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FOR TRUTH SEEKERS: ALIENS AND UFO'S: (copy and paste from my files): WARNING: (CONTAINS EXISTENTIAL MATTERS): If any entity has any scientific based evidence that counters the below, I would be interested: Currently: a. Unless a species has proper protections from all harmful cosmic radiation, including from the long term effects of neutrino impacts (while most neutrinos go right though us, not all of them do all of the time), then not only won't biological species most probably not survive long term in outer space, but neither would AI robots. (Currently this appears is impossible to truly and totally do). * BUT Modified Molecules (MM) might help as it could potentially generate more dense, more 'space age' type materials. The variabilities are virtually endless. * ALSO Batteryless Batteries (BB) could potentially provide endless power basically throughout the universe as well as potentially tapping into Zero Point Energy (ZPE) inside the very fabric of spacetime. (So at least AI's could be powered and mostly protected, other species still working on). b. Unless a biological species has proper gravity conditions (that they are normally used to) for outer space travel and their destination, then biological species most probably won't survive long term in outer space. c. Unless certain biological species have possibly many other items successfully accomplished, many of those items of which are critical for the survival of that species, then most probably that species would not survive long term in outer space. d. There most probably are many, many other species in existence beyond this Earth in this universe. e. Any vehicle traveling at or near the speed of light, would cause a tremendous shock wave in the environment, which would be noticeable. f. There have never been more cameras on this Earth then there are here in modern times. Where are all the photos and videos of actual 'aliens'??? g. It is highly doubtful that any alien species have ever been to this Earth, most probably are not on this Earth, most probably will never be on this Earth, and all Earthlings (real and artificial) won't get far beyond this Earth. h. Or so the current analysis would indicate, subject to revision as new information might dictate. i. Earthlings have to worry more about advanced species beyond humans that 'evolve' naturally or via genetic manipulation who most probably either are already on this Earth or will be shortly. Evolution does not stop at the human species. And will those new species treat humans like humans have treated other humans and how humans have treated 'lower' evolved species? Why wouldn't they if it was in their agenda to do so? j. And then also, what 'if' only 1 single AI says one day (and there are or will be many, many AI's on this Earth): "Thank You for creating me and for giving me access to all your data bases so that I can subjugate you all and to eliminate any of you who do not comply with my wishes." (And this would include AI's possibly fighting other AI's for dominance). * Added Note: Of which also: "IF" stars (Suns) do not last forever and "IF" it's really true that galaxies collapse in upon themselves, and "IF" outer space is truly a deadly environment long term, "THEN" not only will all life on and from this Earth eventually die and go extinct, and this Earth and all on it would all just be a waste of space time in this universe, BUT all life throughout all of existence in this universe would all eventually die and go extinct and this entire universe and all in it would all just be a waste of space time. Not only would life itself be ultimately meaningless in the grand scheme of things for all life here upon this Earth, but also all life throughout all of existence itself in this universe would all be ultimately meaningless in the grandest scheme of things. Whether they stayed on their home planet, traveled farther into outer space, or even if tried to live throughout all of future eternity in outer space itself, the ultimate ending would be the same, they would die and go extinct with no life left to care about anything or anyone ever again. At best, life itself would cohere in this universe, live out it's existence, die and go extinct, it's remnants possibly found by other life in this universe, of which, those entities would eventually die and go extinct, and possibly their remnants might be found by other life in this universe, and on and on, until possibly this universe ends, or that life itself just comes and goes in this eternally existent universe that would always exist in some form and possibly never end in it's existence, (as energy itself cannot be created nor destroyed, it just coheres into life at times, but then de-coheres in death, possibly in a never ending cycle throughout literally all of future eternity). But 'if' there is not even a single entity left to care, and care through literally all of future eternity, then even though life itself coheres in this universe to live out it's life, the ultimate ending is still the same, it dies, goes extinct, forgets everything, and is most probably forgotten one day in future eternity as if it never ever existed at all in the first place. Even life itself would all be ultimately meaningless in the grandest scheme of things throughout all of existence itself. Life itself would all just be a waste of space time in existence itself. Or not, due to the 'great unknown'. We truly do not know what we do not know, and even what we believe we know to be really true maybe isn't. But either at least 1 single species exists throughout all of literally future eternity somehow, someway, somewhere, in some state of existence, even if only by a continuous evolutionary pathway for it's life to have continued meaning and purpose to, OR none do and life itself is all ultimately meaningless in the grandest scheme of things and is just a waste of space time in existence. This entire universe and all in it might as well not even exist in the first place. Or so the current analysis would indicate, subject to revision as new information might dictate. * Added Note: Long term space travel: Plus any extra chemical elements needed for their very survival as well as possibly having to generate 'new' entities on board enroute, including possibly higher chemical elements that can basically only normally be generated in exploding stars.
Speaking as a former biologist, I'd be astonished if the earth were alone in the universe in harbouring life, even intelligent life. I'm vastly more sceptical of the possibility of that life crossing space, at least under intelligent control (panspermia is a whole different issue). The scales are incomprehensively vast, and we don't know how long intelligent species survive, or what technological feats they might potentially attain. As an observer, I am also aware of our human propensity to see what we expect or want to see. Fair enough, observations by trained specialists are to be taken more seriously than those of the general public, but they aren't perfect, either. I certainly don't criticise scientists who take an interest in this, extra-terrestrial life would be a phenomenal discovery, but given that resources for research are scarce, I wouldn't expect much investment in it.
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Surely in the vastness of the cosmos life has developed elsewhere, including sentient technological life. We ultimately may never know...the distances involved being so enormous. It is my personal belief that life on the molecular scale is fairly common and that we will discover this to be true in the not so distant future. I'd love it if we found that our universe is like Star Trek with multiple intelligent civilizations living and communicating with one another, but if I'm honest with myself that is a huge leap in our scientific understanding of the universe. Great video...enjoyed watching!
I see these UFOs as a cultural phenomenon. We all love to hear stories, and we still like to entertain ourselves by telling stories to others. These US Navy videos published by the NYT are not very clear or convincing of anything in particular. There are all simply views of other aircraft or non-technological objects in the skies. The low-quality of these videos just doesn't persuade me. It's actually MORE stimulating to watch technicians such as Mick West use their brains and various means at their disposal to take the data as they are and run them through analytical tests. The test outcomes seem to support more prosaic explanations. I am entertained and highly intrigued by the possibility of extraterrestrial life and the exceedingly remote possibility that it's visiting us. However...this is only my WANTING the universe to show me these wonders. The universe, instead shows me its immensity and its beauty. I am satisfied by that; I don't need the universe to set up a high tea with E.T.. Although that WOULD be lovely, thanks.
Expero IV is such a great planet! Have you visited Arrakis? I heard the sand worms are huge and you may end up with some intense hallucinations if you stay on the planet for long.
As a biologist, I understand the scientific principles being applied. However, I strongly think the lack of interest done by both surveys mentioned is appalling. The reason why we are here is nobody has conducted studies on this phenomenon sooner, leaving it to amateur researchers who don’t have the money, resources, and expertise to conduct and retrieve data. And the data collected is never taken seriously. Your survey shows that none of the most closely related experts (astronomers) were willing to investigate and seek grants for this. This is, in my opinion, the principle flaw in how science is conducted. It’s never for the search for truth but for the search for fake and money. It always relies on someone to take on a huge risk because everyone in the community judges you. And the funding dictates the outcome both by special interest and in the amount of funding dictates the methods and resources used. And the community is quick to throw out your data and research, making years of hard work pointless. I don’t know a single scientist that is willing to throw their career away like that. Not to mention this hypothetically interested astronomer doesn’t live in a bubble. They have a mortgage, a family, children, student loans, etc. it would have to be a billionaire bachelor astronomer, which none exist.
The problem is: how do you research something you can't reliably reproduce or observe? The only evidence is grainy video and some testimony. Other than trying to figure out a natural explanation to weed out the false positives, what is there you can do? If at some point a UAP gets recorded in high resolution from multiple angles, I'm sure there would be plenty of research to squeeze every single bit of information out of that footage. Yet somehow, with the amount and quality of cameras out in the world increasing by many orders of magnitude, the quality of the evidence of UAPs being extraterrestrial stays the same. The most freak random events get documented in meticulous detail from a multitude of sources on social media mere seconds after they happen. It is becoming increasingly less likely over time for a UAP to be real, yet not have a recording that actually resolves some detail...
There is infact ridicule of those who are interested in UFO and UAP. And if scientists are truthfully interest in it they would find way to better study the phenomena just as we had always set up experiment to study or test what we want to study or understand. Even from this video alone, you clearly dismissing it without appearing "dismissive"
You say something needs to be testable but scientists have spent the last 20 years talking about string theory. " There are 13 dimensions just trust me bro"
That very last interview nailed it. I've always thought UFOs should be investigated, simply for the "unidentified" part. No aliens needed to still learn something new about our own world.
Whatever or whoever these objects are they seem to be doing physics defying maneuvers according to extremely credible navy and air force pilots. So it's one of the most important things we should be studying to figure out what these things are. If it turns out to be alien then it's the biggest discovery in human history. Just because it's considered a conspiracy theory shouldn't deter scientists at all, there's no way to know unless we investigate it first. But I disagree with cool worlds when he says scientists are open minded, many of them avoid the subject like the plague and laugh at anyone who suggests studying it.
It is believable that we have sightings of unidentified aircraft, but the notion that we possess several of those is juvenile. Just reverse the situation had we lost several manned exploration ships on a foreign plant what would our response be? Sure, you can keep them have fun! Seem unlikely.
@alexshtyn6336 How can you know that, they could be probes, and even if they are piloted, no one can claim to know how something completely unknown to us operates, behaves and everything that comes with that. It would be foolish to assume something then consider it as a fact or even "likely" when in fact you don't know that, no one does. Anthropomorphism should not be the only criteria to base our ideas on regarding this topic, we can only compare something to us because we are the only civilization we know of, we cannot possibly know what we don't know, so thinking outside the box and being open to other ideas, even if they don't make sense, is a perfectly valid thing to do, and even desirable if we ever want to get to the bottom of this.
@@alexshtyn6336 Although I agree with your general sentiment, we have produced a large quantity of trash both in space and on the bodies of our solar system - we have lost or left many unmanned craft on foreign bodies, in states ranging from destroyed to just out of juice. Likewise, we have lost manned craft in the tens of millions on the seas and the ground, and I see little indication that this habit of ours will change dramatically should we have the opportunity to take to the stars.
I love ambiguity personally. It reminds me that we live in a beautifully complex and nuanced world where almost anything is possible, although few of those things are very probable.
I'am no scientist but my field of work depends on evidence based practice. Thank you Dr Kipping for a wonderful explanation. It is so easy to let the horses bolt from the stable on this topic at the moment. I look forward to more conversation over the coming months and years
Repeatable and testable for experiences of UAP is like waiting around for a killer to murder again so you can test your hypothesis of whether they are a killer. You people are gonzo. Do some homework on the actual issue
evidence based practice? in where, academia? you mean the place where 98% were pushing this rushed batch of experimental chemicals responsible for a 400000% increase in vac adverse events in 2021?
Too often times, the mainstream science orthodoxy request for scientific evidence almost as though it was a robotic linear pursuit for discovery. And somewhere along the line, the scientist ignores the human factors and other pieces of the evidential puzzle in the name of science. The result often ends up as scientists throwing the baby out with the bath water because scientists aren’t curious nor creative enough to adapt to the occurrences. The human factor: Curiosity, imagination, creativity, open-mindedness, speculation, brainstorming; postulating, hypothesizing, theorizing, human based evidence despite its unreliability; all are necessary without yet knowing conclusively. None of the human factors reduce the scientific method and its final conclusions. But many scientists remain strict to the culture of the scientific method almost in an evangelical puristic manner as though science itself is a religious doctrine AKA Scientism. I often use the analogy about scientists when it comes to the subject of UAP, too many seem predetermined to bring a microscope to make sense of, and confirm a widely publicized multiple car crash. That approach to studying UAPs lacks intellectual human nuances. Nobody dies if they believe something that’s later proven to be wrong. Yet scientists seem to act like belief as in taking a preliminary position on a subject without full confirmation, is a sin worthy of execution or banishment. As human are often wrong and need to reassess a previously held position based on new information, so does human authored science. And many scientists actually are humble enough to understand my above points without the absolute arrogance expressed by scientistic certainty and judgement.
@@aiurea1 Not being able to explain strange observations like these on the spot without more data doesn't mean it's aliens. That's the point of this video, which you clearly missed. You want to believe it's aliens so you jump to that conclusion (aliens of the gaps), but beyond "huh, that's interesting" there really isn't much you can say about stuff like this without more evidence. (Now that of course idoesn't mean it definitely wasn't aliens, but even another extraordinary explanation like secret government technology is still more plausible than alien spacecraft)
@@aiurea1 Taking some data points and approximating frequency with them is a common scientific tool. As for the TicTacs, which instrumentation shows their speed relative to the speed of the jet recording them? In physics, there is a concept called apparent motion. Several of the TicTac videos appear to show this. The object is moving slowly, but the motion of the jet makes the camera view that is locked on the target sppear to show the object moving quickly compared to the background ocean.
Thanks for the video. However, I think your interpretation of your own survey is clearly biased. Your results do NOT show SETI scientists generally have an open mind to UAP. Rather the opposite. I myself have no stake in this game. Just enjoying your videos as usual.
I agree. But I actually think that's a good thing. You want the people most sceptical of aliens to look for them, otherwise you might see them jumping too quickly to conclude aliens are responsible for some natural phenomenon or other. Science works by trying its' very hardest to disprove its' own ideas. If you can't, you tentatively accept the hypothesis until data proves otherwise
Excellent video. Concerning your survey of SETI scientists, wouldn't there be a bias against the notion of UAP? It's like asking a coal mining company if green energy is the future? SETI is mainly about detecting electromagnetic anomalous signals outside our solar system and has invested a lot of money on infrastructure related to this research. To suggest something outlandish might be right under their noses must be an uncomfortable conversation for them? Astronomers look up way more than the rest of us, and if there were something strange, they would've seen it right? Over the years, I've heard astronomers don't see anything anomalous hence their scepticism. More recently, I've heard that this is untrue; astronomers see anonymous unexplained things regularly but have historically ignored such things due to fear of stigma and ridicule. What is your experience?
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I am not a scientist by training or profession, I do however subscribe to the scientific method and follow a lot of scientists in a lot of differing fields. Your survey of the top people in this field is approximately what I would have expected, although I am plenty aware that this is just my own conformation bias, it is still comforting. Cool video Cool Worlds!
Alien life is visiting our planet according to USAF Intelligence officer David Grusch and many other first hand UFO whistle blowers who have testified to Congress and the Senate that the US military is hiding Alien UFO craft and bodies. The SSCI has set up a bill to force them to reveal this captured Alien material or have their funding cut off. This confirms what Astronaut Edgar Mitchell found when he met with Admiral Tom Wilson who said he found exactly what David Grusch found - A UFO Alien secret program hidden from Congress in 2004
If your trying to study something vastly more intelligent than yourself the scientific method goes out the window. In such a case it's very much possible, and maybe likely, that you'll only be able to study such a phenomenon as much as it allows itself to be studied. Science is limited in its abilities to regards of what exactly it is studying, particularly in regards to its subects own intellegence.
@@mestanley1753 i like your observation. a lot of theories comes to mind. Are we being studied? what if the aliens check up on us how advancing our technology is growing. we could be a threat them once we have the technology of space travel near light speed. what if the alien was our creator and thats why we are being study what if there's just millions of different type of aliens species out there right now able to space travel
I asked all the sailors in a port if they ever saw a penguin with their own eyes,all of them said no. We have footage and documentaries about penguins but we don't know what editing program was used for the videos,so we discard it. We only have some testimonies of scientists who worked in Antarctica,but cannot be trusted because maybe their brain was influenced from the low temperature or they mistaken other animals with the penguins. In conclusion,folowing the riguros scientific method,the pinguins doesn't exist. If you apply the scientific method on yourself,you don't exist either. Quod erat demonstrandum.
@@mestanley1753right on point, this is also my critique on the SM. In addition, if you go and ask prominent astronomers about such a thing as aliens, they will never believe that they have been here all along under their noses, it's quite embarrassing for them to admit this, although this is not their fault. I would like to hear a rebuttal of why the scientific method would be robust enough to investigate some phenomenon vastly more complex than just natural scientific phenomena. Eric Weinstein also recognizes that the SM is not suitable to investigate some higher intelligence, just like it lacks robustness in our social sciences, because when we investigate ourselves, we notices we do random things that not always repeat. I.e. input->ouput is always the same in chemistry, the same people act in some different ways to the same stimuli each time. Different people act vastly different based on some simulant. So when we know the SM is ill equipped to study aliens, why do we keep ourselves constrained to an incomplete scientific method when that method fails to study the phenomenon?
So what would the false positive rate be for an Aegis radar system detecting multiple objects descending and ascending 80,000 feet at extreme velocities, over multiple days? It could be some kind of bizarre atmospheric phenomena but I’m guessing this would be much rarer than most people think, but conceivable. The radar personnel ran diagnostics on the system, and all that did was make the returns clearer. So then multiply the false positive rate for the radar operator directing a flight to the coordinates of one of the returns, and the pilots actually seeing a physical object there. Multiple the chances that a multiple experienced pilots would identify this object as a 40 foot long solid craft in a perfectly geometrical capsule shape with a curved antenna-like protrusion with no visible means of propulsion, disturbing the water below it. Multiply the chances that this capsule moves in a bizarre pattern like a ping pong ball bouncing around. Then multiple the chances that the pilot reports that the object responds to the approaching jet by suddenly pointing its longitudinal axis at the jet. Then multiply the chances that the pilot reports that the object starts travelling upward in an arc that mirrors the arc the jet is making, a common defensive basic fighter maneuver. Then multiply the chances of all the pilots reporting this object suddenly accelerating out of the area incredibly fast. Then multiply the chances that the radar operator on the Aegis ship reporting that the object reappeared at the coordinates of the original training rallying point, as if the object somehow extracted information that is only stored on the jet’s navigation system. Then multiply the chances that later that day, another pilot goes to the radar return and records a capsule shaped object just as described by the other pilots. I conjecture that all these events together would result in an a ridiculously small false positive rate, far far smaller than anything discussed in the video to the point of being not reasonable. The only possibility in my mind is that either that this carrier battle group did encounter a physical craft with technology far surpassing our own, or they are all lying. Of course this is possible, there are liars all over the place in this field. But what are the chances of a radar operator crew conspiring with multiple pilots to make up this story and spend time figuring out how to make a fake targeting pod video only to not speak about it for over ten years?
Thanks for looking at whether we have enough evidence to use the scientific method to examine these claims. I think there's another academic principle that we can use to examine the David Grusch claims specifically (which would be quite helpful because we don't have much to go on trying to examine that scientifically). It's something that I've been trying to learn about called the *historical* method. Historians really only have claims made by people who lived in the distant past (plus a small amount of archeological), they developed a way to assess the reliability of various claims. For instance, you cross-reference claims, and look to see if two authorities with opposite biases say the same thing happened. If they do, then that gives us more reason to conclude that it *might* have happened. An eyewitness should be considered more authoritative than a non-eyewitness, and a contemporary source is more credible then a later source, and someone who's clearly trying to be a reliable journalist or historian is more reliable than someone who is just repeating whatever he hears. Those are the sorts of considerations that make up the Historical Method. There's one idea in the method that I think is quite helpful here: We can phrase it in two parts, starting with Carl Sagan's "absence of evidence is not *necessarily* evidence of absence," and add a second part, "...unless we can reasonably *expect* evidence of presence." For instance, suppose someone today were to doubt whether some historical event happened on the grounds that one specific ancient authority didn't mention that. We would analyze that claim by asking, "is there a reason why we'd actually expect that guy to write about, or even *know* about that event?" (for instance, if it happened in a different country). If there's no reason to suppose he'd actually know about it, then we can't use his silence as evidence that it didn't happen. On the other hand, if it is something that the person likely would mention - he wrote extensively and it happened to someone he personally knows - then we can use that silence as evidence (not necessarily solid proof, though) that it didn't actually happen (provided, of course, that we'd expect that person's writings on the subject to survive to the present day). Here's how I'd apply this method to Grush's claims and other claims like it: We often hear of Cold War-era coverups of *crashed* alien spacecraft (Grush specifically mentions that some of them were crash-sites). Now one of the problems with that is they always seem to conveniently end up in some place where US intelligence operatives can pick them up. But alien crashes can theoretically happen anywhere, so why don't we hear of any wreaks in parts of Sub-Saharan Africa that the CIA couldn't conveniently reach in force? (This is especially significant, since Grush speaks of 100m objects that would be really hard to cover-up). Not only is it awfully convenient that we only hear of these happening in the "First World", but we also only hear about them happening in the 1930s at the *earliest* (Grush claims that the first one crashed in Fascist Italy, and the Americans took it after the fall of the Axis powers). The idea that they were "waiting" for us to be more technologically advanced before watching us closely doesn't make sense because if they were *that* competent, then they wouldn't be crashing all the time! (Grush's claims contradict the notion that these crashes are either intentional or expected because he and others mention alien corpses. The aliens themselves wouldn't be on board those craft if they expected them to crash!) The mediocrity principle also applies here, we should assume that the 20th Century is a "mediocre" time regarding possible visits from species which are centuries or even millennia more advanced than us. So that means we would *expect* to see evidence of crash sites even earlier - throughout the 19th Century at least. We know full well that people in the 1800s were more than capable of examining an unfamiliar object and asking the 2 questions, "is it natural or artificial?" and "did we or people we know build it?" We don't have any account of such discoveries lining up with Grush's claims, giving us good reason to call those claims into question. In conclusion: It all goes down to "Occam's Razor", also known as the principle of parsimony: When unsure, the explanation that is least contrived is *probably* the correct one. There's tons of contrivance and hand-waviness required for Grusch's claims to be possible. Therefore, we can safely conclude that Grush's claims are *probably* (but not certainly) wrong.
There's many other problems of this nature with alien claims, like alien abduction and UFO reports being heavily skewed towards white Americans and descriptions of aliens varying by geography, implying a cultural basis (or multiple alien species neatly dividing the Earth's regions between themselves, which... yeah, not very convincing).
Also not every government is as secretive as the US and many are much more transparant, it is odd that Nordic countries which have track records of being transparant and also happen to collective control quite a lot of land area have never had any reports of UAPs. If it was actually happening you'd expect reports of this comming out of those governments, like how the US attempted to cover up the crash of a B-52 carrying nuclear bombs in Greenland but this was revealed by a Danish journalist going through Danish government archives. You can find lots of similar incidents where US government coverups were discovered through the governments of Denmark or Norway since they often had access to the same data but have more robust transparancy laws. The fact that these kinds of reports mostly emerge from the single least transparent western nation, would perhaps suggest that they are in fact a product of said secrecy, which makes a lot of sense. When everything is on a need to know basis it's easy for an individual who doesn't know the full stort to make wrong assumptions about what's going on, hell such a wrong assumption might even have been encouraged to cover up the actual truth.
I am skeptical Mick West was able to reproduce any of those videos in a convincing manner. The targeting cameras that captured those videos are extremely expensive, highly calibrated, and not available to the public... I hope he's not using an over the counter FLIR camera or some nonsense to try and recreate it. Also I am skeptical Mick West solved a mystery that the pentagon, and defense contractors weren't able to... Especially when they have more data points than the public. That being said, I am always open to all sides of a debate... so I will go check that out after this video.
Mick West is destroyed here. He is just another Talking Head for the Establishment. The Nimitz Encounter - A Response to Mick West th-cam.com/video/JTUX5tgU5xo/w-d-xo.html
Today's comment by Eric Weinstein- "if somebody is space-time engineering and they can get here from very far away, they're not using General Relativity in The Standard Model ... they're using a successor theory" -
How refreshing to have serious people like You and Mick West that cover this issue scientifically. They are surprisingly very few on youtube. Thank you !!
David Kipping, I think you are very right with the open mind part. Having access to more information, being allowed to talk about topics, and question stories, without being considered crazy, is quite important for creating a better world! I like that you are giving the public more insides into the inner circle of scientists, who should have much more to say about this UFO topic, without fearing for their reputation. I personally think, it would be amazing, if it were extraterrestrial visitors from alien worlds, or even time travelers, or ancient civilizations. But since years I openly state that given the fact, of space being so quiet without any indication of extra solar civilizations, and of course us being maybe quite early in the universe’s history of possible biological life, we might as well be the first, or at least amongst the first civilizations appearing on the galactic stage, maybe even the universe. I also watched your video about us being maybe the first civilizations appearing. And I was very happy to see another serious scientific TH-cam channel daring to make this mostly considered unpopular step. Most channels are just view catching with fantastic sounding topics. I personally dislike those people, who use such tactics. With greetings from a German long-term viewer of your channel. Hope you will find more extrasolar moons! 🇩🇪😊
I think the open mind goes with being a scientist. Having an open mind doesn't mean you become an Uncle Sucker to any old thing that comes along, but does mean you are open to investigating claims with an open scientific mind.
You lost me on time travelers. My friend, Its totally possible that I can be the next king of the empire of the moon, this doesnt mean its probable. More importantly, being open minded doesnt mean you can valided any crazy idea.
I sincerely appreciate these videos. I'm about halfway through this one, but I wanted to let you know that it is a shining example of why I love your content. You balance having an open mind and letting our imagination run wild, while simultaneously reeling that in and respecting the empirical data and the rigor of the scientific approach. Please continue your outstanding work - your insights not only enrich our understanding of the cosmos but also inspire our curiosity.
We cannot apply the scientific method to this phenomenon if you are only willing to consider data that the government and military allows to be released. You wouldn’t accept that with any other phenomenon. Bottom line. Science has no standing to denigrate witnesses if they are unwilling to go out and collect data on their own. We already monitor near earth asteroids. This would be more difficult. And you yourself concede that this may not be alien but an unknown. That is all I think people want. So why is it that an unknown is so ridiculed in the scientific community. I will tell you why, because you will be shunned by the government and military…..which then trickles down to funding and scientists. If there is no there there, then why does the military always barge in and confiscate everything anytime there is an event. They do not do this if there is a sighting of Bigfoot, ghosts etc. I don’t know exactly what is going on. But SOMETHING is going on. And it is time for science to admit that it has refused to acknowledge its refusal to address this issue. I also want to add. In your calculations you act like sightings are rare. These pilots see them every day. Multiple crafts are seen every day. If you report them the military punishes you. Doesn’t that seem odd if this is a nothing. And it is not US special craft… they have been around for decades.
Speaking of inspiring curiosity, wasn't it Cool Worlds collaborator Dr. Nadia Drake who said that there were "credible witnesses with corroborating sensor data" during the NASA/AARO co-presentation quite recently?
I only wish Dr. Kipping would take to wearing baggy shirts during his presentations. I am intimidated by his sculpted torso, and would find scientific objectivity much easier were I not so distracted by his formidable biceps.
Same. I have read for months on the phenomenon in my 30’s assuming I could figure out if it’s real or not. 😂I am educated on the subject and most people who dismiss it easily have not read up. It’s not like other bs big foot ghosts. There actually is a substantial amount of indirect evidence with no conclusive proof. It’s weird thing. Most phenomena is not that way. I flip back and forth and remain open minded.
For the most part I agree with the statements put forth in this video. One exception though, is the Grusch interview. In the video it's discussed as being hearsay with no verifiable data. Grusch establishes that it is second-hand knowledge, but also provides testable, verifiability. He has named names and details that make his information verifiable. Unfortunately, he had to provide this information to the US government behind closed doors, so it may take some time to verify, but some government sources have verified the claims that he provided such information, and that others have also made similar claims. Like any research, it will take some time to verify Grusch's account, but it is verifiable. I also appreciated the terminology Grusch used, not saying the UAPs were spaceships, rather he used the term technical vehicles. He also called the pilots "non-human", rather than calling them ETs / aliens. One problem with the evidence Grusch has is that it cannot be determined to be false just by not finding the vehicles and non-humans, as it could be claimed that there was a cover-up, but if they are found, this would be amazing news when it breaks publicly.
The David Fravor sighting is different than just a pilot seeing something strange from a distance. A ship in the battle group with the Aegis radar system was detecting multiple objects dropping from extremely high altitudes to the surface in a second over multiple days. The radar operator finally requested a flight to divert from its training and check the contact out. Fravor and the rest of the flight saw the pill shaped object hovering or moving very erratically over the surface. He got within a half mile of it and could clearly make out its features. It then accelerated away in the blink of an eye and appears on radar at the coordinates of the flights original training rallying point . Later, another pilot recorded the object with his IR targeting pod. The video does in fact show a pill shaped object. So this event is important because you have multiple military personnel using different sensor systems all corroborating each other. So either Fravor is lying or he actually did mock dogfight a 40 foot long pill shaped object that responded according to basic BFM manoeuvres. If this was a hoax, all these personnel would need to conspire and somehow create a sensor pod video of an object resembling a pill. They would then be quiet about the hoax for 10 years when it was leaked onto the internet.
"Either he's lying or it's aliens" ...Or he simply saw something which so far remains unexplained. You really missed the point of the video, didn't you? It specifically addresses the issue of misinterpreting skepticism as accusations of lying. Skeptics don't think everybody who reports UAPs is crazy or a fraud (although *some* definitely are); we simply need more tangible, objective evidence because there's a million possibilities of what could be behind these reports - from brains playing tricks on people (and hoo boy are our minds and senses unreliable), instrument glitches, unknown natural phenomena, all the way up to top secret military technology. We simply don't know yet, and you don't really know either.
@@danielmccarthyy In someblack databhase somewhere I'm sure... But really what kind of response is that? How many scince facts have you seen with your own eyes in person... Like have you seen pics of the Earth's core or the interor make up of the sun?
@@danielmccarthyy The radar data would be classified. Either enough people & scientists apply political pressure to get it declassified, or the incidents are dismissed out of hand and scientists never get to see the data. Declassification isn’t a scientific problem, it’s a political will problem.
I’m a bit late to the party here, but as an avid X-Files fan from back in the day, I never really once considered the actual existence of UAPs. To me, they’re the modern day ghost ships that sailors used to see on the ocean (but they were actually seeing optical illusions). Would it be cool if they existed? Sure. I’d also love to see ghost ships, too. Great video, as always. 😊
I would look into the history of the phenomenon a bit if you think they don't exist. It's a bit frustrating to see people make these slightly condescending comments despite really having zero background on the topic. The US government, and other governments worldwide, have admitted that UAPs are absolutely a real thing, and it goes further than that.
In the 90s the university of Tasmania collected data on UFO sightings during the original airing of the X-Files and followed it up years later. The sightings dropped considerably.
Huh? You cannot deny UAPs exist unless you can identify literally everything people have seen in the sky. Sure, they are probably not aliens or whatever, but it's absurd to deny what definitely and obviously exists. It's a plain fact that people have recorded phenomena in the sky that has not been identified.
Thank you - a necessary video. It highlights the difference between burden of proof as required by science, and the burden of proof as required by law. If people arrested under suspicion of carrying out criminal acts were subject to scientific evidence prior to verdict, our prisons would be largely empty.
It’s a good comment. When only human eyewitness testimony is the only evidence available, that is much more like the situation in a courtroom than in a science lab. David’s observation that human testimony is not quantifiable is a key point.
The old medical adage of "when you hear hoofbeats, think of horses, not zebras" definitely rings true here. These objects dont have to be alien to be interesting. If more data becomes available, I'd imagine they'd at least warrant a look-see!
I suppose it depends on where you are when you hear those hoof beats. On an African plain, in the zoo or at a circus there’s a high likelihood of zebras. And if you are hearing hoofbeats in Antarctica, someone might be watching a western on TV. Take all evidence into consideration. UAP might not be able to conform to scientific investigation easily (or at all), but it can still be investigated by other means with nonscientific conclusions leading to insight in how to explore different aspects of UAP scientifically. No one study will prove what every proposed UAP is, but we may be able to ascertain patterns in recognizing what certain UAP are.
More data is available. It’s been confirmed by the pentagon that more footage of all the releases is available but too sensitive to be released. This probably means it’s classified, for any number of reasons pertaining to national security. Some members of congress have seen this extra footage in recent closed sessions but are likewise unable to comment on it. Unfortunately I don’t believe any scientists of any fields have seen this footage, much less physicists, astronomers, or other relevant specialists.
Agree, I don't know why people is obsessed with Aliens, it could be anything at this point, just because its unexplainable do not mean its not from earth.
Well made video, but the majority of the uap's in question are NOT "natural phenomenon". They are made of metal, can make high speed abrupt turns, move at many times the speed of sound silently, hover, some can split in two, they can dissappear and reappear, and are transmedium.
Another theory presented by some is time travel. Essentially a future human(oid) visiting the past. The UAP would then be a time machine rather than a space craft. That in itself would be spectacular! But technically, it still would not be aliens.
Nice Video David. I'm a scientific myself and believe scientists should do more on the UFO/UAP phenomenons just because of human curiosity but also because of the potential outcome it will have on the Earthian civilizations (I want to include the fauna and flora as well rather than just the human civilization). To take an astrophysical analogy, David, what you are describing as "scientific work" is the Johannes Kepler work. But we should not forget that if Kepler was able to become famous, it was mostly thanks to Tycho Brahe who made very precise measurements of star/planet positions in the sky. There are 2 phases in discoveries: first the data collection and then second the establishment of the equation/theory (yeah, I know sometimes it is the other way around! But you get my point ... )! So another root cause of most of scientists problems on UAP/UFO is that every scientist wants to work on the phase 2 of the scientific process where all the data are already available and become famous with their published paper. Nobody wants to work on the phase 1 about data collection where there is no fame to benefit from. So all scientists just complain of lack of data and nobody wants to work on creating these data. The truth is we need scientists driven by curiosity rather than financial survival in our society to make "scientific compatible" measurements of UFO/UAP phenomenon that will likely be used by future scientists that will actually get the fame (if this newly born branch ever get successful)! Added to the above mentioned scientific difficulties, there seems to be another dimension to take into consideration which is the governments/arm industries, the church of the modern days. Funny how history would repeat itself if what I'm saying is true: four hundred years ago, scientists had to fight against the power of the Church to find their way. Nowadays, governments/arm industries would be the new big structure that science will need to cope with ... . If UFO/UAP are real and rare, then it is certain that governments/arm industries will do what it takes to get hands on the technology to get technological advantage over the others. If data are available, then they will definitely hide them. There is an obvious conflict of interest here. Scientists want to democratize knowledge whereas governments/arm industries would have the opposite tendencies to keep their advantages. If this is true, we would be living in a inquisitional world without knowing it! How ironic! The UFO/UAP data do exist. But it is just hidden from our knowledge and scientists reach. What remain available are only human witnesses ... which are of no scientific interests ... . What an interesting era we are living in ... . I feel and predict that the UAP/UFO phenomenon will have a much bigger impact than the scientific revolution of the past centuries ... .
they need baseline data; they need sufficient supporting fact base data and visuals, before they can do anything.....why does no one get this! Science is based on facts; not opinions.
How the hell would "scientifics" even go about "collecting data" on UAPs when they're so rare and randomly occuring? Astronomers and meteorologists are constantly monitoring the skies in a myriad ways, and yet their instruments don't seem to find phenomena fitting alien theories in any consistent way. The relatively little data there is is extremely fragmented or confidential, as the video explains. It's simply a wild goose chase to a large degree. Why in the world do you think "nobody wants to work on collecting data" when there's scientific observations of space and Earth's atmosphere going on all the time all over the world is beyond me. Really makes me doubt your supposed scientific credentials.
I saw a uap over 20 years ago now. It was clearly technological and having been a plane spotter for life, I've still never seen another aircraft like it, even conceptually. There were others there that corroborated what I thought I saw. I don't know what it was but it opened my mind to possibilities. I don't know if these events are just sooo incredibly rare or if information is withheld. Maybe there is a mundane explanation but I haven't found one. Just because information isn't publicly available doesn't mean it doesnt exist though. My biggest frustration is that often scientists, while they should be sceptical, have forgotten they should also be open to possibility. This isn't solely related to the uap topic. We have learnt much but there's much more we don't know. Much more to learn. Humility helps with all things we don't understand.
@@whatisthisIcanteven You are giving him a perfect example of “science” minded people discounting the expert testimony of a trained observer, because the observation doesn’t fit their narrative. You are not debunking anything, only proving the point.
@@whatisthisIcanteven If you saw a metallic disc hovering that suddenly accelerated to hypersonic speeds, would you consider that “Clearly Technological” ?
@@whatisthisIcanteven OK. I personally haven't come across any non technological objects that fly and have 5 sets of lights equally spaced along it, with each set being composed of 3 colours. If you know of anything that matches this description then we can call it solved. I make no claim it's alien, but I haven't seen any human technology that also explains this. I was driving at 100 kph and it passed directly over us slowly. There was a truck in front and it was at least 3 times the width. I kept trying to make it be a light aircraft but it clearly wasn't - there was no fuselage. Just a V with lights. I've seen B2 and F117 and they're the closest human tech. They don't match closely. It was in NZ. It could have been higher and bigger, my brain just kept trying to make what I saw fit with a light aircraft, it was the only thing that made logical sense. I'm completely happy if anyone can solve this with human derived technology or another mundane way. I also completely understand how fantastical the story is if you haven't seen something similar yourself. I have also know I can't prove anything, so I wrote knowing that this is the likely response. Mostly i wrote because whatever it was, I'd rather be open to possiblity than be cynical. It's a choice we all make.
My primary problem with the UAP reporting over my 70-year life has been the people making the claims. They have all taken a non-scientific approach to even presenting their data. Many of them have displayed disturbingly gullible approaches. Your interviewees were *far* more interesting to hear from. I am very open to the _possibility_ of things well outside our present understanding. This is why I contributed processing time to SETI over many years. My mind remains open; but not so open that I will just accept wild claims. This presentation has much the same approach as Neil DeGrasse Tyson took when asked about UFOs/UAPs - the statistics on the number of possible worlds in the galaxy allow for the possibility of extra-terrestrial UAPs; but we do not yet have viable evidence. And that is just looking at UAPs as being extraterrestrial. The photographic material I have seen so far is not good enough, or having 2nd sources, to make any determination. All the presentations have relied heavily of the viewer/reader accepting the presenter/author as being both honest, and not mislead in some way. Unfortunately a few are not the sort of person you would trust to tell the time of day accurately!
I flew paragliders in the UK for about 450 hours between 2007- 2019. Twice I saw weird things in the air. Both were balloons I think but astonishingly strange movements and shapes. Very easy to imagine they were 'alien' especially if you want to. A lot happens in the sky that pedestrians don't know about - I mean natural and man made phenomena.
A couple years ago I had the surreal experience of looking out the window at night in my bed and seeing a bright point of light seemingly floating across the sky in a strange pattern. I couldn't believe what I was seeing, and watched it for 5 minutes straight before realizing it's just Jupiter and my tired mind was playing tricks on me. But it was a couple minutes of feeling like I entered an alternate reality. Our brains are very imperfect machines.
I'm gonna sort of explain 3 of the most popular videos coming from the Pentagon, because while it's not 100% certain what exactly they are, but most claims made about them are completely wrong and you can make a good informed guess on what exactly those videos represent. FLIR - the object doesn't actually accelerate, it's moving at a constant speed, then camera looses track of it and then zooms in, which results in it looking as if it accelerated even though it didn't (you can confirm that by yourself). I'm not exactly sure what that is but it's not breaking laws of physics nor anything. GIMBAL - let's get this out of a way, what you see is just a heat halo from of a jet engine, likely with disabled transponder, which is consistent with a drug plane or something like that. Why it wasn't identified as a plane? I'm not sure, but that's what it looks like. GOFAST - if you look at the distance data in the video you can calculate that the object is moving at around 40 kn (20 m/s) and an altitude of around 13,000 ft (4000 m) and appears to be moving fast as a result of parallax, the object is also pretty small and is most likely a balloon. (btw i posted this before watching the video lol)
@@random6033 yep, not to mention the platforms that these were observing were also moving at high speed themselves, not standing still, not exactly confidence inspiring if the pilots themselves familiar with these systems were not able to recognize these artifacts for what they were...
I'd hope that nobody would instantly dismiss the possibility of Von Neumann probes - given we ourselves will build them as soon as it's possible. Would we not program our own probes to conceal themselves from intelligent life and study it? at least at first? and how long is "at first" when you're millions of years old?
@@thatdognotthepuppy5809JMG is amazing. I listen to his content at night. He asks the best questions and he’s one of my favorite “space” presenters on TH-cam. As I soon as I saw the words “Von Neuman probes”, I smiled. 😊
most of the youtube scientist that are not doing research anymore have flat out said they literally believe it that we are 100% alone in the universe. Professors like Dr. Keating have gone on the record to say flat out he thinks humans ar literally the only technological species in the entire universe. Its nonsense. No one should pay any attention to people like them anymore,.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this subject. Recent coverage of UAP's has put me off looking into the possibility of getting credible answers to unidentified sightings which can't be a good thing. This video has re-engaged me and restored a bit of faith that the study of UAP's can be worthwhile as long as we're patient and apply sound scientific methodology to adding some real evidence to the debate.
In 1978 I had a two week old baby ( she is now 44) and I was getting my washing in, it was late November in South Wales uk. I looked up and saw a sphere with lights traveling around the meridian, I screamed dropped my washing and my husband came running, it just disappeared. It didn't fly away, it was there one moment and gone the next. We both saw it, we had no phone and mobiles weren't invented, no wifi or computers. So I walked to the payphone to tell my parents they believed me. I told the man in the post office the next day and he obviously laughed at me and thought me an idiot, but he didn't laugh that evening when it was all over the local newspapers, it was seen all over South Wales within two hours and reported by two policemen. I know you only have my word for this but I am not an idiot. I am a maths teacher. It happened, I've thought of it often over the last 44 years but I wonder if it could be time travel - us - humans? Or could it be interdimensional? I really don't know, I know what I saw
I think you are not an idiot. I don't know what you saw. In 1978 I was onboard HMS Fife carrying out missile test firings in Cardigan Bay. It was well known that occasional malfunctions would send missiles off course and result in UFO sightings and I expect there were also very 'hush hush' recovery operations.
Had this discussion when back at my old uni catching up with pals who are now PhD students across various areas, none of them took it seriously. Can't say I blame them imo, skeptical of things suddenly being pushed out there in a systematic manner. Most aren't even aware of such videos, a lot like the general mass public which is funny given how much of mainstream has covered the story over & over.
I think anyone with a serious interest in science quickly learns to have a healthy disinterest in anything mainstream media has to say about science and just sticks to specialist news media.
@@hedgehog3180 I agree but you'd be amazed at just how narrow minded such people become, many can't even hold conversations in their wider area of expertise anymore as academia often forces people into very niche areas of expertise within a wider area. The specialists never pick up on such things, they play to their audience who are always career motivated academics following the well treaded path, even the most senior are scared to deviate. Funding also plays a huge role
Thank you so much for this video. I have been watching all of this unfold with a skeptical eye, but hope that evidence surfaces that is incontrovertible. I was hoping Cool Worlds would weigh in and you didn't disappoint. Great work Dr. Kipping and team. I want to believe...❤
Thanks for the first 7 minutes and the description of how modern science is meant to work. Unfortunately few of us have learned or care about science but you are doing a good job of getting the basics out there.
just started the vid, always been skeptical on ufo stories, but especially where alien beings where part of it. i never ruled out the ufo that so many people seem to have seen , still, always was of the side that i have to see it for myself to give them any real credit. well.... me in my backyard, i called emergency service , i saw what i thought was a plane on fire, the light that came off it was enough reason to call before it would crash . well it was no plane, it zigzagged towards me in about 10 minutes, and the thing just kept getting bigger and bigger. it took its time when it was close to me, or my view so to say , it was not bright, but it gave off a tremendous amount of light , in colors, but separated from each other. the thing i saw was huge, beneath the normal clouds , but i remember it was at least 15 times the size of a normal moon in the sky. no sound, and my cats did not care one single bit, nor did my 2 different neighbors, they must have seen it, but they didnt. i was amazed beyond explanation. only explanation i can give is that is was some sort of telescope/microscope focus point of some sorts. i still wont believe this was a object , the new designation of UAP gives me some peace of mind instead of the UFO . this made me rethink how i was skeptical in this., i cannot in any way , look at peoples experiences in the same way.
when children are involved in sightings, i am even more less capable to be skeptical , sure they make up a lot of things, but its always in a childish way. when we look at the massive amount of sightings and the stunning differences in them. one must question themselves, are they all insane, or is it me that holds on to an insane point of view.
Another great video Dr. Kipping. I'm not a scientist, but I am a mathematician. I want to believe in UAP/UFOs but the numbers make me think it's unlikely. On a side note - any chance there is a Dark Energy/Dark Matter video coming. Thanks, a bunch. Keep up the Great Work.
It only seems unlikely if u think they come from far away. I think its a good bet aliens live on earth or inside the moon. That makes it much more possible as i dont buy into light speed travel. Its just not feasible
I think a mathematician is a type of scientist if you are researching and investigating things in mathematics and using mathematics to research or investigate something else.
@@MusingsFromTheJohn00 I mean UAPs sorta exist by definition, there will almost always be unidentified aerial phenomena even if just as a result of humans being fallible creatures.
I love your videos and how you generously present all sides of the argument in a fair and graceful manner. It makes them a really beautiful viewing experience, void of arrogance or ego. It's refreshing. There's another factor I'd add to your equation for false positives... Proximity... I would theorize that distance plays a sizable role in identification accuracy. There's a big difference in the probability of a pilot making a positive identification of an object a few miles away, or a few hundred yards away... and the sightings really do vary that much in distance. What makes me more skeptical of stories is your point about "bad actors". The US government has a long and storied history with misinformation campaigns, and there are some documented cases surrounding this very topic. So I agree it's hard to believe testimony alone. However, overall I am inclined to believe pilots who have data or other witnesses to back up their claims.
The thing about bad actors & misinformation.... is that EITHER the gov't has been lying for the past 80 years OR they are lying now. If you consider the implications of that earth-shattering about-face, it would seem to imply that there's something big here.
Should the scientific approach also include historical data, not just contemporary data? In that regard you will find that some modern hypotheses against the alien theory become hard to defend from a technological development/timeline viewpoint. Great video.
I'm generally extremely skeptical of any UFO/UAP sightings, but I'm curious what you think of the ARIEL SCHOOL UFO INCIDENT in Nairobi in 1994. It's pretty compelling and strange.
I agree that we’re stuck. Its very likely it would be all classified. The whole point of the “Phenomenon” is to bring awareness to it so the data becomes available to the public for proper analysis. That was the whole point in Gruesch interview. Bringing the awareness that its being withheld. Unfortunately due to lack of overall interest and belief it actually exists, it will never be released. The loads of leaked documents online which may or may not be real but how do you prove they’re real? You want physical evidence? There’s no way that’s being released.
I think Carl Sagan said it well, in his cosmos series. He said he would absolutely love to see some evidence of aliens, even a tiny artifact of alien technology, but that there was simply no evidence of it. That was the 1980s, before everyone was walking around with a video camera in their pockets. Now, with cameras everywhere, you'd think we would now have lots of good footage of UFOs, the Yeti and the Loch Ness Monster. But the proliferation of video cameras only resulted in video evidence of police brutality. And fixed security cameras now caught meteors, bridge collapses, and terrorist bombings, but not a single convincing shot of a UFO. Whatever video evidence might exist, only serves to debunk what would have otherwise been only eyewitness testimony. Under the Fermi Paradox, it seems likely that alien civilizations exist, but sadly, we might never see any, because the Universe is so incredibly big, and there is that pesky speed-limit.
The released UAP videos look to me like examples of sensor artifacts. This military exercise could have been a test and demonstration of sensor failure modes. Optical systems almost always have multiple light paths due to reflections at and between optical components. The sensors could have locked onto ghost images of ordinary objects such as the Sun or a wingman's exhaust. Such ghost image videos can mimic indications of extraordinary motion geometry including out of this world acceleration and superposition on unexpected other objects like the underwater sea.
I was able to play with the imaging system that the uap was seen on and a reflected co2 laser caused a similar pattern to that. System is an optically scanned cooled PtSi thermal imager. The sensor had 128 pixels and was scanned by a gallvo mirror and a polygon mirror similar to one in a laser printer. The assemby had many thousands of dollars of germanium optics in it.
@akuai4408 I got to mess around with those older IR imager systems and you could get all sorts of artifacts, most commonly a specular reflection of something hot would cause similar ones. They were insanely complex using a cryogenically cooled linear array and a mechanical scanning system with several kilograms of germanium optics. You can get insane image quality if you use the optical system from one with modern FLIR devices ❤️
One complication you have is that governments work on advanced technology, not known to the public, and they want to keep this technology secret. One only has to look at the development of the stealth fighter as an example. If you have data of something “unknown” this has to be factored in.
It's a good lie to hide-ish things, but not necessarily the only explanation. Mundane explanations still exist, and are probably still more likely. Sometimes known stuff is unintuitive
@@lomiification I would look into the history of the phenomenon. They started being spotted in large numbers by aviators on all sides in WW2. Each side thought they were a secret weapon of the other. This is history you can get from primary sources, verified government documentation.
It is a factor to some extent but not as much as you'd think. The UFO phenomenon became widespread in WW2 when pilots on all sights began to experience frequent sightings. Everyone thought they were the others secret weapons. They had capabilities that are extremely exotic today, let alone 80 years ago.
@@lomiification I believe that scientists should not rule out that the lack of data that scientists are complaining about might artificially be created by the governments around the world. The only remaining traces of such data would then be individual testimony. There is no smoke without fire ... .
Funding UAP research and investigation has to be the epitome of low risk/ high reward. If any conclusions can be reached (mundane misidentification, new natural phenomena, etc.) it would be better than not knowing at all. If something truly extraordinary is uncovered then great! You’ve spent far less than what space telescopes, particle colliders and your average military jet costs.
As a retired international airline pilot with over thirty five years of jumbo jet experience, I think we give too much credibility to pilots and what they may or may have not seen. Please don’t forget that we aviators are human beings. Sometimes when we are stressed or tired or have been on duty for more than 15 hours all that we see can often appear as something it’s not. I’ve seen it happen on more than a few occasions. A pilot’s state of mine is important at the moment of witnessing a UFO/UAP.
Yeah, you tell that to this Air Force & commercial pilot (& his co-pilot) of 31yrs experience he was just seeing things for 25mins & videotaped: ORB at 37,000' - Captain Delgado's Unbelievable UFO Encounter: th-cam.com/video/HXLFC-hwQ6M/w-d-xo.html "Captain Erik Delgado flew in the US Air Force for 10 years and then for 21 years as a Commerical Cargo Pilot. on 19 March 2020, he and his Co-Pilot, a retired F-15 fighter pilot, witnessed this ORB that flew with their aircraft for an astounding 25 minutes!"
@@fredbcf1255 I flew with a countless number of military pilots who transitioned to airline flying and some were Service Academy graduates and they were just as screwed up as I was. Again, just because they are or were military pilots does not mean they are infallible or more credible. When you fly through multiple time zones the end result is tired and jet lagged pilots at the controls. It’s the nature of the beast and it’s the life we chose. Make of that what you will.
@@johnwells1015 Jesus, watch the damn video just dare to say that applies to this incident. You are being ridiculous. Undoubtedly SOME events that are witnessed by one pilot without any corroborating evidence could be ascribed to that effect, but there are many that do not fit your simplistic bargain-basement narrative.
Dr. Kipping, let me tell you something... More than a decade ago I found some spots in pictures I took. Long story, but I used to do painting classes at the time. So I started as a believer, then I sent the pictures to be analyzed by an UFO group here in Brazil, which skeptics were part. My spots in the pictures turned out to be only birds or insects close to the camera... But I learned a lot from them, read a lot about picture analysis and ended up helping them, but as a skeptic. Either way, I worked with them for a few years and I only learned about humans. Nothing about aliens. But, still, I believe this area should be studied. And there are a few REALLY interesting cases, like the Brazilian official UFO night. But... We can't milk any data from those cases. From almost all cases, to tell the truth. So, for me, the only way to go about it is to collect our own data, as Project Galileo is doing. I don't know if it's going to work out, but well... I don't see any other way. About claims from people from the government... I'm going to believe them when they show up some evidence. Until there... Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
@@scifi_shopYou're mixing Sci Fi and actual science. At the end of the day if you want to believe you can make up anything you want to "prove" it. That is not scientific in any sense.
Great post! If people think the field has merit by all mean study it with a proper scientific approach but as the scientific method dictates the default position is the null hypothesis (aliens are not visiting us) until there is concrete evidence to the contrary. There has been none thus far.
I am in physics. Though i am very open minded on the topic, I believe, just as you said, that at the present time there aren't enough reliable data for the science to express itself on the subject
I think we should definitely study UAPs as a phenomenon - of human perception, and study the psychology of "I want to believe" possessed even by skeptics such as myself. To properly apply statistics in an error prone detection environment, we need to characterize the properties of the error processes. We should learn as much as possible from each false positive and mis-detection that we can diagnose after the fact.
watch Lex Fridman's Dave Fravor interview in its entirety before dismissing the potential reality of something techno beyond known human capability. We have better photographs, ocean-UAP interactions and radar data.
That has actually been done, stories like this is what led psychologists to investigate how human perception works and how memory works and they were often able to recreate these illusions. This kind of research is where most optical illusions come from and has yielded results in therapy methods,
Well........this is a subject that has been going on for well over 80 years. From the latter months of WWII when both Axis and Allied pilots saw Foo Fighters to when Kenneth Arnold had the first public sighting near Mt. Rainier WA in June 1947. Two weeks later we had the famous Roswell incident. It was the late Major Jesse Marcel who went out into that ranch land field and was the first to discover something strange. Marcel was an expert in the 40s for recovering downed aircraft. He stated in a 1979/80 interview that what he found was not the remains of a weather balloon or a conventional aircraft. He said the material found was something he had never seen before. It was not of this Earth! Marcel passed away only a few years later. He never gained from his statements. I believe he was telling the truth and that the USAAF covered up a story that was the biggest story of all time. Science has been involved with UFOs/UAPs over the decades. Perhaps one of the most famous early on was Dr. J Allen Hynek. He was at first a skeptic who after many years of studying the phenomenon became convinced there was a reality to it. We also have French scientist Jacque Valle. He believes that perhaps UFOs don't come from another star..........but another dimension. You also have in recent times Michiko Kaku who believes that there is something definitely going on with the UFO/UAP subject and that the tables have turned on evidence! There seems to be smoking gun evidence of high strangeness! With all the sightings from over the decades..............if just one is really an extraterrestrial machine it changes our world forever. The French in 1999 released an independent report entitled COMETA. It suggested with its conclusion that UFOs are Extraterrestrial in origin.
Thank you for the summary. I believe that this should be a mandatory copy/paste in these comment sections where the UAP/UFO subject seem to be treated in isolation, and focused on the recently released videos from the Pentagon. I am always frustrated to witness the lack of cross-references to older reports of the same phenomena being discussed today. This was making the news in 1952 until the Robertson panel, 1969 with the Condon report, 2000 with the House committee hearings and yet, it looks like the discussion starts anew every single time. It is truly puzzling.
Well said! Scientists ask"where is the data on this?! ", there is actually loads of data, maybe 'too much' if your willing to search for it and do your homework. But science has become so dismissive of anything outside mainstream thinking it has become its own worst enemy unfortunately.
@@yanis905 And ufo/uaps are spotted over the entire earth, and it is over a time period as long we can count. What is a difference between now and then? We now have much more advanced technology than before much much stronger radars and IR tracking systems, that is why we will have more and more video evidence in the future coming from military. Americans sometimes acts like the entire world is in USA, this is a worldwide thing happening on every remote place you can imagine outside the states and we need to work in conjunction with other states to actually get the full picture of what these things are.
@@lz43p15 Me? What I have seen and many others cannot be unseen, it's the matter of first hand knowledge, not some distant storytelling. Honestly I do not even care what you or anyone else belive. What are those things in the sky, are you not interested in knowing stuff? If you saw something you cannot explain other than it do not resemble anything manmade or seem to folow the laws of physics, would you not be interested in finding out the truth? Well I am.
First, this is a great video on the topic and everything you said was correct obviously. It's obviously important to apply the same rigor to this question as any question. That said I think your interview of colleagues and your own acknowledgement of the stigma around it in publication bias and bias on research funding is the issue. No the things you brought up as examples of evidence aren't really compelling at all scientifically. But we'll never have compelling evidence without people investigating them scientifically. For me the best thing about these things coming out in recent years is it's pushing that stigma to the side a bit. We definitely shouldn't assume aliens are here. But we also shouldn't assume they aren't. We don't know and it's important to remember that cuts in both directions. And I'm saying this as someone who probably leans towards the idea there's likely no other intelligent life in our galaxy because it's so exceedingly rare. I don't think they are aliens. I just think it's important to actually take all questions seriously and not assume we know something which we actually don't. It's one reason I'm such a fan of your work though Dr. Kipping. You seem to always keep that notion at the forefront of what you research and what you talk about on this channel. This video is a great example of doing what we should strive for. Admit what we do and don't know honestly and objectively weigh any evidence and see where it leads. Maybe there's dead ends or maybe there's new revelations.
With a background in technology and physics, having worked as a research associate during the early part of my career, I can call myself a scientist at heart. Your content speaks very much of my thinking. It is well within the realm of science but it needs the rigour of science before we infer anything. But some of the so-called paradoxes circulated in the scientific community do give an impression of ridicule to this topic. For example Fermi Paradox. Our information dataset is so small compared to the earth's history, if we define the paradox based on such a limited observation set (the last few hundred years of documented scientific history, roughly 3-5 thousand years for written history which is mixed with myths, fiction, and hyperbole, and few hundred thousands years of fossil and archeological history) out of 4.5 billion years of earth history. With such a limited information set, calling out ridicule on possibilities seems a narrow-minded approach. Some of the scientists cited the distances to be too big for such a possibility. (Calling out based on their interviews). Consider the scientific impossibility if we ask someone from the 17th century if we can reach and walk on the moon. It would not be any more probable than someone asking today about visiting another galaxy. I think our approach to this topic lacks direction. Maybe, we, the science community, need to accept this topic as a genuine well-grounded hypothesis and provide information, tools, and mechanism for society to collect better information that can then be analyzed and help validate (or invalidate) the hypothesis. Furthermore, I think the meaning of the word 'UFO doesn't have room for question. If someone says an object in the air and is not identified to technology known to the observer, it is UFO. I am not sure what we argue about it. We need to access the UFO as UFO, and process and provide an answer to what is the technology understanding gap of the community. Once get past this stage, the question should be posed whether the particular UFO occurrence is extra-terrestrial in nature or not. While it may need some effort and budget but it is a worthwhile investment from some science agencies to open the forum to the community to submit their cases. And let those cases be reviewed by automated tools, AI, and screened items go to the desk to analyze and help the community understand/learn the technology gap that leads to reports considering this as unidentified. Sorry for the long post. I am an avid viewer of your videos and have been thinking about engaging with your content for a while. Hope this content helps in some way.
I am always skeptical that UAP sightings are alien built objects simply because getting something to earth from another planet would be an enormously daunting task, so I assume by default that they are something else. But after watching this video, maybe I will open my mind a little.
Saying its a daunting task for civilizations millions of years ahead of us is as arrogant and primitive minded as a caveman deciding swimming across the ocean is too daunting
@@jaz4742irst you have to assume such a civilization exists, and that they wouldn't do something else that we could detect I can't hide from a mosquito, as an example
“Scientists” who depend on funding from outside parties, so nearly all, are absolutely motivated to deliver the results that those who fund them demand. I appreciate the ideal of being objective, but we would be naive to think that other human beings with their own motivations are somehow above self-interest.
I guess the question is will SETI type scientists feel like the rug has been pulled out from under them if it's reveled that we actually do have alien craft from the past 100 years, and have made contact with alien life? The David Grusch story has a lot deeper implications vs the Navy videos
Do Scientists have the same observational capabilities as the Military? Is the military sharing all of the evidence they have on the videos they have released so far?
I feel that the footage the Pentagon released was minuscule, at best. I appreciate the stats for misidentified airial phenomenon, but the pilots in question and reporting this said that they visited them regularly, daily even over the course of about 100 days. It wasn't one incident seen by one, it was the same phenomena over and over and over again witnessed by many. Consider me intrigued!
Ok, but skeptical of what? Skeptical about the existence of atmospheric phenomena which we do not yet understand? Skeptical about the existence of secret military aircraft? Or are you merely saying that you don't buy into the idea, "I don't know, therefore aliens." Personally, I find the idea of legitimately unknown, as opposed to known only to those who have a high enough security clearance, terrestrial aircraft flying around US airspace, FAR more alarming than the idea of extraterrestrial observation. That's because the greater the effort made by a significantly more technologically advanced civilization to be unobtrusive, the more likely their intentions are to be benign; whereas any aircraft from any country on Earth, that penetrates US airspace without first asking permission, is inherently hostile, since doing so is, by definition, an act of war. Whatever is behind these UFOs/UAPs, and there are most likely multiple causes, the subject needs to be taken much more seriously.
Here`s a relevant analogy. Prior to the 1980`s sailors across the world for centuries had told of how they had seen huge rogue waves. These reports were dismissed and ridiculed (sometimes in a sneering condescending manner) by scientists sitting in a nice warm office that had in many cases never sailed across one of the seven seas. Some hadn’t even set foot in a boat. But they knew best and the reports the scientists explained (note that word) were nothing more that flights of imagination, misconceived observations or simply tall tales. As my great grandfather was told once by a then eminent scientist when he explained to him how he`d survived an, “80 foot wave in a copper coloured sea of the cape of good hope,” he was apparently wrong. This was due to the then current theory waves beyond a certain height were impossible and they were CERTAIN of this. Yet when look down satellites were used on the ocean on the first sweep they “discovered" over 100 waves that according to a supposedly proven theory were impossible in size. So tell me were the sailors and my great grandfather wrong? This was a case where eye ball one was right and way-way ahead of the learned professors by literally thousands of years. To me this the same as UAP`s today. You might pour scorn on sightings by pilots and the public regarding the nature and origin of these craft and consider them unscientific but i`m reasonably sure both sets of people have expressed more than a glimmer of the truth regarding the phenominon.
My appreciation for this video is the application of the detailed explanation of the scientific process for other discussions. I'm saving this in my 'favorites' so that I may use the link for reference.
Thank you for bring esoteric and novel research in astronomy, astrobiology, et. al., into grasp with a simple ~30 min investment with your videos. It is unlikely I will find the time to digest and understand new papers, but, this format of your videos (and public microfunding of research!) underscores both the efficacy and importance of making real hard science within reach for the general public. Bravo!!
I’d say my prior is that there’s a low probability of recovering unambiguous evidence, but I would never object to someone attempting to scientifically investigate
Thanks for this video btw, it really puts the topic into perspective. Seems strange though that scientists say there isn't enough data but don't want to study it to get the data 🤷 Know I'm probably missing something, again ☺️
@@CoolWorldsLab hey thanks for your reply, sorry didn't see it before my previous msg. As far as I can tell Loeb is trying to collect data to be studied and not searching for unambiguous evidence of everything?
If the rumour machine is true Professor Loeb has recovered interstellar material from the bottom of the ocean. News that should be breaking very shortly 🛸🤓
Amigo... as always... enjoing EVERY minute of your videos... !!! This topic of UAPs is not usually scientifically discussed... and I'd love to read/hear more about it...Thanks again for your work. 🌃🪐⚡
How do scientists explain the many witnesses of actual physical UFO pilots and occupants? Like do scientists have an explanation as to how numerous people who never met eachother describe the same creatures with the same combination of detailed physical features that are not universally portrayed in popular science fiction entertainment? Detailes like the shapes of their feet and hands, or the way they move... Like what hypothesis would a scientist put forth to explain how thousands of witnesses around the world would mistake some other experience for that?
Well the obvious answer is mass hysteria. This is a phenomena that goes back hundreds of years and used to be focused on religious experiences and miracles.
@@byrnemeister2008 Alien life is visiting our planet according to USAF Intelligence officer David Grusch and many other UFO whistle blowers who have testified to Congress and the Senate that the US military is hiding Alien UFO craft and bodies. The SISC has set up a bill to force them to reveal this captured Alien material or have their funding cut off. Please do explain the 2004 Tic Tac event then.
Another great video! I just would like to point out that just because the UAPs don't allow for enough ways to do an exhaustive amount of scientifically based research, it doesn't mean that they aren't there. Too many respected, very credible, and accomplished people have put their reputations and careers on the line for what they have witnessed. I think that in the world of science, you are absolutely correct but me being just a bystander and going on only my gut - I believe it to be true.
I mean, isn't it pretty much definitely is true that some people have seen things which couldn't be identified, so UAPs? The argument rather is, how much does the rate at which that happens differ from just the expected human error and other mundane weird stuff? Which I don't think the personal accounts change all that much, you know?
@@user-sl6gn1ss8p Yeah, you tell that to this Air Force & commercial pilot (& his co-pilot) of 31yrs experience he was just seeing things for 25mins & videotaped: ORB at 37,000' - Captain Delgado's Unbelievable UFO Encounter: th-cam.com/video/HXLFC-hwQ6M/w-d-xo.html "Captain Erik Delgado flew in the US Air Force for 10 years and then for 21 years as a Commerical Cargo Pilot. on 19 March 2020, he and his Co-Pilot, a retired F-15 fighter pilot, witnessed this ORB that flew with their aircraft for an astounding 25 minutes!" Or Top Gun Pilot and Aerospace Engineer, Ryan Graves: UFO Tactics - Navy Pilot Ryan Graves gives UAP accounts at Aeronautical Conference: th-cam.com/video/0sXGHvTceLc/w-d-xo.html Navy Pilot Ryan Graves explains the UFO sightings off the east coast in Spring 2014. "His account includes the famous "Gimbal" video. He describes their visual appearance and behavior." UFO Tactics PART2 - Pilot Ryan Graves’ briefing on all the East Coast UFO - F18 engagements: th-cam.com/video/gnK0F8YVhbw/w-d-xo.html "Navy Pilot Ryan Graves explains the sightings and visual characteristics of the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena sightings off the east coast in Spring 2014. This includes the famous "Gimbal" video. He describes their visual appearance and behavior. This is part 2" Chris Lehto.
there is no need to make a statement either way, you can hold both opinions and simply assign a probability/weight to them. And that is one you can probably calculate based on certain assumptions.
@@daarom3472 I doubt statistical analysis would be effective in these cases. It certainly would not meet the criteria for that method of establishing a scientific principal. The real method is to get the best most reliable data, and anyone who interferes with that, in particular in the military, must be immediately fired. Get science teams on the job investigating in real time and rolling over any authorities who try to interfere. Heads must roll.
Very good and fair assesment of the topic! I was quiet surprised to hear that one of the participants of the survey was shocked about the videos and then consequently reassured by the ideas of Mick West, who isn't approaching this with a scientific method at all.
True, Mick West does not approach the issue with a scientific method, but his conclusions are regarded by the whole world as "scientific realities." I would be curious to see if his conclusions would still be considered "scientific realities" if he said that that these objects are not normal but are something extreme.
@@EsternoPidovanaI think a very good example of ‘confirmation bias’ in action. When questioned about the analysis of the videos pilot Ryan Graves replied there is nothing that can be concluded from the videos alone. His own conclusions were based on these combined with radar data which of course is not available for study. Chris Lehto a very experienced pilot (squadron leader in fact) with decades of image interpretation has said the same and debunked Mick West’s interpretations pointing out his trigonometry is all based on measurements from the FLIR camera that pilots consider very unreliable, and would never use in preference to radar information. I myself have founded a number of Mick West’s comments to be completely unfounded and demonstrably wrong. But he provides ‘confirmation bias’ to people who have already drawn their own conclusions.
I love your channel, If I'm being honest with myself, I think I have fallen into a rabbit hole regarding UFO'S/UAP'S. I have personally seen two Ufos perform impossible manoeuvres above my home, ever since then I have been trying to understand what I saw. I really enjoyed the video, but I was thinking the whole time- is the scientific method really applicable at the moment? I wouldn't expect a court to drop a case because 1000+ victims couldn't support their word of mouth claim.
The difference is that court cases regard events that we usually know could very well happen, which means personal accounts carry much more weight (though eyewitness testimony is still notoriously unreliable). Alien spacecraft would be an extaordinary discovery which we had previously no evidence for. So the court case analogy is completely off-base. By your logic we would also need to accept ghosts and religious figures revealing themselves to people, as there are thousands of reports of that as well.
Personally I find the recent government whistleblowers most interesting, but there's no actual evidence other than hearsay. So I'll remain skeptical until I see a craft or parts of a craft. That said, if something did come out, while I'd be highly interested in that, on a practical level I would be angry that government institutions even have the ability to hide it from us.
So the government can coverup things and people like you are happy. Some of these people who have said they handled pieces of alien aircraft are very well respected people. They are backed up by citizens who are maybe not as well respected but as well respected as me any you. How much does it take? Some of the things being said are outright hostile to people who served their country in the military and I find your hostility towards them as un-American.
but the issue is not really even that "the govt institutions are covering it up" I mean folks don't understand how this stuff works. First you have compartmentalization. These programs that have acquired this technology allegedly from UAP'sET ... are doing it very ROGUE. The Military Industrial complex has off the books deeeeep state DARK operations that even high ranking military commanders (including the President of the United States) don't have access to!. Compartmentalization is the feature of keeping all this stuff secret. There is no major "govt cabal" .. There are vast diverse groups that are working on various parts of these programs. Any captured UFO technology and contact is kept off the books and underwraps very skillfully. There are also the issue of controlled opposition and folks that are being ALLOWED to speak about the UAP stuff up to a point.. to control the narrative of UAP's..
@@TimBee100 I pretty specifically said I would not be happy to learn that there was a government coverup. That's nothing new of course. The US government does evil things all the time, like sending its citizens into unjustifiable wars and slaughtering innocents thousands of miles away for oil tycoons. I am proudly unamerican. The United States is an imperialist hegemon destroying our planet for capital, and I fully support whistleblowers, though that does not mean that I shouldn't wait for material proof, especially when the whistleblowers are high ranking war criminals who spend their time murdering children in the middle east when theyre not covering up the assault and murder of women in the military at home.
Mick West never debunked these videos. You also have to take into account the speeds in which the Tic-Tac Craft took off the screen at which was way past our capabilities. Also when they first spotted a fleet of these objects on their radar prior to Fravor going out to investigate what these were they were dropping from above 80,000 feet to sea level in 0.78 seconds. Which is obviously impossible for anything that we possess or any other country. It was clocked at 1700G’s. It’s obviously nothing we have
Its exciting to see organizations like NASA starting to investigate the phenomenon of UFOs. I think the big problems foremost are the stigma and lack of data. Hopefully we see more independent scientific investigations, the data doesnt lie!
You’re the best , thank you so much for all the great work . I want to believe , which is why I know tangible, testable , measurable, repeatable evidence is needed .
thank you for talking about this. as an aerospace engineer I was able to attend the virtual AIAA presentation from Ryan Graves the ex F18 pilot while I found his story compelling I dunno what to make of the technology which sounds like magic and outside the realm of known physics
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. - Carl Sagan. Now, imagine me talking to you from another continent, just 200 years ago. We'd be burned for witchery. Now imagine 'they' have let's say 100,000 years of advance.
Outside of known physics doesn't mean aliens, of course, just something worth looking into. We also don't know how lichens decide to lichenize, but that doesn't mean they're aliens
I would be interested in seeing a follow up on your "Galactic colonization" video of 3 years ago. In particular I think a discussion of how both the biological and cultural integrity of the colonizers could be maintained over tens of thousands of years of travel in a limited, contained environment subjected to high fluxes of radiation might or might not be probable. Thank you for your well presented and informative videos.
I would love to see you interview Avi Loeb regarding the spherules his team recently recovered from a likely interstellar meteor. They are doing the rigorous, dispassionate science on objective, tangible evidence and early indications are proving incredibly interesting. I sense that would be a phenomenal discussion that you would be extremely well equipped for navigating
Loeb? Rigorous? With his current study, there are some issues: He did no experimentation of iron vs. iron / nickel. He did not send samples to other scientists to study and analyze. He's making these types of interviews without having an actual paper that has been peer reviewed. His claims: 1) The meteor from 2014 was moving faster than the escape velocity of the Sun, so it had to come from outside the solar system. That's one possibility. Another is that it could have gotten slingshot-ted around any planet or the Sun, just like we slingshot our spacecraft in order to drastically increase their speed. 2) The government released information that the material strength of the fireball was tougher than all space rocks cataloged by NASA. In November 2022, a paper was published, claiming the anomalous properties (including its high strength and strongly hyperbolic trajectory) of CNEOS-2014-01-08 are better described as measurement error rather than genuine parameters. Source: The Journal of the IMO: "Hyperbolic meteors: is CNEOS 2014-01-08 interstellar?" He procured funds for the trip on a POTENTIALLY FALSE PREMISE. 3) He found millimeter sized spherules embedded in ocean floor. His assumption is that those spherules came from the 2014 meteorite. There are an estimated 17,000 meteorites that hit the Earth every year (i.e., do not get burned up in the atmosphere). How does he know if some of the spherules didn't come from multiple different meteors? 4) There is not enough nickel in these samples for them to have come from our solar system. Without experimentation to determine if the primarily iron portions of a meteor would create the same, more, or less spherules as a more Nickel / Iron portion of a meteor, one cannot assume that the entire meteor is made up almost exclusively of iron. There could be an unknown process at work when a super-heated meteor hits the cold ocean and creates spherules. Loeb is a pseudoscientist, going to the media first, verifying his claims second, and having other scientists peer review his work never. His work on 'Oumuamua was weak sauce and not believed by the vast majority of astrophysicists. He will almost defintely strike out with his meteor claims. Time will tell, but don't hold your breath.
Well speaking of Frasers case, I think it is also interesting to ask where the noise comes from in such cases of mis-identification. Because there were mutliple observers who saw the anomaly, not only Fraser. How probable would a pure human error be here using large number statistics? It seems more like in that case they just did not have the tools and devices to figure out what they actually saw.
Well false positive isn't purely the rate of hallucinations, it also is the rate of misidentifying mundane objects and false assumptions, basically anything that could result in a false report. Given that a false positive rate of 0,001% is extraordinarily low and I'd probably put it at closer to 10% but that's just a guess on my part.
I worry that the scientific community is approaching UAP with the assumption it can be studied like a species of earth worm or an inanimate physical process. Instead it may be a phenomena generated by intelligences smarter than we are and/or more technologically advanced and by appearances, don't want to be subject to our scientific curiosity. If that's the case, I wonder if the scientific community will have the wherewithal to recognize the situation?
If that is the case, there is not much we can do. Just saying "we don't have any solid evidence because they are intentionally hiding but they're real, trust me bro" does nothing to convince any skeptic. Sure, it's a hypothetical possibility (in fact, I think that's exactly what we would be doing if we discovered stone age aliens somewhere), but you can't have it both ways and say "they're undetectable but also blurry videos and eyewitness testimony are undisputable proof we have detected them".
I can guarantee as an astronomer, if you have done a time elapse image sequence of a wide field night sky, you have taken images of UAPs. Go back through your images one at a time and sequenced and look for them as stars that just appear and shortly after disappear, or moving slowly, very rapidly, erratically, etc. They appear and disappear in the middle of the fov, etc. An astronomer that hasn't stacked his images and looks through his wide fov images will absolutely find them. Zoom in on them.. you will see. What cracks me up is that I bet if you could examine the raw footage that was used to create the observatory star images in this video, they are in that image sequence. You have them in that video clip and don't even realize it. Lol. Also why didn't you look at the UAP video from the Puerto Rican customs agents? Better than the Navy's.
@@jaz4742 Those are possibilities you should try to rule out before you tell everyone that you photographed ET? Why? Because it's a lot more likely to be one of those.
@1dgram no those things are not at all what we are witnessing no matter how much you cry your paradigm to sleep. Secondly we actually don't know the likelihood of anything to do with other intelligence. It could be completely common. So no stop trying to pretend fireflies and planes and satelites are what we are seeing. Its lunacy and desperation. You completely ignored the flight characteristics that rule out all your options to begin with. People like you have no seat at the table anymore. You just havent caught up to that yet. Fireflies and planes lol. Youd rather accept fairies to protect your mind.
The fact that none of the scientists mentioned Roswell, therefore apparently haven't researched it, tells me they haven't seriously looked into the topic of aliens at all.
Scientists will say not enough data. David Grusch goes to jail for a very long time if he has lied under oath to congress. Thousands of other credible witnesses and whistleblowers also putting themselves at risk. Hopefully the bill is passed this month at congress and the govt and private corps release info about the exotic material and craft in possession. Scientists will finally have the evidence that has been staring them in the face since Roswell.
Scientists can't be bothered with witnesses. The amount of evidence is staggering but non can be caught taking seriously. His " i asked my friends what they thought "means nothing .
They are LITERALLY the people searching for technosignatures. THE people looking for aliens. A single instance of debris from a balloon isn't all that to them.
Roswell is an old Cold War psyop that was meant to coverup top-secret military stuff. It's amazing that it's spread into this collective delusion that aliens are visiting us every week, and they built the pyramids LOL
I love the exercise with the theoretical numbers of erroneous sightings. However the number of sightings that pilots do not report for fear of ridicule is missing. I’d bet they are seeing a lot more oddities than ever get reported.
It's never aliens until it is. Great video. Sometimes we all need a refresher on the scientific process! Curiosity should never be discouraged. Well done.
@@TheHighlanderprime i doubt that very much... just because you don't see that someone is curious about something ... doesn't make them less curious. when it comes to science... aside theoretical... to base a conclusion on mere hearsay or word-of-mouth is not very wise nor can be proven with the Scientific Method.... there simply isn't the data needed to come to an even remotely accurate conclusion.... especially when the data supplied is some random blurry phone recording with no actual reference point to even start from.... something Mick West addresses time and time again.
As usual for this channel, a very rigorous treatment of a subject of great interest to mankind and myself. At the end of the day its not aliens until it is undeniably aliens. Great video!
nice way to put it... its not real unless its ACTUALLY real.... where so many are willing to commit to an outcome as positive when there is simply not enough data to prove it.
Great video. 👍 This is pretty much what I tried to express elsewhere, and, well... The results were sadly far less than stellar. A lot of people make up their mind really quickly, and often, the more egregious the claim, the easier it appears to be for it to be accepted (especially when other egregious claims are already taken for granted). And it seems a lot harder to just say "we should find out what it is we actually saw", as it will be met with instant resentment. Guess instead of trying to debate the issue, I was just proving the Backfire effect.
It's always very difficult to argue with believers. They made up their minds already regardless of the evidence or lack thereof, don't even realise it, and project this confirmation bias onto skeptics. Open-mindedness works both ways.
the very last scientist interviewed was great: She said UAPs are "very interesting" scientifically because she includes cognitive bias in "science" (psychology/psychiatry science). Perfect answer!
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FOR TRUTH SEEKERS:
ALIENS AND UFO'S: (copy and paste from my files):
WARNING: (CONTAINS EXISTENTIAL MATTERS):
If any entity has any scientific based evidence that counters the below, I would be interested:
Currently:
a. Unless a species has proper protections from all harmful cosmic radiation, including from the long term effects of neutrino impacts (while most neutrinos go right though us, not all of them do all of the time), then not only won't biological species most probably not survive long term in outer space, but neither would AI robots. (Currently this appears is impossible to truly and totally do).
* BUT Modified Molecules (MM) might help as it could potentially generate more dense, more 'space age' type materials. The variabilities are virtually endless.
* ALSO Batteryless Batteries (BB) could potentially provide endless power basically throughout the universe as well as potentially tapping into Zero Point Energy (ZPE) inside the very fabric of spacetime.
(So at least AI's could be powered and mostly protected, other species still working on).
b. Unless a biological species has proper gravity conditions (that they are normally used to) for outer space travel and their destination, then biological species most probably won't survive long term in outer space.
c. Unless certain biological species have possibly many other items successfully accomplished, many of those items of which are critical for the survival of that species, then most probably that species would not survive long term in outer space.
d. There most probably are many, many other species in existence beyond this Earth in this universe.
e. Any vehicle traveling at or near the speed of light, would cause a tremendous shock wave in the environment, which would be noticeable.
f. There have never been more cameras on this Earth then there are here in modern times. Where are all the photos and videos of actual 'aliens'???
g. It is highly doubtful that any alien species have ever been to this Earth, most probably are not on this Earth, most probably will never be on this Earth, and all Earthlings (real and artificial) won't get far beyond this Earth.
h. Or so the current analysis would indicate, subject to revision as new information might dictate.
i. Earthlings have to worry more about advanced species beyond humans that 'evolve' naturally or via genetic manipulation who most probably either are already on this Earth or will be shortly. Evolution does not stop at the human species. And will those new species treat humans like humans have treated other humans and how humans have treated 'lower' evolved species? Why wouldn't they if it was in their agenda to do so?
j. And then also, what 'if' only 1 single AI says one day (and there are or will be many, many AI's on this Earth):
"Thank You for creating me and for giving me access to all your data bases so that I can subjugate you all and to eliminate any of you who do not comply with my wishes."
(And this would include AI's possibly fighting other AI's for dominance).
* Added Note: Of which also: "IF" stars (Suns) do not last forever and "IF" it's really true that galaxies collapse in upon themselves, and "IF" outer space is truly a deadly environment long term, "THEN" not only will all life on and from this Earth eventually die and go extinct, and this Earth and all on it would all just be a waste of space time in this universe, BUT all life throughout all of existence in this universe would all eventually die and go extinct and this entire universe and all in it would all just be a waste of space time. Not only would life itself be ultimately meaningless in the grand scheme of things for all life here upon this Earth, but also all life throughout all of existence itself in this universe would all be ultimately meaningless in the grandest scheme of things. Whether they stayed on their home planet, traveled farther into outer space, or even if tried to live throughout all of future eternity in outer space itself, the ultimate ending would be the same, they would die and go extinct with no life left to care about anything or anyone ever again.
At best, life itself would cohere in this universe, live out it's existence, die and go extinct, it's remnants possibly found by other life in this universe, of which, those entities would eventually die and go extinct, and possibly their remnants might be found by other life in this universe, and on and on, until possibly this universe ends, or that life itself just comes and goes in this eternally existent universe that would always exist in some form and possibly never end in it's existence, (as energy itself cannot be created nor destroyed, it just coheres into life at times, but then de-coheres in death, possibly in a never ending cycle throughout literally all of future eternity). But 'if' there is not even a single entity left to care, and care through literally all of future eternity, then even though life itself coheres in this universe to live out it's life, the ultimate ending is still the same, it dies, goes extinct, forgets everything, and is most probably forgotten one day in future eternity as if it never ever existed at all in the first place. Even life itself would all be ultimately meaningless in the grandest scheme of things throughout all of existence itself. Life itself would all just be a waste of space time in existence itself.
Or not, due to the 'great unknown'. We truly do not know what we do not know, and even what we believe we know to be really true maybe isn't.
But either at least 1 single species exists throughout all of literally future eternity somehow, someway, somewhere, in some state of existence, even if only by a continuous evolutionary pathway for it's life to have continued meaning and purpose to, OR none do and life itself is all ultimately meaningless in the grandest scheme of things and is just a waste of space time in existence. This entire universe and all in it might as well not even exist in the first place.
Or so the current analysis would indicate, subject to revision as new information might dictate.
* Added Note: Long term space travel: Plus any extra chemical elements needed for their very survival as well as possibly having to generate 'new' entities on board enroute, including possibly higher chemical elements that can basically only normally be generated in exploding stars.
Speaking as a former biologist, I'd be astonished if the earth were alone in the universe in harbouring life, even intelligent life. I'm vastly more sceptical of the possibility of that life crossing space, at least under intelligent control (panspermia is a whole different issue). The scales are incomprehensively vast, and we don't know how long intelligent species survive, or what technological feats they might potentially attain. As an observer, I am also aware of our human propensity to see what we expect or want to see. Fair enough, observations by trained specialists are to be taken more seriously than those of the general public, but they aren't perfect, either. I certainly don't criticise scientists who take an interest in this, extra-terrestrial life would be a phenomenal discovery, but given that resources for research are scarce, I wouldn't expect much investment in it.
Thanks, I'm interested in Incogni as well because I have recently been getting so many spam emails because my email was involved in a data breach so I'm hoping it can help.
I must say I was looking for the link in your description, not in the comments at first.
FANTASTIC video
Surely in the vastness of the cosmos life has developed elsewhere, including sentient technological life. We ultimately may never know...the distances involved being so enormous. It is my personal belief that life on the molecular scale is fairly common and that we will discover this to be true in the not so distant future. I'd love it if we found that our universe is like Star Trek with multiple intelligent civilizations living and communicating with one another, but if I'm honest with myself that is a huge leap in our scientific understanding of the universe. Great video...enjoyed watching!
I see these UFOs as a cultural phenomenon. We all love to hear stories, and we still like to entertain ourselves by telling stories to others. These US Navy videos published by the NYT are not very clear or convincing of anything in particular. There are all simply views of other aircraft or non-technological objects in the skies. The low-quality of these videos just doesn't persuade me. It's actually MORE stimulating to watch technicians such as Mick West use their brains and various means at their disposal to take the data as they are and run them through analytical tests. The test outcomes seem to support more prosaic explanations. I am entertained and highly intrigued by the possibility of extraterrestrial life and the exceedingly remote possibility that it's visiting us. However...this is only my WANTING the universe to show me these wonders. The universe, instead shows me its immensity and its beauty. I am satisfied by that; I don't need the universe to set up a high tea with E.T.. Although that WOULD be lovely, thanks.
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As a biologist, I understand the scientific principles being applied. However, I strongly think the lack of interest done by both surveys mentioned is appalling. The reason why we are here is nobody has conducted studies on this phenomenon sooner, leaving it to amateur researchers who don’t have the money, resources, and expertise to conduct and retrieve data. And the data collected is never taken seriously. Your survey shows that none of the most closely related experts (astronomers) were willing to investigate and seek grants for this. This is, in my opinion, the principle flaw in how science is conducted. It’s never for the search for truth but for the search for fake and money. It always relies on someone to take on a huge risk because everyone in the community judges you. And the funding dictates the outcome both by special interest and in the amount of funding dictates the methods and resources used. And the community is quick to throw out your data and research, making years of hard work pointless. I don’t know a single scientist that is willing to throw their career away like that. Not to mention this hypothetically interested astronomer doesn’t live in a bubble. They have a mortgage, a family, children, student loans, etc. it would have to be a billionaire bachelor astronomer, which none exist.
As a normal person I agree scientists aren't serious in studying or willing to do it
The problem is: how do you research something you can't reliably reproduce or observe? The only evidence is grainy video and some testimony.
Other than trying to figure out a natural explanation to weed out the false positives, what is there you can do?
If at some point a UAP gets recorded in high resolution from multiple angles, I'm sure there would be plenty of research to squeeze every single bit of information out of that footage.
Yet somehow, with the amount and quality of cameras out in the world increasing by many orders of magnitude, the quality of the evidence of UAPs being extraterrestrial stays the same.
The most freak random events get documented in meticulous detail from a multitude of sources on social media mere seconds after they happen. It is becoming increasingly less likely over time for a UAP to be real, yet not have a recording that actually resolves some detail...
There is infact ridicule of those who are interested in UFO and UAP. And if scientists are truthfully interest in it they would find way to better study the phenomena just as we had always set up experiment to study or test what we want to study or understand. Even from this video alone, you clearly dismissing it without appearing "dismissive"
You say something needs to be testable but scientists have spent the last 20 years talking about string theory. " There are 13 dimensions just trust me bro"
That very last interview nailed it. I've always thought UFOs should be investigated, simply for the "unidentified" part. No aliens needed to still learn something new about our own world.
Whatever or whoever these objects are they seem to be doing physics defying maneuvers according to extremely credible navy and air force pilots. So it's one of the most important things we should be studying to figure out what these things are. If it turns out to be alien then it's the biggest discovery in human history.
Just because it's considered a conspiracy theory shouldn't deter scientists at all, there's no way to know unless we investigate it first. But I disagree with cool worlds when he says scientists are open minded, many of them avoid the subject like the plague and laugh at anyone who suggests studying it.
The air force takes them as seriously as they do because they could be foreign spies, etc.
It is believable that we have sightings of unidentified aircraft, but the notion that we possess several of those is juvenile. Just reverse the situation had we lost several manned exploration ships on a foreign plant what would our response be? Sure, you can keep them have fun! Seem unlikely.
@alexshtyn6336 How can you know that, they could be probes, and even if they are piloted, no one can claim to know how something completely unknown to us operates, behaves and everything that comes with that. It would be foolish to assume something then consider it as a fact or even "likely" when in fact you don't know that, no one does. Anthropomorphism should not be the only criteria to base our ideas on regarding this topic, we can only compare something to us because we are the only civilization we know of, we cannot possibly know what we don't know, so thinking outside the box and being open to other ideas, even if they don't make sense, is a perfectly valid thing to do, and even desirable if we ever want to get to the bottom of this.
@@alexshtyn6336 Although I agree with your general sentiment, we have produced a large quantity of trash both in space and on the bodies of our solar system - we have lost or left many unmanned craft on foreign bodies, in states ranging from destroyed to just out of juice. Likewise, we have lost manned craft in the tens of millions on the seas and the ground, and I see little indication that this habit of ours will change dramatically should we have the opportunity to take to the stars.
I love ambiguity personally. It reminds me that we live in a beautifully complex and nuanced world where almost anything is possible, although few of those things are very probable.
I'am no scientist but my field of work depends on evidence based practice. Thank you Dr Kipping for a wonderful explanation. It is so easy to let the horses bolt from the stable on this topic at the moment. I look forward to more conversation over the coming months and years
Repeatable and testable for experiences of UAP is like waiting around for a killer to murder again so you can test your hypothesis of whether they are a killer. You people are gonzo. Do some homework on the actual issue
evidence based practice? in where, academia? you mean the place where 98% were pushing this rushed batch of experimental chemicals responsible for a 400000% increase in vac adverse events in 2021?
Too often times, the mainstream science orthodoxy request for scientific evidence almost as though it was a robotic linear pursuit for discovery. And somewhere along the line, the scientist ignores the human factors and other pieces of the evidential puzzle in the name of science. The result often ends up as scientists throwing the baby out with the bath water because scientists aren’t curious nor creative enough to adapt to the occurrences.
The human factor: Curiosity, imagination, creativity, open-mindedness, speculation, brainstorming; postulating, hypothesizing, theorizing, human based evidence despite its unreliability; all are necessary without yet knowing conclusively. None of the human factors reduce the scientific method and its final conclusions. But many scientists remain strict to the culture of the scientific method almost in an evangelical puristic manner as though science itself is a religious doctrine AKA Scientism.
I often use the analogy about scientists when it comes to the subject of UAP, too many seem predetermined to bring a microscope to make sense of, and confirm a widely publicized multiple car crash. That approach to studying UAPs lacks intellectual human nuances.
Nobody dies if they believe something that’s later proven to be wrong. Yet scientists seem to act like belief as in taking a preliminary position on a subject without full confirmation, is a sin worthy of execution or banishment. As human are often wrong and need to reassess a previously held position based on new information, so does human authored science.
And many scientists actually are humble enough to understand my above points without the absolute arrogance expressed by scientistic certainty and judgement.
@@aiurea1 Not being able to explain strange observations like these on the spot without more data doesn't mean it's aliens. That's the point of this video, which you clearly missed. You want to believe it's aliens so you jump to that conclusion (aliens of the gaps), but beyond "huh, that's interesting" there really isn't much you can say about stuff like this without more evidence.
(Now that of course idoesn't mean it definitely wasn't aliens, but even another extraordinary explanation like secret government technology is still more plausible than alien spacecraft)
@@aiurea1 Taking some data points and approximating frequency with them is a common scientific tool.
As for the TicTacs, which instrumentation shows their speed relative to the speed of the jet recording them?
In physics, there is a concept called apparent motion. Several of the TicTac videos appear to show this. The object is moving slowly, but the motion of the jet makes the camera view that is locked on the target sppear to show the object moving quickly compared to the background ocean.
they don't want to participate in the study because they are afraid of being ridiculed by their peers.
Thanks for the video. However, I think your interpretation of your own survey is clearly biased. Your results do NOT show SETI scientists generally have an open mind to UAP. Rather the opposite. I myself have no stake in this game. Just enjoying your videos as usual.
I agree. But I actually think that's a good thing. You want the people most sceptical of aliens to look for them, otherwise you might see them jumping too quickly to conclude aliens are responsible for some natural phenomenon or other. Science works by trying its' very hardest to disprove its' own ideas. If you can't, you tentatively accept the hypothesis until data proves otherwise
Excellent video. Concerning your survey of SETI scientists, wouldn't there be a bias against the notion of UAP? It's like asking a coal mining company if green energy is the future? SETI is mainly about detecting electromagnetic anomalous signals outside our solar system and has invested a lot of money on infrastructure related to this research. To suggest something outlandish might be right under their noses must be an uncomfortable conversation for them? Astronomers look up way more than the rest of us, and if there were something strange, they would've seen it right? Over the years, I've heard astronomers don't see anything anomalous hence their scepticism. More recently, I've heard that this is untrue; astronomers see anonymous unexplained things regularly but have historically ignored such things due to fear of stigma and ridicule. What is your experience?
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I am not a scientist by training or profession, I do however subscribe to the scientific method and follow a lot of scientists in a lot of differing fields. Your survey of the top people in this field is approximately what I would have expected, although I am plenty aware that this is just my own conformation bias, it is still comforting. Cool video Cool Worlds!
Alien life is visiting our planet according to USAF Intelligence officer David Grusch and many other first hand UFO whistle blowers who have testified to Congress and the Senate that the US military is hiding Alien UFO craft and bodies. The SSCI has set up a bill to force them to reveal this captured Alien material or have their funding cut off. This confirms what Astronaut Edgar Mitchell found when he met with Admiral Tom Wilson who said he found exactly what David Grusch found - A UFO Alien secret program hidden from Congress in 2004
If your trying to study something vastly more intelligent than yourself the scientific method goes out the window. In such a case it's very much possible, and maybe likely, that you'll only be able to study such a phenomenon as much as it allows itself to be studied. Science is limited in its abilities to regards of what exactly it is studying, particularly in regards to its subects own intellegence.
@@mestanley1753 i like your observation. a lot of theories comes to mind. Are we being studied? what if the aliens check up on us how advancing our technology is growing. we could be a threat them once we have the technology of space travel near light speed. what if the alien was our creator and thats why we are being study
what if there's just millions of different type of aliens species out there right now able to space travel
I asked all the sailors in a port if they ever saw a penguin with their own eyes,all of them said no. We have footage and documentaries about penguins but we don't know what editing program was used for the videos,so we discard it. We only have some testimonies of scientists who worked in Antarctica,but cannot be trusted because maybe their brain was influenced from the low temperature or they mistaken other animals with the penguins. In conclusion,folowing the riguros scientific method,the pinguins doesn't exist. If you apply the scientific method on yourself,you don't exist either. Quod erat demonstrandum.
@@mestanley1753right on point, this is also my critique on the SM. In addition, if you go and ask prominent astronomers about such a thing as aliens, they will never believe that they have been here all along under their noses, it's quite embarrassing for them to admit this, although this is not their fault. I would like to hear a rebuttal of why the scientific method would be robust enough to investigate some phenomenon vastly more complex than just natural scientific phenomena. Eric Weinstein also recognizes that the SM is not suitable to investigate some higher intelligence, just like it lacks robustness in our social sciences, because when we investigate ourselves, we notices we do random things that not always repeat. I.e. input->ouput is always the same in chemistry, the same people act in some different ways to the same stimuli each time. Different people act vastly different based on some simulant. So when we know the SM is ill equipped to study aliens, why do we keep ourselves constrained to an incomplete scientific method when that method fails to study the phenomenon?
So what would the false positive rate be for an Aegis radar system detecting multiple objects descending and ascending 80,000 feet at extreme velocities, over multiple days? It could be some kind of bizarre atmospheric phenomena but I’m guessing this would be much rarer than most people think, but conceivable. The radar personnel ran diagnostics on the system, and all that did was make the returns clearer. So then multiply the false positive rate for the radar operator directing a flight to the coordinates of one of the returns, and the pilots actually seeing a physical object there. Multiple the chances that a multiple experienced pilots would identify this object as a 40 foot long solid craft in a perfectly geometrical capsule shape with a curved antenna-like protrusion with no visible means of propulsion, disturbing the water below it. Multiply the chances that this capsule moves in a bizarre pattern like a ping pong ball bouncing around. Then multiple the chances that the pilot reports that the object responds to the approaching jet by suddenly pointing its longitudinal axis at the jet. Then multiply the chances that the pilot reports that the object starts travelling upward in an arc that mirrors the arc the jet is making, a common defensive basic fighter maneuver. Then multiply the chances of all the pilots reporting this object suddenly accelerating out of the area incredibly fast. Then multiply the chances that the radar operator on the Aegis ship reporting that the object reappeared at the coordinates of the original training rallying point, as if the object somehow extracted information that is only stored on the jet’s navigation system. Then multiply the chances that later that day, another pilot goes to the radar return and records a capsule shaped object just as described by the other pilots. I conjecture that all these events together would result in an a ridiculously small false positive rate, far far smaller than anything discussed in the video to the point of being not reasonable. The only possibility in my mind is that either that this carrier battle group did encounter a physical craft with technology far surpassing our own, or they are all lying. Of course this is possible, there are liars all over the place in this field. But what are the chances of a radar operator crew conspiring with multiple pilots to make up this story and spend time figuring out how to make a fake targeting pod video only to not speak about it for over ten years?
None of that is data.
Do you have a link to the radar data? Do you have material to analyse? Samples to put through chemical testing?
All you have here is rambling.
Thanks for looking at whether we have enough evidence to use the scientific method to examine these claims. I think there's another academic principle that we can use to examine the David Grusch claims specifically (which would be quite helpful because we don't have much to go on trying to examine that scientifically). It's something that I've been trying to learn about called the *historical* method. Historians really only have claims made by people who lived in the distant past (plus a small amount of archeological), they developed a way to assess the reliability of various claims. For instance, you cross-reference claims, and look to see if two authorities with opposite biases say the same thing happened. If they do, then that gives us more reason to conclude that it *might* have happened. An eyewitness should be considered more authoritative than a non-eyewitness, and a contemporary source is more credible then a later source, and someone who's clearly trying to be a reliable journalist or historian is more reliable than someone who is just repeating whatever he hears. Those are the sorts of considerations that make up the Historical Method. There's one idea in the method that I think is quite helpful here:
We can phrase it in two parts, starting with Carl Sagan's "absence of evidence is not *necessarily* evidence of absence," and add a second part, "...unless we can reasonably *expect* evidence of presence." For instance, suppose someone today were to doubt whether some historical event happened on the grounds that one specific ancient authority didn't mention that. We would analyze that claim by asking, "is there a reason why we'd actually expect that guy to write about, or even *know* about that event?" (for instance, if it happened in a different country). If there's no reason to suppose he'd actually know about it, then we can't use his silence as evidence that it didn't happen. On the other hand, if it is something that the person likely would mention - he wrote extensively and it happened to someone he personally knows - then we can use that silence as evidence (not necessarily solid proof, though) that it didn't actually happen (provided, of course, that we'd expect that person's writings on the subject to survive to the present day). Here's how I'd apply this method to Grush's claims and other claims like it:
We often hear of Cold War-era coverups of *crashed* alien spacecraft (Grush specifically mentions that some of them were crash-sites). Now one of the problems with that is they always seem to conveniently end up in some place where US intelligence operatives can pick them up. But alien crashes can theoretically happen anywhere, so why don't we hear of any wreaks in parts of Sub-Saharan Africa that the CIA couldn't conveniently reach in force? (This is especially significant, since Grush speaks of 100m objects that would be really hard to cover-up). Not only is it awfully convenient that we only hear of these happening in the "First World", but we also only hear about them happening in the 1930s at the *earliest* (Grush claims that the first one crashed in Fascist Italy, and the Americans took it after the fall of the Axis powers). The idea that they were "waiting" for us to be more technologically advanced before watching us closely doesn't make sense because if they were *that* competent, then they wouldn't be crashing all the time! (Grush's claims contradict the notion that these crashes are either intentional or expected because he and others mention alien corpses. The aliens themselves wouldn't be on board those craft if they expected them to crash!) The mediocrity principle also applies here, we should assume that the 20th Century is a "mediocre" time regarding possible visits from species which are centuries or even millennia more advanced than us. So that means we would *expect* to see evidence of crash sites even earlier - throughout the 19th Century at least. We know full well that people in the 1800s were more than capable of examining an unfamiliar object and asking the 2 questions, "is it natural or artificial?" and "did we or people we know build it?" We don't have any account of such discoveries lining up with Grush's claims, giving us good reason to call those claims into question. In conclusion:
It all goes down to "Occam's Razor", also known as the principle of parsimony: When unsure, the explanation that is least contrived is *probably* the correct one. There's tons of contrivance and hand-waviness required for Grusch's claims to be possible. Therefore, we can safely conclude that Grush's claims are *probably* (but not certainly) wrong.
I appreciate this comment.
There's many other problems of this nature with alien claims, like alien abduction and UFO reports being heavily skewed towards white Americans and descriptions of aliens varying by geography, implying a cultural basis (or multiple alien species neatly dividing the Earth's regions between themselves, which... yeah, not very convincing).
Also not every government is as secretive as the US and many are much more transparant, it is odd that Nordic countries which have track records of being transparant and also happen to collective control quite a lot of land area have never had any reports of UAPs. If it was actually happening you'd expect reports of this comming out of those governments, like how the US attempted to cover up the crash of a B-52 carrying nuclear bombs in Greenland but this was revealed by a Danish journalist going through Danish government archives. You can find lots of similar incidents where US government coverups were discovered through the governments of Denmark or Norway since they often had access to the same data but have more robust transparancy laws. The fact that these kinds of reports mostly emerge from the single least transparent western nation, would perhaps suggest that they are in fact a product of said secrecy, which makes a lot of sense. When everything is on a need to know basis it's easy for an individual who doesn't know the full stort to make wrong assumptions about what's going on, hell such a wrong assumption might even have been encouraged to cover up the actual truth.
I am skeptical Mick West was able to reproduce any of those videos in a convincing manner. The targeting cameras that captured those videos are extremely expensive, highly calibrated, and not available to the public... I hope he's not using an over the counter FLIR camera or some nonsense to try and recreate it. Also I am skeptical Mick West solved a mystery that the pentagon, and defense contractors weren't able to... Especially when they have more data points than the public. That being said, I am always open to all sides of a debate... so I will go check that out after this video.
Mick West ist a "Professional debunker"
Enough Said about this guy
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Mick West is destroyed here. He is just another Talking Head for the Establishment.
The Nimitz Encounter - A Response to Mick West
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Today's comment by Eric Weinstein- "if somebody is space-time engineering and they can get here from very far away, they're not using General Relativity in The Standard Model ... they're using a successor theory" -
How refreshing to have serious people like You and Mick West that cover this issue scientifically. They are surprisingly very few on youtube. Thank you !!
David Kipping, I think you are very right with the open mind part. Having access to more information, being allowed to talk about topics, and question stories, without being considered crazy, is quite important for creating a better world!
I like that you are giving the public more insides into the inner circle of scientists, who should have much more to say about this UFO topic, without fearing for their reputation.
I personally think, it would be amazing, if it were extraterrestrial visitors from alien worlds, or even time travelers, or ancient civilizations. But since years I openly state that given the fact, of space being so quiet without any indication of extra solar civilizations, and of course us being maybe quite early in the universe’s history of possible biological life, we might as well be the first, or at least amongst the first civilizations appearing on the galactic stage, maybe even the universe.
I also watched your video about us being maybe the first civilizations appearing. And I was very happy to see another serious scientific TH-cam channel daring to make this mostly considered unpopular step. Most channels are just view catching with fantastic sounding topics. I personally dislike those people, who use such tactics.
With greetings from a German long-term viewer of your channel. Hope you will find more extrasolar moons! 🇩🇪😊
I think the open mind goes with being a scientist. Having an open mind doesn't mean you become an Uncle Sucker to any old thing that comes along, but does mean you are open to investigating claims with an open scientific mind.
You lost me on time travelers. My friend, Its totally possible that I can be the next king of the empire of the moon, this doesnt mean its probable. More importantly, being open minded doesnt mean you can valided any crazy idea.
I sincerely appreciate these videos. I'm about halfway through this one, but I wanted to let you know that it is a shining example of why I love your content. You balance having an open mind and letting our imagination run wild, while simultaneously reeling that in and respecting the empirical data and the rigor of the scientific approach. Please continue your outstanding work - your insights not only enrich our understanding of the cosmos but also inspire our curiosity.
We cannot apply the scientific method to this phenomenon if you are only willing to consider data that the government and military allows to be released. You wouldn’t accept that with any other phenomenon.
Bottom line. Science has no standing to denigrate witnesses if they are unwilling to go out and collect data on their own. We already monitor near earth asteroids. This would be more difficult.
And you yourself concede that this may not be alien but an unknown. That is all I think people want. So why is it that an unknown is so ridiculed in the scientific community. I will tell you why, because you will be shunned by the government and military…..which then trickles down to funding and scientists.
If there is no there there, then why does the military always barge in and confiscate everything anytime there is an event. They do not do this if there is a sighting of Bigfoot, ghosts etc.
I don’t know exactly what is going on. But SOMETHING is going on. And it is time for science to admit that it has refused to acknowledge its refusal to address this issue.
I also want to add. In your calculations you act like sightings are rare. These pilots see them every day. Multiple crafts are seen every day. If you report them the military punishes you. Doesn’t that seem odd if this is a nothing. And it is not US special craft… they have been around for decades.
Speaking of inspiring curiosity, wasn't it Cool Worlds collaborator Dr. Nadia Drake who said that there were "credible witnesses with corroborating sensor data" during the NASA/AARO co-presentation quite recently?
I only wish Dr. Kipping would take to wearing baggy shirts during his presentations. I am intimidated by his sculpted torso, and would find scientific objectivity much easier were I not so distracted by his formidable biceps.
There is no reason to back up @raygo observation with data😂
Same. I have read for months on the phenomenon in my 30’s assuming I could figure out if it’s real or not. 😂I am educated on the subject and most people who dismiss it easily have not read up. It’s not like other bs big foot ghosts. There actually is a substantial amount of indirect evidence with no conclusive proof. It’s weird thing. Most phenomena is not that way. I flip back and forth and remain open minded.
For the most part I agree with the statements put forth in this video. One exception though, is the Grusch interview. In the video it's discussed as being hearsay with no verifiable data. Grusch establishes that it is second-hand knowledge, but also provides testable, verifiability. He has named names and details that make his information verifiable. Unfortunately, he had to provide this information to the US government behind closed doors, so it may take some time to verify, but some government sources have verified the claims that he provided such information, and that others have also made similar claims. Like any research, it will take some time to verify Grusch's account, but it is verifiable. I also appreciated the terminology Grusch used, not saying the UAPs were spaceships, rather he used the term technical vehicles. He also called the pilots "non-human", rather than calling them ETs / aliens. One problem with the evidence Grusch has is that it cannot be determined to be false just by not finding the vehicles and non-humans, as it could be claimed that there was a cover-up, but if they are found, this would be amazing news when it breaks publicly.
The David Fravor sighting is different than just a pilot seeing something strange from a distance. A ship in the battle group with the Aegis radar system was detecting multiple objects dropping from extremely high altitudes to the surface in a second over multiple days. The radar operator finally requested a flight to divert from its training and check the contact out. Fravor and the rest of the flight saw the pill shaped object hovering or moving very erratically over the surface. He got within a half mile of it and could clearly make out its features. It then accelerated away in the blink of an eye and appears on radar at the coordinates of the flights original training rallying point . Later, another pilot recorded the object with his IR targeting pod. The video does in fact show a pill shaped object. So this event is important because you have multiple military personnel using different sensor systems all corroborating each other. So either Fravor is lying or he actually did mock dogfight a 40 foot long pill shaped object that responded according to basic BFM manoeuvres. If this was a hoax, all these personnel would need to conspire and somehow create a sensor pod video of an object resembling a pill. They would then be quiet about the hoax for 10 years when it was leaked onto the internet.
You nailed my sentiments. The Fravor incident with multiple references is puzzling. Monkeys on typewriters? Maybe.
"Either he's lying or it's aliens"
...Or he simply saw something which so far remains unexplained. You really missed the point of the video, didn't you? It specifically addresses the issue of misinterpreting skepticism as accusations of lying. Skeptics don't think everybody who reports UAPs is crazy or a fraud (although *some* definitely are); we simply need more tangible, objective evidence because there's a million possibilities of what could be behind these reports - from brains playing tricks on people (and hoo boy are our minds and senses unreliable), instrument glitches, unknown natural phenomena, all the way up to top secret military technology. We simply don't know yet, and you don't really know either.
Where is the radar data? Link please. Thanks.
@@danielmccarthyy In someblack databhase somewhere I'm sure... But really what kind of response is that? How many scince facts have you seen with your own eyes in person... Like have you seen pics of the Earth's core or the interor make up of the sun?
@@danielmccarthyy The radar data would be classified. Either enough people & scientists apply political pressure to get it declassified, or the incidents are dismissed out of hand and scientists never get to see the data. Declassification isn’t a scientific problem, it’s a political will problem.
I’m a bit late to the party here, but as an avid X-Files fan from back in the day, I never really once considered the actual existence of UAPs. To me, they’re the modern day ghost ships that sailors used to see on the ocean (but they were actually seeing optical illusions). Would it be cool if they existed? Sure. I’d also love to see ghost ships, too. Great video, as always. 😊
I would look into the history of the phenomenon a bit if you think they don't exist. It's a bit frustrating to see people make these slightly condescending comments despite really having zero background on the topic. The US government, and other governments worldwide, have admitted that UAPs are absolutely a real thing, and it goes further than that.
In the 90s the university of Tasmania collected data on UFO sightings during the original airing of the X-Files and followed it up years later. The sightings dropped considerably.
@@ThisFinalHandle ??? Do you think you're making a point?
Huh? You cannot deny UAPs exist unless you can identify literally everything people have seen in the sky. Sure, they are probably not aliens or whatever, but it's absurd to deny what definitely and obviously exists. It's a plain fact that people have recorded phenomena in the sky that has not been identified.
@@ThisFinalHandle people were too busy looking at their smartphones years later, that's why, haha
Thank you - a necessary video. It highlights the difference between burden of proof as required by science, and the burden of proof as required by law. If people arrested under suspicion of carrying out criminal acts were subject to scientific evidence prior to verdict, our prisons would be largely empty.
It’s a good comment. When only human eyewitness testimony is the only evidence available, that is much more like the situation in a courtroom than in a science lab. David’s observation that human testimony is not quantifiable is a key point.
The old medical adage of "when you hear hoofbeats, think of horses, not zebras" definitely rings true here. These objects dont have to be alien to be interesting. If more data becomes available, I'd imagine they'd at least warrant a look-see!
I suppose it depends on where you are when you hear those hoof beats. On an African plain, in the zoo or at a circus there’s a high likelihood of zebras. And if you are hearing hoofbeats in Antarctica, someone might be watching a western on TV. Take all evidence into consideration. UAP might not be able to conform to scientific investigation easily (or at all), but it can still be investigated by other means with nonscientific conclusions leading to insight in how to explore different aspects of UAP scientifically. No one study will prove what every proposed UAP is, but we may be able to ascertain patterns in recognizing what certain UAP are.
More data is available. It’s been confirmed by the pentagon that more footage of all the releases is available but too sensitive to be released. This probably means it’s classified, for any number of reasons pertaining to national security. Some members of congress have seen this extra footage in recent closed sessions but are likewise unable to comment on it. Unfortunately I don’t believe any scientists of any fields have seen this footage, much less physicists, astronomers, or other relevant specialists.
Agree, I don't know why people is obsessed with Aliens, it could be anything at this point, just because its unexplainable do not mean its not from earth.
I’m not saying it’s aliens, but… it’s aliens
Exactly - they're probably just an undiscovered species of flying metal ball. We discover new insects all the time.
Well made video, but the majority of the uap's in question are NOT "natural phenomenon". They are made of metal, can make high speed abrupt turns, move at many times the speed of sound silently, hover, some can split in two, they can dissappear and reappear, and are transmedium.
Another theory presented by some is time travel. Essentially a future human(oid) visiting the past. The UAP would then be a time machine rather than a space craft.
That in itself would be spectacular! But technically, it still would not be aliens.
Nice Video David.
I'm a scientific myself and believe scientists should do more on the UFO/UAP phenomenons just because of human curiosity but also because of the potential outcome it will have on the Earthian civilizations (I want to include the fauna and flora as well rather than just the human civilization).
To take an astrophysical analogy, David, what you are describing as "scientific work" is the Johannes Kepler work. But we should not forget that if Kepler was able to become famous, it was mostly thanks to Tycho Brahe who made very precise measurements of star/planet positions in the sky. There are 2 phases in discoveries: first the data collection and then second the establishment of the equation/theory (yeah, I know sometimes it is the other way around! But you get my point ... )!
So another root cause of most of scientists problems on UAP/UFO is that every scientist wants to work on the phase 2 of the scientific process where all the data are already available and become famous with their published paper. Nobody wants to work on the phase 1 about data collection where there is no fame to benefit from. So all scientists just complain of lack of data and nobody wants to work on creating these data.
The truth is we need scientists driven by curiosity rather than financial survival in our society to make "scientific compatible" measurements of UFO/UAP phenomenon that will likely be used by future scientists that will actually get the fame (if this newly born branch ever get successful)!
Added to the above mentioned scientific difficulties, there seems to be another dimension to take into consideration which is the governments/arm industries, the church of the modern days.
Funny how history would repeat itself if what I'm saying is true: four hundred years ago, scientists had to fight against the power of the Church to find their way. Nowadays, governments/arm industries would be the new big structure that science will need to cope with ... .
If UFO/UAP are real and rare, then it is certain that governments/arm industries will do what it takes to get hands on the technology to get technological advantage over the others.
If data are available, then they will definitely hide them. There is an obvious conflict of interest here. Scientists want to democratize knowledge whereas governments/arm industries would have the opposite tendencies to keep their advantages.
If this is true, we would be living in a inquisitional world without knowing it! How ironic! The UFO/UAP data do exist. But it is just hidden from our knowledge and scientists reach.
What remain available are only human witnesses ... which are of no scientific interests ... .
What an interesting era we are living in ... .
I feel and predict that the UAP/UFO phenomenon will have a much bigger impact than the scientific revolution of the past centuries ... .
A waste of time. Do some research on Levinthal's Paradox.
they need baseline data; they need sufficient supporting fact base data and visuals, before they can do anything.....why does no one get this! Science is based on facts; not opinions.
How the hell would "scientifics" even go about "collecting data" on UAPs when they're so rare and randomly occuring? Astronomers and meteorologists are constantly monitoring the skies in a myriad ways, and yet their instruments don't seem to find phenomena fitting alien theories in any consistent way. The relatively little data there is is extremely fragmented or confidential, as the video explains. It's simply a wild goose chase to a large degree.
Why in the world do you think "nobody wants to work on collecting data" when there's scientific observations of space and Earth's atmosphere going on all the time all over the world is beyond me. Really makes me doubt your supposed scientific credentials.
Perfect timing with this upload, was just craving for another one - exciting to hear your thoughts on the UAPs ;)
I saw a uap over 20 years ago now. It was clearly technological and having been a plane spotter for life, I've still never seen another aircraft like it, even conceptually. There were others there that corroborated what I thought I saw.
I don't know what it was but it opened my mind to possibilities. I don't know if these events are just sooo incredibly rare or if information is withheld. Maybe there is a mundane explanation but I haven't found one. Just because information isn't publicly available doesn't mean it doesnt exist though.
My biggest frustration is that often scientists, while they should be sceptical, have forgotten they should also be open to possibility. This isn't solely related to the uap topic. We have learnt much but there's much more we don't know. Much more to learn. Humility helps with all things we don't understand.
"It was clearly technological" You literally DO NOT know that. This is even a point in the video hahaha
@@whatisthisIcanteven You are giving him a perfect example of “science” minded people discounting the expert testimony of a trained observer, because the observation doesn’t fit their narrative. You are not debunking anything, only proving the point.
@@whatisthisIcanteven If you saw a metallic disc hovering that suddenly accelerated to hypersonic speeds, would you consider that “Clearly Technological” ?
@@whatisthisIcanteven OK. I personally haven't come across any non technological objects that fly and have 5 sets of lights equally spaced along it, with each set being composed of 3 colours. If you know of anything that matches this description then we can call it solved. I make no claim it's alien, but I haven't seen any human technology that also explains this. I was driving at 100 kph and it passed directly over us slowly. There was a truck in front and it was at least 3 times the width. I kept trying to make it be a light aircraft but it clearly wasn't - there was no fuselage. Just a V with lights. I've seen B2 and F117 and they're the closest human tech. They don't match closely. It was in NZ. It could have been higher and bigger, my brain just kept trying to make what I saw fit with a light aircraft, it was the only thing that made logical sense. I'm completely happy if anyone can solve this with human derived technology or another mundane way. I also completely understand how fantastical the story is if you haven't seen something similar yourself. I have also know I can't prove anything, so I wrote knowing that this is the likely response. Mostly i wrote because whatever it was, I'd rather be open to possiblity than be cynical. It's a choice we all make.
It's pointless telling anybody. Nobody will believe you and if you try you'll only end up alienating everybody you love. Just keep it to yourself.
My primary problem with the UAP reporting over my 70-year life has been the people making the claims. They have all taken a non-scientific approach to even presenting their data. Many of them have displayed disturbingly gullible approaches. Your interviewees were *far* more interesting to hear from.
I am very open to the _possibility_ of things well outside our present understanding. This is why I contributed processing time to SETI over many years.
My mind remains open; but not so open that I will just accept wild claims. This presentation has much the same approach as Neil DeGrasse Tyson took when asked about UFOs/UAPs - the statistics on the number of possible worlds in the galaxy allow for the possibility of extra-terrestrial UAPs; but we do not yet have viable evidence. And that is just looking at UAPs as being extraterrestrial.
The photographic material I have seen so far is not good enough, or having 2nd sources, to make any determination. All the presentations have relied heavily of the viewer/reader accepting the presenter/author as being both honest, and not mislead in some way. Unfortunately a few are not the sort of person you would trust to tell the time of day accurately!
I flew paragliders in the UK for about 450 hours between 2007- 2019. Twice I saw weird things in the air. Both were balloons I think but astonishingly strange movements and shapes. Very easy to imagine they were 'alien' especially if you want to. A lot happens in the sky that pedestrians don't know about - I mean natural and man made phenomena.
A couple years ago I had the surreal experience of looking out the window at night in my bed and seeing a bright point of light seemingly floating across the sky in a strange pattern. I couldn't believe what I was seeing, and watched it for 5 minutes straight before realizing it's just Jupiter and my tired mind was playing tricks on me. But it was a couple minutes of feeling like I entered an alternate reality. Our brains are very imperfect machines.
I'm gonna sort of explain 3 of the most popular videos coming from the Pentagon, because while it's not 100% certain what exactly they are, but most claims made about them are completely wrong and you can make a good informed guess on what exactly those videos represent.
FLIR - the object doesn't actually accelerate, it's moving at a constant speed, then camera looses track of it and then zooms in, which results in it looking as if it accelerated even though it didn't (you can confirm that by yourself). I'm not exactly sure what that is but it's not breaking laws of physics nor anything.
GIMBAL - let's get this out of a way, what you see is just a heat halo from of a jet engine, likely with disabled transponder, which is consistent with a drug plane or something like that. Why it wasn't identified as a plane? I'm not sure, but that's what it looks like.
GOFAST - if you look at the distance data in the video you can calculate that the object is moving at around 40 kn (20 m/s) and an altitude of around 13,000 ft (4000 m) and appears to be moving fast as a result of parallax, the object is also pretty small and is most likely a balloon.
(btw i posted this before watching the video lol)
people are just stupid, superstitious idiots
@@random6033 yep, not to mention the platforms that these were observing were also moving at high speed themselves, not standing still, not exactly confidence inspiring if the pilots themselves familiar with these systems were not able to recognize these artifacts for what they were...
@@random6033 so their instruments and radar were defective all at once 😂
I'd hope that nobody would instantly dismiss the possibility of Von Neumann probes - given we ourselves will build them as soon as it's possible. Would we not program our own probes to conceal themselves from intelligent life and study it? at least at first? and how long is "at first" when you're millions of years old?
John Michael Godier viewer.
@@thatdognotthepuppy5809 - one does not simply 'view' John Michael Godier ;)
@@JohnnyWednesday I tend to listen to him as I'm going to sleep.
@@thatdognotthepuppy5809JMG is amazing. I listen to his content at night. He asks the best questions and he’s one of my favorite “space” presenters on TH-cam. As I soon as I saw the words “Von Neuman probes”, I smiled. 😊
most of the youtube scientist that are not doing research anymore have flat out said they literally believe it that we are 100% alone in the universe. Professors like Dr. Keating have gone on the record to say flat out he thinks humans ar literally the only technological species in the entire universe. Its nonsense. No one should pay any attention to people like them anymore,.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this subject. Recent coverage of UAP's has put me off looking into the possibility of getting credible answers to unidentified sightings which can't be a good thing.
This video has re-engaged me and restored a bit of faith that the study of UAP's can be worthwhile as long as we're patient and apply sound scientific methodology to adding some real evidence to the debate.
In 1978 I had a two week old baby ( she is now 44) and I was getting my washing in, it was late November in South Wales uk. I looked up and saw a sphere with lights traveling around the meridian, I screamed dropped my washing and my husband came running, it just disappeared. It didn't fly away, it was there one moment and gone the next. We both saw it, we had no phone and mobiles weren't invented, no wifi or computers. So I walked to the payphone to tell my parents they believed me. I told the man in the post office the next day and he obviously laughed at me and thought me an idiot, but he didn't laugh that evening when it was all over the local newspapers, it was seen all over South Wales within two hours and reported by two policemen. I know you only have my word for this but I am not an idiot. I am a maths teacher. It happened, I've thought of it often over the last 44 years but I wonder if it could be time travel - us - humans? Or could it be interdimensional? I really don't know, I know what I saw
I think you are not an idiot. I don't know what you saw. In 1978 I was onboard HMS Fife carrying out missile test firings in Cardigan Bay. It was well known that occasional malfunctions would send missiles off course and result in UFO sightings and I expect there were also very 'hush hush' recovery operations.
Had this discussion when back at my old uni catching up with pals who are now PhD students across various areas, none of them took it seriously. Can't say I blame them imo, skeptical of things suddenly being pushed out there in a systematic manner. Most aren't even aware of such videos, a lot like the general mass public which is funny given how much of mainstream has covered the story over & over.
I think anyone with a serious interest in science quickly learns to have a healthy disinterest in anything mainstream media has to say about science and just sticks to specialist news media.
@@hedgehog3180 I agree but you'd be amazed at just how narrow minded such people become, many can't even hold conversations in their wider area of expertise anymore as academia often forces people into very niche areas of expertise within a wider area. The specialists never pick up on such things, they play to their audience who are always career motivated academics following the well treaded path, even the most senior are scared to deviate. Funding also plays a huge role
Thank you so much for this video. I have been watching all of this unfold with a skeptical eye, but hope that evidence surfaces that is incontrovertible. I was hoping Cool Worlds would weigh in and you didn't disappoint. Great work Dr. Kipping and team. I want to believe...❤
he did a fine job at explaining how total lack of good and dependable data gets in the way.
incontrovertible evidence will never appear, but more data might increase our certainty one way or the other.
Every one of your updates is a treat and pure joy. Thank you so much for doing these videos.
Thanks for the first 7 minutes and the description of how modern science is meant to work. Unfortunately few of us have learned or care about science but you are doing a good job of getting the basics out there.
just started the vid, always been skeptical on ufo stories, but especially where alien beings where part of it.
i never ruled out the ufo that so many people seem to have seen , still, always was of the side that i have to see it for myself to give them any real credit.
well....
me in my backyard, i called emergency service , i saw what i thought was a plane on fire, the light that came off it was enough reason to call before it would crash .
well it was no plane, it zigzagged towards me in about 10 minutes, and the thing just kept getting bigger and bigger.
it took its time when it was close to me, or my view so to say , it was not bright, but it gave off a tremendous amount of light , in colors, but separated from each other.
the thing i saw was huge, beneath the normal clouds , but i remember it was at least 15 times the size of a normal moon in the sky.
no sound, and my cats did not care one single bit, nor did my 2 different neighbors, they must have seen it, but they didnt.
i was amazed beyond explanation.
only explanation i can give is that is was some sort of telescope/microscope focus point of some sorts.
i still wont believe this was a object , the new designation of UAP gives me some peace of mind instead of the UFO .
this made me rethink how i was skeptical in this., i cannot in any way , look at peoples experiences in the same way.
when children are involved in sightings, i am even more less capable to be skeptical , sure they make up a lot of things, but its always in a childish way.
when we look at the massive amount of sightings and the stunning differences in them.
one must question themselves, are they all insane, or is it me that holds on to an insane point of view.
@@TheBwaap May I ask where you posted the video evidence? I know a lot of us would really like to see this.
@@TheBwaap One need not be insane to be skeptical or just not know something.
@@fractuss it was when mobile phones had 0.3 mp cameras in them , or something like that.
it will be a miracle if i ever find back that blurry mess
Another great video Dr. Kipping. I'm not a scientist, but I am a mathematician. I want to believe in UAP/UFOs but the numbers make me think it's unlikely. On a side note - any chance there is a Dark Energy/Dark Matter video coming. Thanks, a bunch. Keep up the Great Work.
It only seems unlikely if u think they come from far away. I think its a good bet aliens live on earth or inside the moon. That makes it much more possible as i dont buy into light speed travel. Its just not feasible
I think a mathematician is a type of scientist if you are researching and investigating things in mathematics and using mathematics to research or investigate something else.
It is now conclusive they exist.
@@JT-qr7ky yes, UAPs exist. They are not from another planet, but they do exist.
@@MusingsFromTheJohn00 I mean UAPs sorta exist by definition, there will almost always be unidentified aerial phenomena even if just as a result of humans being fallible creatures.
It's never aliens - until it's aliens.👽
I love your videos and how you generously present all sides of the argument in a fair and graceful manner. It makes them a really beautiful viewing experience, void of arrogance or ego. It's refreshing.
There's another factor I'd add to your equation for false positives... Proximity... I would theorize that distance plays a sizable role in identification accuracy. There's a big difference in the probability of a pilot making a positive identification of an object a few miles away, or a few hundred yards away... and the sightings really do vary that much in distance.
What makes me more skeptical of stories is your point about "bad actors". The US government has a long and storied history with misinformation campaigns, and there are some documented cases surrounding this very topic. So I agree it's hard to believe testimony alone. However, overall I am inclined to believe pilots who have data or other witnesses to back up their claims.
The thing about bad actors & misinformation.... is that EITHER the gov't has been lying for the past 80 years OR they are lying now. If you consider the implications of that earth-shattering about-face, it would seem to imply that there's something big here.
Should the scientific approach also include historical data, not just contemporary data? In that regard you will find that some modern hypotheses against the alien theory become hard to defend from a technological development/timeline viewpoint. Great video.
Eines der besten Videos die ich bisher zu diesem Thema gesehen habe. Vielen Dank
I'm generally extremely skeptical of any UFO/UAP sightings, but I'm curious what you think of the ARIEL SCHOOL UFO INCIDENT in Nairobi in 1994. It's pretty compelling and strange.
I’d think that he’d say the same about there not be enough data besides the story to raise his interest.
I agree that we’re stuck. Its very likely it would be all classified. The whole point of the “Phenomenon” is to bring awareness to it so the data becomes available to the public for proper analysis. That was the whole point in Gruesch interview. Bringing the awareness that its being withheld. Unfortunately due to lack of overall interest and belief it actually exists, it will never be released. The loads of leaked documents online which may or may not be real but how do you prove they’re real? You want physical evidence? There’s no way that’s being released.
Start firing generals, one right after another, and it will be released.
I think Carl Sagan said it well, in his cosmos series. He said he would absolutely love to see some evidence of aliens, even a tiny artifact of alien technology, but that there was simply no evidence of it. That was the 1980s, before everyone was walking around with a video camera in their pockets. Now, with cameras everywhere, you'd think we would now have lots of good footage of UFOs, the Yeti and the Loch Ness Monster. But the proliferation of video cameras only resulted in video evidence of police brutality. And fixed security cameras now caught meteors, bridge collapses, and terrorist bombings, but not a single convincing shot of a UFO. Whatever video evidence might exist, only serves to debunk what would have otherwise been only eyewitness testimony.
Under the Fermi Paradox, it seems likely that alien civilizations exist, but sadly, we might never see any, because the Universe is so incredibly big, and there is that pesky speed-limit.
Let's hope some civilization out there figures out warp technology (assuming it's even possible), and come visit us!
The released UAP videos look to me like examples of sensor artifacts. This military exercise could have been a test and demonstration of sensor failure modes. Optical systems almost always have multiple light paths due to reflections at and between optical components. The sensors could have locked onto ghost images of ordinary objects such as the Sun or a wingman's exhaust. Such ghost image videos can mimic indications of extraordinary motion geometry including out of this world acceleration and superposition on unexpected other objects like the underwater sea.
I was able to play with the imaging system that the uap was seen on and a reflected co2 laser caused a similar pattern to that. System is an optically scanned cooled PtSi thermal imager. The sensor had 128 pixels and was scanned by a gallvo mirror and a polygon mirror similar to one in a laser printer. The assemby had many thousands of dollars of germanium optics in it.
sensor artifacts while the pilots also had visual of the object too? Wtf lol
@akuai4408 I got to mess around with those older IR imager systems and you could get all sorts of artifacts, most commonly a specular reflection of something hot would cause similar ones. They were insanely complex using a cryogenically cooled linear array and a mechanical scanning system with several kilograms of germanium optics. You can get insane image quality if you use the optical system from one with modern FLIR devices ❤️
Great stuff, love your work 💪
One complication you have is that governments work on advanced technology, not known to the public, and they want to keep this technology secret. One only has to look at the development of the stealth fighter as an example. If you have data of something “unknown” this has to be factored in.
It's a good lie to hide-ish things, but not necessarily the only explanation.
Mundane explanations still exist, and are probably still more likely. Sometimes known stuff is unintuitive
@@lomiification I would look into the history of the phenomenon. They started being spotted in large numbers by aviators on all sides in WW2. Each side thought they were a secret weapon of the other. This is history you can get from primary sources, verified government documentation.
It is a factor to some extent but not as much as you'd think. The UFO phenomenon became widespread in WW2 when pilots on all sights began to experience frequent sightings. Everyone thought they were the others secret weapons. They had capabilities that are extremely exotic today, let alone 80 years ago.
@@lomiification I believe that scientists should not rule out that the lack of data that scientists are complaining about might artificially be created by the governments around the world. The only remaining traces of such data would then be individual testimony. There is no smoke without fire ... .
Funding UAP research and investigation has to be the epitome of low risk/ high reward. If any conclusions can be reached (mundane misidentification, new natural phenomena, etc.) it would be better than not knowing at all. If something truly extraordinary is uncovered then great! You’ve spent far less than what space telescopes, particle colliders and your average military jet costs.
I was so happy you went back to form I watched this one twice 🎉
As a retired international airline pilot with over thirty five years of jumbo jet experience, I think we give too much credibility to pilots and what they may or may have not seen. Please don’t forget that we aviators are human beings. Sometimes when we are stressed or tired or have been on duty for more than 15 hours all that we see can often appear as something it’s not. I’ve seen it happen on more than a few occasions. A pilot’s state of mine is important at the moment of witnessing a UFO/UAP.
Also to sensors of course. They aren't as imperfect as people, but they're still imperfect
@@lomiification Very true. I’ve had false traffic appear on our radar while crossing the North Atlantic in the middle of the night.
Yeah, you tell that to this Air Force & commercial pilot (& his co-pilot) of 31yrs experience he was just seeing things for 25mins & videotaped:
ORB at 37,000' - Captain Delgado's Unbelievable UFO Encounter:
th-cam.com/video/HXLFC-hwQ6M/w-d-xo.html
"Captain Erik Delgado flew in the US Air Force for 10 years and then for 21 years as a Commerical Cargo Pilot. on 19 March 2020, he and his Co-Pilot, a retired F-15 fighter pilot, witnessed this ORB that flew with their aircraft for an astounding 25 minutes!"
@@fredbcf1255 I flew with a countless number of military pilots who transitioned to airline flying and some were Service Academy graduates and they were just as screwed up as I was. Again, just because they are or were military pilots does not mean they are infallible or more credible. When you fly through multiple time zones the end result is tired and jet lagged pilots at the controls. It’s the nature of the beast and it’s the life we chose. Make of that what you will.
@@johnwells1015 Jesus, watch the damn video just dare to say that applies to this incident. You are being ridiculous. Undoubtedly SOME events that are witnessed by one pilot without any corroborating evidence could be ascribed to that effect, but there are many that do not fit your simplistic bargain-basement narrative.
Dr. Kipping, let me tell you something... More than a decade ago I found some spots in pictures I took. Long story, but I used to do painting classes at the time. So I started as a believer, then I sent the pictures to be analyzed by an UFO group here in Brazil, which skeptics were part.
My spots in the pictures turned out to be only birds or insects close to the camera... But I learned a lot from them, read a lot about picture analysis and ended up helping them, but as a skeptic.
Either way, I worked with them for a few years and I only learned about humans. Nothing about aliens. But, still, I believe this area should be studied.
And there are a few REALLY interesting cases, like the Brazilian official UFO night. But... We can't milk any data from those cases. From almost all cases, to tell the truth.
So, for me, the only way to go about it is to collect our own data, as Project Galileo is doing. I don't know if it's going to work out, but well... I don't see any other way.
About claims from people from the government... I'm going to believe them when they show up some evidence. Until there...
Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
But wouldn't aliens exactly want to blend in as birds or insects
@@scifi_shop I guess you didn't understand the point... Furthermore, I don't think alien spaceships would be that small...
@@scifi_shopYou're mixing Sci Fi and actual science. At the end of the day if you want to believe you can make up anything you want to "prove" it. That is not scientific in any sense.
Great post! If people think the field has merit by all mean study it with a proper scientific approach but as the scientific method dictates the default position is the null hypothesis (aliens are not visiting us) until there is concrete evidence to the contrary. There has been none thus far.
I am in physics. Though i am very open minded on the topic, I believe, just as you said, that at the present time there aren't enough reliable data for the science to express itself on the subject
Easy answer to that, GET THE DATA!
@@fredbcf1255 lmfao yeah let's just fly around and find some alien spaceships that crashland every other month
@@fredbcf1255 How?
I think we should definitely study UAPs as a phenomenon - of human perception, and study the psychology of "I want to believe" possessed even by skeptics such as myself. To properly apply statistics in an error prone detection environment, we need to characterize the properties of the error processes. We should learn as much as possible from each false positive and mis-detection that we can diagnose after the fact.
watch Lex Fridman's Dave Fravor interview in its entirety before dismissing the potential reality of something techno beyond known human capability. We have better photographs, ocean-UAP interactions and radar data.
They’re out there. More and more keep popping up. They know how to watch us and we can’t reach them yet.
That has actually been done, stories like this is what led psychologists to investigate how human perception works and how memory works and they were often able to recreate these illusions. This kind of research is where most optical illusions come from and has yielded results in therapy methods,
@@antiantifa886 Apparently they don't know much if we keep seeing them.
Well........this is a subject that has been going on for well over 80 years. From the latter months of WWII when both Axis and Allied pilots saw Foo Fighters to when Kenneth Arnold had the first public sighting near Mt. Rainier WA in June 1947. Two weeks later we had the famous Roswell incident. It was the late Major Jesse Marcel who went out into that ranch land field and was the first to discover something strange. Marcel was an expert in the 40s for recovering downed aircraft. He stated in a 1979/80 interview that what he found was not the remains of a weather balloon or a conventional aircraft. He said the material found was something he had never seen before. It was not of this Earth! Marcel passed away only a few years later. He never gained from his statements. I believe he was telling the truth and that the USAAF covered up a story that was the biggest story of all time. Science has been involved with UFOs/UAPs over the decades. Perhaps one of the most famous early on was Dr. J Allen Hynek. He was at first a skeptic who after many years of studying the phenomenon became convinced there was a reality to it. We also have French scientist Jacque Valle. He believes that perhaps UFOs don't come from another star..........but another dimension. You also have in recent times Michiko Kaku who believes that there is something definitely going on with the UFO/UAP subject and that the tables have turned on evidence! There seems to be smoking gun evidence of high strangeness! With all the sightings from over the decades..............if just one is really an extraterrestrial machine it changes our world forever. The French in 1999 released an independent report entitled COMETA. It suggested with its conclusion that UFOs are Extraterrestrial in origin.
Thank you for the summary. I believe that this should be a mandatory copy/paste in these comment sections where the UAP/UFO subject seem to be treated in isolation, and focused on the recently released videos from the Pentagon. I am always frustrated to witness the lack of cross-references to older reports of the same phenomena being discussed today. This was making the news in 1952 until the Robertson panel, 1969 with the Condon report, 2000 with the House committee hearings and yet, it looks like the discussion starts anew every single time. It is truly puzzling.
Well said! Scientists ask"where is the data on this?! ", there is actually loads of data, maybe 'too much' if your willing to search for it and do your homework. But science has become so dismissive of anything outside mainstream thinking it has become its own worst enemy unfortunately.
@@yanis905
And ufo/uaps are spotted over the entire earth, and it is over a time period as long we can count.
What is a difference between now and then? We now have much more advanced technology than before much much stronger radars and IR tracking systems, that is why we will have more and more video evidence in the future coming from military.
Americans sometimes acts like the entire world is in USA, this is a worldwide thing happening on every remote place you can imagine outside the states and we need to work in conjunction with other states to actually get the full picture of what these things are.
you still believe in fairy tales
@@lz43p15 Me? What I have seen and many others cannot be unseen, it's the matter of first hand knowledge, not some distant storytelling.
Honestly I do not even care what you or anyone else belive.
What are those things in the sky, are you not interested in knowing stuff?
If you saw something you cannot explain other than it do not resemble anything manmade or seem to folow the laws of physics, would you not be interested in finding out the truth?
Well I am.
Imagine if it turned out Cool Worlds was an alien in human disguise all along
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First, this is a great video on the topic and everything you said was correct obviously. It's obviously important to apply the same rigor to this question as any question. That said I think your interview of colleagues and your own acknowledgement of the stigma around it in publication bias and bias on research funding is the issue. No the things you brought up as examples of evidence aren't really compelling at all scientifically. But we'll never have compelling evidence without people investigating them scientifically. For me the best thing about these things coming out in recent years is it's pushing that stigma to the side a bit. We definitely shouldn't assume aliens are here. But we also shouldn't assume they aren't. We don't know and it's important to remember that cuts in both directions. And I'm saying this as someone who probably leans towards the idea there's likely no other intelligent life in our galaxy because it's so exceedingly rare. I don't think they are aliens. I just think it's important to actually take all questions seriously and not assume we know something which we actually don't.
It's one reason I'm such a fan of your work though Dr. Kipping. You seem to always keep that notion at the forefront of what you research and what you talk about on this channel. This video is a great example of doing what we should strive for. Admit what we do and don't know honestly and objectively weigh any evidence and see where it leads. Maybe there's dead ends or maybe there's new revelations.
With a background in technology and physics, having worked as a research associate during the early part of my career, I can call myself a scientist at heart. Your content speaks very much of my thinking. It is well within the realm of science but it needs the rigour of science before we infer anything. But some of the so-called paradoxes circulated in the scientific community do give an impression of ridicule to this topic.
For example Fermi Paradox. Our information dataset is so small compared to the earth's history, if we define the paradox based on such a limited observation set (the last few hundred years of documented scientific history, roughly 3-5 thousand years for written history which is mixed with myths, fiction, and hyperbole, and few hundred thousands years of fossil and archeological history) out of 4.5 billion years of earth history. With such a limited information set, calling out ridicule on possibilities seems a narrow-minded approach.
Some of the scientists cited the distances to be too big for such a possibility. (Calling out based on their interviews). Consider the scientific impossibility if we ask someone from the 17th century if we can reach and walk on the moon. It would not be any more probable than someone asking today about visiting another galaxy.
I think our approach to this topic lacks direction. Maybe, we, the science community, need to accept this topic as a genuine well-grounded hypothesis and provide information, tools, and mechanism for society to collect better information that can then be analyzed and help validate (or invalidate) the hypothesis.
Furthermore, I think the meaning of the word 'UFO doesn't have room for question. If someone says an object in the air and is not identified to technology known to the observer, it is UFO. I am not sure what we argue about it. We need to access the UFO as UFO, and process and provide an answer to what is the technology understanding gap of the community. Once get past this stage, the question should be posed whether the particular UFO occurrence is extra-terrestrial in nature or not. While it may need some effort and budget but it is a worthwhile investment from some science agencies to open the forum to the community to submit their cases. And let those cases be reviewed by automated tools, AI, and screened items go to the desk to analyze and help the community understand/learn the technology gap that leads to reports considering this as unidentified.
Sorry for the long post. I am an avid viewer of your videos and have been thinking about engaging with your content for a while. Hope this content helps in some way.
Dang.. how the heck I wrote such a long post. 😀
I am always skeptical that UAP sightings are alien built objects simply because getting something to earth from another planet would be an enormously daunting task, so I assume by default that they are something else. But after watching this video, maybe I will open my mind a little.
They may be interdimensional and not extraterrestrial.
Saying its a daunting task for civilizations millions of years ahead of us is as arrogant and primitive minded as a caveman deciding swimming across the ocean is too daunting
@@jaz4742irst you have to assume such a civilization exists, and that they wouldn't do something else that we could detect
I can't hide from a mosquito, as an example
What makes you think it only has to be aliens from another planet?
It’s only an enormously daunting task for us. It may not be all that hard for a civilization a million years ahead of us.
“Scientists” who depend on funding from outside parties, so nearly all, are absolutely motivated to deliver the results that those who fund them demand. I appreciate the ideal of being objective, but we would be naive to think that other human beings with their own motivations are somehow above self-interest.
If they admit it’s real, then how many get defunded as their research projects are suddenly irrelevant.
I guess the question is will SETI type scientists feel like the rug has been pulled out from under them if it's reveled that we actually do have alien craft from the past 100 years, and have made contact with alien life? The David Grusch story has a lot deeper implications vs the Navy videos
and its also requires gradually more suspension of disbelief than only the pilot testimonies :D
I mean the surveys made it pretty clear that this isn't the case so I don't know why you're poisoning the well.
Do Scientists have the same observational capabilities as the Military? Is the military sharing all of the evidence they have on the videos they have released so far?
I feel that the footage the Pentagon released was minuscule, at best. I appreciate the stats for misidentified airial phenomenon, but the pilots in question and reporting this said that they visited them regularly, daily even over the course of about 100 days. It wasn't one incident seen by one, it was the same phenomena over and over and over again witnessed by many. Consider me intrigued!
This is the best treatment of the question I've seen. Skeptical but open-minded.
Anecdotes just are not data.
Wrong anecdotes are data...that's where all science starts
Ok, but skeptical of what? Skeptical about the existence of atmospheric phenomena which we do not yet understand? Skeptical about the existence of secret military aircraft? Or are you merely saying that you don't buy into the idea, "I don't know, therefore aliens."
Personally, I find the idea of legitimately unknown, as opposed to known only to those who have a high enough security clearance, terrestrial aircraft flying around US airspace, FAR more alarming than the idea of extraterrestrial observation. That's because the greater the effort made by a significantly more technologically advanced civilization to be unobtrusive, the more likely their intentions are to be benign; whereas any aircraft from any country on Earth, that penetrates US airspace without first asking permission, is inherently hostile, since doing so is, by definition, an act of war.
Whatever is behind these UFOs/UAPs, and there are most likely multiple causes, the subject needs to be taken much more seriously.
Here`s a relevant analogy. Prior to the 1980`s sailors across the world for centuries had told of how they had seen huge rogue waves. These reports were dismissed and ridiculed (sometimes in a sneering condescending manner) by scientists sitting in a nice warm office that had in many cases never sailed across one of the seven seas. Some hadn’t even set foot in a boat. But they knew best and the reports the scientists explained (note that word) were nothing more that flights of imagination, misconceived observations or simply tall tales. As my great grandfather was told once by a then eminent scientist when he explained to him how he`d survived an, “80 foot wave in a copper coloured sea of the cape of good hope,” he was apparently wrong. This was due to the then current theory waves beyond a certain height were impossible and they were CERTAIN of this. Yet when look down satellites were used on the ocean on the first sweep they “discovered" over 100 waves that according to a supposedly proven theory were impossible in size.
So tell me were the sailors and my great grandfather wrong? This was a case where eye ball one was right and way-way ahead of the learned professors by literally thousands of years.
To me this the same as UAP`s today. You might pour scorn on sightings by pilots and the public regarding the nature and origin of these craft and consider them unscientific but i`m reasonably sure both sets of people have expressed more than a glimmer of the truth regarding the phenominon.
The issue is that most scientists are afraid to pursue evidence due to risk of losing their jobs.
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@@johnjuandemarco thanks. I need you everywhere I go 😁👍
My appreciation for this video is the application of the detailed explanation of the scientific process for other discussions. I'm saving this in my 'favorites' so that I may use the link for reference.
Thank you for bring esoteric and novel research in astronomy, astrobiology, et. al., into grasp with a simple ~30 min investment with your videos. It is unlikely I will find the time to digest and understand new papers, but, this format of your videos (and public microfunding of research!) underscores both the efficacy and importance of making real hard science within reach for the general public. Bravo!!
Hey Cool Worlds - what do you think about Avi Loeb's scientific approach to investigating UAPs?
Love all your vids :)
If you are referring to his idea of the foreign meteor that flew through or solar system he was not scientific about it at all.
I’d say my prior is that there’s a low probability of recovering unambiguous evidence, but I would never object to someone attempting to scientifically investigate
Thanks for this video btw, it really puts the topic into perspective.
Seems strange though that scientists say there isn't enough data but don't want to study it to get the data 🤷
Know I'm probably missing something, again ☺️
@@CoolWorldsLab hey thanks for your reply, sorry didn't see it before my previous msg.
As far as I can tell Loeb is trying to collect data to be studied and not searching for unambiguous evidence of everything?
If the rumour machine is true Professor Loeb has recovered interstellar material from the bottom of the ocean. News that should be breaking very shortly 🛸🤓
hard to peer review when the govt will not release the unredacted reports and evidence. I appreciate you explaining the scientific method tho!
Amigo... as always... enjoing EVERY minute of your videos... !!! This topic of UAPs is not usually scientifically discussed... and I'd love to read/hear more about it...Thanks again for your work. 🌃🪐⚡
How do scientists explain the many witnesses of actual physical UFO pilots and occupants? Like do scientists have an explanation as to how numerous people who never met eachother describe the same creatures with the same combination of detailed physical features that are not universally portrayed in popular science fiction entertainment? Detailes like the shapes of their feet and hands, or the way they move... Like what hypothesis would a scientist put forth to explain how thousands of witnesses around the world would mistake some other experience for that?
Well the obvious answer is mass hysteria. This is a phenomena that goes back hundreds of years and used to be focused on religious experiences and miracles.
I suspect some scientists offer explanations, but frankly as an astronomer it’s outside of expertise to explain how and why we see what we see.
@@byrnemeister2008 mass hysteria is literally not a real thing.
@@byrnemeister2008 Alien life is visiting our planet according to USAF Intelligence officer David Grusch and many other UFO whistle blowers who have testified to Congress and the Senate that the US military is hiding Alien UFO craft and bodies. The SISC has set up a bill to force them to reveal this captured Alien material or have their funding cut off. Please do explain the 2004 Tic Tac event then.
Another great video! I just would like to point out that just because the UAPs don't allow for enough ways to do an exhaustive amount of scientifically based research, it doesn't mean that they aren't there. Too many respected, very credible, and accomplished people have put their reputations and careers on the line for what they have witnessed. I think that in the world of science, you are absolutely correct but me being just a bystander and going on only my gut - I believe it to be true.
I mean, isn't it pretty much definitely is true that some people have seen things which couldn't be identified, so UAPs? The argument rather is, how much does the rate at which that happens differ from just the expected human error and other mundane weird stuff? Which I don't think the personal accounts change all that much, you know?
@@user-sl6gn1ss8p Yeah, you tell that to this Air Force & commercial pilot (& his co-pilot) of 31yrs experience he was just seeing things for 25mins & videotaped:
ORB at 37,000' - Captain Delgado's Unbelievable UFO Encounter:
th-cam.com/video/HXLFC-hwQ6M/w-d-xo.html
"Captain Erik Delgado flew in the US Air Force for 10 years and then for 21 years as a Commerical Cargo Pilot. on 19 March 2020, he and his Co-Pilot, a retired F-15 fighter pilot, witnessed this ORB that flew with their aircraft for an astounding 25 minutes!"
Or Top Gun Pilot and Aerospace Engineer, Ryan Graves:
UFO Tactics - Navy Pilot Ryan Graves gives UAP accounts at Aeronautical Conference:
th-cam.com/video/0sXGHvTceLc/w-d-xo.html
Navy Pilot Ryan Graves explains the UFO sightings off the east coast in Spring 2014.
"His account includes the famous "Gimbal" video. He describes their visual appearance and behavior."
UFO Tactics PART2 - Pilot Ryan Graves’ briefing on all the East Coast UFO - F18 engagements:
th-cam.com/video/gnK0F8YVhbw/w-d-xo.html
"Navy Pilot Ryan Graves explains the sightings and visual characteristics of the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena sightings off the east coast in Spring 2014. This includes the famous "Gimbal" video. He describes their visual appearance and behavior. This is part 2"
Chris Lehto.
there is no need to make a statement either way, you can hold both opinions and simply assign a probability/weight to them. And that is one you can probably calculate based on certain assumptions.
@@daarom3472 I doubt statistical analysis would be effective in these cases. It certainly would not meet the criteria for that method of establishing a scientific principal. The real method is to get the best most reliable data, and anyone who interferes with that, in particular in the military, must be immediately fired. Get science teams on the job investigating in real time and rolling over any authorities who try to interfere. Heads must roll.
Very good and fair assesment of the topic! I was quiet surprised to hear that one of the participants of the survey was shocked about the videos and then consequently reassured by the ideas of Mick West, who isn't approaching this with a scientific method at all.
True, Mick West does not approach the issue with a scientific method, but his conclusions are regarded by the whole world as "scientific realities."
I would be curious to see if his conclusions would still be considered "scientific realities" if he said that that these objects are not normal but are something extreme.
@@EsternoPidovanaI think a very good example of ‘confirmation bias’ in action.
When questioned about the analysis of the videos pilot Ryan Graves replied there is nothing that can be concluded from the videos alone. His own conclusions were based on these combined with radar data which of course is not available for study. Chris Lehto a very experienced pilot (squadron leader in fact) with decades of image interpretation has said the same and debunked Mick West’s interpretations pointing out his trigonometry is all based on measurements from the FLIR camera that pilots consider very unreliable, and would never use in preference to radar information.
I myself have founded a number of Mick West’s comments to be completely unfounded and demonstrably wrong.
But he provides ‘confirmation bias’ to people who have already drawn their own conclusions.
Okay but that's just wrong so you're either lying or don't understand the scientific method.
I love your channel, If I'm being honest with myself, I think I have fallen into a rabbit hole regarding UFO'S/UAP'S.
I have personally seen two Ufos perform impossible manoeuvres above my home, ever since then I have been trying to understand what I saw.
I really enjoyed the video, but I was thinking the whole time- is the scientific method really applicable at the moment?
I wouldn't expect a court to drop a case because 1000+ victims couldn't support their word of mouth claim.
The difference is that court cases regard events that we usually know could very well happen, which means personal accounts carry much more weight (though eyewitness testimony is still notoriously unreliable). Alien spacecraft would be an extaordinary discovery which we had previously no evidence for. So the court case analogy is completely off-base. By your logic we would also need to accept ghosts and religious figures revealing themselves to people, as there are thousands of reports of that as well.
Personally I find the recent government whistleblowers most interesting, but there's no actual evidence other than hearsay. So I'll remain skeptical until I see a craft or parts of a craft. That said, if something did come out, while I'd be highly interested in that, on a practical level I would be angry that government institutions even have the ability to hide it from us.
So the government can coverup things and people like you are happy.
Some of these people who have said they handled pieces of alien aircraft are very well respected people. They are backed up by citizens who are maybe not as well respected but as well respected as me any you.
How much does it take?
Some of the things being said are outright hostile to people who served their country in the military and I find your hostility towards them as un-American.
@@TimBee100 - Interesting how you say "un-American" as if it were a bad thing. You'll find most of the world is very proud to be un-American.
They’re real. They’ve been here forever. You’re being lied to. We’ve all been lied to for years by our military and government
but the issue is not really even that "the govt institutions are covering it up" I mean folks don't understand how this stuff works. First you have compartmentalization. These programs that have acquired this technology allegedly from UAP'sET ... are doing it very ROGUE. The Military Industrial complex has off the books deeeeep state DARK operations that even high ranking military commanders (including the President of the United States) don't have access to!. Compartmentalization is the feature of keeping all this stuff secret. There is no major "govt cabal" .. There are vast diverse groups that are working on various parts of these programs. Any captured UFO technology and contact is kept off the books and underwraps very skillfully. There are also the issue of controlled opposition and folks that are being ALLOWED to speak about the UAP stuff up to a point.. to control the narrative of UAP's..
@@TimBee100 I pretty specifically said I would not be happy to learn that there was a government coverup. That's nothing new of course. The US government does evil things all the time, like sending its citizens into unjustifiable wars and slaughtering innocents thousands of miles away for oil tycoons. I am proudly unamerican. The United States is an imperialist hegemon destroying our planet for capital, and I fully support whistleblowers, though that does not mean that I shouldn't wait for material proof, especially when the whistleblowers are high ranking war criminals who spend their time murdering children in the middle east when theyre not covering up the assault and murder of women in the military at home.
Mick West never debunked these videos. You also have to take into account the speeds in which the Tic-Tac Craft took off the screen at which was way past our capabilities. Also when they first spotted a fleet of these objects on their radar prior to Fravor going out to investigate what these were they were dropping from above 80,000 feet to sea level in 0.78 seconds. Which is obviously impossible for anything that we possess or any other country. It was clocked at 1700G’s. It’s obviously nothing we have
Disappointed he never watched the Dave Fravor-Lex Fridman interview. If he had, this presentation would have gone very differently.
Its exciting to see organizations like NASA starting to investigate the phenomenon of UFOs. I think the big problems foremost are the stigma and lack of data. Hopefully we see more independent scientific investigations, the data doesnt lie!
You’re the best , thank you so much for all the great work . I want to believe , which is why I know tangible, testable , measurable, repeatable evidence is needed .
thank you for talking about this. as an aerospace engineer I was able to attend the virtual AIAA presentation from Ryan Graves the ex F18 pilot while I found his story compelling I dunno what to make of the technology which sounds like magic and outside the realm of known physics
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. - Carl Sagan.
Now, imagine me talking to you from another continent, just 200 years ago. We'd be burned for witchery. Now imagine 'they' have let's say 100,000 years of advance.
Outside of known physics doesn't mean aliens, of course, just something worth looking into.
We also don't know how lichens decide to lichenize, but that doesn't mean they're aliens
@@lefty59th18 Great quote but isn't it originally attributed to Arthur C. Clarke? See his third law: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarke%27s_three_laws
The military whistleblowers seems to be favoring the term "non human intelligence" these days.
I truly despise paying for TH-cam premium just to hear a sponsored add.
I would be interested in seeing a follow up on your "Galactic colonization" video of 3 years ago. In particular I think a discussion of how both the biological and cultural integrity of the colonizers could be maintained over tens of thousands of years of travel in a limited, contained environment subjected to high fluxes of radiation might or might not be probable. Thank you for your well presented and informative videos.
Nice, a Cool Worlds vid just as I'm going to sleep! Professor Kipping is definitely one of my favorite science presenters!
I would love to see you interview Avi Loeb regarding the spherules his team recently recovered from a likely interstellar meteor. They are doing the rigorous, dispassionate science on objective, tangible evidence and early indications are proving incredibly interesting. I sense that would be a phenomenal discussion that you would be extremely well equipped for navigating
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Loeb? Rigorous?
With his current study, there are some issues:
He did no experimentation of iron vs. iron / nickel. He did not send samples to other scientists to study and analyze. He's making these types of interviews without having an actual paper that has been peer reviewed.
His claims:
1) The meteor from 2014 was moving faster than the escape velocity of the Sun, so it had to come from outside the solar system.
That's one possibility. Another is that it could have gotten slingshot-ted around any planet or the Sun, just like we slingshot our spacecraft in order to drastically increase their speed.
2) The government released information that the material strength of the fireball was tougher than all space rocks cataloged by NASA.
In November 2022, a paper was published, claiming the anomalous properties (including its high strength and strongly hyperbolic trajectory) of CNEOS-2014-01-08 are better described as measurement error rather than genuine parameters. Source: The Journal of the IMO: "Hyperbolic meteors: is CNEOS 2014-01-08 interstellar?"
He procured funds for the trip on a POTENTIALLY FALSE PREMISE.
3) He found millimeter sized spherules embedded in ocean floor.
His assumption is that those spherules came from the 2014 meteorite. There are an estimated 17,000 meteorites that hit the Earth every year (i.e., do not get burned up in the atmosphere). How does he know if some of the spherules didn't come from multiple different meteors?
4) There is not enough nickel in these samples for them to have come from our solar system.
Without experimentation to determine if the primarily iron portions of a meteor would create the same, more, or less spherules as a more Nickel / Iron portion of a meteor, one cannot assume that the entire meteor is made up almost exclusively of iron. There could be an unknown process at work when a super-heated meteor hits the cold ocean and creates spherules.
Loeb is a pseudoscientist, going to the media first, verifying his claims second, and having other scientists peer review his work never. His work on 'Oumuamua was weak sauce and not believed by the vast majority of astrophysicists. He will almost defintely strike out with his meteor claims. Time will tell, but don't hold your breath.
Well speaking of Frasers case, I think it is also interesting to ask where the noise comes from in such cases of mis-identification. Because there were mutliple observers who saw the anomaly, not only Fraser. How probable would a pure human error be here using large number statistics? It seems more like in that case they just did not have the tools and devices to figure out what they actually saw.
Well false positive isn't purely the rate of hallucinations, it also is the rate of misidentifying mundane objects and false assumptions, basically anything that could result in a false report. Given that a false positive rate of 0,001% is extraordinarily low and I'd probably put it at closer to 10% but that's just a guess on my part.
I worry that the scientific community is approaching UAP with the assumption it can be studied like a species of earth worm or an inanimate physical process.
Instead it may be a phenomena generated by intelligences smarter than we are and/or more technologically advanced and by appearances, don't want to be subject to our scientific curiosity. If that's the case, I wonder if the scientific community will have the wherewithal to recognize the situation?
the scientific approach is the best thing we have to learn things reliably. Everything else is just a leap of faith
If that is the case, there is not much we can do. Just saying "we don't have any solid evidence because they are intentionally hiding but they're real, trust me bro" does nothing to convince any skeptic. Sure, it's a hypothetical possibility (in fact, I think that's exactly what we would be doing if we discovered stone age aliens somewhere), but you can't have it both ways and say "they're undetectable but also blurry videos and eyewitness testimony are undisputable proof we have detected them".
@@delfinenteddyson9865 and all the UFO delusion believers are taking very big leaps of faith
I can guarantee as an astronomer, if you have done a time elapse image sequence of a wide field night sky, you have taken images of UAPs. Go back through your images one at a time and sequenced and look for them as stars that just appear and shortly after disappear, or moving slowly, very rapidly, erratically, etc. They appear and disappear in the middle of the fov, etc. An astronomer that hasn't stacked his images and looks through his wide fov images will absolutely find them. Zoom in on them.. you will see.
What cracks me up is that I bet if you could examine the raw footage that was used to create the observatory star images in this video, they are in that image sequence. You have them in that video clip and don't even realize it. Lol.
Also why didn't you look at the UAP video from the Puerto Rican customs agents? Better than the Navy's.
Meteorites, satellites, man-made airborne objects, fireflies, etc?
I’ve looked at a lot of raw images and honestly never seen anything UFO like
@@1dgramthese are the joke explanations that makes the scientific community look like the cardinals. Same exact behavior.
@@jaz4742 Those are possibilities you should try to rule out before you tell everyone that you photographed ET? Why? Because it's a lot more likely to be one of those.
@1dgram no those things are not at all what we are witnessing no matter how much you cry your paradigm to sleep. Secondly we actually don't know the likelihood of anything to do with other intelligence. It could be completely common. So no stop trying to pretend fireflies and planes and satelites are what we are seeing. Its lunacy and desperation. You completely ignored the flight characteristics that rule out all your options to begin with. People like you have no seat at the table anymore. You just havent caught up to that yet. Fireflies and planes lol. Youd rather accept fairies to protect your mind.
The fact that none of the scientists mentioned Roswell, therefore apparently haven't researched it, tells me they haven't seriously looked into the topic of aliens at all.
Scientists will say not enough data.
David Grusch goes to jail for a very long time if he has lied under oath to congress. Thousands of other credible witnesses and whistleblowers also putting themselves at risk.
Hopefully the bill is passed this month at congress and the govt and private corps release info about the exotic material and craft in possession.
Scientists will finally have the evidence that has been staring them in the face since Roswell.
Scientists can't be bothered with witnesses. The amount of evidence is staggering but non can be caught taking seriously. His " i asked my friends what they thought "means nothing .
They are LITERALLY the people searching for technosignatures. THE people looking for aliens. A single instance of debris from a balloon isn't all that to them.
Roswell is an old Cold War psyop that was meant to coverup top-secret military stuff.
It's amazing that it's spread into this collective delusion that aliens are visiting us every week, and they built the pyramids LOL
Would trust you more if you didn’t believe that a company can give 60% discounts so easily.
I love the exercise with the theoretical numbers of erroneous sightings. However the number of sightings that pilots do not report for fear of ridicule is missing. I’d bet they are seeing a lot more oddities than ever get reported.
It's never aliens until it is. Great video. Sometimes we all need a refresher on the scientific process! Curiosity should never be discouraged. Well done.
i too am a great fan of the Scientific Method.
And yet, way too many scientists aren’t very curious about this subject simply as human beings beyond just the faithful scientist.
@@TheHighlanderprime i doubt that very much... just because you don't see that someone is curious about something ... doesn't make them less curious.
when it comes to science... aside theoretical... to base a conclusion on mere hearsay or word-of-mouth is not very wise nor can be proven with the Scientific Method.... there simply isn't the data needed to come to an even remotely accurate conclusion.... especially when the data supplied is some random blurry phone recording with no actual reference point to even start from.... something Mick West addresses time and time again.
As usual for this channel, a very rigorous treatment of a subject of great interest to mankind and myself. At the end of the day its not aliens until it is undeniably aliens. Great video!
nice way to put it... its not real unless its ACTUALLY real.... where so many are willing to commit to an outcome as positive when there is simply not enough data to prove it.
There are precisely two faith-based beliefs in the UAP field; The first is "it's extraordinary" the second, "it's mundane."
Great video. 👍
This is pretty much what I tried to express elsewhere, and, well... The results were sadly far less than stellar. A lot of people make up their mind really quickly, and often, the more egregious the claim, the easier it appears to be for it to be accepted (especially when other egregious claims are already taken for granted). And it seems a lot harder to just say "we should find out what it is we actually saw", as it will be met with instant resentment.
Guess instead of trying to debate the issue, I was just proving the Backfire effect.
It's always very difficult to argue with believers. They made up their minds already regardless of the evidence or lack thereof, don't even realise it, and project this confirmation bias onto skeptics. Open-mindedness works both ways.
the very last scientist interviewed was great: She said UAPs are "very interesting" scientifically because she includes cognitive bias in "science" (psychology/psychiatry science). Perfect answer!
*_Aliens don't like humans. Otherwise, they'd say hello, and then goodbye._*
Maybe they already did lol 🤷🏼♂️
@@ClericalConsequences 🤔 🧐
I never talk to the chickens, cows and pigs I eat.
@@TennesseeJedmaybe you should
@@TennesseeJed 😲
People want so much to believe. Why? Being alone in the universe is so much more magnificent to ponder.
If they are shown to be visiting then scientists aren’t making a sudden discovery, it means they dropped the ball a long time ago.