bro i heard the difference right away!!! its not a small difference, though i have a very good monitoring system, heard the mic bleeds also from the drums on the vocals, but bro the vintage is absolutely worth it!!
@@mohammedabduljabbar-kg4wp Glad you enjoyed it, worth it? It depends. Many times I do full recordings/mixes and don’t even use my Pultecs. It just depends who it’s worth it to. And yes I head a big difference as well. Especially in the room.
@@RiotHomeRecording i enjoyed it big time! this is the only video that revealed the difference for me! i think all the other clones add some harmonic distortion thats not supposed to be there. while the vintage adds pure saturation thats very very pleasant for the ears.
Here’s my thoughts after listening again a couple months later. I think both signal chains sound extremely smooth and good. The vintage original has an open presence in the mid range that really stands out to me and I prefer it. The AudioScape chain has a more exaggerated fluffed bottom end that’s adds a puffiness to the sound. The overall results even strengthens further my initial thoughts and feeling. I’m very glad I went the AudioScape route. Steve
Thanks for doing this! I was checking out the Audioscape EQ yesterday for the first time. I can't hear much of a difference with the EQ. But the combination of the Eurie vs Audioscape, I can hear a difference.
In all honesty, I think that the AudioScape gear will sound just like the vintage units sound, when they're vintage. We will never know what a real Pultec and Urei 1176 sound like brand new and it doesn't matter. These are scary close and in a mix the difference maybe more negligible. I enjoyed this! Thank you for sharing!
this is INCREDIBLE, Steve!!! Thank you SO MUCH for taking the time! We love BOTH!! 😎😍👍🎉 Great work and as always, we appreciate your straight-forward attitude and candor! ✌
The 76F sounds better than my UA1176. Stam was nice too, but some weird thing going on in the 2-3khz range, and waited 6 months with no communication! Audioscape was delivered in 1 week to Australia. Sounds more modern than my UA1176 - brighter, more presence.
The vintage units just get you to finished sound faster. Say you track through the units. When comes time to mix everything will sit better and less processing will be needed. I own audioscape units as well. They are wonderful tools to get me where I need to go faster. You can get great results with analog and/or ITB these days. Its more about how much extra time and work you have to put in on the way. I agree, the mid range is where the magic happens with vintage units and that is where the magic happens in the mix. Thanks for this comparison!
Thanks, this is great. Dramatically different sound between “red” and “blue”, beyond component sound - totally different eq curves and compression character, I would not believe those are the same settings! The “blue” certainly feels more brash, to the extent that I probably would choose different settings for that vocal based on the result, but of course you’re not mixing you’re doing a comparison! Thanks again very informative
Steve, I agree 100% with your final thoughts. I have several Audioscape pieces of gear, and I love them a lot. Their equipment is outstanding for the price, and my last stage is always to have the job well done the best I can, working with the available gear. I think it was the first time I watched an A/B comparison between the Audioscape EQP-A/76F set up and their corresponding original gear. Great video. Thank you for sharing...Finally, I think the "blue" is the Audioscape set up.
Great vid. blue sounds like it’s more present and coloured . I find most of my vintage gear is darker and less sibilant. Red sounds more vintage. It also placed the vocal in one place. Choosing from your tests I pick blue only if they were dialed in the same.
Awesome awesome video!!! Thanks for your review on these. I was looking at the Warm audio version. But I saw on a forum that their customers were selling their units to get the #Audioscape version. So I told myself “I might as well follow suit then”. I watched another guy do a shoot out on the #Audioscape and was blow away at how they add so much depth the the mix. I’m completely sold on the #Audioscape. Now just have to save and hope they finish restocking by the time I have the money. I know they make a certain amount at a time. Hoping to get my hands on one.
Thanks very much for doing this. Red is vintage. There seems to be less gain reduction/a higher threshold on the audioscape example. I know everyone is having spasms for the AS stuff right now, but I actually haven’t heard any demos that sound “right” for lack of a better word-where your ears relax and you just go “ah ok, I’m not listening to a piece of equipment anymore”
Thanks! There’s differences, keep in mind that I’m using these in a mix and they do what I want them to do. I’m very satisfied with how these tools work especially at their price point. It’s hard to describe sound and what equipment does but I really think you nailed it with the “I’m not listening to equipment anymore” that is so true and a Great way to describe quality sounding gear. Thanks again! Steve
Great video! Thanks for sharing a comparison, I think it would of been a healthier sonic a/b if you didn’t use the console since it will give it same sonic color at the output stage in both pieces of gear. Love your channel man.
I really wanted to like the Audiescape but I hear the scratchy quality in most of their products, based on the demo performed on vocals. I agree that their take on the Pultec was just not up to the mark, whereas their take on the 1176 F rev was closer. However, while the original 1176, had this discernible, sheen and smoothness to it, the 76F had this additional unpleasant scratchiness to it. And the differences are audible, even on my phone speakers, and much more prominent when heard through my M50x cans.
Good ears, yes I agree they’re not exactly the same, but the price of AS and vintage units aren’t the same either. And I think audioscape is good. I’ve never heard a clone beat any original piece of gear. And I’ve done a ton of shoot outs.
@@RiotHomeRecording Thank you, and I agree. They certainly do present a fair (maybe even excellent) alternative to folks who might be unable or unwilling to shell out the price of the originals, and to be fair, their products are pretty good, especially considering the price, and arguably much better than clones made by many of the other companies. As for the sound, I notice the scratchy quality in their other products as well, including their interpretation of the STA level, though their interpretation of the LA2A seems to not have this quality in as pronounced a manner. I wonder if their choice of transformer, or other specific component parts is a contributing factor to it, assuming that their circuitry itself is identical to, or closely mirrors the original circuitry, barring updates needed to replace point to point with surface mount. Like you said, perhaps the mismatch in the sonic quality of their pieces is attributable to the price point at which they are selling their products, which surely must require cutting some corners. What I find somewhat funny though is their repeated representations that they painstakingly use components that are identical or equivalent to the components used in the originals that their cloning; one would assume that if this were the case, the results would also be almost identical, even if not exactly. But the differences are fairly noticeable. I wonder why companies like Pulse, or Retro, which also make reissues of vintage gear, are able to get a closer match to the originals. I’m not a tech person, but maybe the products really are more than a sum of their components.
@@axxonthetrack Agreed, with all you said. 2 things I’ll add. #1 old equipment that sways a tad out of spec could result in a pleasing effect. #2 the epa put restrictions on core components used to make this equipment. Restrictions that were not in place in the 50’s, 60’s & part of the 70’s. For example the laminations used in transformers are much cleaner than they used to be. This 100% effects the sound. Maybe the metal/steal has been recycled so it’s not as pure. Composite resistors, capacitors, and transistors all effect the sound. And although their tolerances have improved maybe they sacrificed a bit of sound in the process. I will say it again, I’ve never heard a clone sound as good as an original. I’ve shot out old 1073’s aside by side with BAE’s that claim to be exact. Nope I heard a massive difference and so did everyone in the room. My Flea 47 mic, I directly compared it to at least 4 old Neumann U47’s. Every time I thought the originals had something that just sounded overall better. Many companies are making a lot of money of the old classic gear. And some are definitely closer than others. Ultimately it comes down to the talent. I rather have a great singer tracked through an SM-58 than an average singer through a U47.
Thank you! I appreciate your feedback. I totaled my car in a bad wreck. So I’ve been dealing with that but I’m getting back on track now to post more videos. Thanks! Steve
I have an AS EQP-A arriving in a few weeks. Excellent price! These guys are awesome. Great customer service! The product sold out in less than 30 secs.
Watching this video again after a year later and I totally agree! Audioscape is not bad sounding at all! Yes the vintage have some magic mojo in there but you'll need to pay that price tag!
That magic mojo is what they made them famous and thats why we buy them. Not because the faceplate look outside close to the original. The curves are been replicate on vsts also the magic mojo not. We buy machines for the sound of the valves , op amps, Transistors etc
likely the thing that is tripping you up with the knobs is the material they're made of. the knobs on the orig Pultecs were likely bakelite whereas now everybody uses molded plastic. it's likely the pots are much different in throw as well compared to what they would've been using back then.
This turned out about how I figured it would. The originals sound slightly better, but not by so much as to spend the $$$ on them. The AS gear is very good and does a good job. If I was in that room with you I might feel differently. Thanks for putting this up.
Thanks Malcome if you were in the room I think you’d have the same opinion as you pretty much got it right with what you heard here. There something about the originals that has a tad more openness and clarity I hear it in the upper mids. Is it worth many thousands more, that depends on the person. To me it’s not.
@@johnwalter6410 If had the opportunity to be in the room with Steve and listen for myself I would be better able to provide an intelligent response to that comment.
Blue sounds a bit more open, red sounds slightly more tamped down. I suppose what it comes down to is we’re the settings trying to be matched my ear or were they matched strictly by knob position. Either way thanks for the video, cheers.
There's nothing like being there to hear in person. I like Audio-Scape and own some of their gear, but I thought there was a large difference between the vintage EQP 1A and the AS-EQP A on this one
I agree with you there was a larger difference on the Eq then there was the compressor. Especially in the room as you mentioned. That difference becomes significantly less apparent in a mix. However, the point is, there is a difference. Even with that difference I’m more than happy with my AudioScape gear. And I’m getting a few more pieces from AudioScape. It gets the job done and sounds great.
very nice! the vintage chain sounds more saturated and mid focus with less treble and nassal ..the audioscapes sounds more clean and (new)..what about the tubes on the original pultec?they are new like audioscape's?the tubes used in pultec are the same brand with audioscape's? very close tho!! keep the good work!
Very good and fair review, thank you Steve! I have another clone with similar crappier switches. Mine sounds better than other clones just due to having used vintage transformers from the 60s. And it has that bigness and clarity too. I do not know if it is the aging (trafos are said to improve over time) or the iron quality (which is said also to be different and better in past decades - I do not know if it is true).
Very interesting and useful comparison. Perhaps the Audioscape will sound more similar in 50 years. I kind of prefer the OGs, but I cannot afford them honesltly. Audioscape is great though for clones; otherwise there are tremendous companies out there making original designs that are modern and much mroe affordable. Daking, Buzz Audio, Gainlab Audio, Thermionic Culture, Wunder Audio, RND, new API, SSL, and Neve, Empirical Labs, IGS (amazing), Manley...tons of options without going vintage that are much cheaper and "as good"
The 1176 is very close. The pulteq not so much. Red is vintage and sounds much better, because of the pulteq, I A/bed the 1176's and was impressed on the accuracy.
Great comparison, all i own so far is a EQP A1 MEQ, and an 1176 D... I'm waiting to buy a second pair of each ai i can have a drum bus... oh and i also have a g comp... AS rules.
At the very end was blue the Vintage Pultec? It sounded a little better and fuller, to me. I really hope its the Audioscape though as Im about to get a couple.
I think both signal chains sound extremely smooth. The vintage original has an open presence in the mid range that really stands out to me and I prefer it.
@@RiotHomeRecording yeah I am glad you pointed this out. I am the same- I’m comparing warm audio to say heritage audio (diff league than audioscape slightly yeah) but the warm is so much better on the pots and knobs (audible dented clicks) that I never wanna mess w heritage audio if I can help it! Which has sad knobs / pots
Dude you have some amazing gear! I have just entered the world of outboard gear and since I'm in Florida I have been looking at the guys at Audioscape. Im really excited to get my hands on a SSL style Buss comp, 76F, and EQP-A. Possibly a Distressor in the future. How did you get your hands on that old Pultec? That thing is insane. Also, where are you located? Sounds like a midwest accent. Im from Michigan originally so thats why I was curious. Awesome stuff!
Thanks Michael I’m from Chicago I go to Michigan a lot. When my kids were younger they went to a summer camp every year up in Whitehall Michigan. I go to Florida a lot as well I’ll be there all of next month in the Siesta Key, Fort Myers and Clearwater Beach areas.
Do you think the renamed Pulse Technologies sound the same as the vintage Pultecs? I’m also interested in the AudioScape and would love your opinion since it’s been awhile.
I don’t know as I haven’t compared the two. I’ve heard a lot of good things about the new pulse techs but have not heard one in person. I’m not a Pultec guy I just use a pair of AudioScape EQP-A’s and they work for me and do what I expect them to do. I mainly use them to mix but wouldn’t hesitate to track with them if I wanted the character and sound they provide.
@@RiotHomeRecording thanks for the reply. I’m not a “Pultec guy” per say. I just was looking to add some Pultec juice to the end of my chain for vocal tracking (Sony C100-BAE 1073-Tube Tech CL1B).
I like the knowledge you drop at the end. I really suck at tracking, I cna never get the same or close to the same sound per take. and very dynamic at times even with the totalmix Compressors on. which is a digital compressor in. do you recommend I get a comp and Eq in the chain? Right its townlends labs l22 > BAye 1073 mpf > Rme UFX+
Thanks, If you’re getting inconsistent results tracking with the same untouched signal chain. It’s not the equipment it’s the source. Whoever your tracking is making the difference not your gear. The source you are capturing is more important than the gear you capture it with. However, when both are great the end result is beautiful. Hope this helps. Steve
I don't think people really understand this now a day. they are chasing some outdated equipment that is headed to obsoletion. Its people that don't know how to mix and think it going to help the overall mix and its not. you have to put in the effort to learn and learn to listen. It's a skill like basketball you do it over and over and get better. At the same time this mentality is driving the prices up on the same gear they think they need! having thousands of plugins and all that is crazy. Master what you have, when you stumped figure a new way and create a new sound. If it sounds good its good period. Stop listening to everyone bragging on what gear they have and thinking you need that also, in order for you mix to shine because you don't! You need to record good and learn to mix... ITB, OTB or hybrid, whatever.... stop chasing the old sounds, create your own sound. Make it musical and i guarantee no one going to say, hey you didn't use the original Neve, or 1176...lol. The people who you sell to, don't even know what that is!!!!!!!!!!!!!! All the tech out today there is a million ways to get 1176 sound, Neve sound etc... It's just a tool for your workflow and creativity, and nothing more. A pencil is a pencil no matter who made it... Just don't use a pin when you need a pencil.
But if you have these gear in your studio you will be taken more seriously 😂. On a serious note I have to agree that the obsession with these outdated gear is extremely bizarre.
@naakaalastudio6655 it really is bizarre. Most if the people that chase that idea really think that's the only stuff to make a good song. Like a miracle cure all! Lol! You do need quality tools, but it's so much out now that is equal to, if not better its crazy. The funny thing is it will play out in like 5-10 years and most will be ITB... soon as the new tech generation gets older. They will insist on being mobile and you can't carry around a Neve Console and 6 LA-2A..LMAO
I have both old Neve and new ITB so I don’t care! LMFAO!!!! HAHAHAHA IF YOU DONT LIKE OLD GEAR, why are you spending so much time thinking about it? Go buy some warm audio preamps and spend time in your computer. When it’s doesn’t sound good just realize it’s you! Not the gear. Everyone knows that.
@@naakaalastudio6655 I don’t think it’s bizarre that people want quality gear and I don’t care what anyone says I believe they don’t make stuff like they used too. So having something made right back then with the actual core elements being pure not watered down and recycled. It means something and can be felt and heard. Company’s now will do whatever they can to maximize profits even if that means having a less quality product. Perfect example the mother of pearl inlays on a Gibson les paul are now plastic and look like sh!t.
Steve, I really like your channel. What I am hearing from you is this. Gear matters. Good gear matters. But the best gear doesn’t matter. To me this is an conundrum and a contradiction. I understand that you want to give props and respect to your audioscape affiliates But for me it’s the same dilemma I have with plug-ins, Either one is better or they are the same. And if they are the same, then that makes one obsolete. (Either plug in or clone)
Thanks Blue House Studios, I’m glad you like my videos and I really appreciate your comment. And yes I agree on it sounding contradictory. The reason, there’s no correct answer. It depends on the person and each persons wants and needs are different. If someone can afford the vintage original and that’s what they want, they should go for it! Why? Because it doesn’t get better then an original classic. Exactly as I said in the video. If someone wants the original but can’t make sense of spending that much money, then no they should not buy it and look for a cheaper alternative. That’s what I did and I’m very satisfied with my purchases. I always give my honest thoughts and impressions on gear. I have no benefit to do otherwise because I make nothing and get no discounts on anything. My TH-cam channel is my personal account and non monetary. I spend a lot of time and effort on these videos. I do it for one reason... I love recording music and the gear that makes that happen. The only affiliation I have with AudioScape is me being a full paying customer. I did get free shipping but they do that for everyone in the US. Thanks again I appreciate you!
@@RiotHomeRecording I really appreciate you and your channel diving into things others dare not to. It's funny to have so many clones of classic gear but hauntingly very little 1 to 1 shootouts with them. I fully understand the market that was created to address the ever growing tens of thousands of enthusiast . Without sounding elitist, I simply question the the need for this space other than the ones creating this market. I find it criminal to hear "pros" endorsing plug ins as being just as good as something like a real pultec. To me, it's logically no less than evil. It's misleading and detrimental. I too love music and love knowing what makes it tick. Cheers my fellow dude.
@@BlueHouseSoundStudio What’s funny is when you see these big name engineers trying to push their signature plug in bundle on people as they sit in front of a big console with walls of outboard gear. Meanwhile their laughing their ass off because their plug ins bundle with waves is paying for their Neve consoles. Literally selling software and turning around and buying hardware. Every vintage classic they can find. It’s better then money in the bank. Try reselling a plug in, you lose your ass! I do like my plug ins tho! Hahaha
The volume was never changed as you can see in the video it was a straight patch over, the difference you might be hearing is apparent volume, the Pultec has a dimension and the clearness in the mids could be perceived as louder. When I did the video I seen both chains on final cuts db meters and they’re extremely close. If you feel one is louder you can change the volume up or down on either one and compare it that way.
awesome video man!! Of course the original sounds killer but man that Audioscape is pretty dag on dope! Question bro - what do you know about the AML ezp-1a clone? Considering going that route or maybe wait for audioscape to drop theirs again.
@@GregsGuitarLessons Thanks Greg I appreciate it, I moved that sphere console in the place, it took 5 guys it was a beast of a board through that door.
Do you have vocals going through the 1176 when tracking or do you run them through it during mixing? I’ve always been in the box, but I’m wanting to get into some hardware
Hi Jerry Sometimes I use the 1176 when tracking vocals, bass, snare, and guitar. For the vocal in this video I didn’t use the 1176 for tracking I used it for mixing. Many times I use a fatso for tracking vocals or a Gates Sta level. Just depends.
OG sounds muddy.. Which makes sense, its over 50 years old. I think a lot of people like the mud.. thats why they like Vinyl, Tape or Burl converters.. (Sorry Burl fans, I can't get into them) If I was recording "retro" music it would make sense. I don't and won't.
I think you need to do a shoot out between the New Pultecs (Pulse Technologies) and the Vintage one. They supposedly have to patent now or some deal to use the name, so id assume it would be close.
Nah. The recording is muddy, and the vocalist has a muddy tone, and it sounds like this guys boosting the shit out of 30 or 100hz... the original sounds much better. the source can confuse.
I've got kind of a noob question. Assuming you're using TT to DB25 patch bays, how do you add vintage pieces into your signal chain? I have DBX TRS patch bays and I'm considering upgrading. Thx.
Great "for the money" hahahahaha. I hate when people say that. It either sounds good or doesnt. The Audioscpape boxes sound great. They are made in the USA. By a couple dudes. Andy Sneap uses a bunch of Audioscape gear. Not saying that Andy using it proves anything. Except maybe that they must sound good.. haha
Great video and a great studio. May I ask you how close the AudioScape came in your opinion? If you say that your original is a 10, what number could you give the AudioScape in how similar they are ?
@@RiotHomeRecording thats pretty darn good considering the price difference.I have four pulse techniques pultec's that are insanely good, the eqm-1s3 pair and the meqm-5 pair both are the mastering versions with stepped controls, It was a small fortune but worth every penny.
@@DerekSamuelReese I agree with you, it’s very good considering the price difference. As I’m sure you know you get what you pay for, and if something cost more money there’s usually a reason why. It’s built better, sounds better, etc… I think for the money AudioScape is very good. My ears are very sensitive to cheap gear. I hear it. I feel it. I could tell if it has lived a life. If it has character. Certain gear is very special that’s why it achieves the status of being a classic, Neve, api, Telefunken, Neumann, Akg, Royer, Urei, Pultec, Gibson, fender, Ludwig, Etc…
Hey what a great video my only problem with these videos and all the videos like it is that you guys have great vintage gear but you use ProTools as your source. you guys need a tape machine for crying out loud to get the real of the 50s and 60s. All of this Great gear with an inferior source I just don’t get it. Still you did a great job and im digging the audio scape.
Ain't nothing wrong with Pro Tools as long as those old garbage Digidesign converters aren't being used. And as long as gainstaging is being done well.
Red = Vintage Originals
Blue = AudioScape Clones
bro i heard the difference right away!!! its not a small difference, though i have a very good monitoring system, heard the mic bleeds also from the drums on the vocals, but bro the vintage is absolutely worth it!!
@@mohammedabduljabbar-kg4wp
Glad you enjoyed it, worth it? It depends. Many times I do full recordings/mixes and don’t even use my Pultecs. It just depends who it’s worth it to.
And yes I head a big difference as well. Especially in the room.
@@RiotHomeRecording i enjoyed it big time! this is the only video that revealed the difference for me! i think all the other clones add some harmonic distortion thats not supposed to be there. while the vintage adds pure saturation thats very very pleasant for the ears.
Damn I was hoping the Red was AudioScape. Nope.
I’ll take the AudioScape all day. Old stuff was dull and tubby.
11:46 AudioScape Comp & Eq
13:16 Vintage original Comp & Eq
21:00 Blind listen
Here’s my thoughts after listening again a couple months later.
I think both signal chains sound extremely smooth and good. The vintage original has an open presence in the mid range that really stands out to me and I prefer it. The AudioScape chain has a more exaggerated fluffed bottom end that’s adds a puffiness to the sound. The overall results even strengthens further my initial thoughts and feeling. I’m very glad I went the AudioScape route.
Steve
Thanks for doing this! I was checking out the Audioscape EQ yesterday for the first time. I can't hear much of a difference with the EQ. But the combination of the Eurie vs Audioscape, I can hear a difference.
In all honesty, I think that the AudioScape gear will sound just like the vintage units sound, when they're vintage. We will never know what a real Pultec and Urei 1176 sound like brand new and it doesn't matter. These are scary close and in a mix the difference maybe more negligible. I enjoyed this! Thank you for sharing!
this is INCREDIBLE, Steve!!! Thank you SO MUCH for taking the time! We love BOTH!! 😎😍👍🎉 Great work and as always, we appreciate your straight-forward attitude and candor! ✌
The 76F sounds better than my UA1176. Stam was nice too, but some weird thing going on in the 2-3khz range, and waited 6 months with no communication! Audioscape was delivered in 1 week to Australia. Sounds more modern than my UA1176 - brighter, more presence.
I like the AudioScape enough to buy another pair.
The vintage units just get you to finished sound faster. Say you track through the units. When comes time to mix everything will sit better and less processing will be needed. I own audioscape units as well. They are wonderful tools to get me where I need to go faster. You can get great results with analog and/or ITB these days. Its more about how much extra time and work you have to put in on the way. I agree, the mid range is where the magic happens with vintage units and that is where the magic happens in the mix. Thanks for this comparison!
Thanks, this is great. Dramatically different sound between “red” and “blue”, beyond component sound - totally different eq curves and compression character, I would not believe those are the same settings! The “blue” certainly feels more brash, to the extent that I probably would choose different settings for that vocal based on the result, but of course you’re not mixing you’re doing a comparison! Thanks again very informative
Steve, I agree 100% with your final thoughts. I have several Audioscape pieces of gear, and I love them a lot. Their equipment is outstanding for the price, and my last stage is always to have the job well done the best I can, working with the available gear. I think it was the first time I watched an A/B comparison between the Audioscape EQP-A/76F set up and their corresponding original gear. Great video. Thank you for sharing...Finally, I think the "blue" is the Audioscape set up.
Thanks Joao! I agree!!
Great vid. blue sounds like it’s more present and coloured . I find most of my vintage gear is darker and less sibilant. Red sounds more vintage. It also placed the vocal in one place. Choosing from your tests I pick blue only if they were dialed in the same.
Thanks Anthony! They were dialed in the same the differences being the gear itself old, new, tolerance of components, etc...
Awesome awesome video!!! Thanks for your review on these. I was looking at the Warm audio version. But I saw on a forum that their customers were selling their units to get the #Audioscape version. So I told myself “I might as well follow suit then”. I watched another guy do a shoot out on the #Audioscape and was blow away at how they add so much depth the the mix. I’m completely sold on the #Audioscape. Now just have to save and hope they finish restocking by the time I have the money. I know they make a certain amount at a time. Hoping to get my hands on one.
Thanks very much for doing this. Red is vintage. There seems to be less gain reduction/a higher threshold on the audioscape example. I know everyone is having spasms for the AS stuff right now, but I actually haven’t heard any demos that sound “right” for lack of a better word-where your ears relax and you just go “ah ok, I’m not listening to a piece of equipment anymore”
Thanks! There’s differences, keep in mind that I’m using these in a mix and they do what I want them to do. I’m very satisfied with how these tools work especially at their price point.
It’s hard to describe sound and what equipment does but I really think you nailed it with the “I’m not listening to equipment anymore” that is so true and a Great way to describe quality sounding gear.
Thanks again!
Steve
Great video! Thanks for sharing a comparison, I think it would of been a healthier sonic a/b if you didn’t use the console since it will give it same sonic color at the output stage in both pieces of gear. Love your channel man.
I really wanted to like the Audiescape but I hear the scratchy quality in most of their products, based on the demo performed on vocals. I agree that their take on the Pultec was just not up to the mark, whereas their take on the 1176 F rev was closer. However, while the original 1176, had this discernible, sheen and smoothness to it, the 76F had this additional unpleasant scratchiness to it. And the differences are audible, even on my phone speakers, and much more prominent when heard through my M50x cans.
Good ears, yes I agree they’re not exactly the same, but the price of AS and vintage units aren’t the same either. And I think audioscape is good.
I’ve never heard a clone beat any original piece of gear. And I’ve done a ton of shoot outs.
@@RiotHomeRecording Thank you, and I agree. They certainly do present a fair (maybe even excellent) alternative to folks who might be unable or unwilling to shell out the price of the originals, and to be fair, their products are pretty good, especially considering the price, and arguably much better than clones made by many of the other companies.
As for the sound, I notice the scratchy quality in their other products as well, including their interpretation of the STA level, though their interpretation of the LA2A seems to not have this quality in as pronounced a manner. I wonder if their choice of transformer, or other specific component parts is a contributing factor to it, assuming that their circuitry itself is identical to, or closely mirrors the original circuitry, barring updates needed to replace point to point with surface mount.
Like you said, perhaps the mismatch in the sonic quality of their pieces is attributable to the price point at which they are selling their products, which surely must require cutting some corners. What I find somewhat funny though is their repeated representations that they painstakingly use components that are identical or equivalent to the components used in the originals that their cloning; one would assume that if this were the case, the results would also be almost identical, even if not exactly. But the differences are fairly noticeable. I wonder why companies like Pulse, or Retro, which also make reissues of vintage gear, are able to get a closer match to the originals. I’m not a tech person, but maybe the products really are more than a sum of their components.
@@axxonthetrack
Agreed, with all you said. 2 things I’ll add.
#1 old equipment that sways a tad out of spec could result in a pleasing effect.
#2 the epa put restrictions on core components used to make this equipment. Restrictions that were not in place in the 50’s, 60’s & part of the 70’s. For example the laminations used in transformers are much cleaner than they used to be. This 100% effects the sound. Maybe the metal/steal has been recycled so it’s not as pure. Composite resistors, capacitors, and transistors all effect the sound. And although their tolerances have improved maybe they sacrificed a bit of sound in the process.
I will say it again, I’ve never heard a clone sound as good as an original.
I’ve shot out old 1073’s aside by side with BAE’s that claim to be exact. Nope I heard a massive difference and so did everyone in the room.
My Flea 47 mic, I directly compared it to at least 4 old Neumann U47’s. Every time I thought the originals had something that just sounded overall better.
Many companies are making a lot of money of the old classic gear. And some are definitely closer than others.
Ultimately it comes down to the talent. I rather have a great singer tracked through an SM-58 than an average singer through a U47.
Nice equipment. This video just makes me wanna buy Audioscape equipment. Got the Opto on the way
Iv been binge watching your videos the last few day's lol. love your content and i trust you opinion on gear. keep em comming!
Thank you! I appreciate your feedback. I totaled my car in a bad wreck. So I’ve been dealing with that but I’m getting back on track now to post more videos.
Thanks!
Steve
4:56 Audioscape EQP-A - Circuitry
6:51 Original Pultec - Circuitry
5:20 Audioscape EQP-A, Engaged
7:40 Original, Engaged
6:22 Audioscape EQP-A, "Until you find your confidence"
8:16 Original Pultec, "Until you find your confidence"
I have an AS EQP-A arriving in a few weeks. Excellent price! These guys are awesome. Great customer service! The product sold out in less than 30 secs.
WOW Fantastic!!! Audioscape takes it for us!!
Red = original
Blue = audioscape
Watching this video again after a year later and I totally agree! Audioscape is not bad sounding at all! Yes the vintage have some magic mojo in there but you'll need to pay that price tag!
That magic mojo is what they made them famous and thats why we buy them. Not because the faceplate look outside close to the original. The curves are been replicate on vsts also the magic mojo not. We buy machines for the sound of the valves , op amps, Transistors etc
likely the thing that is tripping you up with the knobs is the material they're made of. the knobs on the orig Pultecs were likely bakelite whereas now everybody uses molded plastic. it's likely the pots are much different in throw as well compared to what they would've been using back then.
This turned out about how I figured it would. The originals sound slightly better, but not by so much as to spend the $$$ on them. The AS gear is very good and does a good job. If I was in that room with you I might feel differently. Thanks for putting this up.
Thanks Malcome if you were in the room I think you’d have the same opinion as you pretty much got it right with what you heard here. There something about the originals that has a tad more openness and clarity I hear it in the upper mids. Is it worth many thousands more, that depends on the person. To me it’s not.
Its just the allure that its a real putec. Its the same circuit, Literally.
@@johnwalter6410 If had the opportunity to be in the room with Steve and listen for myself I would be better able to provide an intelligent response to that comment.
Blue sounds a bit more open, red sounds slightly more tamped down. I suppose what it comes down to is we’re the settings trying to be matched my ear or were they matched strictly by knob position. Either way thanks for the video, cheers.
There's nothing like being there to hear in person. I like Audio-Scape and own some of their gear, but I thought there was a large difference between the vintage EQP 1A and the AS-EQP A on this one
I agree with you there was a larger difference on the Eq then there was the compressor. Especially in the room as you mentioned. That difference becomes significantly less apparent in a mix. However, the point is, there is a difference. Even with that difference I’m more than happy with my AudioScape gear. And I’m getting a few more pieces from AudioScape. It gets the job done and sounds great.
Thanks for sharing, great video! My bet is Blue is Audioscape.
very nice! the vintage chain sounds more saturated and mid focus with less treble and nassal ..the audioscapes sounds more clean and (new)..what about the tubes on the original pultec?they are new like audioscape's?the tubes used in pultec are the same brand with audioscape's? very close tho!! keep the good work!
AudioScape puts Vintage Tubes inside every Unit. Both units have vintage tubes.
wasnt close imo. The real stuff sounds way more hefty and wide. Makes the clones sound thin
I like ANY video with a real Pultec in it. Period.
Very good and fair review, thank you Steve! I have another clone with similar crappier switches. Mine sounds better than other clones just due to having used vintage transformers from the 60s. And it has that bigness and clarity too. I do not know if it is the aging (trafos are said to improve over time) or the iron quality (which is said also to be different and better in past decades - I do not know if it is true).
Very interesting and useful comparison. Perhaps the Audioscape will sound more similar in 50 years. I kind of prefer the OGs, but I cannot afford them honesltly. Audioscape is great though for clones; otherwise there are tremendous companies out there making original designs that are modern and much mroe affordable. Daking, Buzz Audio, Gainlab Audio, Thermionic Culture, Wunder Audio, RND, new API, SSL, and Neve, Empirical Labs, IGS (amazing), Manley...tons of options without going vintage that are much cheaper and "as good"
Dang. The AS stuff gets close. Love my Buss comp from them!
Please do another shootout using drums or live instruments and if possible while showing settings up-close :)
The 1176 is very close. The pulteq not so much. Red is vintage and sounds much better, because of the pulteq, I A/bed the 1176's and was impressed on the accuracy.
Great comparison, all i own so far is a EQP A1 MEQ, and an 1176 D... I'm waiting to buy a second pair of each ai i can have a drum bus... oh and i also have a g comp... AS rules.
The guy singing reminds me of Scott Walker
always try to throw plugins in as well, do a next video with them
At the very end was blue the Vintage Pultec? It sounded a little better and fuller, to me. I really hope its the Audioscape though as Im about to get a couple.
Blue is AudioScape
Best channel in youtube! regards from Argentina
The originals are super smooth.
I think both signal chains sound extremely smooth. The vintage original has an open presence in the mid range that really stands out to me and I prefer it.
Quality on knobs 😂... Audio Scape sounds amazing.
Yes believe it or not some knobs feel better then others. And it makes a difference to me.
@@RiotHomeRecording yeah I am glad you pointed this out. I am the same- I’m comparing warm audio to say heritage audio (diff league than audioscape slightly yeah) but the warm is so much better on the pots and knobs (audible dented clicks) that I never wanna mess w heritage audio if I can help it! Which has sad knobs / pots
Dude you have some amazing gear! I have just entered the world of outboard gear and since I'm in Florida I have been looking at the guys at Audioscape. Im really excited to get my hands on a SSL style Buss comp, 76F, and EQP-A. Possibly a Distressor in the future. How did you get your hands on that old Pultec? That thing is insane.
Also, where are you located? Sounds like a midwest accent. Im from Michigan originally so thats why I was curious.
Awesome stuff!
Thanks Michael I’m from Chicago I go to Michigan a lot. When my kids were younger they went to a summer camp every year up in Whitehall Michigan. I go to Florida a lot as well I’ll be there all of next month in the Siesta Key, Fort Myers and Clearwater Beach areas.
Awesome!
Original Equip wins hands down for me. Audio scape is nice but not even man.
Do you think the renamed Pulse Technologies sound the same as the vintage Pultecs? I’m also interested in the AudioScape and would love your opinion since it’s been awhile.
I don’t know as I haven’t compared the two. I’ve heard a lot of good things about the new pulse techs but have not heard one in person. I’m not a Pultec guy I just use a pair of AudioScape EQP-A’s and they work for me and do what I expect them to do. I mainly use them to mix but wouldn’t hesitate to track with them if I wanted the character and sound they provide.
@@RiotHomeRecording thanks for the reply. I’m not a “Pultec guy” per say. I just was looking to add some Pultec juice to the end of my chain for vocal tracking (Sony C100-BAE 1073-Tube Tech CL1B).
I like the knowledge you drop at the end. I really suck at tracking, I cna never get the same or close to the same sound per take. and very dynamic at times even with the totalmix Compressors on. which is a digital compressor in. do you recommend I get a comp and Eq in the chain? Right its townlends labs l22 > BAye 1073 mpf > Rme UFX+
Thanks,
If you’re getting inconsistent results tracking with the same untouched signal chain. It’s not the equipment it’s the source. Whoever your tracking is making the difference not your gear.
The source you are capturing is more important than the gear you capture it with. However, when both are great the end result is beautiful.
Hope this helps.
Steve
yes add analog tracking compressor
The EQP1 was surprising.
I agree it’s a great piece, I’ve been watching your videos for along time as well.
@@RiotHomeRecording glad you enjoy my videos.
I don't think people really understand this now a day. they are chasing some outdated equipment that is headed to obsoletion. Its people that don't know how to mix and think it going to help the overall mix and its not. you have to put in the effort to learn and learn to listen. It's a skill like basketball you do it over and over and get better. At the same time this mentality is driving the prices up on the same gear they think they need! having thousands of plugins and all that is crazy. Master what you have, when you stumped figure a new way and create a new sound. If it sounds good its good period. Stop listening to everyone bragging on what gear they have and thinking you need that also, in order for you mix to shine because you don't! You need to record good and learn to mix... ITB, OTB or hybrid, whatever.... stop chasing the old sounds, create your own sound. Make it musical and i guarantee no one going to say, hey you didn't use the original Neve, or 1176...lol. The people who you sell to, don't even know what that is!!!!!!!!!!!!!! All the tech out today there is a million ways to get 1176 sound, Neve sound etc... It's just a tool for your workflow and creativity, and nothing more. A pencil is a pencil no matter who made it... Just don't use a pin when you need a pencil.
But if you have these gear in your studio you will be taken more seriously 😂. On a serious note I have to agree that the obsession with these outdated gear is extremely bizarre.
@naakaalastudio6655 it really is bizarre. Most if the people that chase that idea really think that's the only stuff to make a good song. Like a miracle cure all! Lol! You do need quality tools, but it's so much out now that is equal to, if not better its crazy. The funny thing is it will play out in like 5-10 years and most will be ITB... soon as the new tech generation gets older. They will insist on being mobile and you can't carry around a Neve Console and 6 LA-2A..LMAO
I have both old Neve and new ITB so I don’t care! LMFAO!!!! HAHAHAHA IF YOU DONT LIKE OLD GEAR, why are you spending so much time thinking about it? Go buy some warm audio preamps and spend time in your computer. When it’s doesn’t sound good just realize it’s you! Not the gear. Everyone knows that.
Most people will never be able to produce a quality 10 second jingle in their lifetime so it doesn't matter what they do or don't chase.
@@naakaalastudio6655
I don’t think it’s bizarre that people want quality gear and I don’t care what anyone says I believe they don’t make stuff like they used too. So having something made right back then with the actual core elements being pure not watered down and recycled. It means something and can be felt and heard.
Company’s now will do whatever they can to maximize profits even if that means having a less quality product.
Perfect example the mother of pearl inlays on a Gibson les paul are now plastic and look like sh!t.
Steve, I really like your channel.
What I am hearing from you is this.
Gear matters.
Good gear matters.
But the best gear doesn’t matter.
To me this is an conundrum and a contradiction.
I understand that you want to give props and respect to your audioscape affiliates
But for me it’s the same dilemma I have with plug-ins,
Either one is better or they are the same.
And if they are the same, then that makes one obsolete. (Either plug in or clone)
Thanks Blue House Studios, I’m glad you like my videos and I really appreciate your comment. And yes I agree on it sounding contradictory.
The reason, there’s no correct answer.
It depends on the person and each persons wants and needs are different.
If someone can afford the vintage original and that’s what they want, they should go for it! Why? Because it doesn’t get better then an original classic. Exactly as I said in the video.
If someone wants the original but can’t make sense of spending that much money, then no they should not buy it and look for a cheaper alternative. That’s what I did and I’m very satisfied with my purchases.
I always give my honest thoughts and impressions on gear. I have no benefit to do otherwise because I make nothing and get no discounts on anything. My TH-cam channel is my personal account and non monetary. I spend a lot of time and effort on these videos. I do it for one reason...
I love recording music and the gear that makes that happen.
The only affiliation I have with AudioScape is me being a full paying customer. I did get free shipping but they do that for everyone in the US.
Thanks again I appreciate you!
@@RiotHomeRecording I really appreciate you and your channel diving into things others dare not to. It's funny to have so many clones of classic gear but hauntingly very little 1 to 1 shootouts with them. I fully understand the market that was created to address the ever growing tens of thousands of enthusiast . Without sounding elitist, I simply question the the need for this space other than the ones creating this market. I find it criminal to hear "pros" endorsing plug ins as being just as good as something like a real pultec. To me, it's logically no less than evil. It's misleading and detrimental. I too love music and love knowing what makes it tick. Cheers my fellow dude.
@@BlueHouseSoundStudio
What’s funny is when you see these big name engineers trying to push their signature plug in bundle on people as they sit in front of a big console with walls of outboard gear.
Meanwhile their laughing their ass off because their plug ins bundle with waves is paying for their Neve consoles. Literally selling software and turning around and buying hardware. Every vintage classic they can find. It’s better then money in the bank.
Try reselling a plug in, you lose your ass!
I do like my plug ins tho! Hahaha
Tannoy NFM 8s? Love your vids!
That pultec sound don’t compare 🔥
The pultec was louder, so pretty hard to compare.
The volume was never changed as you can see in the video it was a straight patch over, the difference you might be hearing is apparent volume, the Pultec has a dimension and the clearness in the mids could be perceived as louder. When I did the video I seen both chains on final cuts db meters and they’re extremely close. If you feel one is louder you can change the volume up or down on either one and compare it that way.
Match volume yourself if needed. The difference in the tone and the punch is still audible.
@@Synth2000 that’s right
Thanks for sharing with us!!!
Thank you Carl!
Another great video mate.
Thanks Craig I appreciate you!
Can def tell from the highs. Immediately
awesome video man!! Of course the original sounds killer but man that Audioscape is pretty dag on dope! Question bro - what do you know about the AML ezp-1a clone? Considering going that route or maybe wait for audioscape to drop theirs again.
All i really heard threw my Adams s3h is that AS is killing it. Not worth at all to invest in original at all... They sound old... 😂
They sound old Bahahahaha, they’re from the 50’s!
Hey bud,
We’re you up in grayslake for this?
That place looks familiar.
Yes
@@RiotHomeRecording
That’s what I thought. I helped moved his old sphere out a couple years ago.
Love the channel, my man!
@@GregsGuitarLessons
Thanks Greg I appreciate it, I moved that sphere console in the place, it took 5 guys it was a beast of a board through that door.
@@RiotHomeRecording
My buddy bought it. Moved it to LA.
We did it with 3 guys. Almost died 😂
@@GregsGuitarLessons
I’m sure that was ruff! Hahaha
Just wow!
Do you have vocals going through the 1176 when tracking or do you run them through it during mixing? I’ve always been in the box, but I’m wanting to get into some hardware
Hi Jerry
Sometimes I use the 1176 when tracking vocals, bass, snare, and guitar. For the vocal in this video I didn’t use the 1176 for tracking I used it for mixing. Many times I use a fatso for tracking vocals or a Gates Sta level. Just depends.
The original chain sounds more open, for lack of a better term.
OG sounds muddy.. Which makes sense, its over 50 years old.
I think a lot of people like the mud.. thats why they like Vinyl, Tape or Burl converters.. (Sorry Burl fans, I can't get into them)
If I was recording "retro" music it would make sense. I don't and won't.
I think you need to do a shoot out between the New Pultecs (Pulse Technologies) and the Vintage one.
They supposedly have to patent now or some deal to use the name, so id assume it would be close.
Nah. The recording is muddy, and the vocalist has a muddy tone, and it sounds like this guys boosting the shit out of 30 or 100hz... the original sounds much better. the source can confuse.
I've got kind of a noob question. Assuming you're using TT to DB25 patch bays, how do you add vintage pieces into your signal chain? I have DBX TRS patch bays and I'm considering upgrading. Thx.
Stam is from Chile, not Brazil.
Great "for the money" hahahahaha. I hate when people say that. It either sounds good or doesnt. The Audioscpape boxes sound great. They are made in the USA. By a couple dudes. Andy Sneap uses a bunch of Audioscape gear. Not saying that Andy using it proves anything. Except maybe that they must sound good.. haha
Great for the money!
sounds good until you find your KONFI DANCE
You deadend scream
originals sound better
the real pultec beat the audioscape by miles!!
Great video and a great studio.
May I ask you how close the AudioScape came in your opinion?
If you say that your original is a 10, what number could you give the AudioScape in how similar they are ?
I’d say the number is,
6-7 for the eq
8-9 for the compressor
The compressor is closer to the original than the Pultec eq.
@@RiotHomeRecording thats pretty darn good considering the price difference.I have four pulse techniques pultec's that are insanely good, the eqm-1s3 pair and the meqm-5 pair both are the mastering versions with stepped controls, It was a small fortune but worth every penny.
@@DerekSamuelReese
I agree with you, it’s very good considering the price difference. As I’m sure you know you get what you pay for, and if something cost more money there’s usually a reason why. It’s built better, sounds better, etc… I think for the money AudioScape is very good. My ears are very sensitive to cheap gear. I hear it. I feel it. I could tell if it has lived a life. If it has character. Certain gear is very special that’s why it achieves the status of being a classic, Neve, api, Telefunken, Neumann, Akg, Royer, Urei, Pultec, Gibson, fender, Ludwig, Etc…
red is the vintage!! right?
Do you use trs or ts cables to hook up your EQP?
You are not in the mood to spend... plus you have most good stuff already
Yes definitely true
They are just audio tools people.
Because we like tools we are not living in caves anymore :)
Red is audioscape and blue is original vintage.
Red is Vintage
Blue is AudioScape clones
Fuck i loved the blue way more !!!!!
Hey what a great video my only problem with these videos and all the videos like it is that you guys have great vintage gear but you use ProTools as your source. you guys need a tape machine for crying out loud to get the real of the 50s and 60s. All of this Great gear with an inferior source I just don’t get it. Still you did a great job and im digging the audio scape.
I do have a 2 inch tape deck if you can see and hear it in my other videos.
Thank you
@@RiotHomeRecording right on🤗
Ain't nothing wrong with Pro Tools as long as those old garbage Digidesign converters aren't being used. And as long as gainstaging is being done well.
are you a Capricorn Steve ?
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