who is strongest? (Gawain vs Karna)
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Also i use gawain and karna ccc feats but without master support
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Ig the only charcter who can give a tough match to karna on 1v1 is now Gilgamesh
Not really there are character's stronger in the fate verse
nah he would have serious problem against first hassan especially his NP ignores everything and a insta kill and karnas luck isnt high enough to avoid it
@@deadrat69 I was thinking of others too that could beat him when I wrote my comment also
@@deadrat69 where do you scale Hasan bro?
@@user-ux7rr3nj7k Since King Hassan can just make any immortal being vulnerable, you can say he has the ability to bring about the concept of death itself to his opponents. Meaning that no matter how invulnerable or immortal you are, you can be killed. Thats the power of a Grand Servant for you. Like, have you seen what she did to Tiamat xD
People argue about his power consumption but its even stated despite that, that if you were to summon Karna in a grail war and lose, karna wasn't the issue, you were.
Source: FGO Karnas' bio
No, Karna is the issue. Even a top tier Master like Rin wouldn't even be able to sustain Karna longer than 10 seconds of just using Mana Burst with Kavacha & Kundala still active. And when all is said n' done, he still wouldn't win agiainst guys like Gilgamesh or King Arthur.
@@tronovonflidder775 that’s incorrect, although he does burn hard with mana burst it would be unluckily he’d even need it, also keep in mind Karna with the worst master fought Gawain with the best master. Karnas also fought atleast once in apoc under a normal master from mag acos and he could keep up with the spear and armor unlike jinko. Rin would be aduquate enough to run a war with him given she probably would have to use mana burst like a last resort. Karnas even used his own Saint origin as cost to shoot vasavi shakti so don’t give me that be either.
@@chinchin9497
Karna lost to Gawain so that's not really helping your argument. To be honest though, even if he was at his peak, nothing short of EX rank Vasavi Shakti could actually take down Gawain for good. Karna proved he was less skilled than Gawain in that fight, so it's not like actually besting the guy was on the table for him.
@@tronovonflidder775 brother, were we not playing the same game? You act like Gawain had it easy, bro was fighting sweating pretty hard against a Karna who couldn’t use armor or weapons, two comparable servants fighting with relatively equal power and Gawain has the best master u could ask for while Karna got the worst, read the room. Gawain had all the perfect scenarios you could ask for as a servant while Karna was making due with someone who barely qualified as a mage herself granted she had no interest in fighting.
@@chinchin9497
The alternative to their Foxtail fight is just an endurance battle that lasts hours. And it pretty much just comes down to whom runs out of mana first. Gawain could definitely tank A++ rank Vasavi Shakti if all he focusses on is survival and no instant comeback like what happened in Foxtail, by using Numeral of the Saint and Excalibur Galatine at the same time. The only exception to all of this, is if Karna has EX rank Vasavi Shakti, which would probably kill Gawain, period. That however is Karna's only way out.
The circumstances of their Foxtail fight isn't as messed up as Karna fans like to imply. Besides perhaps not having the greatest mana supply in the world, Karna's parameters were still peak, and when push came to shove, he still had enough mana to still use every ability within his arsenal. Kavacha & Kundala was only denied from him by Leo, when he tried to activate it after realising he couldn't overpower Gawain or defeat him with skill alone, but Gawain also didn't have Numeral of the Saint active at the time. So all of Gawain's feats, up until the way he tanked Vasavi Shakti & Excalibur Galatine'd Karna at the end, was fairplay. The characters even straight up admit that in the fight itself. And even then, as I described earlier, Gawain could probably tank A++ Vasavi Shakti on his own, he just wouldn't be able to instantly release a counter-attack.
I never implied it would be easy for Gawain. He would probably be the dominant fighter if Numeral of the Saint was active. But Kavacha & Kundala is hard to bypass without a Noble Phantasm. So like I said, endurance battle that lasts hours and could go either way, 50/50. If Karna has EX rank Vasavi Shakti, Karna is then likely to win most scenario's, but he REALLY needs that EX rank Vasavi Shakti to claim that W. Ain't a casual victory for Karna.
If Karna had a stronger master he will be stronger than Gawain. To summon and keep Karna on this plain you need shit ton of mana. If I am not wrong Karna is the highest mana consuming hero. So if the master has a heavy supply, it becomes almost impossible to defeat Karna unless a grand servent appears. Compared to other servants karna' s summon is just not practical cuz his mana requirements become a burden to the master and the team.
Yes, and this matchup i scale them without master and with their full potential/when their prime feats that already been confirmed/stated
@KARNA- Son of the Sun god. Yes you right in actual Lore karna slams gawain negative diff but in fate lore karna ( vasavi shakti, bramasta kundala, kavacha kundala, CCC) > gawain (Excalibur galatine, sun buff, FP, CCC) mid diff but...
Karna (prime, Archer class (potential), FP, vasavi shakti, kavacha kundala, brahmasta kundala, etc) > gawain (strongest version) no diff posibly negative diff
But mana supply is no reason to get one shot by Sieg
Yeah after reading Fate extra fox tails I can see karna easily winning
You mean after seeing Karna take an L to Gawain you can see him easily winning against Gawain???
@@TheBlaze22b both with. Good masters and nothing to limit one Karan easily takes it
@@TheBlaze22b karna literally can't use his noble phantasm because of his shitty master while tanking gawain np
@@ShinyAzzy lol yes
@@TheBlaze22b Gawain had an incredible master (one of the best masters in Fate ever) while Karna had a neet master. In an even fight Karna would likely be the victor majority of times. Karna’s affinity for the Sun should also be equal if not greater than Gawain’s considering he is the Son of the “Sun God” Surya.
Karna is one of the few servants at the time (not counting everything in strange fake requiem and fgo) to be able to pressure Gil and even probably win
Uhm, no. That would be Artoria. Karna does require EA & Gilgamesh's full attention, (so did Iskandar though), so there's that, but otherwise, no. Karna has no way of winning against Gilgamesh.
@@tronovonflidder775bro gil got clapped by Emiya shirou. Karna is 20 times faster, wiser and has mastered every weapon.
Did I mention lancer karna is wayy weaker than archer karna?
@@user-dv6nf1sf3j
And Karna got clapped by Sieg. Your point?
@@tronovonflidder775 Gil got soloed by Shirou. He beat him using his own power.
While Seig had the following.
1. Fafnir's armor literally one of the very few armors in whole fate verse that counters Karna's flame. Otherwise he would die on the incantation of vasabi sakti.
2.Achilies cosmos literally summoned a world to block vasabi sakti. Yet the whole world got destroyed.
Gil does not have neither vasabi sakti nor achelis cosmos as they devine artifact and not artifacts of man.
Gil has nothing to stop VS
3.Seig had Frankenstein's galvanization which let him spam Balmung.
4.He had Jeanne D' Arcs blessings which was cut out in the anime but present in the novels.
5.Seig deceived karna with that last hidden sword attack. While kundala, his earrings lets him see through deception. Plot armor at its peak.
Bane on karna
1.literally no mortal can summon him in his full power due mana consumption.
Even Amaksa shirou could only sustain for few minutes with a low supply of mana. Which you would know if you played the games.
2. Gil was summoned in his strongest class. While karna as a lancer.
Archer karna is beyond busted which is his original class.
3.Karna fought in the night while he is the weak at night.
Remembered how shirou sayed gil lost cause he mastered none of his weapons?
Well karna literally mastered every type of weapon in existance.
[Note I am talking specificly about fate karna, not even lore karna which is beyond busted]
@user-yw7kx
Gilgamesh was holding back. If he isn't holding back, he could beat both Emiya & Karna.
Iq to Gawain? Bro didn't realize he is indoors and proceed to act smug about how he will be buffed by the power of sun lmao 😂
Lol Tristan even talks about his subpar iq in lb6 🤣
I agree, Karna should get IQ. But when it comes to battle IQ, it shouldn't be equal. That point belongs to Gawain. He literally proved he has better battle IQ than Karna by outdoing him in armed combat.
The luck part was so on point karna always had rotten luck
Ooo man, you should make Karna vs Artoria rather than Gawain. There is no way Gawain can ever match Karna.
Actually gawain ccc can match karna he even defeat him because of master help, without master help he can tank karna vasavi shakti and survive
@@ghanialter7103 I am sorry, I don't know much about CCC games but I think CCC characters are overpowered. I heard Gilgamesh is CCC is complex Multiversal. So just compare normal gawain to Karna.
@@rejuanahmed2062 don't worry bro, i don't know much about ccc story too i just read the overall story of ccc
@@ghanialter7103 where did you read it. Can you please tell me
@@agnostic...4636 you can watch you tuber that make a overall story of it, or from the fandom
Isn’t karna a sun god 💀
Son of the sun god
This is a very 50/50 fight in the Extra manga Karna actually states he has to take Gawain seriously or Gawain will catch him lacking
Well done for being unbiased.
Even in cap standards Karna low diffs gawain because of his higher authority over the sun
That's not what happened in Foxtail. Gawain is just as unkillable. Karna only might take it with EX rank Vasavi Shakti, but that's not low diff, is it?
Damn so true but its not an easy win if they were on the same level of masters karna would win also Recommend Oberon vs Arjuna Alter
Oberon win
How come yo say gawain had better battle iq than karna,karna was stragist and warrior who fought several war.
And he can use every weapon 😏 basically he can be all the class except assassin cuz of the knight pride
@@Valia2899 he can,t used bow,can he or mace.
can you make a knights of round table edit with their voices?
Karna vs Scatach
Arjuna vs Alcides
Hercules vs Achilles
Rama vs Arthur
Cuzilla vs LancerCu
Lancelot vs Gawain
Scathach
Alkeides
Dont know
Arthur definitely 💀💀💀💀
Cu alter
Lancelot has canonically beaten gawain so him
Karna god level power
Gawain VS Mordred. Who wins?
gawain.
Song?
They try to gimp Karna so hard it pisses me off. Why the hell is Gawain out here smacking him up? They nerfed him sp much for fate its crazy
In fate series Arjuna come on fate grand order it adapted in to a anime???
Did not expect gawain to put up a hard fight .
Yeah ccc gawain is almost equal againts ccc karna, he win againts karna beacuse master support and gawain master is the strongest master while karna master is not
@@ghanialter7103 yea am kinda low on fate ccc knowledge so I didn't know
@@frostbite8724 you'll learn it eventually when someone explained it
@@ghanialter7103 bro ccc karna's master was very weak right?
@@ghanialter7103 what if karna had the same apocrypha master in ccc too?
Gawain iq over karna is crazy
people don't know what real karna power and ability,, in reality he can destroy and fate character only thru his normal arrows
Well you are comparing a foolish human with a sword to a god with the strongest bow in History hell clap him in seconds
Even in cap standards Karna low diffs gawain because of his higher authority over the sun