Analyzing Klay Thompson to Mavs, OKC's depth + Lakers sending mixed signals | The Hoop Collective
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 ก.ค. 2024
- Brian Windhorst is joined by ESPN's Tim Bontemps and Tim MacMahon to react to Dallas finally getting a big name free agent with Klay Thompson, if big acquisitions have made the Thunder the favorite in the Western Conference, an interesting day for the Boston Celtics, the Los Angeles Lakers avoiding a potential mistake, potential problems in Denver and more!
0:00 Introduction
4:29 Dallas adds Klay Thompson
21:29 OKC Thunder the favorites in the West now?
33:14 An Interesting Day For The Boston Celtics
46:21 NBA Trivia
49:48 Olympic Basketball
51:29 Lakers' Interesting Narrative Shaping
59:19 Key Takeaways Around The League
1:07:03 Thanks For Watching!
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Bontemps spent 2 years saying Mitchell will never resign in Cleveland. The day Mitchell resigns he goes on Getup and says "this is how I always thought this was gonna play out"
CEO of moving the goalposts
that’s true, but it’s also fair to say Mitchell wants to win, and I don’t think he’ll get that in Cleveland unless changes happen. And with the firing of Bickerstaff, the Cavs are babying DMitch so he stays around. Same thing happened with LeBron this week.
He's a smart guy, but man is he annoying. I get real tired of him interrupting people when they're talking
He is an effing clown. Why on earth is Windy saying there will be more of him? We don't want it
Yeah he’s such a hypocrite.
Derek Jones Jr wasn't traded. He was an unrestricted free agent and left for the Clippers 3yr for $30m.
I'll just say this for Dallas fans and MacMahon, Naji Marshall is considered to be one of the best SGA defenders in the league, that dude can GUARD.
He does have problems with the super fast guards like Ja or Fox but at that point I think you have to consider Kyrie your match up. He played really good defense in the playoffs this year against that type of guard, and even was the primary defender at times against a guy like Jdub
Not sure where you’re getting this from my guy 😂 I saw him slapping the floor against shai only to get blown by 9/10 times and come close to fouling out of most games
@@MisterRaiizz shai's shooting per game vs pelicans: 45.8%, 68.4%, , 40%, 38.1%. shai having one good shooting game in a series has to mean something when he cooked derrick jones jr the series after
@@MisterRaiizz and wait, i just looked it up, and he never even got 5 fouls vs okc, why would you lie about that? the entire comment is false lol
windy looks so much more rested and happy in the offseason - sleep does wonders for the body folks!
Two years ago OKC had just finished a 24-58 season and now apparently they're favorites in the West. This was one hell of a rebuild, hats off to them.
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THUNDER UP!!!! ⛈️ 🌩
Injuries
Lol
Well when you get all those pics from the harden,Westbrook, cp3, PG trades you're going to have a high chance of hitting
I just love how when they're talking about Dallas, Brian (LA fan boy) hardly says a word,, and then when we get to Oklahoma City, he starts talking like an encyclopedia.
Yeah I agree he’s trippin about Dallas. There is a lot of upside for okc though the additions they made are going to be really impactful. Only thing that makes me nervous about Dallas is the play style, not sure how much Klay will help. When he’s hot they might be unbeatable but he can’t create much anymore. Not that he could even in his prime but now he really is just another spot up shooter. I hope Lively keeps getting better, love his energy
The role djj played last year klay will play this year less cuting to the basket and a better 3ball
Why are Dallas fans so sensitive now? Congrats on beating OKC in the playoffs, but y’all need to stop acting like Dallas should still be seen as clear favorites.
@@jackiemoon5906Ikr Dallas fans comments on every NBA video is whining about disrespect or something else. I think Luka has worn off on them.
@@jackiemoon5906 Wish there was more of y'all in the playoffs, the (vocal minority of) Mavs fans were unbearable
they finally talk about the thunder
Drinking game: every time Bontemps interrupts you take a shot 😂😂
They all do it. Thats what friends discussing Basketball do. Why is everybody always picking only on Bontemps..
If you wanna get drunk faster, drink every time Windy interrupts one of them. Double shot if he interrupts to say exactly what Bontemps or McMahon was clearly going to say 😂
Signing Thompson doesn’t mean all that much when you lost Jones Jr for nothing…
He chilled down after one episode few months ago, the pod was not listenable, Windy is interrupting the most now.
Dead within the first 15 minutes
my calculations have me at klay thompson saving roughly 2.5 million by playing in texas instead of california
Buccee's is the Michael Jordan of gas stations. McMahon is not lying about those bathrooms.
So true - that line for the women’s room looks brutal though Busy as heck every time I end up near one but it’s an amazing people watching experience.
The Mavs will be seen as elite title contenders and the clear favorites in the West. With a gravitational floor spacing shooter like Klay, Kyrie and Luka will have more space and shooting to dominate until it’s an elimination game and Klay shoots 0/10 and the Mavs implode.
I’m the biggest mavs fan but OKC are the favorites, too much upside if jdub and chet progress as expected, and Caruso and ihart make big differences
Yeah, if you play Klay with Kyrie and Doncic you have 3 bad defenders instead of 2. Klay gotta come off the bench. You can't start the 3 of them...
Their D won't be close to the same either, esp. in the playoffs.
Klay and Luka defending will be hilarious
@@thedudeunchained7583kyrie is not a bad defender
"And in Chris Paul's final season he was 100% on lob passes.."
The whole I-95 thing was great haha
Idc how good the fit is, 3 yrs for 87 mil for Isaiah Hartenstein is trolling 😂🤣🤣😭
Y’all didn’t wanna have a hour long conversation about the Tobias Harris signing and Cade Cunningham 225 million extension incoming 😂
What a great pod man!! This 3 guys have the best chemistry!! Always enjoy watching it!
The Whiz of the Quiz... "banned MacMahon"
This episode was a boat race, team chemistry in full effect. Even Bontemps turned over a new blanket.
Criminally underrated comment
Windy always keeping it REAL, but a gentleman. 😂
who keeps telling the dork with the backwards hat he looks cool? his mom?
Selling the Celtics directly after a championship is just pure business. It’s good business.
Lebron offering the paycut was a PR move. Look at the names he said was ok, none of them taking MLE
Yup after he took a rough hit with forcing bronny on the team
They were supposed to move contracts along with the payout to pay those guys
There are 3 teams that know how to build a team in the current NBA and rules. The Spurs, OKC and Boston. Every other team is shooting their shot by wasting all their picks before they have a good team, and then when financial problems come up they just lose meaningful players. You see it with Nuggets, Warriors, Lakers, Suns. With these rules flexibility is key and if you want a great team for more than one title. You need to always have assets, even after you win a title
Mavericks too
The Spurs? They haven't won anything in over a decade. Get over yourself
There are way more yeams that are financially prudent and will not be in cao hell in the coming yrs and I would put before the Spurs. Mark my words if Wemby don't get the team in the playin next season the talks will come esoecially if he can't live up to the hype he end his rookie season on.
@@mollyweir9350 Wemby will resign his first deal. The same way every other player in history has done
@@OotoriKyouya They actually won a title in 2014 so really. Also name another team that has the future GOAT
The pistons had Isaiah Livers and Isaiah Stewart at the same time last year lol
great to see these guys so relaxed and in good spirits.
25:37 either Bontmeps is breaking news or he’s mistaken. The non guaranteed 3rd year hasn’t been reported as either option yet. When Presti signed Sort it took two weeks for the team option news to come out
Why is everybody worried about our defense? We will be fine. It was our offense that hurt us in the finals.
Thank you! If you would've told me Boston wouldn't score more than 107 in the series I would assume we won or it went 7 games. Our overall defense wasn't as bad as they made it seem. Our offense, particularly our 3pt percentage was THE problem, it was non-existent. Klay fits perfectly into solving that problem.
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You weren’t on the team Dallas fan
@@user-ci7vu7eo9w you must be a warriors fan or a lakers one....lol
@@tyronerhodes6878How about the Kings...the team that knocked them out, the team that he shot 0-10. 🙄
absolute goated MacMahon episode
If I’m Steph I’m requesting a trade. Their team is going to be awful.
he shouldn’t have to ask, the NBA should force the warriors to for malpractice..
Wow Bontemps really trying to act like this is how he saw it playing out the whole time with Donovan Mitchell. LOL dudes a weasel
33:14 “Speaking of teams with guys under contract”
So every team in every sport through all of history?😂
We might see Steph finally go for 80 points.
Klay and Dray have been putting alot of mental strain on Curry
McMahon was on 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
That intro was so good😂
That trivia is made trivial by the fact the Knicks have had so few 50 win seasons, period.
very very good again for the 2nd str8 show, in-depth breakdown of all the major signings as well as the impending sale of the Celtics (never ever seen a team go up for sale right after winning it all, the closest I can recall was the '97 'fire-sale' after the Marlins won the World Series), can't wait to see how '24-'25 season plays out
Warriors a bonafide 11th seed.
Talk all year will be about Steph’s commitment to Golden State.
Tbh if they can’t swing Lauri they should consider blowing it up. West is way too deep and they won’t make any noise with the roster as is. Steph is someone who deserves to play with one team his entire career however it would suck for him to go out on a lottery team.
He should be given the chance to get another ring or two elsewhere and GSW can receive some picks back in return. They can also look to get rid of draymond too
If they ever trade Steph they're obviously getting rid of Draymond.
@@MrOctober44 of course
The league can’t sustain paying these players that much money. It’s insane. Things are gonna level out, Pretty sure viewership is bout a much as they gonna get
Why do you care? They're not in this business to lose money, lol.
The Mavs somehow for once in my life exceeded expectations in FA. Kyrie made a difference, we have potentially the best player in the NBA. It's going to be an awesome season.
Caruso lol. That dude got cooked when guarding actual offensive threats. Even Okoro gave him buckets.
Omaha Windy knows the Midwest😂
How was Jonas a long shot ? They just didn’t do their job. He signed for less than the MLE
in all my years of listening I never heard ban mchmahon on freeze like that bontemps pulling his I-35 chain
👍I like the interesting nugget of information, finding out Clay's financial advisor's connection with his new coach, Kid. I like to hear about past associations that might affect present-day interactions.
7:33 - 8:05 right ✅ thank you for that 🙏🏾
When McMahon and Bontemps are talking about the Celtics ownership 37:00 the Celtics are a grouped owned team led by Grousbeck. I’d expect the other part owners of Boston Basketball LLC to bid more money to get the Celtics, plus another part owner who’d be the lead guy, like how Grousbeck was.
So basically, I’d expect a “swap” of Grousbeck to another owner, but Grousbeck is looking to retain governorship, so with the new TV deals, new expansion teams, I could see a deal that the new owner(s) would pay the massive tax bill, and Grousbeck would be willing to take less money just so that means he doesn’t have to pay a massive amount.
Wyc can just have it in the deal that he has basketball power untill his majority share is fully sold.
I'm not sure why they think Klay is a worst defender then Kyrie or Luka.
Elite pod today fellas, loving the laughs and good vibes. Salute and let’s have a great summer ✅
Great opening...love the "Chip" on the highway analogy!
Bontemps the biggest hater in media lmao
Can we cheap out for Danuel House? How about…man what wast that long wing defender Houston traded for Capella? Is he still any good? 15:25
The boys are in the zone on this one
Currently an I-5 guy but grew up near I-35 in Iowa. What nobody talks about is the dearth of talent in this corridor. There's talent in Texas, but Iowa, Minnesota and Missouri: not so much.
Homie doesn’t look as cool as he thinks he does with that Mets hat on all stupid 😂
Lots of people hate him but I love Bontemps lol. Trio is a great vibe in spite (or because) of the bickering and interruptions, if they break it up I'll probably stop watching.
The Celtics just proved they don’t need to be the greatest team ever made to win an nba championship… we just need to pay to keep guys who know how to play and make sure we always have a shot. Thats what the fans want. Of course every fan wants to win every year but everyone is going to settle in to the understanding that every CBA keeps changing everything and it’s being done on purpose to help basketball be better and more competitive so new rules will have to be taken in stride.
You’re talking like the Celtics were the 8th seed or something. Their roster is stacked, if they didn’t win the chip everyone should’ve been fired and traded
Friday vibes on a Tuesday ahh podcast today
How do you choose the best locations for shooting videos like this?
What post-production techniques were used to enhance this video?
What's up with the Kris Dunn deal to the Clippers 🤔
Klays contract was laughably low. But more in line with realistic and how i view it. But not in line with the rest of the nba.
It’s crazy that Klay and Kyrie are now teammates!
What matters to Klay is money and a chance to compete for a ring asap. Period
As opposed to what, lol? What else does any player care about other then money or winning? 😂
Bontemps' analysis on Lakers vis-a-vis OKC and Dallas is just hilarious. Nothing really stands...
I’m from Milwaukee, Midwest or nothing.
Klay needs a ray Allen moment in game 6. That's all he's paid for
OKC is giving me 03-04 Pistons vibes. That team is gonna lock down a lot of teams
Bontemps is right about us continuing to bet on DLO but the single worst decision was breaking up the team for Westbrook, I never liked that idea from when it was just a rumor
Both Grimes and Naji did well vs those top dudes.
I now think Mitchell could be on trade market, or he will be ok with cavs 2 centers and 2 pgs and max stus starting 5 !
Is kalu being on the team going to make Luka play consistent defense
Love the Hoop Collective. If the Thunder doesn’t start IHart at 29 Mill a year they are crazy. Bontemps is off today!
Nah, you’re just wrong. Doesn’t matter how much he makes, he’ll get the same minutes as he got last year but definitely off the bench. You just don’t know ball and don’t know Presti.
They paid him because they had nobody else to pay for two years. I understand from the outside looking in it sounds crazy but he is the backup center. CHET IS OKC STARTING CENTER FOR HIS CAREER
@@jackiemoon5906 I believe they feel Chet is not built for the wear and tear of banging bodies with Centers and will move him to Power Forward. That is no slight to Chet. He is not strong enough yet in my opinion.
@@dwaynelee1789 with all due respect it doesn’t matter what you believe they will do. Go look at the numbers with Chet. He’s a good center. You guys see a few highlights of him getting knocked around and think it’s reality
Buccee's is like that, he ain't lying
So Mr. I-35 not familiar with I-35 like us plebs, why isn't there a team in Austin, TX then yet or when will there be? And if you talk about Buccee's and don't talk about the wall of jerky, candy and nugg-ees then what exactly are you doing? /s
Bontemps from Midwest New York State. 🤣
Bontemps such a clown other two are always solid though
Comparing Josh to Tim defensively is bull. Especially when you consider the great defense Josh played during the Mavs playoff run.
ihart has the best overall 4 point games in the league.
I love that Tim Bontemps says things like 'as is our network' when he referred to everyone that thinks that the Lakers are always just one piece away from another title when everyone else is scratching their heads, wondering how they can be so completely delusional and yet still manage to function in society. I think it's just another example of modern society's celebration of ignorance and the esteem that seems to come with being wrong about everything and yet believing that you're a genius. I mean, they're absolutely everywhere.
Including you.
AD and Lebron were really good in the playoffs the issue is they need two qaulity starters to add to the roster and have failed to do that.. If they did they are in contention
I thought what the Celtics are doing was an original Jerry Reinsdorf move?
I dont understand how these guys think Klay will work with Dallas then with Kyrie Luka and Klay.what defence 😂
He driving I-35 off gp now 😂😂
Call this IN THE WIND podcast
First guard sub, and maybe the second, will be defensive guard, Hardy’s minutes will drop way off. Hope OMax can start taking over minutes from Maxi, who we needs to limit minutes.
It's time to give Hardy constant mins or trade him
But you guys also said cuban took a 1billion discount sooo
My favorite pod 🫡 Great beginning to the show 😆
It seems to me the Thunder intend to keep the picks to keep rolling under the cap and let guys go replace them with first round pick guys or they would of traded for Lauri.. Will Utah trade Lauri to anyone else i.e. the lakers two first rounders and release the top 4 protection on 27 for dlo and reeves plus pick swaps..
Klay wasnt gonna cost the lakers a first when he didnt cost dallas a first lol
Defensively I think the mavs will be ok. When you have gafferd and lively it covers up ALOT of holes. Same thing that happened with the timberwolves and gobert. Just need to run shooters off the line to their bigs.
Having 12 quality rotation players is honestly only good if your team experiences long injury absences.
Otherwise, it’s kind of overkill. You can only play 5 guys at a time and in the playoffs, rotations shrink to 7/8
Why is that a bad team? Injuries happen and inconsistent play
@@DANGiiMC00L it’s not a bad thing, but it’s not as big of a game changer as one would think. And if guys start getting hurt or play poorly, you no longer have the “12 quality rotation players”
Its Lakers then Knicks then Warriors then Celtics in value
the mavs have shown they’re more than capable at improving at the trade deadline, they still have some MLE money to play with and they’re under the first apron now so let’s not act like if any issues come up with a couple role players not performing that it won’t be addressed
They're out of assets so they're not improving at the trade deadline like last year
@@bren226they still have two firsts they can trade / swap, plus a couple young players other teams might be interested in. They don’t have a ton of assets but to say they have none isn’t true.
@@bren226 improvement doesn’t always mean getting an all star, everyone said the mavs had no assets this season then turned grant williams and richaun holmes into pj washington and daniel gafford, nico harrison has been living good off 3 team trades as well
The Warriors aren’t on I-5. That’s the Kings. I-5 runs through Sacramento, not San Francisco.
Ive taken I35 from Dallas back to Minneapolis after flying down and driving back a race/tuner car. B-on-temp(s) is the furthest thing from a midwesterner their is.
Jonas didnt take a pay cut though he signed for 10mil per season and Rob couldnt even get him
There's no buckys is in oklahoma city And I think clay thompsong's gonna slow down the mavericks , which is okay with me
Okc and Boston are league of their own
Okc blah.blah blah, everyone thinks they’re the 98 Bulls all of a sudden… they still haven’t got out of the 2nd round with this squad and haven’t got by Dallas yet…
@@AB-pd7nh The mavericks don’t have near the talent OKC does.
@@reed1511exactly. OKC cruised by Dallas in the 2nd round.
To be honest Klay to the Mavs really doesn't make a difference. Klay is a shell of himself.The west is so deep I doubt the Mavs get back to the NBA finals next year.
Everything ain't gonna break right again for the Mavs.
Y'all move as a collective