"I am the canvas against which you play your struggles" I like MUCH more this version of the Great Darkness. Not just a "bad guy behind the bad guy" but as the natural force of conflict that makes character's good nature shine. That is why it is all of the villains, because it is antagonism in itself, the Trigon to Raven, the Lucifer to Constantine, the Darkseid to the Justice League. And you cannot blame antagonism, just antagonISTS. If there is a way to represent an "ultimate evil" for DC, that is as elegant as you could have it
Lucifer is never a villian, never even met constantine beside lucifer 3rd series where he help constantine. Also in 3rd lucifer series great darkness was lucifer one of many avatar.
Makes sense to be honest. Being a fundamental part of everything would mean the great darkness would be indifferent to good or bad. It just exists and light is what gives it meaning/value or it has nothing to contrast itself against. If someone were to be able to harness gravity for example and use it to destroy we wouldn't blame the gravity it's just a force that exists.
Philosophically, light doesn't give it meaning. That's why it's called "The Great Darkness". Darkness, or oblivion exists without light. The same could be said about light not having anything to contrast itself with if darkness didn't exist. They're both necessary for juxtaposition.
While I don’t like how the Great Darkness is “behind everything” like Dr. Manhattan as a conscious force, I do love the sort of poetry of Darkness appreciating light. How it’s just a titanic force out there sort of like the Presence that isn’t directly involved but slightly influences things by existing. That trope of darkness and light coexisting is always fascinating to see in stories and I wasn’t expecting it to be explored in DC. Hopefully this concept continues and isn’t changed later!
@@Watch-0w1 he is an entity that is as powerful if not more powerful than the presence, he is neither good or evil, in this event it was explained that he was corrupted by pariah
Glad were seeing more Raven. She's sucha cool character. I fell in love with her ever since the awesome Teen Titans show that aired on Cartoon Network back in the day. Man those were good times.
I have been listening to Rob for years and I have been waiting for him to cover the Magical side of DC for so very long. I am very much looking forward to hearing these tales through this buttery, excited, and knowledgeable tone that is comics explained.
You're confusing philosophy with mindless nonsense. There's nothing deep about this and saying there is no darkness without light or creation without destruction. This is even contradictory writing as the narrative claims the darkness to be neither good nor evil and yet it is the cause of violence, rage and every twisted impulse people feel. As if those are universal constants. Do you think a lion feels rage when it kills? Does a Cuckoo feel jealousy and spite when it lays it's egg in another birds nest? No. Cruelty, rage and hatred are uniquely human behaviours and attitudes so this idea of it being some elemental aspect of the universe just puts this character as nothing more than a part of the emotional spectrum.
A Super Séance? Like Lord Frieza always feared! And if they’re going where I thinks they’re going with The Great Darkness, then I’m glad of it. Marvel can get away with the whole “The One Above All and One Below All are cosmic beings beyond comprehension, two sides of the same coin blah blah.” But DC, straight up, always had God, capital G and the Devil as canonical characters in their universe. If the Great Darkness is just the Devil, no pastiches, accept no substitutes, that’s what I’m talking about.
Great storytelling of good and evil, the light and the dark being symbols of 2 sides of humanity. The green & Kent being avatars of our greatness and what can come from it. And very interesting the story intertwining with the original crisis. Do Flashpoint beyond bossman. Eager to hear your take on it.
He was lame as hell. He was enslaved and killed by belial in hell on earth. And 22:25 confirms that it was the vertigo lucifer cause here lucifer is referencing his vertigo version.
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I kind of like the idea that The Great Darkness is not evil & I understand not making The Great Darkness the main villain because it's too powerful and I'm ready to see Pariah get the ultimate combo because he sucks
Up until the great darkness saga, it was always known as the great evil beast. And was for all intents and purposes evil incarnate. Not the absence of light which is known as Oblivion in Marvel comics and as pralaya in DC comics. Now they're treating it as an indifferent force of nature.
I can't keep up with all the different crisis and multiversal level threats anymore. I'm still stuck back trying to understand exactly what was going on in Dark Knights Metal and Doomsday Clock
This story pretty much retcon all those, they don't matter anymore that's why they don't mention perpetua or Manhattan. They are insignificant when it comes to the great darkness and the presence
@@mmanzanozr1 see ok I understand the Presence being basically The One Above All, but every big baddy in the last 5 years has been "all other villains before them are nothing" it's getting so tiring lol
@@Synge2050 yeah but that's just comics formula in general. The next story has to be a bigger bad guy, what this story is doing is restoring DC original hierarchy of power where the presence and great darkness are above all. Stories like dark knights metal was trying to say otherwise and respecting what has been established before them
@mmanzanozr1 ok that's good then, but like you said, the general formula of comics is to create the next big baddy I'm sure the status quo is gonna change again soon. Biggest reason why I haven't been able to get back into comics is whenever they do something I really like, two years later it's irrelevant and whatever was being set-up has been thrown away for something new that was never foreshadowed. Superhero comics from Marvel and DC should use more permanent consequences in their stories, otherwise eventually nobody is going to care anymore.
Editor's Note: apologies if this thought has already been brought up or if I missed something. His wording also suggests the Great Darkness is the embodiment of the Bad side of the Good Vs. Bad equation - I'm thinking along the lines of the Endless and their type of influance/power/etc... Most importantly, though, The Great Darkness is an "aspect" of, in general, the overall comic book story, and more specifically, the DC continuity uni/omni/metaverse - this story based reality. The Presence being the opposite side - though an argument should be made that in the context of the story, both these aspects, good and bad, are one in the same - they ARE the story. So, of course, neither of THEM would want things to end... so a character, surly and with bad intentions, is the catalyst for the story to have it's necessary conflict to insure interest, and LET THE STORY CONTINUE. Just early morning thoughts absorbing your summary - love the channel man.
What could be cool. If Jonathan Ken stopped developing his physical ability and started learning magic. So he never becomes as powerful as Kal physically, but less weakness and different strengths.
Well Krypton had it own magi's who used elemental magic. Earth/Air/Fire/Water but a Kryptonian has to be born with the ability to use magic, maybe they can say due to Jon being Human/Kryptonian hybrid this gives him the ability to a Magi and then have him learn the Kryptonian magic.
Thanks for posting. Great analysis. Reminds me, Lucifer/the devil comes to lie, cheat, steal and destroy. I am reminded of Alan Scott's oath, "And i shall shed my light on the darkness because the darkness ca not stand the light. The light of the Green Lantern!" In the end, the darkness is finite. Every star in the galazy, every life encountered, is a light upon creation....If we have the WILL to use it.
I'm pretty sure Alan Moore would not be happy with this depiction of the "Great Darkness" as the ultimate manifestation of evil. In the original Swamp Thing story, the whole meta-purpose of the great darkness is that it was "defined" into existence by it's encounters with numerous heroic entities that made assumptions about it's nature. Ultimately, the Presence reached out, they shook hands, and the idea was that blanket black and white "good and evil" morality was going to fade away post-reboot in favor of a more nuanced sort of moral sense.
The implication was that the great darkness wasn't really evil though. It was more neutral just as the presence is since it's the other half. Pariah is the villain of this. Regardless, Alan Moore wouldn't like this since he doesn't really like the genre as a whole.
That always annoys me to no end. You'd think Superman, Jonathan in this case, would know better then to fight in places that would logically not house the power source they rely on.
Well, he DC'S new it boy, "The new Superman of the Modern Generation", so he has to be here if even if Kara and 1/2 the Justice have more experience and Power than he does. Young Justice (charcters who are all older and more experienced than Jon) are currently battling with the son of Mr.Mxyzptlk, the kinda teenager tie-in you'd expect Kid Jon, Damian, Yara and Wallace, being the newbs would be on is DC didn't have its priorities whacked.
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Dark Opposite to the creator of the multiverse, a dimension of Green energy, Left Fist vs Right Outstretched Hand imagery, a living metaphor for the half of the writer that has to make the problems for the other half to solve… Getting a lot of TOBA vibes from TGD.
So. A hunch on my part. In the end it's just a Mercy Killing. Pariah wants out. And like Cyborg Superman, he keeps trying to get himself killed by being thrown into every Crisis, but it never takes. The curse is that he lives, bears witness and suffers. In that re-imagining, the only outcome the Great Darkness would accept is straight out of _It's a Wonderful Life:_ If Pariah can't die, ever, you'd best make damned sure he's never born. Meaning Pariah gets dead either before he finds his Anti-Matter Chamber, or he dies from the Chamber and doesn't survive _Crisis on Infinite Earths._ The result is you only get ONE multiverse, as large or small as it becomes after worlds get snarfed by The Great Darkness. Darkseid, Pariah, The Quintessence, the Original Trinity if not the core Mainstream Justice League, they all have to die and stay dead as existence once again *becomes smaller* to fit in A New Multiverse. Essentially the idea of The Bleed--a 7-dimensional hyper-snowflake whose blades are each whole multiverses--gets barred entirely as most of it becomes a void to placate The Great Darkness. This is DC's saying "time marches ON (on,on, on . . .)" as loudly as it can while it shrinks its canon forcibly and makes it work for a decade of stability or so. The torch forcibly gets passed, not just to a new Flash but a whole new League, while the Nerd Men way over there foam at the mouth as _Doomsday Clock's_ stunted multiverse actually comes to pass. The New Frontier is no longer Infinite, but at Factorial 52 Worlds (52! Parallel Earths) large, the distinction only matters on New Earth-Prime, to comic book editors . . . and perhaps to the newly reset heroes of Earth-Prime itself. :) Which is where the next damned thing happens, minus Pariah, of course.
@@mmanzanozr1 I'm not saying I disagree with you. But here's the point of it: it's so clear and present it may as well be a tautology. Your point that is. OF COURSE that trick never works (/Rocky the Flying Squirrel). That's not the question. The question is, is this a short-short rebootening (like what happened with the New 52) or is this something intended and maybe coerced into being longer-term like A New Earth was post-_Crisis on Infinite Earths?_ All signs including the literal title on the comics themselves suggest the latter and frankly? We fans may have worn out our welcome and influence on this. Detective Comics, Comics, Inc. Inc. might well be in a "bite me fanboy" mood and just force the issue for a decade-plus. And I'm just noting that I see this coming, and that it's irritating. :)
It's just like in Marvel One Above All / One Below All being the same being. In DC, the Presence and the Great Darkness are likely the same as well. They're supposed to be the creator/ eternal beings who are just passive observers and have no real desires and motives of their own.
The most interesting part of great darkness and what he says makes him an aspect of Ahriman god of evil... Ahriman is in eternal fight with his brother Ahura Mazda the God of good... Whenever one side wins their father Zurvan The primordial all father god of creations , infinite time, space, dark matter and destiny resurrect the child who died and reset the universe.
I've been reading the main series and find it lacking. But with this Tie-in, Ram V knocked it outta the park. And Yes, Rob and anyone else should be covering Moore's Swamp Thing. Almost 35 years later and it still influences anything and everything supernatural in DC and comics as a whole.
I think it's a dynamic in which the Great Darkness doesn't actively try to conquer or destroy everything because, in a world where it's nothing but blackness, light is it's only entertainment. The opposite could probably be said about The Presence.
The Great Darkness, just that name or whatever reminds me of, what was that, the never ending story and the Nothing? That's the first thing I thought of whenever you said the great darkness. I know their two different things and two different stories, but still, kinda the same....
20:30 the more interesting question is who would win in a power struggle, the great darkness or the presence. But if they are being true to the philosophy, neither one is stronger than the other and neither one could exist without the other. Ofc Lucifer is weaker than the source of all chaos, obviously. The only people who could make that mistake know nothing about religion or philosophy. Though Lucifer is often confused with the ultimate evil.
Based on this conversation, the Great Darkness is The Endless's mom, Night. She's having a fling with Pariah, and killed the Justice League for her new boo.
Hey rob, sorta unrelated. But what ever happened with that story with Dr.Manhattan calling out the Marvel guys in the future. Did that ever come into fruition yet? I forget and don’t remember anything past that.
Why was lucifer so lame? He was lame as hell. He was enslaved and killed by belial in hell on earth. And 22:25 confirms that it was the vertigo lucifer cause here lucifer is referencing his vertigo version. So vertigo lucifer got enslaved and killed by a minor son of trigon.
I read Marvel's Ultimates the complete collection and I keep making connections between Marvel and DC that are startling. As Adam Brashear and the rest of the team traverse the omni-verse and exit through to the outside, Thanos is found surrounded by guess what? DARKNESS! oblivion - the absence of everything very much like the great darkness you read about in this story. I just love these parallels, they're elusive but intriguing.
Now darkness doesn't represent chaos it represents a lack of God darkness. Presence loves chaos said unpredictability and randomes is his favourite thing,
@@daraghokane4236 yes, darkness represents chaos, in every sense of the word. Its creation vs destruction, both of which are important and neither one is better than the other. Its not good vs evil, its chaos vs order. Rob even talked about it at several points in the video, The Great Darkness or the great beast isn't evil.
Random question. Is Superman's weakness to magic an actual weakness or is it that his powers don't give him any special effect against magic? Like he's as vulnerable as the next person.
I can turn Superman into a pony with a spell just like I could any other person. Superman has no resistance to it. But beings like Shazam and Wonderwoman who have magical resistance would be able to resist it. So yes you could effect Superman with magic and even kill him if you are strong enough.
Magic is like to him, what a bullet is to Batman. Given enough damage it can kill him but he can survive it against it. But he doesnt make him weak with its mere presence
Jade and Obsidian are alive again! How does that work with the mixed up Green Lantern history now? Remember when Kyle made her the first of the new GL Corps? Hmmm....
I think everyone's missing the obvious point to all this, he says it himself; The Great Darkness simply wants to resurrect David Bowie.
Team Great Darkness
Meaning Lucifer Morningstar favorite as David Bowie
@@gabrielhughes8221 OMG!
@@ultron1191 What?
SuperSwampMan ftw
"I am the canvas against which you play your struggles" I like MUCH more this version of the Great Darkness. Not just a "bad guy behind the bad guy" but as the natural force of conflict that makes character's good nature shine. That is why it is all of the villains, because it is antagonism in itself, the Trigon to Raven, the Lucifer to Constantine, the Darkseid to the Justice League.
And you cannot blame antagonism, just antagonISTS. If there is a way to represent an "ultimate evil" for DC, that is as elegant as you could have it
Lucifer is never a villian, never even met constantine beside lucifer 3rd series where he help constantine. Also in 3rd lucifer series great darkness was lucifer one of many avatar.
"Don't you understand John? I love Bowie too"
- Great Darkness
Makes sense to be honest. Being a fundamental part of everything would mean the great darkness would be indifferent to good or bad. It just exists and light is what gives it meaning/value or it has nothing to contrast itself against. If someone were to be able to harness gravity for example and use it to destroy we wouldn't blame the gravity it's just a force that exists.
Philosophically, light doesn't give it meaning. That's why it's called "The Great Darkness". Darkness, or oblivion exists without light. The same could be said about light not having anything to contrast itself with if darkness didn't exist. They're both necessary for juxtaposition.
A crisis? Where’s superboy prime?
"...Your flicker is the only light I get"
Damm that's beautiful, sometimes comics still get me, even at my old bitter age
While I don’t like how the Great Darkness is “behind everything” like Dr. Manhattan as a conscious force, I do love the sort of poetry of Darkness appreciating light. How it’s just a titanic force out there sort of like the Presence that isn’t directly involved but slightly influences things by existing.
That trope of darkness and light coexisting is always fascinating to see in stories and I wasn’t expecting it to be explored in DC. Hopefully this concept continues and isn’t changed later!
My question is. Is he the great nothiness or great evil? How can he be the same
He give empty heart?
@@Watch-0w1 he is an entity that is as powerful if not more powerful than the presence, he is neither good or evil, in this event it was explained that he was corrupted by pariah
He isn't even the most powerful, in a few runs there will be even greater darkness who laughs
@@lucaiacob6206 ah yes the classic "entity beyond God" is corrupted by a dude....happens to the best of us 🙄
@@lucaiacob6206 so u saying from beging of time he corrupted everyone after he look how universe is made. Y?
I love when villains "grown man" talks to heroes like this lmao No matter how much they are taunting them, in the end, they're right......
Not really.
This comic has some of the best line and coloring work that I've seen in a long time. It's beautiful.
Glad were seeing more Raven. She's sucha cool character. I fell in love with her ever since the awesome Teen Titans show that aired on Cartoon Network back in the day. Man those were good times.
Glad she's not conveniently nerfed
Raven is so OP and such a great character
@@eljefe3864 she's not a great character
She always been my crush
She kind of overrated and focused on to much when it comes to titans but hey it’s just my opinion.
I love how "Trigon" is taunting Constantine here lmao TALK THAT SH*T sir!! Love it!! 😎
I have been listening to Rob for years and I have been waiting for him to cover the Magical side of DC for so very long. I am very much looking forward to hearing these tales through this buttery, excited, and knowledgeable tone that is comics explained.
Adore the story, specially the talk between Constantine and the great darkness, that was just a philosophical trip of the highest order 😶
You love to see it
It was really great wasn't it
it's pretty easy to grasp lol
You're confusing philosophy with mindless nonsense. There's nothing deep about this and saying there is no darkness without light or creation without destruction. This is even contradictory writing as the narrative claims the darkness to be neither good nor evil and yet it is the cause of violence, rage and every twisted impulse people feel. As if those are universal constants.
Do you think a lion feels rage when it kills? Does a Cuckoo feel jealousy and spite when it lays it's egg in another birds nest? No. Cruelty, rage and hatred are uniquely human behaviours and attitudes so this idea of it being some elemental aspect of the universe just puts this character as nothing more than a part of the emotional spectrum.
A Super Séance? Like Lord Frieza always feared!
And if they’re going where I thinks they’re going with The Great Darkness, then I’m glad of it. Marvel can get away with the whole “The One Above All and One Below All are cosmic beings beyond comprehension, two sides of the same coin blah blah.” But DC, straight up, always had God, capital G and the Devil as canonical characters in their universe. If the Great Darkness is just the Devil, no pastiches, accept no substitutes, that’s what I’m talking about.
Great storytelling of good and evil, the light and the dark being symbols of 2 sides of humanity. The green & Kent being avatars of our greatness and what can come from it. And very interesting the story intertwining with the original crisis. Do Flashpoint beyond bossman. Eager to hear your take on it.
Let me tell ya something.
When I see lucifer in the thumbnail ohhhh you know it's gonna be good
He was lame as hell. He was enslaved and killed by belial in hell on earth. And 22:25 confirms that it was the vertigo lucifer cause here lucifer is referencing his vertigo version.
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That Raven silhouette at 9:49 sure do look like a floating rooster
So essentially the great darkness is intrusive thoughts
Pretty much. Everything negative but not evil in nature
I love how Rob simplifies everything for us so we get the full depth of what we're reading or listening too for those that only come for the videos! 🤚🏾(Guilty)
I kind of like the idea that The Great Darkness is not evil & I understand not making The Great Darkness the main villain because it's too powerful and I'm ready to see Pariah get the ultimate combo because he sucks
I hope superman breaks pariah in half and shows his dominance.
@@mel-el5862 Superman died
Up until the great darkness saga, it was always known as the great evil beast. And was for all intents and purposes evil incarnate. Not the absence of light which is known as Oblivion in Marvel comics and as pralaya in DC comics.
Now they're treating it as an indifferent force of nature.
@@accessdenied5998 no he did not
@@accessdenied5998 It's comics... he'll be back again to die to some other super big bad guy and come back again later.
I can't keep up with all the different crisis and multiversal level threats anymore. I'm still stuck back trying to understand exactly what was going on in Dark Knights Metal and Doomsday Clock
Same
This story pretty much retcon all those, they don't matter anymore that's why they don't mention perpetua or Manhattan. They are insignificant when it comes to the great darkness and the presence
@@mmanzanozr1 see ok I understand the Presence being basically The One Above All, but every big baddy in the last 5 years has been "all other villains before them are nothing" it's getting so tiring lol
@@Synge2050 yeah but that's just comics formula in general. The next story has to be a bigger bad guy, what this story is doing is restoring DC original hierarchy of power where the presence and great darkness are above all. Stories like dark knights metal was trying to say otherwise and respecting what has been established before them
@mmanzanozr1 ok that's good then, but like you said, the general formula of comics is to create the next big baddy I'm sure the status quo is gonna change again soon.
Biggest reason why I haven't been able to get back into comics is whenever they do something I really like, two years later it's irrelevant and whatever was being set-up has been thrown away for something new that was never foreshadowed.
Superhero comics from Marvel and DC should use more permanent consequences in their stories, otherwise eventually nobody is going to care anymore.
Editor's Note: apologies if this thought has already been brought up or if I missed something.
His wording also suggests the Great Darkness is the embodiment of the Bad side of the Good Vs. Bad equation - I'm thinking along the lines of the Endless and their type of influance/power/etc... Most importantly, though, The Great Darkness is an "aspect" of, in general, the overall comic book story, and more specifically, the DC continuity uni/omni/metaverse - this story based reality. The Presence being the opposite side - though an argument should be made that in the context of the story, both these aspects, good and bad, are one in the same - they ARE the story.
So, of course, neither of THEM would want things to end... so a character, surly and with bad intentions, is the catalyst for the story to have it's necessary conflict to insure interest, and LET THE STORY CONTINUE.
Just early morning thoughts absorbing your summary - love the channel man.
What could be cool. If Jonathan Ken stopped developing his physical ability and started learning magic. So he never becomes as powerful as Kal physically, but less weakness and different strengths.
Dude yes
Well Krypton had it own magi's who used elemental magic. Earth/Air/Fire/Water but a Kryptonian has to be born with the ability to use magic, maybe they can say due to Jon being Human/Kryptonian hybrid this gives him the ability to a Magi and then have him learn the Kryptonian magic.
I hate when people say Superman is weak against magic when he just isn't strong against it.
Kal actually become immune to both magic and kryptonite after a while so that's kind of useless.
@@LainK1978 Early superman is definitely 100% weak to magic. He later becomes immune though so it's whatever.
*_The Darkness Believes In A Thing Called, Love._*
The great darkness seems like a swell guy! Wouldn't mind sharing a drink or two with them.
Rob,
Please brother, please cover the Alan Moore run on Swamp Thing.
Such an epic kickass series.
Thanks for posting. Great analysis. Reminds me, Lucifer/the devil comes to lie, cheat, steal and destroy. I am reminded of Alan Scott's oath, "And i shall shed my light on the darkness because the darkness ca not stand the light. The light of the Green Lantern!" In the end, the darkness is finite. Every star in the galazy, every life encountered, is a light upon creation....If we have the WILL to use it.
The great darkness is Heath Ledger's Joker. "I won't kill you because you're just too much fun"
What do you expect it from a God of chaos and evil?
I'm the new kid on the scene thanks for the shout-out Rob!
The whole dialogue about TGD being a romantic was awesome.
~_~
Damn, this was a deep, deep part of the arch itself! This was fascinating as a whole! Good job DC Comics!
P
I'm pretty sure Alan Moore would not be happy with this depiction of the "Great Darkness" as the ultimate manifestation of evil. In the original Swamp Thing story, the whole meta-purpose of the great darkness is that it was "defined" into existence by it's encounters with numerous heroic entities that made assumptions about it's nature. Ultimately, the Presence reached out, they shook hands, and the idea was that blanket black and white "good and evil" morality was going to fade away post-reboot in favor of a more nuanced sort of moral sense.
The implication was that the great darkness wasn't really evil though. It was more neutral just as the presence is since it's the other half. Pariah is the villain of this.
Regardless, Alan Moore wouldn't like this since he doesn't really like the genre as a whole.
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That always annoys me to no end. You'd think Superman, Jonathan in this case, would know better then to fight in places that would logically not house the power source they rely on.
Well, he DC'S new it boy, "The new Superman of the Modern Generation", so he has to be here if even if Kara and 1/2 the Justice have more experience and Power than he does.
Young Justice (charcters who are all older and more experienced than Jon) are currently battling with the son of Mr.Mxyzptlk, the kinda teenager tie-in you'd expect Kid Jon, Damian, Yara and Wallace, being the newbs would be on is DC didn't have its priorities whacked.
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The great darkness or absence as I heard people call it is quickly becoming one of my favorite characters in dc
Dark Opposite to the creator of the multiverse, a dimension of Green energy, Left Fist vs Right Outstretched Hand imagery, a living metaphor for the half of the writer that has to make the problems for the other half to solve…
Getting a lot of TOBA vibes from TGD.
Truuuuue!
TOBA?
@@notsohacked5910 The One Below All, from Marvel. The Great Darkness seems heavily inspired by them.
@@PureGoldNeverCorrodes I think GD is from the 80s🎃
@@zayneabdelmegid2740 this story’s the first I’ve heard of them as an actual entity. Although lots of media have referred to great darknesses.
Character Explained: Hero Zero (Dark Horse Comics)
Character Explained: Johnny Thunder (DC Comics)
I want to see The Great Darkness saying "I love Bowie too" followed by the Superman V Batman "BWAAAAH BWA-BWA-BWA-BWAAAAAAH" sound.
Constantine has balls of steel I would be pissing myself in front of the great darkness but Constantine see it as another job.
So. A hunch on my part. In the end it's just a Mercy Killing. Pariah wants out. And like Cyborg Superman, he keeps trying to get himself killed by being thrown into every Crisis, but it never takes. The curse is that he lives, bears witness and suffers. In that re-imagining, the only outcome the Great Darkness would accept is straight out of _It's a Wonderful Life:_ If Pariah can't die, ever, you'd best make damned sure he's never born.
Meaning Pariah gets dead either before he finds his Anti-Matter Chamber, or he dies from the Chamber and doesn't survive _Crisis on Infinite Earths._ The result is you only get ONE multiverse, as large or small as it becomes after worlds get snarfed by The Great Darkness. Darkseid, Pariah, The Quintessence, the Original Trinity if not the core Mainstream Justice League, they all have to die and stay dead as existence once again *becomes smaller* to fit in A New Multiverse. Essentially the idea of The Bleed--a 7-dimensional hyper-snowflake whose blades are each whole multiverses--gets barred entirely as most of it becomes a void to placate The Great Darkness.
This is DC's saying "time marches ON (on,on, on . . .)" as loudly as it can while it shrinks its canon forcibly and makes it work for a decade of stability or so. The torch forcibly gets passed, not just to a new Flash but a whole new League, while the Nerd Men way over there foam at the mouth as _Doomsday Clock's_ stunted multiverse actually comes to pass. The New Frontier is no longer Infinite, but at Factorial 52 Worlds (52! Parallel Earths) large, the distinction only matters on New Earth-Prime, to comic book editors . . .
and perhaps to the newly reset heroes of Earth-Prime itself. :) Which is where the next damned thing happens, minus Pariah, of course.
Dude they tried this already with the new 52, moving on from the trinity and giving the spotlight to other characters. It didn't work, it never works.
@@mmanzanozr1 I'm not saying I disagree with you. But here's the point of it: it's so clear and present it may as well be a tautology. Your point that is. OF COURSE that trick never works (/Rocky the Flying Squirrel). That's not the question. The question is, is this a short-short rebootening (like what happened with the New 52) or is this something intended and maybe coerced into being longer-term like A New Earth was post-_Crisis on Infinite Earths?_
All signs including the literal title on the comics themselves suggest the latter and frankly? We fans may have worn out our welcome and influence on this. Detective Comics, Comics, Inc. Inc. might well be in a "bite me fanboy" mood and just force the issue for a decade-plus. And I'm just noting that I see this coming, and that it's irritating. :)
It's funny cause I see it as a comic book version of "The nothing" from the Never Ending Story
Ngl I would love a retro day of the week where for a few months Rob covers old comics
12:18 cool combo
You know that swamp thang has the baddest azz smoke in all the multiverse son!!!!
It's just like in Marvel One Above All / One Below All being the same being. In DC, the Presence and the Great Darkness are likely the same as well. They're supposed to be the creator/ eternal beings who are just passive observers and have no real desires and motives of their own.
I got a feeling the g.darkness is persona of overmonitor.
The presence a persona of the source
@@Watch-0w1 no overvoid is presence's part and source is his aspect for current canons
I’d love to see the old swamp thing an hellblazer run w covered
My question is reguarding dark sied, was he assumulated into great darkness or just mind controled?
Superman & Swamp thing merging would be nothing less than OP. That's a concept I never thought of or imagine seeing
I wish the vertigo version of lucifer would've shown up
blonde hair and scarred face and everything
Everyone: You're the very concept of evil!
Great Darkness: Bro I just wanna vibe and watch the TV show that is you guys
Hey Rob showing love Love the channel🙏🏿👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿
This series show just how dangerous can superheroes themselves be
Did I just have a stroke trying to read that?
@@SM00THCR1M1NAL wow you have to be careful when you read comments 😂😂
Lol I'm like wait... what..? Oh I see.. 😅
Would you like some change please for you?
*This series shows just how dangerous superheroes themselves can be.
This is the new crisis event right? Are they bringing freakin Lucifer into it??? I feel like he never has crossover with the main dc lol
That’s such a Constantine moment, lighting a smoke while talking to the 2 or 3rd most powerful being in the DC Omniverse
It's = to the Presence and it's an aspect or avatar of Lucifer
I wonder which Bowie he’s more drawn too… Ziggy Stardust, Aladdin Sane, Halloween Jack, Thin White Duke or The Blind Prophet?
The most interesting part of great darkness and what he says makes him an aspect of Ahriman god of evil... Ahriman is in eternal fight with his brother Ahura Mazda the God of good... Whenever one side wins their father Zurvan The primordial all father god of creations , infinite time, space, dark matter and destiny resurrect the child who died and reset the universe.
Damn! Great video brother Rob!👍🏿
I've been reading the main series and find it lacking. But with this Tie-in, Ram V knocked it outta the park. And Yes, Rob and anyone else should be covering Moore's Swamp Thing. Almost 35 years later and it still influences anything and everything supernatural in DC and comics as a whole.
I think it's a dynamic in which the Great Darkness doesn't actively try to conquer or destroy everything because, in a world where it's nothing but blackness, light is it's only entertainment. The opposite could probably be said about The Presence.
The Great Darkness, just that name or whatever reminds me of, what was that, the never ending story and the Nothing? That's the first thing I thought of whenever you said the great darkness. I know their two different things and two different stories, but still, kinda the same....
Man I love Swamp Thing!
ROOOOOOB - No Secret Invasion this this week? That was happening on Sunday nights wasn't it?
This drak cria actually makes sense. Rob love you brother
I feel like this is a missed opportunity to not involve the Ultra Violet Lantern along side the Black Lantern.
20:30 the more interesting question is who would win in a power struggle, the great darkness or the presence. But if they are being true to the philosophy, neither one is stronger than the other and neither one could exist without the other.
Ofc Lucifer is weaker than the source of all chaos, obviously. The only people who could make that mistake know nothing about religion or philosophy. Though Lucifer is often confused with the ultimate evil.
Imagine being a member of the league that didn’t get a huge gold statue of yourself
damn! really enjoying these! thanks rob!
I feel like they could bring back sideways(sideswap?) for a multiverse transportation option
I love the Action comic 1# car's reference
Based on this conversation, the Great Darkness is The Endless's mom, Night. She's having a fling with Pariah, and killed the Justice League for her new boo.
Hey rob, sorta unrelated. But what ever happened with that story with Dr.Manhattan calling out the Marvel guys in the future. Did that ever come into fruition yet? I forget and don’t remember anything past that.
Honestly it's the best dark crisis comic for now, really cool and tense
Constantine talking to the great and the darkness was lit🔥🔥
Why was lucifer so lame? He was lame as hell. He was enslaved and killed by belial in hell on earth. And 22:25 confirms that it was the vertigo lucifer cause here lucifer is referencing his vertigo version. So vertigo lucifer got enslaved and killed by a minor son of trigon.
Preach!
My dawg, "Hellblazer" John Constantine. 😁😁😁👊👊✊✊👏👏👏👌👌
I read Marvel's Ultimates the complete collection and I keep making connections between Marvel and DC that are startling. As Adam Brashear and the rest of the team traverse the omni-verse and exit through to the outside, Thanos is found surrounded by guess what? DARKNESS! oblivion - the absence of everything very much like the great darkness you read about in this story. I just love these parallels, they're elusive but intriguing.
even in the the end lucifer still love david bowie.
just like all of us.
This event has been one emotional roller coaster
I hope God steps in this story arch and kicks butt.
3:12 the great darkness is chaos, the presence is order
Now darkness doesn't represent chaos it represents a lack of God darkness. Presence loves chaos said unpredictability and randomes is his favourite thing,
@@daraghokane4236 yes, darkness represents chaos, in every sense of the word. Its creation vs destruction, both of which are important and neither one is better than the other. Its not good vs evil, its chaos vs order.
Rob even talked about it at several points in the video, The Great Darkness or the great beast isn't evil.
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love this story so far
Random question. Is Superman's weakness to magic an actual weakness or is it that his powers don't give him any special effect against magic? Like he's as vulnerable as the next person.
Superman has no resistance to it, However Kryptonite does hurt him more still.
I can turn Superman into a pony with a spell just like I could any other person. Superman has no resistance to it. But beings like Shazam and Wonderwoman who have magical resistance would be able to resist it. So yes you could effect Superman with magic and even kill him if you are strong enough.
Magic is like to him, what a bullet is to Batman. Given enough damage it can kill him but he can survive it against it. But he doesnt make him weak with its mere presence
He has become The Super Thing 🤣
Beyond Omega Level: Enerjak(Archie Sonic)
Beyond Omega Level: Palpatine(SW: Dark Empire)
Archie sonic is a blast from the past wow
@@sanddry738 And something that needs to be covered by Rob same with Dark Horse Star Wars.
Beyond Omega Level: Rob’s Hype
Wow great ending and it makes so much sense why the presence refused to get involved!
Constantine and the great darkness are gonna be go get a drink together one day.
I love how the first form it takes to have a conversation is literally the upside down man like yikes
I still don’t see how Lucifer is the apart of the Great Darkness when The Presence/God made the guy in the first place 😂
Because you could argue that the Evil Presence we see in the Lucifer(2016) storyline is The Great Darkness.
That Swamp Thing art you opened the video with was really good. Anybody know the artist responsible? wow!
Great darkness is spitting truth
Jade and Obsidian are alive again!
How does that work with the mixed up Green Lantern history now? Remember when Kyle made her the first of the new GL Corps?
Hmmm....
The Great Darkness is every "Chan" board. Every Yelp review. Every TH-cam algorithm...
Straight up HYPE!! And we are all here for it like: 👁👄👁
Is that Lucifer???
Baron Mordo explained please!
Amazing information!
Damn, I'm watching this and putting on my tree hugging philosophical hat....read a few comments and you will too.
Peace Bruddahs
Long Live the Green
The story looks great especially when rob tells it. But I checked out a since the begin to many crisis and team ups I can't keep up