Ducati 899 Panigale Termignoni Exhaust System - Sound Test

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  • เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ส.ค. 2024
  • ATTN: I now have a TH-cam channel dedicated to riding- Full Tuck DUC. This video and more is uploaded there. LINK - • Video
    READ ME: During the research phase for a new exhaust it was hard to distinguish the tone that each brand had to offer with the current videos on TH-cam. I finally decided on the Termi system as it came with the Upmap and air filter and of course maintains the factory warranty.
    I decided to film this quick video to help others distinguish the tone. It's much deeper than stock and even has some blue flame backfires if you roll off the gas just right (couldn't capture on video)
    To fully experience the depth of the sound you need to watch this video with a high quality set of headphones. Your laptop speakers just won't do it justice. You'll need some Beats by Dre headphones at a minimum to help replicate the bass levels.
    I did some idle shots, revs to 5-6K, and of course some riding so you can hear the system under load.
    The sound is great and the fueling has been improved GREATLY by the upgraded mapping. The bike runs smoother and has more power midrange. There aren't any dead spots in the RPM band!
    I hope this video helps others make an educated purchase. Thanks!

ความคิดเห็น • 150

  • @jk-76
    @jk-76 8 ปีที่แล้ว +42

    When I was stationed in Naples Italy we had a Ducati dealer in our duty free store. There is NOTHING like the sound of one of these beauties roaring by...

  • @muhdrezza
    @muhdrezza 8 ปีที่แล้ว +120

    For the best quality, i suggest you hear it in person.

    • @schmirgldecks
      @schmirgldecks 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      wrong,i suggest to buy one

    • @muhdrezza
      @muhdrezza 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@cenderawasihhh you dont get the jokes kid. Your “High & Low” channel subscription is what so called trash.

    • @schmirgldecks
      @schmirgldecks 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@cenderawasihhh than don’t buy

    • @kenjikunuwu3644
      @kenjikunuwu3644 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Real shit, Mic doesn't do it's justice towards ducatis, several 1299s Have passed by towards me that day and it was like a marching Radial engine plane, and you could feel the noise at your chest, it was amazing.

  • @DonCaraotica1693
    @DonCaraotica1693 7 ปีที่แล้ว +74

    Interesting ... Many people who comments do not understand that it is a two-cylinder engine or that there are different engines than the Japanese 4 cylinders

    • @nfareview
      @nfareview  7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      lol nope

    • @enzomartins132
      @enzomartins132 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Yep... only stupid people high-revving their 4 cylinders at every red light...

    • @stevenyaegerr
      @stevenyaegerr 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Sounds like shit to be honest. Worse than my wife’s CBR500 lmao. Leave it up to the Italians to need more engine to meet the same performance as other manufacturers.

  • @joejoeseesingtons
    @joejoeseesingtons 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    And you ride a Ducati... Your officially my hero.

  • @rajdhaliwal
    @rajdhaliwal 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    High quality pics, and now high quality vids. Excellent work man.

  • @kaiul2967
    @kaiul2967 5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Not a huge fan of twin engine exhaust notes but love everything else about the Ducati, such a beauty! Definitely on my wish list for next bike!

  • @jaymoto9820
    @jaymoto9820 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Very well done my friend! The exhaust sounds ridiculously good, and the video was edited and executed perfectly.

    • @nfareview
      @nfareview  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks! I hope you enjoy my other videos! Thanks for watching Jay!

  • @Kienvu14
    @Kienvu14 8 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Wow those brake fluid reservoirs are amazing!

    • @nfareview
      @nfareview  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      haha yeah those are the Rizoma Gold Next series. Practical too! No leaks and you can view the fluid.

  • @mcnallyprendergast6382
    @mcnallyprendergast6382 7 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    Nothing is better than Termignoni for a Ducati!!

  • @nordtigger
    @nordtigger 8 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    have one of my own, spot on with the recordings!

  • @SpyderRios
    @SpyderRios 5 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    I love the sound of this bikes. It shakes the earth like a mini earthquake. They sound nothing like in the video. Sure Japanese bikes have a wail sound to them but Ducati’s have their own flair and looks wise nothing comes close

    • @Kwikasfuk636
      @Kwikasfuk636 ปีที่แล้ว

      Glad to here that they sound nothing like in the video.

  • @Hybrid3443
    @Hybrid3443 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Fantastic video mate - and captured the sound perfectly.

  • @rubiana705
    @rubiana705 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm a huge fan of V twin sportsbikes.. trust me , they sound very cool in person.. especially 90° V twins..

  • @stephent2243
    @stephent2243 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You're right. Putting on my good headphones made it awesome. Can't decide between the akrapovic or Termi's now!

    • @nfareview
      @nfareview  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Told you! It's deep! Part of me wanted the full Akra system but at $3300 and no filter or chip key...... I ended up with the $1700 Termi with filter and key. The bike runs smooth now. In fact, go check out my new TH-cam channel for more Ducati videos! Search: Full Tuck DUC

    • @stephent2243
      @stephent2243 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      That's a good deal - was that online? We don't get good deals in Australia. Cheers, I'll check out your vids.

    • @nfareview
      @nfareview  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      I found it on eBay. Make sure it's the FULL kit with filter and upmap. A lot of sellers are selling JUST the sliopon at $1100 but thats not everything you need for install. Thanks! And I hope you subscribe to FullTuckDUC!

    • @stephent2243
      @stephent2243 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks mate. Subscribed too.

  • @schmirgldecks
    @schmirgldecks 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    scary,just cant wait to get one,sooner or later!!!

  • @sagaraher5611
    @sagaraher5611 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Finally a good mic .

  • @DocTacDad
    @DocTacDad 8 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Such a beautiful bike! Just put an M4 on my FZ-09 Yammie...sounds beastly!

  • @alexandervonhumboldt6183
    @alexandervonhumboldt6183 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    A bike with character! Thank you

  • @jamessonger3
    @jamessonger3 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love those hydraulic reservoirs for brake and clutch. Those are cool as hell.

  • @racerboy4
    @racerboy4 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So worth the $$!

  • @x3thelast
    @x3thelast 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    This looks like "fireman's red & gold build" from the forums. Looks and sounds good :D

    • @nfareview
      @nfareview  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Good eye :) You found my channel!

    • @x3thelast
      @x3thelast 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks for actually making a PROPER exhaust video.

    • @nfareview
      @nfareview  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      You're welcome!

  • @daymonpancheri8846
    @daymonpancheri8846 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Been debating which exhaust to get for my 959, this one is probably my fav but god it’s expensive 😳

    • @nfareview
      @nfareview  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Anything Italian is expensive. I've since moved on to Supercars....those exhaust systems make this one look like a deal LMFAO

    • @daymonpancheri8846
      @daymonpancheri8846 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@nfareview ohh supercars! Ya that’s my 10 year goal 😂 I’m Italian & have expensive taste, my 959 is my first Ducati, had Kawasaki’ before that, and although I still enjoy the ZX6R, you just feel prestigious riding a Ducati.

  • @ducati_208
    @ducati_208 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sounds great!

  • @GUNSHIPFLEX
    @GUNSHIPFLEX 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Termies are the best . Have them on my Ducati

    • @BloodEagle.
      @BloodEagle. 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      same -- absolutely love it, neighbors... not so much

  • @oliver8451
    @oliver8451 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    R6 or 899 Panigale?
    Which one should I get.
    Would the 899 Panigale smoke the R6?
    And is it also possible to wheelie it like the r6?

    • @leoleimgruber8148
      @leoleimgruber8148 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      It got more power than r6, is lighter than the r6 so yes yes yes and yes

  • @steveg572
    @steveg572 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Freakn awesome motogp. Im ready for my first.

  • @jordanammanshmesani
    @jordanammanshmesani 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I thought I can lean, after watching this I need to practice more

    • @nfareview
      @nfareview  8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Eh, I could have pushed it more but the rear tire was new and only had 20 miles on it. Thats why I didn't come off the seat lol I was trying to scrub them in nice and easy.

  • @dmartin23
    @dmartin23 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Stunning

  • @mohdhazreeq3570
    @mohdhazreeq3570 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    wow my favourite bike ducati 899

  • @thegolflife7565
    @thegolflife7565 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’ve ridden Thai bike a few times and love it, this and the 1199 I think was the other. I think the 899 I rode was the special edition as it was all blacked out.

    • @Dario31d
      @Dario31d 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes...black one was befor production ending...looks awsome. How was theriding experience?

  • @Kwikasfuk636
    @Kwikasfuk636 ปีที่แล้ว

    No wonder 900ss from the 80s are so expensive if this is what the new ones sound like.

  • @jman400ex
    @jman400ex 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    i was waiting on you to bust a big stoppie every time u come back towards the camera

    • @nfareview
      @nfareview  8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      lol. I had ABS on. Not possible ;)

    • @jman400ex
      @jman400ex 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +NFA Review Channel I just kept preparing every pass u made lol

  • @codebebop
    @codebebop 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    I miss my Monster everyday. May she rest in peace.

    • @nfareview
      @nfareview  8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Glad you're ok. I had a 2012 Monster 1100evo before this one. GREAT BIKE!

  • @preetbajwa2776
    @preetbajwa2776 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sounds like a 250cc bike, love bmw 1000 exhaust note

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      @nfareview  ปีที่แล้ว

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  • @Paramoto959
    @Paramoto959 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love the video’s! If you want more Panigale content I upload new Panigale video’s three times a week!

  • @mr.elastomeric1787
    @mr.elastomeric1787 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fantastic review Brother, Don;'t know where you are I'm in Lauderdale hows the bike with the heat

  • @frackyouasshat5531
    @frackyouasshat5531 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Damn thank you I miss my 748s

  • @ronil_singh
    @ronil_singh 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What these all italian bike lack is a 4 cylinder hefty Engines like Japanese bikes have.

  • @schmirgldecks
    @schmirgldecks 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    do you have db killers removed or not?
    im still thinking should i put termis or not, are termis louder than the stocks and if so how much louder?
    is it woerth buying? Many guys says termis are not louder than stocks

  • @jaredandrews379
    @jaredandrews379 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    nasty! love it!

  • @BreakingMoto
    @BreakingMoto 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    hell yes

  • @99wrapch
    @99wrapch 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    ❤️❤️

  • @zlatanstakic5150
    @zlatanstakic5150 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    is there any difference in sound between 899 and 1299 for example?

  • @coryrichter3621
    @coryrichter3621 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I just found a 2015 with 4K on it. Like New. What should I pay?

  • @bahadurtakhar5469
    @bahadurtakhar5469 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    is this the full exhaust or slip on? and how much did you pay after everything if you dont mind me ask. Thanks.

    • @nfareview
      @nfareview  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's a slip-on. The 899 Primary tubes have been determined to already be maxed out. Someone on the forums dyno'd the same bike with the stock headers and with the full system. No change in HP... lol. The slip-on kit comes with a UP-Map key that unlocks the termi map from the factory ECU, as well as a sprint air filter and of course the titanium cans. I found mine for $1750 shipped on eBay from a Ducati shop. Dealer charged for 2.5hrs of install time. The bike is wayyyyyy smoother and faster mid range. Love it.

    • @bahadurtakhar5469
      @bahadurtakhar5469 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +NFA Review Channel - Awesome thats very helpful info, thanks alot!

    • @nfareview
      @nfareview  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      No problem man. Also you can tell the dealer installed the Up-Map when you start the bike. You will see "RACE" in the bottom left of the screen when the screen does it's full sweep.

  • @Hybrid3443
    @Hybrid3443 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm surprised no one has asked. Is this a full term termignoni system (block to end) or just the slip ons?

    • @nfareview
      @nfareview  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Slip on with Race ECU

  • @ch-ov2rg
    @ch-ov2rg 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    😍

  • @abangserdang1034
    @abangserdang1034 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Cantek dr Nora Danish ..Hahaha...Geram

  • @theblukatlife
    @theblukatlife 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Someone is selling one of this for 8k but I just stick with my Bajaj Pulsar Ns200 😂 a lot of fun in that one

  • @ChrisG1392
    @ChrisG1392 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ducatis dont sound fast when they make power which is nice for stealthy riding

  • @redline9221
    @redline9221 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    termi or akra better, sound wise?

  • @anegg92
    @anegg92 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is this with the baffles in or out?

  • @scotchdog
    @scotchdog 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    sooooooUnd !

  • @benmaffin
    @benmaffin 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That is a lovely sound. I'm going to be sad when electric motors become the norm. Thanks for sharing your mechanical pornography. :-)

    • @flipjenl9616
      @flipjenl9616 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I saw an electric motorcycle a few days ago. It was THE most saddest and uninspired two wheeler i ever saw/heard. No sound, no emotion, no character.

    • @benmaffin
      @benmaffin 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@flipjenl9616 I think you nailed it there. No emotion - zero connection to the machine.

  • @anegg92
    @anegg92 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is this with baffles in or out??

  • @redfernsoljah
    @redfernsoljah 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Makes me miss my Hypermotard.. Too bad that has a hydraulic clutch, moss the clack, clack, clack of an open clutch nothing like it in the world with the termi exhaust.

  • @astifcaulkinyeras
    @astifcaulkinyeras 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why are there a bunch of pad mount transformers in the middle of nothing?

    • @nfareview
      @nfareview  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Its phase two of a new neighborhood they are finishing.

  • @ElTerrible666
    @ElTerrible666 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    I thought you were about to knee drag through some of those corners.

    • @nfareview
      @nfareview  8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Just got a new tire installed. They only have 20 miles on them in this video so I was trying to scrub them in by not dismounting the seat and getting more lean angle.

  • @bronsondempsey7812
    @bronsondempsey7812 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sounds like a ninja 250

  • @jaywallace9800
    @jaywallace9800 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Use high quality headphones? Why so you can blow fuckin ears out lol

  • @Mahirkayani
    @Mahirkayani 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Na Bro! Not for me.. Inline 4 ❤️🤘

  • @jordanammanshmesani
    @jordanammanshmesani 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    nice

  • @dakoolguy111
    @dakoolguy111 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm stuck between this 899 or a daytona 675r as my bike upgrade choice... i would use it mostly for street and fun riding on weekends and nice weather, not my primary vehicle. Also like the idea of taking it to the track sometime. Alot of people are saying the 899 would be better for street riding because of the daytona's riding position but I love everything about the Daytona (except for the looks which the 899 wins in that department). Also not a huge fan of the 899 sound compared to the daytona, is this ducati just a much better choice than the daytona? Would I get the daytona and regret my purchase because of how uncomfortable it is? Could anyone comment on what would be a better choice?

  • @SoCalFreelance
    @SoCalFreelance 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    a7R II....no 4K video?

    • @z-army481
      @z-army481 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      NFA Review Channel lmao

  • @Pewculture
    @Pewculture 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    I consider that one An Any other weapon ... lol

  • @danivanon
    @danivanon 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    what kind that of footpeg is that? is it the stock rearset? and does the footpeg grip better than stock?

    • @nfareview
      @nfareview  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Stock rear set, Rizoma pegs. They are way grippier than stock. Updated photos of my bike in my IG page. @NFAREVIEW

  • @exothermal.sprocket
    @exothermal.sprocket 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Either that mic is not very good or TH-cam compresses and strips the original sound file so badly it sounds like a lawnmower blowing through a stack of feather pillows.

    • @Urukior4
      @Urukior4 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Honestly, videos give barely any sense of this sound. I finally rode one recently, and wow, the sound is UNREAL.

    • @exothermal.sprocket
      @exothermal.sprocket 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      I've ridden an MT-09 with Yoshimura pipe (db-killer out) and that was pretty wild.

  • @zarkokamber3602
    @zarkokamber3602 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    how would 6ft1 tall person fit on 899?

    • @BloodEagle.
      @BloodEagle. 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      just fine, I'm 6'3" and I'm comfortable

  • @arem86
    @arem86 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    NFA because...suppressor?

    • @nfareview
      @nfareview  8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Sure...it supp....well makes it louder? lol

  • @Yumadlol
    @Yumadlol 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    kind of sounds like an r1 now

    • @Oockeshoek
      @Oockeshoek 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      *R1 sounds like this now

  • @3star2nr
    @3star2nr 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Drag knee!!!

  • @kikibeldandy
    @kikibeldandy 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    More cylinders = better sound.

  • @mrblisterfist
    @mrblisterfist 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    ❤️Organ donors save lives❤️

  • @paulomolina4723
    @paulomolina4723 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Am I the only one who noticed his awkward cornering skills?

    • @nfareview
      @nfareview  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Peepaw PEWPEWPEW yes. Sold it and bought a Ferrari and Aprilia. No more awkward cornering on sandy construction roads for me.

  • @samounvitou4187
    @samounvitou4187 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    you bike sell yet?

  • @Dranreb865
    @Dranreb865 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is he testing exhaust sound in a cemetery? Respect the dead bro.

  • @ralentinovossi8081
    @ralentinovossi8081 7 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    That 2 cyl sound is horrible for a bike that looks this aggressive...

    • @nfareview
      @nfareview  7 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      lol must hear in person

    • @ralentinovossi8081
      @ralentinovossi8081 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I have a couple of times, still horrible...

    • @khairilfitri2589
      @khairilfitri2589 6 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      you are 0.1% of the population who hates the duc's sound

    • @siddsakkik
      @siddsakkik 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Khairil Fitri i hate it too 🙌🏻
      For me MV is a better proposition
      Super good looks with the amazing 3 cylinder

    • @KristianKG
      @KristianKG 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Beautiful sonud, you are dont interested in the motorcycles.

  • @Alex_ch911
    @Alex_ch911 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sounds like 300,400cc

  • @likeasombooooodee
    @likeasombooooodee 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    dis ain't a gun

  • @streetsquiid5615
    @streetsquiid5615 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Like most beautiful women having a bad voice, most good looking motorcycles have bad sounds too!

  • @bodyno3158
    @bodyno3158 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Another suppressor review……

  • @floridajames04
    @floridajames04 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sounds restricted... awful 👎

  • @confirmedbachelor6019
    @confirmedbachelor6019 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ewww. Twin

  • @Sheeshening
    @Sheeshening 6 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    lol damn 4 cylinders sound waaaaaaay better. This is car territory from the engine noise :/

    • @ReaLzEdits
      @ReaLzEdits 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Sounds like a Ninja 300 with an M4.

  • @tmears11
    @tmears11 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    boooo

  • @theHSPCproject
    @theHSPCproject 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    First?

  • @MahoMustDie
    @MahoMustDie 7 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    my zx6r 636 has better sound than this. haha

    • @LiFEWithAdam
      @LiFEWithAdam 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      -_-

    • @joshclarke4414
      @joshclarke4414 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Full Tuck Duc

    • @Cody00707
      @Cody00707 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      +Agus Santoso better? haha no, it's different cuz you have 4 cylinders and the panigale only 2 so, this sounds a lot deeper while your 636 sounds more high-pitched

    • @MUNRO13
      @MUNRO13 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      No, it doesn't.

    • @ReaLzEdits
      @ReaLzEdits 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Wahh your bike is different so it's not comparable.... What? That's like when I say V8's sound better than V6's people go well if it had 2 more cylinders it wou....... Mate. I'm not arguing over that i'm just saying V8's sound better. I know they are different and I'm saying this one sounds better.