Thank you Wanja for this userful information. I have one question, for you or any kind person willing to share: Is there ANY difference between this kind of triggering and electronic pads regarding input lag/latency (even in miliseconds)? My purpose is as first option use the drum module's MIDI out to my laptop PC running Superior Drummer 3 for triggering those kits. If anyone shows me some light and points that lag/latency is present, I would go to the second option: load custom samples to the module. (PD: I use the laptop PC for other instruments, etc so it's necessary) I'll be attentive to your response. THANK YOU!
Nice tutorial. Agreed on every aspect of what you said. I can add some more info from drummer / sound engineer perspective. Triggering kick drum @ live performance is almost standard this times in metal music. Lets face it - you don't need any dynamics on your kick drum in death or black metal (and many other genres) - its almost binary 0 or 1 in this matter. When you hit - it has to be consistent in volume and clearly audbile with nice SNAP attack. Try to get good snappy, clear, consitent kick drum sound with kick mic on small stage in club, where bass player has his 6x10 cab cranked up, which makes bass drum shell resonate. Of course you can use fast gate, compression and envelope filter, but believe me - this will work until you start to play fast double kick, when gate never closes, its one big muddy HUM of bass frequency, no attack, no snap, your kick drum simply disappear in whole mix. Side chaining kick with bass guitar doesn't help at all. If you use trigger - there is no problem at all (using it on bass drum). Not to mention you dont have to worry about bass drum tuning. In studio you have plenty of time, silent room, great audio gear etc. You can dial very good kick sound using mic and sub-mic mixed together. What about volume consistency in fast double kick parts? Well in such enviorment you can compress signal really hard without side effects (opposite to live performance) and it solves that problem. It is common to replace kick drum track with premade samples after recording anyway, just to get best sound that fits good in the mix. People (who have little knowledge) consider triggering is cheating because they're confusing it with MIDI output from drum module and quantizing hits to actual tempo map (in DAW after recording or in real time via drum module with tempo map and quantize option). You don't even need drum module to do that in those days in realtime. In such situation (quantizing hits to grid) it is cheating and everyone will agree on that.
I'll share my story. I don't play extreme metal, but rather boring stuff like hard/alternative rock and at most fast-pace heavy metal. I found myself in a situation where all my bandmates from all my bands upgrade their sound and make the music sound better and better and even though my drums are really good, I can't go much further. When I go out on stage it often turns out the sound engineer didn't really get the drum sound right more of then than they do. As a result I migrated to a full electronic drum set with just the bass drum being an acoustic one (doesn't move on stage and it's a 24" and it has to look good after all) and I have that triggered to the module too. It made a world of difference - no feedback issues on stage and we can balance the sound and hear everything exactly how we want it to be, I have perfect and consistent sounds every time and we sound great. On cheating - there's no cheating in music. After all we're all musicians and even if you press buttons on a drum machine once in a while and just sit there, as long as it's for the sake of music I'll never judge.
The band's called Nash'te Hora. On youtube we got only 1 video up from April last year. It's a Bulgarian band - our songs are mostly in Bulgarian, but if you wanna hear 2 english songs - they start at the 25 min mark. If you were looking for an electronic drum set video demo, you're out of luck sorry. When you have to share a drumset with another band most drummers tend to insist they bring their own ac. set.
Thank you Wanja [Nechtan] Gröger for taking the time to thoroughly teach us with so great a detailed, and step by step set of instructions. You are very generous to do this. I would like to make a donation to you to assist you in delivering future episodes of drumming exercises. Please shoot me a link to a way to send a little something.
Your videos are always on point Wanja! In the sound comparison section, the difference is even more extreme when you add distorted guitars and bass lines. Untriggered bass drums practically disappear.
Not even close. Drumming is much more physicall and the extent you can do with triggers to make you basically not need to drum is insane. You can set it so when you hit the drum once it doubles the sound so 1 hit makes 2 hits, or you can make the sound increase hard enough that you can just tickle the bass drum and it will produce a good sound, no need for technique, my little sister could play that.
@@jensloetzsch I was a bit more ignorant when I made th comment, but sometimes people do use the triggers to that extent, otherwise I don't think they're a bad thing, especially if it's a good sound, you don't have to tune ypur bass drum pretty much
@@ConeTheBoss559 I currently have a trigger setup that I use on my bass drum, for the exact reasoning you just mentioned. I substitute strength with triggers since I have Multiple Sclerosis. Doesn't affect my arms nearly as much as my legs, so on my good days I don't need it, but when my strength fails me, and I'd still like to play the drums - I definitely use triggers to avoid the requirement of strength.
@@ChristianSandviknes wholly different when you physically can't do something, compared to just being too lazy to do it, you have an issue you can't affect, and I admire that you still drum in spite of it!!
From an engineers stand point it’s nice to use both a mic on the kick and a trigger. You can blend the two sounds together and get even cooler kick sound with the depth of the acoustic kick and the attack of the trigger.
I was thinking about trying to use both trigger and a microphone I bought. I'm new to this so I'm trying to get a good loud sound and figure out how to hookup the audio to whatever speaker, module, mixer I need to. I've been buying all of that here and there as money I can spare for it. Always in need of advice from anyone kind enough to share with me. Thankful always. Blessed.
I just bought a TM-2 with the RT-30K. I need triggers because I have a light foot and always have had a light foot. I was born with cerebral palsy and whilst it doesn’t affect my whole body severely it affects my legs pretty bad. I have little to no ankle motion in them and I’m having to play flat footed at first but I’m getting the hang off letting my feet just kinda do their own thing. I can’t wait to try them out and use this video as a guide! Thanks brother it’s appreciated!
@@vibrationalkeys3320 it’s going well! After awhile with them I’ve become used to the feel and have been doing rather well! There’s a few videos of me playing but the kick is slightly inaudible.
Thanks for the video and explaining how triggers work. I'm new to it and trying to figure out how to set it up on my kick. I have several piezos to attach but don't know how to get a good loud sound from it. I'm always learning about how things work and getting better as a drummer. Thank you. God bless you all
First, thank you so much, I also have the roland TM-2 module and since I am a really lazy person I didn't read the manual (so I tried to adjust the threeshold by changing the sensitivity) so thank you again, because now i know how to install and use the triggers properly! And second, I think triggers are useful, they can improve your sound a lot in a live situation (using them alone or even in a mix with the bass drum), and can be used in a studio to create a gate to control bleed during a recording (Glen Fricker's great idea!).
I totally agree with you, about using triggers, I use Roland module and trigger on bass drums in order to play with my band. Thanks for the explanation! And what a cute accent!!
I don't consider drum triggering(especially for bass drums) cheating. it only makes drumming easier(that's what technologies are made for) plus, we ain't l living in the past(80's) anymore. keep up or fall behind. This is a good education video and thanks.
thank you, Wanja, for your explanation..it is very enlightening...since the early '90s I use triggers ...and i don't think it is cheating..it actually a valuable aid for drummers.
I was totally lame in this subject but this video brings it closer to me. Definitely subscribing the channel. I would compare triggers to camera lens that sharpens the image (in this case the Hits), not cheating for sure.
Wanja, greetings from Russia! I use Roland TD-3 Mudule with Roland RT-10K Trigger and this is perfect for me :) I do not think the use of triggers is cheating - you has correctly told in this video. Good luck and stay loud \m/
You should check out the "Pedaltrigger" triggers that you attach directly onto the pedal, similar to the Axis e-kit system. They have a version for the Demon Drive double pedal. If it works as well as I hope, it could remove all triggering problems and should make for a very short setup time, seeing as it isn't at all dependent on the bass drum.
A good thing to note is that the TM2 is terrible for using DDRUM triggers on, they worked fine with my TD-4 module, but with the TM-2, even with the sensitivity maxed and threshold at 0, you cant get a reliable trigger sound. Unless you have really shallow bass drum hoops and can squash the foam completely onto the bass drum head.. you show up to a show with a clown who uses sound dampening rings on the front of the bass drum and you're cooked.
very good explanation. first I thought it is gonna be boring but than some really valuable informations came out. thanks! it helps setting up my e-drum
I really did not know how to use a trigger, but thanks to this video I came up with several ideas for Latin percussions. Thanks for the information, greetings from Chile. (I used google translator) like & sub.
I have never used triggers, but watching your video I see that it can be useful for recording or in a live performance. Thanks for the video. Greetings from Mexico! \m/
Servus Wanja, tolles Video, danke für die ausführliche Beschreibung und deinen optimalen Einstellungen! Ich hätte da noch eine Frage. Meinst du es ist ratsam den RT-30K für Heel-Toe zu verwenden? Ich habe da einige Probleme mit cleanem Triggerting der hits....
Ich würde in dem Fall empfehlen, zwei Bassdrums zu verwenden und immer genügend Spannung und Dämpfung. Dann sollte es ohne Probleme gehen. Auf einer Bassdrum sicher auch nicht unmöglich, aber schwieriger. Footblaster oder OnTrigger könnten da eine gute Alternative sein.
@@TheLeviathan13 Mit Laser Triggern sollte es kein Problem sein, mit einer Bassdrum zu spielen. Je nachdem von welchen Laser Triggern genau du sprichst, kann es aber in sehr seltenen Fällen Probleme mit Licht auf der Bühne geben, wenn z.B. Sonnenlicht auf die Bühne scheint oder ein Strobo hintern den Drums steht.
I say use triggers why not just set them up in a way that the dynamics are "the same" as when playing acoustically. It's not cheating but some drummers get lazy and don't hit the bass drum consistently with a trigger and that leads to bad habits. + a little dynamics in fast runs is still okay
Awesome tutorial man! Great video! To bad some guy started playing drums in the background haha. I think you missed a reason why triggers are needed in death metal, and that is because guitar players and bass players need to hear the bass drum clearly during blast beats, otherwise they will get lost, especially in high tempos, where you can't really hear the bass drum.
Do you use the focusrite 2gen Interface? :) I own the Roland TM-2 too, still trying to adjust the basedrumsound more into direction "real"...There are so many Settings to choose. Anyway, think this is a really good tool. Keep up with your great videos.
I think it is not 2nd but first gen but I am not sure. If you want a "real" sound you can try recording your own bass drum and use it as a sample for the module.
The clip where I am playing is taken from another video from my channel - I was just jamming and thought it would sound kick ass to play some sort of marching rhythm with the double bass while blasting. gene Hoglan also does this a lot!
the threshold seems a bit high for me, personally I put mine at about 18. If I was using a trick laser trigger, I'd have the threshold on as low of a setting as possible without sacrificing the feel for the slower parts.
You don’t need a module for the on trigger right? The guy I emailed said I didn’t so now I’m confused He said I could plug them into my interface throw on headphones and hear them
Hey man. Another great video. Wanted to ask. How this compares to Steven Slate 2 Trigger and I am not sure if you are familiar with that but all I care is live setting and want to get a nice kick sound
I am not familiar with that but I am not a great fan of using software too much. PCs can cause many troubles live and I think a trigger + drum module is far more reliable. Also it looks like it is more an application for studio and I am not sure if it would work live.
Bravo.! detailed explanation, your playing superb also.. Question: the Roland RT-30HR & K(triggers)can be used with Ddrum modules as DD1 ?? thx.. metal 'til death \m/
Thank you Wanja for this userful information. I have one question, for you or any kind person willing to share: Is there ANY difference between this kind of triggering and electronic pads regarding input lag/latency (even in miliseconds)? My purpose is as first option use the drum module's MIDI out to my laptop PC running Superior Drummer 3 for triggering those kits. If anyone shows me some light and points that lag/latency is present, I would go to the second option: load custom samples to the module. (PD: I use the laptop PC for other instruments, etc so it's necessary) I'll be attentive to your response. THANK YOU!
Hello my friend Wanja..i know that my respond is a bit old but now I'm dealing with this problem..can I use a bass drum trigger directly to my drum module or do I have definitely to use a trigger module as you do??thank you..keep going..
@@wanjanechtangroeger maybe i got confused because you use the Roland tm2 and plugging it in the td3 module..i'll try to plug directly to the module..thanks for answering..greets from Greece..
Hello I have a problem with my RT30K and my TM2 module ... despite the tightening of my kick drum its padding, I have no sound when I hit gently (a little but not when I hit really light ...) I have yet set 35 senses and 0 theshold ... it's normal ? otherwise what should i do? thank
Hey Wanja :) ich versuche mich gerade etwas mit dem TM-2 anzufreunden, das klappt auch schon recht gut, habe keine Probleme mit false triggering und dergleichen. Aber was ist nun, wenn ich mein 7 Piece drum komplett triggern möchte? Brauche ich ein neues Modul oder gibt es da die Möglichkeit für ein Upgrade per externem Gerät?
Better ask Roland support about that :D But you can use custom samples with the module so there should be no need for additional EQ. Output is normal jack cable so you need a DI box when you want to have balanced xlr. For recording it is enough to just plug it into my interface without DI.
Hi Nechtan, I've bought the tm2 module from Roland and the ddrum drt trigger for Bass drum. Do you know If is It compatible ? And about the setup, which name of the trigger i must choose? Thanks a Lot. Tears from Brazil
There is a setting where I can delay the signal a bit but when I have it on zero I don't notice any delay. It also depends on the sample I use - it is important that the peak is right at the beginning of the bass drum sample.
Thank you for the video !. Learning alot :) I want to setup Trigger on my own set. But I don't have any mix panel. It's a cheap simple drum kit, Mostly for playing casually.. The goal is to play Black/death metal on the kit :D
I had to get triggers because I play with 2 kick drums and the club sound guys would always tell me, "I only have one bass drum mic" I never looked back after I got them.
Haha, I can imagine that! At more than one gig I had to lend my double pedal to some drummer who brought two bass drums but the sound guy had only one mic :D
When playing live, how should I go about adjusting my output volume? I feel like I have a good mix in the rehearsal room, but when we played our last show, the SE told us to turn down the trigger volume. Thanks!!
WTF? :D Normally the SE can turn up or down the volume of the trigger as he/she sees fit. That's what a mixing desk is for. So as long as the signal from your drum module is not clipping, the rest is usually up to the SE.
brother wanja......can u tell me how to get the best drum sounds in drum which is been bought and used freshly.....is it by using mixer or by tuning???????
I don't do it on purpose. And it only happens at the beginning of a double bass roll and when I do short groups of notes. When I play for several bars my feet don't swivel around - I think it is more my feet trying to get into the movement and finding the right position.
Pretty much what you're doing then is dropping the leg (relaxing) to get a note and rebound, and then pointing the ball of the foot (tensing) to get the in between notes? When you're working on speed with this technique, what things do you think about in your technique to keep rebound going? Where do you avoid putting pressure with muscles, and where do you intend to put it? Thanks for taking the time to reply, been trying to nail this technique all weekend.
hi wanja, just wanna ask u on how do i save my own preferred kick drum sound and also is there any websites that i could download it from?..need help on this as i hv difficulties on picking my own kick sound...and yeah, i play drums for a death metal band... :)
I don' know if there is a website for that - I used the stock sounds on my module for a while and later put the bass drum sound from the last Negator album on my module. You can also record one strong bass drum hit and then EQ it until it sounds good and then cut it in a way that the main attack is really at the beginning of the sample. I think the TM-2 needs the sample to have certain specifications (like sample rate etc) - check out the manual for that. So you export your selfmade sample with the required specs and then put it on a SD card wich you put into your module and it sould work.
hmmmm...i guess i have to give it a try 1st on what u hv just suggested!...anyway, thank u wanja!...u are such an inspiration for me to play drums!!!!! :)
Hey, maybe someone can help me. I have the Roland td 25 Module and a Yamaha dtx 50 trigger for my bassdrum. I have the sensitivity all the way up and the curve set to loud, but there is still volume dynamics. This leads to normal hits sounding very loud and softer hits sounding standard loud. How can I achieve that it actually sounds the same? It's very important due to my heel toe technique, where the second hit always is a bit weaker than the first one
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Thank you Wanja for this userful information. I have one question, for you or any kind person willing to share: Is there ANY difference between this kind of triggering and electronic pads regarding input lag/latency (even in miliseconds)? My purpose is as first option use the drum module's MIDI out to my laptop PC running Superior Drummer 3 for triggering those kits. If anyone shows me some light and points that lag/latency is present, I would go to the second option: load custom samples to the module. (PD: I use the laptop PC for other instruments, etc so it's necessary) I'll be attentive to your response. THANK YOU!
Hi can I ask you a question about triggers please?
@@paulaeden5934 Just ask!
Dude I learned your blast beat technique and now I can reach 210 bpm on a desk with my pen. My classmates think I'm crazy but I think it's just sick
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did you learn this from this video ?
I am on the same situation
19:30 mysterious duck appears in the background
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Nice tutorial. Agreed on every aspect of what you said. I can add some more info from drummer / sound engineer perspective.
Triggering kick drum @ live performance is almost standard this times in metal music. Lets face it - you don't need any dynamics on your kick drum in death or black metal (and many other genres) - its almost binary 0 or 1 in this matter. When you hit - it has to be consistent in volume and clearly audbile with nice SNAP attack. Try to get good snappy, clear, consitent kick drum sound with kick mic on small stage in club, where bass player has his 6x10 cab cranked up, which makes bass drum shell resonate. Of course you can use fast gate, compression and envelope filter, but believe me - this will work until you start to play fast double kick, when gate never closes, its one big muddy HUM of bass frequency, no attack, no snap, your kick drum simply disappear in whole mix. Side chaining kick with bass guitar doesn't help at all. If you use trigger - there is no problem at all (using it on bass drum). Not to mention you dont have to worry about bass drum tuning.
In studio you have plenty of time, silent room, great audio gear etc. You can dial very good kick sound using mic and sub-mic mixed together. What about volume consistency in fast double kick parts? Well in such enviorment you can compress signal really hard without side effects (opposite to live performance) and it solves that problem. It is common to replace kick drum track with premade samples after recording anyway, just to get best sound that fits good in the mix.
People (who have little knowledge) consider triggering is cheating because they're confusing it with MIDI output from drum module and quantizing hits to actual tempo map (in DAW after recording or in real time via drum module with tempo map and quantize option). You don't even need drum module to do that in those days in realtime. In such situation (quantizing hits to grid) it is cheating and everyone will agree on that.
Thanks for the additional info! Actually I never thought about the problems of compression on stage before - good point!
I'll share my story. I don't play extreme metal, but rather boring stuff like hard/alternative rock and at most fast-pace heavy metal. I found myself in a situation where all my bandmates from all my bands upgrade their sound and make the music sound better and better and even though my drums are really good, I can't go much further. When I go out on stage it often turns out the sound engineer didn't really get the drum sound right more of then than they do. As a result I migrated to a full electronic drum set with just the bass drum being an acoustic one (doesn't move on stage and it's a 24" and it has to look good after all) and I have that triggered to the module too. It made a world of difference - no feedback issues on stage and we can balance the sound and hear everything exactly how we want it to be, I have perfect and consistent sounds every time and we sound great.
On cheating - there's no cheating in music. After all we're all musicians and even if you press buttons on a drum machine once in a while and just sit there, as long as it's for the sake of music I'll never judge.
Nick Alexandrov what's your band name ?
Also waiting for the band name, wanna hear some alt rock stuff
Nick Alexandrov wut
The band's called Nash'te Hora. On youtube we got only 1 video up from April last year. It's a Bulgarian band - our songs are mostly in Bulgarian, but if you wanna hear 2 english songs - they start at the 25 min mark. If you were looking for an electronic drum set video demo, you're out of luck sorry. When you have to share a drumset with another band most drummers tend to insist they bring their own ac. set.
/ZFuxBa0WKl0 - let me make it easy
Thank you Wanja [Nechtan] Gröger for taking the time to thoroughly teach us with so great a detailed, and step by step set of instructions. You are very generous to do this. I would like to make a donation to you to assist you in delivering future episodes of drumming exercises. Please shoot me a link to a way to send a little something.
Your videos are always on point Wanja! In the sound comparison section, the difference is even more extreme when you add distorted guitars and bass lines. Untriggered bass drums practically disappear.
Saying a trigger is cheating is like saying an overdrive pedal on a guitar is cheating
Not even close. Drumming is much more physicall and the extent you can do with triggers to make you basically not need to drum is insane. You can set it so when you hit the drum once it doubles the sound so 1 hit makes 2 hits, or you can make the sound increase hard enough that you can just tickle the bass drum and it will produce a good sound, no need for technique, my little sister could play that.
@@jensloetzsch I meant more in terms of physical strength than technical ability
@@jensloetzsch I was a bit more ignorant when I made th comment, but sometimes people do use the triggers to that extent, otherwise I don't think they're a bad thing, especially if it's a good sound, you don't have to tune ypur bass drum pretty much
@@ConeTheBoss559 I currently have a trigger setup that I use on my bass drum, for the exact reasoning you just mentioned. I substitute strength with triggers since I have Multiple Sclerosis. Doesn't affect my arms nearly as much as my legs, so on my good days I don't need it, but when my strength fails me, and I'd still like to play the drums - I definitely use triggers to avoid the requirement of strength.
@@ChristianSandviknes wholly different when you physically can't do something, compared to just being too lazy to do it, you have an issue you can't affect, and I admire that you still drum in spite of it!!
From an engineers stand point it’s nice to use both a mic on the kick and a trigger. You can blend the two sounds together and get even cooler kick sound with the depth of the acoustic kick and the attack of the trigger.
I was thinking about trying to use both trigger and a microphone I bought. I'm new to this so I'm trying to get a good loud sound and figure out how to hookup the audio to whatever speaker, module, mixer I need to. I've been buying all of that here and there as money I can spare for it. Always in need of advice from anyone kind enough to share with me. Thankful always. Blessed.
could you do a tutorial how to tune the bass drum for metal? please
Thankyou for making this video I’ve been researching everywhere and this is the first time someone has broken it all down and informs what you need!!
Hey wanja do you need an amp to run the cable out of the module??
I just bought a TM-2 with the RT-30K. I need triggers because I have a light foot and always have had a light foot. I was born with cerebral palsy and whilst it doesn’t affect my whole body severely it affects my legs pretty bad. I have little to no ankle motion in them and I’m having to play flat footed at first but I’m getting the hang off letting my feet just kinda do their own thing. I can’t wait to try them out and use this video as a guide! Thanks brother it’s appreciated!
*how's things going?*
@@vibrationalkeys3320 it’s going well! After awhile with them I’ve become used to the feel and have been doing rather well! There’s a few videos of me playing but the kick is slightly inaudible.
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Thanks for the video and explaining how triggers work. I'm new to it and trying to figure out how to set it up on my kick. I have several piezos to attach but don't know how to get a good loud sound from it. I'm always learning about how things work and getting better as a drummer. Thank you. God bless you all
First, thank you so much, I also have the roland TM-2 module and since I am a really lazy person I didn't read the manual (so I tried to adjust the threeshold by changing the sensitivity) so thank you again, because now i know how to install and use the triggers properly!
And second, I think triggers are useful, they can improve your sound a lot in a live situation (using them alone or even in a mix with the bass drum), and can be used in a studio to create a gate to control bleed during a recording (Glen Fricker's great idea!).
I totally agree with you, about using triggers, I use Roland module and trigger on bass drums in order to play with my band. Thanks for the explanation! And what a cute accent!!
I don't consider drum triggering(especially for bass drums) cheating. it only makes drumming easier(that's what technologies are made for) plus, we ain't l living in the past(80's) anymore. keep up or fall behind. This is a good education video and thanks.
thanks for the tips wanja. I get the "same/your" sound from trigger bass drum. keep videos coming please.
thank you, Wanja, for your explanation..it is very enlightening...since the early '90s I use triggers ...and i don't think it is cheating..it actually a valuable aid for drummers.
Great video, great musician! Congratulations for the job, Wanja [Nechtan] Gröger! Another fan from Brazil!
I was totally lame in this subject but this video brings it closer to me. Definitely subscribing the channel. I would compare triggers to camera lens that sharpens the image (in this case the Hits), not cheating for sure.
Ordered one for live performances with my band after seeing this, Thankyou!
SOLID ANSWER! I be used the guitar comparison many times
Wanja, greetings from Russia! I use Roland TD-3 Mudule with Roland RT-10K Trigger and this is perfect for me :) I do not think the use of triggers is cheating - you has correctly told in this video. Good luck and stay loud \m/
This is really helpful! I just started learning drum triggers and this video tells you everything about it
Very thorough. Well done sir!
Thanks for this. You're a great drummer and your tutorials are just as good.
You should check out the "Pedaltrigger" triggers that you attach directly onto the pedal, similar to the Axis e-kit system. They have a version for the Demon Drive double pedal. If it works as well as I hope, it could remove all triggering problems and should make for a very short setup time, seeing as it isn't at all dependent on the bass drum.
Thanks, I will check them out!
This has been such an awesome, instructional video. Thank you.
A good thing to note is that the TM2 is terrible for using DDRUM triggers on, they worked fine with my TD-4 module, but with the TM-2, even with the sensitivity maxed and threshold at 0, you cant get a reliable trigger sound. Unless you have really shallow bass drum hoops and can squash the foam completely onto the bass drum head.. you show up to a show with a clown who uses sound dampening rings on the front of the bass drum and you're cooked.
very good explanation. first I thought it is gonna be boring but than some really valuable informations came out. thanks! it helps setting up my e-drum
good job man, you always clear my drumming doubts
Thank you my bro !!! Your videos are awesome 😉
I also use the rt30 trigger on my bass drum ,they are great triggers.
Very helpful video! Thanks!!
7:25, not sure if you're aware of this, but Roland has a firmware update for the module that allows it to recognize the rt-30k
Very helpful. Thanks!
Thanks Wanja! 🤜🤛
Does loosening the bass drum
Help double triggering?
I really did not know how to use a trigger, but thanks to this video I came up with several ideas for Latin percussions.
Thanks for the information, greetings from Chile.
(I used google translator)
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great video man! only one question: how can i set up velocity to maximum for every hit? thanks man!!
Usually it works by turning sensitivity up to maximum and if you can choose different volume urves you should go for the loudest.
I have never used triggers, but watching your video I see that it can be useful for recording or in a live performance. Thanks for the video. Greetings from Mexico! \m/
I don't even play drums but this is interesting
Great video. Thank you Wanja. Subscribed.
this is so ASMRish. I love it.
Maybe I should start an ASMR channel and get 100 times more clicks! :D
That would be great! I'd fall asleep to you videos every night.
Very cool video...i LOOOOOVE your playing style...i use trigger in my death metal style of playing...you Rock...greatings from Italy
Thank you!
Servus Wanja, tolles Video, danke für die ausführliche Beschreibung und deinen optimalen Einstellungen! Ich hätte da noch eine Frage. Meinst du es ist ratsam den RT-30K für Heel-Toe zu verwenden? Ich habe da einige Probleme mit cleanem Triggerting der hits....
Ich würde in dem Fall empfehlen, zwei Bassdrums zu verwenden und immer genügend Spannung und Dämpfung. Dann sollte es ohne Probleme gehen. Auf einer Bassdrum sicher auch nicht unmöglich, aber schwieriger. Footblaster oder OnTrigger könnten da eine gute Alternative sein.
Vielen Dank für die ausführliche Antwort!!! Meinst du es würde mit Laiser Trigger besser/ wahrscheinlicher mit einer basedrum funktionieren ?
@@TheLeviathan13 Mit Laser Triggern sollte es kein Problem sein, mit einer Bassdrum zu spielen. Je nachdem von welchen Laser Triggern genau du sprichst, kann es aber in sehr seltenen Fällen Probleme mit Licht auf der Bühne geben, wenn z.B. Sonnenlicht auf die Bühne scheint oder ein Strobo hintern den Drums steht.
I say use triggers why not just set them up in a way that the dynamics are "the same" as when playing acoustically. It's not cheating but some drummers get lazy and don't hit the bass drum consistently with a trigger and that leads to bad habits. + a little dynamics in fast runs is still okay
Awesome tutorial man! Great video! To bad some guy started playing drums in the background haha.
I think you missed a reason why triggers are needed in death metal, and that is because guitar players and bass players need to hear the bass drum clearly during blast beats, otherwise they will get lost, especially in high tempos, where you can't really hear the bass drum.
Good point! I think this is even more important for people using single foot blasts at high tempos.
Do you use the focusrite 2gen Interface? :) I own the Roland TM-2 too, still trying to adjust the basedrumsound more into direction "real"...There are so many Settings to choose. Anyway, think this is a really good tool. Keep up with your great videos.
I think it is not 2nd but first gen but I am not sure. If you want a "real" sound you can try recording your own bass drum and use it as a sample for the module.
such a good video! thanks!
Very well explained🤘🏻🤘🏻as soon as I can afford all that I'll use this video to set it up
I have this setup but when I put my headphones on it’s very low and has crap sound? What’s the problem?
Very helpful
Can i use roland trigger with the dtx module ? Answer please i need help.
completely agree with everything you said
Great tutorials man ! Cheers
That beat you were playing in the beggining sounds really familiar to me...is it from a song or just something you came up with for the video?
The clip where I am playing is taken from another video from my channel - I was just jamming and thought it would sound kick ass to play some sort of marching rhythm with the double bass while blasting. gene Hoglan also does this a lot!
Wanja [Nechtan] Gröger can you send the link to the video pls?
the threshold seems a bit high for me, personally I put mine at about 18. If I was using a trick laser trigger, I'd have the threshold on as low of a setting as possible without sacrificing the feel for the slower parts.
Excellent!!!
Thank you!
You don’t need a module for the on trigger right? The guy I emailed said I didn’t so now I’m confused
He said I could plug them into my interface throw on headphones and hear them
Hey man. Another great video. Wanted to ask. How this compares to Steven Slate 2 Trigger and I am not sure if you are familiar with that but all I care is live setting and want to get a nice kick sound
I am not familiar with that but I am not a great fan of using software too much. PCs can cause many troubles live and I think a trigger + drum module is far more reliable. Also it looks like it is more an application for studio and I am not sure if it would work live.
Hi can you share bass drum sample i like your trigger sound. I am using Roland TM2?
Great Tutorial here..
handy video! Thanks dude
Bravo.! detailed explanation, your playing superb also.. Question: the Roland RT-30HR & K(triggers)can be used with Ddrum modules as DD1 ?? thx.. metal 'til death \m/
Thank you Wanja for this userful information. I have one question, for you or any kind person willing to share: Is there ANY difference between this kind of triggering and electronic pads regarding input lag/latency (even in miliseconds)? My purpose is as first option use the drum module's MIDI out to my laptop PC running Superior Drummer 3 for triggering those kits. If anyone shows me some light and points that lag/latency is present, I would go to the second option: load custom samples to the module. (PD: I use the laptop PC for other instruments, etc so it's necessary) I'll be attentive to your response. THANK YOU!
Playing with triggers is definitely not cheating, you still have to practice balance and playing accurately with precision.
Hello my friend Wanja..i know that my respond is a bit old but now I'm dealing with this problem..can I use a bass drum trigger directly to my drum module or do I have definitely to use a trigger module as you do??thank you..keep going..
I think "drum module" and "trigger module" are the same thing.
@@wanjanechtangroeger maybe i got confused because you use the Roland tm2 and plugging it in the td3 module..i'll try to plug directly to the module..thanks for answering..greets from Greece..
C'est quel genre de jack des 6,3 ou 5,3 ?
Hello I have a problem with my RT30K and my TM2 module ... despite the tightening of my kick drum its padding, I have no sound when I hit gently (a little but not when I hit really light ...) I have yet set 35 senses and 0 theshold ... it's normal ? otherwise what should i do? thank
Hey Wanja :) ich versuche mich gerade etwas mit dem TM-2 anzufreunden, das klappt auch schon recht gut, habe keine Probleme mit false triggering und dergleichen. Aber was ist nun, wenn ich mein 7 Piece drum komplett triggern möchte? Brauche ich ein neues Modul oder gibt es da die Möglichkeit für ein Upgrade per externem Gerät?
Nicht dass ich wüsste - da brauchst du wahrscheinlich einfach ein größeres Modul.
Thank you .we'll explained
Can this TM-2 be sent into a Mackie Mixing board, for more tweaking of Low/Mid/High and then into Mackie Thump 15's ? Do i still need a DY box still ?
Better ask Roland support about that :D
But you can use custom samples with the module so there should be no need for additional EQ. Output is normal jack cable so you need a DI box when you want to have balanced xlr. For recording it is enough to just plug it into my interface without DI.
you are a fantastic young man bud...love your channel!
So, with triggers though. Do you have to have them plugged into a speaker system so that others can hear?
During band rehearsals or when playing live the drum module is plugged into the PA.
thanks for the video
Hi Nechtan,
I've bought the tm2 module from Roland and the ddrum drt trigger for Bass drum. Do you know If is It compatible ? And about the setup, which name of the trigger i must choose?
Thanks a Lot. Tears from Brazil
It should work! Just try the name of any kick trigger and see how well it works or not.
@@wanjanechtangroeger thanks ! Im great fan of yours! Continuing doing this amazing job.
very helpfull. thank you.
cheers.:-)
what is the lag, or latency, from the time the trigger sends the signal to the trigger module, and from the module to the pa
There is a setting where I can delay the signal a bit but when I have it on zero I don't notice any delay. It also depends on the sample I use - it is important that the peak is right at the beginning of the bass drum sample.
Thank you for the video !. Learning alot :) I want to setup Trigger on my own set. But I don't have any mix panel. It's a cheap simple drum kit, Mostly for playing casually..
The goal is to play Black/death metal on the kit :D
I think you could plug in the trigger module into an active speaker without needing a mix panel.
Do you by chance have any cupcake recipes?
No, I pretty much hate cooking and baking :D
thank you ❤️
I had to get triggers because I play with 2 kick drums and the club sound guys would always tell me, "I only have one bass drum mic" I never looked back after I got them.
Haha, I can imagine that! At more than one gig I had to lend my double pedal to some drummer who brought two bass drums but the sound guy had only one mic :D
When playing live, how should I go about adjusting my output volume? I feel like I have a good mix in the rehearsal room, but when we played our last show, the SE told us to turn down the trigger volume. Thanks!!
WTF? :D Normally the SE can turn up or down the volume of the trigger as he/she sees fit. That's what a mixing desk is for. So as long as the signal from your drum module is not clipping, the rest is usually up to the SE.
good job .....
thank you!
what about the tension on the kick?? thanks
I think it doesn't matter too much as long as it is properly muffled.
brother wanja......can u tell me how to get the best drum sounds in drum which is been bought and used freshly.....is it by using mixer or by tuning???????
Definetly both! A good mix can save a lot but it doesn't replace a good tuning ;)
I notice you add in a bit of a swivel to your bass drum moeller strokes, is it something you think about?
I don't do it on purpose. And it only happens at the beginning of a double bass roll and when I do short groups of notes. When I play for several bars my feet don't swivel around - I think it is more my feet trying to get into the movement and finding the right position.
Pretty much what you're doing then is dropping the leg (relaxing) to get a note and rebound, and then pointing the ball of the foot (tensing) to get the in between notes?
When you're working on speed with this technique, what things do you think about in your technique to keep rebound going? Where do you avoid putting pressure with muscles, and where do you intend to put it?
Thanks for taking the time to reply, been trying to nail this technique all weekend.
Are these Roland RT 30 triggers compatible with Roland TD 30 module?
Yes - I think everything from Roland will work well with each other.
can we use snare and bass trigger with Roland TM2
Since it has two trigger inputs - yes!
Is a trigger necessary for personnal rehearsal?
chicken illness no
Tell us about Footings....?
excelente!! saludos desde chile!!
I think triggers are great, and not cheating and enhance your sound
Do you recommend any triggers with mesh bass drum heads
I think there is not that big a difference to normal drumheads. Right now I am using OnTriggers and in that case the drumhead does not matter at all.
@@wanjanechtangroeger Thank you, and i really enjoyed your video
tnx
You`re welcome!
Nice ^^
size your bass drum?Thanks!
22"
hi wanja, just wanna ask u on how do i save my own preferred kick drum sound and also is there any websites that i could download it from?..need help on this as i hv difficulties on picking my own kick sound...and yeah, i play drums for a death metal band... :)
ohhh yaaa...by the way, i use exactly the same trigger head and drum module as yours + axis classic longboard pedals.
I don' know if there is a website for that - I used the stock sounds on my module for a while and later put the bass drum sound from the last Negator album on my module. You can also record one strong bass drum hit and then EQ it until it sounds good and then cut it in a way that the main attack is really at the beginning of the sample. I think the TM-2 needs the sample to have certain specifications (like sample rate etc) - check out the manual for that.
So you export your selfmade sample with the required specs and then put it on a SD card wich you put into your module and it sould work.
hmmmm...i guess i have to give it a try 1st on what u hv just suggested!...anyway, thank u wanja!...u are such an inspiration for me to play drums!!!!! :)
Hey, maybe someone can help me. I have the Roland td 25 Module and a Yamaha dtx 50 trigger for my bassdrum.
I have the sensitivity all the way up and the curve set to loud, but there is still volume dynamics. This leads to normal hits sounding very loud and softer hits sounding standard loud. How can I achieve that it actually sounds the same? It's very important due to my heel toe technique, where the second hit always is a bit weaker than the first one