It's called Maturity lol. Jak was heated for a moment tho. Felt like Aurf son'd him. U cnt go into these spaces without having true friendships. Surf dont seem like he's really cool with Jak n Bill.
I haven’t finished watching but so far no one has an answer for Cassidy’s question. How tf do you judge a battle like Chess vs Eazy. I like how he said show us the “voting system” and apply it to the Chess vs Eazy battle so we can see how it works and no one has an answer lol Cass is right if it’s 5-10k of personal money on the line and the battles are super debatable it’s gonna cause problems
@@sneakerhead2830 they said something about using the boxing system which could work..... Cass just was not trynna hear it.... he just wanna tell them the idea wont work so he can come up with his own idea... since Cass been in its the same thing, he tries to change shit thats working good already so he can say shit happen because of him..... Bars is back??? battle rap always had bars but he wanna say he brought bars back.... shit like that.... but you cant do that when you getting boo'ed in ya own city.... obviousoly his system dont work...
Cass making perfect sense on the aspect of the judging system. They should judge a few battles that way battlers can know what things are worth more. Is performance worth more than punches? Are punches worth more than schemes? Whose flow will be graded higher, surf who gets into different pockets or B Magic who has that rapid on beat type of flow? We don’t really know what their criteria is for the battles unless they judge debatable battles
this is a old school smack dvd type of setting with 40 of battle rap piers and media in the building or outside, you go in there with money on the line doing performances you will lose it simple , you got 3rds 2:45 -3 min cut off , better just rap and get your bars off, the judges will decide the winner. like surf said if you don't like it step aside, plus lets just get through 1 event to see how it goes first 😂
Why Surf let b4 Cass started talking 😂😂 He didn’t want to get embarrassed lmao can’t talk that shit to Cass lmao y’all seen Cass&Hitman face off lmao #BarsIsBack 🐐
Cass is really spot on....it all sounds like a good idea until someone that's convinced they won a battle is getting their 10k taken away from them bc others disagree....this can get real ugly.
@@jeffm1083 exactly homie .. reading these comments are kind boggling people actually talkin bout Judges when BOTH OPPONENTS HAVE TO AGREE ON THE JUDGES and they don’t mention that lol .. until it’s robots and computers judging battlerap it’s always gonna be a conflict because someone thought they won but judges said otherwise .. Why can’t we focus on some of the positive things this idea has to offer ?? Homie , in my whole life I’ve never seen so many people complain , cry , and so worried about things they aren’t going to contribute one single dollar to lol .. Too many criticisms and not enough solutions
Cass is really off. It's not natural to speak on another business tactics especially when you don't even have your own business to make that comparison. That's called throwing shade.
@@j2x780 yea they got a system and that tournament been going on for a cool minute and had a lot of issues regarding judging lol. Judging never works cuz the sport is biased by nature, it’s who you like, who you’re a fan of. Plus they losing money if they lose, least in a battle both y’all getting paid and you can make a side bet on that. It would have to be unanimous decision for the victor for it to go smoothly, no 2-1 a body.
Hold up Bill!! I ain’t feelin that bruh you was just in there with Cass for a whole 20 minutes and was siding with him and saying “i feel you “!! But soon as Surf come along now you jumping the fence 🤔 yeah that was weak
Yea bruh when I heard of the shit I was like “huh where thus come from?” Then I see Jack and Bill talking being the forefront of it, and I had to double take lol. Like what? Lol surf was going through something prolly lol he was wildin.
If you surf setting something up do you want cas appearing out of no where trying to dictate. You notice how cas talking over the people actually putting it together
@@SunniMerlot bro he wasn’t, he was just getting his point across that he didn’t understand or like the judging situation for how much money was going to be on the line… he never disrespected surf or midnight madness, no need for surf to be hype and screaming
Cass is speaking facts about the judging system. The culture hated the UM judges. Cass is just making a lot of good points and I think his perspective was not coming from a bad place. Just offering his opinion.
They hate that Energy!! Cass was speaking facts its dose sound a bit premature... Jus saying... Bill and Jakk ant the right 2 for power..And we kno Surf a Diva!!🤣👍💯
Midnight Madness is a horrible idea at this moment,,Just stay in your lane until you guys sit down at the table and not over text and space ,,Figure it out Cassidy is 100 % Correct
@@pelemichael9869 man was you listening 🤦🏿♂️ the nigga was discrediting everything, every question he asked was answered then he had a rebuttal of why it should be different, the nigga said he's the energy and needs to be included, you sure you was listening or you just a Cass fan
@@quientla25 no he didn't those was legit questions he never said it was trash or stupid he thinking 100% of everything that won't go right (which is fair)
He has questions because Philly called him for his support. Eazy has a team and told someone to call Cass. Cass is going to put money on Easy and his team but Cass didn't know any of the details so he was asking questions.
The problem with Cassidy is....he mistaking them explaining Midnight Madness to him for consulting him for approval. The proof in that is when Surf said what he said...Cassidy said "of course they gotta run it by me. I'm the energy " the guy can't help being in the forefront
Exactly and that's what everyone is missing. So Surf was right to react the way he did. So I understood why surf took off. Tons of us were on Twitter space yesterday when it happened. Also the problem is this is new so Cassidy shot down everything that he was hearing. Like bruh this is different and this ain't about you. Makes no sense.
@@fnsilly8983 Cassidy is not THE energy. If he was the energy it means the culture would be dead without him. And it's doing fine whenever he not around
@@arttashfilms9816 you people don't understand the complexities of business. these battle rappers aren't getting paid millions for all their battles or any of them so how the fuck are they going to make a living off of battle? rap they can't.
I think they should have the judges vote and then a crowd/viewer vote.Take the to numbers and either average them to 1 score. Or make the crowd/ viewer vote a bonus ( like it counts for 50 points for example if u get it) and add it to the judges score.They could have live polls during the battles and call an intermission between rounds (or at the end of the battle) to calculate the crowd/viewer vote (the intermission could be used to advertise products and future battles). Or go old school and ask the crowd to make noise to determine the crowd/viewer vote.
First let me just say I really do fuck with this midnight madness concept and I hope all parties can work this shit out. Couple of things tho. Bill was helpful and talking regular before Surf came on. Once Surf started wildin all of a sudden BC is talkin bout "yeah cause I don't know what's so hard to understand". When Cas was like Surf you gotta relax, here come bill again "no he don't" Secondly..Cas made some valid points, especially with an example like EZ vs Chess. I can argue for days why I feel like Chess won that battle and I'm sure it's some niggas who gonna argue me to death as to why they feel Eazy won. Granted not every battle gonna be that debatable, but what happens when they are? The judging isn't as cut and dry as it seems and I get it, this is just in the beginning stages. The actual judges might not be biased, but when it's that close of a battle it will make a mfer have to go off of opinion
They don't understand what Cassidy talking bout about the score cards, what he trying to say is if somebody hold up a nine or whatever number they tried to hold up that's they opinion, so he's not valid, but they study saying the number is going to be right there for you to see but you can't judge like that because there has to be something to go off of in order to hold up a number, you might be holding up a nine because that's your favorite battler or you might hold up or nine because you like somebody fit, he's trying to put a system in place and which you can be able to tell what somebody scored.. battle the battle rap community don't really comprehend a lot of stuff that's what's going to hinder this process, it's just a whole bunch of people that think they know what they talking about but they don't,
Cass ain’t say nun wrong. If imma potential investor in something in wanna know the ends and outs of it too. I would be questioning everything to see exactly how it works
Cassidy talking about an issue that boxing & ufc hasn’t solved themselves at the end of the day if it’s a close fight it comes down to the judge’s opinions & a point system in these situations debatable battles have to have a loser & everyone not gonna be happy with that decision but that’s the risk you take going into it if you bet on a boxing match & they go all the way & your guy loses you can be mad all you want if you think he won but nothing you can do about it
#1 1:10Midnight madness robs losing battler's #2 3:50 Cassidy looking out 4 all battler's check #3 6:05 BC acts tuff,Cass drops knowledge # 4 8:24 talk about the scoring/judge system #5 19:50 MM relize they had no answers #6 23:06 Surf gets triggered then runs
@@be_regular8670 No you Tripping Cassidy was just asking questions trying to figure out what's going on Like he said he got invited into it and it just started But I have good comprehension not everybody does
Cass is speaking 💯💯💯it. Ruffles the feathers cause maybe that was supposed to be kept on the low and just hope rappers want exposure more then money...either way cass is on point
I think it’s always gon be somebody hating or saying it’s not gonna work. Everything is a working progress and nothings gonna be perfect. Stuff is gonna change and evolve but don’t come in critiquing shit if you don’t have any answers for problems.
I think a valid way to put a point system into a battle round for me will be assigning points to ever set up - punchline I.e 0 points - if the set up n punch trash - filler 1 point - satisfactory set up and. punchline - wack set up and fire punchline 2 points - fire set up and fire punchline 3 points - haymaker Add up points at the end of the round then calculate the average. It may work it may not at the end of the day it will always boil down to opinion but I think it could be the best way to insert a points system.
Cassidy wants a judging system that is going to be flawless. That is not realistic at all he knows it. he's just trying to sound smarter than everyone in the room. People have to understand everything isn't for everyone.
Yeah that’s how it came off. Everything they said, he kept pointing out the flip side. The reason why he can talk about that is bc he’s one of those type of battlers that don’t care about someone else’s opinion, he personally think he wins every battle. So bc he feels that way, he’s speaking from that stand point. You never bet wit a nigga like that bc they turn out to be the Adrien Broner type. You clearly got yo ass whooped but you swear up and down that you won especially when there’s money on the line
@@nathaniellebuckley18 Facts Cassidy act like he's smarter than he actually is. He also still think everyone is beneath him attitude. Let's not forget Cassidy is absolutely outdated. Nobody asking to see him battle so I don't understand why niggas even ran and got him to join the spaces conversation.
@@SHOTAMAN77 You sound like an angry Surf Fanboy/ Cass hater. What does Cass being outdated in battle rap have to do with him talking business and asking legit questions?
@@TheVashCross the point is after niggas seen how out dated he is. Nobody checking for him after the Goodz battle. People only like his face offs lol. So why in the hell would anyone trying to start midnight madness give a fuck about what he has to say other than eazy and the Philly niggas that wasn't Cassidy to help fund them. You must've forgot Cassidy already failed at this trying to put something together before. With other battle rappers mainly the ones that don't even come outside and if they do they sound out dated just like him lol.
Cassidy speaking facts if I brought my 10k how can someone tell me I lost.. when the last judges smack had said the other person lost because he was all in the dude face..
It aint even about Cassidy being apart of the battlers its the fact that he could be betting 50k on somebody and if im betting that much money i want all the details and rules. I think surf mad that it was cass and he left because he can't son cass like he do most battlers. It's funny cuz surf and verb was going at it over 3k imagine 50k to 100k on the line
I get what Cassidy saying there’s going to be rappers that feel like they won if it’s a debatable what are the standard for the judging metaphors similes energy punchlines crowd control there has to be a exact measurement of who won so everyone know what to bring
If the judges say you won you won period it ain't gotta be as difficult as Cass trying to make it. The thing is Cassidy, always think he wins so if someone tells him he lost he aint gonna go for it and he ain't gonna give up his bread 🤣🤣🤣
@@fnsilly8983 I don't think that had much to do with it and if it does it's not what I was talking about in my comment. Like I said I'm not them I'm stating my opinion
Cassidy only asking all these questions because he know he about to go in there getting cooked 😂😂😂 and it’s no way in hell Cass gone understand somebody telling he lost
Cassidy is not battling. Easy had someone call Cass because they Philly and most of Easys team he is building is from Philly. Cass was going to agree to support financially but didn't know the details. That is why he had questions.
What’s not to understand? They have a judgment system and point system to try to make it as fair as possible. You’re pretty much gambling on the battle. Either you win or lose. It the overall consensus is you loss, then that’s the answer. Battle rap is not as opinionated as niggas try to make it out to be. Rap is suppose to be for the consumer. If the consumer like someone else more than the other then that’s the winner.
Respectfully, your last two sentences explain exactly how battle rap really is as opinionated as we make it seem! You're absolutely right, rap is for the consumer. However, everybody not gonna enjoy the shit they hearing the same way which is when the opinions come into play. Battle rap is hard to judge unless there's one rapper who is clearly dominant over the other.
@@bkameka69 boxing is opinionated to but there is a winner. The judges are also consumers too. A neutral cast of judges is as fair as you’ll get. Anytime you do anything that’s judged, you know to prepare for the possibility of losing. If you do a poll of just your peers, you’ll probably get a consistent winner of almost any battle
@@nathaniellebuckley18 niggas just talk to hear themselves talk. That boxing reference makes perfect sense. Hate Floyd all you want but he the goat. Like it or not. Move around
I disagree because battle rap is very opinionated, that’s why there are so many debatable battles. Everyone not going to catch every bar right on the spot and who’s to say which bars/punchlines were more impactful? We all rewatch battles and catch things we missed on the first watch, or can change our opinion on who we think won initially. So is it fair that they’re going to be judged right on the spot?
@@J.Edwards Of course it’s opinionated. Almost any kind of competition is judged based off of opinion. There are niggas running around here acting like they’ve never lost a battle before bc none of these battles are judged. As long as you can make it clear that there will be no biases on any of the battles, it’s fair game. Battle rap is one of the only art forms where we think of “judges” as taboo or some shit. Fact of the matter is, there is always a general consensus on who won the battle. That’s why you always hear the bullshit about “I got such and such winning in the room”. No matter what the battlers say, there aren’t actually too many battles where you won’t have a some what clear winner amongst their peers
Cass making valid points, he was just trying to find out the details before he put his money up ,I like how Philly came to his defense💯
It's called Maturity lol. Jak was heated for a moment tho. Felt like Aurf son'd him. U cnt go into these spaces without having true friendships. Surf dont seem like he's really cool with Jak n Bill.
@@grimformation Yet they on Surf's 🍆
I haven’t finished watching but so far no one has an answer for Cassidy’s question. How tf do you judge a battle like Chess vs Eazy.
I like how he said show us the “voting system” and apply it to the Chess vs Eazy battle so we can see how it works and no one has an answer lol Cass is right if it’s 5-10k of personal money on the line and the battles are super debatable it’s gonna cause problems
@@sneakerhead2830 they said something about using the boxing system which could work..... Cass just was not trynna hear it.... he just wanna tell them the idea wont work so he can come up with his own idea... since Cass been in its the same thing, he tries to change shit thats working good already so he can say shit happen because of him..... Bars is back??? battle rap always had bars but he wanna say he brought bars back.... shit like that.... but you cant do that when you getting boo'ed in ya own city.... obviousoly his system dont work...
Cass knows how to shake sum shit up😂😂😂 Knws how to push a button
Bill and jakk and snake just happy people listening to them 💯
Factsmania
FACTS!
BIG FACTS!!!!!!!
Nah at least snake and Jakk Moving like real niggas
Exactly 🤦🏾♀️
Cass said I’m the energy, you need to run shit pass me 🤣🤣🤣🤣😭
And nobody questioned it 🐐😂
Cass making perfect sense on the aspect of the judging system. They should judge a few battles that way battlers can know what things are worth more. Is performance worth more than punches? Are punches worth more than schemes? Whose flow will be graded higher, surf who gets into different pockets or B Magic who has that rapid on beat type of flow? We don’t really know what their criteria is for the battles unless they judge debatable battles
Cass is mad his shit didn't pop.
@@jmurdock8303 wasn’t even a reply to what I said, could’ve just commented that
@@BevinUchiha yeah but shit happens
GREAT MF POINT
this is a old school smack dvd type of setting with 40 of battle rap piers and media in the building or outside, you go in there with money on the line doing performances you will lose it simple , you got 3rds 2:45 -3 min cut off , better just rap and get your bars off, the judges will decide the winner. like surf said if you don't like it step aside, plus lets just get through 1 event to see how it goes first 😂
Salute for the full version ☝🏽🔥🔥🔥
Cassidy a good dude. Very level headed
The whole energy shifted when surf got there.😭
Facts 🤣😂
Cap
Why Surf let b4 Cass started talking 😂😂
He didn’t want to get embarrassed lmao can’t talk that shit to Cass lmao y’all seen Cass&Hitman face off lmao #BarsIsBack 🐐
I already knew the exact energy surf was gone bring to Cassidy respectfully
Cassidy making a lot of sense y’all buggin if u don’t think so … when the shit go left it’s gone b wild
😂😂😂😂
@@Hoodtrucker True that ✊🏼😅😀
@@Hoodtrucker check out unbias video on cassidy tournament, I think that makes sense as well.
@@bringinthedope5929 bet
👌🏽 Cass is asking how battlers can prepare to write for the point system ahead of time, hes asking for specific criteria, not vague answers
Cass is really spot on....it all sounds like a good idea until someone that's convinced they won a battle is getting their 10k taken away from them bc others disagree....this can get real ugly.
Exactly
They know that going into the battle though. They can’t get mad when they know there’s a risk they can lose while having the better rounds.
@@jeffm1083 exactly homie .. reading these comments are kind boggling people actually talkin bout Judges when BOTH OPPONENTS HAVE TO AGREE ON THE JUDGES and they don’t mention that lol .. until it’s robots and computers judging battlerap it’s always gonna be a conflict because someone thought they won but judges said otherwise .. Why can’t we focus on some of the positive things this idea has to offer ?? Homie , in my whole life I’ve never seen so many people complain , cry , and so worried about things they aren’t going to contribute one single dollar to lol .. Too many criticisms and not enough solutions
Cass is really off. It's not natural to speak on another business tactics especially when you don't even have your own business to make that comparison. That's called throwing shade.
Cass was not tryna figure nothing out lol it ain’t matter what anyone said he gone have a rebuttal
Exactly. He sounded like a straight hater smhh
but the battle league doesn't feel that way.
@@WEGOTBUCKSENT365 false
Cass vs surf asap.. even jus the faceoff😅😅
How do you judge an opinionated sport? Especially if both battlers have perfect rounds
U ever seen UM1,UM2,UM3,UM4? KOTD has a tournament for 100k going on now! It's actually really easy to do if niggas don't be niggas for some reason
@@j2x780 at least that apart of the contract they agree on
@@j2x780 yea they got a system and that tournament been going on for a cool minute and had a lot of issues regarding judging lol. Judging never works cuz the sport is biased by nature, it’s who you like, who you’re a fan of. Plus they losing money if they lose, least in a battle both y’all getting paid and you can make a side bet on that. It would have to be unanimous decision for the victor for it to go smoothly, no 2-1 a body.
Hold up Bill!! I ain’t feelin that bruh you was just in there with Cass for a whole 20 minutes and was siding with him and saying “i feel you “!! But soon as Surf come along now you jumping the fence 🤔 yeah that was weak
Bill Is lame for that
EGGZACKLY 🤣💯
Corny 🌽
Cass had legit questions and surf reaction is going to be validating everything verb was saying about making it so big to where the chaos comes in
Yea bruh when I heard of the shit I was like “huh where thus come from?” Then I see Jack and Bill talking being the forefront of it, and I had to double take lol. Like what? Lol surf was going through something prolly lol he was wildin.
Surf be too hype, everything he did was uncalled for 😂
If you surf setting something up do you want cas appearing out of no where trying to dictate. You notice how cas talking over the people actually putting it together
@@SunniMerlot bro he wasn’t, he was just getting his point across that he didn’t understand or like the judging situation for how much money was going to be on the line… he never disrespected surf or midnight madness, no need for surf to be hype and screaming
As usual 😂
Not at all I would felt same way .niggas don't need that nigga.
@@jmurdock8303 STFU you hate Cass on every comment 🤣🤣
cass is 100% right, surf feels big but when another person from the culture is bigger or just as big he feels threatened, surf scary ass
Cass is speaking facts about the judging system. The culture hated the UM judges. Cass is just making a lot of good points and I think his perspective was not coming from a bad place. Just offering his opinion.
They hate that Energy!! Cass was speaking facts its dose sound a bit premature... Jus saying... Bill and Jakk ant the right 2 for power..And we kno Surf a Diva!!🤣👍💯
Yeah Surf is a Super-Duper Diva though 😁
All surfs peasants tryna explain what’s going on. Sswowwww!! In my Gwitty voice
🤣🤣😭😭😂😂💀💀
Cassidy pulled up like a real hustler asking what's the rules on the dice game? Before he put his money down. Period!
🗣TALK TO EM SURF…. Cass you don’t like that shit the don’t be involved simple as that
Damn Cassidy got a point
I can definitely see Cass’ concerns. I thought of the same thing too when they announced Midnight Madness.
Surf said all that about about Cassidy… the irony lol
“Cassidy is ass, but a goat” lmaooo nah surf 😂
Wild disrespect
He spoke fax 😂😂😂😂
He is asss in battle rap!!! However he is a goat in the culture.
@@charleschase559 telling someone the truth ain't disrespect
@@nplacid6 this is the shit Cass talking about. Y'all don't know the science
Cass knows tsu is tryna reel him in back to smack that’s the only place he can battle at 🥶🥶
Is crazy how surf came in wild on everybody in the whole room got quiet lol ain't nobody scared of no surf
Surf fans fall in line
Factz bro shit insane that's part of being a chess player
Nah they mute they mics who ever the host can control the room y’all thinking too deep
Midnight Madness is a horrible idea at this moment,,Just stay in your lane until you guys sit down at the table and not over text and space ,,Figure it out Cassidy is 100 % Correct
What I don't understand is if Cass not participating or don't care bout it, then WHY DOES HE HAVE SO MANY QUESTIONS
He has rappers he wants to bring for him to bet on. He didnt want to bet his money without knowing how the judging system works.
@@pelemichael9869 man was you listening 🤦🏿♂️ the nigga was discrediting everything, every question he asked was answered then he had a rebuttal of why it should be different, the nigga said he's the energy and needs to be included, you sure you was listening or you just a Cass fan
@@quientla25 no he didn't those was legit questions he never said it was trash or stupid he thinking 100% of everything that won't go right (which is fair)
He has questions because Philly called him for his support. Eazy has a team and told someone to call Cass. Cass is going to put money on Easy and his team but Cass didn't know any of the details so he was asking questions.
@@NicoleLofton 👍🏿🤦🏿♂️
Came back to say Cass was right ! Look at drugz ! John John said remy bet on that battle and judged it 😭and where was the criteria for winning ?
cass was deff right lmao
So surf mad because Cassidy came and got all the attention 🤣😂
First it was yoshi crying because people called her weird now we got surf mad because Cassidy getting all the attention. This is like a soap opera
SITCOM Rap
@@LRrealest that's exactly what it is
The problem with Cassidy is....he mistaking them explaining Midnight Madness to him for consulting him for approval. The proof in that is when Surf said what he said...Cassidy said "of course they gotta run it by me. I'm the energy " the guy can't help being in the forefront
Exactly and that's what everyone is missing. So Surf was right to react the way he did. So I understood why surf took off. Tons of us were on Twitter space yesterday when it happened. Also the problem is this is new so Cassidy shot down everything that he was hearing. Like bruh this is different and this ain't about you. Makes no sense.
how Cassidy not the energy? why do you make it seem that Cassidy is so manipulative yet your the only few who sees his insideous plot?
Facts like Foh 😂😂😂
@@fnsilly8983 Cassidy is not THE energy. If he was the energy it means the culture would be dead without him. And it's doing fine whenever he not around
@@arttashfilms9816 you people don't understand the complexities of business.
these battle rappers aren't getting paid millions for all their battles or any of them so how the fuck are they going to make a living off of battle? rap they can't.
He mad because he didn’t come up with it.
Facts
Cassidy took y’all money from his tournament and nobody got shit😭😭😭😭😭
Leave Cass out of this please...
damn y'all nerds still mad about that diz body huh
The judges are going to side with surf team every battle
That’s what verb was trying to say
Exactly they're on Surf nuts
How ? Literally the rules are “every team has to agree on the judges” y’all just be talking 🤦🏾♂️
I think they should have the judges vote and then a crowd/viewer vote.Take the to numbers and either average them to 1 score. Or make the crowd/ viewer vote a bonus ( like it counts for 50 points for example if u get it) and add it to the judges score.They could have live polls during the battles and call an intermission between rounds (or at the end of the battle) to calculate the crowd/viewer vote (the intermission could be used to advertise products and future battles). Or go old school and ask the crowd to make noise to determine the crowd/viewer vote.
super facts surf
First let me just say I really do fuck with this midnight madness concept and I hope all parties can work this shit out.
Couple of things tho. Bill was helpful and talking regular before Surf came on. Once Surf started wildin all of a sudden BC is talkin bout "yeah cause I don't know what's so hard to understand". When Cas was like Surf you gotta relax, here come bill again "no he don't"
Secondly..Cas made some valid points, especially with an example like EZ vs Chess. I can argue for days why I feel like Chess won that battle and I'm sure it's some niggas who gonna argue me to death as to why they feel Eazy won. Granted not every battle gonna be that debatable, but what happens when they are? The judging isn't as cut and dry as it seems and I get it, this is just in the beginning stages. The actual judges might not be biased, but when it's that close of a battle it will make a mfer have to go off of opinion
Unless they do it the fight klub way. That was when judging was fair
That's what he clearly saying, you lose when you stop rapping Period.
Bill is a meat rider
I agree with Cassidy rap until someone quits or someone wins if it's 6 rounds so be it
No cuz the you take the fans out of it, nobody gon wanna sit there all that time, anit no seats a battle rap events you gotta keep all this in mind
They don't understand what Cassidy talking bout about the score cards, what he trying to say is if somebody hold up a nine or whatever number they tried to hold up that's they opinion, so he's not valid, but they study saying the number is going to be right there for you to see but you can't judge like that because there has to be something to go off of in order to hold up a number, you might be holding up a nine because that's your favorite battler or you might hold up or nine because you like somebody fit, he's trying to put a system in place and which you can be able to tell what somebody scored.. battle the battle rap community don't really comprehend a lot of stuff that's what's going to hinder this process, it's just a whole bunch of people that think they know what they talking about but they don't,
Both surf and cass not wrong for their stance
Surf doing to much like always he gets to hype when somebody he can’t compare to lol respectfully
Cass ain’t say nun wrong. If imma potential investor in something in wanna know the ends and outs of it too. I would be questioning everything to see exactly how it works
@tone starx but ppl will betting there money so its the same thing
I got a feeling surf trying build a cult
Someone is goin to get shot , they have. Fights at events where they pay both rappers this is a bad idea
Cassidy talking about an issue that boxing & ufc hasn’t solved themselves at the end of the day if it’s a close fight it comes down to the judge’s opinions & a point system in these situations debatable battles have to have a loser & everyone not gonna be happy with that decision but that’s the risk you take going into it if you bet on a boxing match & they go all the way & your guy loses you can be mad all you want if you think he won but nothing you can do about it
Public Skeptical is hilarious 😂
😭🤣😩🤣😭😭🤣🤣I was in tears
Lmao that low battery notification lowkey got my dumbass🤦🏻♂️💀😭
And Jakk act like you the toughest dude but when Surf came up in there he was quiet as a mouse respectfully
Bruh surf came in slappin da sh** out erbody 😂😂😂😂
Like he suppose to
It's gotta come down to a judging system that is air tight so that no one has an complaint.
#1 1:10Midnight madness robs losing battler's
#2 3:50 Cassidy looking out 4 all battler's check
#3 6:05 BC acts tuff,Cass drops knowledge
# 4 8:24 talk about the scoring/judge system
#5 19:50 MM relize they had no answers
#6 23:06 Surf gets triggered then runs
Big FAX 📠🗞️🧾📜
Surf definitely bleeding….. He mad cause cass commends the ROOM. Facts🗣😂
Na. Cass just really suck at this bro. It is what it is.
@@be_regular8670 No you Tripping Cassidy was just asking questions trying to figure out what's going on Like he said he got invited into it and it just started But I have good comprehension not everybody does
@@be_regular8670 That response is really irrelevant
Tsu surf mad cuz Cassidy won't let him lead 😆😆😆😆😆
Just came back to this after midnight madness was a success to laugh 😂😂..
Lmao
😂😂😂😂 surf pissed
Cass is right, 100 percent. The rest just want something to do.
Cass is speaking 💯💯💯it. Ruffles the feathers cause maybe that was supposed to be kept on the low and just hope rappers want exposure more then money...either way cass is on point
Bark on them surf!! My fucking guy!
I think it’s always gon be somebody hating or saying it’s not gonna work. Everything is a working progress and nothings gonna be perfect. Stuff is gonna change and evolve but don’t come in critiquing shit if you don’t have any answers for problems.
I think a valid way to put a point system into a battle round for me will be assigning points to ever set up - punchline
I.e
0 points - if the set up n punch trash
- filler
1 point - satisfactory set up and. punchline
- wack set up and fire punchline
2 points - fire set up and fire punchline
3 points - haymaker
Add up points at the end of the round then calculate the average. It may work it may not at the end of the day it will always boil down to opinion but I think it could be the best way to insert a points system.
Cassidy wants a judging system that is going to be flawless. That is not realistic at all he knows it. he's just trying to sound smarter than everyone in the room. People have to understand everything isn't for everyone.
Yeah that’s how it came off. Everything they said, he kept pointing out the flip side. The reason why he can talk about that is bc he’s one of those type of battlers that don’t care about someone else’s opinion, he personally think he wins every battle. So bc he feels that way, he’s speaking from that stand point. You never bet wit a nigga like that bc they turn out to be the Adrien Broner type. You clearly got yo ass whooped but you swear up and down that you won especially when there’s money on the line
@@nathaniellebuckley18 Facts Cassidy act like he's smarter than he actually is. He also still think everyone is beneath him attitude. Let's not forget Cassidy is absolutely outdated. Nobody asking to see him battle so I don't understand why niggas even ran and got him to join the spaces conversation.
@@SHOTAMAN77 You sound like an angry Surf Fanboy/ Cass hater. What does Cass being outdated in battle rap have to do with him talking business and asking legit questions?
@@TheVashCross the point is after niggas seen how out dated he is. Nobody checking for him after the Goodz battle. People only like his face offs lol. So why in the hell would anyone trying to start midnight madness give a fuck about what he has to say other than eazy and the Philly niggas that wasn't Cassidy to help fund them. You must've forgot Cassidy already failed at this trying to put something together before. With other battle rappers mainly the ones that don't even come outside and if they do they sound out dated just like him lol.
@@TheVashCross bottom line is everything ain't for everybody. Clearly this ain't for Cassidy and I hope he stay far away from it
Tsu gotta be the only child
From 2:45 to 4:33 then to 9:00 is sum of the realest in this interview FACTS
Niggas legit mad cass asking questions
Cassidy 100% speaking facts tho.....ion. see how ppl didn't understand his views
Because they don’t want too
Sometimes good intentions could turn into a bad situation………… look at all the stuff that’s going on………
You the goat gang keep ‘em coming
Cassidy speaking facts if I brought my 10k how can someone tell me I lost.. when the last judges smack had said the other person lost because he was all in the dude face..
I don’t get how else are you gone decide who won wtf y’all stupid
Why cass girlin. Nobody said nothing when he had that battle rap ponzi scheme
Cass ain’t tryna hear that shyt 😂😂😂
It aint even about Cassidy being apart of the battlers its the fact that he could be betting 50k on somebody and if im betting that much money i want all the details and rules. I think surf mad that it was cass and he left because he can't son cass like he do most battlers. It's funny cuz surf and verb was going at it over 3k imagine 50k to 100k on the line
That's a fact, nobody is going to put 50k towards sumthing they don't really know about that just life
Who the bul that sounds like Reed from Snowfall and why Surf sound like Dick Vitale 😭😭😭
Soon as surf start off with lm not talking to you to Cassidy I know he was about to come for Cassidy 😁
I get what Cassidy saying there’s going to be rappers that feel like they won if it’s a debatable what are the standard for the judging metaphors similes energy punchlines crowd control there has to be a exact measurement of who won so everyone know what to bring
Soon as Cass addressed him, he disconnected?!
Dis da 1st time ive heard cass listen while niggas talkn
The exposure part will work as long as a big name or 2 on every card battling until some of these guys names start holding weight
Surf went Nino Brown on they ass 😭😭😭😭😭
Cass made the point i wanted to say. U used to outrap someone.
Surf been tripping lately
Surf funny as shit…. He was really in his feelings. “CASSIDY IS ASSSSSSS, THAT’S 1”
If the judges say you won you won period it ain't gotta be as difficult as Cass trying to make it. The thing is Cassidy, always think he wins so if someone tells him he lost he aint gonna go for it and he ain't gonna give up his bread 🤣🤣🤣
@@fnsilly8983 idk I'm not them, but it seems like when Cass got on there they got star struck pretty much what surf said
@@CLOUTLANDTV and how surf not star struck?
the problem is surf can't get under Cassidy skin so he's irritated.
@@fnsilly8983 I don't think that had much to do with it and if it does it's not what I was talking about in my comment. Like I said I'm not them I'm stating my opinion
@@CLOUTLANDTV i asked you how is surf not star struck?
😂😂😂 Yooo Hart & O are dying.
he was tryna shit on the idea on the sly. let’s be real.
Team Surf 🏄♀️
"Public skeptical"
Nah, its spectical.
@Truth BTold Not nitpicking but what bugged my ears tf out is that they both started saying that shit
Nah, it's spectacle 🤦🏾♀️
@@iveywebb wtf did this spell check shit type!?! Pardon, bugging tf out
Surf actually right ▶️ stick to your blueprint
I understand what cass saying but if you dont wana lose then come hard nigga, should b motivation to come hard!!!!!!
Yeah but you can't help if you're opponent comes just as hard....then what?
Figure out a judging system that both rappers accept and deal with the outcome
Surf is SO emotional
Cassidy only asking all these questions because he know he about to go in there getting cooked 😂😂😂 and it’s no way in hell Cass gone understand somebody telling he lost
Cassidy is not battling. Easy had someone call Cass because they Philly and most of Easys team he is building is from Philly. Cass was going to agree to support financially but didn't know the details. That is why he had questions.
Jakk said a lot of the same shit. It’s still not going to work
At least he trying to make.it work but yeah bill is lame for riding surf meat
Cassidy give them people their money back
Cass miss the whole point of what Surf was saying narcissist
JAKK BEING IN CHARGE OF SOMETHING BEFORE TAYROC IS CRAZY
Roc dont need this look, he already the man…jakk and bill got the role because this is good for them i prefer lower names to run it
I fuck with surf, but he a real diva lol
What’s not to understand? They have a judgment system and point system to try to make it as fair as possible. You’re pretty much gambling on the battle. Either you win or lose. It the overall consensus is you loss, then that’s the answer. Battle rap is not as opinionated as niggas try to make it out to be. Rap is suppose to be for the consumer. If the consumer like someone else more than the other then that’s the winner.
Respectfully, your last two sentences explain exactly how battle rap really is as opinionated as we make it seem! You're absolutely right, rap is for the consumer. However, everybody not gonna enjoy the shit they hearing the same way which is when the opinions come into play. Battle rap is hard to judge unless there's one rapper who is clearly dominant over the other.
@@bkameka69 boxing is opinionated to but there is a winner. The judges are also consumers too. A neutral cast of judges is as fair as you’ll get. Anytime you do anything that’s judged, you know to prepare for the possibility of losing. If you do a poll of just your peers, you’ll probably get a consistent winner of almost any battle
@@nathaniellebuckley18 niggas just talk to hear themselves talk. That boxing reference makes perfect sense. Hate Floyd all you want but he the goat. Like it or not. Move around
I disagree because battle rap is very opinionated, that’s why there are so many debatable battles. Everyone not going to catch every bar right on the spot and who’s to say which bars/punchlines were more impactful? We all rewatch battles and catch things we missed on the first watch, or can change our opinion on who we think won initially. So is it fair that they’re going to be judged right on the spot?
@@J.Edwards Of course it’s opinionated. Almost any kind of competition is judged based off of opinion. There are niggas running around here acting like they’ve never lost a battle before bc none of these battles are judged. As long as you can make it clear that there will be no biases on any of the battles, it’s fair game. Battle rap is one of the only art forms where we think of “judges” as taboo or some shit. Fact of the matter is, there is always a general consensus on who won the battle. That’s why you always hear the bullshit about “I got such and such winning in the room”. No matter what the battlers say, there aren’t actually too many battles where you won’t have a some what clear winner amongst their peers
Cassidy talking like he know he’ll get smoked in the judges eyes 😭😭 shit sad
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