I love hearing those old Johnny’s pulled down, under load. Their rhythmic chugging is a reminder of hours spent riding & dreaming, in my formative years!
Dad’s JD dealership had an M&W dyno back in the ‘60’s primarily used to put a load on rebuilt engines to help seat the rings. M&let back then was also known for selling parts for increasing power including Power Blocks and Turbo Kits.
When I heard you mention “M&W” I immediately recalled waaay back, that farmers when they would overhaul their tractors they would use M&W pistons and rings for “more power!” M&W had quite a good reputation for overhaul parts and tractor performance. Fun to watch the dyno and see Johnny X power up. What an amazing increase in PTO power. Let’s hope it holds together 😉. Blessings.
Seeing all of these antique tractors is always fun to see at the fair. My uncle just happened to sell his father's Allis-Chalmers (hand crank start) tractor to someone wanting to restore it. Have only seen it once, but it's a piece of history.
Grew up using A's and B's on our farm. I remember when we got a 44 Massey Harris. A tractor w power steering and a foot clutch. Thought I died and gone to heaven lol. Still love hearing those Johnny Poppers though.
I have a JD 50...pretty much a newer B. Grandpa gave it to me before he died. The independent wheels on the trike front end is a HUGE improvement. I don't use it much, but I do love it. They do have a great sound, and it is a pretty pleasant ride just tooling around. Every couple years I'll hook up a sickle mower and cut a couple acres. The newer tractors (and seats!) sure are appreciated after a few hours in the older iron!
@@jonathonschram3429 I wish my dad would have kept some, but to him it was just a tractor. Still have the old Massey but think it broke a rod. Just don't have a place to tear into it out of the weather. We also had an old Allis Chalmers crawler. Can't remember the model. Absolutely loved that little thing. Wanted to restore it it but came home one day and dad had sold it lol.
@@doclull1989 yeah, it's tough with some of the old iron. I kept the jd 50, Oliver Super 88, and a MF industrial (needed it for actual work around our farm). He had a bunch of Oliver's, but I just couldn't justify dragging them all out to my place. My brother kept the 55, which was my favorite of the bunch to be honest. Like you, I didn't have the time or space to keep up with them all. Now I'm finally getting around to building a bigger shop (140x72), I wish I would have held on to more of them! Most of our equipment now is orange and I just don't see my kid (6) ever being as excited over an mx5200. He loves the JD and our Ferguson to30 though! Just knowing what those old timers endured on is amazing though. Grandpa told me he put 11,000hrs on an Oliver Super 77 in something like 7 or 8 years. My back was hurting after tooling around in it in a few hours pulling hay rack rides at the county fair! I imagine the Super 88 would be even worse given the fact it could pull a bigger implement even faster through a field. Times sure have changed.
Excellent video Tim. Always love seeing Johny X in action. I sure hope to get a turbo kit someday for my Gen 2, 2025R. That Turbo sounds Oh Sooooo Gooooood !!!!!!! I think this demonstrates quite well why when given a choice, I tend to always recommend a turbo charged tractor if any sort of heavy PTO work is planned. I have seen this in real world mowing applications comparing the likes of a 3033R non turbo to a 3039R turbo and how the Turbo can really help power through thick heavy grass where the non turbo would always stall out.
Tim, wondered if you have heard of the Sunbelt Ag Expo that is located in Moultrie, Georgia? It might would be a good venue for Tractor Time with Tim. It is usually a 3 day event and draws around 70,000 visitors over the 3 days.
Great video! I wonder if you did a dyno comparison of older tractors vs equivalent HP new tractors with different HP ranges to see if older ones do create more HP over newer technology.
The old tractors bring back memories of backing up an articulated hay rack with a hand clutch Johnny popper. That was fun. I now have a 1025R and that is also quite gratifying and extremely useful for many jobs.
The equipment they used to test engine HP at the Nebraska trials/tests resembles more of a wagon that had a cab on it to house the operator and the equipment for the test. The way it worked was it applied break pressure on the wheels to give resistance to the tractor. The system had to work on a paved surface with a calculated resistance of friction. The HP like the dyno told the operator how many flb of pressure was applied to the brakes, along with the known weight of the trailer, the degree of coefficient of friction of the pavement then told me after calculations the estimated HP of the tractor. If you would think of it this way to simplify the system it was like a weight sled at a tractor pull. The difference being the hydraulic brakes provided the load rather than the counter weight on the sled. Of course a tractor pull is done on a dirt track, so the coefficient of friction is less based on the degree of compaction of the soil.
Curious as to what the PTO output per Cubic Inch displacement for the two tractors. Chances are, one cylinder of the older JD is as much cubic inch displacement as the Johnny X. Those pistons were as big as buckets!
That was cool Tim lot's of fun 😀 speaking of turbos have the turbo shop came up with a bolt on turbo kit yet I haven't heard anything. As always Tim great video. !!!!!!
I love these videos. Seeing 22 hp on the stock machine was neat, though I guess you'd be closer to the 18 hp spec if the tractor was pulling something like a tiller/bush hog across the ground?
The field across the road, from the house I grew up in, used to be farmed by a guy using John Deere 2 cylinders. This was up to around 1985. Don't remember the exact models, but thinking one was a 70 or 720 and the other a 60 or 620. Both were tricycle fronts. The larger one would be working ground, while the second was pulling the four row planter across the ground. There were times the putt, putts of the two tractors would sync up for a bit and really sound good. He later on moved up to a couple 4020 John Deeres.
Fun to watch. At the end you showed some John Deeres and Farmalls/IH but I can't believe you passed up showing some Olivers. Maybe next time. Thanks for sharing.
@@TractorTimewithTim Tim I enjoy seeing people do what they like. Tim you always have a good attitude. Tim are yanmar tractors close to JD utility tractors just different tin work so to speak. You have a wonderful and out of the box outreach. 👍
Great test for both the johnny's. Do you happen to know how much time went by on the Johnny X test? Or how long did it take the engine coolant to get into the red? I loved the musical background at the end while showing the other antique tractors.
Tractor Data shows a 24 pto hp for the A. They also list the Nebraska test for the A at 23.xx PTO HP. This test showed 39 ( I think?) It's quite a big difference. Was the Nebraska test low perhaps?
Tim here is an idea, it's just one of my many dumb ideas I come up with daily, I dont have any idea if it is a good idea. Have you thought about having a tractor school maybe on the weekends, may be a 1or 2 day class on how to operate a 1025r attachment's, maintenance and easy common repairs. It could be more hands on, where the people could operate a backhoe, plow and other implement's, and attachments. No charge for the idea, like your videos. Could be a money maker for you if you get like 10 students at once , but maybe they would be tearing up your machinery . Maybe have the school once a year or when ever you have the time and enough students.
@@TractorTimewithTim I would like to pay, around $100, but I am very cheap. Maybe figure what it would cost you, and how much money you would need to make, Then ask that, see if people would come, if you don't get at least 10 people, then don't do it. I think you are in Indiana some where, So There would probably have to be a hotel close by. Maybe John Deere would even sponsor you, in some way.
@@TractorTimewithTim how much do you think you'd have to charge to make it worth your while? I would spend $100-$300, above that, i'd have to think a little bit.
What is or was the idea with the narrow front wheels on tractors in the US? In US vintage shows (that I've only seen on TH-cam) the '3 wheeler' layout seems to be considerably more common than here in the UK. When was that common? Is it just an older style that predates the Fergies I've grown up with over here (as already vintage tractors on our farm that were/are still being used, small 'hobby' farm (now) that was a midsized farm when the Fergies were new that didn't grow 'with the times') so pre 50's, or was it just an engineering choice that better suited the US farmer's needs, where we needed more stability for farming more hilly terrain or something similar?
I would love to be able to put my L2501 on one of those dyno’s to see how much hp gains I achieved by adjusting the fuel screw on it. I’m guessing 3-5hp by the way it runs.
My 2038R and my 1948 A made the same horsepower on a dyno 38. I’ve pulled the same harrow with both and the A out pulls the 2038R. But I still love my 2038R it seems better for pto work
would have been real cool if you could have found a diesel 2 cyl to put on the dyno did a lot more looking around and i am dead set on getting a 1025 just as soon as the ordeal settles out on mom passing away
@@TractorTimewithTim she is in a far better plae no pain no sickness hate that she is gone but i know she is more haapy now and i will get to see her some time soon
Well now that you have an auto steer you can plant the whole yard with corn lmao. Might be able to get 100% yield out of that system and a new row seeder.
Hello all ! Well, I'm getting old (Scoop!) and my good old JD 310 is becoming less convenient to access... I'm considering buying an easier-to-access, hydrostatic model (I tasted it with my LT155 Lawn Tractor and I appreciate it!). But, I want to keep doing my hay in small bales with my Kuhn GMD 44 mower, my Someca 1320 baler with a bale consolidator. => If the 310 does not struggle with these materials, would a modern tractor, type JD 1025, 2025, Solis 26, Kioti 28 be capable of it? This video (th-cam.com/video/WqCNtndAJwc/w-d-xo.html) testifies to the fact that a 1025 is capable of driving a section mower (which does not require any power, in my opinion...) but what about of a 4-disc mower? => This other video suggests that a 22hp achieves this: th-cam.com/video/fO2vEkwL4qI/w-d-xo.html I found this video: th-cam.com/video/sPDhzcik4_0/w-d-xo.html which testifies to the fact that a JD 1025 would be able to take my baler... But, some of my land is on a slope (nothing very strong, but, well, the 310 weighs 2t, the 1025 weighs 700kg, with a ladle, while the press is given for 980 kg...). In addition, I share their questions about the resistance of the PTO clutch: I can clearly hear, on the 310, the stresses exerted by the press piston... The 1025 is sold for 24hp and 17hp at the PTO, while the 310 is given for 32hp (I looked for the power at the PTO of the 310 without finding anything...). So, I seek your advice, can a recent 25cv replace my aging 32cv? Should we aim for the same power on a recent tractor? Your opinions would be valuable to me! Thanks in advance...
I think you would be better off with a 3R for those tasks…especially coming from a 310. I usually recommend folks downsizing to stop at the 3R. You still get great maneuverability, but you get enough power to accomplish goals easily. 3039r or 3046r would be my recommendation. The videos you reference show the 1025r doing those tasks, but it is pushing the limits. Make sense?
@@TractorTimewithTim great video! I love watching your videos. If you are ever in the St.Mary’s Ohio area and want to shoot a video I have a Kioti CK3510se w/cab and a 1950 Oliver 77. We own 17 acres of land and most of its woods with a 5 acre felid with corn in it now.
I love hearing those old Johnny’s pulled down, under load. Their rhythmic chugging is a reminder of hours spent riding & dreaming, in my formative years!
Had a blast! Good old family fun. Great to meet up with you guys.
Love how you guys stay true to your roots! You set the example with your community involvement! Keep it up Tim and Christy!!🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Dad’s JD dealership had an M&W dyno back in the ‘60’s primarily used to put a load on rebuilt engines to help seat the rings. M&let back then was also known for selling parts for increasing power including Power Blocks and Turbo Kits.
When I heard you mention “M&W” I immediately recalled waaay back, that farmers when they would overhaul their tractors they would use M&W pistons and rings for “more power!” M&W had quite a good reputation for overhaul parts and tractor performance. Fun to watch the dyno and see Johnny X power up. What an amazing increase in PTO power. Let’s hope it holds together 😉. Blessings.
Seeing all of these antique tractors is always fun to see at the fair. My uncle just happened to sell his father's Allis-Chalmers (hand crank start) tractor to someone wanting to restore it. Have only seen it once, but it's a piece of history.
Looks like a great time for families, tractors and dyno testing!
Who doesn’t love old tractors?!
Thanks for sharing. 👍
There's no replacement for displacement but the turbo made a huge improvement over the stock 1025R
On my granddad's farm we had a John Deere B and two 520's, an M and H Farmall. Now those are antiques and so am I.
Grew up using A's and B's on our farm. I remember when we got a 44 Massey Harris. A tractor w power steering and a foot clutch. Thought I died and gone to heaven lol. Still love hearing those Johnny Poppers though.
I have a JD 50...pretty much a newer B. Grandpa gave it to me before he died. The independent wheels on the trike front end is a HUGE improvement. I don't use it much, but I do love it.
They do have a great sound, and it is a pretty pleasant ride just tooling around. Every couple years I'll hook up a sickle mower and cut a couple acres. The newer tractors (and seats!) sure are appreciated after a few hours in the older iron!
@@jonathonschram3429 I wish my dad would have kept some, but to him it was just a tractor. Still have the old Massey but think it broke a rod. Just don't have a place to tear into it out of the weather. We also had an old Allis Chalmers crawler. Can't remember the model. Absolutely loved that little thing. Wanted to restore it it but came home one day and dad had sold it lol.
@@doclull1989 yeah, it's tough with some of the old iron. I kept the jd 50, Oliver Super 88, and a MF industrial (needed it for actual work around our farm). He had a bunch of Oliver's, but I just couldn't justify dragging them all out to my place. My brother kept the 55, which was my favorite of the bunch to be honest. Like you, I didn't have the time or space to keep up with them all.
Now I'm finally getting around to building a bigger shop (140x72), I wish I would have held on to more of them! Most of our equipment now is orange and I just don't see my kid (6) ever being as excited over an mx5200. He loves the JD and our Ferguson to30 though!
Just knowing what those old timers endured on is amazing though. Grandpa told me he put 11,000hrs on an Oliver Super 77 in something like 7 or 8 years. My back was hurting after tooling around in it in a few hours pulling hay rack rides at the county fair! I imagine the Super 88 would be even worse given the fact it could pull a bigger implement even faster through a field. Times sure have changed.
Excellent video Tim.
Always love seeing Johny X in action.
I sure hope to get a turbo kit someday for my Gen 2, 2025R.
That Turbo sounds Oh Sooooo Gooooood !!!!!!!
I think this demonstrates quite well why when given a choice, I tend to always recommend a turbo charged tractor if any sort of heavy PTO work is planned.
I have seen this in real world mowing applications comparing the likes of a 3033R non turbo to a 3039R turbo and how the Turbo can really help power through thick heavy grass where the non turbo would always stall out.
Love the old Tractors. We had an old 1932 Ford tractor we plowed about 20 acres in the late 70s…man was that fun!
Tim, wondered if you have heard of the Sunbelt Ag Expo that is located in Moultrie, Georgia?
It might would be a good venue for Tractor Time with Tim. It is usually a 3 day event and draws around 70,000 visitors over the 3 days.
I think I finally understand how that dyno works...just as long as you don't ask me to explain it.
Great video! I wonder if you did a dyno comparison of older tractors vs equivalent HP new tractors with different HP ranges to see if older ones do create more HP over newer technology.
The old tractors bring back memories of backing up an articulated hay rack with a hand clutch Johnny popper. That was fun. I now have a 1025R and that is also quite gratifying and extremely useful for many jobs.
That was fun! I had a 430 once gas version not the Detroit
I have Classic tractor fever.
100 years of horsepower Belleville Illinois August 24th through 27th.
Fair season in late summer miss it .😀 ours is in January.
The equipment they used to test engine HP at the Nebraska trials/tests resembles more of a wagon that had a cab on it to house the operator and the equipment for the test. The way it worked was it applied break pressure on the wheels to give resistance to the tractor. The system had to work on a paved surface with a calculated resistance of friction. The HP like the dyno told the operator how many flb of pressure was applied to the brakes, along with the known weight of the trailer, the degree of coefficient of friction of the pavement then told me after calculations the estimated HP of the tractor. If you would think of it this way to simplify the system it was like a weight sled at a tractor pull. The difference being the hydraulic brakes provided the load rather than the counter weight on the sled. Of course a tractor pull is done on a dirt track, so the coefficient of friction is less based on the degree of compaction of the soil.
Curious as to what the PTO output per Cubic Inch displacement for the two tractors. Chances are, one cylinder of the older JD is as much cubic inch displacement as the Johnny X. Those pistons were as big as buckets!
That was cool Tim lot's of fun 😀 speaking of turbos have the turbo shop came up with a bolt on turbo kit yet I haven't heard anything. As always Tim great video. !!!!!!
Not yet. Working on it.
@@TractorTimewithTim ok cool thanks Tim.
I love these videos. Seeing 22 hp on the stock machine was neat, though I guess you'd be closer to the 18 hp spec if the tractor was pulling something like a tiller/bush hog across the ground?
The field across the road, from the house I grew up in, used to be farmed by a guy using John Deere 2 cylinders. This was up to around 1985. Don't remember the exact models, but thinking one was a 70 or 720 and the other a 60 or 620. Both were tricycle fronts. The larger one would be working ground, while the second was pulling the four row planter across the ground. There were times the putt, putts of the two tractors would sync up for a bit and really sound good. He later on moved up to a couple 4020 John Deeres.
Fun to watch. At the end you showed some John Deeres and Farmalls/IH but I can't believe you passed up showing some Olivers. Maybe next time. Thanks for sharing.
Exactly! Christy was on the camera. I am not happy about it! :-)
@@TractorTimewithTim Lol...that's funny.
I think my Granddad had that model of JD. Probably turned in his grave that the family has two Kubotas and only a JD garden tractor. 😆 lol
Tim torque is where it's at.
How do they measure torque?
Tim your still the man.👍
Torque is actually a function of hp and rpm.
@@TractorTimewithTim Tim I enjoy seeing people do what they like. Tim you always have a good attitude.
Tim are yanmar tractors close to JD utility tractors just different tin work so to speak.
You have a wonderful and out of the box outreach. 👍
@@brianuhing2657 thanks for the kind words!
No Yanmar and Deere are significantly different now.
LOL, that kid on the right at 11:36 walking into the shot. He wasn't sure about that.
Love the sound of the old two cylinder. We have our grandpas A I’m going to put a million miles on it. Lol
Great test for both the johnny's. Do you happen to know how much time went by on the Johnny X test? Or how long did it take the engine coolant to get into the red? I loved the musical background at the end while showing the other antique tractors.
Wasn’t much time…when pulling it down to 500 PTO or less. Come back next week for a more real world test.
Thanks or bringing us along
I had to go out and check was my A still in the yard probably a bit far to travel back to the states from Ireland though 🤣🤣
ALL Dynos Only measure Torque, through Pressure. HP is ALWAYS just a calculation. Very cool video!
Tractor Data shows a 24 pto hp for the A. They also list the Nebraska test for the A at 23.xx PTO HP.
This test showed 39 ( I think?)
It's quite a big difference. Was the Nebraska test low perhaps?
This one likely ‘enhanced’ in some way :-)
No 39 that's gas pto hp,
Thanks Tim/Kristy..
A nice to know video...... thanks again. .
Tim here is an idea, it's just one of my many dumb ideas I come up with daily, I dont have any idea if it is a good idea. Have you thought about having a tractor school maybe on the weekends, may be a 1or 2 day class on how to operate a 1025r attachment's, maintenance and easy common repairs. It could be more hands on, where the people could operate a backhoe, plow and other implement's, and attachments. No charge for the idea, like your videos. Could be a money maker for you if you get like 10 students at once , but maybe they would be tearing up your machinery . Maybe have the school once a year or when ever you have the time and enough students.
I think that's a great idea!
How much would you pay for a 1 day or 2 day training with 9 other folks?
@@TractorTimewithTim I would like to pay, around $100, but I am very cheap. Maybe figure what it would cost you, and how much money you would need to make, Then ask that, see if people would come, if you don't get at least 10 people, then don't do it. I think you are in Indiana some where, So There would probably have to be a hotel close by. Maybe John Deere would even sponsor you, in some way.
@@TractorTimewithTim how much do you think you'd have to charge to make it worth your while? I would spend $100-$300, above that, i'd have to think a little bit.
Cool I learned something on the dyno works
What is or was the idea with the narrow front wheels on tractors in the US? In US vintage shows (that I've only seen on TH-cam) the '3 wheeler' layout seems to be considerably more common than here in the UK. When was that common? Is it just an older style that predates the Fergies I've grown up with over here (as already vintage tractors on our farm that were/are still being used, small 'hobby' farm (now) that was a midsized farm when the Fergies were new that didn't grow 'with the times') so pre 50's, or was it just an engineering choice that better suited the US farmer's needs, where we needed more stability for farming more hilly terrain or something similar?
Used with corn pickers and front mount cultivators.
I would love to be able to put my L2501 on one of those dyno’s to see how much hp gains I achieved by adjusting the fuel screw on it. I’m guessing 3-5hp by the way it runs.
I have a L2501 as well. I’d hate to mess with it but I can’t leave anything alone. Worth it?
Coolant Temp almost to the red?wow I really didnt expect that!😮
Is that A stock? Also what size tires are it it looks good!
On it*
Good afternoon, God bless you & thank you for sharing
That was very interesting and a great subject.
Add water methanol injection next to cool EGT and increase power further
I’d love to put a turbo on my 3025e
Loved this episode. Need that turbo for "Buck" (my 1025R)... but I don't think I could get it by the wife. lol
I thought I saw some Oliver’s back there would have been cool to see those
Me too!
My 2038R and my 1948 A made the same horsepower on a dyno 38. I’ve pulled the same harrow with both and the A out pulls the 2038R. But I still love my 2038R it seems better for pto work
Great video. I like that.
How about we put together a donation for you to get a 2 cylinder John Deere and then put it in the 1025r. Or put a turbo in it? Great video series😂
I remember my grandpa having an A biggest tractor on this farm
would have been real cool if you could have found a diesel 2 cyl to put on the dyno did a lot more looking around and i am dead set on getting a 1025 just as soon as the ordeal settles out on mom passing away
Sorry to hear about your mom.
@@TractorTimewithTim she is in a far better plae no pain no sickness hate that she is gone but i know she is more haapy now and i will get to see her some time soon
Nothing like an old 2 cylinder!
Hands up for 1025
Well now that you have an auto steer you can plant the whole yard with corn lmao. Might be able to get 100% yield out of that system and a new row seeder.
want to do a tug of war against my compact jd 750 ?
Cool 😎
So like m&w turbos and things like that, that company is now rhino
Yep.
Tim promise me one thing, never wear shorts in public.
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Hello all !
Well, I'm getting old (Scoop!) and my good old JD 310 is becoming less convenient to access...
I'm considering buying an easier-to-access, hydrostatic model (I tasted it with my LT155 Lawn Tractor and I appreciate it!).
But, I want to keep doing my hay in small bales with my Kuhn GMD 44 mower, my Someca 1320 baler with a bale consolidator.
=> If the 310 does not struggle with these materials, would a modern tractor, type JD 1025, 2025, Solis 26, Kioti 28 be capable of it?
This video (th-cam.com/video/WqCNtndAJwc/w-d-xo.html) testifies to the fact that a 1025 is capable of driving a section mower (which does not require any power, in my opinion...) but what about of a 4-disc mower?
=> This other video suggests that a 22hp achieves this: th-cam.com/video/fO2vEkwL4qI/w-d-xo.html
I found this video: th-cam.com/video/sPDhzcik4_0/w-d-xo.html which testifies to the fact that a JD 1025 would be able to take my baler...
But, some of my land is on a slope (nothing very strong, but, well, the 310 weighs 2t, the 1025 weighs 700kg, with a ladle, while the press is given for 980 kg...).
In addition, I share their questions about the resistance of the PTO clutch: I can clearly hear, on the 310, the stresses exerted by the press piston...
The 1025 is sold for 24hp and 17hp at the PTO, while the 310 is given for 32hp (I looked for the power at the PTO of the 310 without finding anything...).
So, I seek your advice, can a recent 25cv replace my aging 32cv?
Should we aim for the same power on a recent tractor?
Your opinions would be valuable to me!
Thanks in advance...
I think you would be better off with a 3R for those tasks…especially coming from a 310. I usually recommend folks downsizing to stop at the 3R. You still get great maneuverability, but you get enough power to accomplish goals easily.
3039r or 3046r would be my recommendation.
The videos you reference show the 1025r doing those tasks, but it is pushing the limits.
Make sense?
@@TractorTimewithTim Yes, this is wise, but it is best if i can heard it by an expert !😄
Thanks !
You can't compare lawn tractors to a machine meant to do real work lol
No Oliver tractors at the show? That’s boring hahaha
On another row.
@@TractorTimewithTim great video! I love watching your videos. If you are ever in the St.Mary’s Ohio area and want to shoot a video I have a Kioti CK3510se w/cab and a 1950 Oliver 77. We own 17 acres of land and most of its woods with a 5 acre felid with corn in it now.
my boyfriend enjoyed meeting you!🩷