E10: The Future of Jobs, Governance, and Humanity | Emad Mostaque
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- In this episode of Leaders of AI, we sit down with Emad Mostaque. Emad is the Founder & CEO of Intelligent Internet and Founder and Former CEO of Stability AI.
Emad shares some chilling predictions about the future of work, revealing how AI will soon surpass human capabilities in nearly every field. He discusses the impending "end of jobs," the rise of AI-powered economies, and the urgent need for societal adaptation. Emad also offers crucial advice for navigating this AI-driven future, emphasizing the importance of embracing AI and developing new skills.
Emad’s Article: When Capital No Longer Needs Labor, How Does Labor Gain Capital
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Timestamps:
0:00 Introduction - Emad Mostaque
2:22 When Capital No Longer Needs Labor, How Does Labor Gain Capital
5:40 The Global Shift in Comparative Advantage
8:10 First Movers: Gaining an AI Edge
9:38 Decentralized AI and Governance
15:50 AI and Post-Scarcity Economics
20:16 What AI can (and can't) do today.
26:35 - Deployment Modalities
33:19 - Safety, Alignment, and Open Source Models
39:10 Can AI generate better data than humans?
46:00 - AI’s Potential to Retrain Human Minds
50:55 - Closing Thoughts and Outro
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00:06 - AI is advancing rapidly, outpacing human capabilities in various sectors.
02:25 - AI is disrupting traditional labor-capital relationships, leading to mass job disruption.
06:42 - AI can improve education access and economic opportunities in Africa.
08:42 - Decentralization and governance are crucial for the future of AI technology.
12:51 - Future infrastructure needs focused on governance and localized solutions for global challenges.
14:49 - Examining capitalism's alignment issues and the potential of AI for post-scarcity economics.
18:41 - AI capabilities and constraints are rapidly evolving with significant implications.
20:26 - Advancements in AI are enhancing personal assistant capabilities and decision-making.
23:39 - AI innovations will drive diverse forms of intelligence in society.
25:20 - AI-driven automation will transform job roles and communication dynamics in various sectors.
28:50 - AI will soon indistinguishably replace human roles in business interactions.
30:38 - Advancements in AI models lead to reduced costs and increased accessibility.
34:22 - Children's content consumption is driven by algorithms, leading to mass manipulation risks.
35:59 - Diversity in AI models is crucial for effective learning and application.
39:22 - AI models can achieve high performance with minimal data usage.
41:03 - Understanding AI's potential and optimization challenges is crucial for future developments.
44:27 - AI enhances human capabilities rather than replacing them.
46:05 - AI challenges traditional notions of copyright and intellectual property.
49:21 - AI adoption is in its early stages, with significant potential for first movers.
51:08 - Discussion on AI's role and future in shaping jobs and society.
Emad is one of a very few AI leaders that actually has a 'serve humanity' vision and the roadmap to implement it.
He doesn't give off psychopath vibes, which is always reassuring lol
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I cant fathom how his channel has only 4 thousand subscribers. Please never take your foot of this topic. the value of your opinions and that of the guests are priceless to me. I actually have hope for a free and fascinating future now. Great work guys.
Couldn’t agree more
It is a new channel and will blow up soon
That's because this is a relatively new channel just as the AI Acceleration.
it's the name
5.3K (16 hours after you posted)🤖🚀
Great to see Emad Mostaque on this channel >> he is the best guy in AI to be working with towards a truly positive vision of the future of AI intergration and human sovereignty... ❤🎉
This episode was scary good! Thank you all...
If you keep putting up content like this, you’ll have another subscriber that listens to every minute of every interview you have- great job 👏
Emad?! congrats you 2.. doing big things
This was a great interview! What a great guest as well, keep up the great work 👍
Emad, we desperately need your thinking in this world.
MPs, please implement this man's ideas.
Congratulations on getting Emad as a guest, he is legit.
Emad is such a well of knowledge you have to have him back! Great episode!
when he said "There will be no human programmers in 5 years" everybody was mocking him, now they are scared for their jobs lol
every time i hear him speak I learn something. no exception.
I'm sure he is very knowledgeable. But in demonstrating a complete misunderstanding of IQ at the outset of the interview, he makes it tough for me to take him seriously. AI may well raise the living standards of the world's low-brow masses but, unless it figures out how to alter their genomes, it won't actually raise their IQs.
@@mac195000 Gene editing and biotechnology WILL do exactly this. Neural interfaces will likely help too.
Great interview! Love Emad, feels like one of the only trustworthy AI thinkers out there besides you guys!
As soon as I saw this my ears started clapping with excitement lol I'll try to calm them down but wow what a great guest! He's one of my favorites to listen to
This is the go-to place for anyone wanting to stay ahead and up to date with a.i as it evolves. Thank you
The bit at the end with Emad describing how he can see color for the first time is, to me, further evidence that Arrival is the best scifi movie of the 21st century and the best one since 2001: A Space Odyssey. The whole premise of that movie is about how encountering and immersing yourself in other ways of thinking, such as learning new languages, rewires your mind to the point that new abilities begin to emerge.
Rewiring confirmed-this is no joke. Quite a peculiar sensation.
Emad, you are a deeply humane person.
THX.
I’m 65. I have a 75 year old friend who are stunned beyond belief. He wants to know what we can do with it. I say, “nothing.” And then we laugh our silly asses off. No one else our age understands this and say they don’t “believe it.” There’s the problem. AI isn’t a belief system.
Tell your friend to survive for another 5 yrs. He may just live past 200.
Tell him he might enter an AI robot nursing facility in 10 years he needs to interact with, so better get on how to prompt them ;)
I was a little intimidated when I first saw the length of this video. It was worth every minute.
Subscribed after 5 minutes in. No more explanation needed
Because there's very little framework for succeeding in AI at the moment, it's the most mentally draining time, but if you can get a basic knowledge of coding and use the no-code tools, there's so much potential. It is easy to become an AI Expert in a world where people still think AI is the terminator.
Great minds, great show. Love you all.
You are all great! What a grand, mind tickling interview! This channel should be at a million within 1-2 months.
Great interview. We live in an exciting time. I'm still contemplating his question: "What can I do with this technology?"
I am convinced that 'the alignment problem' is a true problem, but not even wrong in the way it is commonly (mis)understood. Meaning: humanity needs to align with evolution, and not AI with humanity's delusions, sometimes called values.
Yeah always funny hearing about it. No thanks, I don't want to align superintelligence with a species that still fights wars and kills each other for petty reasons.
@@Raulikien Being only a bit presumptious: Superinteligence will teach us that cooperation is a must, not a choice ;)>
Thanks for such an informative interview with a great guest!!
Woop woop. It’s the Real McCoy.
I watch Julia and Dave on their respective channels but the two of them talking to the heavy hitters together is just phenomenal!
Mead, thank you for existing ❤
fabulous ❤❤ simply stunning interview. thank you 🙏🏼 much appreciated
ailaborbrain AI fixes this. Future of Jobs and Governance
One of the best and dense informative interviews ive seen in a while in the space of generative ai. But then again the people sitting there are asking the right questions and sharing great insight for the masses. Huge fan of Emad and Dave. Much respect from Dubai.
There are a lot of things that humans do out of enjoyment or preference that they could have machines do today. Just because we can maximize automation and remove all human intervention doesn't mean we want to or will necessarily.
Good points for further discussion, debate, evaluation, run through the ASI systems, and devise engineered plans in simulations to find the ideal path to a wonderful world for our kids.
Emad is absolutely right!!!! Let’s build.
This is amazing! I want to get involved! I firmly believe that in 20 years, we'll look back at capitalism like early capitalist era ppl looked at feudalism (the good, the bad, the ugly and the quirky 😂 )
I think the influencer age will look like the hunger games to us, especially seeing how most of the world lives vs the small pockets of shameless wealth & boisterousness.
Emad is the Fucking GOAT!!!!!!!!!!!
Great interview, excellent questions. Thank you!
13:54
Germany did not shut down their nuclear plants because of climate in the first place. It was decided in 2011 after the Fukushima incident out of fear something like this could happen in Germany also
Correct. I’ve only recently learned enough about nuclear power to no longer be afraid of it. There are certainly challenges with some technologies and the industry needs to be regulated - for one thing, don’t build them in seismically active or other vulnerable areas - but it’s amazing how my views have changed just by understanding how nuclear power plants work.
while I am not interested in Emad's opinion on anything AI related
it is important that all walks and all views be assessed and the information discussed at length
good job by Julia n Dave
He rubs me the wrong way but I don’t have concrete reasons. What’s your take?
I agree AI will be great for education if we want it, but what's the point? What are we educating them to do?
Education doesn’t equal job training.
Thanks you are the best 3 to listen to on AI and its consequences. At the moment we lack the leaders to get us to something that benefits the mass of people … probably something that is akin to libertarian socialism instead we have a choice between crony capitalism or crony state ‘communism’. We need some new political leaders!
14:04 when when we got the Internet, we assumed free information and communication would help people be smarter/get to the truth.
Turns out people found echo chambers and found voices which confirms the things they thought were true and just made them believe more in their believes.
Also the algorithms helped them find easy answers to complicated problems, that always turn out not not to be true.
And porn... don't forget the porn
When I got access to the Internet (back in 1991 through my university), I was excited about the access to information and channels of communication it opened up for me. I still am. I am learning new things everyday from sources that wouldn’t have been open to me in the past. I can do this from the comfort of my home, which I can also work and study from, at only the cost of the technology that makes this possible.
I’m not looking for echo chambers. The Internet makes it possible to read and hear the opinions of others from different countries and social spheres. It has broadened, not narrowed, my world. Algorithms are only useful if you mindlessly follow their suggestions instead of picking through them and using search tools.
@@polishtheday I think for some people (or maybe all people some of the time) it's comfortable to find other people's opinions that agree with you and being challenged on your believes is ... euhh, as someone ones said it: having an open mind takes work.
Absolute banger video 👍👍
Emad said there will be deflation but I think he means in the sectors allowed to use AI. Basically it means software and remote work will be a much lower wage profession.
Love it!
Excellent.
I guarantee "every job" will not be replaced by A.I. or robotics by 2030. That won't be possible for another 15 years after that.
Yup. Complete bullshit clickbait.
AI capabilities are advancing exponentially. 2030 is likely a conservative estimate. AI will likely be able to replace all but perhaps not be allowed to…
Good Job. Great Interview!
embrace it, it is coming.
or
fight now
Yup
Good luck with the new channel, guys!
Who cares if you can build an app, write a book, create a song, if nobody wants to buy or use it. If everyone can do it instantly then the bar just goes higher for content.
As it is now it's more whoever has the audience already or manages to hit a high hanging fruit niche.
This was really informative, thank you
What I am finding is that we're still all a bit shaky on the total business process mapping when it comes to AI interacting with humans: who does what task, how is the information displayed, passed on and in what format and to whom etc etc...
Great guest.
Keep going guys. Thanks for sharing
Oh you got Emad on, what the hell? Cool!
If I'm looking to do a lot in AI, what can you guys help me with? I think I might be a good customer for you, but I want to understand your services better. If you make a video like that, I think you'd get more clients like me reaching out through the podcast.
Great interview - it will be interesting to see how it compares to the Diamandis original in terms of views and subs.
I was impressed that he did not take the opp to push his upcoming crypto.
As AGI is placed in society in the form of humanoid robots, wouldn't an AGI god model base that controls, say, an 'agent' in each robot that knows everything about plumbing. That plumber learns more with every job, and related that back to AGO god, who then evaluated that knowledge and can push it to all other 'plumber-bots', thereby teaching them all constantly.
I’d like to see AI figure out the mixture of pipes and patches from ten decades in my place. Most of the wiring is more recent, so the electrician robot might find it easier.
Nice interview! By the way, I'm from Argentina, and there's no such thing as that universal jobs program.. at least I've never heard about that. Cheers!
😮 if you're here just by being aware of this stuff you and we are the gods of the new age😮 we must vanquish evil wherever we find it😮
What is evil?
You realize Hitler didn't think of it as his "evil plan" for the Jews...right?
The uptake for any business is expansive subscription that subscription for this, then theres the user training and the upkeep of those systems. most large business I know working in IT are still using windows 7 because its to expensive to replace over a 1000 of them in one hit. AI is being over hyped and marketing to point as if there nothing left to sell as we have reached the upper limits of chip manufacturing.
Am I the assshole AI👏🏽.
The many possibilities and many ramifications, of this are dynamically, endless!!!
There's a spin on this, that's actually beautiful. If anybody knows where I can find the creator of the Ai named "Am I the assshole AI" please let me know in the comments?
Capitalism being the first AI is my thinking too. It's the paperclip problem but the objective function is 'maximise shareholder value' which we know all to well has unintended consequences. Any post capitalist AI has to be an improvement on that model.
Ehat was the tool emad mentions toward the end where you can make your own app?
17:50 Aita agent! Love that
Maybe AI can teach us to be more human! Imagine if our personal assistant AI acting in its Augmented Intelligence mode where the objective function is to increase human agency. We learn to interact with our PAI (Personal Augmented Intelligence) in an almost continuous dialogue mode - perhaps in a mix of conscious and unconscious way. Would this serve to enhance our Reflexive Self Consciousness? I believe that this might be the route to alignment, by which I mean, Self Alignment (not selfish alignment). My underlying tacit assumption is that ethical behaviour arises naturally from a self realised individual. Love to hear others’ thoughts on this.
great discussion. Especially like the discussion on alignment. Aligned to What ?
Also it is clear to me as well that the prompts or questions these people ask are a level above
Aligned to human survival.
Thank you
This conversation brings Snowpiercer to mind. Mind you, in the show, the train has truly limited resources, BUT what if this was not true, and yet the controllers of the "train" had all of the power to artificially create scarcity down train simply because they control the trains "engine"?
My opinion for the last 20 years has been you can’t align AI to specific goal but to align it to a process of research into ever better approximations of what humans mean as “good”.
Your opinion is FULL of wishful thinking and completely EMPTY of how to do it.
Think more.
@@markupton1417 I doubt you understood what I wrote, but it’s ok. Musk’s “truth seeking” objective, now that’s a dumb idea. Pray he doesn’t get to ASI first.
@@vethum I agree with you about Musk's truth seeking AI being a stupid idea.
But I fully understood your stupid wishful thinking too.
@ You sure? What’s your better idea, genius? Let’s hear it.
@vethum I don't have one. But that doesn't make every dumb argument valid.
AI will help people, like any tool, it will not "replace people".
Handheld video and VCRs, PCs, the internet, have ALL been driven into universal adoption by ONE thing: entertainment. Whether it be video games, video or (pr0n). I expect nothing different this time. Business will ALWAYS be the last one to adopt, except for programmers and CSRs sorry about my baaaaad luck as a programmer.
Good stuff. Subbed.
Good to see Shapiro still talking about AI.
I assumed the lower bound is based on the landau limit.
Energy scarcity (perceived) is the basis of social control. If energy cost goes to zero there is a loss of social control. For those in control to keep control they have to control (cost of unit of energy / per person).
To maintain control you have to artificially maintain high cost of energy (the numerator), or have to move the denominator (people) to zero to maintain the ratio.
Is it any wonder what we’re seeing around us in terms of cratering health, and (de) population. As he says, the Cofufu was five years ago).
Hey guys. I’ve been watching you guys for a while and I love the content… so inspiring. Do you have any tips for educators? I am a high school teacher in Canada and I often talk to my staff about the future of education and the application of AI, but I would love to be directed to some content to help me develop my ideas.
With open models and open weights, what will stop nefarious actors?
COVID didn't change anything, though. Society is literally back to the same behaviors.
Not everyone is. My volunteer work and most of my courses are now online. I don’t go to movies or eat out as much and take the train instead of flying, even if this restricts the number of places I can go (I’m in North America).
People around me seem more health conscious. Dress is more casual.
In my immediate neighbourhood, a lot of businesses, many run by those approaching retirement, closed during the pandemic. The new ones that replaced them aren’t as numerous and include ghost kitchens and hybrids that sell most of their products online. Restaurant and business hours are shorter because they still can’t find staff. Home delivery of everything from groceries to furniture is booming.
Concerning ai generating its own content, a similar thing must have happened to beethoven when he went deaf. His last piano sonatas sound as though they come from another realm. The blind poet Milton is another example.
No way this doesn’t go bad.
My Business, The Simplicity Lifestyle, has basically become an AI Personal and Professional Development Consulting and Affiliate Organization. 😎🤖
Not really, but as David Shapiro says cognition will be commoditised.
Bro said my wife's been trying to prompt me for 15 years 😂
What about hairdressers? I can see a world where an ai robot could possibly do the job but I’d rather chat to a human about football and have some banter.
Why don’t you timestamp your videos? Seems like a small, easy ask. And it’s not like you don’t have a tool to create it!
Dope
Appreciated! But, did anyone notice sorta old school framing around the video? Isn't it boring?
The technology is not good enough yet to build an open source global platform that can merge the knowledge and sentiment expressed in public conversations with billions of people around the world, to form a collective terrestrial intelligence, CTI.
I'm not sure that digital resurrection of someone is a healthy way to deal with their passing. People will be using it to combat grief instead of dealing with grief. Or maybe it will help with the grieving process. It's inevitable, but I just don't know.
lets not get ahead of ourselves. autonomous driving, medical research, increasing farming agriculture output, projecting weather and more are all still far from grip. the probability of solving has increased with open source but still in early days
Nope. Wrong take.
People felt EXACTLY the same about EVERY benchmark. Then, once AI blows past the benchmark people say it's not that impressive and it's unimportant.
by coordination problem he means greed or hoarder-nation problem. great cast though.
ok, but what about the mistery of inner soul of man? there is something that AI could never catch. IT is not intelligence, it is about our souls
We have lived in 6 Ages of economic output. each one is 10X-1000X wealthier
- Caveman
- Hunter / Gatherer
- Agrarian local
- Agrarian global (ships sailing the world)
- Industrial
- Decentralized & Exponential (the age we are entering with the internet, Ai, Bitcoin, Alt Energy, etc)
we cant even fathom how rich we'll be in a peer to peer economy where we all produce our own energy & food. where we mine asteroids with bots. where we have Ai teachers and Ai powered glasses to guide us.
Imagine a trillion robots doing chore, cleaning up, policing the world, flying cars, using ai powered ships and gliders.
So what are humans doing in this future?
For a CEO who immediately jumped ship when times got tough, he sure wails the title of "former ceo of stability AI" around a lot. I liked him but the man is just shooting predictions from his hips and not much else nowadays. Anybody can do that.
It's not all about AI . Humans will make human enhancing decisions about AI if they are aware...first... of their state of consciousness when they make AI enhancements. Are you coming from a place of kindness, love , contentment and inner peace when developing models for AI implementation?
He should be our president. Sadly, he’ll be ignored. But in the end, he’ll be right.
David: ...Am I correct in inferring that is a proxy for energy cost as well?
Emad: NOOOO!!
Me: Ah, someone else who answers him like that. Glad I'm not alone lmao
Capitalism definitely reflects the problems of misaligned AI, or other way round, the paperclip maximizer was inspired by capitalism.