For sum.reason I can't comment like normal it's only letting me reply to a comment. But I've been watching slot of ur videos and I am mainly a forehand thrower with lots of baseball background. But just purely from watching this video I feel like if ur last throw was 891 then my sidearm has to be at least a 1000. But yet I only hit about 350' on my drives. I understand everything u said about the pop. Ally of times I throw farther with really even reaching back the far but just from the snap/pop.
Might want a blanket or foam mats on the floor in front of net to keep your tech disc from smacking against a hard floor. Expensive lesson to be learned. Thanks for the forehand info!
I love these tech disc videos because it highlights how little effort is necessary for certain stats. It's easy to see stats and go oh I just need more effort to increase speed and rpms. But in reality, it's more about finding the right movement and smoothness. Once you have the right movement and smoothness you can then focus on increasing the intensity of the effort. I've thrown too many times into my net thinking I just need to throw it harder haha. Don't let your effort compromise the integrity of your form.
I always stacked my fingers and had most pressure from the pointer finger cause that felt natural. After watching this I decided to try a bit with my middle finger instead and the snap was way cleaner, wobble wasn't visible and the flight was more true. So I'm going to be practicing this more but so far I'm convinced you helped my forehand with just that one change. Funny how something so small makes such a difference.
Re: D'Clip - I like this cue because it explicitly shows what part of the disc we're trying to leverage. In a round, if my forehand is feeling a little off, I focus on "throwing an axe" so that I'm really slinging the outer edge of the disc around. It's also my cue for throwing thumbers and tomahawks. While I have a baseball background, you don't want to throw an overhead shot like a ball; it can do some damage to your elbow. (Don't) Ask me how I know.
Lots of grip comments - I started using one finger grip, tried & tried different variations of grips & am now back to index only. I think it comes down to shape/size of hands/fingers, particularly variation between index / middle fingers. Pro Joe A says 'grip like this' but your hand is built different.
Do you have a video of what you're using for your home setup? I'm thinking of setting something up in my garage and I think you've changed your throwing pad over the years. I'd love some advice to get things on the right track if you or anyone has some recommendations. Keep up the great content!
If you can't throw forehand following the seemingly universal middle finger grip take a second right now even without a disc and put your index finger in front of your middle finger and try and hinge your wrist (just flop it back and forth). Now put the middle finger in front. I have no resistance with my index finger in front. I made that switch on the course this season and went from no forehand to good forehand in one throw.
When I met him during his visit last year, he told me about his friends from Lynchburg who started a DiscGolf TH-cam tutorial and I asked him if it was Overthrow. He was pretty surprised I knew of your channel. I enjoy your tutorials.
Hello. does'nt a ball spin the opposite direction. if you trow a ball over youre head and you let it roll of. it will spin backwards. if you throw a disc over youre head it spins forward. MVH Håkan
@@OverthrowDiscGolf So, I get what you are trying to say in the video. I had the same thought as you said it. "The disc will spin in the opposite direction." Perhaps you could work on the words you use to clarify this point for students and in videos. What are you really trying to achieve with the ball throwing exercise. It is the motion that give the spin. But it is different. How exactly is it different? One thing this makes me think of is that when throwing a ball, the ball rolls from my finger pad to the tip of my finger. When throwing a disc forehand, the disc doesn't roll off the tip the same way. Since you guys like analyzing stuff so much. Could you nerd out on this for me? I am not a very good forehand thrower. I'm old with elbow issues. Thank you guys!
@@scottharwood8839 I don’t think students need to really understand the differences between throwing the ball and the disc. I wouldn’t want to make it that complicated. If they need me to explain all that then they’re probably not the person I’m using the drill with.
Skipping stones on water requires the same quick motion and could be another helpful analogy for people who've skipped stones. And yeah, the stone also spins opposite the disc, but the forearm and wrist snap is similar.
@@OverthrowDiscGolf LOL. okay okay. But my brain is geeking out on the finger roll details now. You are right that it is a good drill. I do like your videos, this one included. Please continue to keep putting such good content out. I find them helpful.
Once you start to add spin to your forehand it only increases! At least that’s what happened to me and couldn’t figure out how to not throw hard w/o spin. I use middle finger on edge and index spread out to middle, really helps crank the spin. After cutting my middle finger pretty bad I had to use ring finger instead of middle and it makes a wider grip. It also takes off spin and makes it harder to crank. When I do use that grip my forehand shots look like Buhr’s.
When you crank more spin and take off your follow through, a disc w/ high torque resistance like the Gator or Justice will fly dead straight. Justice still will fade at the very end. But I’ve found the lower the glide like those two discs they’re extra torque resistant.
Does the towel popping metaphor work on the backhand side? It is a useful metaphor for identifying & controlling where & when “the hit” happens which, maybe because I played a lot of ultimate when my knees were young & had cartilage in them, isn’t as much of a challenge on the forehand side but seems more illusive on the backhand side. If I’m keeping my elbow to my hip on the forehand side, the hit happens quite naturally. There’s a point where the wrist & disc simply have to snap & release or the elbow has to leave the hip. But the backhand side is a naturally occurring expansive motion & the biological limiting point in the shoulder is way, way late compared to where the hit should actually happen. I’m thinking the towel flick metaphor would help lock this down?
@@OverthrowDiscGolf Which is why I asked, I wasn't convinced it translated, either. I need to think about my one-handed tennis backhand & see if it can help. For a long time I thought they were radically different because disc golf involved hip rotation, but I'm seeing more & more the rotation is after The Hit & so I think there's more parallel than I previously believed.
I threw on a tech disc for the first time a week or two ago. Forehand was around 65mph, 750mph spin. Real world distance around 450 with good angle golf line. I’ll bet if I could clean up and get another 100rpm I’d push 500.
It seems like right when I pop, I somehow put pressure under the plate which lifts the outside edge, and it flips left. :( Still trying to figure out how to train that out.
Any thoughts on hitting a ceiling with spin vs speed? I can get high 600s without much effort (35ish mph), but as I ramp up power to my max (around 55 mph) I only get up to mid 700s. Is it normal/expected for it to not change that much as speed increases (unlike backhand)? Also, 900 on video or no presents for Xmas.
I dont believe in the term "Torque" as it is referenced in a forehand shot, or at least its an over-used term. Common phrase is "Oh man, this disc can't handle my torque on forehand" . In reality it cant handle the mis-release and lack of spin, lol.
I think Gannon has thrown something like 1080rpm forehand on some event recorded on techdisc site. Trying to train my own forehand spin and getting it somewhere between 730-760rpm for slower armspeeds. Problem that i faced is when i go to higher arm speeds the spin drops. Feels like my wrist and fingers are not as fast with the snap and the disc slips from my hand. Any tips for that?
@@OverthrowDiscGolf there was a video from that throw, but of course it can be a mixup of the video and stats. I need to go and train wristpower to get the disc spinning in higher speeds. I tried snapping back with the hand and it gave some results straight away with the slower arm speeds! Thanks for the tip!
@@OverthrowDiscGolf For me (949 RPM PB on FH) the key is to keep the wrist loose and getting rid of any tense in it. My farthest FH throws (and most RPM) are at around 85% of power.
Recognized in your coaching Lauren series that your follow through contrasts to the RobbIe C's palm to the gods follow through. Was a while back, he may have changed it since. I want you to go on the record boss. Say Robbie C, you're doing it wrong!!! Point directly at the camera too please
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For sum.reason I can't comment like normal it's only letting me reply to a comment. But I've been watching slot of ur videos and I am mainly a forehand thrower with lots of baseball background. But just purely from watching this video I feel like if ur last throw was 891 then my sidearm has to be at least a 1000. But yet I only hit about 350' on my drives. I understand everything u said about the pop. Ally of times I throw farther with really even reaching back the far but just from the snap/pop.
@ interesting. I’ve got over 350’ on the forehand. Spin doesn’t necessarily make the disc go farther. Speed is more indicative of distance potential.
Might want a blanket or foam mats on the floor in front of net to keep your tech disc from smacking against a hard floor. Expensive lesson to be learned. Thanks for the forehand info!
As always, picked up info I didn't know before. Thanks, y'all!
I love these tech disc videos because it highlights how little effort is necessary for certain stats. It's easy to see stats and go oh I just need more effort to increase speed and rpms. But in reality, it's more about finding the right movement and smoothness. Once you have the right movement and smoothness you can then focus on increasing the intensity of the effort. I've thrown too many times into my net thinking I just need to throw it harder haha. Don't let your effort compromise the integrity of your form.
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I am getting a techdisc for Christmas, and my wife used the affiliate link. Very excited to start training with it
We thank you and your wife
I always stacked my fingers and had most pressure from the pointer finger cause that felt natural. After watching this I decided to try a bit with my middle finger instead and the snap was way cleaner, wobble wasn't visible and the flight was more true. So I'm going to be practicing this more but so far I'm convinced you helped my forehand with just that one change. Funny how something so small makes such a difference.
As always, great advice
Re: D'Clip - I like this cue because it explicitly shows what part of the disc we're trying to leverage. In a round, if my forehand is feeling a little off, I focus on "throwing an axe" so that I'm really slinging the outer edge of the disc around. It's also my cue for throwing thumbers and tomahawks. While I have a baseball background, you don't want to throw an overhead shot like a ball; it can do some damage to your elbow. (Don't) Ask me how I know.
Lots of grip comments - I started using one finger grip, tried & tried different variations of grips & am now back to index only. I think it comes down to shape/size of hands/fingers, particularly variation between index / middle fingers. Pro Joe A says 'grip like this' but your hand is built different.
Do you have a video of what you're using for your home setup? I'm thinking of setting something up in my garage and I think you've changed your throwing pad over the years. I'd love some advice to get things on the right track if you or anyone has some recommendations.
Keep up the great content!
We have our current setup in the video description. We are probably changing to a super short range projector and throwing net here in the near future
If you can't throw forehand following the seemingly universal middle finger grip take a second right now even without a disc and put your index finger in front of your middle finger and try and hinge your wrist (just flop it back and forth). Now put the middle finger in front. I have no resistance with my index finger in front. I made that switch on the course this season and went from no forehand to good forehand in one throw.
Forehand throwing like a master
Who is this man?
I have definitely noticed previously that some kind of recoil makes the release alot tighter and more quick
Your buddy Baylor and I played a fun round in Prague the other day.
Mikey and I met at Baylors wedding!
When I met him during his visit last year, he told me about his friends from Lynchburg who started a DiscGolf TH-cam tutorial and I asked him if it was Overthrow. He was pretty surprised I knew of your channel. I enjoy your tutorials.
Any other votes for next video negative nose angle on forehands?
Turn your palm more downward during the throw
Hello. does'nt a ball spin the opposite direction. if you trow a ball over youre head and you let it roll of.
it will spin backwards. if you throw a disc over youre head it spins forward.
MVH Håkan
It does but you impart the same action. Opposite direction is because we are throwing from “inside” the disc
@@OverthrowDiscGolf So, I get what you are trying to say in the video. I had the same thought as you said it. "The disc will spin in the opposite direction." Perhaps you could work on the words you use to clarify this point for students and in videos. What are you really trying to achieve with the ball throwing exercise. It is the motion that give the spin. But it is different. How exactly is it different?
One thing this makes me think of is that when throwing a ball, the ball rolls from my finger pad to the tip of my finger. When throwing a disc forehand, the disc doesn't roll off the tip the same way. Since you guys like analyzing stuff so much. Could you nerd out on this for me? I am not a very good forehand thrower. I'm old with elbow issues.
Thank you guys!
@@scottharwood8839 I don’t think students need to really understand the differences between throwing the ball and the disc. I wouldn’t want to make it that complicated. If they need me to explain all that then they’re probably not the person I’m using the drill with.
Skipping stones on water requires the same quick motion and could be another helpful analogy for people who've skipped stones. And yeah, the stone also spins opposite the disc, but the forearm and wrist snap is similar.
@@OverthrowDiscGolf LOL. okay okay. But my brain is geeking out on the finger roll details now. You are right that it is a good drill. I do like your videos, this one included.
Please continue to keep putting such good content out. I find them helpful.
Once you start to add spin to your forehand it only increases! At least that’s what happened to me and couldn’t figure out how to not throw hard w/o spin.
I use middle finger on edge and index spread out to middle, really helps crank the spin.
After cutting my middle finger pretty bad I had to use ring finger instead of middle and it makes a wider grip. It also takes off spin and makes it harder to crank. When I do use that grip my forehand shots look like Buhr’s.
When you crank more spin and take off your follow through, a disc w/ high torque resistance like the Gator or Justice will fly dead straight. Justice still will fade at the very end. But I’ve found the lower the glide like those two discs they’re extra torque resistant.
On my channel Broderic has multiple >70 mph 1000 rpm with form!
I could see that with his form. Will need to check it out. He’s very cobra strikey
Came here to comment this 🤝
Does the towel popping metaphor work on the backhand side? It is a useful metaphor for identifying & controlling where & when “the hit” happens which, maybe because I played a lot of ultimate when my knees were young & had cartilage in them, isn’t as much of a challenge on the forehand side but seems more illusive on the backhand side.
If I’m keeping my elbow to my hip on the forehand side, the hit happens quite naturally. There’s a point where the wrist & disc simply have to snap & release or the elbow has to leave the hip. But the backhand side is a naturally occurring expansive motion & the biological limiting point in the shoulder is way, way late compared to where the hit should actually happen.
I’m thinking the towel flick metaphor would help lock this down?
I’m not convinced it totally translates to the backhand side but I’m also not totally convinced the other way either
@@OverthrowDiscGolf Which is why I asked, I wasn't convinced it translated, either.
I need to think about my one-handed tennis backhand & see if it can help. For a long time I thought they were radically different because disc golf involved hip rotation, but I'm seeing more & more the rotation is after The Hit & so I think there's more parallel than I previously believed.
I threw on a tech disc for the first time a week or two ago. Forehand was around 65mph, 750mph spin. Real world distance around 450 with good angle golf line. I’ll bet if I could clean up and get another 100rpm I’d push 500.
You’d need about 70mph for 500’
What would be a good number for wobble? Under 4°?
Correct
It seems like right when I pop, I somehow put pressure under the plate which lifts the outside edge, and it flips left. :( Still trying to figure out how to train that out.
Train the thing you want in; not the thing you don’t want out of
What’s your grip? I find when this is happening I’m letting my index and middle finger separate vs keeping them together
As a Lynchburg native I really wish you would do in person lessons
He does
I do.
I sent an email let me know if you have some availability
@ I have availability but I also haven’t seen the email. Can you reach out to me on Instagram?
Any thoughts on hitting a ceiling with spin vs speed? I can get high 600s without much effort (35ish mph), but as I ramp up power to my max (around 55 mph) I only get up to mid 700s. Is it normal/expected for it to not change that much as speed increases (unlike backhand)?
Also, 900 on video or no presents for Xmas.
That’s normal. There’s a point where you can only snap the disc so much
@@OverthrowDiscGolf my mom says I'm special.
I dont believe in the term "Torque" as it is referenced in a forehand shot, or at least its an over-used term. Common phrase is "Oh man, this disc can't handle my torque on forehand" . In reality it cant handle the mis-release and lack of spin, lol.
I think Gannon has thrown something like 1080rpm forehand on some event recorded on techdisc site. Trying to train my own forehand spin and getting it somewhere between 730-760rpm for slower armspeeds. Problem that i faced is when i go to higher arm speeds the spin drops. Feels like my wrist and fingers are not as fast with the snap and the disc slips from my hand. Any tips for that?
I’m not positive but I think that was actually a lefty backhand from him
And when you speed up it is definitely harder to impart spin. At some point there is a tradeoff
@@OverthrowDiscGolf there was a video from that throw, but of course it can be a mixup of the video and stats.
I need to go and train wristpower to get the disc spinning in higher speeds. I tried snapping back with the hand and it gave some results straight away with the slower arm speeds! Thanks for the tip!
@@OverthrowDiscGolf For me (949 RPM PB on FH) the key is to keep the wrist loose and getting rid of any tense in it. My farthest FH throws (and most RPM) are at around 85% of power.
Whats a decent rpm per speed ratio?
40 on the forehand I believe
I have to try this, my best is under 800rpm and speed 60mhp😅
WTH, when I throw max forehand, I get 93 km/h and 600 something rpm. Almost 900 rpm with this little effort is crazy.
Part of that is being able to dedicate all the energy towards spin and not forward movement.
Josh you're the only other person in the world that I know of that has a D CLIP
Recognized in your coaching Lauren series that your follow through contrasts to the RobbIe C's palm to the gods follow through. Was a while back, he may have changed it since. I want you to go on the record boss. Say Robbie C, you're doing it wrong!!! Point directly at the camera too please
Bahaha. Probably won’t ever hear me calling out my homie like that
First! D'Clip! Awesome! I may or may not have a link for that. ;)
Need to drive an hour to use a tech disc..I should be over 1000rpm no question
I’d like to see it!
I'm so bad, my best is 595.
I’ve got a couple drills that might help