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Jazz Drumming Prodigy Reacts To Whiplash
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 ส.ค. 2024
- If you saw 2014’s award-winning movie Whiplash, you probably had questions:
Did they do it right, or is the actor overdramatizing what drummers actually do?
When Whiplash came out back in 2014, everyone was talking about it. The Academy Award-winning film covers the experience of a young jazz drummer and his intense music instructor. If you’re a drummer, everyone from your best friend to your weird uncle has probably sent you the trailer or a clip from the movie at some point.
Hollywood tends to add dramatic effect where it wouldn’t exist in real life, and a movie about drummers is no exception. So we asked Greyson Nekrutman, a young jazz drumming prodigy himself, to react to Whiplash and see how much of it looked convincing.
He’s the same age as the main character and has also had to work hard to prove himself. Check out the full video to hear Greyson's take on Hollywood's biggest drumming movie.
#Whiplash #Drumeo #MilesTeller @DrumeoOfficial
In the same scene he's asked to count the tempo aloud and does it perfectly. The whole point was that he was on tempo but he wasnt sure of himself.
He was sure of himself. Simmons character was just trying to break him to rebuild him into the greatest.
@@dylanhoward718 No, he wasn't sure. Simmons checking him for confidence
This movie is absolutely ridiculous. It maintains a consistent flow of nonsense throughout.
so neither of you know 😂😂😂
It was all mental games. He wasn't off tempo, and Simmons knew that. He was pushing Teller to check his confidence.
That was the point. It’s not even about the tempo, he’s just bullying him
Its not bullying. The point is fletcher wants neiman to show determination by making him perfect absolutely everything. His tempo must be perfect, his dynamics, everything
@@Theonepieceisreal-His motives are totally irrelevant, it’s still bullying. Actually scratch that, it is nothing less than abuse
@@Theonepieceisreal-bullying 101
No the movie is shit
The point was that he was on tempo but he wasnt sure of himself.
The goal wasnt to get him on his tempo, the goal was to have him question his abilities and break him down mentally.
The point of the scene it's Fletcher trying to "bully" him. He said in that same scene "we got Buddy Rich here!" So that's like him trying to get Andrew to feel awful. Also in the first 2 attempts you can clearly hear Andrew has indeed rushing, a lot.
He's rushing because the instructor counts off in a way no real musician ever would. Also there's an insane delay between the count and when the groove comes in. Thematically, this all works fine, but this shit is impossible to sit through if you've ever been in an actual rehearsal.
@@michaelmiradezandbanddear god, thank you. This movie is just insufferable
I was losing my fucking mind during this scene.
@@michaelmiradezandband can u imagine a film about dance....where no one can dance?
No, but I've played in the pit band for plenty of community theater musicals where no one could dance, and it's not fun to watch.
You're right
The instructor is gaslighting him
YES
Find a new word
gaslighting is the faggiest word in existence
@@vinigretzky97 2003 called, they want their slurs back
@@vinigretzky97found the walking redflag
Missing the point of the scene..
it wasn't about the tempo, it was about breaking him down.
100% .. he was never going to have the right tempo.
Aka deranged teacher. Sounds like he hit it right on the mark. Use your listening ears next time children🎉🎉
He's watching it as a musician, not a movie reviewer.
You're missing the point of his criticism. This movie is using the old sergeant breaking down his platoon trope used in numerous war movies, transporting it from the parade ground to the rehearsal room. Musicians aren't soldiers, and this bullying wouldn't fly in any music conservatory course. Not even in my day, and I studied in the 1980's. So on that level it's unrealistic.
alot of drummers dont like this movie because they notice all the super exaggerated/unrealistic shit in order to make it dramatic. i didnt like it wen i first saw it too
Glad you made this, ive been drumming for 20 years and when I watched this part I kept thinking, sounds fine to me... man I must suck not to be able to tell.
Is that the Sepultura drummer ❤
It's not about the tempo, it's about exerting power.
“It’s not about the tempo, it’s about sending a message.”
@@Cologramhell yeah
"Exerting power"... It sounds like you are saying he is doing it for his own good and ego which is not the case. A lot of people think that the bald guy is bad and he brainwashed the student. The truth is he helped him achieved what he wanted to achieve
He could've helped him achieve through brainwashing @@pierremichel1334
@@pierremichel1334You serious? The teacher was absolutely on a power trip fucking with his students so they would worship him as some kind of musical messiah. It wasn't even subtle. If it was just that one guy he tried to "shape" into whatever that would still be fucked up. But he was charming and blew up at everyone in the most random moments so that no one would ever feel safe from him, while also pushing everyone to join bullying whoever he had it out for at that time.
The point of this scene is how he is antagonising him and pushing him to play with confidence
he wasn't pushing him for confidence he's a narc having his fun.
@@pietart3596 bit of both I'd say
Nope there's nothing constructive here. He's just being a jerk
@@liamburke1436 there’s more to it than that as he has a love hate relationship with him. Watch the movie a few times
You didn't watch the fucking movie did you
It’s less about if he’s at the right tempo, more if he can handle the pressure.
When I attended Julliard about two decades ago, my jazz instructor had a similar fashion of instruction.. Mark Remsteched.. absolutely brutal but instilled core skills that have lasted lifetime
plenty of teachers do that by being good teachers… feck him
My MIDDLE SCHOOL INSTRUCTOR didn't even let us play that long to yell at us for not playing in time
😂
Sounds like you guys sucked
the best teachers 😂
Are you a musician still?
They may have been trying to get everyone to start at the same time instead of staggering in. Sloppy intros will drive a band director mad. 😂
You gotta watch the movie and you’ll realize that’s not the point
He is the movie bro 😂
@@MrBaraka123🤣
You gotta pay attention to what this channel is and you'll realize the movie's intention isn't the point lol
@@peazeraluswhat’s the point then
@@themicahmicah1845 for him to relate how realistic the scene is, given his experience in music school
The performance mentality fletcher’s going for is an idea I’ve seen occasionally in jazz musicians which is confidence to the extreme. It is having an intimate knowledge with your performance akin to how one might know and love their romantic partner. The goal in gaslighting/bullying them like this is to present a stressful presence of authority, and be so confident in your performance that you defend like you would a romantic partner you know better than anyone else.
The stakes being presented (things like self-worth, validity in the program, etc..) are used to force you into two options; break down and quit or figure out what it takes to have the level of confidence that a master would have. That kind of decision is made in the practice room.
The music industry is cutthroat, and it’s only getting harder and harder to find gigs. If you don’t have what it takes, then you don’t get jobs, plain and simple. A degree won’t just give you that kind of grit, but this kind of teacher will.
All that being said Fletchers a dick and doesn’t really get that point across in a constructive way. It’s just abusive.
If he could tell, that's his 50 years of experience vs your 10 years of experience.
Bro is milking Whiplash at this point
@MusoraOfficial is milking both the movie and the poor jazzdrum prodigy
Not like there are a bajillion other drumming movies from which to grab and discuss scenes
Mr.Jazz drumming prodigy, please watch the full movie.
Fun fact this is not his channel
we did, and it sucks ass
He might not have time because he's currently on tour as Sepultura's new drummer.
@@anonihme5142the movies great
It was about wanting the kid to say "no I was on tempo", he was looking for confidence
I can’t believe he made such a good film and also created Amazon
What happened at the end was crazy
He made the instructor smile great ending
totally...
sure.......
He said "it could happen if you had a disturbed teacher". Good job lad you understood the movie
Two beats is all it takes to determine if you're in time. More to determine if you will move towards rushing or dragging.
i was expecting someone reacting to the song whiplash by metallica for the first time
'Jazz Drumming Prodigy reacts to Whiplash by Metallica' lol
Lars has his personal tempo...
I had a band instructor in high school (not as crazy as him) but who did this kind of stuff. One time he told me to alternate hands for 16th notes, and then asked me to do double strokes for them (2 right 2 left). He then went on a 2 minute long tirade in front of the whole class on how it sounded different and i needed to practice my double strokes if i wanted to make it to the higher up band
I played single strokes both times
“This is not real”
It is indeed a movie, you’re correct
NEWS FLASH: It's a movie
It’s his character, he was stopping him on purpose because he wasn’t confident in his own drumming. There was a scene where a instructor kicked out a random kid who didn’t do anything, but “he didn’t know, and what’s worse”
5,6,7,8 is a dance count off. It’s weird how many movies and shows have actors counting off music like that
the piece is in 7/4, he's correctly counting it off 5-6-7 to get the band to start on the downbeat, 1.
@@adamwielebinski7837nope
The piece is in 7, not 8; the "and" emphasizes the 1
I was thinking the exact same thing! Wtf is this "chorus line"? Crazy how so few caught that.
@@MariachiTrovador It's in 7 lmao
Okay, actually you can tell that Miles character was playing faster than the countoff
This isnt about the drumming. Its about the mental battle that never ends
The comments are missing the point of the reaction! You don’t bring a talented and technical drummer on and just ask them how the scene fits with the theme of the movie. You ask them about the technical aspects of the drumming. He’s just answering the questions they brought him in to answer.
(Not to mention he clarifies that clearly it shows that Fletcher is deranged- explaining why the inaccuracy makes sense)
Oh thank you for being the first sane person in this whole comment section. I just scrolled through to find your comment. They all feel like being attacked because they like the movie or sth 😂
Then he shouldn't have made assumptions about the teacher being deranged and just commented on Miles Tellers drumming lmao.
Yes but it very much seems like he’s bashing the movie and criticizing it for its lack of realism instead of just answering a hypothetical question related to the scene.
People click on a video about a real musician reacting to a movie about music and get made that the reaction is about the music. I have a staggering amount of contempt for these people.
In the same scene a minute earlier, he makes another band member cry and kicks him out for being out of tune, despite him knowing he wasn't out of tune. He demands absolute perfection and certainty from his band
well it’s because the instructor is a perfectionist
"Jazz Drumming prodigy"
It's amazing to me that such an uplifting and happy music can be so brutal
Having music teachers like this is straight torture.
Thank you, NileDrums
Clearly he's never worked with a deranged music instructor. Some teachers do this just to rattle you. Tempo might have nothing to do with it. You gotta try and break a musician to see if they have what it takes and some teachers take that to the extreme. It weeds out the wanna bes
I played one 4 note chord on marimba incorrect at the start of my hr lesson. He told me to get out! Some teachers have a power trip
@@jayburd4225 damn, “you gotta try to and break a musician to see if they have what it takes “ is the most sociopathic BS i’ve ever read…
Commentator, it’s not realistic. Hollywood depicting the psychopathy of a maniac perfectionist music teacher. To the philosophical effect of an immovable object meets an unstoppable force. Come on man. Do better. Watches movie, “It’s not real”. 🤦🏻♂️
He knows it's not real
this movie somehow manages to crawl along for an hour something without a single time showing a glimpse of actual passion for music. it’s boring, up its own butt, and feels brutally wrong to anyone who came to music from a place of love, and not from the view a soulless competitive robot. the characters are 1 dimensional, annoying as feck. its got a decent sound track but cuts off everytime you get grooving… yeay
you could copy paste any craft in place of music and it would be the same stupid film. that’s why most musicians hate it
@@anonihme5142you’re just being dumb. “Most musicians” don’t have a consensus on movies you dork. It’s a movie about abuse using music in place as metaphor. You’re asking for a completely different type of movie when you say this
It wasn’t the goal, he was breaking him down
I went to HS with the kid reacting, his drumming was indeed ridiculously good
Having gone to Berklee College of Music I thought this movie was bullshit.
So glad we got the Berklee opinion....😂😂
This movie is great.
It will be a sleeper for years to come.
I didn't go to berklee but have played bass and guitar for over 27 years. I also thought this movie was bullshit and way too over the top.
It’s almost like it’s a movie about abuse and not a documentary about going to college for music
@@TheCodegram but it's an absurd over the top portrayal that hammers the viewer over the head with how absurd he is. They honestly could have reeled it in, even a little, to get the same point across. I think JK Simmons is great but his character is too over the top.
@@RandallColvin24-7 every musician i know think its a very bad movie, but if you liked it, good for you
"I don't think Ricky Bobby could win Taladega by literally limping across the finish line after a wreck. Unrealistic!"
Can someone reply with equally obviously ridiculous movie scenarios? I want to see how far this can go.
that’s greyson nekrutman. saw him live, he’s great
He was perfect but wasnt sure of himself and teacher knew it.
People forget that the whole point of the film is fletcher sees a musician who has the chance to be “one of the greats” but in order for That to happen, he must be tortured, embarrassed, and humiliated, fletcher doesn’t give af about the tempo, he just wants to torture the fuck out of Neiman, and make sure he’s always thinking in time no matter what
Man was zeroing his nervous system.
It's like movies do things for dramatic effect, I never would have thought that.
As people said here, its not about the tempo, but about making the drummer have self confidence.
He counted everyone in. This was straight up bullying.
He was on tempo perfectly throughout the entire movie
That is the point, it's not about rushing the tempo, his mistake was not knowing that in fact he was in the right tempo
This guy is now Sepultura's new drummer.
“It’s not about the tempo. It’s about sending a message.”
I was waiting for him to flip out
For some particularly intense moments in the film, a professional drummer named Bernie Dresel served as a hand double.
"this isn't real" wow almost like it's a movie.
tell him it's a movie
For this man, AGI is centuries away
Yeah buddy, thats why it's called a movie and not a documentary
He’s the teacher he’s the student they know you watch.
"Let me break it down for you Mark"
Clearly the instructor was trying to anger him at that point. (That was one intense movie)
Yeah,
That’s the point
He wants him to never think he’s doing it right, so he’ll practice until he never gets it wrong
C'mon dude, he's f'n with the kid.
That was the point. It was the mind-game
Music is confidence. That's the lesson.
That was the point of the scene.
Fine, ill watch Whiplash again.
My favorite part is when he whips the chair at him and asks him why he thinks he threw it.
That was the point of this scene. Lol. The instructor was testing him to see if he can handle the situation.
You are right,
its a movie.
He's the new drummer of sepultura
Well, had he actually watched the movie, he woulda known the instructor IS deranged...
That's Dillman!:)
On that first count he was definitely rushing 😂
This film was one of the best films I've seen recently
They had realistic scenes, but the movie runtime was 6.5 hours so they had to cut it down.
he was perfectly on tempo, he wanted someone to stand up to him & tell him they are on tempo
The irony in this guy jumping to conclusions about this scene is hilarious
Thanks man. That's one drama solved.
Thats the point. + It's a movie.
It's not about the tempo...
It's about sending a message
he was testing him
Finally shayne's bit as J. Jonah Jameson making Spencer use the drumsticks makes sense 😂
"downbeat on 18" well let's get to 18 first before you stop me.
To me the point of the scene was that it didn’t matter. He knew the kind of potential Neyman had from the start and pushed him to the level he did because of it. Even if Neyman was right, he wanted to make him even better through stress
It’s a great example of Heisenberg uncertainty
THANKS!!!
Youre telling me a movie wasn't real, buddy
Alright fine I'll watch Whiplash again
He is striving to be best of the best. You can’t determine his inadequacies because you, yourself, is nowhere near the top.
In your ears, like in the main character’s, you find his rhythm spotless, but that only proves you are at his level! And his level isn’t perfect, like the instructor points out!
how do you know the instructor is right
@@branch737 the truth is we can only guess. And the instructor’s reputation, skill and earlier life is a strong indicator towards that the *best guess* is towards his favor, ears and judgment.
I myself can’t hear the difference but that is as expected, reasoned by his high level
Well, it's a movie, not a documentary.
Literally, it doesn't need to be realistic
The instructor was testing his confidence and ability to deal with pressure.
That scene shoud be named as "slap scene"
hopefully he watches the whole movie, never seen a villian truly win like in whiplash
“I don’t think that’s realistic at all”
You mean the fictional piece of film you’re watching?
What a shock.
Dude so crazy can’t believe a movie isn’t accurate even though it’s a movie and its literally not real so crazy