The hand thing. Back then, unmarried people weren’t allowed to touch one another except when dancing so for Mr. Darcy to help Lizzy up in the carriage was a huge thing.
Darcy flexing his hand after help Elizabeth onto the coach showed the affect touching her had on him. Instant chemistry. This is widely known as the first and best romance novel and very funny too.
Mr. Darcy took the rejection of Lizzy as a champ. He realized his mistakes, improved himself and then went back for a second chance. You cannot hate him, I was never a fan of romantic stories but this one is a totally different level of romance. I hoped, you'll react to this
@ginaverso probably why the film only considers the social side of his life instead of exploring him as a man, which was a smart decision by the writer. His growth as a character is superb, though we know that there is a lot we don't know about him, even once the movie ends
See, honestly, I disagree. He didn't change at all. The first time he proposed and she rejected him, she told him exactly what he needed to do to get in her good graces. He simply listened and did those things to get what he wanted- her.
I saw this in the cinema and to my absolute astonishment, about half of the (admittedly rather small) audience were men, as in groupls of men, not just guys accompanying their dates. My astonishment was even greater when afterwards, while leaving the cinema, some of them debated how closely the movie followed the book
Darcy getting Wickham to marry Lydia is a good thing because had they not married, it would have gotten around that she'd run off with a man for days and then come back unwed. Her reputation would have been completely ruined (leaving her basically no chance of getting married) and also the entire family's reputation would have also suffered along with hers (leaving her sisters with lessened chances of getting married). Darcy spending a lot of his own money to strongarm Wickham into marrying Lydia was a HUGE favor on Darcy's part, which is why Lizzie is so touched by it.
Yes, people tend to miss the implications of not wedding off their daughters - especially when there are 5 of them !They could not afford to support them all and women could not live alone or work. The family would have fallen into poverty. Marriage was the only way women could ensure the tiniest bit of security in life back then
@@tonyabrookes9931well women of that social class anyway. Probably the only respectable alternative to starving would have been to become a servant if they could find work they were qualified for.
27:29 She's laughing at the irony of having passed this up, but (in the book especially) it's also what the property reveals about Darcy's character. He likes art, he's into sustainable agriculture, the servants and the villagers like him...Elizabeth begins to think maybe she has been harping on HIS bad qualities and maybe not on her own tendency to be judgy and hold grudges (like he describes himself...)
70 yr old Grandma here. This is by far, the best reaction by men, I’ve seen to this movie! This was based on Jane Austin’s most popular novel. Millions of teenage girls around the world read it, and we all wished for our own personal Mr. Darcy.
The Oak, I think the reasons you didn't like the romance are vaslid if you are looking at it with 21st century eyes. During the regency, things were much different. Men and women were not allowed to be alone together so dances and the like were key times to talk to people you liked. They did not "date." Also, it might interest you to know, most people think of Jane Austen as "historical romances" because it is far history for us, but actually they are comtemporary romances because she was writing about the times in which she lived. She does actually poke mild fun at some of the social conventions she found ridicuolus even as she was living with them. Marriage based on love is actually a very modern idea. A wife's main job was to produce heirs. A mother's main job was to marry off her children. The fact that Lizzie turned down Mr. Collins would have been quite the gossip. The fact that Mr. Bennett wanted his daughters to marry for love would have been quite the wild notion. I'm sorry for rambling, I could go on and on because it is one of my favorite subjects and one of my top 5 favorite authors.
I’m surprised that you didn’t catch that Lidia’s character was played by the actress that played Joanna Mayson in Hunger Games! She’s an amazing actress that transforms with any role! Normally I always agree with Oak, but I think in this case he’s kind of missing the context… ofc in the book they have a lot more interactions that prove they know each other, but as he said I think his problems were more about the age than the actual story… in the book, their acquaintance and the events of the movie actually last more than a year before they reach the last proposal. They stay at the same house for a month and see each other every day, they meet each other again and have a lot more interactions than the movie could fit etc… the reason that a lot of people love this story is because the characters do know each other and, even though at first they bring light to each other’s flaws, then they understand that the other person is right and try to change themselves, not to win each other, but to become better and actually deserve each other. And Darcy is a dream man for so many women because he respects Elizabeth’s wishes and tries to be a better man for her, not to convince her but for her to be happy, whether she’s gonna be with him or not. There’s no “ask her until she says yes” which is a terrible romantic trope cause it totally disregards women’s wishes. And that’s one of the things that are so progressive for the novel at its time: that a woman (especially one of inferior birth and fortune etc) is entitled of her opinion and that a man (one with great fortune and status etc) respects it and acts accordingly. I would dare say that is even progressive for now, because the “ask her until she says yes” trope is still being used excessively in romcoms and tbh is kind of anti feminist and it translates this way many times… imo it’s one of the things that make romcoms unrealistic, because irl if someone keeps asking after you’ve said no, it’s annoying and dangerous (and a red flag as my friend Oak would say), certainly not romantic. Wow sorry for the rant, apparently this was a trigger for me 😂 I hope it helps you guys understand the appeal that Jane Austin has for a lot of people (mostly women ofc, but for good reason)
Do you think that Mr Bennet wanting the girls to marry for love is something of a lesson he learned himself? Like either he really does love Mrs Bennet and married her despite her obvious impropriety or he doesn’t really love her and wants his girls to not make the mistake he did?
@Marcus The "historical people were ruthless, unfeeling robots" perception in pop history is really annoying. For some reason people seem to think basic empathy and desire were invented at the turn of the 20th century. I've had someone try to tell me 13th century parents didn't love their children... like, at all. They just didn't see them as human beings. Yeah, culture certainly does change with the times, but people were still people. Humans 6,000 years ago lived the same experiences we do today. We're really not that different in the ways that matter.
He wasn’t practicing at talking to people…..he WENT THERE TO DECLARE HIS INTENTIONS, Christ maybe read a book once every decade? You’d know that if you’d read the book or knew a little about social mores and habits at that time. Besides that why you ASSUMED he was there to practice….when at the time in 1815ish men didn’t just SHOW UP to visit a female that wasn’t related him AND SHE WAS ALONE. That’s why knowing even a TINY BIT about social history helps in a huge way. 🙄🤡
@6Haunted-Days what to you expect to gain by trying to be a keyboard warrior here? A very poor attempt trying to throw out insults is a very weak move. If you know so much, why don't you actually try to educate in a respectful way? We would actually respect your opinion then.
Honestly the fact that three guys could get into the narrative so much says a lot about the strength of the writing and story. The Oak even says his issues are with the time period's perception of romance, which is not actually a reflection on the story in any way. And I think that's really cool.
Oh god this reaction was unexpectedly fantastic!!! Going in, I didn’t think I’d have this much fun rewatching this movie with you guys… but now I can honestly say that this one is my favorite reaction video to this film! You guys are just really amazing and continue to surprise me. Thank you so much for brightening my day 🎉
What's funny about watching middle age men react is that they always point out some sort of detail that relates back to carpentry. Like "look at the size of that tree" "oh that's some old world lumber right there." LOL It's happened on more that one occasion, and I laugh every time because literally no one else notices that stuff. Great reaction!
All the attention & comments on the things like nature & architecture reminded me very much of Luke & Jackson in Gilmore Girls at Rory’s high school graduation where they’re noticing like the gargoyles on the school & such lol. Not that these things shouldn’t be noticed or appreciated (the scenery & cinematography are STUNNING), but I feel like most the ladies watching are just swooning 🥰 & rightly so lol. But this movie is one of few movies I consider perfect in every single way ❤️ & I loooved watching y’all react to it & understanding & appreciating all the dialogue & humor 😊
I read somewhere that Jane Austen wrote about ladies who "went fishing in a bad pond, but still came out with a good catch." The Bennet girls were in an awkward position, they were of a class that allowed them even fewer choices than women who were either richer or poorer than they. This meant that trying to "marry well" was their only chance of having any sort of a decent life. And that was no joke. Marrying for love is nice, but when you aren't able to get a job to increase your income, and when your family and friends will only hang out with you if you are in an acceptable position, then catching a decent husband who has standing and money is a life and death endeavor. It was hard to make themselves attractive enough to eligible men, and there weren't many such men around. So, Elizabeth came out extremely well, not because she knew Darcy inside and out, but because she knew the most important things about him. He is generous, discrete, selfless, and has great strength of character. He respected her, and as far as any young couple is in love, so were they. Also, Mr. Collins stood to inherit the place where the Bennets lived, because Mr. Bennet had no sons, and women couldn't inherit back then. That meant that if Mr. Bennet died, his wife and daughters would be at Mr. Collins mercy. In Austen's other most famous novel, Sense and Sensibility, this is exactly what happens to a widow and her daughters - they get turned out by the stepson who inherits everything. Also, if Darcy hadn't forced Wickham to marry Lydia, he would've dumped her somewhere after he got sick of her, which could easily have been a death sentence since she might not have made it home. As it was, Lydia and Wickham's end is sort of a "you made your bed, now sleep in it" type of justice. He can't just leave the girl he seduced no matter how annoying she is, and she has to pay for her foolishness by putting up with him for the rest of her life.
*Mr. Darcy's iconic hand stretch* "that was weird, it was like he was forced to do that" NOOOOO NO! It's the female gaze, it's the sexual tension mixed with the surging anxiety of a feeling developing, it's the tingle that shoots through the tip of his finger into his whole body, it's the indomitable human spirit trembling in front of the power of love!!!!!
Also the fact that he wasn't supposed to do that (and at the moment he didn't want to because he was resolved to forget Lizzie once and for all) but he couldn't help it
To make the whole situation with Lydia and Mr. Wickham clear and why Mr. Darcy saved the day: basically, the young and unmarried Lydia spent several days living alone with an unmarried, untitled man. Even if nothing happened, people would talk and assume Lydia, as well as the rest of the Bennett daughters, have loose morals and would absolutely destroy the reputation and the marriage prospects of the entire family. The only way to avoid this fallout would be if Mr. Wickham married Lydia, and he would only do that if Lydia's dowry was paid, which the Bennett's cannot afford. Lydia was basically being held hostage, but she was too naive and blinded by the romanticism of being swept off her feet by a "man in uniform" to see it. Darcy paying the dowry and being a witness at the wedding was him putting the pressure on Mr. Wickham to keep his word. Also Mr. Darcy doing the hand flex thing wasn't him being uncomfortable so to speak, it was a big no-no to touch a woman's bare hand during this time so that was him going "omg I got to touch her hand 🤯" like a dork lol
Yep. Eloping (running away to get married) wasn't actually unusual for the time period. They were basically the equivalent of a shotgun wedding, and while sort of scandals in their own right, were not seen as bad as not getting married at all. Don't forget Darcy feels a little ashamed for not warning people of Wickham as well.
Yes!!! This is what I came to the comments to say but you said it for me! It's also been a few years since I last read the novel (I've read it a few times) and I believe Mr. Wickham had no intention of marrying Lydia. Lydia was going to ruin the whole family.
@@TheCrayonMasterYou do remember correctly! Wickham once again had gambling debts and wanted to skip town. Lydia was into him and wanted to marry him, but she had no money so Wickham wasn’t planning on marrying her. He just thought the company might be okay and kind of allowed her to tag along, because what would he care if her and her whole family’s reputation gets shattered? That’s none of his business-so Darcy makes it his business because he loves Elizabeth and wants to force Wickham to do the honorable thing for once.
@@TheCrayonMaster It's a little unfair to put the blame on Lydia, she was 15 remember? Mr. Wickham was the one who was ruining them all and she was not even his first victim. That's something I don't like about this story. I know this was the way back then but it always seems to me that Lydia is sort of seen like that bad girl that ruined her family while the man involved is not blamed the same way. He sort of kidnapped her just to have fun with her since he never intented to marry her.
@@sawanna508 They don't really address it in this version of P&P, but in the book (and the 1995 miniseries, which follows the book VERY closely) Wickham is considered a scandal and a cad for running away with a 15 year old girl. While Mr. Bennett and his brother in law are looking for Lydia and Wickham in London, Mrs. Bennet's sister (who did not make it into this adaptation at all) shows up to share all the gossip she's found out about the debts Wickham ran up in the village, and that he "interfered" with some of the tradesmen's daughters. It's partly a comic scene, because she and Mrs. Bennett--who up to that point would NOT SHUT UP about how amazing and handsome and wonderful Wickham was--start agreeing that oh, they always knew there was something wrong with him, etc etc (and, of course, Mrs. Bennett reverses her opinion AGAIN when Lydia and he actually marry--then he's amazing, handsome, etc all over again). Further illustration of how incredibly silly and shallow Mrs. Bennett was. This version of P&P has a much more sympathetic portrayal of Mrs. Bennett (and the Bennetts' marriage) than the book or most other adaptations. It's even implied that Mr. Bennett and she love one another--whereas in the book, Mrs. Bennett is pretty much a middle-aged Lydia: she's never gained any maturity or sense, and remains a silly and ridiculous woman. It's stated fairly clearly in the book that Mr. Bennett married her because she was extremely beautiful--and he THOUGHT he loved her--and then once they were married he realized she was utterly brainless and he was pretty sick of her before the first year of marriage was up. But since divorce wasn't a thing, they were stuck with each other. It's partly why he wants no part in forcing any of his daughters--especially the two oldest--into marriages they don't truly want. He doesn't want them to be as miserable as he is.
Y'all have some of the best reactions out there. I'll be honest, when I first started watching I thought Y'all were not going to take it serious. Thought Y'all would just be making fun of the plot and not pay attention. Wow, was I showing my prejudice!!! Cannot wait to react to more from Y'all. When I first read the novel and watched the movies I use to get annoyed with Mrs. Bennet. However, when you realize that back then women really had nothing. Everything came from the father or husband. She wanted to marry her daughters off to ensure their future, so they would be taken care of and had some protection. It wasn't like today where a woman can make her own living and has rights.
Dude these guys are some of the best reactors in the world. Very emotionally intelligent. If you met them on the street you'd think "Dumb dude-bros who make fun of people for having emotions". Not remotely the case. They're so open to new experiences and have no fear about expressing how they feel. Seriously my favorite TH-cam channel.
I LOVED this. As a person who has read many of Austen’s books, and dearly love this particular version of the film, I never realised before how wonderful it would be to hear three loud and fun American guys who seem like they could be handpicked straight out of an American football team talk about Pride and Prejudice! It was _great_ seeing it through your eyes and I was laughing with you. Will be liking your videos and checking out more of your stuff. The third guy had a valid point about people not getting to know each other before falling in love and getting married, but I would like to say that he’s right in his assessment that it is the time period he has a problem with, and not the movie. Marrying for love really wasn’t that common in the early 19:th century, and since people generally married much younger, didn’t divorce, weren’t allowed to flirt around or date and met far fewer people in their lives than we do today, falling in love would have likely happened much easier, and then you spent your marriage getting to know each other. It does annoy me when more modern movies do the same thing though, as many do, but in this context where it is actually quite realistic it doesn’t annoy me, though it’s a valid point. Thanks for a great video!
loved how much of a kick you guys were getting out of the dialogue! jane austen really wrote some zingers. this is my ultimate comfort movie; it’s just perfect! i think you guys would also love “sense and sensibility” from 1995 if you’re looking for another austen adaptation!
Oh Oak. It IS a beautiful and inspiring love story for SO many reasons, and here are a few: 1. The idea of valuing LOVE to the point of a woman refusing a good match because she did not love and respect the man was REVOLUTIONARY. I mean, Lizzie saying NO to MR. DARCY was absolutely INSANE. Heck, her refusing MR. COLLINS was very out there as he had a lot to offer her financially, including keeping their house in the family. 2. Lizzie breaks a LOT of social norms and etiquettes, yet Mr. Darcy falls for a woman far beneath him in rank, wealth and social status because she is INTELLIGENT. He likes that she CHALLENGES him, that she is an EQUAL. He goes above and beyond to impress HER, to win HER, and to save her family by getting Wickham to marry Lydia and giving his blessing and encouragement for Bingley to marry Jane. He even works to impress Lizzie's uncle and aunt on her mother's side, who are "just" a merchant and his wife with no real ranks, titles etc. 3. Darcy and Lizzie started out on the wrong foot, and is a beautiful OG "enemies to loves" love story. Misunderstandings, miscommunication, wounded prides and prejudices had to b overcome and resolved for them to finally be together. And in the end they know each other far better than most at that time - values, character, interests, likes and dislikes... and only that makes it possible for Lizzie to fall for Darcy and accept his proposal. I get that courtship was different then, but even so... what Austen was doing by challenging the idea of courtship and love in her own time, to me, makes it a story I can easily view as a beautiful love story even with my more modern POV. And I hope you may grow to appreciate that Oak, even if you will never love it as much as me.
Speaking of obsolete norms on love and relationships, I'm surprised no one has commented on the very first sentence of the book: "It is a truth universally acknowledged, that a single man in possession of a good fortune, must be in want of a wife." 😂 Perfectly shows how Austen questioned social norms and expectations way before her time - with humor, sarcasm and wit. Until this day, you simply cannot NOT be triggered by this "alleged truth", it is the perfect way to begin a book!
What I loved was how Mr Darcy's clothing went from bein completely in order and in fashion to more and more relaxed in style, even disheveled in appearance as time went on.
as a woman what makes this a great lovestory ( and as people have pointed out, a) courtship was like this back then and b) there was more of it in the book) is that at first he just says he's in love with her for pretty superficial reasons, he was intrigued because she gave him shit. But then when she refuses him and she tells him he's being an asshole by saying " Hey I love you despite your inferior birth and embarrassing family and also broke up your sister and my friend because of this) he doesn't lash out, he explains himself for the things she is wrong about (Wickham and his intentions behind breaking up Jane and Bingley) but he actually takes what she says seriously and changes. He betters himself, then goes out of his way to help her sister without claiming credit for it, and then after meeting her again a couple of times and noticing she is noticeably warmer to him, and after she refuses to promise his aunt never to marry him, he goes and says " Hey, they way you've behaved and what you told my aunt gave me hope- if that hope is wrong, I will never speak of it again. I love you-if you want to." That's pretty refreshing to be honest, especially compared to modern rom-coms where the lesson seems to be "persistence is key". I also appreciate that they both have to overcome their negative traits here, a lot of the time in modern romcoms, one person is flawed and the other is a poor perfect martyr waiting for the other person to wake up and realize what they're missing
Finally! A group of guys who can keep up with the subtle and intricate workings of this time period! Granted, not everything was spot on, but it's forgivable for a once-through. But the part that made me the happiest was appreciating how funny this witful battle of conversations get. Thank you for actually watching the film
It's like a love story for two awkward introverts who never really wanted love, or thought they would find it. Just two headstrong loners who had to eventually give up their defenses when they got thunder struck against their will. It's like a love story for two protesters of love. Definitely a beautiful-looking film. Well acted. Joe Wright is a master of making complicated scene choreography flow. The sunset scene at the end is especially relaxing. Feels like getting high. Like putting aside the hamster wheel of the mind, letting go of pride and presumption and just surrendering to something good that you can't explain. 🌄💖😌
This is probably the last movie I would ever expect Badd Medicine to react to, and your reaction was so wonderful it raised my spirits on a very bad day. Thanks, guys. You are the best.
The significance of Mr. Darcy’s hand is awesome. They constantly reference it in that he has much affection for her but for the large chunk of the film it’s obviously one-sided, showing his hand at his side. Finally at the climax when they profess their love she kisses his hand (im pretty sure the same hand that has been framed in previous scenes) and says “your hands are cold.” Love this movie
You guys wont believe this but i just screamed with happiness, two days ago i broke a toe on my foot and tomorrow i need to get a cast and this has just made me happy after all the pain. 💓
I also just shouted “yay” and may have just told my son I can’t wait til he takes a nap so I can watch this. One of my all time favorite movies and my go-to feel good movie.
To answer The Oak, (sorry if this gets long) bear in mind this is from a novel and was condensed into a movie so the time passing is ofc harder to show. As for when and how they fall in love, that's the thing, they don't do it at the same, time, hence why the courting is strange. Because Darcy starts falling in love as soon as Lizzy started roasting him, and you can see how, in his own awkward way this shows like when he asks her to dance, but at the same time, as he said he struggled too due to how things worked by then until eventually his feelings win over that and he proposes. Problem is Lizzy is totally taken by surprise by this because after that terrible first impression from him she became prejudiced against him (Pride & Prejudice get it lol) so she was under the impression he hated her or at the very least wouldn't imagine he was courting her. You can see in the movie (and more so in the books) she sometimes assumes he's trying to humilliate her for example. Only after the letter, Lizzy can eventually clean the slate when it comes to him. It's when she's at his house that she starts falling in love, not because of the wealth but because he learns more about him now without the pride and prejudice interferring (this is better shown in the book tho). At the same time, Darcy now having learnt his lesson is trying to better himself, that's why he's improved his ways in general but you can especially see it with the interactions with her aunt and uncle, (and thus how they also have a better opinion of him than Lizzy's family for example). And THAT would be his courting, in a way because at this point the problem they have is that because Lizzy has rejected him neither wants to push it to far or dares hope. Darcy is technically doing this without any ulterior motives cause he's already been rejected and there's no guarantee Lizzy would change his mind (hence why it's not after Lady Catherine's outburst that he thinks he has a chance) which adds to the romanticism in fact. And Lizzy was worried she might never get another chance, because for all this "courting" being effective, unless he proposes again, it wouldn't matter if she changed her mind about him or not. Yes, dating as we know it today wouldn't have been possible back then. But still you can see very clearly it's their personalities and gestures that they fell in love with.
Glad you all enjoyed the film! As to Oak’s question, they can’t really ‘date’ in this time period. If a girl is alone with a guy without a chaperone, it is scandalous and her reputation is destroyed. That whole morning mist scene isn’t in the book, because they added that for modern audiences. You can only spend time with people at balls and with family around. And they did that. Marriage is also more of a business arrangement in this time, so dating isn’t a priority. Mr. Collins actually has realistic expectations when he comes to propose. Jane Austen, the author, is ahead of her time for believing marriage should be more than a business arrangement. Also, this movie has to rush through events from the book because the book has a lot more content. So Darcy and Elizabeth spent more time together (in the company of other people) and did know each other pretty well by the time they married. Elizabeth also fell in love with Darcy for the things he did to help others as she saw him let go of his pride. But yes, that was a good assessment when Oak said it’s more the time period and customs that he doesn’t like.
One more now that i have heard the commentary: people didnt "date" back then. But we know that Lizzie fell in love with him when she saw his personality reflected in his house, and his art collection, and the way his staff held him in such personal high regard.
Looooooove that you’re reacting to this, this is my comfort movie!! Fun fact, when Elizabeth walks into the parlor to visit Jane while Mr. Darcy and Ms. Bingly are seated, Elizabeth has her hair down, which is highly informal, and it gives poor Mr. Darcy the vapors! Regency Era etiquette was complex and quite strict, so for her to walk in in her basic dress and hair down, she might as well have been in her underwear. It’s rather scandalous😂 This version of the book is incredibly well done, for how much they had to cut out. For only being 2 hours long, they kept in the heart of the story. I highly recommend you watch the 6 hour A&E version with Colin Firth and Jennifer Ehle, it dives even deeper into the text, and is just as funny. Jane Austin wrote so many wonderful novels, but this is truly her magnum opus, it’s just so good, there are so many layers of comedy and subtext, the wit is phenomenal. 💖 As per the issues around them not being able to court each other, the book spans a full year or two of time, and the movie leaves out the other times they actually met and had interactions. Indeed, back then, you really didn’t get to “fall in love” properly most of the time, to marry for love was a rarity, most people married almost as a business transaction. Like Charlotte says, “not everyone can afford to be romantic”. The women had 0 power over their lives, they couldn’t work, they couldn’t bring in money, so they were bound by their dowry, and how much money their prospective husbands made, either in trade(lower class) or land holdings(upper class like Darcy). For Elizabeth to turn down TWO proposals back to back was practically suicide. That’s why her mother was so upset that she refused Mr. Collins’ proposal, she would have inherited their family home and property, along with all the tenants, which was their source of income. She could have elevated her sisters, which would have given them more chances at lucrative marriages of their own. It was a nightmare back in the day to be a woman in this era. If you were poor, you were poor. If you didn’t marry, and didn’t have a sizable inheritance to keep you housed and fed, you were screwed. Your family’s honor was also a massive factor in how mobile you were in your rank of society. For Lydia to run off and be with some soldier she wasn’t married to would have actually ruined both her family, and her sister’s chances to marry well. Nobody would associate with a family that had a daughter of ill repute. Literally. It would have cast them out of their social circle, and none of the sisters would have had a chance to marry anyone with money, or of good reputation, it was nuts. The reason this is one of the most cherished love stories of all time, is that despite the insanity of the social norms around them, both Darcy and Elizabeth change so dramatically as people because of meeting each other. Yeah, they don’t get to Date, nobody did. But each starts out the story very solid in their ways, each is proud and prejudiced against the other for their own reasons. But through meeting, through learning about each other, and realizing they each were wrong in their own turn, they grow. They make visible, tangible changes to who they are as people, and they make each other better. You get more of this is the book, and the longer version of the show, so I can see upon first viewing why The Oak is struggling with his feelings. But, taken within the context of society at the time, this book was revolutionary. I’ve personally watched this film about 150 times, and I honestly feel it’s worth rewatching, and learning a bit about the culture at this time, it all makes much more sense. Sorry to drone on and on, but I truly love this story, and as a fan, I have to give some context for the glaring oddities that to us seem crazy, but back then, it was just how things were done. 💖
That is one of the things I love about this version. People complain that Elizabeth having her hair down, but even her just walking to the house would have been almost as scandalous as having her hair down. They made small adjustments to historical accuracy to make up some context lost in time.
Thanks, you explain the situation of women so well.👍 It is what they missed (and what I missed too the 1rst time I watched the movie) : if your father die without leaving you a proper annual income, you loose everything (your father, your home, most of your belongings) and you become quite a beggar, hoping someone (a brother, a cousin or a well-married sister) invites you to live in his/her home ! (like Jane and Cassandra Austen obliged to live with their brother, or like the Dashwood widow and daughters).
It was so interesting to see you guys’ reactions! To touch on what the oak said, the movie had to cram a lot of content in which is why the bbc tv show is preferred by a lot of people. With one thing happening after another in the movie it’s easy to lose track of the fact that the story actually takes place over a year and in the book Darcy and Elizabeth interact a lot more. The regency era was strict however and they wouldn’t have been allowed in the same room alone together, to call each other by their first name, write each other letters (Darcy’s letter to Elizabeth would have been a scandal if found out) or dance more than two times at one ball! So dates were hard to come by! I like to think after they were engaged they got know each other a little more probably on some (chaperoned) walks. 😂
The butler announcing all the Bennet ladies is how it was formally done when entering someones home. First names are only used on small children and at home between close family relations- kids parents aunts uncles. Husband/wives would use their honorifics Mr/Mrs at home so as not to show intimacy in front of servants. When introducing a family to someone new like at the ball, in their case its 'Mr + Mrs bennet', then the eldest daughter in public is always addressed as 'Miss Bennet', and the remaining sisters are 'Miss first name'. When Jane marries, Elizabeth becomes the primary 'Miss bennet' and on down. If it was sons, if the mother was widowed the oldest son is introduced "Mr/Lord/Sir last name" and the younger sons "Mr first name." But for instance, Lydia Bennet in Brighton is 'Miss Bennet' there as the only one of her family in vicinity.
I love the fact that you all stopped to wonder how the fountain works. I have seen this movie a dozen time (it is my favorite romantic movie) and have never once even consider the mechanics of the fountain.
Late 1700s was a good guess. Joe Wright decided to place it around 1796, which was the year that Austen starting writing the novel. It was initially rejected for publication in 1797. An interesting point I had not previously realised, Wikipedia tells us that: "The militia were mobilised after the French declaration of war on Britain in February 1793, and there was initially a lack of barracks for all the militia regiments, requiring the militia to set up huge camps in the countryside, which the novel refers to several times. The Brighton camp for which the militia regiment leaves in May after spending the winter in Meryton was opened in August 1793, and the barracks for all the regiments of the militia were completed by 1796, placing the events of the novel between 1793 and 1795." Austen revised the novel significantly after *Sense and Sensibility* was published in 1811, and it was eventually published in 1813. Consequently a lot of adaptations are set around then, but since Joe Wright didn't like the fashions of the time, he went for a mid-late 1790s setting instead, which is actually more accurate anyway. It was really interesting seeing your reactions to the movie, and I'm glad you enjoyed it. Do you plan to watch any other Austen adaptations, or any Bronte adaptations?
This was AMAZING!!! I love how passionately Answer was defending it being a love story against the oak!! You guys are gems!! Thank you for the laughs :)
Jane Austen wrote Pride and Prejudice in 1813, but the story holds up to this day. She was an extremely witty writer - you might also enjoy the newest movie of Emma - yet through all the romantic plot and character development, her commentary on the economic plight of women of her time and her take-down of class differences were and remain very sharp. She was one of the greatest novelists. The best repartee in the movie came straight from the book, and a LOT was left out of course. I'd say this film is like the Harry Potter movies as they relate to the books, whereas the 1995 miniseries is like the Lord of the Rings in its relationship to the book. The critique of "is this a love story, where is the courtship?" is totally fair wrt this movie - but not the book or the miniseries. I find this film makes some of the motivations of the characters hard to figure out because it's so short and there are definitely historical anachronisms to make it accessible to a popular audience - but it captures the overall story and the fun. I vastly prefer the BBC version of 1995 because it is so much more true to the book, especially in the characterization of Darcy and the subtle development of the love between Elizabeth and Darcy, but that's not to diss this film. If you want another angle on it I do suggest the 6 episode miniseries from 1995 or, even better, the book! (BTW there weren't "dates" in those days, AFAIK. A ball was like a date.)
YOU CAN DEFINITELY BREATHE IN A CORSET! CORSETS ARE AWESOME. A friend of mine, who is an opera singer, testified that she likes to sing with a corset because it corrects her posture while also give some sort of support for her body. The reason why many people in the past finding it a labor to breathe is because many things (fabrics, plates, etc) are dyed with toxic substances. Making them literally breathing poison!
Oak, good on you for standing on your principles. I am glad that you all caught on to the humor; some people have trouble enough just following the dialogue, let alone catching the sarcasm and wit. And yes, the book does the relationships better and doesn't feel so rushed.
Just to set you straight, Caroline Bingley was Charles Bingley's sister and not Mr. Darcy. Caroline is in love with Mr. Darcy and she dreams that she marries Darcy and then she also dreams that Charles, her brother marries Darcy's sister. Mr. Darcy has only one sister, which is the teenage girl Georgiana who played the piano. It was Georgiana that Wickham tried to take advantage of the summer before the story begins. Wickham was an unremarkable brat who squandered money he didn't have and dreamed of marrying into wealth. That's what he intended with Georgiana the summer before Mr. Darcy managed to save his sister. The damage was done with Lydia so Mr. Darcy went about paying Wickham to marry Lydia. Darcy also paid off all of Wickham's debts and also paid for a new letter of employment as he had painted himself into a corner with the colonel he used to work with. But Mr. Darcy did all this to prevent the Bennet family from being disgraced, but if the family had been disgraced, no honorable man would have married those sisters. Mr. Darcy wanted to marry Elizabeth so he did everything he could to make it happen.
While I do enjoy this film, my preferred version is the one with Colin Firth because the script aligns more closely with the novel. Including a series of group walks in which people would pair off and get to speak directly to each other. Also they grab small moments for a private word in a public setting, as during a ball or in the parlor after dinner. And, the ultimate in privacy was written notes or letters. It was just the way it was done for the upper and middle classes back then. Life was short, options were limited, and girls were taught that their sole purpose in life was to get married and have children.
The Oak is turned off by the customs of the time. Lizzy/Darcy probably got to know each other better than most people would back then. Charlotte married Mr. Collins after a few hours' acquaintance. Jane and Bingley danced together 2 or 3 times (the max allowed per "proper" behavior rules) and talked while dining with others a time or two before he was persuaded to abandon her. He visited once and then proposed. Darcy and Lizzy danced and spent more time arguing (while Jane was sick) than either of those other 2 couples ever talked. And then he was at his aunt's house for weeks, seeing her at dinners at least 2x/week before she refused him and he wrote a letter and trusted her with his deepest secret/his sister's reputation. Then, they met when she was touring his house (he came home earlier than expected) and he went out of his way to welcome her. Introducing her to his sister was HUGE, per customs then. Then, he saved Lizzy's family's reputation AND confessed to Bingley that he'd hidden info about Jane (sending Bingley back to marry Jane). Darcy started out proud/rude/shy and took Lizzy's criticisms to heart and tried to be a better person. While the author never married and romance wasn't her goal in writing the story (she was being satirical/funny)... this has probably become the template for almost every enemies to lovers rom-com since. I prefer the 1995 miniseries, but this film was beautifully shot and had some great performances. Laughed a lot with your reactions. Good stuff! :)
It is a classic for a reason! Jane Austen was very clever and witty in all her writing, but P&P is her masterpiece. Great characters, tight plot line, and enough chemistry and misunderstanding to keep you on edge to the end…
I don't think I've ever clicked on anything faster than this... Nothing in the world has tickled me more than 3 grown burly men watching Pride and Prejudice and loving it! 💕
Emma Thompson and Alan Rickman were excellent in Sense and Sensibility. Emma - both the Gwyneth Paltrow version and the Anya Taylor-Joy version were good too.
Also, as far as the end statement of “when” did they fall in love, it’s described much better in the book, the times they see each other, they wouldn’t have been alone ever during the time period but it’s much more spread out, I recommend the book it’s so descriptive and delightful
Oh man, I've been eagerly waiting for this to drop ever since it was announced on the community tab! I always love the mix of movies you guys react to - y'all keep it fun ✨
Really enjoyed watching you all watch what must be my favourite movie. To answer a couple of your questions (if nobody has already), Pemberly is actually Chatsworth House in Derbyshire, the ancestral home of the Dukes of Devonshire. One of the Duchesses was an ancestor of Princess Diana. The fountain is totally gravity fed - amazing!
The hand thing: Darcy's words usually express contempt and disdain for the seemingly uncultured people around him but his hands reveal his true inner thoughts for Lizzy. When he touches her bare hand, he clenches and unclenches his hand as if he felt electricity (sparks). That's the only emotion he communicates in that moment while his face is expressionless. And when Lizzy gets caught snooping and they have their awkward conversation, they focus on his hand to show his longing for her. It's empty and lonely without her hand holding his.
I love that this story hints on the fact that being wealthy isn't/wasn't always so great because of the duties it came with. Darcy risked a lot by not marrying Lady Cathrine's daughter. The entire high society could have turned their backs on him, he could have lost a lot.
Fun fact in the book it's Caroline (bingleys sister) who goes on about dances being dumb and needing conversation. She did it because she liked darcy and knew he didn't like dances. She was the original pick me
Jane Austin describes more interactions between Lizzie and Darcy, but in Regency England, dancing with a suitor was really the only time you had to talk and get to know a potential suitor. Learning how to properly dance without actually touching was not only a fashionable trait, but a means of finding a spouse. A very different time period indeed.
I realise that it's many months since you've done this reaction but I enjoyed it so thoroughly, I wanted to answer some of your queries: Darcy's house "Pemberley" was filmed in Chatsworth House, the fountain is a gravity fed Emperor Fountain, powered by the pressure of water dropping 122m (400 ft) , through a 40cm (15.75 inch) iron pipe. The statue gallery there is magnificent! The Veiled Vestal Virgin statue that Oak admired was commissioned in 1846, made by Rafaelle Monti in Naples. The rules of courtship were set in stone, touching of hands was rare as ladies were always in gloves, this explains why dancing was so popular. Men & women were never alone, even sending letters to each other when not engaged is a scandalous break of protocol. The ending scene was added later for American audiences. There was of course, no kiss in the original!
I just love how two grown man argue about the "right way" to court after watching a Jane Austen Movie. :-) And I do not know why but I really love to watch Oak and seeing his hole soul absorbing movies. You can see all the feelings and depth behind this face. Really appreciate your willingness to show how you perceive things - that's a vulnerable state and takes courage and trust. Thank you for that. I have the feeling that you really are a great guy.
I've read the book and watched the movies -- most of the versions that are out there. This adaptation was NOT one of my favorites but I watch it because you guys took the time to react to it. And I've always enjoyed your reactions. I agree with Oak for the most part in his review that this adaptation didn't show the moments when they fell in love with each other. The high points are there -- the rebuff at the dance, reading in the Netherfield drawing room, Rosings Park afternoons, etc. However, the beauty of Elizabeth & Darcy's story is that he might have thought himself "in love" until she refused to marry him. He had been "in love" with the novelty of her not caring about her wealth. But when she said no, he had to figure out if there was any truth to her words about his behavior -- had he misjudged her family, had he simply thought Jane was indifferent to his friend because she was introverted or reserved, even his (first) proposal to her was terrible and condescending. Because he had been surrounded by scheming ladies (like Caroline Bingley), he saw every available woman (excepting of his sister) as money grubbing schemers. The BBC 1995 TV version, the one I prefer, is the one with Colin Firth and Jennifer Ehle. This version will get you all the interactions that you felt was missing between Mr. Darcy and Elizabeth. His interest was piqued when she wasn't really impressed with his wealth or seeking his approval. Dates back then consisted of being in a room with chaperones as they conversed or chaperones as they walked around the park or sitting around in their drawing room making small talk. Very little opportunities in that era for a couple to be alone. So many scenes that were not included but were dropped for the sake of the adaptation and run time. (And this is the longest comment I have ever made on a reaction video. Cheers.)
Book reader and movie watcher, reporting for duty! The movie is about as faithful as it can be. Obviously some things have to be omitted because of run time, so a lot of the interactions were kind of jammed together (this goes for Bingley and Jane too!) Having said that, Darcy and Elizabeth's relationship is a gradual build over, I think, a year ish to my recollection. They're together in the house when Jane is sick for like 2 weeks, Darcy is present at Rosings when Lizzie is visiting Charlotte and they visited for like 2 months (long travel times back in the day, guests often stayed multiple weeks/months.) Anywho, as you all assumed, the relationship builds more in the novel. And while P&P really is a Regency Era true love story, I also see how looking at it through a modern lens can make it more problematic than its original pen date. I personally take issue with the "you had to know, it was all for you" moment in Darcy's final confession. The argument that Darcy improves himself without intending to revisit his proposal to Lizzie rings very hollow to me since he blatantly admits to having ulterior motives in fixing the Wickham/Lydia fiasco. But, at the end of the day, Darcy is a good egg who (because he was rich) never had anyone tell him off like Lizzie did, which encouraged his development as an introverted man. They really do suit each other quite well.
About the whole "fixing the Lydia/Wickham thing" just for Lizzie I always thought that he did it so that she wouldn't be humiliated, as she would if Lydia's situation became known. By covering that, Darcy was somehow clearing her reputation and by extension, Lizzie's. Not because he expected to marry her at the time (of course he still wanted to but he knew that Elizabeth didn't reciprocate his feelings) but because he couldn't stand Lizzie being harmed in any way, not if he could help it (pun intended😂)
How dare you sir Oak! Fitzwilliam Darcy is the absolute epitome of model husband. Read the book...it's my favorite book...it's hilarious. His touching her hand...swoon! That was a sexy no no back in the day...the verbal sparring multiple times through the book...I love that man - he is the archetype of the savior prince and I am here for it!
It's true that back then there was no concept of dating. Most mariages were somewhat arranged between friendly families or from the same situation. That said, that is precisely one of the points that Jane Austen tried to make back then AND still stand today because women's social situation haven't change that much really in centuries. Also, something that the film can't show but the book does is that they became socially friendly. Darcy and Bingley would spent a lot of evenings at the Bennet's, to dine or just to hang out. When Janne is in London she gets to know Georgiana and hangs out with Bingley's sisters. When Lizzie goes to Charlote's place she and Darcy hang out a lot for days, walking and horse riding. And when Lizzie goes with her aunt and uncle to Derbishire also spend some days with the Darcy's. So they had met very well in the course of months or a year and had been witness of how much they had evolve and grow and how their prejudice had hurt their inicial concepts of each other... so in that way and the way few female authors wrote back then about societal expectations and the roles of men and women, Jane was a trailblazer because she didn't write about romantic love which usually she describes as leading to disaster, but about how women should chose their partners.
I’ve been to the house which they used as Darcy’s house in this, it’s just as stunning in real life. There are also still many “lived in” stately homes here in the UK that the public can visit. Great reaction. One of my all time favourite books.
Fun fact, it was the original owners of the house that we see here as being Pemberley , Chatsworth House ,that first introduce the idea of having visitors. They gave orders that when they were away ( and they were away often in their other houses) the housekeeper could and should show the house to visitors that asked to see it. They were filthy rich and art patrons and believed that everyone should be able to enjoy art and the beauty of the park. To this day the Cavendish family are art patrons and each generation has added sculptures and paintings to the collection. Another fun fact one of JFK's sisters married the eldest son of the 10th Duke of Cavendish , but he was killed in battle during WWII , later she also died in a plain crash and his younger brother who later became the Duke married one of the Mitford sisters. So it became a trend at the time, visitors would pay a small fee to the Housekeeper for a guided tour and many people did this. In the book Elizabeth and her aunt and uncle made a tour to all the grand houses of the area - funnily enough in the book they visited Chatsworth House - and her aunt was born and grew up in that area and even knew Darcy's father, so she was very interested in the tour.
Actually they thought Keira was too pretty for the role and then once the director saw her in person he changed his mind. Which is wild cause Kiera is literally stunning.
This is my mom's favorite movie so I was forced to watch it a countless number of times growing up and now I really enjoy it. As someone who really likes music, one of my favorite elements in the film are the motifs constantly returning while changing and subtle ways to fit the mood of the scene
Oak, it's called Pride and Prejudice. It was a class thing back then. Women were worth nothing, they were not heard, only seen. They could only hope for a good marriage that would not leave them pauper. Darcy saw Elizabeth more animated, vocal, and educated than the women he might ever have encountered. That was enough to break through his pride.
This reaction makes me so happy (even though I'm a 1995 version-purist), cause it's very seldom I've find grownup men watching and discussing Pride&Prejudice. And what I remember, most of the comedic lines are almost 100% by the book. Thank you so much for this!
No one is going to see this comment, but I absolutely loved watching this video. I've read Pride & Prejudice and watched different adaptations countless times, but this was even more delightful than I could've predicted. It was pretty gratifying to watch you guys laugh at all the funniest parts, and I'm impressed how well you understood everything. Jane Austen is a lot to keep up with. Even though I love the story, I also love that The Oak was thinking critically about what he was seeing, and voiced his perspective. So great! 👏👏👏
Bingley asked to see “Miss Bennett”, and you asked “which one?”. “Miss Second-name” is always the eldest unmarried daughter, so “Miss Bennett” can only be Jane. The younger daughters are “Miss Elizabeth Bennett”, “Miss Kitty Bennett”, etc
The proposal scene between Mr. Bigley and Jane Bennett was highly emotional to play for both actors. Rosamund Pike and Simon Woods had been together for 2 years until Simon came out as gay.
38:24 Technically, Lizzie is not of inferior birth. Darcy and she are on the same class (he's a gentleman, she's a gentleman's daughter). The difference is he's far richer, but more importantly, is more socially connected, which is important.
I'm actually really surprised that Oak didn't like it... He's usually so good at picking up the subtleties and nuances of movies. It's not the typical rom-com of modern day movies, but it is what every woman wants - a man who recognizes he made a mistake and misjudged and takes steps to fix it (and Lizzie does the same. It's not a one-way street here. They come together because they both make changes and realize they were wrong). If you want a more comprehensive look into this story, without having to read the book, I would recommend watching The Lizzie Bennet Diaries, which is a modern retelling via video diaries. It includes way more interactions and still tells the same story in a fun, updated way. I am glad you caught the humor, though! So many reactors just breeze right past and don't even seem to notice that it's supposed to be funny and that Lizzie is so freaking smart.
Darcy's house IRL is called Chaysworth. It has the sculpture garden. In the gift shop is the sculpture of Darcy from this movie with a little sign saying "please do not kiss"!
29:15 I’ve visited the estate that was used for this movie. There is a small lake up on top of a nearby hill and they ran a pipe down the hill to the fountain. They actually ended up having to limit the flow because the natural water pressure from the elevation difference caused it to go over 100 ft high.
I was looking for a fountain comment! I haven’t been to that estate, but I’ve been to Peterhof near St. Petersburg, Russia. More than 100 amazing fountains with no pumps! They run because of varying heights and water pressure.
I loved your guy's reaction!!! I love that you can give any movie a fair chance. To address Oak's concerns, marrying for love is still a relatively new concept that wasn't the goal until well into the 1900s so this story really needs to be located within the time period.
I got so immediately excited when I saw y’all were reacting to this 😂 it’s my favorite romantic movie and OG enemies to lovers relationship! Ain’t nobody touching Elizabeth and Mr. Darcy ❤ I love this adaptation the most in particular because of how beautifully filmed it is and the stunning score.
Love this movie and the book. I obviously don’t agree with Oak, but I understood his perspective. I do think culture and time have a lot to do with Oak’s issues, but I think the beautiful thing about their relationship was that they fell in love with the other person because of their character. They both were going against the cultural norms. They definitely spend more time together in the book, but I feel as if the movie captured enough of it to justify their attraction for one another. The humor was definitely intended, Jane Austin is known for her wit.
I thought Liz seemed pretty modern actually. She constantly gave her thoughts and opinions and she was pretty certain that she valued them and that they were her own. Pretty bold for the time, I would think.
@@ct6852 - I totally agree. I would say Liz was definitely going against the grain, bucking the system that was in place at the time. She was quite progressive.
Your comments about the fountains- Idk how they functioned fountains back then but they were a great show of wealth- the Palace of Versailles also had fountains and it took a lot of money just to run them. But they only run them when it’s exceptionally good weather.
So in the book Elizabeth and Darcy spent a lot more time together, even before the first proposal. She stayed at Bingley house for a few days when Jane was sick, there was many more balls and parties they were at together and when Elizabeth was staying with Charlotte and Mr Collins Mr Darcy would regularly "accidentally" bump into her on walks and then insist on walking with her back to the house as a way to spend time with her. So while they didn't "date" because courtship wasn't like that back then, they did spend quite a lot more time interacting and in each other's company than it shows in the movie.
The novel is a great classic. Jane Austen was witty and she wrote about the society she knew but in a satirical way. I would love to see you react to more Jane Austen, and look at it as a commentary about the Regency era.
To the question regarding the hand shots: Back in the regency era men and women were generally wearing gloves when out in public or at balls. It was considered very personal and intimate to touch hands skin-on-skin with the opposite sex - and could be seen as very inappropriate between non-married couples. The 'hand shot' where Darcy helps Lizzie into the carriage, is the first time they touch without wearing gloves. Hence the hand-flex because of the 'spaarrrkss'. Hope this helps!
What I love is the director had the actors/actresses who played the Bennett family live in the Bennett cottage for the duration of filming of the movie. This helped make the movie look more natural since the actors were intimately familiar with the home.
From what I remember from my literature history class at uni this book wasn’t written to be a love story. First and foremost it’s a critical take on 18th century society (class and money). Secondly the romantic parts are intended to be more of a character study or like a psychological/ sociological experiment if you will (rather than a romance). Sure it’s got romance in it but that doesn’t make it a love story or a romance book as a whole. And oak, they do spend time walking together in the book 😂
If you guys have daughters they will be reading the book in their teens. Jane Austen wrote about the restrictions on women of her time - and Lizzy (Kiera) was the firebrand type of that time. Teens love this romance! ❤
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It is a pretty good streamlined adaptation of the book. It gets the core right. Unfortunately you did react to the shitty version with the shitty last scene added on for American audiences. Everywhere else it ends where it should, with the father asking for more suitors, then fade to black. Perfect.
The book provides 6 hours of material but the film is only 2 hours long. The film touches on the main plot points but so much has been cut out. The film is well done but it’s also rushed.
There were more back and forths of parties. And I haven't read the book in a long time, but Darcy had more lines especially near the end of the book. But it was mostly accurate.
Given the time frame, this is pretty romantic. There was more development in the book of course, but what is modern dating now didn't exist back then. Young ladies weren't allowed to be alone with their suitors for long periods of time. The book does a better job at immersing the readers into the world, and explaining why marriage is so important, especially to the livelihoods of women. Mr. Darcy valued Lizzie as a whole, rather than marrying her for her beauty and ability to give him children. I think the movie is a great adaptation that respected the story.
You were right about Mary, Lizzies sister. She liked Mr. Collins, as director told in documentary about the movie (although it's not like that in the book). But he was too dumb to notice that)
Fountains were powered by reservoirs higher than the fountain, aquaducts, and water wheels in rivers usually to pump water into the reservoirs. The fountains at Versailles from right before the French Revolution needed 14 paddle wheels and 250 pumps.
Completely off topic from the movie (I’ve never actually seen it and just enjoy y’all’s reactions on busy work days) I absolutely love just the dynamic of the group. Sometimes you see reactors that tend to stick close to eachothers views on things but what I enjoy the most is you guys have you differences, are comfortable to share em, AND can joke with one another about without real offense taken. Just good vibes all around, thanks for making the day pass by with laughs and fun.
I so, so, so enjoyed watching you be so game and genuinely engage with this film. Jane Austen was an incredibly witty writer; this movie version actually feels more serious than the book, IMO. Thank you for being so respectful and sincere in your viewing. 😊
The hand thing. Back then, unmarried people weren’t allowed to touch one another except when dancing so for Mr. Darcy to help Lizzy up in the carriage was a huge thing.
It was also an improvisation by the actor- just his natural reaction at having held hands with her, which made it more powerful in the film.
And they were both un-gloved/bare handed, weren't they? A big no-no.
Darcy flexing his hand after help Elizabeth onto the coach showed the affect touching her had on him. Instant chemistry.
This is widely known as the first and best romance novel and very funny too.
Look again, and you'll see that all the other girls were wearing gloves. Darcy didn't expect to touch Elizabeth's bare hand!
Whyd he seem grossed out by it... like hes shaking off her germs lmao
Mr. Darcy took the rejection of Lizzy as a champ. He realized his mistakes, improved himself and then went back for a second chance. You cannot hate him, I was never a fan of romantic stories but this one is a totally different level of romance. I hoped, you'll react to this
He's honestly a baller
He's a man fully written by a woman, you could say 🤷🏻♀️
@ginaverso probably why the film only considers the social side of his life instead of exploring him as a man, which was a smart decision by the writer. His growth as a character is superb, though we know that there is a lot we don't know about him, even once the movie ends
Let's not forget she also had to improve her personality as well! She was very flawed as well not just him!
See, honestly, I disagree. He didn't change at all. The first time he proposed and she rejected him, she told him exactly what he needed to do to get in her good graces. He simply listened and did those things to get what he wanted- her.
Never knew how much I needed buff, grown men to watch Pride and Prejudice! Legendary stuff
and laughing their hearts out too!
I saw this in the cinema and to my absolute astonishment, about half of the (admittedly rather small) audience were men, as in groupls of men, not just guys accompanying their dates. My astonishment was even greater when afterwards, while leaving the cinema, some of them debated how closely the movie followed the book
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@@coffeepie Austen used to be quite popular with men before society decided to shame men liking certain things.
Darcy getting Wickham to marry Lydia is a good thing because had they not married, it would have gotten around that she'd run off with a man for days and then come back unwed. Her reputation would have been completely ruined (leaving her basically no chance of getting married) and also the entire family's reputation would have also suffered along with hers (leaving her sisters with lessened chances of getting married). Darcy spending a lot of his own money to strongarm Wickham into marrying Lydia was a HUGE favor on Darcy's part, which is why Lizzie is so touched by it.
Yes, people tend to miss the implications of not wedding off their daughters - especially when there are 5 of them !They could not afford to support them all and women could not live alone or work. The family would have fallen into poverty. Marriage was the only way women could ensure the tiniest bit of security in life back then
@tonyabrookes9931 yes it was the most honorable career for a woman to marry and run the house back then
@@tonyabrookes9931well women of that social class anyway. Probably the only respectable alternative to starving would have been to become a servant if they could find work they were qualified for.
27:29 She's laughing at the irony of having passed this up, but (in the book especially) it's also what the property reveals about Darcy's character. He likes art, he's into sustainable agriculture, the servants and the villagers like him...Elizabeth begins to think maybe she has been harping on HIS bad qualities and maybe not on her own tendency to be judgy and hold grudges (like he describes himself...)
A man’s property was seen as a sign of his character in the regency era. A well kept house, meant a man with morals
70 yr old Grandma here. This is by far, the best reaction by men, I’ve seen to this movie! This was based on Jane Austin’s most popular novel. Millions of teenage girls around the world read it, and we all wished for our own personal Mr. Darcy.
So true. I’m almost 50 and wish for a Mr. Darcy.😂😂
The Oak, I think the reasons you didn't like the romance are vaslid if you are looking at it with 21st century eyes. During the regency, things were much different. Men and women were not allowed to be alone together so dances and the like were key times to talk to people you liked. They did not "date." Also, it might interest you to know, most people think of Jane Austen as "historical romances" because it is far history for us, but actually they are comtemporary romances because she was writing about the times in which she lived. She does actually poke mild fun at some of the social conventions she found ridicuolus even as she was living with them. Marriage based on love is actually a very modern idea. A wife's main job was to produce heirs. A mother's main job was to marry off her children. The fact that Lizzie turned down Mr. Collins would have been quite the gossip. The fact that Mr. Bennett wanted his daughters to marry for love would have been quite the wild notion. I'm sorry for rambling, I could go on and on because it is one of my favorite subjects and one of my top 5 favorite authors.
@elle Mine too! I could talk about Jane Austen trivia ad nauseum!! Lol
I’m surprised that you didn’t catch that Lidia’s character was played by the actress that played Joanna Mayson in Hunger Games! She’s an amazing actress that transforms with any role!
Normally I always agree with Oak, but I think in this case he’s kind of missing the context… ofc in the book they have a lot more interactions that prove they know each other, but as he said I think his problems were more about the age than the actual story… in the book, their acquaintance and the events of the movie actually last more than a year before they reach the last proposal. They stay at the same house for a month and see each other every day, they meet each other again and have a lot more interactions than the movie could fit etc… the reason that a lot of people love this story is because the characters do know each other and, even though at first they bring light to each other’s flaws, then they understand that the other person is right and try to change themselves, not to win each other, but to become better and actually deserve each other. And Darcy is a dream man for so many women because he respects Elizabeth’s wishes and tries to be a better man for her, not to convince her but for her to be happy, whether she’s gonna be with him or not. There’s no “ask her until she says yes” which is a terrible romantic trope cause it totally disregards women’s wishes. And that’s one of the things that are so progressive for the novel at its time: that a woman (especially one of inferior birth and fortune etc) is entitled of her opinion and that a man (one with great fortune and status etc) respects it and acts accordingly. I would dare say that is even progressive for now, because the “ask her until she says yes” trope is still being used excessively in romcoms and tbh is kind of anti feminist and it translates this way many times… imo it’s one of the things that make romcoms unrealistic, because irl if someone keeps asking after you’ve said no, it’s annoying and dangerous (and a red flag as my friend Oak would say), certainly not romantic.
Wow sorry for the rant, apparently this was a trigger for me 😂 I hope it helps you guys understand the appeal that Jane Austin has for a lot of people (mostly women ofc, but for good reason)
Exactly this.
Do you think that Mr Bennet wanting the girls to marry for love is something of a lesson he learned himself? Like either he really does love Mrs Bennet and married her despite her obvious impropriety or he doesn’t really love her and wants his girls to not make the mistake he did?
@Marcus The "historical people were ruthless, unfeeling robots" perception in pop history is really annoying. For some reason people seem to think basic empathy and desire were invented at the turn of the 20th century. I've had someone try to tell me 13th century parents didn't love their children... like, at all. They just didn't see them as human beings. Yeah, culture certainly does change with the times, but people were still people. Humans 6,000 years ago lived the same experiences we do today. We're really not that different in the ways that matter.
Lizzie: "You should practice talking to people."
Darcy: * calls on her to practice *
Lizzie: * surprised pikachu *
Finding her alone would have been a big deal. They’re not really supposed to be alone together.
😂😂😂😂😂
He wasn’t practicing at talking to people…..he WENT THERE TO DECLARE HIS INTENTIONS, Christ maybe read a book once every decade? You’d know that if you’d read the book or knew a little about social mores and habits at that time. Besides that why you ASSUMED he was there to practice….when at the time in 1815ish men didn’t just SHOW UP to visit a female that wasn’t related him AND SHE WAS ALONE.
That’s why knowing even a TINY BIT about social history helps in a huge way. 🙄🤡
@@IslesYankeeLadythank you EXACTLY….it was more than that tho.
@6Haunted-Days what to you expect to gain by trying to be a keyboard warrior here? A very poor attempt trying to throw out insults is a very weak move. If you know so much, why don't you actually try to educate in a respectful way? We would actually respect your opinion then.
Honestly the fact that three guys could get into the narrative so much says a lot about the strength of the writing and story. The Oak even says his issues are with the time period's perception of romance, which is not actually a reflection on the story in any way. And I think that's really cool.
Oh god this reaction was unexpectedly fantastic!!! Going in, I didn’t think I’d have this much fun rewatching this movie with you guys… but now I can honestly say that this one is my favorite reaction video to this film! You guys are just really amazing and continue to surprise me. Thank you so much for brightening my day 🎉
Glad you enjoyed it! And thanks for watching with us.
"You have bewitched me, body and soul, and I love, I love, I love you" THIS LINE.
Watching 3 grown men watch pride and prejudice is sth I didn’t know I needed 😂
What's funny about watching middle age men react is that they always point out some sort of detail that relates back to carpentry. Like "look at the size of that tree" "oh that's some old world lumber right there." LOL It's happened on more that one occasion, and I laugh every time because literally no one else notices that stuff. Great reaction!
🤣🤣🤣🤣 just our weird appreciations 🤣🤣🤘🤘🤘
All the attention & comments on the things like nature & architecture reminded me very much of Luke & Jackson in Gilmore Girls at Rory’s high school graduation where they’re noticing like the gargoyles on the school & such lol. Not that these things shouldn’t be noticed or appreciated (the scenery & cinematography are STUNNING), but I feel like most the ladies watching are just swooning 🥰 & rightly so lol. But this movie is one of few movies I consider perfect in every single way ❤️ & I loooved watching y’all react to it & understanding & appreciating all the dialogue & humor 😊
@@BaddMedicine i had to google how did fountains work before electricity. Had never thought about it! And i've seen this movie a thousand times!
@@hdzmiriam Thanks for reminding me to do this! I got so lost in the comments section that I'd forgotten about that gem of a remark 🤣
@@hdzmiriamme too !!! And my favorite comment so far !
I read somewhere that Jane Austen wrote about ladies who "went fishing in a bad pond, but still came out with a good catch." The Bennet girls were in an awkward position, they were of a class that allowed them even fewer choices than women who were either richer or poorer than they. This meant that trying to "marry well" was their only chance of having any sort of a decent life. And that was no joke. Marrying for love is nice, but when you aren't able to get a job to increase your income, and when your family and friends will only hang out with you if you are in an acceptable position, then catching a decent husband who has standing and money is a life and death endeavor. It was hard to make themselves attractive enough to eligible men, and there weren't many such men around. So, Elizabeth came out extremely well, not because she knew Darcy inside and out, but because she knew the most important things about him. He is generous, discrete, selfless, and has great strength of character. He respected her, and as far as any young couple is in love, so were they.
Also, Mr. Collins stood to inherit the place where the Bennets lived, because Mr. Bennet had no sons, and women couldn't inherit back then. That meant that if Mr. Bennet died, his wife and daughters would be at Mr. Collins mercy. In Austen's other most famous novel, Sense and Sensibility, this is exactly what happens to a widow and her daughters - they get turned out by the stepson who inherits everything.
Also, if Darcy hadn't forced Wickham to marry Lydia, he would've dumped her somewhere after he got sick of her, which could easily have been a death sentence since she might not have made it home. As it was, Lydia and Wickham's end is sort of a "you made your bed, now sleep in it" type of justice. He can't just leave the girl he seduced no matter how annoying she is, and she has to pay for her foolishness by putting up with him for the rest of her life.
*Mr. Darcy's iconic hand stretch*
"that was weird, it was like he was forced to do that" NOOOOO NO! It's the female gaze, it's the sexual tension mixed with the surging anxiety of a feeling developing, it's the tingle that shoots through the tip of his finger into his whole body, it's the indomitable human spirit trembling in front of the power of love!!!!!
I love this comment 😂
So spot on...
Yes! I think this this movie (also the Holiday) perfect examples of "the female gaze". Love it
Well put. Steamy stuff indeed 😂
Also the fact that he wasn't supposed to do that (and at the moment he didn't want to because he was resolved to forget Lizzie once and for all) but he couldn't help it
To make the whole situation with Lydia and Mr. Wickham clear and why Mr. Darcy saved the day: basically, the young and unmarried Lydia spent several days living alone with an unmarried, untitled man. Even if nothing happened, people would talk and assume Lydia, as well as the rest of the Bennett daughters, have loose morals and would absolutely destroy the reputation and the marriage prospects of the entire family. The only way to avoid this fallout would be if Mr. Wickham married Lydia, and he would only do that if Lydia's dowry was paid, which the Bennett's cannot afford. Lydia was basically being held hostage, but she was too naive and blinded by the romanticism of being swept off her feet by a "man in uniform" to see it. Darcy paying the dowry and being a witness at the wedding was him putting the pressure on Mr. Wickham to keep his word.
Also Mr. Darcy doing the hand flex thing wasn't him being uncomfortable so to speak, it was a big no-no to touch a woman's bare hand during this time so that was him going "omg I got to touch her hand 🤯" like a dork lol
Yep. Eloping (running away to get married) wasn't actually unusual for the time period. They were basically the equivalent of a shotgun wedding, and while sort of scandals in their own right, were not seen as bad as not getting married at all. Don't forget Darcy feels a little ashamed for not warning people of Wickham as well.
Yes!!! This is what I came to the comments to say but you said it for me! It's also been a few years since I last read the novel (I've read it a few times) and I believe Mr. Wickham had no intention of marrying Lydia. Lydia was going to ruin the whole family.
@@TheCrayonMasterYou do remember correctly! Wickham once again had gambling debts and wanted to skip town. Lydia was into him and wanted to marry him, but she had no money so Wickham wasn’t planning on marrying her. He just thought the company might be okay and kind of allowed her to tag along, because what would he care if her and her whole family’s reputation gets shattered? That’s none of his business-so Darcy makes it his business because he loves Elizabeth and wants to force Wickham to do the honorable thing for once.
@@TheCrayonMaster It's a little unfair to put the blame on Lydia, she was 15 remember? Mr. Wickham was the one who was ruining them all and she was not even his first victim. That's something I don't like about this story. I know this was the way back then but it always seems to me that Lydia is sort of seen like that bad girl that ruined her family while the man involved is not blamed the same way. He sort of kidnapped her just to have fun with her since he never intented to marry her.
@@sawanna508 They don't really address it in this version of P&P, but in the book (and the 1995 miniseries, which follows the book VERY closely) Wickham is considered a scandal and a cad for running away with a 15 year old girl. While Mr. Bennett and his brother in law are looking for Lydia and Wickham in London, Mrs. Bennet's sister (who did not make it into this adaptation at all) shows up to share all the gossip she's found out about the debts Wickham ran up in the village, and that he "interfered" with some of the tradesmen's daughters. It's partly a comic scene, because she and Mrs. Bennett--who up to that point would NOT SHUT UP about how amazing and handsome and wonderful Wickham was--start agreeing that oh, they always knew there was something wrong with him, etc etc (and, of course, Mrs. Bennett reverses her opinion AGAIN when Lydia and he actually marry--then he's amazing, handsome, etc all over again). Further illustration of how incredibly silly and shallow Mrs. Bennett was.
This version of P&P has a much more sympathetic portrayal of Mrs. Bennett (and the Bennetts' marriage) than the book or most other adaptations. It's even implied that Mr. Bennett and she love one another--whereas in the book, Mrs. Bennett is pretty much a middle-aged Lydia: she's never gained any maturity or sense, and remains a silly and ridiculous woman. It's stated fairly clearly in the book that Mr. Bennett married her because she was extremely beautiful--and he THOUGHT he loved her--and then once they were married he realized she was utterly brainless and he was pretty sick of her before the first year of marriage was up. But since divorce wasn't a thing, they were stuck with each other. It's partly why he wants no part in forcing any of his daughters--especially the two oldest--into marriages they don't truly want. He doesn't want them to be as miserable as he is.
Y'all have some of the best reactions out there. I'll be honest, when I first started watching I thought Y'all were not going to take it serious. Thought Y'all would just be making fun of the plot and not pay attention. Wow, was I showing my prejudice!!! Cannot wait to react to more from Y'all.
When I first read the novel and watched the movies I use to get annoyed with Mrs. Bennet. However, when you realize that back then women really had nothing. Everything came from the father or husband. She wanted to marry her daughters off to ensure their future, so they would be taken care of and had some protection. It wasn't like today where a woman can make her own living and has rights.
The hauntingly beautiful sunrise scene was a spectacular piece of cinematography--and certainly one of the most romantic.
I just love the mixture of movies you react to.
Definitely
Dude these guys are some of the best reactors in the world. Very emotionally intelligent. If you met them on the street you'd think "Dumb dude-bros who make fun of people for having emotions". Not remotely the case. They're so open to new experiences and have no fear about expressing how they feel. Seriously my favorite TH-cam channel.
@@17thknight I could not say it better. It's so refreshing that they will really watch the content and honesty react. I'm watching all their vids
this was unexpected:) And I loved it
They are easily my favorite reactors.
I LOVED this. As a person who has read many of Austen’s books, and dearly love this particular version of the film, I never realised before how wonderful it would be to hear three loud and fun American guys who seem like they could be handpicked straight out of an American football team talk about Pride and Prejudice! It was _great_ seeing it through your eyes and I was laughing with you. Will be liking your videos and checking out more of your stuff.
The third guy had a valid point about people not getting to know each other before falling in love and getting married, but I would like to say that he’s right in his assessment that it is the time period he has a problem with, and not the movie. Marrying for love really wasn’t that common in the early 19:th century, and since people generally married much younger, didn’t divorce, weren’t allowed to flirt around or date and met far fewer people in their lives than we do today, falling in love would have likely happened much easier, and then you spent your marriage getting to know each other. It does annoy me when more modern movies do the same thing though, as many do, but in this context where it is actually quite realistic it doesn’t annoy me, though it’s a valid point.
Thanks for a great video!
I think they are Canadian.
@@RE-bg9dsThey are Canadian as fuck.
@@RE-bg9ds Nope, they're American! I think they're based in Wisconsin.:)
In the book they get to know each other quite a lot during her time in Rosings. They just didn’t have time to portray that in the movie
loved how much of a kick you guys were getting out of the dialogue! jane austen really wrote some zingers. this is my ultimate comfort movie; it’s just perfect! i think you guys would also love “sense and sensibility” from 1995 if you’re looking for another austen adaptation!
Excellent pick - that adaption is fantastic and has such a fantastic cast!
Yes, I've been hoping for so long that a group of reactors that I follow would watch Sense and Sensibility!
You can't go wrong with Alan Rickman as Col. Brandon.
I'd also suggest Emma from 2020!
Oh yes. I also recommended Sense & Sensibility. It is a masterpiece packed with a league actors 😍
Oh Oak. It IS a beautiful and inspiring love story for SO many reasons, and here are a few:
1. The idea of valuing LOVE to the point of a woman refusing a good match because she did not love and respect the man was REVOLUTIONARY. I mean, Lizzie saying NO to MR. DARCY was absolutely INSANE. Heck, her refusing MR. COLLINS was very out there as he had a lot to offer her financially, including keeping their house in the family.
2. Lizzie breaks a LOT of social norms and etiquettes, yet Mr. Darcy falls for a woman far beneath him in rank, wealth and social status because she is INTELLIGENT. He likes that she CHALLENGES him, that she is an EQUAL. He goes above and beyond to impress HER, to win HER, and to save her family by getting Wickham to marry Lydia and giving his blessing and encouragement for Bingley to marry Jane. He even works to impress Lizzie's uncle and aunt on her mother's side, who are "just" a merchant and his wife with no real ranks, titles etc.
3. Darcy and Lizzie started out on the wrong foot, and is a beautiful OG "enemies to loves" love story. Misunderstandings, miscommunication, wounded prides and prejudices had to b overcome and resolved for them to finally be together. And in the end they know each other far better than most at that time - values, character, interests, likes and dislikes... and only that makes it possible for Lizzie to fall for Darcy and accept his proposal.
I get that courtship was different then, but even so... what Austen was doing by challenging the idea of courtship and love in her own time, to me, makes it a story I can easily view as a beautiful love story even with my more modern POV. And I hope you may grow to appreciate that Oak, even if you will never love it as much as me.
Speaking of obsolete norms on love and relationships, I'm surprised no one has commented on the very first sentence of the book: "It is a truth universally acknowledged, that a single man in possession of a good fortune, must be in want of a wife." 😂 Perfectly shows how Austen questioned social norms and expectations way before her time - with humor, sarcasm and wit. Until this day, you simply cannot NOT be triggered by this "alleged truth", it is the perfect way to begin a book!
Perfect comment Louise. 👏
What I loved was how Mr Darcy's clothing went from bein completely in order and in fashion to more and more relaxed in style, even disheveled in appearance as time went on.
as a woman what makes this a great lovestory ( and as people have pointed out, a) courtship was like this back then and b) there was more of it in the book) is that at first he just says he's in love with her for pretty superficial reasons, he was intrigued because she gave him shit. But then when she refuses him and she tells him he's being an asshole by saying " Hey I love you despite your inferior birth and embarrassing family and also broke up your sister and my friend because of this) he doesn't lash out, he explains himself for the things she is wrong about (Wickham and his intentions behind breaking up Jane and Bingley) but he actually takes what she says seriously and changes. He betters himself, then goes out of his way to help her sister without claiming credit for it, and then after meeting her again a couple of times and noticing she is noticeably warmer to him, and after she refuses to promise his aunt never to marry him, he goes and says " Hey, they way you've behaved and what you told my aunt gave me hope- if that hope is wrong, I will never speak of it again. I love you-if you want to."
That's pretty refreshing to be honest, especially compared to modern rom-coms where the lesson seems to be "persistence is key". I also appreciate that they both have to overcome their negative traits here, a lot of the time in modern romcoms, one person is flawed and the other is a poor perfect martyr waiting for the other person to wake up and realize what they're missing
What does any of this have to do with being a woman? o_O
@@HelTra91 That she is one? 😂
I love what you said. I agree 100%
Finally! A group of guys who can keep up with the subtle and intricate workings of this time period! Granted, not everything was spot on, but it's forgivable for a once-through. But the part that made me the happiest was appreciating how funny this witful battle of conversations get. Thank you for actually watching the film
It's like a love story for two awkward introverts who never really wanted love, or thought they would find it. Just two headstrong loners who had to eventually give up their defenses when they got thunder struck against their will. It's like a love story for two protesters of love. Definitely a beautiful-looking film. Well acted. Joe Wright is a master of making complicated scene choreography flow. The sunset scene at the end is especially relaxing. Feels like getting high. Like putting aside the hamster wheel of the mind, letting go of pride and presumption and just surrendering to something good that you can't explain. 🌄💖😌
What a lovely take on this. 🥰
I'm sorry to disagree. Elizabeth Bennet wasn't an introvert. :)
@@gabsnegreiros2425 Yeah maybe not. But definitely very well read and thoughtful and careful in her language.
The last thing Lizzie was, was an introvert!
@@dajtoad1 Yeah not a complete introvert, but she did have some qualities of one. The book made her seem more that way. Or the author herself did.
This is probably the last movie I would ever expect Badd Medicine to react to, and your reaction was so wonderful it raised my spirits on a very bad day. Thanks, guys. You are the best.
The significance of Mr. Darcy’s hand is awesome. They constantly reference it in that he has much affection for her but for the large chunk of the film it’s obviously one-sided, showing his hand at his side. Finally at the climax when they profess their love she kisses his hand (im pretty sure the same hand that has been framed in previous scenes) and says “your hands are cold.” Love this movie
You guys wont believe this but i just screamed with happiness, two days ago i broke a toe on my foot and tomorrow i need to get a cast and this has just made me happy after all the pain. 💓
I also just shouted “yay” and may have just told my son I can’t wait til he takes a nap so I can watch this. One of my all time favorite movies and my go-to feel good movie.
🤣🤜🤛
Wishing you a speedy recovery
@@BaddMedicine Thank you guys! 💗
To answer The Oak, (sorry if this gets long) bear in mind this is from a novel and was condensed into a movie so the time passing is ofc harder to show. As for when and how they fall in love, that's the thing, they don't do it at the same, time, hence why the courting is strange. Because Darcy starts falling in love as soon as Lizzy started roasting him, and you can see how, in his own awkward way this shows like when he asks her to dance, but at the same time, as he said he struggled too due to how things worked by then until eventually his feelings win over that and he proposes. Problem is Lizzy is totally taken by surprise by this because after that terrible first impression from him she became prejudiced against him (Pride & Prejudice get it lol) so she was under the impression he hated her or at the very least wouldn't imagine he was courting her. You can see in the movie (and more so in the books) she sometimes assumes he's trying to humilliate her for example. Only after the letter, Lizzy can eventually clean the slate when it comes to him. It's when she's at his house that she starts falling in love, not because of the wealth but because he learns more about him now without the pride and prejudice interferring (this is better shown in the book tho). At the same time, Darcy now having learnt his lesson is trying to better himself, that's why he's improved his ways in general but you can especially see it with the interactions with her aunt and uncle, (and thus how they also have a better opinion of him than Lizzy's family for example). And THAT would be his courting, in a way because at this point the problem they have is that because Lizzy has rejected him neither wants to push it to far or dares hope. Darcy is technically doing this without any ulterior motives cause he's already been rejected and there's no guarantee Lizzy would change his mind (hence why it's not after Lady Catherine's outburst that he thinks he has a chance) which adds to the romanticism in fact. And Lizzy was worried she might never get another chance, because for all this "courting" being effective, unless he proposes again, it wouldn't matter if she changed her mind about him or not. Yes, dating as we know it today wouldn't have been possible back then. But still you can see very clearly it's their personalities and gestures that they fell in love with.
Glad you all enjoyed the film! As to Oak’s question, they can’t really ‘date’ in this time period. If a girl is alone with a guy without a chaperone, it is scandalous and her reputation is destroyed. That whole morning mist scene isn’t in the book, because they added that for modern audiences. You can only spend time with people at balls and with family around. And they did that. Marriage is also more of a business arrangement in this time, so dating isn’t a priority. Mr. Collins actually has realistic expectations when he comes to propose. Jane Austen, the author, is ahead of her time for believing marriage should be more than a business arrangement. Also, this movie has to rush through events from the book because the book has a lot more content. So Darcy and Elizabeth spent more time together (in the company of other people) and did know each other pretty well by the time they married. Elizabeth also fell in love with Darcy for the things he did to help others as she saw him let go of his pride. But yes, that was a good assessment when Oak said it’s more the time period and customs that he doesn’t like.
One more now that i have heard the commentary: people didnt "date" back then. But we know that Lizzie fell in love with him when she saw his personality reflected in his house, and his art collection, and the way his staff held him in such personal high regard.
Looooooove that you’re reacting to this, this is my comfort movie!! Fun fact, when Elizabeth walks into the parlor to visit Jane while Mr. Darcy and Ms. Bingly are seated, Elizabeth has her hair down, which is highly informal, and it gives poor Mr. Darcy the vapors! Regency Era etiquette was complex and quite strict, so for her to walk in in her basic dress and hair down, she might as well have been in her underwear. It’s rather scandalous😂
This version of the book is incredibly well done, for how much they had to cut out. For only being 2 hours long, they kept in the heart of the story.
I highly recommend you watch the 6 hour A&E version with Colin Firth and Jennifer Ehle, it dives even deeper into the text, and is just as funny. Jane Austin wrote so many wonderful novels, but this is truly her magnum opus, it’s just so good, there are so many layers of comedy and subtext, the wit is phenomenal. 💖
As per the issues around them not being able to court each other, the book spans a full year or two of time, and the movie leaves out the other times they actually met and had interactions. Indeed, back then, you really didn’t get to “fall in love” properly most of the time, to marry for love was a rarity, most people married almost as a business transaction. Like Charlotte says, “not everyone can afford to be romantic”. The women had 0 power over their lives, they couldn’t work, they couldn’t bring in money, so they were bound by their dowry, and how much money their prospective husbands made, either in trade(lower class) or land holdings(upper class like Darcy). For Elizabeth to turn down TWO proposals back to back was practically suicide. That’s why her mother was so upset that she refused Mr. Collins’ proposal, she would have inherited their family home and property, along with all the tenants, which was their source of income. She could have elevated her sisters, which would have given them more chances at lucrative marriages of their own. It was a nightmare back in the day to be a woman in this era. If you were poor, you were poor. If you didn’t marry, and didn’t have a sizable inheritance to keep you housed and fed, you were screwed.
Your family’s honor was also a massive factor in how mobile you were in your rank of society. For Lydia to run off and be with some soldier she wasn’t married to would have actually ruined both her family, and her sister’s chances to marry well. Nobody would associate with a family that had a daughter of ill repute. Literally. It would have cast them out of their social circle, and none of the sisters would have had a chance to marry anyone with money, or of good reputation, it was nuts.
The reason this is one of the most cherished love stories of all time, is that despite the insanity of the social norms around them, both Darcy and Elizabeth change so dramatically as people because of meeting each other. Yeah, they don’t get to Date, nobody did. But each starts out the story very solid in their ways, each is proud and prejudiced against the other for their own reasons. But through meeting, through learning about each other, and realizing they each were wrong in their own turn, they grow. They make visible, tangible changes to who they are as people, and they make each other better. You get more of this is the book, and the longer version of the show, so I can see upon first viewing why The Oak is struggling with his feelings. But, taken within the context of society at the time, this book was revolutionary. I’ve personally watched this film about 150 times, and I honestly feel it’s worth rewatching, and learning a bit about the culture at this time, it all makes much more sense. Sorry to drone on and on, but I truly love this story, and as a fan, I have to give some context for the glaring oddities that to us seem crazy, but back then, it was just how things were done. 💖
That is one of the things I love about this version. People complain that Elizabeth having her hair down, but even her just walking to the house would have been almost as scandalous as having her hair down. They made small adjustments to historical accuracy to make up some context lost in time.
Thanks, you explain the situation of women so well.👍 It is what they missed (and what I missed too the 1rst time I watched the movie) : if your father die without leaving you a proper annual income, you loose everything (your father, your home, most of your belongings) and you become quite a beggar, hoping someone (a brother, a cousin or a well-married sister) invites you to live in his/her home ! (like Jane and Cassandra Austen obliged to live with their brother, or like the Dashwood widow and daughters).
Best comment ever! Kudos to you.
Mr Darcy being played by the same actor as Tom Wambsgans from Succession just shows the acting range of this cast. He plays night and day characters
It was so interesting to see you guys’ reactions! To touch on what the oak said, the movie had to cram a lot of content in which is why the bbc tv show is preferred by a lot of people. With one thing happening after another in the movie it’s easy to lose track of the fact that the story actually takes place over a year and in the book Darcy and Elizabeth interact a lot more. The regency era was strict however and they wouldn’t have been allowed in the same room alone together, to call each other by their first name, write each other letters (Darcy’s letter to Elizabeth would have been a scandal if found out) or dance more than two times at one ball! So dates were hard to come by! I like to think after they were engaged they got know each other a little more probably on some (chaperoned) walks. 😂
The butler announcing all the Bennet ladies is how it was formally done when entering someones home. First names are only used on small children and at home between close family relations- kids parents aunts uncles. Husband/wives would use their honorifics Mr/Mrs at home so as not to show intimacy in front of servants.
When introducing a family to someone new like at the ball, in their case its 'Mr + Mrs bennet', then the eldest daughter in public is always addressed as 'Miss Bennet', and the remaining sisters are 'Miss first name'. When Jane marries, Elizabeth becomes the primary 'Miss bennet' and on down.
If it was sons, if the mother was widowed the oldest son is introduced "Mr/Lord/Sir last name" and the younger sons "Mr first name."
But for instance, Lydia Bennet in Brighton is 'Miss Bennet' there as the only one of her family in vicinity.
I love the fact that you all stopped to wonder how the fountain works. I have seen this movie a dozen time (it is my favorite romantic movie) and have never once even consider the mechanics of the fountain.
Late 1700s was a good guess. Joe Wright decided to place it around 1796, which was the year that Austen starting writing the novel. It was initially rejected for publication in 1797.
An interesting point I had not previously realised, Wikipedia tells us that: "The militia were mobilised after the French declaration of war on Britain in February 1793, and there was initially a lack of barracks for all the militia regiments, requiring the militia to set up huge camps in the countryside, which the novel refers to several times. The Brighton camp for which the militia regiment leaves in May after spending the winter in Meryton was opened in August 1793, and the barracks for all the regiments of the militia were completed by 1796, placing the events of the novel between 1793 and 1795."
Austen revised the novel significantly after *Sense and Sensibility* was published in 1811, and it was eventually published in 1813. Consequently a lot of adaptations are set around then, but since Joe Wright didn't like the fashions of the time, he went for a mid-late 1790s setting instead, which is actually more accurate anyway.
It was really interesting seeing your reactions to the movie, and I'm glad you enjoyed it. Do you plan to watch any other Austen adaptations, or any Bronte adaptations?
This was AMAZING!!! I love how passionately Answer was defending it being a love story against the oak!!
You guys are gems!! Thank you for the laughs :)
Jane Austen wrote Pride and Prejudice in 1813, but the story holds up to this day. She was an extremely witty writer - you might also enjoy the newest movie of Emma - yet through all the romantic plot and character development, her commentary on the economic plight of women of her time and her take-down of class differences were and remain very sharp. She was one of the greatest novelists. The best repartee in the movie came straight from the book, and a LOT was left out of course.
I'd say this film is like the Harry Potter movies as they relate to the books, whereas the 1995 miniseries is like the Lord of the Rings in its relationship to the book. The critique of "is this a love story, where is the courtship?" is totally fair wrt this movie - but not the book or the miniseries. I find this film makes some of the motivations of the characters hard to figure out because it's so short and there are definitely historical anachronisms to make it accessible to a popular audience - but it captures the overall story and the fun. I vastly prefer the BBC version of 1995 because it is so much more true to the book, especially in the characterization of Darcy and the subtle development of the love between Elizabeth and Darcy, but that's not to diss this film. If you want another angle on it I do suggest the 6 episode miniseries from 1995 or, even better, the book! (BTW there weren't "dates" in those days, AFAIK. A ball was like a date.)
YOU CAN DEFINITELY BREATHE IN A CORSET! CORSETS ARE AWESOME. A friend of mine, who is an opera singer, testified that she likes to sing with a corset because it corrects her posture while also give some sort of support for her body. The reason why many people in the past finding it a labor to breathe is because many things (fabrics, plates, etc) are dyed with toxic substances. Making them literally breathing poison!
Oak, good on you for standing on your principles. I am glad that you all caught on to the humor; some people have trouble enough just following the dialogue, let alone catching the sarcasm and wit. And yes, the book does the relationships better and doesn't feel so rushed.
Just to set you straight, Caroline Bingley was Charles Bingley's sister and not Mr. Darcy. Caroline is in love with Mr. Darcy and she dreams that she marries Darcy and then she also dreams that Charles, her brother marries Darcy's sister. Mr. Darcy has only one sister, which is the teenage girl Georgiana who played the piano.
It was Georgiana that Wickham tried to take advantage of the summer before the story begins. Wickham was an unremarkable brat who squandered money he didn't have and dreamed of marrying into wealth. That's what he intended with Georgiana the summer before Mr. Darcy managed to save his sister. The damage was done with Lydia so Mr. Darcy went about paying Wickham to marry Lydia. Darcy also paid off all of Wickham's debts and also paid for a new letter of employment as he had painted himself into a corner with the colonel he used to work with. But Mr. Darcy did all this to prevent the Bennet family from being disgraced, but if the family had been disgraced, no honorable man would have married those sisters. Mr. Darcy wanted to marry Elizabeth so he did everything he could to make it happen.
While I do enjoy this film, my preferred version is the one with Colin Firth because the script aligns more closely with the novel. Including a series of group walks in which people would pair off and get to speak directly to each other. Also they grab small moments for a private word in a public setting, as during a ball or in the parlor after dinner. And, the ultimate in privacy was written notes or letters. It was just the way it was done for the upper and middle classes back then. Life was short, options were limited, and girls were taught that their sole purpose in life was to get married and have children.
I agree
The Oak is turned off by the customs of the time. Lizzy/Darcy probably got to know each other better than most people would back then. Charlotte married Mr. Collins after a few hours' acquaintance. Jane and Bingley danced together 2 or 3 times (the max allowed per "proper" behavior rules) and talked while dining with others a time or two before he was persuaded to abandon her. He visited once and then proposed. Darcy and Lizzy danced and spent more time arguing (while Jane was sick) than either of those other 2 couples ever talked. And then he was at his aunt's house for weeks, seeing her at dinners at least 2x/week before she refused him and he wrote a letter and trusted her with his deepest secret/his sister's reputation. Then, they met when she was touring his house (he came home earlier than expected) and he went out of his way to welcome her. Introducing her to his sister was HUGE, per customs then. Then, he saved Lizzy's family's reputation AND confessed to Bingley that he'd hidden info about Jane (sending Bingley back to marry Jane). Darcy started out proud/rude/shy and took Lizzy's criticisms to heart and tried to be a better person.
While the author never married and romance wasn't her goal in writing the story (she was being satirical/funny)... this has probably become the template for almost every enemies to lovers rom-com since. I prefer the 1995 miniseries, but this film was beautifully shot and had some great performances.
Laughed a lot with your reactions. Good stuff! :)
It is a classic for a reason! Jane Austen was very clever and witty in all her writing, but P&P is her masterpiece. Great characters, tight plot line, and enough chemistry and misunderstanding to keep you on edge to the end…
Cinematography of this movie is also so beautiful and really vibrant
I don't think I've ever clicked on anything faster than this... Nothing in the world has tickled me more than 3 grown burly men watching Pride and Prejudice and loving it! 💕
MUST watch Sense & Sensability next! Another great Jane Austen classic story.
Emma Thompson and Alan Rickman were excellent in Sense and Sensibility. Emma - both the Gwyneth Paltrow version and the Anya Taylor-Joy version were good too.
Also, as far as the end statement of “when” did they fall in love, it’s described much better in the book, the times they see each other, they wouldn’t have been alone ever during the time period but it’s much more spread out, I recommend the book it’s so descriptive and delightful
Oh man, I've been eagerly waiting for this to drop ever since it was announced on the community tab! I always love the mix of movies you guys react to - y'all keep it fun ✨
Really enjoyed watching you all watch what must be my favourite movie. To answer a couple of your questions (if nobody has already), Pemberly is actually Chatsworth House in Derbyshire, the ancestral home of the Dukes of Devonshire. One of the Duchesses was an ancestor of Princess Diana. The fountain is totally gravity fed - amazing!
The hand thing: Darcy's words usually express contempt and disdain for the seemingly uncultured people around him but his hands reveal his true inner thoughts for Lizzy. When he touches her bare hand, he clenches and unclenches his hand as if he felt electricity (sparks). That's the only emotion he communicates in that moment while his face is expressionless. And when Lizzy gets caught snooping and they have their awkward conversation, they focus on his hand to show his longing for her. It's empty and lonely without her hand holding his.
I love that this story hints on the fact that being wealthy isn't/wasn't always so great because of the duties it came with. Darcy risked a lot by not marrying Lady Cathrine's daughter. The entire high society could have turned their backs on him, he could have lost a lot.
Fun fact in the book it's Caroline (bingleys sister) who goes on about dances being dumb and needing conversation. She did it because she liked darcy and knew he didn't like dances. She was the original pick me
Jane Austin describes more interactions between Lizzie and Darcy, but in Regency England, dancing with a suitor was really the only time you had to talk and get to know a potential suitor. Learning how to properly dance without actually touching was not only a fashionable trait, but a means of finding a spouse. A very different time period indeed.
Remember Waltz was a very scandalous dance when it was invented.
I realise that it's many months since you've done this reaction but I enjoyed it so thoroughly, I wanted to answer some of your queries:
Darcy's house "Pemberley" was filmed in Chatsworth House, the fountain is a gravity fed Emperor Fountain, powered by the pressure of water dropping 122m (400 ft) , through a 40cm (15.75 inch) iron pipe.
The statue gallery there is magnificent! The Veiled Vestal Virgin statue that Oak admired was commissioned in 1846, made by Rafaelle Monti in Naples.
The rules of courtship were set in stone, touching of hands was rare as ladies were always in gloves, this explains why dancing was so popular. Men & women were never alone, even sending letters to each other when not engaged is a scandalous break of protocol.
The ending scene was added later for American audiences. There was of course, no kiss in the original!
I just love how two grown man argue about the "right way" to court after watching a Jane Austen Movie. :-)
And I do not know why but I really love to watch Oak and seeing his hole soul absorbing movies. You can see all the feelings and depth behind this face. Really appreciate your willingness to show how you perceive things - that's a vulnerable state and takes courage and trust. Thank you for that. I have the feeling that you really are a great guy.
Gotta say: I don't ever really re-watch reactions, but I had to come back and watch this one again because it's just so fun and enjoyable.
I've read the book and watched the movies -- most of the versions that are out there. This adaptation was NOT one of my favorites but I watch it because you guys took the time to react to it. And I've always enjoyed your reactions. I agree with Oak for the most part in his review that this adaptation didn't show the moments when they fell in love with each other. The high points are there -- the rebuff at the dance, reading in the Netherfield drawing room, Rosings Park afternoons, etc. However, the beauty of Elizabeth & Darcy's story is that he might have thought himself "in love" until she refused to marry him. He had been "in love" with the novelty of her not caring about her wealth. But when she said no, he had to figure out if there was any truth to her words about his behavior -- had he misjudged her family, had he simply thought Jane was indifferent to his friend because she was introverted or reserved, even his (first) proposal to her was terrible and condescending. Because he had been surrounded by scheming ladies (like Caroline Bingley), he saw every available woman (excepting of his sister) as money grubbing schemers.
The BBC 1995 TV version, the one I prefer, is the one with Colin Firth and Jennifer Ehle. This version will get you all the interactions that you felt was missing between Mr. Darcy and Elizabeth. His interest was piqued when she wasn't really impressed with his wealth or seeking his approval. Dates back then consisted of being in a room with chaperones as they conversed or chaperones as they walked around the park or sitting around in their drawing room making small talk. Very little opportunities in that era for a couple to be alone. So many scenes that were not included but were dropped for the sake of the adaptation and run time.
(And this is the longest comment I have ever made on a reaction video. Cheers.)
I agree completely. This is a fine movie…but the 1995 series was much better and far more complete.
This is just such a beautiful movie. Everything makes me cry a little for every emotion.
Book reader and movie watcher, reporting for duty!
The movie is about as faithful as it can be. Obviously some things have to be omitted because of run time, so a lot of the interactions were kind of jammed together (this goes for Bingley and Jane too!) Having said that, Darcy and Elizabeth's relationship is a gradual build over, I think, a year ish to my recollection. They're together in the house when Jane is sick for like 2 weeks, Darcy is present at Rosings when Lizzie is visiting Charlotte and they visited for like 2 months (long travel times back in the day, guests often stayed multiple weeks/months.)
Anywho, as you all assumed, the relationship builds more in the novel. And while P&P really is a Regency Era true love story, I also see how looking at it through a modern lens can make it more problematic than its original pen date.
I personally take issue with the "you had to know, it was all for you" moment in Darcy's final confession. The argument that Darcy improves himself without intending to revisit his proposal to Lizzie rings very hollow to me since he blatantly admits to having ulterior motives in fixing the Wickham/Lydia fiasco. But, at the end of the day, Darcy is a good egg who (because he was rich) never had anyone tell him off like Lizzie did, which encouraged his development as an introverted man. They really do suit each other quite well.
About the whole "fixing the Lydia/Wickham thing" just for Lizzie I always thought that he did it so that she wouldn't be humiliated, as she would if Lydia's situation became known. By covering that, Darcy was somehow clearing her reputation and by extension, Lizzie's. Not because he expected to marry her at the time (of course he still wanted to but he knew that Elizabeth didn't reciprocate his feelings) but because he couldn't stand Lizzie being harmed in any way, not if he could help it (pun intended😂)
@@trynastayproductivefabulous pun 👏🏻👏🏻😉
How dare you sir Oak! Fitzwilliam Darcy is the absolute epitome of model husband. Read the book...it's my favorite book...it's hilarious. His touching her hand...swoon! That was a sexy no no back in the day...the verbal sparring multiple times through the book...I love that man - he is the archetype of the savior prince and I am here for it!
It's true that back then there was no concept of dating. Most mariages were somewhat arranged between friendly families or from the same situation. That said, that is precisely one of the points that Jane Austen tried to make back then AND still stand today because women's social situation haven't change that much really in centuries.
Also, something that the film can't show but the book does is that they became socially friendly. Darcy and Bingley would spent a lot of evenings at the Bennet's, to dine or just to hang out. When Janne is in London she gets to know Georgiana and hangs out with Bingley's sisters. When Lizzie goes to Charlote's place she and Darcy hang out a lot for days, walking and horse riding. And when Lizzie goes with her aunt and uncle to Derbishire also spend some days with the Darcy's. So they had met very well in the course of months or a year and had been witness of how much they had evolve and grow and how their prejudice had hurt their inicial concepts of each other... so in that way and the way few female authors wrote back then about societal expectations and the roles of men and women, Jane was a trailblazer because she didn't write about romantic love which usually she describes as leading to disaster, but about how women should chose their partners.
I’ve been to the house which they used as Darcy’s house in this, it’s just as stunning in real life. There are also still many “lived in” stately homes here in the UK that the public can visit. Great reaction. One of my all time favourite books.
Fun fact, it was the original owners of the house that we see here as being Pemberley , Chatsworth House ,that first introduce the idea of having visitors. They gave orders that when they were away ( and they were away often in their other houses) the housekeeper could and should show the house to visitors that asked to see it. They were filthy rich and art patrons and believed that everyone should be able to enjoy art and the beauty of the park.
To this day the Cavendish family are art patrons and each generation has added sculptures and paintings to the collection.
Another fun fact one of JFK's sisters married the eldest son of the 10th Duke of Cavendish , but he was killed in battle during WWII , later she also died in a plain crash and his younger brother who later became the Duke married one of the Mitford sisters.
So it became a trend at the time, visitors would pay a small fee to the Housekeeper for a guided tour and many people did this. In the book Elizabeth and her aunt and uncle made a tour to all the grand houses of the area - funnily enough in the book they visited Chatsworth House - and her aunt was born and grew up in that area and even knew Darcy's father, so she was very interested in the tour.
Actually they thought Keira was too pretty for the role and then once the director saw her in person he changed his mind. Which is wild cause Kiera is literally stunning.
This is my mom's favorite movie so I was forced to watch it a countless number of times growing up and now I really enjoy it. As someone who really likes music, one of my favorite elements in the film are the motifs constantly returning while changing and subtle ways to fit the mood of the scene
Darcy is such an introvert icon. I love seen people react to this movie
Oak, it's called Pride and Prejudice. It was a class thing back then. Women were worth nothing, they were not heard, only seen. They could only hope for a good marriage that would not leave them pauper.
Darcy saw Elizabeth more animated, vocal, and educated than the women he might ever have encountered. That was enough to break through his pride.
This is my all time favorite movie! Thank you for doing this. The soundtrack is amazing as well.
This reaction makes me so happy (even though I'm a 1995 version-purist), cause it's very seldom I've find grownup men watching and discussing Pride&Prejudice. And what I remember, most of the comedic lines are almost 100% by the book. Thank you so much for this!
No one is going to see this comment, but I absolutely loved watching this video. I've read Pride & Prejudice and watched different adaptations countless times, but this was even more delightful than I could've predicted. It was pretty gratifying to watch you guys laugh at all the funniest parts, and I'm impressed how well you understood everything. Jane Austen is a lot to keep up with.
Even though I love the story, I also love that The Oak was thinking critically about what he was seeing, and voiced his perspective. So great! 👏👏👏
Bingley asked to see “Miss Bennett”, and you asked “which one?”. “Miss Second-name” is always the eldest unmarried daughter, so “Miss Bennett” can only be Jane. The younger daughters are “Miss Elizabeth Bennett”, “Miss Kitty Bennett”, etc
The proposal scene between Mr. Bigley and Jane Bennett was highly emotional to play for both actors. Rosamund Pike and Simon Woods had been together for 2 years until Simon came out as gay.
38:24 Technically, Lizzie is not of inferior birth. Darcy and she are on the same class (he's a gentleman, she's a gentleman's daughter). The difference is he's far richer, but more importantly, is more socially connected, which is important.
I'm actually really surprised that Oak didn't like it... He's usually so good at picking up the subtleties and nuances of movies. It's not the typical rom-com of modern day movies, but it is what every woman wants - a man who recognizes he made a mistake and misjudged and takes steps to fix it (and Lizzie does the same. It's not a one-way street here. They come together because they both make changes and realize they were wrong). If you want a more comprehensive look into this story, without having to read the book, I would recommend watching The Lizzie Bennet Diaries, which is a modern retelling via video diaries. It includes way more interactions and still tells the same story in a fun, updated way. I am glad you caught the humor, though! So many reactors just breeze right past and don't even seem to notice that it's supposed to be funny and that Lizzie is so freaking smart.
Darcy's house IRL is called Chaysworth. It has the sculpture garden. In the gift shop is the sculpture of Darcy from this movie with a little sign saying "please do not kiss"!
29:15 I’ve visited the estate that was used for this movie. There is a small lake up on top of a nearby hill and they ran a pipe down the hill to the fountain. They actually ended up having to limit the flow because the natural water pressure from the elevation difference caused it to go over 100 ft high.
I was looking for a fountain comment! I haven’t been to that estate, but I’ve been to Peterhof near St. Petersburg, Russia. More than 100 amazing fountains with no pumps! They run because of varying heights and water pressure.
The camera work on this film is exceptionally beautiful
I loved your guy's reaction!!! I love that you can give any movie a fair chance. To address Oak's concerns, marrying for love is still a relatively new concept that wasn't the goal until well into the 1900s so this story really needs to be located within the time period.
Nothing more dad then the break you guys took to wonder how fountains worked back then 😂
I got so immediately excited when I saw y’all were reacting to this 😂 it’s my favorite romantic movie and OG enemies to lovers relationship! Ain’t nobody touching Elizabeth and Mr. Darcy ❤ I love this adaptation the most in particular because of how beautifully filmed it is and the stunning score.
Love this movie and the book. I obviously don’t agree with Oak, but I understood his perspective. I do think culture and time have a lot to do with Oak’s issues, but I think the beautiful thing about their relationship was that they fell in love with the other person because of their character. They both were going against the cultural norms. They definitely spend more time together in the book, but I feel as if the movie captured enough of it to justify their attraction for one another. The humor was definitely intended, Jane Austin is known for her wit.
I thought Liz seemed pretty modern actually. She constantly gave her thoughts and opinions and she was pretty certain that she valued them and that they were her own. Pretty bold for the time, I would think.
@@ct6852 - I totally agree. I would say Liz was definitely going against the grain, bucking the system that was in place at the time. She was quite progressive.
Your comments about the fountains- Idk how they functioned fountains back then but they were a great show of wealth- the Palace of Versailles also had fountains and it took a lot of money just to run them.
But they only run them when it’s exceptionally good weather.
So in the book Elizabeth and Darcy spent a lot more time together, even before the first proposal. She stayed at Bingley house for a few days when Jane was sick, there was many more balls and parties they were at together and when Elizabeth was staying with Charlotte and Mr Collins Mr Darcy would regularly "accidentally" bump into her on walks and then insist on walking with her back to the house as a way to spend time with her. So while they didn't "date" because courtship wasn't like that back then, they did spend quite a lot more time interacting and in each other's company than it shows in the movie.
The novel is a great classic. Jane Austen was witty and she wrote about the society she knew but in a satirical way.
I would love to see you react to more Jane Austen, and look at it as a commentary about the Regency era.
To the question regarding the hand shots: Back in the regency era men and women were generally wearing gloves when out in public or at balls. It was considered very personal and intimate to touch hands skin-on-skin with the opposite sex - and could be seen as very inappropriate between non-married couples. The 'hand shot' where Darcy helps Lizzie into the carriage, is the first time they touch without wearing gloves. Hence the hand-flex because of the 'spaarrrkss'. Hope this helps!
What I love is the director had the actors/actresses who played the Bennett family live in the Bennett cottage for the duration of filming of the movie. This helped make the movie look more natural since the actors were intimately familiar with the home.
From what I remember from my literature history class at uni this book wasn’t written to be a love story. First and foremost it’s a critical take on 18th century society (class and money). Secondly the romantic parts are intended to be more of a character study or like a psychological/ sociological experiment if you will (rather than a romance). Sure it’s got romance in it but that doesn’t make it a love story or a romance book as a whole.
And oak, they do spend time walking together in the book 😂
If you guys have daughters they will be reading the book in their teens. Jane Austen wrote about the restrictions on women of her time - and Lizzy (Kiera) was the firebrand type of that time. Teens love this romance! ❤
We are very curious, how close did this follow the book? What did we miss?
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It is a pretty good streamlined adaptation of the book. It gets the core right. Unfortunately you did react to the shitty version with the shitty last scene added on for American audiences. Everywhere else it ends where it should, with the father asking for more suitors, then fade to black. Perfect.
The book provides 6 hours of material but the film is only 2 hours long. The film touches on the main plot points but so much has been cut out. The film is well done but it’s also rushed.
There were more back and forths of parties. And I haven't read the book in a long time, but Darcy had more lines especially near the end of the book. But it was mostly accurate.
@@Dacre1000 I don't agree. From what I remember Mr Darcy did talk a bit at the end of the book with Elizabeth.
Given the time frame, this is pretty romantic. There was more development in the book of course, but what is modern dating now didn't exist back then. Young ladies weren't allowed to be alone with their suitors for long periods of time. The book does a better job at immersing the readers into the world, and explaining why marriage is so important, especially to the livelihoods of women. Mr. Darcy valued Lizzie as a whole, rather than marrying her for her beauty and ability to give him children. I think the movie is a great adaptation that respected the story.
Jane Austen's dialogue is always smart and biting and frequently hilarious!
The very best Austen movie is Sense and Sensibility with Kate Winslett. Several Oscar's!
You were right about Mary, Lizzies sister. She liked Mr. Collins, as director told in documentary about the movie (although it's not like that in the book). But he was too dumb to notice that)
Fountains were powered by reservoirs higher than the fountain, aquaducts, and water wheels in rivers usually to pump water into the reservoirs.
The fountains at Versailles from right before the French Revolution needed 14 paddle wheels and 250 pumps.
Completely off topic from the movie (I’ve never actually seen it and just enjoy y’all’s reactions on busy work days) I absolutely love just the dynamic of the group. Sometimes you see reactors that tend to stick close to eachothers views on things but what I enjoy the most is you guys have you differences, are comfortable to share em, AND can joke with one another about without real offense taken. Just good vibes all around, thanks for making the day pass by with laughs and fun.
If she had not accepted Mr. Darcy's request to dance, she wouldn't have been able to dance for the rest of the ball.
I so, so, so enjoyed watching you be so game and genuinely engage with this film. Jane Austen was an incredibly witty writer; this movie version actually feels more serious than the book, IMO. Thank you for being so respectful and sincere in your viewing. 😊