The quick "You don't want to know the answer" when showing the third tetrations definitely caught me off guard. Not sure if it was just me but that was hilarious.
I like it when full numbers are shown, I feel like it makes them more meaningful. It also makes it more legible for certain languages because of spaces, eg in Estonian you'd see "413 tuh vaatamist" instead of "413K views", which is kind of hard to see on first glance.
Maybe they could do something like what they did with the like/dislike bar, where you could see the precise number of likes/dislikes if you hovered the mouse cursor over the ratio bar (at least they did that before removing public dislike count). Or they could make it a toggle in TH-cam settings for those who prefer it.
I momentarily had a crisis when I tried coming to terms with how much watch time Baby Shark has. 7.57 centuries collectively. All spent watching Baby Shark.
I don't think that figure is right, it's actually much *worse*. With 11bn views and 136 second runtime, assuming everyone watched it to the end, the actual total watch time is (11e9 * 136) / (86400 * 365.2425 * 100) = ~470 centuries.
In TH-cam Germany view count numbers to outsiders seem to be showing accurately up to 999,999, after which there is x.y million for numbers above 10^6 and then xy million for numbers above 10^7 IIRC TH-cam used to just append ,000 here for thousands in Germany, probably because the "K" for thousand is not that established in the German language. But I think people might have gotten confused by that, so they changed it to exact numbers up to 999,999. note: I used a comma [,] in this comment for the thousands separator, but in German we actually use a dot [.]
I have seen 'T' for thousand instead of 'K' in some places before, but it's still uncommon. They could have use 'Tsd.' though, wich is more common, can't be confused and would be in line with the 'Mio.' and 'Mrd.' for Million and Billion.
*Bonus fact* : Tetration is such a mysterious operation that no one knows how we should properly extend it to decimal inputs. We know that 3 tetrated by 3 would be 7625597484987, 2 tetrated by 4 would be 65536, and 100 tetrated by 100 would be [ERROR], but we're not sure what 2 tetrated by 0.5 would be, or 5 tetrated by 1.2. There's just not enough properties we've found to define them.
Bonus bonus fact: although tetration cannot be extended to fractional inputs, it can (in a somewhat limited way) be extended to *infinite* inputs. For a certain range of numbers between about 0.06 and 1.44, you can tetrate those numbers to the power of infinity and get a sensible answer out.
Tetration also generally doesn't have a well-defined inverse operator. And, of course, they don't work very well on non-integer inputs. I've always wondered if tetration is mysterious because nobody's managed to define it yet or if it's because it's fundamentally _undefinable._ Maybe there's some proof from the 1930s proving that tetration can't be extended like exponentials can and that's the end of that.
@@General12th Well I have heard of something called "Kneser's Solution", and it's been shown to be the only extension to satisfy some criteria that we have. I think the real issue is that there are too many other suggested extensions, and ALL of them are too complicated to understand in layman's terms (this is just my guess though, i am not a math major yet)
so if log (x^y) = y*log(x) => log(a↑↑b) = a↑↑(b-1)*log(a) then 100↑↑100 would be a 1 followed by 100↑↑99 zeroes. Probably too big to fit in a youtube comment.
5:22 In fact, if you switch your language to an East Asian language on TH-cam, the pattern of the number of significant figures changes, as digits are grouped by 萬/万/만 (10000) instead of K (1000): 1234 views stays as 1234, 12345 views is truncated to 1.2萬, 123456 views is truncated to 12萬, 1234567 views becomes 123萬, 12345678 views becomes 1234萬, and so on. Additionally, (at least) some Indian languages have another different digit grouping system so likely something different happens if you switch to one of those languages.
in Chinese writing 萬 means 10K so it gets kinda complicated when we need to convey a few tens of thousands to foreigners and since 億 is the largest common unit and it means 100M (we do not have a character for million or billion it is also odd to convey to Chinese people
@@universe1879 English uses a new word for every 3 numbers while Chinese does it for every 4 numbers For example, 1451826891 in English would be separated to 1, 451, 826, 891. So it would be pronounced as “1 trillion 451 billion 826 million and 891” 1451826891 in Chinese would be separated to 14, 5182, 6891. So it would be pronounced as “14億 5182萬 6891”
tbh baby shark is stuck in an endless loop of views generating cause parents play this video to feed their kids or to entertain them cause it attracts kids and keeps them addicted. and they choose this video out of all the videos since this is the most popular one. this forms that loop
9:17 "They're using 5 characters, to represent a 4-digit number" Yes, but 4 digit-numbers are also often written using 5 characters because of a thousand-separator (digit grouping)
"If we have that third number anyways, might as well make it useful" Lets hope youtube doesn't catch onto the fact that there is still something they can ruin left
The truncation process is really useful in idle games that grow their numbers into exponential growth after a decent amount of time. So yeah there's gaming applications to these numbers
I remember the good ol' days when Gangnam Style was the first video ever to reach 1 billion views and we were all impressed. It even had a cute little animation next to the view count to celebrate
I've never thought about this before (besides thinking it's weird that the channel page doesn't show the full sub count), but this was still a very interesting and entertaining video. Great work as always, Cary!
That's an interesting topic. Nothing to do with AI or any project of your own, but it was still very fun to watch. I'm still baffled at baby shark being so popular though. Sure, it's only 1.x views per person averaging the world, but there's only 2.6 billion users on TH-cam ("only") so that's 3.8 views per person, and on such a large scale with most viewers only watching once or not at all, there must be kids watching literally hundreds or even thousands of times to make up for it.
@@MayorVideo viewbotting doesn't get to this level. Not to mention because it's for children they probably make no money off it anyway. I mean we're talking millions daily, so consistently that it could reach 10,000 millions, which if it was 1 million a day would take 27 years but instead it's only been 3 or 4
Can we all please take a moment to praise the animator for his astonishing work of syncing the mouth movements to the speech?! That must have taken ages!
When looking at the inconsistency and superficial illogic of how TH-cam does it, it's important to consider that the primary concern for this kind of design is visual appearance (both legibility and aesthetics). Regarding the inconsistency between subscriber and view counts, it makes sense for them to be displayed differently because they appear in different parts of the page. The subscriber count isn't surrounded by much other information, so it can afford to be a little more verbose, and subscriptions are harder to achieve than views, so each one "means" more and it's worth displaying with a little more precision. The shortened view counts, on the other hand, tend to appear in lists which are fairly dense with information, which is why keeping them easily legible at a glance is a priority. The view count of the current video is displayed in a completely separate easily identifiable area, so it can afford to have full precision without making things too confusing. Regarding the apparent illogic of using an abbreviation that consists of more characters than the raw number, again I think the result makes sense from a design perspective. The objective isn't to minimize the bytes used, it's the minimize the screen space used while maximizing the legibility. The decimal separator may be an extra byte of HTML, but a video streaming site is hardly in the business of scrounging individual bytes of saved bandwidth here and there, and it takes a fraction of the space a digit would have (also consider that where raw numbers are displayed, they use thousand separators, so it may not even be a character saving at all). And I feel like the order of magnitude suffix (or whatever you call the trailing K/M/B) is readily visually separable, meaning it's primarily the number of digits the user is seeing that impact on information overload/legibility/however you want to put it. Anyway, fun video!
Great comment. YTs way intuitively made sense to me, but it’s nice to be able to hear and articulate now that that reason was because of purposeful design choices by a company that spends a lot of time and money on design choices
No. 2.72K and 272X can both be written in the same amount of space, only one provides more precision. So, it might not *_save_* space, but it doesn't hurt to gain a little more precision
@@Anonymous-df8it I have no hard science to back this up, but I feel like I naturally parse the magnitude suffix separately than the digits. The cognitive load (miniscule though it is) is smaller if there's fewer numerical digits. 2.72K feels like less to take in than 2728 to me, and I don't feel the added precision is of particular interest in that context. On the video page it's appropriate, but elsewhere I think it would seem pedantic.
Reminds me of idle games (Cookie Clicker, e.g.) where after you play long enough you start losing significant figures in all the costs and stats, which is fascinating because it doesn’t make the games any less playable when this happens - the less-significant figures _literally don’t matter_ at that point!
I thought you were going to dissect that song, why the song is mathematically addictive. I know that there's a mathematical formula to make an earworm song.
I have my TH-cam interface set to German (Germany), and I don’t have this; my view counts up until 999,999 have ALL sigfigs anywhere on the site (this video popped up in my recommendations as having, well, 162,202 views). Starting with one million, it’s as shown in this video. Weird!
Children are the most powerful viewbots. I almost wish I could return to that, being able to rewatch the same thing 50 times and still finding it enthralling.
interestingly, under the east asian system (using 万 and 億 for 10,000 and 100,000,000) you can get up to four sig figs, so even if one day baby shark has 100 billion views, the view count to outside observers will still go up every 100 million views in east asia
The full view count is sometimes covered by the like count because of the new "download" and "clip" options making that info bar wider, as well as the word "dislike" instead of the dislike count. I literally need to zoom out to view this video's full view count
Also, I just wanted to say, on the topic of measuring growth, I've been following you since about 4 years ago, and it's been amazing seeing you grow and get the recognition you deserve, from a relatively niche small channel to something than can regularly get videos in the algorithm. Good work man!
I thought this video would go into some sort of limitation regarding for example floating point number precision. Even though it makes no sense to save views as floating point numbers. 10B is bigger than 2^32 (about 4.3B) but if you use 32 Bit integers you either have an overflow, or the views stay at a maximum of 4.3B. Anyways nice video.
I thought it was gonna be what was the click-rate between children compared to adults along with an overall clickrate, but the lesson on rounding numbers like this should be more visible to the word like bfdi
4:576:02 I realised that cary exists in the series he’s making. What series is he making? It’s the eeeeeuuuuuuhhhhhhhhh… 7:40 someone should record it for the funsies. 8:41 the background makes the digit pattern way more easy to understand. I forgot to mention that before.
I love how Cary is someone who 100% knows how to inspect element and make the numbers in the view count change, and yet his style is to write over the view count in handwriting. Commitment.
You literally are amazing- like imagine another TH-camr that explains math are basically so boring to watch, but you make it interesting and entertaining ! You are doing animation, entertaining math and more! You are really awesome! Plus you created the first ever object show in the world! You were doing animation (with your brother) when you were a kid! That is awesome! I don’t know if you realize how you are amazing- Continue like that! Bye !
baby shark needs 1/8 of despacito's full viewcount to register a single change. I feel like this view of it really highlights the power of this sort of breakpoint in formulas.
Update from about a day after this video was posted: Baby Shark officially has over 11B views now! Also, haven't seen anyone mention the thumbnail art, but I like the hand-drawn style.
Thank you for telling me tetrations are a thing. I looked it up after this and learned about Hyperoperations which were a thing I had thought about many times but only now learned actually has a name and a mathematical formula to go with it! I am stupidly ecstatic about this in a way only a math nerd could be.
I like coming up with functions (hence "mullafacation") and I figured that it would be useless to have operations like tetrations because they would get too big. I am interested though in whether there's a name on a factorial-like operation that adds or subtracts rather than multiplies but maybe that is truly useless...
Because some of the comments also pointed out that localization also have some importance, I would like to know if there's any Indian here can explain this matter in relevance of their interesting digit groupings like lakh, crore, and beyond.
Added nuance: for the first views after passing each power, there seems to be only one sig fig. For instance, 1000-1099 views is always just 1K instead of 1.0K views
Also seems to happen to 7.0k displaying as "7k". I think the ".0" is just always dropped. At least it was for the viewer count of a stream. That was the first entry in the recommendation list with singles as the most significant digit that should have a ".0". And I only took 1 sample because I had to scroll through pages and pages of thumbnails to find it.
Great video as always. Remember back in the day when Gangnam Style overflowed the 32-bit view counter? Seems like nothing compared to the views videos are getting now, haha!
1:02 is it just me or is that background the Museum in Yoyle City(sry if I spelled that wrong) where TB and GB went to get the wall teleporters to save the eliminated/fan contestants fron the TLC in the LOL and where GB got his dimples in IDFB 1 by JacknJellify made by Carykh?
I wonder who is the first viewer of the Baby Shark is tho. It's probably Pink Fong though to check to see if the video was uploaded correctly. But what about the first viewer who saw the video the second it changed from private to public? If I had to guess, it's probably some 5 year old who barely knew how to use the website and saw "Baby Shark" in their recommended.
Whenever I watch these videos and I don’t understand *anything* , but he explains stuff so we’ll that I actually get what he’s talking about! Props to you, Cary.
?? but "sigfigs" is a super common shortening of "significant figures"? I'm not when the last time was that I _didn't_ shorten it to sigfigs when talking.
something about the fact that the most viewed video on youtube is one of these popular baby videos that babies watch a kajillion times every day so they get inflated view counts. just kind of makes me upset
Nice! A month before this video was launched, I actually studied this youtube's view truncating system and implemented it in my Python project. Basically my project was about getting youtube search results. It's really interesting to see a video on it!
in Spanish YT the numbers are usually more precise, there is no K for thousand, and we use long numbers, i.e. 1 billion is 1000 million, 1 thousand is 1000, etc. so if you search for Despacito it gives you 7918 million instead of 7.9 B. also we use points for thousands and commas for decimals
"There's no such thing as a fractional view" Also Cary, 3 minutes earlier: "The average human out of all of them has watched Baby Shark 1.38 times" (I know this is an average number, not actual statistical data towards TH-cam or the point of the video)
How this can happen: repeat watchings and probably watching the video on half speed. the video is also highly linked throughout the net and collects automated views by surf-bys
@@miguelangelmartinezcasado8935 I believe the Spiffing Brit found out otherwise. I think it's that watch through time gives you one count of view for each time you watch the video until the threshold is met for the count. This threshold is actually met already before 100% watchtime is reached. This is why skipping forward in a video still counts as having seen it fully. Same goes for starting to watch it, then pausing it, leaving the side on, while the time measured by the cookie keeps ticking. View-time, or watch-through-time is calculated 1 per whole video ( resp. threshold met). If you watch on half speed while the video content is accelerated you feel like you watch it on 1x speed, however, the AI calculates 2 seconds of watch time for every 1 second that passed in reality. The threshold is thus met twice within the span of the same video. Thus it get's two views.
The quick "You don't want to know the answer" when showing the third tetrations definitely caught me off guard. Not sure if it was just me but that was hilarious.
wait until you hear about pentation, repeated tetration
@@user-qh5jk1mn5i Hexation: hold my beer
@@firstnameiskowitz8493 10{x}10:
oh right gₓ too
@@user-qh5jk1mn5i **endless stairwell has joined the chat**
The moral of the story is never underestimate children's inability to know when enough is enough.
💀
He never explained it. He stretched the video so he can be monetized.
@@holl7w money is good, yes
@@holl7w Not really, nowadays optimal youtube time to monetize as much as possible is 8 minutes, it is no longer 10 minutes.
@@holl7w no, if it was 8 minutes if would be that.
I like it when full numbers are shown, I feel like it makes them more meaningful. It also makes it more legible for certain languages because of spaces, eg in Estonian you'd see "413 tuh vaatamist" instead of "413K views", which is kind of hard to see on first glance.
Maybe they could do something like what they did with the like/dislike bar, where you could see the precise number of likes/dislikes if you hovered the mouse cursor over the ratio bar (at least they did that before removing public dislike count). Or they could make it a toggle in TH-cam settings for those who prefer it.
I prefer MLG Gaming to ML Gaming.
@@namethathasntbeentakenyetm3682 ermmmmm... but that actually is repetitive sooooooooooo...
@@namethathasntbeentakenyetm3682 Major League Gaming Gaming?
elo rebane
I momentarily had a crisis when I tried coming to terms with how much watch time Baby Shark has. 7.57 centuries collectively. All spent watching Baby Shark.
Truly the worst timeline
Wait, you know the average view duration of Baby Shark?
@@windowsxpmemesandstufflol It's probably assuming that every person watched until the end. Which most kids (target audience) do.
@@EZX280 most videos have a big drop right after the start, I'd think it will have a 80% avg, view duration at most rather than 9x%
I don't think that figure is right, it's actually much *worse*.
With 11bn views and 136 second runtime, assuming everyone watched it to the end, the actual total watch time is (11e9 * 136) / (86400 * 365.2425 * 100) = ~470 centuries.
if there are ~2 billion parents with internet access (if my math is correct), then the average parent has watched baby shark 5 times
it definitely makes sense
in democratic countries
That assumes only parents watch that video.
the average view bot you mean
@@diedie865 undemocratic countries also have internet
In TH-cam Germany view count numbers to outsiders seem to be showing accurately up to 999,999, after which there is x.y million for numbers above 10^6 and then xy million for numbers above 10^7
IIRC TH-cam used to just append ,000 here for thousands in Germany, probably because the "K" for thousand is not that established in the German language. But I think people might have gotten confused by that, so they changed it to exact numbers up to 999,999.
note: I used a comma [,] in this comment for the thousands separator, but in German we actually use a dot [.]
I have seen 'T' for thousand instead of 'K' in some places before, but it's still uncommon. They could have use 'Tsd.' though, wich is more common, can't be confused and would be in line with the 'Mio.' and 'Mrd.' for Million and Billion.
in brazil we see K as mil because well mil is what a thousand is and its just a 3 letter word
@@Polynom1995 mrd = milliard?
@@asheep7797 Yes. 1 Milliarde (german) = 1 Billion (english); also 1 Billion (german) = 1 Trillion (english) which can be confusing
@@Polynom1995 that usually isn't for "thousand" but for a different word starting with T
Tisíc, Tysiąc, Тисяча, Тысяча, Tisoč.....
Even though this was a "shower thought" video, I've found it really interesting! So cool to see how the metrics are truncated.
Not "even though", but "thanks to"
Mano tu tá até aqui hahah. Parece q sempre encontro seus comentários em todos os vídeos q vejo
*Bonus fact* : Tetration is such a mysterious operation that no one knows how we should properly extend it to decimal inputs. We know that 3 tetrated by 3 would be 7625597484987, 2 tetrated by 4 would be 65536, and 100 tetrated by 100 would be [ERROR], but we're not sure what 2 tetrated by 0.5 would be, or 5 tetrated by 1.2. There's just not enough properties we've found to define them.
Bonus bonus fact: although tetration cannot be extended to fractional inputs, it can (in a somewhat limited way) be extended to *infinite* inputs. For a certain range of numbers between about 0.06 and 1.44, you can tetrate those numbers to the power of infinity and get a sensible answer out.
Tetration also generally doesn't have a well-defined inverse operator. And, of course, they don't work very well on non-integer inputs.
I've always wondered if tetration is mysterious because nobody's managed to define it yet or if it's because it's fundamentally _undefinable._ Maybe there's some proof from the 1930s proving that tetration can't be extended like exponentials can and that's the end of that.
@@General12th Well I have heard of something called "Kneser's Solution", and it's been shown to be the only extension to satisfy some criteria that we have. I think the real issue is that there are too many other suggested extensions, and ALL of them are too complicated to understand in layman's terms (this is just my guess though, i am not a math major yet)
@@General12th I’ve herd about superlogarithms I think they’re the inverse of tetration
so if log (x^y) = y*log(x) => log(a↑↑b) = a↑↑(b-1)*log(a)
then 100↑↑100 would be a 1 followed by 100↑↑99 zeroes. Probably too big to fit in a youtube comment.
5:22 In fact, if you switch your language to an East Asian language on TH-cam, the pattern of the number of significant figures changes, as digits are grouped by 萬/万/만 (10000) instead of K (1000): 1234 views stays as 1234, 12345 views is truncated to 1.2萬, 123456 views is truncated to 12萬, 1234567 views becomes 123萬, 12345678 views becomes 1234萬, and so on. Additionally, (at least) some Indian languages have another different digit grouping system so likely something different happens if you switch to one of those languages.
I recently learned some Indian languages don't count digits in groups of three, interesting
in Chinese writing 萬 means 10K so it gets kinda complicated when we need to convey a few tens of thousands to foreigners and since 億 is the largest common unit and it means 100M (we do not have a character for million or billion it is also odd to convey to Chinese people
@@universe1879 In English, the word _myriad_ used to mean "ten thousand".
@@padraicfanning7055 oh, but it's not that common y'know
@@universe1879 English uses a new word for every 3 numbers while Chinese does it for every 4 numbers
For example,
1451826891 in English would be separated to 1, 451, 826, 891. So it would be pronounced as “1 trillion 451 billion 826 million and 891”
1451826891 in Chinese would be separated to 14, 5182, 6891. So it would be pronounced as “14億 5182萬 6891”
tbh baby shark is stuck in an endless loop of views generating cause parents play this video to feed their kids or to entertain them cause it attracts kids and keeps them addicted. and they choose this video out of all the videos since this is the most popular one. this forms that loop
It could've been the duck song.
@@copter2000 Do you have any grapes?
Yeah, I was wondering why it had so many views. Just memorise the lyrics, damn it!
9:17 "They're using 5 characters, to represent a 4-digit number"
Yes, but 4 digit-numbers are also often written using 5 characters because of a thousand-separator (digit grouping)
yes but then they would give more information so that's why it's weird
It’s at 14B now, I’m scared.
Baby shark Doo Doo Badoo Badoo Badoo
@ yayyyyy
😢😢😢AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA HELP
15 billion,uh oh
You don’t wanna know at 2100 (year)
(10^10^10^10
15B
"If we have that third number anyways, might as well make it useful"
Lets hope youtube doesn't catch onto the fact that there is still something they can ruin left
The truncation process is really useful in idle games that grow their numbers into exponential growth after a decent amount of time. So yeah there's gaming applications to these numbers
Or for the incremental genre where your numbers grow exponentially as soon as you click one button
This is probably the most important thing happening right now
I remember the good ol' days when Gangnam Style was the first video ever to reach 1 billion views and we were all impressed. It even had a cute little animation next to the view count to celebrate
0:57
“what about taking numbers to the third titration?”
I've seen worse
Like Graham's number
And pentations, hexations, and so on.
also bfb background
TREE 1: 1
TREE 2: 3
TREE 3: …
I've never thought about this before (besides thinking it's weird that the channel page doesn't show the full sub count), but this was still a very interesting and entertaining video. Great work as always, Cary!
“that is as much precision as youtube could possibly give as there’s no such thing as a fractional view”
*splits myself into thirds*
@Dungeons & Dragons 🅥 get outta here bot
@@th1v5 God I hate those things
@Dungeons & Dragons 🅥 Leave
Well you're still on one device, one press of tthe play button at a time.
if you split yourself into thirds that would just mean 3 views
i love these types of videos, thanks cary! now i know i'm not the only one who is fascinated by the way youtube trunctuates their numbers!
how does doublecsquareds comment have 16 likes anyways your vids are great!
That's an interesting topic. Nothing to do with AI or any project of your own, but it was still very fun to watch.
I'm still baffled at baby shark being so popular though. Sure, it's only 1.x views per person averaging the world, but there's only 2.6 billion users on TH-cam ("only") so that's 3.8 views per person, and on such a large scale with most viewers only watching once or not at all, there must be kids watching literally hundreds or even thousands of times to make up for it.
Once you have kids who grow up with internet access, you’ll understand!
And also the many many users with multiple people using them, and the non-users also watching!
It is pretty horrifying to think that a lot of children grow up like this
there's also probably some viewbotting
@@MayorVideo viewbotting doesn't get to this level. Not to mention because it's for children they probably make no money off it anyway. I mean we're talking millions daily, so consistently that it could reach 10,000 millions, which if it was 1 million a day would take 27 years but instead it's only been 3 or 4
how is this man the only guy who can get me interested in this stuff
@Dungeons & Dragons 🅥 imagine if it actually was here
hey vsauce
@Томмуlnnit 🅥 DCDA, stupid bots.
because he made bfdi
Can we all please take a moment to praise the animator for his astonishing work of syncing the mouth movements to the speech?! That must have taken ages!
When looking at the inconsistency and superficial illogic of how TH-cam does it, it's important to consider that the primary concern for this kind of design is visual appearance (both legibility and aesthetics).
Regarding the inconsistency between subscriber and view counts, it makes sense for them to be displayed differently because they appear in different parts of the page. The subscriber count isn't surrounded by much other information, so it can afford to be a little more verbose, and subscriptions are harder to achieve than views, so each one "means" more and it's worth displaying with a little more precision. The shortened view counts, on the other hand, tend to appear in lists which are fairly dense with information, which is why keeping them easily legible at a glance is a priority. The view count of the current video is displayed in a completely separate easily identifiable area, so it can afford to have full precision without making things too confusing.
Regarding the apparent illogic of using an abbreviation that consists of more characters than the raw number, again I think the result makes sense from a design perspective. The objective isn't to minimize the bytes used, it's the minimize the screen space used while maximizing the legibility. The decimal separator may be an extra byte of HTML, but a video streaming site is hardly in the business of scrounging individual bytes of saved bandwidth here and there, and it takes a fraction of the space a digit would have (also consider that where raw numbers are displayed, they use thousand separators, so it may not even be a character saving at all). And I feel like the order of magnitude suffix (or whatever you call the trailing K/M/B) is readily visually separable, meaning it's primarily the number of digits the user is seeing that impact on information overload/legibility/however you want to put it.
Anyway, fun video!
Great comment. YTs way intuitively made sense to me, but it’s nice to be able to hear and articulate now that that reason was because of purposeful design choices by a company that spends a lot of time and money on design choices
No. 2.72K and 272X can both be written in the same amount of space, only one provides more precision. So, it might not *_save_* space, but it doesn't hurt to gain a little more precision
@@Anonymous-df8it I have no hard science to back this up, but I feel like I naturally parse the magnitude suffix separately than the digits. The cognitive load (miniscule though it is) is smaller if there's fewer numerical digits. 2.72K feels like less to take in than 2728 to me, and I don't feel the added precision is of particular interest in that context. On the video page it's appropriate, but elsewhere I think it would seem pedantic.
TH-cam doesn't truncate sub counts for aesthetics, they do it to protect big TH-cam from mass unsubscription protests.
Reminds me of idle games (Cookie Clicker, e.g.) where after you play long enough you start losing significant figures in all the costs and stats, which is fascinating because it doesn’t make the games any less playable when this happens - the less-significant figures _literally don’t matter_ at that point!
I thought you were going to dissect that song, why the song is mathematically addictive. I know that there's a mathematical formula to make an earworm song.
standard music theory is not math
I have my TH-cam interface set to German (Germany), and I don’t have this; my view counts up until 999,999 have ALL sigfigs anywhere on the site (this video popped up in my recommendations as having, well, 162,202 views). Starting with one million, it’s as shown in this video. Weird!
Children are the most powerful viewbots.
I almost wish I could return to that, being able to rewatch the same thing 50 times and still finding it enthralling.
interestingly, under the east asian system (using 万 and 億 for 10,000 and 100,000,000) you can get up to four sig figs, so even if one day baby shark has 100 billion views, the view count to outside observers will still go up every 100 million views in east asia
The full view count is sometimes covered by the like count because of the new "download" and "clip" options making that info bar wider, as well as the word "dislike" instead of the dislike count. I literally need to zoom out to view this video's full view count
I thought the metric would've been "repeat viewers" or "people who only watch x type of content" and now I really want to know some of that.
the repeat viewers would be high for any music video and almost all of them are music (if you can count annoying kid songs as music).
Also, I just wanted to say, on the topic of measuring growth, I've been following you since about 4 years ago, and it's been amazing seeing you grow and get the recognition you deserve, from a relatively niche small channel to something than can regularly get videos in the algorithm. Good work man!
5:35 triggered my regex ptsd
\d{3}[KMB]
I thought this video would go into some sort of limitation regarding for example floating point number precision. Even though it makes no sense to save views as floating point numbers. 10B is bigger than 2^32 (about 4.3B) but if you use 32 Bit integers you either have an overflow, or the views stay at a maximum of 4.3B. Anyways nice video.
I thought it was gonna be what was the click-rate between children compared to adults along with an overall clickrate, but the lesson on rounding numbers like this should be more visible to the word like bfdi
4:57 6:02 I realised that cary exists in the series he’s making. What series is he making? It’s the eeeeeuuuuuuhhhhhhhhh…
7:40 someone should record it for the funsies.
8:41 the background makes the digit pattern way more easy to understand. I forgot to mention that before.
I love how Cary is someone who 100% knows how to inspect element and make the numbers in the view count change, and yet his style is to write over the view count in handwriting. Commitment.
This is why I am subscribed to the CaryKH TH-cam channel, I get to watch epic spreadsheet content about funny shark song. 👍
0:15 good to see a Hungarian appearing in the video. Interesting thoughts!
Ngl, the animated character made this video a listening experience
Cary shower thoughts are more interesting than my life
Same
You literally are amazing- like imagine another TH-camr that explains math are basically so boring to watch, but you make it interesting and entertaining ! You are doing animation, entertaining math and more! You are really awesome! Plus you created the first ever object show in the world! You were doing animation (with your brother) when you were a kid! That is awesome! I don’t know if you realize how you are amazing- Continue like that! Bye !
My personal theory is that teachers keep making kindergarteners watch baby shark😂
baby shark needs 1/8 of despacito's full viewcount to register a single change. I feel like this view of it really highlights the power of this sort of breakpoint in formulas.
how to explain logarithms without saying the word "logarithm":
opposite of power so log_2(65536)=16
I thought the title said "the man behind baby shark's viewcount" and I was expecting the story of some guy watching it on repeat religiously
Update from about a day after this video was posted: Baby Shark officially has over 11B views now!
Also, haven't seen anyone mention the thumbnail art, but I like the hand-drawn style.
Update from about 6 months after this video was posted: Baby Shark is at about 12.2 billion views now. Dear gosh.
This is how you turn something seemingly uninteresting and invisible into very interesting, noticeable and entertaining.
Thank you for telling me tetrations are a thing.
I looked it up after this and learned about Hyperoperations which were a thing I had thought about many times but only now learned actually has a name and a mathematical formula to go with it!
I am stupidly ecstatic about this in a way only a math nerd could be.
I like coming up with functions (hence "mullafacation") and I figured that it would be useless to have operations like tetrations because they would get too big.
I am interested though in whether there's a name on a factorial-like operation that adds or subtracts rather than multiplies but maybe that is truly useless...
@@mullafacation Yes! The triangular numbers.
really wish some of these platforms had an "i'm not afraid of big numbers" mode
YES
9:27 Actually, they would provide more information with the exact same character count, because they actually use commas in numbers.
Cary's channel is slowly becoming Film Theory but educational
Because some of the comments also pointed out that localization also have some importance, I would like to know if there's any Indian here can explain this matter in relevance of their interesting digit groupings like lakh, crore, and beyond.
Now it has 15B.
0:55 the mention of that name trigger war ptsd within me
Added nuance: for the first views after passing each power, there seems to be only one sig fig. For instance, 1000-1099 views is always just 1K instead of 1.0K views
Also seems to happen to 7.0k displaying as "7k". I think the ".0" is just always dropped. At least it was for the viewer count of a stream. That was the first entry in the recommendation list with singles as the most significant digit that should have a ".0". And I only took 1 sample because I had to scroll through pages and pages of thumbnails to find it.
I like how he uses bfdi and bfb backgrounds behind his animated send when he has nothing to show on screen
I have watched baby shark 0 times and plan to keep it that way
Same, but I love to see big numbers and that almost 11 Billion is really tempting to see.
@@TunaBear64hmmm... true
Finally, a video focusing on TH-cam view statistics. This is what I have been waiting for, thank you Carykh.
Very nice observation on how 2.72k literally takes more characters than 2725, just a baffling choice by youtube
But when you click on the video description, you see the accurate number, whatever high it is. So..
There are 3 billion bots watching Baby Shark.
I wonder how they feel
9:17 technically if you include the comma to divide every 3 digits, you'd still need 5 characters to represent a 4-digit number
If you need a comma to properly read a 4-digit number, I'm genuinely concerned.
@@TunaBear64 i only need commas to read numbers over a million
@@notthatntg yeah 10 million + is where I need commas 9999999 and below I can read quite easily
It still has more information though
Great video as always. Remember back in the day when Gangnam Style overflowed the 32-bit view counter? Seems like nothing compared to the views videos are getting now, haha!
1:02 is it just me or is that background the Museum in Yoyle City(sry if I spelled that wrong) where TB and GB went to get the wall teleporters to save the eliminated/fan contestants fron the TLC in the LOL and where GB got his dimples in IDFB 1 by JacknJellify made by Carykh?
1:49 did anyone see the bfdi 1a over there
Yea me
I wonder who is the first viewer of the Baby Shark is tho. It's probably Pink Fong though to check to see if the video was uploaded correctly. But what about the first viewer who saw the video the second it changed from private to public? If I had to guess, it's probably some 5 year old who barely knew how to use the website and saw "Baby Shark" in their recommended.
2:51 a view is a view, you cant say its only a half
In spanish, TH-cam shows the viewcount in Spanish numeration, meaning a Billion is a thousand Million, which makes the views say "mil M"
Very fascinating 😳 I never thought numbers would be this interesting
Whenever I watch these videos and I don’t understand *anything* , but he explains stuff so we’ll that I actually get what he’s talking about! Props to you, Cary.
2:46 OMG CARY YOU WATCH NILERED TOO????
Within half a year, baby shark managed to gain an extra billion views. Half a year...
3:29
Cary: *tries to make an Australian slang-like word*
Cary: sIgFiGs
?? but "sigfigs" is a super common shortening of "significant figures"? I'm not when the last time was that I _didn't_ shorten it to sigfigs when talking.
Hey another Pakistani
i bet as soon as i even click on that baby shark video my recommendations are gonna be filled with pinkfong
2:37 it's bfbs exit in the background :D
I have always wanted to know what a power tower is called and now I know it’s called a tetration!
something about the fact that the most viewed video on youtube is one of these popular baby videos that babies watch a kajillion times every day so they get inflated view counts. just kind of makes me upset
i wonder how different all these stats would be if views were unique per account, like likes are, so once you view you cant view twice or more
@@kirtil5177 There is an actual statistic only accessible to the content creator which is the number of unique veiws.
Same, just that I don't like insanely high stats of any type on kids videos/channels.
Views, you know why, but subscribers? WHAT HAS TO HAPPEN!?
i watched this without even realizing it was for SoME2, nice work
Now is 11 billion
Such simple concept from a average video seeming got so popular with is simple but mesmerised pattern that lures people giving it so much power
1:18 hearing carykh say this felt surreal
Nice! A month before this video was launched, I actually studied this youtube's view truncating system and implemented it in my Python project. Basically my project was about getting youtube search results. It's really interesting to see a video on it!
After 3 days it’s now 11B :0
in Spanish YT the numbers are usually more precise, there is no K for thousand, and we use long numbers, i.e. 1 billion is 1000 million, 1 thousand is 1000, etc. so if you search for Despacito it gives you 7918 million instead of 7.9 B. also we use points for thousands and commas for decimals
There are videos which are much more deserving of 10B views than baby shark
The Keaton ellis subtle twitch plug caught me very off guard
This was so interesting!! I'd absolutely watch more shower-thought-y videos of yours
BTW, what happened to the virus simulator videos? The last one was 3/4.
0:57 That is some excellent comedic timing.
i am scared that my future children will go insane if they repetitively watch baby shark lmao
The video you showed with 8 views is gonna become the most viewed video after this lol
Display on my phone: probably 213k.
"There's no such thing as a fractional view"
Also Cary, 3 minutes earlier: "The average human out of all of them has watched Baby Shark 1.38 times"
(I know this is an average number, not actual statistical data towards TH-cam or the point of the video)
I love how you drew the baby shark and mother shark
It's kinda sad that none of the 10 most popular videos are real, user created videos.
wdym?
I can't imagine what this excessively popular video's full analytics look like on the Pinkfong computer.
How this can happen: repeat watchings and probably watching the video on half speed. the video is also highly linked throughout the net and collects automated views by surf-bys
Half speed only affects retention time, not amount of views.
I know it cause you can test it in small videos. It only counts as 1
@@miguelangelmartinezcasado8935 I believe the Spiffing Brit found out otherwise.
I think it's that watch through time gives you one count of view for each time you watch the video until the threshold is met for the count. This threshold is actually met already before 100% watchtime is reached. This is why skipping forward in a video still counts as having seen it fully. Same goes for starting to watch it, then pausing it, leaving the side on, while the time measured by the cookie keeps ticking.
View-time, or watch-through-time is calculated 1 per whole video ( resp. threshold met). If you watch on half speed while the video content is accelerated you feel like you watch it on 1x speed, however, the AI calculates 2 seconds of watch time for every 1 second that passed in reality. The threshold is thus met twice within the span of the same video. Thus it get's two views.
Cary: makes a whole video on the topic
What I’ve always said: people just watch the video more than once
and use alts
I’m kind of confused though how can baby shark get 10B views if not that people exist in the world
You can watch things multiple times?