is 8-5 and defeat. Cant do much really in solo ranked the matchmaking sometimes so stupid.
After using the ultimate, should we focus on using skills 1 and 2 or just skill 2? Which is better because I often play Harith in Mobile Legend and feel confused?
@@OMEGA281 If you play Harith often you'd probably find yourself using basic attacks after S2 but you'd be better off not using basic attacks and just focus on positioning yourself better for the next S2 dash. And as kyoui said you have to use both s1 and s2
If 1st and 2nd conditions are unlocked, most other midlaners can carry the game as well lol, and with less difficulty to boot, in short, youre telling us dont play her on mmr, especially high tier ones, if you really love her, play her on normal games and have fun
@@K1Calek other mage heroes doesn't need any conditions for them to be played And if you are looking for an extreme difficult game then just pick these kind of heroes It will make your game much harder lol
she got nerf both directly and indirectly. they nerfed her max health increasing by levels, making her even more squishy in late game. besides, they have extended the overall map by 20%, so it's kinda suck for low-mobility heroes like her to gank and sp teams. but recently she got a new buff again, so nothing really happens😝
I never understood her playstyle. You have to be up close but she's squishy and have no healing, no shield or anything to help her survive. The damage isn't there and the little invincibility she gains is no help much.
@@butterflieswillbreakyourheart yeah 10 matches and still figuring her out, shes super good only if her teams are snowballing otherwise she's crap, and her only good match up is someone like dr bian/ganmo who cannot escape ☠️
That's why she is a very conditional hero If you couldn't be able to meet the requirement then don't pick her up otherwise you will have a very miserable match
as a main of both lauriel and diaochan, i got some comments about them. diaochan is the original version of lauriel in aov. but in contrast to lauriel who can be played in almost matches if u are used to her, diaochan cannot be picked unconditionally and uncalculatedly because of her short- ranged skills and low damage for both magical and true damage as well as her squishiness in even the late game.
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She DEFINITELY needs a damage buff and a pasive buff, her dmg is ridiculously low for a hero that has almost no CC
Need buff for skill 1 like lauriel on AoV
She sucks both in low rank and High rank, in the First case laners Will feed while in the second case u Will get countered. Her ult area should be bigger and yh She needs a buff damage, i mean u cant gank and cant cc so u have to do damage. Fun Hero when u Can use her, but most of the times She cant be used at all.
I dont think she needs a damage buff. But she really does need a range buff on her s2 imo
absolutely but fortunately she has got a new buff on healing ability and skill2 rang but that isn't enough to make her return to the meta🤧
I don't use Diaochan myself.
....but I just love how she walks.
The issue is that she needs to make stacks, which is hard to do in a team fight as you’ll be taking hits from everyone. So you sacrifice damage for defense. Once you get the stacks, she does true damage, but the enemy also needs to be in the circle to get extra damage, which is not easy to do as most players will just run away when she ults. That’s the other issue, her ult. When she ults, just run away and she’ll be useless.
There are ways to get additional damage, such as using staves of sorcery or frostscars embrace after using a skill. It won’t be a huge damage, but chip damage that adds up as you build up stacks. The issue with these 2 items is that they don’t stack. If they stack, it would benefit her a lot. Frostscar will give cooldown, mana and defense. Stave of sorcery will give damage, movement speed and mana.
Speaking about those 2 items, the biggest gripe i have with Stave of Sorcery is its CD is 3s, way longer than Frostcar Embrace which is only 1,2s. That's probably the biggest drawback that prevent SoS from being a good item on some magic heroes like Luna, Heino, Sima Yi, and most importantly, Diao Chan
few questions: Why are you recommending BA enhancing equipment? Isn't diao chan a skill mage? The delay is long enough as it is in between 2 second skills to throw a 1st skill but a BA as well? sounds too risky imo.
maybe her final skill must be changed not area but buff herself
With diochan it's something that seems crazy if you use it well, if it's true you need the items and you have to have a very low cooldown so you can spawn the skills
But seeing the point of view that it depends a lot on whether it is conditional and that it has to depend on taming and tempo like that?, I think there should be a Buff
Although he needs a damage buff and another that should extend his ultimate area more, I think it would be a good idea for him to put pressure on when they see a Diochan ulti.
Since Diochan may be very likely to be able to do pentakill or just scare the opponent
Also i have been leveling up 2nd skill first thinking every level reduces it cd like a similar hero in mlbb lol. Thanks for making me realize
Risk-y is understatement, she is not even beginner friendly since she need good rotation and know when to dive into teamfight. She is very good at one on one though but since many player will just Dash away when her ult making her kinda pointless if no one engaging first and take the aggro .....
Or just do a combo with sun ce...
She doesn't have any cc for her to rotate
And her clearing is quite slow
And she is also not built to damage during early game
@@kyouitv yes and her overall movement speed is kinda lacking, the close example to her is kong ming. But unlike her, kongming have more liberty to dive in,deal damage,faster clearing,somehow faster rotation and not dependant on ult
If they gonna rework i think taking look at kong ming is a good example
Kong ming has a revamp in china server which makes him more reliable now
Unlike diaochan she is just way too risky to play
Especially she needs to know all other hero skill mechanics by heart to be able to notice the skill animation happening and use 2nd skill as necessary. So yeah. not beginner friendly at all.
I can see Diaochan being really good if you have friends playing with you.
A support like Guiguzi can work wonders for Diaochan, since he can easily group enemies up, allowing Diaochan to burst them down easily. If followed up with CC from other characters, equipment, or even just stun, it can greatly increase room for error.
If I were to create a team comp around Diaochan, I would do the following:
Ata clash lane - Ata is really tanky, giving some bulk to the team. His ult can also help prevent enemies from running away.
Diaochan jungle - This fixes several of her major problems, such as mana and gold reliance.
Lady Zhen mid - Her CC can create plenty of opportunities for Diaochan. If needed, she can also run a half-tank CD build, since she isn't the damage dealer. In this case, Intimidate would work great on her in order to protect Diaochan.
Guiguzi support- Mentioned earlier.
Marco Polo farm lane- Marco can do great damage himself. This is helped by the fact that he usually runs stun to help him do more damage with his ult. He also works well with Guiguzi here, since he can do high damage in a smallish AOE around him. If needed, Diaochan can also give her red buff to Marco to help him do more damage.
This team isn't as reliant on gold as a good portion of teams, since only Diaochan and Marco are reliant on gold to do damage, whereas sometimes the mage (and maybe even the clash laner!) needs a lot of gold to actually function. If the team isn't doing so well, Diaochan and Marco can always just take the top and mid minions as well.
Oh god this turned into a whole essay on a potential Diaochan team comp
Someone please try this and tell me how it goes
she's my main on mid and i do agree that she needs to have a gold advantage early game and make sure that she don't die much. once you die early or mid game, you'll keep dying throughout the match. but she's the most fun to play on mid for me with shangguan. they hard to master though but definitely worth it to use them. just be wise in using her ult and going in and out of battles 😭
When that one lucky match comes after like 10 losses with her and she gets a few minutes of her requirements... she'll be really fun to play 💀 . . I'm still trying to make her my main mid with mei
More and more I play her the more appreciation I get for those chinese players who tower dive with diao chan and come out unscathed.
The key to this hero is kiting the enemy into our zone, not charging into enemy zone like in min 07.10
Just blink right left or back.. btw ur skill 1 is pure damage on the way back to ur hero and thats enough hurt even for tank hero
The true damage isn't really helping that much tbh
Like imagine you are dealing with a 10k hp and your true damage only deals 200 lol
And shes a very team-dependent hero and requires a lot of babysitting to be able to survive and be useful in teamfights.
Tbh the best way i can see for her to improve is either by turning her into a duelist, with an ult similar to LoL's Camille/Fuzi were she can separate her objective from their teammates and remain inside her domain (teammates can still attack her thats why i'm not saying Hai Yue/Morde) and buffing her single target passive dmg.
But i'm afraid she'll seem as too over powered since its either kill her or get killed
Or by going to farm lane for the gold lead (like Erin being a magic dmg dps w support) and trying to keep the dmg with phys dmg supports/phys dmg teammates (there is Shouyue in mid but u'll be trusting his aim + gambling your dps's dmg output)
Definitely needs massive buffs on the range of her skills
So when is the Jungle Diaochan guide?
I wonder if she's viable as a Farm Laner, specifically a tempo FL to shut down opposing MM before they come online (think of Fang or Shouyue). I feel like most of her issues come from the fact that she's used in Mid Lane (no frontline/support, slow gold+xp income leading to slow scaling, no CC to help control the tempo). All of that could be solved by putting her in Farm Lane.
Obviously, the biggest downside of FL Diao Chan especially in soloq is that her team might not have a physical DPS hero, which could bring a whole load of problems during drafting. Slotting in Revenge Li Xin or Fuzi to fix that isn't the best solution either due to their situational matchups. With all that being said, i think there's potential there considering DC's counterpart in MLBB, Harith, was more viable in the Gold Lane instead of the Mid Lane
she can just switch lane with your marksman in bot lane
just like the case with heino they are both garbage in the mid lane
Dang i just use her, and at early to midgame she is good.. toward late game is kinda sucks
Yeah she also needs good teammates, but overall i play her for the fun:3
@@Sushiloveratsushi yeah she is very fun to play, my score is 7-1 under 10 minutes i even bully shangguan damn what a shame aguedo ruin me. The end is 8-5 and defeat. Cant do much really in solo ranked the matchmaking sometimes so stupid.
@@Panguobsc she's a late game beast, she's immune when she dashes so make sure to set-up the perfect ult
@@ironheart4375no she is not
wdym? she's insane in late game... as long as you don't keep dying early on lol
15:58 I think its a good idea to change the boots to resistance one cuz you have 70% cd reduction here and its pointless
Well yeah... But I'm somehow about to sell the boots anyway
After using the ultimate, should we focus on using skills 1 and 2 or just skill 2? Which is better because I often play Harith in Mobile Legend and feel confused?
you need both to easily proc her passive
@@OMEGA281 If you play Harith often you'd probably find yourself using basic attacks after S2 but you'd be better off not using basic attacks and just focus on positioning yourself better for the next S2 dash.
And as kyoui said you have to use both s1 and s2
buff on speed, buff petal speed, more health
After Charlotte and now diaochan 2 heroes that need 2 core cdr item.
Do kongming next, with his limited skin if you obtained it
Well I'm still waiting for hok to give me tokens🤣
Yeah she need either a Buff or a Revamp badly
If 1st and 2nd conditions are unlocked, most other midlaners can carry the game as well lol, and with less difficulty to boot, in short, youre telling us dont play her on mmr, especially high tier ones, if you really love her, play her on normal games and have fun
@@K1Calek other mage heroes doesn't need any conditions for them to be played
And if you are looking for an extreme difficult game then just pick these kind of heroes
It will make your game much harder lol
Meanwhile daji gets a rework on her skillset in the future and diaochan doesnt given any buff rip diaochan mains
can you make video about how to counter ming & adc strat?
Ming is easy to kill just pick kui
Use princess frost/xiao qiao since he doesnt have blink
Need to buff her skill 2 and skill 3 range and skill1 damage
She looks more like a passive mage.
Does she was better before the nerv (her ult got nerved on healing and DMG she was healing a lot)
@@yeon99.200 I think she has never got any buffs and nerfs previously
@@kyouitv she got in middle east server like 5 months ago we got game before the global so
@@yeon99.200 not sure about it
she got nerf both directly and indirectly. they nerfed her max health increasing by levels, making her even more squishy in late game. besides, they have extended the overall map by 20%, so it's kinda suck for low-mobility heroes like her to gank and sp teams. but recently she got a new buff again, so nothing really happens😝
@@utbuiutanvinh402 the new buff is kinda op her healing with little tank build similar to lam healing before nerf
I feel like she doesnt do enough damage for her playstyle
Hey i got a question, i want to know if there going to be more items in the shop. or if in china server have more items
Item shop?
@@kyouitv I mean the shop where you buy holy grail or boots etc.
@@eduardogomezcornejo519 they usually don't update that much item
I never understood her playstyle. You have to be up close but she's squishy and have no healing, no shield or anything to help her survive. The damage isn't there and the little invincibility she gains is no help much.
@@butterflieswillbreakyourheart yeah 10 matches and still figuring her out, shes super good only if her teams are snowballing otherwise she's crap, and her only good match up is someone like dr bian/ganmo who cannot escape ☠️
That's why she is a very conditional hero
If you couldn't be able to meet the requirement then don't pick her up otherwise you will have a very miserable match
as a main of both lauriel and diaochan, i got some comments about them. diaochan is the original version of lauriel in aov. but in contrast to lauriel who can be played in almost matches if u are used to her, diaochan cannot be picked unconditionally and uncalculatedly because of her short- ranged skills and low damage for both magical and true damage as well as her squishiness in even the late game.
Lauriel in aov is diaochan in hok?
Yup
She is a weaker Ahri or Harith. Her damage is insulting and she has no cc.
Her ult is so useless
The ult should move with her lke xiao qiao's one
Or need a complete rework
she hasn't got her rework ever since