Dude im not even looking to repair anything like this but watched the entire video just because you did such a great job of explaining everything , well done sir 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👍👍👍👍👍
I also never use a front window. Too easy to break, I use a camera that is mounted on the nose of our camper that shows the outside of the front of the trailer on a tv. I call it a virtual window.Assuming that is a Cirrus what year is that camper?
Offer an option of transparent aluminium oxynitride (ALON)125. This see-through ceramic material is made from a structure of oxygen, nitrogen, and aluminium, and has remarkable properties: Four times harder than fused silica glass; 80% transparent; Three times harder than steel; 85% harder than sapphire; Bulletproof (can stop a 50 caliber round); and Highly resistant to damage, oxidation, and radiation. Currently, transparent aluminum is extremely expensive-costing around $10-$15 per square inch.
High heat could be applied to the plexi glass to form it correctly to the surface you are attaching it to. Using something like Black Tiger Seal PU would probably be the best aheasive and sealant.
Though I agree that you can heat and form the lexan, we would not attempt that. The risk of breaking the adhesion between the two dissimilar plastics that make up the thermal pain is too high. That is not a cheap skylight to replace. Especially with shipping up to Alaska. Could turn into a $1000 mistake. Letting it float on that exterior sheeting was the safest option for us.
That is exactly where it goes. It drops to the lowest point and will run inside the aluminum and cause water damage wherever it comes out. Usually, under the mattress. That is also the case in this camper. Though not extensive, it is there.
Those spot welds are scary, not the right way to cut production costs. I have a friend with one of those campers and one of the side windows fell off when it was parked, and the front skylight window was detaching too. The dealer fixed it since an extended warranty was in effect. I wonder if the manufacturer has improved the welding and window bonding due to warranty expense. 8 sure hope so.
@posteroonie I have not seen one in the shop newer than this one. It is a 2021. I would imagine they have fixed the window issues. But I highly, highly doubt they have done anything with the structural method used. It is common industry standard, and the industry does not see it as a bad build method.
They use that non functional skylight for an additional selling point. Sleep looking at the sky and stars. It’s curvature to cabin body is off so to adhere it your going to need some pressure to bring it flush with body then drill mounting holes ? Can you heat gun the window to give it more flex ? Like to see finished product
Deforming the plastic in this case risks breaking the adhesion between the two dissimilar plastics that make up the thermal pocket. I could get pics next week when we are back to work. Our weekend is Sunday and Monday.
So this unit I’m guessing is just repair work that you’re doing this is not something you built so you guys do lots of repair and maybe other fitting two different trailers and campers is that right
That is correct, but we also manufacture here. We have built slide in truck campers and truck toppers here in Alaska since 1971. But we got heavily into repair about 35 years ago in addition to manufacturing. So we get to see it all.
The weak link over time will show itself with this approach as well. Seems like everything will be transferred to the window now. If you use a rubber gasket instead of adhesive it might last longer. If the owners really wanted to fix this they would pay you guys to disassemble the inner wall sheet and weld the tubing better as much as possible and then glue the inner panel, THEN attach that fragile plastic mistake back on.
When we go that far with the repairs, we delete the window entirely, frame in the opening, and go back with new sheeting material. As for the rubber gasket, that is only certain to leak. So we wouldn't go that route. We have learned that mistake the hard way.
I agree with that, as far as a rubber seal, I was only speaking to potentially save the window from cracking. I don’t think I personally would use screws, I don’t think it adds any insurance. I’d just use adhesive. Like a car windshield. Or eliminate the window entirely as you stated.
While I believe you're imparting a lot of good information, your verbal delivery is all over the place - jumping here, there, and back again. Very difficult to follow.
@@cachecamper Nothing wrong w your delivery- if they can’t follow , I guarantee they aren’t going to do anything w your info other than complain online😂
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Dude im not even looking to repair anything like this but watched the entire video just because you did such a great job of explaining everything , well done sir 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👍👍👍👍👍
@@4486xxdawson 😂 thank you
Excellent discussion of strength and stresses on this camper window!! 2nd video I saw of yours! Subbed !!
I love working with rivets but have never seen or heard of Spyder rivets.... thanks for the info.
Same as a tri fold rivet.
I appreciate all the information!
I don’t like windows in the front, or skylights. Vents are necessary but if done right, they won’t leak.
Simply put, the stress/strain relationship is not explained by an engineer but the sketchy build quality is visible.
Solid fiberglass last very long and doesn't leak
Great videos 👍 thanks
Could seam sealer/adhesive be shot in between the wood and the aluminum to help bond it where the staples have completely failed?
Yes, in fact, there should have been a good wood to metal adhesive in the first place with such a design.
I also never use a front window. Too easy to break, I use a camera that is mounted on the nose of our camper that shows the outside of the front of the trailer on a tv. I call it a virtual window.Assuming that is a Cirrus what year is that camper?
2021
Offer an option of transparent aluminium oxynitride (ALON)125.
This see-through ceramic material is made from a structure of oxygen, nitrogen, and aluminium, and has remarkable properties:
Four times harder than fused silica glass;
80% transparent;
Three times harder than steel;
85% harder than sapphire;
Bulletproof (can stop a 50 caliber round); and
Highly resistant to damage, oxidation, and radiation.
Currently, transparent aluminum is extremely expensive-costing around $10-$15 per square inch.
High heat could be applied to the plexi glass to form it correctly to the surface you are attaching it to. Using something like Black Tiger Seal PU would probably be the best aheasive and sealant.
Though I agree that you can heat and form the lexan, we would not attempt that. The risk of breaking the adhesion between the two dissimilar plastics that make up the thermal pain is too high. That is not a cheap skylight to replace. Especially with shipping up to Alaska. Could turn into a $1000 mistake. Letting it float on that exterior sheeting was the safest option for us.
I wonder were the condensation goes to, from not having a 360 weld. Down the inside of the wall maybe, can you say mold.
That is exactly where it goes. It drops to the lowest point and will run inside the aluminum and cause water damage wherever it comes out. Usually, under the mattress. That is also the case in this camper. Though not extensive, it is there.
Those spot welds are scary, not the right way to cut production costs. I have a friend with one of those campers and one of the side windows fell off when it was parked, and the front skylight window was detaching too. The dealer fixed it since an extended warranty was in effect. I wonder if the manufacturer has improved the welding and window bonding due to warranty expense. 8 sure hope so.
@posteroonie I have not seen one in the shop newer than this one. It is a 2021. I would imagine they have fixed the window issues. But I highly, highly doubt they have done anything with the structural method used. It is common industry standard, and the industry does not see it as a bad build method.
That’ a Cirrus.
They use that non functional skylight for an additional selling point. Sleep looking at the sky and stars. It’s curvature to cabin body is off so to adhere it your going to need some pressure to bring it flush with body then drill mounting holes ? Can you heat gun the window to give it more flex ? Like to see finished product
Deforming the plastic in this case risks breaking the adhesion between the two dissimilar plastics that make up the thermal pocket. I could get pics next week when we are back to work. Our weekend is Sunday and Monday.
@josephpuchel6497 i got a picture for you of the finished work but did not realize I could not put pics in the comments.
lets just be blunt and call it what it is, JUNK, what type of aluminum is used for the structure and the skin
So this unit I’m guessing is just repair work that you’re doing this is not something you built so you guys do lots of repair and maybe other fitting two different trailers and campers is that right
That is correct, but we also manufacture here. We have built slide in truck campers and truck toppers here in Alaska since 1971. But we got heavily into repair about 35 years ago in addition to manufacturing. So we get to see it all.
The weak link over time will show itself with this approach as well. Seems like everything will be transferred to the window now. If you use a rubber gasket instead of adhesive it might last longer. If the owners really wanted to fix this they would pay you guys to disassemble the inner wall sheet and weld the tubing better as much as possible and then glue the inner panel, THEN attach that fragile plastic mistake back on.
When we go that far with the repairs, we delete the window entirely, frame in the opening, and go back with new sheeting material. As for the rubber gasket, that is only certain to leak. So we wouldn't go that route. We have learned that mistake the hard way.
I agree with that, as far as a rubber seal, I was only speaking to potentially save the window from cracking. I don’t think I personally would use screws, I don’t think it adds any insurance. I’d just use adhesive. Like a car windshield. Or eliminate the window entirely as you stated.
While I believe you're imparting a lot of good information, your verbal delivery is all over the place - jumping here, there, and back again. Very difficult to follow.
Thank you for the critique. Some days I am more articulate than others. I will admit. I'll definitely work on that going forward👍
I disagree i followed along no problem..
@@cachecamper Nothing wrong w your delivery- if they can’t follow , I guarantee they aren’t going to do anything w your info other than complain online😂