A large amount of people go into massive debt for a degree that likely isn't even worth the paper it's printed on. Meanwhile many entry level jobs now expect you to have a degree plus several years experience in the field.
I think that problem comes from the big push for everybody to attend college, regardless of what career plans you have. On top of that, you've got some places just offering student loan forgiveness, making it easier than ever for people to afford college. Basically, because it's easier than ever, the college degrees are more worthless than ever. If we keep going, at some point, college will just be the new high school and graduate school will be the new college. A bachelor's degree will have the weight of a high school diploma and employers will be asking for master's and doctorate degrees. Only way I can see to fix it is to make college's more exclusive. Limit the pool of college graduates to hire so companies HAVE to hire folks without a degree to have an efficiently sized work force. Of course, tha'ts assuming I'm even partially right about what's causing this problem. And it doesn't address the bigger problem of how to trick employers into hiring folks who have little to no experience in the field.
This is computer science in Arlington texas to a T. That place you need four year bachelor degree, and it's hard to get that money to go to college. I am suffering as a result. And the entry jobs don't pay enough to afford a family. Edit: fixed typos
I used to work in a music retail store (CDs/DVDs). The shop did have quite a few younger employees. The ones that didn't last, more often than not, found the idea of working in a music retail shop much more appealing than the reality of working in a music retail shop.
Bruh, that sounds like a dream gig for nerds like myself gushing over Mr Bungle, Frank Zappa, Captain Beefheart, and Crotchduster. Give me that autistic avant-garde shit and I can sell it to any weirdo.
Its like the people dreaming about quiting the stressful corporate world and opening a bakery. Like have you ever worked in a bakery?? Being there at 3 or 4AM and staying until 9PM is very stressful. Plus its your own business so there is a whole other level of stress
@@ChunkSchuldinga you can thank Apple, Spotify , Napster and Amazon for those jobs going away. When people started sailing the high seas and later getting cheap subscription services, those companies went away.
That's the same situation at the movie theater I work at. Most of us are movie nuts, we get to watch movies for free, and we'll talk movies until ears bleed, but it's not just an easy peasy job. Concessions and ushering are physically demanding jobs, and the positions of box office, guest services and podium while not anywhere near physically demanding, are mentally/socially demanding from dealing with guests, answering the phones, and problem solving all while being pleasant and professional. We've had new hires quit after their first shift because they didn't expect the amount of work the job entails. I've had trainees so terrified of having to talk to guests that I was expecting I'd have to notify managers that they fainted from the anxiety. It's very much they like the idea of working at a movie theater, but they just couldn't handle the reality of working at a movie theater.
I used to teach swimming at a community pool more than a decade ago while I was in highschool. The amount of times I was told to redo my report cards because I was "too critical" of my students capabilities was surreal. I was shocked at how often kids just passed despite lacking the skills required for the following level. Needless to say I didnt stick around because I dont want my name associated with a drowning victim who took my classes. Looking back it really was a microcosm of the greater system that prioritized feelings over merit.
It's not just the kids, it's how they are raised and guided. Our country has lots any sense of right or wrong. It's more about who is on your team than if your team is doing good or bad. We glorify people who act like idiots and make them rich. And it's not a Democrat or Republican thing, you see awful people all over the place (look at the criminals background of Congresspeople)
As a millennial former student this began way back - I saw students who got 30s on tests get a passing grade after angry stu pid parents complained - not with a 65 or 75, but with an 80. They can’t yell at corps to hire their kids so I don’t know what they envisioned to happen at the end anyway.
The real issue being downplayed here is the large swathe of Gen-Z that aren't being hired or promoted because they didn't meet the ESG/DEI requirements or over-inflated requirements in order to allow somebody to hire people who don't meet those over-inflated requirements in order to pave the path for nepotism/corruption. This is part of why we have a competency issue. The people eager to work from the bottom and learn about an industry from the ground floor-up were denied the opportunity, while DEI/corruption hires got their foot in the door.
Every white male grievance can’t be blamed on dei. Maybe you weren’t good enough? I’m a white male so you can save the bigotry you were about to throw. Let me guess…trumpanzee?
@@Ziegfried82In the 80s being a white female, not a friend or family f the boss, meant I had more trouble getting in. Companies were hiring token black girls and black males and friends and family and friends of family and family of friends first and I was an unconnected very pale skinned young female.
@@directrulefromgamerchair3947a trial period wage I would love to see implemented . Of course, some companies would abuse it. A trial period for worker and the company and a below minimum wage pay for a few days, then either hire at normal wage or say goodbye. Something like try out a car or apprenticeship to show your skills to the company.
College has failed them. The educational system in general has failed them. You cannot learn from people more interested in activism than teaching. Maybe that's being overly critical and picky since i know a lot of teachers still wish to teach. It's just my fist thought when I think of this.
You're not. Overly critical are the Critical Theorists, who believe that they can and even have to criticize the whole world into submission to their ideology.
Thats because Teachers who try to educate their students on something as simple as "Critical Thinking" get fired. Look up Warren Smith, the Teacher who turned an interview about J.K. Rowlings "bigotry" around into a thought experiment, trying to teach his student how to think for himself.
College or a trade is very much required these days. The crappy thing is a lot of schools are not keeping up with what employers want or need and are just selling what sounds good. Im seeing a lot of advertisements of colleges have been saying "6 figures in just over a year.* Ive been interested in cyber security for a long time, but a ton of people think they can just hop in with a year of IT helpdesk xp and think it'll fit the bill.
Honestly as a recruiter the college grads are doing far much better than those who have no HS diploma or only have HS diploma from observation.The college graduates are more determined now the rest is simply doomed 😪
As someone that has been looking for work for over 6 months. Its mind boggling how many positions want a Bachelor's degree AND 2-5 years of experience for what should be an entry level position! Do companies not want to Train people anymore?
Of course they don't, they're supposed to, but why would they when my generation keeps being ignorant and childish about stupid shit like getting misgendered or getting butt hurt when they actually have to do something! I'm embarrassed by my generation. 🤷🤦
@@that_tall_guy7437it’s not that. It’s the fact that nowadays, people tend to quit their job or switch to another employer, if they pay better. So a company doesn’t feel the need to teach them, since it’s a net loss. Teaching somebody only to have them leave for a better paying company means a net loss. So rather than train new ones they rather look for someone already familiar with the work.
They dont cause many people take the training weeks, learn as much as they can, and quit your company to go work for the competition cause they offered 5 cents more, or they were more diverse or other mumbo jumbo. WHY the hell would companies want to train talent to give to their direct competitors ?
I'm looking for new employment myself. And then they complain when they can't "find" anyone. How can they? When they don't even bother to email or phone you once you submit your resume etc. 🙄🤦🏻♀
@@throgdarthebrute That’s a myth unless you’re talking about a boom industry with a lot of competition and few hiring prospects. Generally they don’t want to train people because they’re cheap, and would rather squeeze a fraction of a penny out of the budget to declare as profit. Ironically they blow obscene amounts of money recruiting continuously because they’re bad managers pursuing false economies.
I've been training more gen z in my job. Ive noticed 2 big issues, lack of integrity and arrogance. I work overnight grocery retail. Its not a hard job, but it does pay well for my area. When i give them contructive criticism or catch them goofing off, its never their fault. They just lie straight to your face. When you call out their lie, its not a lie because they didnt mean to lie so they didnt lie. They are so confident that someone else will pick up after them that their poor proformance doesnt matter. One of them told me she was going to school to be a nurse. I asked her point blank, "If i cant trust you to stock soap to a shelf correctly, why should I trust you to take my blood pressure?". She stormed out called in for a mental health day
Gen z here and I work in a grocery store too. I honestly agree with you. My parents raised me differently and seeing my coworkers who are around the same age, a lot of them are shit workers. And somehow they are getting more opportunities to work in other departments even though I have seniority. I am about to leave to work for another grocery store company but yep. It has been awful.
I saw a young person working at a grocery store. A refrigerator had gone out, and the manager was trying to get the water cleaned up. This kid walks by with a buggy and an empty box in it. The manager yelled at him he'd told him to get a mop. The guy looked blank and said, "Oh yeah." Slowly turned around and leisurely walked back the other direction. My kids are Gen Z and have had to work with others in their generation. They can't stand them. Edit: Don't get me started on the ones at Walmart. Standing around on their phones or talking. Blocking the aisles, standing next to a stack of boxes.
@@DuncanWilliamsOFFICIAL Having gone to Mayo about 15 years ago, that's sad if true. Though I didn't interact with many of them because it was nonstop doctor appointments.
And it was all BS. These idiots made me throw money away on one of the "more useful degrees" and the market was still bad. I could have kept my assets on Dogecoin and never had to work again. BUT F&%$ these boomers.
The funny thing is, this isn’t Gen Z specifically, this is Gen Z females and activists. Most Gen Z males are conservatives, which is why so many Millennials and activists are freaking out.
Wish we could fire them from Nursing too. The new generation is holding the profession hostage with their sheer incompetence and it's driving out seasoned nurses to early retirement. You can't even teach or criticize them or they report you to HR for toxic workplace environment. It's worse in the intensive care unit where I work. Gen Z on their phone 24/7 instead of taking care of being locked into patient care. Some sleep during their shift!! And the first thing I hear every morning is I can't wait for the weekend or I'm so hung over! Or some cute guy they met/broke up with. It's literally a college campus. Attitude and unprofessionalism is one thing but they aren't even competent. I swear some of them won their degrees in a cereal box. I`m scared of any of my family getting sick to the point they'll need a hospital admission. Gen Z nurses are not it. (Stay healthy at all costs) - random Doctor.
I have a bad feeling that in about 20 years we're going to see a lot more cases like the Lainz Angel's Of Death where incompetent nurses who would rather waste their shifts doing anything but their jobs and view their patients as annoyances start teaming up to "eliminate the problem" so they can have "peace and quiet".
See this all the time where I work; we get scripts in from doctor's offices clearly written by nurses who have no idea what they are doing all the time and they pitch a fit whenever we call over to sort out what they messed up.
Companies want employees to come in with 100% of the skills necessary to perform the task while unwilling to train and while K-college education is not designed to train any workforce tasks and often designed to make students completely reliant on authority figures to tell them what to do.
@@centerfield6339 Currently one of the younger coworkers at my job is being retrained. I'm not sure how well it is going. But it has been 3 weeks and somethings seem to be finally maybe sticking with him. It's a two way street. Some training will be required but if these people don't want to learn then what can you do?
@@centerfield6339Nope nowhere does internships. Especially with the job crisis currently and a lot of experienced people being out of jobs, they go straight for those with experience, why bother wasting time and money when you can get someone who already has all the skills
Ya calling bs there, totally willing to train them but the latest batch of kids graduating the last couple years show up but never actually "show up". They want the baby treatment.
We've flooded the market with college and university degrees and they've become semi-worthless. It used to mean something when you had a degree - not so much these days.
Absolutely true. Previously, one needed at least a high school diploma to get a job. A degree had some prestige and clout. Now the Bachelor's degree has become the equivalent of a high school diploma in just getting a job.
Tip from an HR professional I know: If they ask for a degree, but don't specify a field (MBA, RN, etc.) then you don't actually need it and should apply anyway.
I remember a few years ago some of my former classmates told me I should quit my job to focus on my mental health (we’re all Gen Z btw) and I told them I can’t because I have bills to pay and they told me to just get my parents to pay for it. One thing that I was always taught from a young age is that if I want something I have to work for it, so I can guarantee if I just quit my job and told my parents to pay my bills for me they would tell me to get another job and pay for it myself, as they should in my opinion.
Depends on the severity; my greatest regret was not quitting a job that was destroying me until I ended up temporarily disabled and quit anyway. There is a stage where the damage is permanent; you don't ever completely recover mentally.
I once worked with a Gen Z guy at a call center, he told us that he once applied to Chipotle, got hired and quit after the first day. When we asked why, he said that all he wanted was the T-shirt. He also ended up quitting working at the call center after training was over. He literally worked a crappy job he didn’t want and all he got was a lousy T-shirt.
That's a good strategy until all his friends move away, the resume history of one-day jobs starts piling up (or the employment time gap if he doesn't mention them), more of his age start hunkering down into their own lives, and he has to realize one day that he can only really count on the man in the mirror to help him.
@@PreferredCustomer When I worked in the call centers, I had a long stint of only lasting a year or close to it because the account I was on ended up outsourcing to India or the Philippines and there was no room to assign me to a new account, so I got laid off. That got brought up a lot when I'd go in for job interviews that weren't call centers, and probably was a factor in why I didn't get hired. That my current job looked past that to the jobs I had that were related to this one and how many years I was with them was a big plus in my favor.
Colleges are looking less and less favorable by the minute. Apprentice and get a vocation or a skill; far less expensive and people look favorably at it.
Trades are ass and don't pay if you're not Union, the business owner or his son. There's already effort to open trades to hb1 visas imports, has nothing to do with a supply issue but the fact that when you flood the market with employees it suppresses wages/ lowers them. Fact is you're being replaced with low wage workers who do not work harder or have skill or their home countries wouldn't look like shit.
It's not. I work retail, and the people in the entry level positions are parade of Gen Z idiots that make the same brain dead mistakes over and over again, and end up quitting or getting fired within months. Even though the number of them that actually fit the stereotype you're imagining is in the single digits. It's bad enough and wide spread enough that it isn't just the standard case of service industry people that aren't motivated by a job they don't like. Most people that used to get hired stuck around for a year or two before being fired or quitting, but now it's so bad that you've practically got an entirely new staff every 6 months. Don't get me wrong, there are competent people among them, but the number of them is just as low as the number of blue haired land whales. It's genuinely nuts how few of them actually seem to know what they're doing even after working such simple jobs for over a month. Or how many of them seem to think that they don't have to actually do their job properly to keep it.
Some of them are oblivious. I got a resume from one of them type and under their Skills was shit like "Compassion, thought leader, empathetic" - not even joking a tiny fkiing bit. insanity. Yes please be a SJW Thought leader while we try to build a bridge that doesn't kill people. and i wanted to tell her, FIX THIS RESUME!! but you cant because then you get sued.
@@lunascomments3024 yea then youll be dead before you retire. seems like a waste unless your cool with the job you got as an old person. my dads got a part time insurance gig so he keeps working but it would suck if your forced to do that. also millenials/gen x can step in.
@@nietname2468 The love of money is the root of all evil. Investors don't care about the human cost of pushing for impossible numbers. It's your kids and grand kids that are suffering.
My experience basically was; graduated from college. Employers; Can you do 4-6 people’s job for minimum wage? Me: Um no? Employer: Do you have 5-6 years of experience? Me: Um no? Employer: Can you move to the highest cost center of the USA to interview? Me: Um no? Employer: I don’t think you’re gonna be a good fit.
I often hear my dad complaining about how little recent college graduates know whenever he interviews or mentors them in an internship. The fact that he, a college dropout who couldn't even complete his undergraduate course, now regularly schools people with Mtech and MBA degrees on subjects he doesn't even specialise in shows that me and other Gen Z people really need work experience more than theoretical knowledge. As much of a hassle it is, I'm kind of glad my university makes it mandatory to have done 5-6 internships in order to graduate.
@@SterileNeutrinosame here, the heavy use of “ignore air resistance” or “ignore friction” really does not prepare you for what actually engineering math is like, I just had to google an equation yesterday because the one taught to me in college ignored some variables to make it easy to understand in class
When I was in college I met one professor who taught at a prestigious university as part of the school of business. That school tried to limit the number of students who lacked real world experience before enrolling in the MBA program. They had discovered that the lack of real world experience usually resulted in those MBA graduates struggling or even outright failing once they attempted to enter the business world because they just did not have the knowledge you gain from working. But that was 30 years ago, and that wisdom is clearly gone, so now we have young men and women going from high school to college to graduate school without ever holding any kind of job and they will enter the workforce with no experience or understanding of the requirements that any job has. They will struggle to provide good value to the companies that hire them.
You want someone that can do math I know electric construction class makes you take a college lvl math. Deduction grab a mechanic. So on and so on. Grab a blue collar worker and watch productivity flourish.
See what happened when you don't discipline entitled brats? This is the bloody result. They want to wine when reality slaps them in the face, and they gotta learn that the world doesn't give a damn about them.
Ya that can bite you in the ass. My parents did the same... Parents would lose the house if i wasn't around. There was fun fight one time. And they tossed out the your can move put junk. They told them guess were all leaving the house. Cuz they weren't forget my checks was covering the mortgage. Without me that's 3g a month they need.
As an old Gen Z/young Millennial, there are a lot of Gen Z people I’ve worked with that have noticeably terrible work ethic and sense of responsibility. It’s really sad to see because I know we can be great if we apply ourselves and have a bit of humility!
I'm an older Millennial and I agree. And it's not just about worth ethic, they tend to be hyper selfish, even the ones who do work hard. Like sometimes if I'm like 5 mins late to take them off for reasons that's not even my fault they flip out whereas I covered much more when they couldn't make it in time and a lot of time it was their fault. Their mentality is "ME ME ME ME ME".
I have noticed that as well. I work in tech, we can get away with a LOT, as long as we do our jobs. If you can't meet that basic standard you're gone. If you disrupt others you're gone twice as fast. It really is easy, just close social media, put down the phone and do your job and if you run to the toilet with your phone every 15 minutes it will be noticed.
Lack of basic skills also, we had college grads that couldn't grasp that their work computers have to be turned off at the end of their shift. Obviously a 2000 € workstation is at fault.
Those who manage to learn the right lessons (college doesn't mean what it did 60 years ago, don't join cults, etc.) from their parents' failures have a chance.
@@Arizona-ex5yt it's a meme that originated with gmod or Source Film maker. just start responding to them with "Get Flushed" as the toilets are defeated by getting flushed. Alternatively, start spewing all the slang you know back at them no matter how outdated.
I'm not gonna let corpos get away with pushing their BS and blaming the younger gens for this. Education may have failed to train them for the workforrce, but it's the organizations who refuse to provide on the job training neccessary to succeed in order to save on costs. If everyone is looking for trained employees and no one is willing to train, eventually you will end up with an "educated" but unskilled labour force.
Our congress is owned by Israel and the boomers are lead-poisoned by decades of leaded gas exposure, and brainwashed by the very people now deleting the Palestinians wholesale. So, yeah, always look at the leaders of the economy. None of this was an accident. You getting blamed for a dark age they created is the point. Divide and conquer. Boomers vs. zoomers. Religious vs. non-religious. Etc. It is by design. You will own nothing and you will be happy.
I agree that the companies complain, but that is sadly a function of the incentives that management fights all the time. The major venture capitalists and investment firms demand maximum profit every quarter even if it costs the company in the long run. Its the fault of the government providing extremely perverse incentives to investors and then not understanding that by allowing companies to stop planning long term has left an economy that's on the brink of total collapse. Sadly, the people who are going to be most hurt are often the ones cheerleading for the policies that have generated the disaster that we all can see coming, but can do nothing to prevent. The situation perfectly fits the saying. "The avalanche has started, the pebbles no longer have a vote."
If a company was willing to hire me and train me for a week or so instead of requiring me to get a worthless degree for thousands of dollars, that would earn more loyalty from me than I've ever shown an employer.
T'is too much. Time to replace them with AI. You cannot replace for so easy and so cheap electric line installers and aqueduct repairmen. Today's CEOs are no longer enterprise-builders but actors, and it comes to no surprise that they are paid like Hollywood actors.
I'm 28. I work only as hard as my paycheck goes. If you're paying me a salary that won't even get me a downpayment for a house in 10 years, I'm going to put in the appropriate effort. Right now its a race to the bottom, even good employees are rotated out every 1-3 years so that they can hire someone cheaper and not have to pay large severance, benefits, pensions and other seniority perks. Lets be real here, I know I'm going to be gone in a year whether I work hard or not, I'm not getting ahead either way, so yeah I'm going to prioritize me. Every industry is getting flattened by strikes and layoffs so its straight up just going to happen. My primary goal is to learn so I can exit this nightmare and start my own business because these employers and HR staff are ice cold. Pre-covid I held jobs for 3-4+ years with nothing to show for it except a sore back and hip. Post-covid I've already been laid off 3 times since January because of this contractor economy despite bringing in hundreds of thousands of dollars in value to my employers.
Now THAT is the reality. That's what I experienced in 2008. They throw you away when they are done with you and say they owe you nothin. I remember not having enough money to eat, going into credit card debt because I used up my $10,000 in savings, and being treated like sh!t at the jobs I managed to snag. Hope you can find a way to make things work, I got some lucky breaks and had to forgo having a house, a wife, or kids for most of my life. Got the house at age 30 in 2014 though at least. I couldn't have managed to swing anything if I had a family and from what I see it's even worse for the guys younger than me.
Working for the government or military is a lot better than corporate America. You have incompetent people in upper management that work hard trying not to work.
For my line of work, so many companies don't pay enough for the work that has to done and the inflation. It's just depressing how it's basically impossible for me to currently start paying for a house. So I'm possibly about to study in something different that could offer me a better hope at being paid a wage I'll be able to make a family live with, once that comes.
Worked my butt off right out of HS after graduating 2020. My school had internships for all sorts of stuff and I became a machinist. But was basically like a robot working production and had zero life. Got there while it was dark and left while it was dark. The older I get and the more I learn and see. Work dont get you squat. I think work is part of life. But I increasingly see why young people and even old folks are becoming disillusioned with the way things work. Crazy how working conditions havent improved in decades. Im definitely all for work life balance. Working at this rate will never get me a house or family I can tell you that and I know others have it worse than me. Never got a job through applying. You have to know people. And yeah we do have some lazy Gen Z. Such a pain to work with. But thats every generation. Im working 10 hours days destroying my body in electrical work. Still not making enough to live comfortably on my own. I dont see any future with me in it at the way things are going. Oh yeah and school definitely didnt prepare us for any of this. What a waste of time lol
You have my respect for enduring it... maybe there’ll be more livable circumstances in our lifetime. Feels like chronic illness is picking up too, but not sure if that’s just sampling bias (seeing it online where people with such conditions are going to spend more time and such)
When the boomers start Dying, and Millenials age. These companies are gonna face the reality of having trained up nobody. Because by that time Gen Z workers would have moved on to find some way to feed themselves and Gen Alpha would have watched Gen Z’s failure and go in a different direction. Their will be a noticeable and drastic drop in skill levels in all major fields.
These GenZ people have got to meet the company halfway. You don’t get a participation trophy for showing up half the time, doing a half assed job, and complaining the whole time. Accompany is not going to waste their time on somebody. If they can’t get decent work out of the person that person is gone.
Oh, my job has already been suffering that for a while now. But it's only now that they're realizing that *_literally no one_* is trained properly unless they're older and coming from another job. Unfortunately for them, said people see the state of things and leave within the month. The only reason I'm still around is because it's close to home and I can't afford transportation. And me training people doesn't work when management doesn't reinforce the training or hold them to any standard. I stopped bothering when they called someone that had been there three months "new" as an excuse for their incompetence.
My only concern? They might see my resume, notice that I got my degree in 2022, and think that I'm one of these..."people." It's a rough job market in general, and NOBODY is safe.
@@turntoyou I dress well. I'm always on time. Got to work on the work ethic (I have one and it's a good one...but clearly not what people think I should have...)
Thank you. But are you talking about scams, or the businesses that keep help wanted signs up all year, collect 100's of applications, but never hire anyone?
@@Landstalker1999 I can only speak for my own experience. I've worked with plenty of 20 somethings now and other than a single example, they seem just as reliable as any other age group. Your mileage may vary. But I have heard from people of all ages, and levels of experience putting in applications at places who claim they can't find people to work. So this is based on the people I talk to. Seems to me companies don't want enough people. They want to run a skeleton crew, because it's cheaper, even if it's going to end in failure in the long run.
@@joshuawadsworth6417and should be incredibly rare. If you personally know more than one person like this (and you aren’t a mental health worker treating clients) , then very hard questions need to be asked.
I noticed that too! A few years ago, I was asked to help with a history assignment and when the print up was handed to me, I was flabbergasted. It wasn’t just wrong… it was full of misinformation! Stuff that had already been debunked! In a paper that told the students what to look for! I almost want to say it was about Egypt. One child was so upset because he actually corrected the teacher because he remembered me telling him and showing him the documentary I was watching at the time and we looked it up together, but he was like 4 or 5 then. I know teachers have it hard but how do you hire teachers that are activists and those that are stupid too?
@@leileyaravencroft most of what people my age "know" about history comes from Buzzfeed articles and stupid pop culture like Hamilton, Bridgerton, The Da Vinci Code, etc. They honestly believe that Alexander Hamilton was a POC, and that's just scratching the surface of their ignorance. These are "educated" people.
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@@leileyaravencroftThat's why teachers have it hard. They've made this mess. Hating men has a price.
@@talithakoum3922 I mean…the generations before you "knew" history from Kingdom of Heaven, Braveheart, and Silverado. All its sins on its head Hamilton doesn't portray a dude who toppled a dynasty because it wasn't coercing enough conversions to Islam, and would get ANGRY if you tried to have a conversation about something other than jihad, as a moderate secularist. Kingdom of Heaven did-the real Saladin was an absolute monster.
As someone who is Gen X who has worked with Millennials for years, but have started getting an influx of Gen Z folks during and after the pandemic, I can assure you a lot of these younger Gen Z folks do not want to work. Their work ethic is night and day to even the Millenials. I don't just blame them though, it's a mix of them going through the isolation of the pandemic, lack of proper mentoring from school, etc. They are coming into the workforce without being hardened enough to endure the work life.
I always view Millennials as two groups. The older Millennials are very different from the younger Millennials and often hate them. There tends to be a very different mindset. When I was in school, that whole "victim mentality" was starting and people tried to push me into it, but I didn't go for it. But the younger ones did.
Thanks. "Gen Y"/ "Oregon Trail Gen" Millennial here; totally agree. I feel much more comfortable among Gen X / fellow 80s Millennials than with 1990s Millennials.
There are exceptions. My daughter complains about 90% of her z coworkers. Not the best school work ethic, but is loyal, almost to a fault, to her company.
I’m a guy in my mid-fifties..I found Gen Z very hardworking but not realistic ; they would make “urgent” demands on other departments and call your professionalism into question if you could not make it happen the next day.
Poor education system, increase outsourcing, increased automation+Ai and having the pandemic go on during pivotal developmental years........ Yeah i wonder why Gen Z is struggling.
@@cannedparmesan3996 lock down were really close 1 and 1/2 years. Imagine having to do college during those circumstances. Definitely ruined education.
I recently got an email from my alma mater (a US military service academy) celebrating how they're "bringing back" marching. MARCHING. They got rid of MARCHING. IN THE MILITARY. We are going to pay for what we've done to these kids. I mean, at the civilizational level. We might not survive it.
I'm pretty sure that the USA could survive just fine without military parades. And the days of soldiers marching in tight formation across battlefields are long gone, too.
@@RokuroCarisu You're missing the point. Marching taught discipline. It's an exercise in mastering an ultra-basic task and learning how to work in a group. It's not about needing to march long term, although it's still good for readiness. It's about teaching the discipline you need in many disciplines.
Wow. Children should have chores. Period. Even if it is only in the confines of cleaning their own plates, cleaning after their own pets, washing their own laundry, and cleaning their own room, after they have the proper motor function to do so. They don't even have to clean the whole house! Just their stuff! It helps with independence and dicipline It is shocking to me (Gen Z)
@@BillLaBrie Because the market is over saturated with them. A lot of them would have done better to learn a trade. Despite Cali's craziness, nothing moves without trucks. Trucks that need diesel mechanics to keep rolling. Among many other trades that have steady work. At least when the economy isn't being driven head first into the ground by Washington DC, London etc.
@@Wastelandman7000 The problem there is these genz kids were raised in a feminized world of niceness and emotional competence. Speaking from experience, trucking is not that world.
The passion part is hard when a lot of modern day employees have such little company loyalty. It's encouraged to job hop once every three years or so, but I think many do less.
You also need grit in order to last long, most of the gen z I see whine about almost anything. They wouldn't last long in my industry and the ones that do good are an exception.
You know I have been seeing a lot of stuff like this aimed at Gen Z and to be honest it just feels like another turn in the cycle of life. I remember when people dunked on Millennials for being lazy or entitled and I am sure generations before them also were called lazy and entitled by old folks. Are some of the young generation lazy sure, however some of them are hard working individuals. The older I get the more I think grouping people just by age is as stupid as lumping people together via skin color.
Reminds me of when I was reading about the soldiers who fought in WW2. Before WW2 they were considered lazy and unintelligent and the reason why the world was in such shit state during the 30s. Then they went off and fought the Nazis and Japanese, liberated countries, saved thousands of lives from concentration camps and are now regarded as Heros and the Greatest Generation there ever was. Now I'm not saying that Gen Z is going to be the greatest gen around, however it seems every generation gets dogged on from the older ones, and I wouldn't judge a gen just by the actions of a few. I've met many, many Gen Zers who are extremely hard working, respectful, and all around good people. Although I am from rural America so geographics could play a part in that.
@@ktj9655 Hooo boy the large cities are wretched hives of scum and villainy. You know how bad a city is with how lightly they treat homeless turned criminals and encourage Crime Cultures.
My daughters friend never went to college but won't work at any job . Unless she makes over 100 grand a year. 6 weeks paid vacation and 6 to 12 days off for sick pay. She is looking for a job and living on government aid.
Yeah, I'm a younger millennial and I'm currently looking for a new IT job. Yet I'm doing so due to my contract ending. Can't say much for gen Z, but I blame the college system. Instead of indoctrinating kids they need to make Internships and what not mandatory for graduation. I was partly screwed over since Internships weren't mandatory and I wasted years working jobs that I hated until I went to trade school for IT.
@@nobodynothing1469 yeah, at least the job that my contract is ending with gave me 2 years experience. Yet the bad thing is that I'm still more or less entry level. Right now I'm trying to complete the Google IT Support Specialist IT cert and get my Net+ certificate. I'm glad to have renewed my A+ cert though. Eventually I want to specialize in software development though which would harken back to my Bachelor's degree in game design. But I have to keep earning different certs before I can specialize though just to ensure that I can get IT experience.
I had two Gen Z interns over the summer, they are not prepared. I have no idea what the schools are teaching them. These were IT interns and one of them made all his variable "global" because he was told by his professor that it was the correct way to write code. I had to teach them git, I had to teach them how to unit test and more. They said they learned more in the 3+ months they worked on my team than their 3 years in school. School is broken.
I'm in college rn. I laughed when they told me this is how every conversation is supposed to go. "Hello, what are your pronouns? (YOU MUST ASK EVERY TIME. Their pronouns may have changed during the 5 minutes they were in the bathroom) Why do you want the report done by end of day? What does having the report done by the end of the day mean to you? Why do you want to know when I'll have the report done? What does having the report done mean to you? Why do you want me to stop asking questions?" That's it for everything. Always ask why, you don't need to actually answer the question. I also agree that I don't feel particularly prepared for my field, which is accounting. I am now reading supplementary books to fill in the gaps. I don't know if you understand how frustrating it is that like 90% of my relevant, actually usable knowledge, which I've obtained over the course of 3 years, was all covered in a 65 page book. Even the premise that 42k of college is the equivalent of a $15 book is insane. What am I even paying for???
Aren't CPA and EA certifications less about the actual number crunching and more about the _absurd_ amount of financial laws you need to know? EAs aren't so much accountants as hyper-specialized lawyers who also do a lot of math. The IRS has its own court, and _only_ EAs are allowed to argue in it. That's right, not even lawyers are allowed to defend you in front of the IRS. Only EAs. What were they TEACHING in those classes if not the laws? Basic Excel and its formulas will cover the math.
So you're telling me that all those kids that came up from a system where corporations failed to prepare them an work with institutions like they used to can't handle it
@winterlantern5695 no dropped out...CURSE YOU MS EXEL..DAM YOU TO HECK. U failed that class 3 times. ..and it was required....until they dropped it 4 years latter...WHO CARES ABOUT EXEL THEMES . Ev
I think it depends on the job field. I have three Gen Z kids. One nurse, one HVAC apprentice, and one AI software developer. They’re all killing it and never lived at home after high school. Granted the youngest graduated in 2019 before the pandemic.
There are flaws in both approaches, the Village Elder is usually stuck in his ways, the village teenager doesn't fully grasp the consequences of his choices.
I work with a few. The ones I work with call in sick all the time, try to push their work on to others and they are about 60% as productive as a average employee
@@sincerelynotme3522 congratulations! Please know you got to bust your butt in the beginning. I hope you become a reliable co worker and stick with the job
@Automage45 They thew a lot at me my first day, but they said I'd get used to it the more I work. It's not as labor intensive as my last job ( car accident, my back procedure is in October) but it should be fine.
They’re mostly getting rid of the free loaders. Saw the same as a Gen Xer when I was at the same stage in my career. Some hard working and competent Gen Zers will unfortunately just be unlucky and have been working for either the wrong company or person.
This always happens with every generation. Eventuallyz the ones that rise to the top have enough skill, experience and willpower to cobble together enough value to be in the positions that need filling.
If we spend less time on our phones and on screens in general, we will find out that there is actually more time to do stuff. It's amazing how many minutes, potentially hours, we lose each day just to scroll on social media.
@@melanimatejak6821 hey, I'm not taking myself out. I definitely blame myself for the countless hours I've spent on the comment section of youtube videos arguing with people. But I'm trying to cut down on other forms of social media, like facebook and instagram.
@@PreferredCustomer oof yeah the men still getting married I just don't get it. Putting yourself in that kind of situation is exactly what the corpos want, it's why they had a bias (may still have a bias I dunno) of wanting to hire married men!
The past few years i've heard of family members, coworkers and neighbours who have reached the retirement age, but are asked to stay on because they can't find any qualified people and gen Z only wants cosy desk jobs. Off course the retirees say no and leave the company to finally start enjoying their lives. Who wouldn't?
A lot of Gen Z want remote work from home jobs. We struggle with getting them to come into the office workplace and when they do, the complaints about why they have to be there are non-stop. When they work remote, it is very difficult to reach them and we often wonder if they are even at their laptops at home.
Wow, this is really saying something given how companies have been quick to fire more experienced(and thus higher-salaried) employees and replace them with recent college grads for a long time now. The quality of the graduates must have really tanked for them to stop that particular bit of penny-pinching.
@@DC-FGC i know, but you comment says that more experienced employees are fired and replaced by college grads. But now they are just fired without being replaced it seems.
I doubt it's quality. The trend of hiring graduates died the moment companies realized they spend a lot less money outsourcing work to developing and third-world nations. Why spend money on training when you can spend at most a tenth of that cost setting up a foreign branch? Outsourcing is good for their pocketbooks, bad for the future of the country.
Boomers and Xers were entitled to in-tact, ethnically homogenous societies, which provided them with social safety nets, high-trust neighbourhoods, low crime rates and job security. Why SHOULDN'T zoomers be entitled in the same manner? Can you answer that?
@@JunjiItoDougWalker Because the times have changed. It's not the 70s or 80s anymore. Everything is inflated, internet information is widespread, and because the previous generation was successful, their offspring believe that whatever their parents earned/treated is also supposed to be applied to them. Every generation has its own difficulties. We don't see them because they are overshadowed by the achievements they made.
Imagine that! We pushed this idea that collage will guarantee a good job, then start firing them when they only have collage experience. Gen Z has gotten nothing but a raw deal from the womb to today and it will get much, much worse.
They're not being fired for only having college or they wouldn't have been hired in the first place. It's the arrogant, entitled attitude that's getting them fired.
yeah I guess but.... when you turn 18 your problems are YOUR FAULT. They don't get a pass because they decided that leftist lunatics aren't just obnoxious liars. It should have dawned on you that they were crazy. If it didn't then this is all your own fault. Fix it by becoming useful to somebody besides your phone.
@@varanid9My millenial boss takes multiple vacations while all my gen z coworkers were working hard putting in overtime hours. All were fired or layed off by that boss. I don't buy it.
It's called "Adding Value." If a person is not going to add value to the company, they are not helping the company to expand (or least keep status quo). A company has to always expand reach. A person who is in it for themselves is a liability.
I think I remember hearing that either Plato or Socrates wrote that the youth of their day were lazy. This trend has been around as long as human civilization.
Humans are always full of themselves. So easy to point out the faults of others while ignoring your own. You are right... it never ends. Most people will go to destruction for it.
But we are dealing with behavioural-modifying issues that have never been present in previous generations - e.g. social media. There's a lot of research now that shows how attention spans and moods have been significantly altered by this.
My experiences with workers under 30: One girl who had worked for GM refused to come in on days that were GM observed holidays--she no longer worked for GM and we don't observe all of those holidays. Another young worker (a male) couldn't handle that we did things differently than the construction company he used to work for... I think all of this is an example of why we're having problems with people not being able to understand that there are some gray areas in life even with our interests and hobbies, and not just in the workaday world.
Not all of us gen z is screwed yet. I come from a city where the local tech college is booming. A lot of my friends and I went to college there for two years and learned a trade. Then we were able to go out and quickly find good jobs. There’s a huge market for skilled labor right now. If you’re willing to work, go learn a trade people.
Does video editing count as a trade, I was born in 1999 and I have autism (level 1), and I always have been interested in audio visual (movies, series, animations, you call it), so I always wanted to somewhere in that area.
Aside from the 'I don't want to Work' mindset and the increased Wokeness and automation: I am NOT surprised that most Industries are going out of Business, every business should Bring back meritocracy and work Ethic, my generation is NOT faring Better
It's not that they "don't know what a woman is", it's that there exist fringe cases of people who can't fit into an objective definition of a woman, and they want to be inclusive and avoid endorsing a cut-and-dry category boundary.
@@TimNeumann-ge9qk Dude think's his parents generation is the one that defined what a woman is... They defined nothing, they accepted the definitions that have been passed down for ages. It's only the recent generation who has started to create new definitions for old words. (I say that, but that's not really even true as they don't give you a new definition. All we ever get is that it's impossible to define)
Coming from an older millennial, there are two big things I'm noticing. First, there is a massive mismatch of expectations and standards on both sides. Gen Z has unrealistically high standards and expectations for what they want out of an employer, and likewise employers have demoralizing standards and expectations of what they want from workers. They are too far apart and neither is very willing to compromise. The second issue is there is a massive bottleneck in career progression. For a long time there has been a huge amount of workforce bloat at the middle levels. The past few years companies have been trimming that fat as much as they can, so the opportunities have essentially been cut off. Boomers and older workers refuse to leave the workforce, clutching on to their long held positions. So with nowhere to advance to, middle aged millennials are still working the same positions they were when they were fresh out of college. So you end up with dinosaurs at the senior level refusing to budge, bitter middle aged workers in entry level positions, and only a handful of highly competitive jobs in between. The ugly truth is, there's no room in the current situation. Either boomers need to hang it up, or companies need to invest in the workforce again.
@@Taken1000x yeah happened to me in my job, my boss stayed way past retirement cause it was such a cushy job that paid well, it stunted my growth and made me bitter I eventually left and a year later they closed that department because that boss couldn't do my work
Speaking as a (very reluctant) Gen Zer myself, I can pretty confidently say we had this coming for a while. Turns out not learning trades or general life skills at all can backfire horrendously. "Learn to code" wasn't a taunt, it was genuine life advice many of us discarded out of an arrogant sense of inflated self-worth.
It used to be a trend to try to get older people to quit so that companies could hire fresh, less expensive, college hires to do the jobs. Sure, the college grads didn't know what they were doing, but they could generally pick it up after a year or two. This used to be a good way to save money for big corporations. These days, they can't do this anymore. The college grads genuinely cannot do the jobs. They can't do much of anything. They lack all work skills. Even millennials had some kind of work experience. Gen Z got out of college, in most cases, without a single day of work experience. This is problem because the older you get, the harder it is to change and learn. This is why it's harder for older people to learn new languages or change life habits. For young people, this means that if they didn't work before they got out of college, they're essentially worthless in the job market.
This is why I'm so glad my niece just got a paid internship at a very competitive place! Got her foot in the door, got to see the work place, get to know the people there, and some experience. I've told her to make sure to learn from people who have been doing it for a while. It's okay if she doesn't know everything yet, and it's a good chance to ask people who have decades of experience.
Millenials couldn't do the jobs either. Only now, they have enough of a broad base of skills being flexible in 2 year jobs to be somewhat hireable and trainable. Gen Z have to go through the same poop drain of hard knocks.
"They can't do the job" It's not that they can't, it's that they aren't getting trained period. Back in the day you'd get trained to take the position. Now training is seen as an annoyance to these companies and so they'll keep relying on Old Man Rivers for his expertise until he's pushing up daisies. Then they'll fold their arms, think for a bit, then outsource a bunch of the work for cheap to foreign economies because that's what America is good for these days.
I work in a brand new retail furniture store, commission only, good money if you work hard. Out of the 3 Gen Z's hired and I trained with , only 1 left. They couldn't handle the job, were lazy, made excuses all the time. One of them was 20 years old and already had like 10 jobs! They never lasted. they complained they had to work weekends in a retail environment.
i wish to work oh my mackaronies, my friend had a good job, got like 1000euro/month, cnc programmer job, and the ceo started talked at him, and he did ragequit his job... Imagine if youre American, that 1000euro in serbia equal to 90-110k to america. And he dont wanna work... He achieved that even with no Highschool, just a cnc school that lasted him 6months
It's the cotton wool generation. They went through school getting awards for participating, rather than winning. Were only given postitive reinforcement, not constructive criticism. In University, they got taught that inclusion is more important than ability. They aren't prepated for a competitive workplace.
Yeah, this is bullshit to an extent. Coming from an elder mil here. Times have changed. My granddad was a friggen department head at a Raleys and could support a family of 4. Now a days a college degree is a damn near requirement. I was told that College were for those who wanted the better things in life. Didn't interest me. So I stuck with my HSD and busted my ass at menial jobs. Was taught a few things and it really didn't end up meaning much. Uncle was a Navy vet and an electrical engineer who ended up working on Semi-conductors at a company. Who then laid him off and shipped the jobs to Sri Lanka.
@@CT-yc4gd A college degree is not a requirement, unless you are trying to be a Doctor, a Lawyer, a Business Owner, a Tech Specialist, or a Teacher. The colleges have all brainwashed us into believing this is not the case. But this has always been the case. Without a degree, you can still be all sorts of important things. Things like a Cop, a firefighter, an EMT, a soldier, a mail carrier, a construction worker... just to name a few. And most of those are good paying "blue-collar" work. Kids today are simply too lazy to want to work those jobs, unless they are children of IMMIGRANTS!
University used to prepare you for a professional work life by teaching you to work independently and think critically. Thus an employer in the dogfood industry could hire a history graduate knowing that graduate could master that job with minimal on the job training and be an asset for the company. Now universities are degree mills and teach their students to NOT think critically, but regurgitate dogma. They are activist training facilities now. University graduates are useless now for employers and it is about time employers woke up to this fact.
So, it is starting to be a global norm that it isn't reasonable and profitable to hire anyone born after 1994 or 1995 because "they don't have enough experience and skills" but "instead need hand-holding orientation when they start in the workplace and don't know how to do anything until someone teaches them first". And previously recruiters have confirmed that nowadays they ignore job applications based on the birth year alone and then throw them away without even contacting the applicants to tell them why they were not selected for the job.
@@pablobronstein1247 Possibly, but first we need yo ask that when did it even become the task of workplaces, employers and other employees to orientate and teach them when, according to the companies, the interruption due to the newcomer slows down the work and the pause takes away from the efficiency and company's income?
@@pablobronstein1247 No. But its extremely unreasonable for someone who has been with the company for a six months or a year to still "require extensive coaching" on how to to the most basic duties of their job and then turn around making demands for pay raises or promotions because they see other employees in their position who've mastered their job assignments getting bumped up the ladder or getting a nice fat raise in lieu of a promotion as a reward for a job well done.
@@danielmalinen6337 Emplyee training was the norm 70 years ago. If line going up is the only valuable goal then your countries young people are liability and immigrants need to fill cheap out-of-the-box-trained workforce. O tempora o mores. It's all a bad gamble.
Nobody can find work now unless you have a specialied skill. If your a slow learner. Good luck finding an employer willing to keep you around long enough to figure I out.
Unless you check the right check boxes, then they hire you on the sport. But if your qualified and have a college degree in a real field you worked to get, good luck.
Doesnt matter even if you're a fast learner. Businesses forgot how to look for smart, skilled, and talented people. Its all fake qualification and certifications now.
As a Sr Advertising Exec I have found Gen Z shows up with a week of experience but want the pay of someone who has been in the industry for 15 years. When we do hire them, they often cry at work, and find a million excuses to not show up. We have to hear their opinions all the time because they yell it, even when not asked. This is an issue with corporate work where they have to interact with 40 to 50 year old C level executives. They also have a habit of ratting everyone out for one thing or another, and it's always over something stupid.
@@pspmaster2071 meaning they complain to management and HR over whatever hurt their feels that day. It doesn't take much. They are emotionally weak overall.
@@bicyclelife7088 I don't see that where I work and there are lots of young people in the corporate engineering office. Maybe you just got a special batch. Also keep this in mind, a lot of people who call others soft crumble EASILY when you give them a dose of the same treatment.
Yes. Yoy forget about sth, how they are entitled. A girl that came as a newbe to work, first week of her work or rather training, no experience, does not know anything and started to critisize older person who trained her behind her back. First opinions on whatever, she would do it better than somebody more experienced. Not doing it. And the problem was she felt entitled to higher grade's pay just because like that. Plus no responsibility, pushing her work on others etc. When they have hired 3 like this and i had to clean after them i quit. Sorry, i am not going to do a kindergarten for grown up adults that are payed for nothing while their duties were pilled up on me.
I'm a gen z with a high school diploma and I work as an auto tech. I've worked hard even with the time cuts we got for a few months, but the issue is that for what it's worth, life is too expensive these days to save much money. For the past 2 weeks as an experiment, I've slowly made progress, but only subsided on beans, rice and tuna as a meal option with some fruit. I'm aware I'll be working until my bones fall apart which may be sooner than later, but it's all I have as I'm not one to attend college and succeed. If it were the economy we had when I was younger, I'd probably be doing alright.
I was born in 1986, and I think even my generation wasn't prepared for the real world for the most part, but at least we had electronics and metal shop and home economics and PE and stuff in school, kids today aren't taught anything of actual practical to use in the real world in highschool anymore... i know it's beating a dead horse, but i think the boomer generation caused this issue, though, as usual not everyone, just the ones that matter.
It's worth noting that a lot of companies these days have younger CEOs/founders, particularly in the tech and new media industry. Some of them even belong to Gen Z. HR departments are also primarily staffed by the younger generation.
"I was born in 1986, and I think even my generation wasn't prepared for the real world for the most part, but at least we had electronics and metal shop and home economics and PE and stuff in school, kids today aren't taught anything of actual practical to use in the real world in high school anymore...." This is very true.
I have the fortune to work Gen Zers who have the requisite knowledge, skills, and attitude to do well and make the world a better place but I see a whole lot of them on Reddit and TH-cam who just want to get paid to play around on their phones.
requisite knowledge, skills, and attitude to do what? I’m not seeing any true innovation or art or culture being built. All I see are old men stuffing their pockets while complaining about the young mules not working at their pace. Aren’t we just chasing our own tails at this point. Earning pointless money for pointless things by pointless people. Instead we are making ugly cities for ugly people with little to no community.
TBF For the last 20 years and maybe longer there has been a fallacy that "IF YOU GO TO COLLEGE YOU'LL MAKE A MILLION DOLLARS MORE THAN SOMEONE WHO DOESNT..." so they're definitely coming out with that.
It's another 2008 type situation, I'm not gonna give you the BS platitudes a lot of the older folks are giving because I remember how it was for me during those times. The USA's treatment of employees is terrible overall and there are very few unions.
MTSU for the advertisements for the college of teaching, it literally says "become a teacher, create social change" teachers are not supposed to create social change, they are there to teach the next generation. We already knew that one of the big problems with public education is liberal teachers trying to force their viewpoints onto kids instead of teaching, but coming right out and advertising it is insane. I laugh every time i walk by these signs and flags that they have along the walk to the student union building.
I worked in a small cafe with college students in 2018 and I had to micromanage these kids and constantly appease unhappy customers who were confused and disgusted by how they were treated. I heard "check your privilege" uttered many times by coworkers as they retreated to the back and left orders unfulfilled.
Having mentored Gen Z interns in the Corporate Office environment I found leveling expectations was all they needed. Where left to “read minds” of assigned supervisors they of course floundered…
It’s funny how the older generations say that the younger generations have it quote on quote “easy”, but in reality, right now, the younger generations are having it harder to find a job and don’t know what the hell they’re doing. If anything, the older generations are having it easy not having to deal with it.
@@Lion_Patriot yes, we certainly didn't have the sames difficulties. It was different and this skew our judgement of the GenZ. We judge them on the difficulties we got, not on their difficulties, which can and is totally different that ours. Ultimatly we must have faith in the younger generations, humans are strong and adaptive. They will conquer their demons and succeed eventually.
The same people who run the world and have planted the bull were seeing now. Seriously look into the Rockefellers and how they changed the schools etc.
The bar is so low and Gen z still can’t meet it. I had a gen z co worked tell me that “it triggers (their) ‘PTSD’ to have to make a work phone call.” A) what trauma causes ptsd for a phone call? B) what employee in an office can successfully communicate without calling their clients? 🤦♂️
@@madisonbadger9454 not surprised, the women of my generation are literally toxic in anyway. However for us Males of this generation, it's fubar even if we want to work.
Unfortunately its those type of people that stands out the most. Im gen z and i don’t have a problem calling a stranger on the phone. I’ve done it before, and i know some people get anxiety just by calling on the phone but it’s never this bad where they claim it triggers their “PTSD”.
A large amount of people go into massive debt for a degree that likely isn't even worth the paper it's printed on. Meanwhile many entry level jobs now expect you to have a degree plus several years experience in the field.
@@reaperbot5226 In a field that only existed for the last four years.
The problem is that if you can't get hired you can't get the experience.
I think that problem comes from the big push for everybody to attend college, regardless of what career plans you have. On top of that, you've got some places just offering student loan forgiveness, making it easier than ever for people to afford college. Basically, because it's easier than ever, the college degrees are more worthless than ever. If we keep going, at some point, college will just be the new high school and graduate school will be the new college. A bachelor's degree will have the weight of a high school diploma and employers will be asking for master's and doctorate degrees.
Only way I can see to fix it is to make college's more exclusive. Limit the pool of college graduates to hire so companies HAVE to hire folks without a degree to have an efficiently sized work force.
Of course, tha'ts assuming I'm even partially right about what's causing this problem. And it doesn't address the bigger problem of how to trick employers into hiring folks who have little to no experience in the field.
This is computer science in Arlington texas to a T. That place you need four year bachelor degree, and it's hard to get that money to go to college. I am suffering as a result. And the entry jobs don't pay enough to afford a family.
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Because they can hire globally but you can't work globally or pay the degree off if you could.
I used to work in a music retail store (CDs/DVDs). The shop did have quite a few younger employees. The ones that didn't last, more often than not, found the idea of working in a music retail shop much more appealing than the reality of working in a music retail shop.
Bruh, that sounds like a dream gig for nerds like myself gushing over Mr Bungle, Frank Zappa, Captain Beefheart, and Crotchduster. Give me that autistic avant-garde shit and I can sell it to any weirdo.
They thought it was gonna be like Empire Records🤣
Its like the people dreaming about quiting the stressful corporate world and opening a bakery. Like have you ever worked in a bakery?? Being there at 3 or 4AM and staying until 9PM is very stressful. Plus its your own business so there is a whole other level of stress
@@ChunkSchuldinga you can thank Apple, Spotify , Napster and Amazon for those jobs going away.
When people started sailing the high seas and later getting cheap subscription services, those companies went away.
That's the same situation at the movie theater I work at. Most of us are movie nuts, we get to watch movies for free, and we'll talk movies until ears bleed, but it's not just an easy peasy job. Concessions and ushering are physically demanding jobs, and the positions of box office, guest services and podium while not anywhere near physically demanding, are mentally/socially demanding from dealing with guests, answering the phones, and problem solving all while being pleasant and professional. We've had new hires quit after their first shift because they didn't expect the amount of work the job entails. I've had trainees so terrified of having to talk to guests that I was expecting I'd have to notify managers that they fainted from the anxiety. It's very much they like the idea of working at a movie theater, but they just couldn't handle the reality of working at a movie theater.
I used to teach swimming at a community pool more than a decade ago while I was in highschool. The amount of times I was told to redo my report cards because I was "too critical" of my students capabilities was surreal. I was shocked at how often kids just passed despite lacking the skills required for the following level. Needless to say I didnt stick around because I dont want my name associated with a drowning victim who took my classes. Looking back it really was a microcosm of the greater system that prioritized feelings over merit.
It's not just the kids, it's how they are raised and guided. Our country has lots any sense of right or wrong. It's more about who is on your team than if your team is doing good or bad. We glorify people who act like idiots and make them rich. And it's not a Democrat or Republican thing, you see awful people all over the place (look at the criminals background of Congresspeople)
As a millennial former student this began way back - I saw students who got 30s on tests get a passing grade after angry stu pid parents complained - not with a 65 or 75, but with an 80. They can’t yell at corps to hire their kids so I don’t know what they envisioned to happen at the end anyway.
The real issue being downplayed here is the large swathe of Gen-Z that aren't being hired or promoted because they didn't meet the ESG/DEI requirements or over-inflated requirements in order to allow somebody to hire people who don't meet those over-inflated requirements in order to pave the path for nepotism/corruption. This is part of why we have a competency issue. The people eager to work from the bottom and learn about an industry from the ground floor-up were denied the opportunity, while DEI/corruption hires got their foot in the door.
Saw this happen even back in 2008 with several jobs I applied to as a White male. Now that crap is even more widespread!!
Every white male grievance can’t be blamed on dei. Maybe you weren’t good enough? I’m a white male so you can save the bigotry you were about to throw. Let me guess…trumpanzee?
Bingo. DEI can get undeserving people a foot in the door, but what it can't do is magically make the company want to keep them when times get rough.
@@Ziegfried82In the 80s being a white female, not a friend or family f the boss, meant I had more trouble getting in. Companies were hiring token black girls and black males and friends and family and friends of family and family of friends first and I was an unconnected very pale skinned young female.
@@directrulefromgamerchair3947a trial period wage I would love to see implemented . Of course, some companies would abuse it. A trial period for worker and the company and a below minimum wage pay for a few days, then either hire at normal wage or say goodbye. Something like try out a car or apprenticeship to show your skills to the company.
College has failed them. The educational system in general has failed them. You cannot learn from people more interested in activism than teaching. Maybe that's being overly critical and picky since i know a lot of teachers still wish to teach. It's just my fist thought when I think of this.
You're not. Overly critical are the Critical Theorists, who believe that they can and even have to criticize the whole world into submission to their ideology.
Thats because Teachers who try to educate their students on something as simple as "Critical Thinking" get fired.
Look up Warren Smith, the Teacher who turned an interview about J.K. Rowlings "bigotry" around into a thought experiment, trying to teach his student how to think for himself.
College or a trade is very much required these days. The crappy thing is a lot of schools are not keeping up with what employers want or need and are just selling what sounds good. Im seeing a lot of advertisements of colleges have been saying "6 figures in just over a year.* Ive been interested in cyber security for a long time, but a ton of people think they can just hop in with a year of IT helpdesk xp and think it'll fit the bill.
That's half of it. You also missed that their parents and extended families have also failed them.
Honestly as a recruiter the college grads are doing far much better than those who have no HS diploma or only have HS diploma from observation.The college graduates are more determined now the rest is simply doomed 😪
As someone that has been looking for work for over 6 months. Its mind boggling how many positions want a Bachelor's degree AND 2-5 years of experience for what should be an entry level position! Do companies not want to Train people anymore?
Of course they don't, they're supposed to, but why would they when my generation keeps being ignorant and childish about stupid shit like getting misgendered or getting butt hurt when they actually have to do something! I'm embarrassed by my generation. 🤷🤦
@@that_tall_guy7437it’s not that. It’s the fact that nowadays, people tend to quit their job or switch to another employer, if they pay better. So a company doesn’t feel the need to teach them, since it’s a net loss. Teaching somebody only to have them leave for a better paying company means a net loss. So rather than train new ones they rather look for someone already familiar with the work.
They dont cause many people take the training weeks, learn as much as they can, and quit your company to go work for the competition cause they offered 5 cents more, or they were more diverse or other mumbo jumbo. WHY the hell would companies want to train talent to give to their direct competitors ?
I'm looking for new employment myself. And then they complain when they can't "find" anyone. How can they? When they don't even bother to email or phone you once you submit your resume etc. 🙄🤦🏻♀
@@throgdarthebrute That’s a myth unless you’re talking about a boom industry with a lot of competition and few hiring prospects. Generally they don’t want to train people because they’re cheap, and would rather squeeze a fraction of a penny out of the budget to declare as profit. Ironically they blow obscene amounts of money recruiting continuously because they’re bad managers pursuing false economies.
I've been training more gen z in my job. Ive noticed 2 big issues, lack of integrity and arrogance. I work overnight grocery retail. Its not a hard job, but it does pay well for my area. When i give them contructive criticism or catch them goofing off, its never their fault. They just lie straight to your face. When you call out their lie, its not a lie because they didnt mean to lie so they didnt lie. They are so confident that someone else will pick up after them that their poor proformance doesnt matter. One of them told me she was going to school to be a nurse. I asked her point blank, "If i cant trust you to stock soap to a shelf correctly, why should I trust you to take my blood pressure?". She stormed out called in for a mental health day
well all the decent kids went to college. the people that apply to grocery stores nowadays that are young losers.
The 99% of Mayo Clinic nurses btw
Gen z here and I work in a grocery store too. I honestly agree with you. My parents raised me differently and seeing my coworkers who are around the same age, a lot of them are shit workers. And somehow they are getting more opportunities to work in other departments even though I have seniority. I am about to leave to work for another grocery store company but yep. It has been awful.
I saw a young person working at a grocery store. A refrigerator had gone out, and the manager was trying to get the water cleaned up. This kid walks by with a buggy and an empty box in it. The manager yelled at him he'd told him to get a mop. The guy looked blank and said, "Oh yeah." Slowly turned around and leisurely walked back the other direction. My kids are Gen Z and have had to work with others in their generation. They can't stand them.
Edit: Don't get me started on the ones at Walmart. Standing around on their phones or talking. Blocking the aisles, standing next to a stack of boxes.
@@DuncanWilliamsOFFICIAL Having gone to Mayo about 15 years ago, that's sad if true. Though I didn't interact with many of them because it was nonstop doctor appointments.
Being punished for the tomfoolery of others. High School never ends.
Yes. And don't even get me started on all the highjinx, shenanigans and monkey business.
Does anyone remember the exact same articles about Millenials? About how they are entitled and demand participation trophies?
Yes and they said we were all avocado toast eating snobs, I remember that
And it was all BS. These idiots made me throw money away on one of the "more useful degrees" and the market was still bad. I could have kept my assets on Dogecoin and never had to work again. BUT F&%$ these boomers.
The funny thing is, this isn’t Gen Z specifically, this is Gen Z females and activists. Most Gen Z males are conservatives, which is why so many Millennials and activists are freaking out.
@@juice2307ha. no
Yes. I first read such articles back in 2013, before I became more politically aware. I was only 17 at the time so I'm an early Zoomer.
Wish we could fire them from Nursing too. The new generation is holding the profession hostage with their sheer incompetence and it's driving out seasoned nurses to early retirement.
You can't even teach or criticize them or they report you to HR for toxic workplace environment. It's worse in the intensive care unit where I work. Gen Z on their phone 24/7 instead of taking care of being locked into patient care. Some sleep during their shift!!
And the first thing I hear every morning is I can't wait for the weekend or I'm so hung over! Or some cute guy they met/broke up with. It's literally a college campus.
Attitude and unprofessionalism is one thing but they aren't even competent. I swear some of them won their degrees in a cereal box. I`m scared of any of my family getting sick to the point they'll need a hospital admission. Gen Z nurses are not it. (Stay healthy at all costs) - random Doctor.
I have a bad feeling that in about 20 years we're going to see a lot more cases like the Lainz Angel's Of Death where incompetent nurses who would rather waste their shifts doing anything but their jobs and view their patients as annoyances start teaming up to "eliminate the problem" so they can have "peace and quiet".
Or they just get fired and replaced with robots.
Bring in some Filipina nurses. They will work hard.
See this all the time where I work; we get scripts in from doctor's offices clearly written by nurses who have no idea what they are doing all the time and they pitch a fit whenever we call over to sort out what they messed up.
Having worked with nurses this is true, but not just the gen Z ones. Good nurses are worth there weight in gold, and just as rare.
Companies want employees to come in with 100% of the skills necessary to perform the task while unwilling to train and while K-college education is not designed to train any workforce tasks and often designed to make students completely reliant on authority figures to tell them what to do.
and they want to hire them at entry-level wages and horribly understaffed so 2 people are doing the job of an entire 10 person department...
Companies don't want people to have 100% of the skills. There are loads of internships and people being given a chance.
@@centerfield6339
Currently one of the younger coworkers at my job is being retrained.
I'm not sure how well it is going. But it has been 3 weeks and somethings seem to be finally maybe sticking with him.
It's a two way street. Some training will be required but if these people don't want to learn then what can you do?
@@centerfield6339Nope nowhere does internships. Especially with the job crisis currently and a lot of experienced people being out of jobs, they go straight for those with experience, why bother wasting time and money when you can get someone who already has all the skills
Ya calling bs there, totally willing to train them but the latest batch of kids graduating the last couple years show up but never actually "show up". They want the baby treatment.
We've flooded the market with college and university degrees and they've become semi-worthless. It used to mean something when you had a degree - not so much these days.
College means you’re too stupid to learn online in a fraction of the time.
That is another problem.
What do you do for a living?
Absolutely true. Previously, one needed at least a high school diploma to get a job. A degree had some prestige and clout. Now the Bachelor's degree has become the equivalent of a high school diploma in just getting a job.
@@cannedparmesan3996 Who?
We’ve gone backwards over the years.
Feminism killed traditionalism also lol this country ain't got much longer....
@@j4ze114 Its already dead, people just havent realized it yet.
Yes, we went left. Hard left.
@@dbsommers1 That was an illegal left by the way
Who could have predicted that the regressive left would regress society?
The problem with the "you don't need college degree argument" is that every business demands a degree and/or equivalent work experience.
And yet I've managed to get 2 decent paying jobs without a degree or experience.
@@barryward2128 this is just like arguing that "intersex exists therefore men should be allowed in the same bathroom as 5 year old girls"
You kind of defeated your own argument by saying you don't need the degree, that experience will work too.
Tip from an HR professional I know: If they ask for a degree, but don't specify a field (MBA, RN, etc.) then you don't actually need it and should apply anyway.
AI will make so many of these college degrees worthless in 5 to 10 years...get a real skill.
I remember a few years ago some of my former classmates told me I should quit my job to focus on my mental health (we’re all Gen Z btw) and I told them I can’t because I have bills to pay and they told me to just get my parents to pay for it. One thing that I was always taught from a young age is that if I want something I have to work for it, so I can guarantee if I just quit my job and told my parents to pay my bills for me they would tell me to get another job and pay for it myself, as they should in my opinion.
Depends on the severity; my greatest regret was not quitting a job that was destroying me until I ended up temporarily disabled and quit anyway. There is a stage where the damage is permanent; you don't ever completely recover mentally.
I once worked with a Gen Z guy at a call center, he told us that he once applied to Chipotle, got hired and quit after the first day. When we asked why, he said that all he wanted was the T-shirt. He also ended up quitting working at the call center after training was over.
He literally worked a crappy job he didn’t want and all he got was a lousy T-shirt.
That's a good strategy until all his friends move away, the resume history of one-day jobs starts piling up (or the employment time gap if he doesn't mention them), more of his age start hunkering down into their own lives, and he has to realize one day that he can only really count on the man in the mirror to help him.
@@PreferredCustomer When I worked in the call centers, I had a long stint of only lasting a year or close to it because the account I was on ended up outsourcing to India or the Philippines and there was no room to assign me to a new account, so I got laid off. That got brought up a lot when I'd go in for job interviews that weren't call centers, and probably was a factor in why I didn't get hired. That my current job looked past that to the jobs I had that were related to this one and how many years I was with them was a big plus in my favor.
As a Gen Z myself, I can safely say that my generation are bad bunch of muffins tbh.
*nice t shirt
He could have just bought one?
Colleges are looking less and less favorable by the minute.
Apprentice and get a vocation or a skill; far less expensive and people look favorably at it.
It depends. I've been on both sides
Trades are ass and don't pay if you're not Union, the business owner or his son. There's already effort to open trades to hb1 visas imports, has nothing to do with a supply issue but the fact that when you flood the market with employees it suppresses wages/ lowers them. Fact is you're being replaced with low wage workers who do not work harder or have skill or their home countries wouldn't look like shit.
@@gharm9129 All I know is that once I open my own practice, I'm bringing my sons up to be Electricians same as me. They are not going to be struggling
I teach highly technical classes in college. These classes exist, with low enrollment
@@murrayrothbardgaming7567 Electrician's will never be out of work and the pay is very good !
There are homeschooled kids who are more ready for the workforce than these college grads.
To be fair, it's clearly the blue-haired, nose ringed, and tatooed types getting fired for obivious reasons.
To include "Down with Capitalism" types who's actual mission is to harm the company.
And the ones with zero attention span because their brains were rotted by tiktok.
It's not. I work retail, and the people in the entry level positions are parade of Gen Z idiots that make the same brain dead mistakes over and over again, and end up quitting or getting fired within months. Even though the number of them that actually fit the stereotype you're imagining is in the single digits. It's bad enough and wide spread enough that it isn't just the standard case of service industry people that aren't motivated by a job they don't like. Most people that used to get hired stuck around for a year or two before being fired or quitting, but now it's so bad that you've practically got an entirely new staff every 6 months. Don't get me wrong, there are competent people among them, but the number of them is just as low as the number of blue haired land whales. It's genuinely nuts how few of them actually seem to know what they're doing even after working such simple jobs for over a month. Or how many of them seem to think that they don't have to actually do their job properly to keep it.
Some of them are oblivious. I got a resume from one of them type and under their Skills was shit like "Compassion, thought leader, empathetic" - not even joking a tiny fkiing bit. insanity. Yes please be a SJW Thought leader while we try to build a bridge that doesn't kill people. and i wanted to tell her, FIX THIS RESUME!! but you cant because then you get sued.
I was wondering why they were hired in the first place.
Gen Z here, getting a job has been hell, ain't no one but high pressure sales will even consider giving me a chance.
Work for a place like Amazon or UPS. They hire just about anybody Or try an apprenticeship program
Dhl is a decentish place to work pay pretty well too
@@batalorian7997 almost better to be homeless then work the previous 2, and good luck on the latter without money and/or doing it for free.
Because you were raised by single mothers.
@@barryward2128 if you want to make good money you need to be experienced, highly specialized and knowing people helps a mix of 2 tends to work best.
If companies would stop the “must have a degree” bs for most jobs this problem would start to fix itself.
Not sure raising the retirement age AGAIN or bribing the Boomers to stick around a few more years is gonna alleviate things either.
I'm younger millennial and I don't plan on retiring until I'm in my 70s or 80s.
@@zenvariety9383 I support raising retirement age to 83.
@@zenvariety9383I have bad news
Ill be dead before 83.
@@lunascomments3024 yea then youll be dead before you retire. seems like a waste unless your cool with the job you got as an old person. my dads got a part time insurance gig so he keeps working but it would suck if your forced to do that. also millenials/gen x can step in.
I'm an old man. I freely admit it. And I am one of those people out there who can say, definitively: I SAW THIS COMING DECADES AHEAD OF TIME!!
Thats the thing that makes me anger. I'm a nobody and have been talking about this stuff for well over a decade. How did the "experts" miss this?
@@ssjwes572 blackrock, private Equity, greed to a degree that makes it imppssoble for the younger generation to actually ever live a normal life.
@@nietname2468 The love of money is the root of all evil. Investors don't care about the human cost of pushing for impossible numbers. It's your kids and grand kids that are suffering.
I believe this is all part of the plan. Dumb down the nation…. Something horrible is coming.
My experience basically was; graduated from college.
Employers; Can you do 4-6 people’s job for minimum wage?
Me: Um no?
Employer: Do you have 5-6 years of experience?
Me: Um no?
Employer: Can you move to the highest cost center of the USA to interview?
Me: Um no?
Employer: I don’t think you’re gonna be a good fit.
I often hear my dad complaining about how little recent college graduates know whenever he interviews or mentors them in an internship. The fact that he, a college dropout who couldn't even complete his undergraduate course, now regularly schools people with Mtech and MBA degrees on subjects he doesn't even specialise in shows that me and other Gen Z people really need work experience more than theoretical knowledge. As much of a hassle it is, I'm kind of glad my university makes it mandatory to have done 5-6 internships in order to graduate.
Even my engineering degree from the 90s didn't prepare me for anything or even teach me the things that I needed afterwards. I just thought it had.
@@SterileNeutrinosame here, the heavy use of “ignore air resistance” or “ignore friction” really does not prepare you for what actually engineering math is like, I just had to google an equation yesterday because the one taught to me in college ignored some variables to make it easy to understand in class
When I was in college I met one professor who taught at a prestigious university as part of the school of business. That school tried to limit the number of students who lacked real world experience before enrolling in the MBA program. They had discovered that the lack of real world experience usually resulted in those MBA graduates struggling or even outright failing once they attempted to enter the business world because they just did not have the knowledge you gain from working.
But that was 30 years ago, and that wisdom is clearly gone, so now we have young men and women going from high school to college to graduate school without ever holding any kind of job and they will enter the workforce with no experience or understanding of the requirements that any job has. They will struggle to provide good value to the companies that hire them.
The smart Gen z is the ones going into trade schools because we know college is a scam just like credit cards.
You want someone that can do math I know electric construction class makes you take a college lvl math. Deduction grab a mechanic. So on and so on. Grab a blue collar worker and watch productivity flourish.
My kids are Gen Z but I raised them to know that they are owed nothing in life and they have to work to earn it.
That Can Do attitude is gonna do wonders in a Jacked Up Housing Market
I'm training a bunch of Gen Z - the amount of hand holding, my goodness. if this was when I started (10 years ago), they would fire me already.
See what happened when you don't discipline entitled brats? This is the bloody result. They want to wine when reality slaps them in the face, and they gotta learn that the world doesn't give a damn about them.
Ya that can bite you in the ass. My parents did the same... Parents would lose the house if i wasn't around.
There was fun fight one time. And they tossed out the your can move put junk. They told them guess were all leaving the house. Cuz they weren't forget my checks was covering the mortgage. Without me that's 3g a month they need.
Good on you at least you're doing better than most
As an old Gen Z/young Millennial, there are a lot of Gen Z people I’ve worked with that have noticeably terrible work ethic and sense of responsibility. It’s really sad to see because I know we can be great if we apply ourselves and have a bit of humility!
I'm an older Millennial and I agree. And it's not just about worth ethic, they tend to be hyper selfish, even the ones who do work hard. Like sometimes if I'm like 5 mins late to take them off for reasons that's not even my fault they flip out whereas I covered much more when they couldn't make it in time and a lot of time it was their fault. Their mentality is "ME ME ME ME ME".
"Everyones a winner" mentality really worked out in the end! Seen this coming for years. 🥱
I have noticed that as well. I work in tech, we can get away with a LOT, as long as we do our jobs. If you can't meet that basic standard you're gone. If you disrupt others you're gone twice as fast.
It really is easy, just close social media, put down the phone and do your job and if you run to the toilet with your phone every 15 minutes it will be noticed.
Lack of basic skills also, we had college grads that couldn't grasp that their work computers have to be turned off at the end of their shift. Obviously a 2000 € workstation is at fault.
If Gen Z is getting hit, then Gen Alpha is hella doomed
"Skibidi Toilet" as they say... whatever that means.
They are doomed to flip to the Theocrats.
Those who manage to learn the right lessons (college doesn't mean what it did 60 years ago, don't join cults, etc.) from their parents' failures have a chance.
@@Arizona-ex5yt it's a meme that originated with gmod or Source Film maker. just start responding to them with "Get Flushed" as the toilets are defeated by getting flushed.
Alternatively, start spewing all the slang you know back at them no matter how outdated.
The bulk of Gen Alpha are going to be fighting the next big war, they just don't know it yet. So yeah, we're ALL doomed.
I'm not gonna let corpos get away with pushing their BS and blaming the younger gens for this. Education may have failed to train them for the workforrce, but it's the organizations who refuse to provide on the job training neccessary to succeed in order to save on costs.
If everyone is looking for trained employees and no one is willing to train, eventually you will end up with an "educated" but unskilled labour force.
Our congress is owned by Israel and the boomers are lead-poisoned by decades of leaded gas exposure, and brainwashed by the very people now deleting the Palestinians wholesale.
So, yeah, always look at the leaders of the economy. None of this was an accident. You getting blamed for a dark age they created is the point. Divide and conquer. Boomers vs. zoomers. Religious vs. non-religious. Etc. It is by design.
You will own nothing and you will be happy.
The parents failed them and society, remember these are the kids of gen x who are the second worse generation in the workforce.
I agree that the companies complain, but that is sadly a function of the incentives that management fights all the time. The major venture capitalists and investment firms demand maximum profit every quarter even if it costs the company in the long run. Its the fault of the government providing extremely perverse incentives to investors and then not understanding that by allowing companies to stop planning long term has left an economy that's on the brink of total collapse.
Sadly, the people who are going to be most hurt are often the ones cheerleading for the policies that have generated the disaster that we all can see coming, but can do nothing to prevent. The situation perfectly fits the saying. "The avalanche has started, the pebbles no longer have a vote."
If a company was willing to hire me and train me for a week or so instead of requiring me to get a worthless degree for thousands of dollars, that would earn more loyalty from me than I've ever shown an employer.
Embrace the power of BOTH!
CEOs once made 30-50 times the pay of their workers. It's 500x today.
T'is too much. Time to replace them with AI. You cannot replace for so easy and so cheap electric line installers and aqueduct repairmen. Today's CEOs are no longer enterprise-builders but actors, and it comes to no surprise that they are paid like Hollywood actors.
I'm 28. I work only as hard as my paycheck goes. If you're paying me a salary that won't even get me a downpayment for a house in 10 years, I'm going to put in the appropriate effort. Right now its a race to the bottom, even good employees are rotated out every 1-3 years so that they can hire someone cheaper and not have to pay large severance, benefits, pensions and other seniority perks. Lets be real here, I know I'm going to be gone in a year whether I work hard or not, I'm not getting ahead either way, so yeah I'm going to prioritize me. Every industry is getting flattened by strikes and layoffs so its straight up just going to happen. My primary goal is to learn so I can exit this nightmare and start my own business because these employers and HR staff are ice cold. Pre-covid I held jobs for 3-4+ years with nothing to show for it except a sore back and hip. Post-covid I've already been laid off 3 times since January because of this contractor economy despite bringing in hundreds of thousands of dollars in value to my employers.
yup
Now THAT is the reality. That's what I experienced in 2008. They throw you away when they are done with you and say they owe you nothin. I remember not having enough money to eat, going into credit card debt because I used up my $10,000 in savings, and being treated like sh!t at the jobs I managed to snag. Hope you can find a way to make things work, I got some lucky breaks and had to forgo having a house, a wife, or kids for most of my life. Got the house at age 30 in 2014 though at least. I couldn't have managed to swing anything if I had a family and from what I see it's even worse for the guys younger than me.
Working for the government or military is a lot better than corporate America. You have incompetent people in upper management that work hard trying not to work.
@@Ziegfried82
For my line of work, so many companies don't pay enough for the work that has to done and the inflation. It's just depressing how it's basically impossible for me to currently start paying for a house.
So I'm possibly about to study in something different that could offer me a better hope at being paid a wage I'll be able to make a family live with, once that comes.
Doesn't help so many children are being raised in broken and/or unstable households either.
@@Concordfan443 indeed
I'm 22 y/o submitted to 80+ jobs and only got three interviews with no success. Something is wrong with these employers too.
Nope, seriously, everyone is just sick of the whole generation. You're a bunch of cry babies.
Worked my butt off right out of HS after graduating 2020.
My school had internships for all sorts of stuff and I became a machinist. But was basically like a robot working production and had zero life. Got there while it was dark and left while it was dark.
The older I get and the more I learn and see.
Work dont get you squat. I think work is part of life. But I increasingly see why young people and even old folks are becoming disillusioned with the way things work. Crazy how working conditions havent improved in decades. Im definitely all for work life balance.
Working at this rate will never get me a house or family I can tell you that and I know others have it worse than me. Never got a job through applying. You have to know people.
And yeah we do have some lazy Gen Z. Such a pain to work with. But thats every generation.
Im working 10 hours days destroying my body in electrical work. Still not making enough to live comfortably on my own. I dont see any future with me in it at the way things are going.
Oh yeah and school definitely didnt prepare us for any of this. What a waste of time lol
What state are you in?
You have my respect for enduring it... maybe there’ll be more livable circumstances in our lifetime.
Feels like chronic illness is picking up too, but not sure if that’s just sampling bias (seeing it online where people with such conditions are going to spend more time and such)
@@ObsessedwithZelda2 Chronic illness?
@@baronvonjo1929 you have electrical experience? Want some advice?
@@ObsessedwithZelda2Not going to happen. Sorry :)
When the boomers start Dying, and Millenials age. These companies are gonna face the reality of having trained up nobody.
Because by that time Gen Z workers would have moved on to find some way to feed themselves and Gen Alpha would have watched Gen Z’s failure and go in a different direction.
Their will be a noticeable and drastic drop in skill levels in all major fields.
@@Mapple-qp6yg dunning-kruger is always active. The companies will not notice.
Then they will fail? The dumb get bought out and shut down by the more effective.
part of the plan more excuses to bring in people form outside the country
These GenZ people have got to meet the company halfway. You don’t get a participation trophy for showing up half the time, doing a half assed job, and complaining the whole time. Accompany is not going to waste their time on somebody. If they can’t get decent work out of the person that person is gone.
Oh, my job has already been suffering that for a while now. But it's only now that they're realizing that *_literally no one_* is trained properly unless they're older and coming from another job. Unfortunately for them, said people see the state of things and leave within the month. The only reason I'm still around is because it's close to home and I can't afford transportation.
And me training people doesn't work when management doesn't reinforce the training or hold them to any standard. I stopped bothering when they called someone that had been there three months "new" as an excuse for their incompetence.
Kids not working in high school and college. Part time jobs teach you how to work. 😮😮😮
My only concern? They might see my resume, notice that I got my degree in 2022, and think that I'm one of these..."people."
It's a rough job market in general, and NOBODY is safe.
If you have a job, whatever your complaints are - just remember that people in China/India/Mexico/etc willing to work longer hours for lower pay.
If you don't dress like an activist and believe in showing up on time and doing good work, I'd hire you.
You'll be fine. One of the brightest people I've worked with is Gen Z. Just shine on your own merit in the interview and I bet you'll be fine.
@@turntoyou I dress well.
I'm always on time.
Got to work on the work ethic (I have one and it's a good one...but clearly not what people think I should have...)
Don't include the year you got your degree. That's a big giveaway of your age.
What about the FAKE JOB POSTINGS?
Thank you. But are you talking about scams, or the businesses that keep help wanted signs up all year, collect 100's of applications, but never hire anyone?
That's a separate issue. Just because there's fake job postings, doesn't mean a lot of Gen Z's aren't a bunch of useless selfish brats.
@@Landstalker1999 I can only speak for my own experience. I've worked with plenty of 20 somethings now and other than a single example, they seem just as reliable as any other age group.
Your mileage may vary.
But I have heard from people of all ages, and levels of experience putting in applications at places who claim they can't find people to work.
So this is based on the people I talk to. Seems to me companies don't want enough people. They want to run a skeleton crew, because it's cheaper, even if it's going to end in failure in the long run.
@@Offramp-z7p look up the Wells Fargo case. ALSO Job Postings = Growth
@@Landstalker1999 Circular Reasoning?
Keep in mind this is the generation that says anxiety is a valid reason to miss work. So ridiculous.
@Chappellroan
Depends on severety. General anxiety is normal.
Disorders, on the other hand, can be very detrimental
@@joshuawadsworth6417and should be incredibly rare. If you personally know more than one person like this (and you aren’t a mental health worker treating clients) , then very hard questions need to be asked.
@daisyviluck7932 Its case by case. Can't rationally make a sweeping generalization without the nuance
Millennials literally started it. Such language was already in place before Gen Z was even old enough to drive 😂
Gen Z can't do the job because of their education! I've seen the homework and projects of my Gen Z co-workers, and they're full of mistakes!
I noticed that too! A few years ago, I was asked to help with a history assignment and when the print up was handed to me, I was flabbergasted. It wasn’t just wrong… it was full of misinformation! Stuff that had already been debunked! In a paper that told the students what to look for! I almost want to say it was about Egypt.
One child was so upset because he actually corrected the teacher because he remembered me telling him and showing him the documentary I was watching at the time and we looked it up together, but he was like 4 or 5 then.
I know teachers have it hard but how do you hire teachers that are activists and those that are stupid too?
@@leileyaravencroft most of what people my age "know" about history comes from Buzzfeed articles and stupid pop culture like Hamilton, Bridgerton, The Da Vinci Code, etc. They honestly believe that Alexander Hamilton was a POC, and that's just scratching the surface of their ignorance. These are "educated" people.
Common Core... No child... Left policies... And no fathers to correct it all.
@@leileyaravencroftThat's why teachers have it hard. They've made this mess. Hating men has a price.
@@talithakoum3922 I mean…the generations before you "knew" history from Kingdom of Heaven, Braveheart, and Silverado. All its sins on its head Hamilton doesn't portray a dude who toppled a dynasty because it wasn't coercing enough conversions to Islam, and would get ANGRY if you tried to have a conversation about something other than jihad, as a moderate secularist. Kingdom of Heaven did-the real Saladin was an absolute monster.
As someone who is Gen X who has worked with Millennials for years, but have started getting an influx of Gen Z folks during and after the pandemic, I can assure you a lot of these younger Gen Z folks do not want to work. Their work ethic is night and day to even the Millenials.
I don't just blame them though, it's a mix of them going through the isolation of the pandemic, lack of proper mentoring from school, etc. They are coming into the workforce without being hardened enough to endure the work life.
Good to know as an early wave millennial. At least we aren’t gen z level atrocious
I always view Millennials as two groups. The older Millennials are very different from the younger Millennials and often hate them. There tends to be a very different mindset. When I was in school, that whole "victim mentality" was starting and people tried to push me into it, but I didn't go for it. But the younger ones did.
Thanks. "Gen Y"/ "Oregon Trail Gen" Millennial here; totally agree. I feel much more comfortable among Gen X / fellow 80s Millennials than with 1990s Millennials.
There are exceptions. My daughter complains about 90% of her z coworkers.
Not the best school work ethic, but is loyal, almost to a fault, to her company.
They’re a bunch of stupid entitled babies that haven’t grown up at ALL. You can say it.
I’m a guy in my mid-fifties..I found Gen Z very hardworking but not realistic ; they would make “urgent” demands on other departments and call your professionalism into question if you could not make it happen the next day.
Poor education system, increase outsourcing, increased automation+Ai and having the pandemic go on during pivotal developmental years........ Yeah i wonder why Gen Z is struggling.
It was just. One. Year.
@@cannedparmesan3996 lock down were really close 1 and 1/2 years. Imagine having to do college during those circumstances. Definitely ruined education.
Eventually the outsourcing will be replaced by ai
I recently got an email from my alma mater (a US military service academy) celebrating how they're "bringing back" marching. MARCHING. They got rid of MARCHING. IN THE MILITARY.
We are going to pay for what we've done to these kids. I mean, at the civilizational level. We might not survive it.
Good.
Yes, yes you are. It's unacceptable what's happened to Gen Z.
I'm pretty sure that the USA could survive just fine without military parades. And the days of soldiers marching in tight formation across battlefields are long gone, too.
@@RokuroCarisu You're missing the point. Marching taught discipline. It's an exercise in mastering an ultra-basic task and learning how to work in a group. It's not about needing to march long term, although it's still good for readiness. It's about teaching the discipline you need in many disciplines.
@@Harley_MitchellyEXACTLY!
My son is TECHNICALLY gen Z but he HATES that term because he doesn't want lumped in with the 'idiots'.
The education. system is failing along with parents. My children’s friends were surprised that our children had to do chores.
Wow. Children should have chores. Period. Even if it is only in the confines of cleaning their own plates, cleaning after their own pets, washing their own laundry, and cleaning their own room, after they have the proper motor function to do so. They don't even have to clean the whole house! Just their stuff! It helps with independence and dicipline
It is shocking to me (Gen Z)
Those Gender Studies degrees are not paying off for Gen Z
Of course not everyone knows it is the critical race theory where the money is but only if it is combined with underwater basket weaving
Weird. It's almost as if people only really care if you can do the dang job.
Neither are the business degrees, tbh…
@@BillLaBrie Because the market is over saturated with them. A lot of them would have done better to learn a trade. Despite Cali's craziness, nothing moves without trucks. Trucks that need diesel mechanics to keep rolling. Among many other trades that have steady work. At least when the economy isn't being driven head first into the ground by Washington DC, London etc.
@@Wastelandman7000 The problem there is these genz kids were raised in a feminized world of niceness and emotional competence. Speaking from experience, trucking is not that world.
Just saying....this is all a repeat of 2008. The same garbage was said about us Millenial's...right before and during an economic turndown.
Merit is a must in life. You need to have the skills and passion to do the job.
Agreed
Well skills at least, if the Job is easy or "passion" then it's a career.
The passion part is hard when a lot of modern day employees have such little company loyalty. It's encouraged to job hop once every three years or so, but I think many do less.
@terracannon876 well, companies got rid of their job security, benefits, and started firing people every quarter to look good for the earning calls
You also need grit in order to last long, most of the gen z I see whine about almost anything. They wouldn't last long in my industry and the ones that do good are an exception.
You know I have been seeing a lot of stuff like this aimed at Gen Z and to be honest it just feels like another turn in the cycle of life. I remember when people dunked on Millennials for being lazy or entitled and I am sure generations before them also were called lazy and entitled by old folks. Are some of the young generation lazy sure, however some of them are hard working individuals. The older I get the more I think grouping people just by age is as stupid as lumping people together via skin color.
Not going to lie, my first thought was “gee, where have I heard this before…word for word, at that…”.
Nah. Grouping people by age is accurate AF. There will be some exceptions of course but for the most part Gen z are a mess.
@@koldemperor8474 Yeah Gen z is a mess, but look through history and you will see every generation going back to the stone age was a mess.
Reminds me of when I was reading about the soldiers who fought in WW2. Before WW2 they were considered lazy and unintelligent and the reason why the world was in such shit state during the 30s. Then they went off and fought the Nazis and Japanese, liberated countries, saved thousands of lives from concentration camps and are now regarded as Heros and the Greatest Generation there ever was.
Now I'm not saying that Gen Z is going to be the greatest gen around, however it seems every generation gets dogged on from the older ones, and I wouldn't judge a gen just by the actions of a few. I've met many, many Gen Zers who are extremely hard working, respectful, and all around good people. Although I am from rural America so geographics could play a part in that.
@@ktj9655
Hooo boy the large cities are wretched hives of scum and villainy. You know how bad a city is with how lightly they treat homeless turned criminals and encourage Crime Cultures.
My daughters friend never went to college but won't work at any job . Unless she makes over 100 grand a year.
6 weeks paid vacation and 6 to 12 days off for sick pay.
She is looking for a job and living on government aid.
Yeah, I'm a younger millennial and I'm currently looking for a new IT job. Yet I'm doing so due to my contract ending.
Can't say much for gen Z, but I blame the college system. Instead of indoctrinating kids they need to make Internships and what not mandatory for graduation.
I was partly screwed over since Internships weren't mandatory and I wasted years working jobs that I hated until I went to trade school for IT.
Bad time to enter IT right now. Early years starting out is gonna suck but after a few years, you'll be past the contract jobs
@@nobodynothing1469 yeah, at least the job that my contract is ending with gave me 2 years experience. Yet the bad thing is that I'm still more or less entry level. Right now I'm trying to complete the Google IT Support Specialist IT cert and get my Net+ certificate. I'm glad to have renewed my A+ cert though.
Eventually I want to specialize in software development though which would harken back to my Bachelor's degree in game design. But I have to keep earning different certs before I can specialize though just to ensure that I can get IT experience.
I had two Gen Z interns over the summer, they are not prepared. I have no idea what the schools are teaching them. These were IT interns and one of them made all his variable "global" because he was told by his professor that it was the correct way to write code. I had to teach them git, I had to teach them how to unit test and more. They said they learned more in the 3+ months they worked on my team than their 3 years in school. School is broken.
@nobodynothing1469 no. Ai is here. Only networking and full stack is left.
@@SamBalducciduh. We were taught html instead of CCS....in 2010. We were 12 years behind. IT died in 2017. Dam Gen X.
I'm in college rn. I laughed when they told me this is how every conversation is supposed to go. "Hello, what are your pronouns? (YOU MUST ASK EVERY TIME. Their pronouns may have changed during the 5 minutes they were in the bathroom) Why do you want the report done by end of day? What does having the report done by the end of the day mean to you? Why do you want to know when I'll have the report done? What does having the report done mean to you? Why do you want me to stop asking questions?" That's it for everything. Always ask why, you don't need to actually answer the question. I also agree that I don't feel particularly prepared for my field, which is accounting. I am now reading supplementary books to fill in the gaps. I don't know if you understand how frustrating it is that like 90% of my relevant, actually usable knowledge, which I've obtained over the course of 3 years, was all covered in a 65 page book. Even the premise that 42k of college is the equivalent of a $15 book is insane. What am I even paying for???
Get your enrolled agent. Worry about CPA later. EA will get you hired in the door.
If you are in an interview and they ask what your pronouns are get up and leave
What classes are you taking??
Aren't CPA and EA certifications less about the actual number crunching and more about the _absurd_ amount of financial laws you need to know? EAs aren't so much accountants as hyper-specialized lawyers who also do a lot of math. The IRS has its own court, and _only_ EAs are allowed to argue in it. That's right, not even lawyers are allowed to defend you in front of the IRS. Only EAs.
What were they TEACHING in those classes if not the laws? Basic Excel and its formulas will cover the math.
@@Dryloch I've never heard of enrolled agent. This can only mean great things for my education.
So you're telling me that all those kids that came up from a system where corporations failed to prepare them an work with institutions like they used to can't handle it
The collages failed them, and then took all there money.
*their
Colleges
It failed you too.
"Their." Looks like they took yours as well.
@winterlantern5695 no dropped out...CURSE YOU MS EXEL..DAM YOU TO HECK. U failed that class 3 times. ..and it was required....until they dropped it 4 years latter...WHO CARES ABOUT EXEL THEMES . Ev
I saw what you did there. 😂
I think it depends on the job field. I have three Gen Z kids. One nurse, one HVAC apprentice, and one AI software developer. They’re all killing it and never lived at home after high school. Granted the youngest graduated in 2019 before the pandemic.
They’re doing it right 🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾
There’s a reason that for millennia, people would seek out the wisdom of the village elder and not the village teenager.
There are flaws in both approaches, the Village Elder is usually stuck in his ways, the village teenager doesn't fully grasp the consequences of his choices.
I work with a few. The ones I work with call in sick all the time, try to push their work on to others and they are about 60% as productive as a average employee
I'm Gen Z and I literally got hired today 😂.
@@sincerelynotme3522 Are you trying to say you're a hard worker? Or that you won't last long?
@varanid9 Well, I lasted long at my last job, I don't see why that wouldn't be the case at my new one.
@@sincerelynotme3522 congratulations! Please know you got to bust your butt in the beginning. I hope you become a reliable co worker and stick with the job
@Automage45 They thew a lot at me my first day, but they said I'd get used to it the more I work. It's not as labor intensive as my last job ( car accident, my back procedure is in October) but it should be fine.
They’re mostly getting rid of the free loaders. Saw the same as a Gen Xer when I was at the same stage in my career.
Some hard working and competent Gen Zers will unfortunately just be unlucky and have been working for either the wrong company or person.
Walmart is a good example, plenty trying to get to a different position only to get turned away
This always happens with every generation. Eventuallyz the ones that rise to the top have enough skill, experience and willpower to cobble together enough value to be in the positions that need filling.
If we spend less time on our phones and on screens in general, we will find out that there is actually more time to do stuff. It's amazing how many minutes, potentially hours, we lose each day just to scroll on social media.
Says a guy in a thread two thousand comments long 😅
@@melanimatejak6821 hey, I'm not taking myself out. I definitely blame myself for the countless hours I've spent on the comment section of youtube videos arguing with people. But I'm trying to cut down on other forms of social media, like facebook and instagram.
These people aren't kids, they are 25, some married with kids and bills to pay.
To be fair I'd trust a 25 year old far more than a 16 year old making my big mac.
Yeah, the 25 year old knows what he has to make to keep up his lifestyle. And keep earning to avoid divorce or afford alimony.
@@PreferredCustomer oof yeah the men still getting married I just don't get it. Putting yourself in that kind of situation is exactly what the corpos want, it's why they had a bias (may still have a bias I dunno) of wanting to hire married men!
@@PreferredCustomer "the 25 year old knows what he has to make" That's right, a very well put together Big Mac baby!
@@Ziegfried82 It's because you've got to live now. People have known this sorrow in the 3rd world for ages. Now it's America's turn.
The past few years i've heard of family members, coworkers and neighbours who have reached the retirement age, but are asked to stay on because they can't find any qualified people and gen Z only wants cosy desk jobs.
Off course the retirees say no and leave the company to finally start enjoying their lives.
Who wouldn't?
Can't blame them. The system failed, not just the education system but the corporate system.
A lot of Gen Z want remote work from home jobs. We struggle with getting them to come into the office workplace and when they do, the complaints about why they have to be there are non-stop. When they work remote, it is very difficult to reach them and we often wonder if they are even at their laptops at home.
They aren't getting "fired". They are being given unlimited (and unpaid) "mental health days". 😂
Wow, this is really saying something given how companies have been quick to fire more experienced(and thus higher-salaried) employees and replace them with recent college grads for a long time now. The quality of the graduates must have really tanked for them to stop that particular bit of penny-pinching.
The more experienced people also get layed off.
@@rowantic6539 Yes, that is what firing means.
@@DC-FGC i know, but you comment says that more experienced employees are fired and replaced by college grads. But now they are just fired without being replaced it seems.
I doubt it's quality. The trend of hiring graduates died the moment companies realized they spend a lot less money outsourcing work to developing and third-world nations. Why spend money on training when you can spend at most a tenth of that cost setting up a foreign branch?
Outsourcing is good for their pocketbooks, bad for the future of the country.
Entitlement is not a marketable skill. Not all of them are that way, but the ones who are are BADDDD
Boomers and Xers were entitled to in-tact, ethnically homogenous societies, which provided them with social safety nets, high-trust neighbourhoods, low crime rates and job security. Why SHOULDN'T zoomers be entitled in the same manner? Can you answer that?
@@JunjiItoDougWalker Because the times have changed. It's not the 70s or 80s anymore. Everything is inflated, internet information is widespread, and because the previous generation was successful, their offspring believe that whatever their parents earned/treated is also supposed to be applied to them.
Every generation has its own difficulties. We don't see them because they are overshadowed by the achievements they made.
We dont know what to do with our college grads because they are severly underskilled to previous college grads
Imagine that! We pushed this idea that collage will guarantee a good job, then start firing them when they only have collage experience. Gen Z has gotten nothing but a raw deal from the womb to today and it will get much, much worse.
They're not being fired for only having college or they wouldn't have been hired in the first place. It's the arrogant, entitled attitude that's getting them fired.
yeah I guess but.... when you turn 18 your problems are YOUR FAULT. They don't get a pass because they decided that leftist lunatics aren't just obnoxious liars. It should have dawned on you that they were crazy. If it didn't then this is all your own fault. Fix it by becoming useful to somebody besides your phone.
Lol Zoomers think work is slavery and they deserve free money and food just for existing and playing computer games all day.
That's mostly because college experience has come down to indoctrination by the cult of Critical Theory at this point.
@@varanid9My millenial boss takes multiple vacations while all my gen z coworkers were working hard putting in overtime hours. All were fired or layed off by that boss. I don't buy it.
It's called "Adding Value." If a person is not going to add value to the company, they are not helping the company to expand (or least keep status quo). A company has to always expand reach. A person who is in it for themselves is a liability.
They called Gen X lazy.
They called Millenials lazy
They called Gen Z lazy.
It never ends.
A broken clock is right twice a day.
I think I remember hearing that either Plato or Socrates wrote that the youth of their day were lazy. This trend has been around as long as human civilization.
Humans are always full of themselves. So easy to point out the faults of others while ignoring your own. You are right... it never ends. Most people will go to destruction for it.
But we are dealing with behavioural-modifying issues that have never been present in previous generations - e.g. social media. There's a lot of research now that shows how attention spans and moods have been significantly altered by this.
they are firing and outsourcing for cheap labor. dont believe these articles
My experiences with workers under 30:
One girl who had worked for GM refused to come in on days that were GM observed holidays--she no longer worked for GM and we don't observe all of those holidays.
Another young worker (a male) couldn't handle that we did things differently than the construction company he used to work for... I think all of this is an example of why we're having problems with people not being able to understand that there are some gray areas in life even with our interests and hobbies, and not just in the workaday world.
Several people called it, businesses finally figured out the majority of college grads paid 100K for the paper and skipped the training.
Gen Z got robbed. Gen Alpha is getting robbed. Feel so bad for them
Yea it ain't the Gen Z, it's the ones who mostly raised them and millenials, the Gen X entitled brats. They view themselves as gods.
There are more entitled and spoiled Gen Zs than there are more matured and responsible Gen Zs. This is coming from Gen Z and I seen it first hand
Ongggggg and those people are in their twenties (I’m 24 mind you)
Not all of us gen z is screwed yet. I come from a city where the local tech college is booming. A lot of my friends and I went to college there for two years and learned a trade. Then we were able to go out and quickly find good jobs. There’s a huge market for skilled labor right now. If you’re willing to work, go learn a trade people.
Does video editing count as a trade, I was born in 1999 and I have autism (level 1), and I always have been interested in audio visual (movies, series, animations, you call it), so I always wanted to somewhere in that area.
Aside from the 'I don't want to Work' mindset and the increased Wokeness and automation: I am NOT surprised that most Industries are going out of Business, every business should Bring back meritocracy and work Ethic, my generation is NOT faring Better
They don't even know what a woman is. What other outcome could there be.
It's not that they "don't know what a woman is", it's that there exist fringe cases of people who can't fit into an objective definition of a woman, and they want to be inclusive and avoid endorsing a cut-and-dry category boundary.
They don't even know what they are, never mind what a woman is.
@@TimNeumann-ge9qk TIL Millennials are collecting retirement........
@@TimNeumann-ge9qk You literally made his point .
@@TimNeumann-ge9qk Dude think's his parents generation is the one that defined what a woman is... They defined nothing, they accepted the definitions that have been passed down for ages. It's only the recent generation who has started to create new definitions for old words. (I say that, but that's not really even true as they don't give you a new definition. All we ever get is that it's impossible to define)
Coming from an older millennial, there are two big things I'm noticing. First, there is a massive mismatch of expectations and standards on both sides. Gen Z has unrealistically high standards and expectations for what they want out of an employer, and likewise employers have demoralizing standards and expectations of what they want from workers. They are too far apart and neither is very willing to compromise. The second issue is there is a massive bottleneck in career progression. For a long time there has been a huge amount of workforce bloat at the middle levels. The past few years companies have been trimming that fat as much as they can, so the opportunities have essentially been cut off. Boomers and older workers refuse to leave the workforce, clutching on to their long held positions. So with nowhere to advance to, middle aged millennials are still working the same positions they were when they were fresh out of college. So you end up with dinosaurs at the senior level refusing to budge, bitter middle aged workers in entry level positions, and only a handful of highly competitive jobs in between. The ugly truth is, there's no room in the current situation. Either boomers need to hang it up, or companies need to invest in the workforce again.
@@Taken1000x yeah happened to me in my job, my boss stayed way past retirement cause it was such a cushy job that paid well, it stunted my growth and made me bitter I eventually left and a year later they closed that department because that boss couldn't do my work
Been stuck at entry level for almost twenty years so I completely see this.
Speaking as a (very reluctant) Gen Zer myself, I can pretty confidently say we had this coming for a while. Turns out not learning trades or general life skills at all can backfire horrendously. "Learn to code" wasn't a taunt, it was genuine life advice many of us discarded out of an arrogant sense of inflated self-worth.
It used to be a trend to try to get older people to quit so that companies could hire fresh, less expensive, college hires to do the jobs. Sure, the college grads didn't know what they were doing, but they could generally pick it up after a year or two. This used to be a good way to save money for big corporations. These days, they can't do this anymore. The college grads genuinely cannot do the jobs. They can't do much of anything. They lack all work skills. Even millennials had some kind of work experience. Gen Z got out of college, in most cases, without a single day of work experience. This is problem because the older you get, the harder it is to change and learn. This is why it's harder for older people to learn new languages or change life habits. For young people, this means that if they didn't work before they got out of college, they're essentially worthless in the job market.
This is why I'm so glad my niece just got a paid internship at a very competitive place! Got her foot in the door, got to see the work place, get to know the people there, and some experience. I've told her to make sure to learn from people who have been doing it for a while. It's okay if she doesn't know everything yet, and it's a good chance to ask people who have decades of experience.
Millenials couldn't do the jobs either. Only now, they have enough of a broad base of skills being flexible in 2 year jobs to be somewhat hireable and trainable.
Gen Z have to go through the same poop drain of hard knocks.
@@PreferredCustomer only exception is gen Z is objectively inferior in all measurable aspect for the first time
It is not true about older ppl and ability to learn and especially language learning. It is only question of personal interest and priorities.
"They can't do the job"
It's not that they can't, it's that they aren't getting trained period. Back in the day you'd get trained to take the position. Now training is seen as an annoyance to these companies and so they'll keep relying on Old Man Rivers for his expertise until he's pushing up daisies.
Then they'll fold their arms, think for a bit, then outsource a bunch of the work for cheap to foreign economies because that's what America is good for these days.
I work in a brand new retail furniture store, commission only, good money if you work hard. Out of the 3 Gen Z's hired and I trained with , only 1 left. They couldn't handle the job, were lazy, made excuses all the time. One of them was 20 years old and already had like 10 jobs! They never lasted. they complained they had to work weekends in a retail environment.
i wish to work oh my mackaronies, my friend had a good job, got like 1000euro/month, cnc programmer job, and the ceo started talked at him, and he did ragequit his job... Imagine if youre American, that 1000euro in serbia equal to 90-110k to america. And he dont wanna work... He achieved that even with no Highschool, just a cnc school that lasted him 6months
It's the cotton wool generation. They went through school getting awards for participating, rather than winning. Were only given postitive reinforcement, not constructive criticism. In University, they got taught that inclusion is more important than ability. They aren't prepated for a competitive workplace.
The Cost of Living is jacking people up
Yeah, this is bullshit to an extent. Coming from an elder mil here. Times have changed. My granddad was a friggen department head at a Raleys and could support a family of 4. Now a days a college degree is a damn near requirement. I was told that College were for those who wanted the better things in life. Didn't interest me. So I stuck with my HSD and busted my ass at menial jobs. Was taught a few things and it really didn't end up meaning much.
Uncle was a Navy vet and an electrical engineer who ended up working on Semi-conductors at a company. Who then laid him off and shipped the jobs to Sri Lanka.
sick of participating rewards system, kids should be driven to set goals, to win, not just get by
Aka toxic positivity.
@@CT-yc4gd A college degree is not a requirement, unless you are trying to be a Doctor, a Lawyer, a Business Owner, a Tech Specialist, or a Teacher. The colleges have all brainwashed us into believing this is not the case. But this has always been the case. Without a degree, you can still be all sorts of important things. Things like a Cop, a firefighter, an EMT, a soldier, a mail carrier, a construction worker... just to name a few. And most of those are good paying "blue-collar" work. Kids today are simply too lazy to want to work those jobs, unless they are children of IMMIGRANTS!
So a lot of Gen Z is getting a rude awakening that been needed and they'll either end up homeless or stuck in dead end jobs that go nowhere!!
University used to prepare you for a professional work life by teaching you to work independently and think critically. Thus an employer in the dogfood industry could hire a history graduate knowing that graduate could master that job with minimal on the job training and be an asset for the company. Now universities are degree mills and teach their students to NOT think critically, but regurgitate dogma. They are activist training facilities now. University graduates are useless now for employers and it is about time employers woke up to this fact.
And that’s why I quit my tenured job as a math professor and regret getting any of my degrees.
Sounds like they are plenty woke up.
So, it is starting to be a global norm that it isn't reasonable and profitable to hire anyone born after 1994 or 1995 because "they don't have enough experience and skills" but "instead need hand-holding orientation when they start in the workplace and don't know how to do anything until someone teaches them first". And previously recruiters have confirmed that nowadays they ignore job applications based on the birth year alone and then throw them away without even contacting the applicants to tell them why they were not selected for the job.
Is it unreasonable to teach new employees how to do their job?
@@pablobronstein1247 Possibly, but first we need yo ask that when did it even become the task of workplaces, employers and other employees to orientate and teach them when, according to the companies, the interruption due to the newcomer slows down the work and the pause takes away from the efficiency and company's income?
@@pablobronstein1247
No.
But its extremely unreasonable for someone who has been with the company for a six months or a year to still "require extensive coaching" on how to to the most basic duties of their job and then turn around making demands for pay raises or promotions because they see other employees in their position who've mastered their job assignments getting bumped up the ladder or getting a nice fat raise in lieu of a promotion as a reward for a job well done.
Gen Z just inherited the same rigged game as the millennials.
The only sad thing is that it seems to be the norm now....not the exception.
@@danielmalinen6337 Emplyee training was the norm 70 years ago. If line going up is the only valuable goal then your countries young people are liability and immigrants need to fill cheap out-of-the-box-trained workforce. O tempora o mores. It's all a bad gamble.
I'm gen z and i can't even get hired. I need a job so bad 😢 no car at 22 i feel like such a loser
Try Walmart Cart Attendant or Target Cart Attendant and save up for a used car between 12-15k.
Heard San Francisco was hiring Human Feces Collectors for their Department of Sanitation l.
Walmart Warehouse is a very tough job physically, but pays really well.
I'm 29 and have never owned a car btw, so you're not the only one.
Ah yes work for the already super wealthy conglomerates, good strats. Maybe instead start ones own business?
@@DrawinskyMoon I only worked for Walmart for 1.5 years. But you do what you gotta do to earn money. Starting my own business didn't work out for me.
I agree with Geeky, we need to bring back apprenticeships. It worked for the founders it'll work now.
Nobody can find work now unless you have a specialied skill. If your a slow learner. Good luck finding an employer willing to keep you around long enough to figure I out.
Unless you check the right check boxes, then they hire you on the sport. But if your qualified and have a college degree in a real field you worked to get, good luck.
Doesnt matter even if you're a fast learner. Businesses forgot how to look for smart, skilled, and talented people. Its all fake qualification and certifications now.
no jobs in cafe or convini?
As a Sr Advertising Exec I have found Gen Z shows up with a week of experience but want the pay of someone who has been in the industry for 15 years. When we do hire them, they often cry at work, and find a million excuses to not show up. We have to hear their opinions all the time because they yell it, even when not asked. This is an issue with corporate work where they have to interact with 40 to 50 year old C level executives. They also have a habit of ratting everyone out for one thing or another, and it's always over something stupid.
@@bicyclelife7088 ratting someone out over what for example?
Based. Good for them not settling for scraps like pathetic boomers or Xers
@@pspmaster2071 meaning they complain to management and HR over whatever hurt their feels that day. It doesn't take much. They are emotionally weak overall.
@@bicyclelife7088 I don't see that where I work and there are lots of young people in the corporate engineering office. Maybe you just got a special batch. Also keep this in mind, a lot of people who call others soft crumble EASILY when you give them a dose of the same treatment.
Yes. Yoy forget about sth, how they are entitled. A girl that came as a newbe to work, first week of her work or rather training, no experience, does not know anything and started to critisize older person who trained her behind her back. First opinions on whatever, she would do it better than somebody more experienced. Not doing it. And the problem was she felt entitled to higher grade's pay just because like that. Plus no responsibility, pushing her work on others etc. When they have hired 3 like this and i had to clean after them i quit. Sorry, i am not going to do a kindergarten for grown up adults that are payed for nothing while their duties were pilled up on me.
I'm a gen z with a high school diploma and I work as an auto tech. I've worked hard even with the time cuts we got for a few months, but the issue is that for what it's worth, life is too expensive these days to save much money. For the past 2 weeks as an experiment, I've slowly made progress, but only subsided on beans, rice and tuna as a meal option with some fruit. I'm aware I'll be working until my bones fall apart which may be sooner than later, but it's all I have as I'm not one to attend college and succeed. If it were the economy we had when I was younger, I'd probably be doing alright.
I was born in 1986, and I think even my generation wasn't prepared for the real world for the most part, but at least we had electronics and metal shop and home economics and PE and stuff in school, kids today aren't taught anything of actual practical to use in the real world in highschool anymore... i know it's beating a dead horse, but i think the boomer generation caused this issue, though, as usual not everyone, just the ones that matter.
Yes. They did. Especially late boomers. They were the hippies.
It's worth noting that a lot of companies these days have younger CEOs/founders, particularly in the tech and new media industry. Some of them even belong to Gen Z. HR departments are also primarily staffed by the younger generation.
"I was born in 1986, and I think even my generation wasn't prepared for the real world for the most part, but at least we had electronics and metal shop and home economics and PE and stuff in school, kids today aren't taught anything of actual practical to use in the real world in high school anymore...."
This is very true.
I have the fortune to work Gen Zers who have the requisite knowledge, skills, and attitude to do well and make the world a better place but I see a whole lot of them on Reddit and TH-cam who just want to get paid to play around on their phones.
requisite knowledge, skills, and attitude to do what? I’m not seeing any true innovation or art or culture being built. All I see are old men stuffing their pockets while complaining about the young mules not working at their pace. Aren’t we just chasing our own tails at this point. Earning pointless money for pointless things by pointless people. Instead we are making ugly cities for ugly people with little to no community.
TBF For the last 20 years and maybe longer there has been a fallacy that "IF YOU GO TO COLLEGE YOU'LL MAKE A MILLION DOLLARS MORE THAN SOMEONE WHO DOESNT..." so they're definitely coming out with that.
Here I am struggling to get a job.
You’re not the only one here
Me too
Ditto. Been out of work almost a year and still applying for jobs
It's another 2008 type situation, I'm not gonna give you the BS platitudes a lot of the older folks are giving because I remember how it was for me during those times. The USA's treatment of employees is terrible overall and there are very few unions.
@@Ziegfried82it's not just the US, and even with a decent masters and work experience i can't even get an internship....
MTSU for the advertisements for the college of teaching, it literally says "become a teacher, create social change" teachers are not supposed to create social change, they are there to teach the next generation. We already knew that one of the big problems with public education is liberal teachers trying to force their viewpoints onto kids instead of teaching, but coming right out and advertising it is insane. I laugh every time i walk by these signs and flags that they have along the walk to the student union building.
I worked in a small cafe with college students in 2018 and I had to micromanage these kids and constantly appease unhappy customers who were confused and disgusted by how they were treated. I heard "check your privilege" uttered many times by coworkers as they retreated to the back and left orders unfulfilled.
I guess the tech companies have ended their young adult daycare programs.
The ones that realized they need to make a profit have.
All that Venture capital money dried up with no more renewal.
Having mentored Gen Z interns in the Corporate Office environment I found leveling expectations was all they needed. Where left to “read minds” of assigned supervisors they of course floundered…
I wish it was easier for GenZ, life is hard and sometime you are your own worst enemy. Live and learn young ones.
It’s funny how the older generations say that the younger generations have it quote on quote “easy”, but in reality, right now, the younger generations are having it harder to find a job and don’t know what the hell they’re doing. If anything, the older generations are having it easy not having to deal with it.
@@Lion_Patriot yes, we certainly didn't have the sames difficulties. It was different and this skew our judgement of the GenZ. We judge them on the difficulties we got, not on their difficulties, which can and is totally different that ours. Ultimatly we must have faith in the younger generations, humans are strong and adaptive. They will conquer their demons and succeed eventually.
Who took away the real world experience?
We had absolutely zero of that in the state run incarceration centers they called schools.
The same people who run the world and have planted the bull were seeing now. Seriously look into the Rockefellers and how they changed the schools etc.
The bar is so low and Gen z still can’t meet it. I had a gen z co worked tell me that “it triggers (their) ‘PTSD’ to have to make a work phone call.”
A) what trauma causes ptsd for a phone call?
B) what employee in an office can successfully communicate without calling their clients?
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Lemme guess was a woman.
@@nietname2468 yup.
@@madisonbadger9454 not surprised, the women of my generation are literally toxic in anyway. However for us Males of this generation, it's fubar even if we want to work.
Unfortunately its those type of people that stands out the most. Im gen z and i don’t have a problem calling a stranger on the phone. I’ve done it before, and i know some people get anxiety just by calling on the phone but it’s never this bad where they claim it triggers their “PTSD”.
I bet that girl won't have any PTSD triggered when she's calling to collect unemployment check once she's let go.