I'm the guy behind this bootleg vinyl blog below. From the first time I ever came across a bootleg album, I could see the benefits to all immediately & that hasn't changed to this day (now that we exchange recordings of our favorite bands via torrent files). The benefits are: - Making exciting recordings available to those, who wish to go further, as you mentioned. Seeing fans/consumers as a homogeneous group that is happy with the occasional live album, as it used to be, was always paying a disservice to the more dedicated fans. - Bootlegs provided an archive of either a certain tour or unreleased recordings, especially when the artists or their record company did not record the performance themselves. - As an artist, if you got bootlegged, that's a sign of success. And unless someone pirated an officially released release, the artist & rec. co. did not lose any money because of the bootleg. I had always hoped, rec. co. would have chosen to record the shows themselves and exert their own quality control and fight bootlegs that way but few bands did this and nobody I know in the 70's & 80's. - And finally, in the past at least, it provided the bootlegger with an income. theamazingkornyfonelabel.wordpress.com
Love the website spinalcrackerbox and I didn't know that you were the man behind it! Wow! I feel honored as I have referenced your site numerous times. I agree with all your points and especially, the third one. I didn't cover pirated albums at all in this video but you're right, this is the only case where the artist lost money. Personally, I think the bootlegs helped the sales of the official releases to some degree. There are some bands that I delved into further by hearing their shows and I elected to grab their official studio releases after hearing them live.
Didn't realize you had a boot video, very cool! I recently jumped down the bootleg rabbit hole, have a pretty great collection of Zeppelin boots now. I always said I wouldn't due to the notoriously inconsistent sound quality but eventually the collectibility and historic value got the best of me. The story behind these recordings is just amazing, many of these legendary performances would have been lost in time if not for these dudes smuggling their equipment into concerts. Now we have modern technology to remaster and improve some of these classic recordings, with updated packaging as well. There have been many excellent titles being released in 2024 alone, expensive time for a hopeless boot collector!
Very nice point/counterpoint Paul. I guess I may be one of the only longtime boot collector who loves bad audience recordings. A great example is one that I am sure that you are familiar with. Led Zeppelin '1975 World Tour' boot on The Amazing Kornyfone Record Label . Or TARKL which I am sure that you also recognize. Anyways, it is an audience recording at the Montreal Forum on February 6th, 1975. It sounds like it was recorded from the second balcony inside one of the lucky Zeppelin fan's knapsack. Even though the recording is about a five out of ten there is a lot of magic going on. You can hear the taper's adding some funny lines and even promoting the recording for future sales. The band is playing amazing well considering Plant's voice which was still kind of raspy in the early stages. I think Montreal was fourteenth out of thirty seven shows. It was recordings like this that I really got off on as a early teen. I would lay back with my headphones on late at night and try to picture what it was like seeing my favorite band live. A bad audience recording was a lot better than a great soundboard any day of the week. I never really felt the magic of a Zeppelin live performance from listening to soundboards. Anyways. You are a master at these kinds of videos. Your editing and your overall appreciation of bootlegs made for superb watch. One of my favorite VC videos of the week. Way to go Paul~ Rob/Boston
Thanks Rob for chiming in. There are a lot of great Zeppelin performances that are poor audience recordings. I am sure you have the 'Burn Like A Candle' show from California where 'Weekend' was recorded in the bathroom. That show was magical. There is also the Iceland show from '70. It makes me wonder if Page still has some stuff under lock and key. For example, the Jan. 22nd, 1973 show was professionally recorded and leaked as a bootleg. It's one my favorite shows due to the rare performance of 'How Many More Times.' Didn't you catch them on the '75 tour? I have the Montreal show but I haven't played it in a very long time. I may have to revisit it. Thanks for watching and commenting as always Rob! You the backbone of the Vinyl Community.
For being both a huge fan of your channel and bootlegs, this was a treat! I got the bootleg bug from my dad, who is an avid collector. I was always downloading KISS shows and downloading artwork for cd and that was it. When I started to seriously collect, the first record I bought with my own money was a bootleg (Floyd 67-68 BBC sessions). I was adamant that I would only buy soundboard recordings and radio broadcasts. It was with time that I got to appreciate audience recordings and I went on board with the whole thing. Most of the boots I have are of KISS & Floyd. I do have several Zeppelin shows, one of them being the Fillmore one you showed and now I need to hunt down the Scandinavian show! Awesome stuff Paul!
Thank you sir and I just subbed your channel. I hope to watch your content when I can, time allowing. On Floyd and KISS, there is a lot of wonderful content out there for both bands. With Floyd, I have a bunch of their earliest performances before they broke big with DSTOM which I absolutely love. It's pretty cool that your father was into bootlegs as well. I started out buying them on cassette through ads in Goldmine magazine, back when it was coming out weekly and was the size of a Sunday evening newspaper.
Thanks Leon. We have a topic storm/hurricane that started to hit this afternoon so it left me with a bunch of free time on my hands so I thought I would craft a good video.
Great Video Paul !! The Hendrix clip sounded good .. Saw Zeppelin at The Fillmore East in '69 .. Violin bow and all ... Woody Herman opened !! Peace Brother .... Jimmy ...
Thanks Jimmy! Yeah, it was fun to hear Page when he got into his solo's. When it got to the '73 tours and beyond, the guy could solo for 20 minutes or more.
Back in 1984 i was in Greenwich village and visited one of many record stores located there. I picked up a double album purported to be a bootleg of Zeppelin's last concert in Berlin. However when i arrived back in the U.K i was dismayed to hear the sound quality which was appalling and obviously an AUD recording. I advertised the sale of the album in a music magazine and stated how bad the quality of the bootleg was. However i was inundated with offers and eventually settled on a sale that was almost triple the amount i had originally paid. I've never achieved such a mark up since..unsurprisingly. A most interesting video as always so many thanks again.
Thanks Barrie for commenting. That's too bad about the Berlin show being an audience version. That show was leaked as a Soundboard eventually and I thought it was their best of that tour! I am glad you made all your money back though. There are some diehards that will take even a bad audience recording. I used to be that way until I discovered I can find it all on the Internet.
How this video slipped past me on my feed is beyond me. Once again you knock it out of the park. To me the bootlegging market was always a gamble. I have gone to more downloading of shows (so thank for you the new resource sites, I will be checking those out). But I also don't have a problem buying some, if the price isn't too bad. Its that tactile cool factor of having something that isn't really readily available. I have a couple vinyl, but more are on cd. Most like I said are digital, and I used to spend time burning them to disc and making covers for them. That just seems like a waste now. But you have inspired me to make a video on this, so I hope to do that this week. As always take care Paul, I hope you and yours are well.
Hello Tim and no problem if my videos slip by you ;) There are so many people making videos now, it's just hard to keep up with everyone. I think our experiences are pretty much the same on Bootlegs and you sum it up quite nicely. Most of my boots were bought during the CD era. I had a few I did show in the original cut of this one but I took it out because I felt the video was way to long! If you do a video, I would love to see what you have.
Hey Paul! I didn't realize bootlegs originated THAT long ago! Yay, TMOQ! In the late 90s/early 00s I tried to record a few shows by taping a mini cassette recorder to my leg under my jeans. Well, it didn't turn out well at all. Ha! Fascinating history/rundown/your opinions. Jam packed full of great info! In college I downloaded so many Juliana Hatfield live shows, Local H, etc from Napster, Soulseek, etc. I'm totally guilty. Also I bought several Who CD bootlegs from a magazine that turned out to actually sound pretty well. Really enjoyed this video!
Thanks Hanna for watching ;) I too tried to bootleg a few shows on a couple of Mini-Disc players a long time ago. I had a couple of stealth mics wired into a hat and I stuffed the Mini-Disc players down my pants so I won't get flagged by security. That was pre-9/11 though. I think it would be harder to get that kind of gear through today but a cell phone sure. Napster...hell yeah. I used to do Napster. I did magazines too. My first ever bootlegs came from Goldmine magazine. There was a guy running an add for all of the Zeppelin shows he had which he would then copy them on cassette. It was kind of lame and the guy was easily making money but at the time, I was in bliss hearing new material.
great topicfor a video or video series, for me i happen to love bootlegs ,had some live metallica cassettes when i was younger that just blew my mind have a few zep and blondie vinyl bootlegs and recenty grabbed a few mazzy star cd bootlegs great stuff
Wow! I would love to find some good recordings from Mazzy Star. I never thought to seek their stuff out but I am betting they have some well recorded stuff out there. I am glad Metallica started to put out their shows officially and I wish more bands would wise up to that. Thanks for watching kurtzcol.
Great video Paul, very informative and lots of fun. Despite collecting records for 50 years I don’t have a single bootleg, after your video that may change. Hope to see you back here very soon.
Thanks Ron and I get the desire to steer clear of them. There is great material out there to be had with a lot of artist. The important thing is figuring out if what you're buying is quality or not.
Really great video, Paul. I've been a lifelong fan of bootlegs. They've often been my favorite way to hear stripped-down versions of songs by certain artists--especially during times like the '80s or '90s when producers were a bit overzealous in the studio. I started out with lots of vinyl stuff, but like you I switched to music files (about twenty years ago). I have one iPod with just bootlegs on it, and one with studio albums, depending on what listening mood i'm in. This episode was very inspirational, and I think I'll do my own episode on bootlegs. Thanks!
Thank you and please let me know if you do end up doing a video. I would love to see it nd would be happy to pin it or place as a reference in this one. I do agree with your comment on hearing the stripped down version of tracks. I am always delighted when things like that get leaked publicly.
The Beatles "Unsurpassed Masters" and "Ultra Rare Trax" were mind-blowing when I bought the CDs in the 1990s. They are basically the template for the modern Beatles "Deluxe Editions" of the last few years.
You know I used to have the Ultra Rare Trax on CD but I don't know what I did with it. I loved that CD and I am glad a lot of the material surfaced. Makes you wonder if they'll ever do more extensive releases. They seem to be slowly bleeding out but they're milking that cash cow for all it's worth.
They sure are milking that poor cow to death. They’ll continuing beating the dead horse next. I picked up the 3 albums that Giles Martin did the stereo remixes for, but I only bought the deluxe version of the White Album. The Esher Demos are worth the price of admission alone, IMHO. Giles did a beautiful job with Sgt. Pepper and Abbey Road too. I’d love to see an AAA stereo box set like the mono one, but I think that ship may have already sailed. The mono box is truly a masterpiece.
I hope the information is useful. I picked up some of my earliest CD bootlegs in Uppsala around '96 or so visiting some family there. There is a lot of great material out there, even on the Jazz front which I really didn't get into in this video.
Sade is the only I’ve sought out a bootleg for & ironically I was going to mention that the background music sounds very Sade like. It sounds really good.
I love Sade but I don't have any of her bootlegs and I am betting there are some really good board or radio broadcasts of her shows. I've seen a few of her concerts posted on TH-cam and she's one I hope I can catch in person some day. thanks for taking the time to watch and comment.
Hey Paul, really enjoyed this video as it felt part way between a documentary exploding a few bootleg myths and a love letter to exactly those same myths and legends - the TMOQ's and TAKRL's and more. A lot of wonderful info really well presented, and you had me reflecting back to my first TAKRL Floyd boot in the 90s😄 a real delight to watch, cheers- Dean
So I have sworn off buying more bootlegs but if I ever saw a Floyd bootleg at a reasonable price on the TAKRL or TMOQ labels, I would definitely pick it up without hesitation. I've downloaded a lot of Floyd releases and I love their performances before they got big with DSOTM. Thanks so much for watching, as always, Dean!
Blöödy interesting video, Paul! I don't mind bootlegs. If record companies don't release interesting stuff then what's the alternative? I don't have many genuine bootlegs. I have some "half-blooded bootlegs" as I call them. They include like BBC sessions or something like that. Have you heard a label called SWINGING PIG? They released some really really good stuff around the early 90s. Thanks to their releases I got interested in Pink Floyd. My friend had 3 live albums by them and I recorded them. Lovely early stuff! No need to have a bad conscience, Jarkko/MyVinylBar
Hello Jarkko! Yes. I have a couple of Swinging Pig titles on CD that I picked up on a trip to Germany and they are BBC sets just as you describe. They were some of my earliest bootlegs too. For me, I really like getting the BBC broadcasts because the quality on them is quite good. Thanks for watching this one.
Boots are the best, especially for artists who routinely play songs in concert that never see a studio version. Nothing compares to having a physical copy though, and it's fun to chase the different labels/covers/colors for the early vinyl.
I agree completely! Collecting 'Jam' bands can be extremely fun. I am a sucker for finding these in the used bins and looking the variations. Thanks so much for watching and commenting Margaret.
Hello Paul good seeing your buddy just a great video professionally produced and a great topic that has not been covered very well. Paul, you have done an outstanding job, Congratulations.
Thanks Ron. I think I had way too much time on my hands today which has been a rarity. This tropic storm/hurricane is starting to soak us so I was stuck inside all day and that's not a bad thing.
I bought many in my teens and 20s (back in the 80s-90s). My preference was always tapes - either dubbed from someone or bought at a record show - sometimes these were just tapes, sometimes they were from a CD Import, sometimes a vinyl record. The few vinyl bootlegs I have always sounded terrible - the CD ones I had to go into NYC to get always sounded great. BUT TMOQ ones always sounded good. To me - there is no reason to do anything but download and pay zero now. I have pretty much stopped now - used to be the classics (Stones, Dylan, Beatles, Kinks, Pink Floyd, etc.) - I do collect the occasional radio broadcast and archive it - as a matter of fact, me doing this was one of the first YT videos I made.
After this experience, I am going back to pure downloading. I agree with paying zero. I too started out with dubbed tapes and I ordered some from Goldmine magazine when it used to be the size of a Sunday newspaper. I found an add for a bunch of classic rock ones and the guy was charging $5 for a dubbed cassette. I decided to try it out and loved what I heard at the time. Likely because I was hungry for something different. I am going to have to go back and watch that YT video of yours.
Great vid Paul. I once had about 25 Zep boots and 30 Stones boots. I have sold most, kept around 5 of them. Fun stuff, love the ones with good cover art. Love the Peter Grant bit at the end. Take care👍🎶
Thanks Dana. The Stones really have a lot of great bootlegs out there on the market and I had to cut it from this video but I went over bands like the Stones that have dedicated books on their bootlegs. If you have a dedicated book then it means your live shows must have been really good.
Hey Paul, Great to see you back with another awesome video. Bootlegs....ahh. ..well..I was really into getting them years back...but not physical copies. ..I'm a Downloader ...and to be clear. .I'm very strictly went after live shows...no bootlegged studio albums...or unreleased studio stuff...as a musician..I thought this was just wrong...but that's my opinion. I loved hunting down FM broadcasts or soundboard recordings. ..frankly I became so accustomed to good soundboard recordings that all audience recordings just sounded like a cement mixer to me. My favorites were Yes live bootlegs. ..there is an absolutely brilliant bootleg from 1971 in Connecticut while on their tour for The Yes Album. The story is a gentleman walked up to the sound guy and asked if he could plug in his 2 track reel to reel during the concert. ..and surprisingly he agreed..and that gave us a beautiful sounding early performance of Yes. Also the 1991 Union tour has excellent soundboard and FM broadcasts. I also look for Rush soundboards and Kiss. Now some bands are getting wise to this and making excellent boxsets with whole tours worth of live recordings ..like King Crimson. ..and they also have a wonderful site where you can download whole shows from tours through out their whole carrer. So there is a wealth of great stuff out there if you know where to look. Mark Anthony K Projekt Gemineye
Good to hear from you Mark and things have been pretty busy for me which has impacted my video making ability. Yeah, if I had my preference, I am always going to take a Broadcast or Board tape over and audience recording. And your absolutely right about Yes! I think I have that very same Connecticut show and it's pure bliss. I am thankful that many bands are wising up to releasing some of the old tapes. Zeppelin had all of their '75, '77, and '80 tours recorded but all of the tapes were stolen from Jimmy Page's vaults and the person that stole the tapes is slowly leaking them out. It's unfortunate. Thanks for watching my friend.
@@BarakaPDub your welcome Paul. I really do enjoy these videos...by the way...I'm not sure if you are aware that I released an album on vinyl a few months ago. Here is the link in case you are interested in getting a copy. projektgemineye.bandcamp.com/album/in-the-year-3073-book-i Take care and be safe my friend. Mark Anthony K Projekt Gemineye
Love this Paul. I did an early boot-case video almost two years ago but I will soon a reply with my collection of only Dylan and the Beatles. Superb intro to the bootleg experience Nicely done ✌🏻
Thanks Mazzy! I just caught that you did your video. Thank you so much for doing that. I am going to have to pin it to this one for people to reference.
Back in 1994 I remember being allowed into the locked back room of a record store on Main St in Buffalo. Stacks of Italian bootleg CDs. Soundgarden, Pearl Jam, etc. I still have some of them. Great live shows.
I think Kiss The Stone was originally based in Italy and I loved finding their stuff because that had several CDs from each of the Grunge Bands. My local store, at the time, only had some 20 titles but when I found my first one, I wanted to jump deep into that rabbit hole.
BarakaPDub Soundgarden - The Garden Grows 2CD is on Cocomelos Records (Italy), Soundgarden - Eye is on Shinola (Germany), Soundgarden - Violently Happy is on Monada (Czech Republic), Pearl Jam - Self Pollution Radio is on that KTS label. A few from that locked back room.
Always great to see a new video from you, Paul. I only have a couple of bootlegs, the Piece de Resistance boot from Springsteen. It was a radio broadcast pressed to wax and the sound quality isn't that great. But its a 3 record set and it comes o a box and it looks all pretty, but it doesn't sound so hot. I actually went back and bought the c D version of that show off of Bruce's website and it sounds fantastic. Remastered and pristine. I have an Elvis Costello boot called 50,000,000 Elvis Fans Can't be Wrong, which is half outtakes from his first album and half live performances of material from his first 2 albums. Again, sound quality isn't the best but its cool to have. Hope you are doing well and staying safe, my friend. Be well.
Thanks Jeff. I lucked out with some spare time yesterday due to this tropical storm hitting us and I felt inspired. That's weird about the Springsteen boot. I wonder if the source material was four or five generations removed from the original broadcast tapes or if it was a bootlegger bootlegging another bootlegger. I encountered a bit of that when I was collecting bootleg CDs back in the 90's. Hope the plant is now properly staffed and you're not pulling double shifts anymore.
Thanks for doing this Paul. I enjoy bootlegs and found this very informative. The novelty aspect of collecting bootlegs is part of it for me. Take care. Andre’
I think if I run across any of the three labels I mentioned in the used bins, at a reasonable price, I probably wouldn't hesitate to pick them up. The Rubber Dubber's go for a lot of coin though. More than I care to spend.
Great video as always Paul! To me, bootlegs are an invaluable way to hear a band live. Often I find bands don't release enough live material (or any at all) and so we only have lkve albums from a specific period in their careers, eg Alice Cooper. Other times, the live recording they do release are overdubbed and doctored up in the studio. Thankfully bootlegs allow us to get a more authentic sound. The only bootleg I currently own is AC/DC Live In Bodton 1978, which is absolutely killer! It's a quite different setlist from If You Want Blood (which was the only official live album they made with Bon Scott) which makes it all the more valuable to me. If I could get them officially, I would! That's just my thoughts.
AC/DC had some great bootlegs with Bon and I have several shows from the '78 tour that I like better than If You Want Blood. I guess I like them for the same reason you stated. It's a more complete picture of what was happening, warts and all. Thanks so much for commenting Nick.
My bootleg experience revolved more around tape trading. I did a lot of it in the 80s and early 90s. I do own a few boots, but I could count them on one hand. Great video.
Tape trades or I guess a tape purchase is how I started. Remember when Goldmine magazine used to be dropped like a Sunday newspaper on a weekly basis? It was Goldmine where I found an add for a guy selling tapes. He had some Zeppelin recordings and I was curious. I think I paid him $15 for four shows. The guy must have made a killing. Thanks for watching Dave! I enjoyed your Mommyheads Interview and I had never heard of them before your video. I thought it was funny they had their rebirth in Scandinavia.
I sampled them and I thought they were great! Again, thanks for doing the video because I wouldn't have known about them otherwise. It's a shame they didn't garner more attention here back in the day.
There's a mostly inactive Pink Floyd boot site called pf roio (been around since the 90s) that used to have active files but is now a good database for what you might find elsewhere.
I think I have hit that site but it's been a very long time since I visited it. Early in my bootleg collecting, I used that site as a reference as Floyd was one of early targets.
This was such a fantastic video Paul. I have shied away from bootlegs for years because the quality is usually variable. In my younger days I would buy bootleg tapes from a market stall by bands I was into at the time, like Deep Purple or AC/DC. I do have a few including a copy of the excellent Crosby Stills Nash Young 'Wooden Nickel' and Crosby Nash Live in London but only because I found them in a charity shop. I don't collect in the same completist way that I used to, so bootlegs are off radar in the main. That being said- the Fleetwood Mac and Hendrix you showed got me intrigued. I have never considered listening to Mac live from this period and it has certainly peaked my interest. I looked into the Hendrix and man alive- that's a great gig! Those are two records it would be great to own. You said that you don't want to buy bootlegs. Do you mean 'anymore'? now the internet has them all available? The jazz bootlegs you spoke of at the beginning- are these available at all? Are they mainly 40s, 50s recordings or are there any later ones of Coltrane etc? Thanks, Alan
Alan thanks for watching and commenting. For Fleetwood Mac, there are a bunch of excellent radio broadcasts out there from '78 that I recommend over this show that sound fantastic. The Hendrix show is in high demand as a bootleg because the performance was one of his best. The whole bootlegged concert was put out on Hendrix's VEVO feed so that's saying something about the show. As for bootlegs, yes, I am hanging up my hat on buying anymore. With dimeadozen, I have picked up so many great shows, including a lot of great Jazz releases. There is a bunch of Davis stuff that gets put up frequently and many artist from the Hard Bop and Fusion era. It's worth setting up an account and hitting it weekly to see if there is anything good being dropped.
Thanks Richard! I thought this would make for a good topic after I got burned by this one recently about a month ago. I lucked out with all the rain we started to get here so I had plenty of time to string something together. Wish I could ship all this rain to California.
Hello. Great post. I am myself a zeppelin bootleg collector and own quite a few vinyl as well as CDs and Tapes that I started collecting 1980. But now I just grab what I want from the internet BUT if I come across a nice recording of a show then I am buying. But the price for Led Zeppelin bootlegs on vinyl had become so crazy. I can’t seeing paying out $500 for something that is on the net for free. Most that I have spent was $350. I’d show you pictures of some of my collection of vinyl but seems like I can’t post pictures here so …… idk
My thoughts match yours. I have a hard time justifying buying another bootleg unless it's something special. I am happy the '75 and '77 tour soundboard tapes are slowly being leaked out. When I hear a show, from the net, that is totally stellar, I am tempted to pay some money but like you, $500 is too much to pay for something you can get for free.
Had no idea they were a such thing as bootleg vinyl records, such a good informative video 😊 I’ve been saving live-streams of my favorite bands and keeping them for myself haha a modern bootleg
Saving live streams is definitely the modern form of bootlegs and the advent of the internet has really squashed the physical form of bootlegs. I think if it wasn't for vinyl resurgence, the physical form of bootlegs would be all but dead now. Thanks for watching Monica.
One of the most famous vinyl bootlegs was the Bob Dylan's Basemant Tapes, before became an official release in 1975 and again in 2014 for first time the complete sessions. By the way today Bob Dylan turns 80 years old!
Van Halen is my favorite band. So they are the band i chase Bootlegs for. I have at least 1 show on vinyl from all of the tours with David Lee Roth on the band initial run from '78-'84. I also have some boots of theirs that predate them signing with WB. I also have a few bootleg vinyl presses of some Sammy era stuff. In total though across all platforms, I have shows from all of the VH tours spanning their career.
I have several Van Halen boots on CD but only scored my first vinyl boot during the making of this video. I actually had it on order several weeks prior to filming but it didn't arrive here in time for the shoot. I saw a new live compilation being featured on Amazon featuring material from Dave and Sammy. I think it's coming out next month.
Outstanding video Paul! The story of Mike Millard is legendary and tragic at the same time. If I could have a 2nd or 1st gen cassette or reel from that collection, that would be the crown jewel of my collection! I wasn't aware of the National project, thank you so much for sharing. I really enjoyed Mistaken for Strangers (unrelated to this but to The National). Oh and some credit goes to Nakamichi as well! I've seen a copy of that Coke-Hendrix at Rush-Mor records. It was out of my price range lol. I was able to download a huge pdf on Pink Floyd boots. That has helped me identify and avoid bad copies. Mr. Grant would beat the brains out of people recording those shows lol Nice touch with the time stamping. Does YT automatically add the topic to the timeline? I only own a few bootleg records and I have an extensive mp3 catalog of Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd downloaded from various underground torrent and P2P sites. My favorite legal site was Wolfgang's Vault for listening to soundboard recordings from the Fillmore. Favorites that I own: It was very important to me to obtain recordings of concerts I attended. I was very excited, after years of hunting, to get Pink Floyd live at Ohio Stadium 1994, Metallica at Buckeye Lake 1992 and Ozzfest '97 final set with audio during the riot that followed. These are poorly recorded from a non-nakamichi cassette deck but very, very special to have. Cheers ~Corey
Hello Corey. Yeah, I was a slow comer to the time stamping but it's pretty damn easy. I don't know if you watch Kevin - The Basic Filmmaker but he does a nice run down of how to put it in and offers some suggestions on other things if you monetize. I don't monetize but I found it interesting to watch. th-cam.com/video/SDDAoBsYLJg/w-d-xo.html I love Wolfgang's Vault and used to frequent it a lot. I totally forgot about that until I read you're comment. I hear you on the specialness. I think I would be happy to get any show I attended, even if the recording quality sucked! Jealous you got to see Floyd. I would have been happy to see them on the Division Bell tour.
Hi. I was conned a few times. The record sleeve looked great like a real live release. Put it on the turntable and it sounds like it was recorded in the cloakroom.
Hello Stephen. You definitely need to scope things out because many of the audience recordings are down right bad. I would really want to sample the goods before making a purchase.
Thank you sir, I am going to have to check that video out! If I had to spring for a bootleg again, I would focus on the radio broadcasts for sure. I just saw the full MTV Unplugged Pearl Jam show for sale on juno.co.uk which has me tempted.
Hey Paul, great subject and video! I collected Zeppelin too, ordered the expensive CD stuff from Japan on labels like Tarantura, Cobla and Empress Valley. Got a few on wax too from Zeppelin (of course), Metallica, Opeth and a few others. I agree on that there's a lot of shit out there too. That Collage is great, but if you got the ears yours is great too, a great show. Try the books on Zeppelin Live Tapes by Luis Rey. SLAAAAAAYYYYER!
Hello Pieter. I actually featured a few CDs when I originally shot all of this yesterday but when I got to editing it, I felt it was way too long! Tarantura, Cobla, and Empress Valley are all great labels. And the Luis Rey book is a must for any Zeppelin collector. It makes me wonder though if he will do another version of the book since many of the '75 and '77 shows have been leaked since he did his last take on it. Do you get your CD's from Fisheads?
@@BarakaPDub Yes, from Fisheads and record conventions before the big hunt on bootlegs started (here in Europe anyway). Rey issued a new version from his book for 2 years, I believe. But next month there's another 1975 show making his debut as a soundboard (shame there isn't more coming from the early years). I sold all my original silvers a few years ago because one of the doggies needed an operation that costed a few bucks. When there's something spectacular new stuff coming out, I download it but it doesn't tickle me as much as a few years before. My favourite ever show was/is the audience recording of the Los Angeles 1972 show that Jimmy used the pro-recording of for How The West Was Won. Hope to hear and see from you soon. All the best!
Sorry about your dog but I would likely do the same thing. I can't wait for the '75 Show release. I saw it from Fisheads the other day. The Los Angeles shows were all generally quite good so I can't wait to hear it. I just hate how slowly they're being leaked out.
I like the pun Ben. The original take on this one went on a bit longer but I decided to pare it down to hit the highlights and not make it too boring. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Great video, Paul, I learned a lot and may grab a book or two as I find the historical aspect interesting. As for actual bootlegs I think I only have one, by Blondie. I can see how bootleg wax would have been desirable back in the pre-internet days before our lives became flooded with content. If you wanted more 'content' back then, a bootleg filled the bill. As for the questionable ethics of bootlegs, I've never dwelled on it because it's never been my thing. I'm open to being okay with most bootlegs. Where the line gets crossed for me is counterfeits. Thanks for sharing, I might grab an 800- page book thanks to you... LOL Cheers, Tom
The Heylin book is really a fun read because he did a lot of research for it and talked to all the guys running the early labels. I think I scored mine off of eBay for a whopping $10 and it's my second copy. I lent my first copy out and never had it returned. Back in the 90's, before the internet really took off and CDRs were not big on the seen yet, it was the only way to get my fix for bands that would never really perform live again. I agree with you about the counterfeits (or pirates). It's probably something I should have addressed in this video since a few others commented on it as well.
I love finding radio broadcasts. They can be hit and miss but it’s been far more hit for me. My favorite band is The Stones but they have many live albums, same for Springsteen. You can go on his site and get almost any show you want. How ever a band like Sabbath only had one live album in the 70’s Ozzy era and the band hated it so I buy up any radio broadcasts I can. I also do the same for AC/DC Bon Scott era.
It's sad that Sabbath didn't have more from the 70's. They're one band I wish they had a really good live album from their early years. AC/DC has a bit more but not much in the grand scheme of things. I do agree that radio broadcasts are a good place to start with Bootlegs.
I have a Chinese or Taiwanese copy of Lou Donaldson Everything I play is gonna be Funky I’m pretty sure it’s a bootleg I found it in a Goodwill years ago . I seeked out the original blue note from 1970 as I love the music the bootleg is in G to G - condition to be honest I knew Lou Donaldson but the pretty lady on the cover intrigued me keep up the great videos you do a great job educating the VC
Thank you for for checking this old one out. I occasionally come across those of Chinese or Taiwanese copies here locally. I don't know why so many pop up here, I think there might have be a few families that immigrated over.
I was not a huge fan of bootlegs until recently, just because most that I bought from the 70s and 80s sounded pretty bad. The bootlegs that have been coming out lately have been fantastic though. I have about a half doze ACDC boots, a few Alice In Chains, a few Maidens and a bunch of Priest boots and they sound amazing. The Metallica and Megadeth boots I've grabbed have been pretty rough, but I was able to sell them for what I paid. The best modern boot label has been Varner. I have not gotten a bad bootleg from them. Eventually I will do a video. It's hard right now because I have been reorganizing the lest couple of months so my music room is is extreme disarray. I hope that all is good Paul. Stay safe my friend.
Great to hear from you and thanks for watching this one! One of my earliest boots was of a Metallica show from '86 and it was pretty bad. I was pretty discouraged after listing too it but I am happy they are one of the few bands that have realized they can profit from releasing all their live stuff officially. I just wish more bands would get onboard with the concept. I haven't encountered Varner before and please let me know if you do a video! I would love to see some of the stuff you have.
The Fleetwood Mac bootleg is really cool! The cover of the Jimi Hendrix one was great too. I don't have any bootlegs but I would definitely like some Kiss and Van Halen. I know they are out there but I never see them. I've always worried about the sound quality so I will keep the labels you named in mind. I could tell a really big difference in the sound quality of the Led Zeppelin bootlegs you olayed. Wow! Great video. Take care.
Fleetwood Mac actually had some better bootlegs out there. They had some board or radio broadcast tapes leaked from this same year that are just phenomenal. There are some good Van Halen ones out there and I think I know of one that you might like which I have a spare copy of. I may have to send you one if you're interested since you're about the only person I know that loves VH as much as I do. Regardless, thanks for watching Melinda.
@@BarakaPDub what a sweet offer. I would always welcome something from Van Halen that sounds good. I never see good bootlegs in stores. If you are positive you can part with it, I will reach out to you in a private message on Instagram.
You obviously know your bootleg info Paul. In the late 70s and early 80s nothi g was more exciting then getting a bootleg. It was so darn exciting, it was like having this wonderful illegal grail. Problem most sounded like crap. Now there is all kinds of this material pouring out of Europe especially Russia. I just picked up a VU bootleg, it was horrendous. I like bootlegs because it shows a band with all their warts but also gives you a feel for the audience. One Zep bootleg I have is sooo loud , the audience that is, that the music is hard to hear. Lately most bootlegs have been good. Obviously I lost a lot of them but I did save a few. There is a guy ( sounds mysterious) that I visit that has tons of Floyd and Zep bootlegs. Once in awhile he will sell me one. Great video and extremely interesting. Steve
Thanks Steve and it's cool you have your source that will deal on occasion ;) I still get a thrill when I see them in the 'Used Bins' but it's likely due to the nostalgia I feel when I was introduced to them via CDs in the early 90's. You're right about the crap! I have a bunch of terribly recorded Zeppelin bootlegs. Some I would seek out just because of the performance or for a given song but you have to tolerate a lot to really get any enjoyment out of them. Anymore, if I grab one of the internet, I am only going to keep it if it's quality. Dimeadozen gets a ton of shows daily and it was a great way of finding old Jazz recordings of the Blue Note, Columbia, and Verve greats from the 50's and 60's.
Great video as always Paul! On another matter, what are you initial thoughts on the new Bent track that just recently dropped? Like yourself, I have been a huge fan of the band since the beginning. Keep up the great content!
Hello Simon! Happy to hear from another Bent fan. I didn't know they dropped a track from the new album. I pre-ordered it from Rough Trade about a week ago and happened upon it by accident. I would love to know where the track is?
@@BarakaPDub I heard it on KCRW. I checked Spotify over the weekend and it was not posted. The track is called Friends with at least the album version and a remix.
Here is the link to the playlist. You can stream his show on demand. He actually played 2 by Bent on this show. Both new I think. www.kcrw.com/playlists/playlists?host=Raul%20Campos&channel=Simulcast&date=2020/09/27
Interesting subject. I don't have any and really never had any interest in buying any. I could hear the quality difference between the audience and FM broadcast, but I do enjoy the regular LIVE recordings.
Thanks for watching and I figure there will be many people that feel that way. At this point, I have no more interest in buying anymore. I would rather get them for free of the net.
My story with bootlegs began with an huge disappointment.1993! I was 10 years old and my album collection was made up of two cassettes of "Téléphone", two cassettes copy of "The Beatles 62-66/66-70" and two 4 tracks 7" EPs of The Beatles.I was barely 10 years old and reading on the cover "20 HITS BEATLES"...well, I was not ready to hear an AUD, selection of 20 tracks recorded in Hamburg at the end of 1962 on a Philips RK 14 tape recorder. I have since bought three or four LP bootlegs but only because they were ultra cheap. These days, the digital transfer seems to have saved a lot of recordings from a full sound disaster result. Great video (and editing), it's nice to learn a lot again. hope everything is ok. Take care Monsieur BarakaPDub! *ERRATUM 09.23.20 : In fact after checking, I have five Beatles, two Bowie, one Rolling Stones. Haha.*
At 10 years old, I would be really bummed! In fact I would be scarred for life and want to avoid bootlegs altogether if I had an experience like that! Thankfully, the mastering tools can help glean out some of the better qualities but in some cases, the recordings are down right nasty and nothing can be done. There is a infamous Zeppelin bootleg where a few of the tracks were recorded in the venue bathroom. I mean, seriously?!? Why bother. Things are crazy with working from home and having to deal with kid care as well but I am glad I managed to find a little time to do this project. I hope you are doing well?
@@BarakaPDub Four LPs and two CDs since February... no, it could be better! But it will get better in the end, I'm too dreamy not to believe in it any more. To be continued haha.
Fascinating vid, Paul. Great information. I’ve got a few books to find and order now! I’ve personally only really bought bootlegs of albums that cost way too much for an og pressing, and they actually sound pretty good. I’ve also got some that just sound awful. I often wonder why certain bootlegs on Discogs seem to fall through the cracks, but others don’t, as they’re “not allowed” on the site. eBay is obviously full of bootlegs and is where I’ve picked up some of mine. On top of that, I’ve seen a bunch of em go way up in price close to what an og pressing would cost anyway.
Thanks Nick. You're actually hitting on one facet I didn't mention which is pirates or copy's of legitimate material. With the pirates, there are some loopholes in European Copyright law that allows for this. I don't know the specifics but they find their way back here and they can be found in Half Price Books and Barnes & Noble as imports. It's really quite bizarre. Thanks for watching.
It’s funny you mention loopholes in European copyright laws re pirated copies of certain official releases. I wasn’t aware of them, but it actually makes total sense when I think of two bootlegs I picked up; Tom Petty’s “Wildflowers” and The Black Crowes “By Your Side”. Original pressings of both albums go for upwards of $500. Both came from the same “label” in Europe too, shown by a telltale small circular hype sticker reading, “Limited Edition - Coloured Vinyl” (Spelled colour, not color). I ended up trying 3 different cartridges on the Petty LP, because a slight amount of noise was coming from the right channel. It sounded like any other vinyl with a bit of noise in one channel, which leads me to believe it possibly came from an analog source such as an original pressing to DMM? I’m certainly not sure, but very curious nonetheless. Besides that, both bootlegs sound terrific, especially the Crowes. A month later I found out “Wildflowers” is FINALLY being reissued as AAA vinyl too. I apologize for the extended comment with bonus material housed in a tip on gatefold jacket, btw. Haha
www.ebay.com/itm/114398849099 (I think I payed around $25, but certainly not $80+ for it!) It did come in poly lined sleeves and has a barcode, which just adds to the confusion/mystery.
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Hi Paul - interesting video about bootlegs. I have nothing against finding bootlegs, other than they're normally very expensiv and you don't know at all what you're getting in quality. But if it is a good price it can be really fun to have. I have part 2 of my 1980-chart to do, but after that i might do a respons to you. Take care! :)
Hello Joergen. Yeah, the vinyl ones are just too expensive for my taste too! Some of the ones I featured in the video that were pictured go for three figure sums and that's more than I care to spend at this point in my life. If you do a response please let me know. I would love to see it.
The first bootlegs i heard through the internet was some live Nirvana bootlegs in 2001. As far as audio bootlegs i enjoy SBD, MATRIX and well recorded AUD stuff. I have some of my audio bootlegs on CDRs in mp3 format. I do have very few bootlegs on CD and none on record. Video bootlegs i have on DVD-R. Like you i download or stream bootlegs its easier and free. I've heard there are several hundred Zeppelin bootlegs in circulation now. I'll record a video showing my entire bootleg collection on my other channel. I'll let you know when i upload it.
Thanks Josh! I would love to se what you have. I started out in the CD era too and was purchasing CD's before the advent of the mp3. I had a few lined up to feature in this video but cut them out so the video wouldn't run too long.
That was great, thanks Paul. I don't know anything about boots. In fact, I don't even like live albums unless the SQ is great. I get it, just not my thing. Funny, I was digging at one of my locals a few weeks ago and there were two or three Hendrix TMOQs and I didn't know what they were. Almost took a flyer on them but passed. Informative vid.
Thanks Joe for watching and I get where you're coming from. In most cases, I would take the official live release. There are some cases were some magic was caught on a bootleg tape. For example, Led Zeppelin professionally recorded one of their first live sets during 1973 in a small UK club which was leaked. The performance was electrifying and was way better than the release of the Song Remains The Same which was recorded in the same year. But I will concede, you really have to be in the know to separate the wheat from the chafe.
Man I really enjoyed that 👍🤘that Jimi Hendrix is badass all the way around! I don't usually care for bootlegs.i used to when I was a kid, but got burned too many times.i do remember Kids The Stone and I thought their stuff was usually good.but I wound up paying exorbitant prices for things that sounded like they were recorded from 50 miles away with a blanket over the mic...and there's always the over zealous fan in the audience screaming:"SET THE CONTROLS FOR THE HEART OF THE SUN!!!!!" etc😁😢 I've noticed they've been upping their game lately with the quality of the covers and things included.the vinyl looks great too, I'm not willing to take a chance without hearing them first though🤘👍
I am with you on that sentiment! Especially, with the prices you pay on these things. I would rather have something that's on par with a Studio recording. During the CD heyday, I got burned myself buying a few that were twice the price of a normal CD.
PRINCE was the most bootlegged artist of the music industry. I didn't even know Prince bootlegs even existed until I found a place that used to exist called collector's world that was active over 30 YEARS AGO & they charged an arm and a leg for mediocre recordings and some vendors are STILL doing it at record shows.
Prince definitely does have a lot of bootlegs out there. Hopefully, we'll see more legitimate stuff coming from the vault in the months and years to come.
I’m traveling in Germany and saw two trade mark of quality zeppelin bootlegs, each for 50 euro. Price seems good. But these were issued in 1990. Any point in buying vinyl bootlegs from the CD era? Wouldn’t they just be digital?
I think I would go in with that assumption, with everything being digitally sourced. None of these labels are going to state what their source material is. Another thing, even if it is analog, you don't know what generation of the tape that was used. That said, if it sounds good and you like it, why not? In this digital age, it's going to have to be something very extraordinary for me to spend money on it when a lot of the stuff you can get for free.
I don't have any bootlegs (I don't think)! From what I hear is bootlegs don't have near the quality professional releases do! On one hand I like to have as much music on vinyl LP of the artists I love even if there boots! But on the other hand , it hurts music and artist and that's not good! BTW, nice to see you again, Paul!
Thank you sir! Yes. I recommend trying to sample online as much as possible before you buy but even still, with vinyl, you're not entirely sure what the sourcing is so it's a risk. With the Scandinavia bootleg, I could sample it beforehand so I knew what I was getting.
Thanks Paul. Really enjoyed this. I have at least one album from each of the major bootleggers you mentioned, including that Yardbirds - Golden Eggs. I don't have many mostly due to price, but I like the aspect of getting rarely recorded songs or different versions from the studio recordings. I like your approach of downloading the bootlegs, whenever possible. A site I enjoy is tela.sugarmegs.org. They have great variety of over 100K recordings, but the drawback is everything is in one file, so you have to divide it into individual songs yourself, if you chose. If you are Dixieland Farms you probably already have a Linux script to auto separate tracks. - Chris
Thanks Chris. I didn't know about the tela site at all and I am going to have to check it out. I don't mind separating the tracks out and tagging them with meta data at all. I also hear you on the expense. It's crazy what some of these things go for. The Rubber Dubber titles, even in bad shape, seem to easily go for three figures in a lot of cases.
Is bootlegging any different than ripping CDs and sharing them online illegally? Not from the rights-holder's POV - I think we need more discussion of the ethics and legality of this whole thing. Great intro vid - I collect CDRs of bands that gave permission to record - mostly jazz.
Ethically, yes, it's not right and many bands fight the hell out of it but others seem to embrace it. Pearl Jam, Metallica, etc. have gotten wise and are issuing their own bootlegs which I think is a good thing.
I think if you are a purist band fanatic you are going to try to collect everything by that favorite artist, no matter the quality. Personally, I find most bootlegs to be of low quality so I generally steer away from them. Same goes for official live albums. Don't get me wrong - I have about 18" of live albums, but most have been from the dollar bins of olden days and near mint or VG+ from Goodwill or other thrift stores or yard sales. And of those I have purchased over the years, I have listened to them and then passed them on with few exceptions. for example, I have quite a few live at Fillmore or Winterland official albums that are very good to high quality that I keep because Bill Graham insisted on good recorders and sound engineers at most those live shows. There are some that really suck but those are mostly due to the band playing lousy that night or they suck live. All that said, I probably only have two bootlegs. One is a Quicksilver show that was given to me on clear vinyl - not that good quality but an interesting version of "Who Do You Love" compared to the "Happy Trails" album (Fillmore). The other is a Japanese unofficial copy of Pink Floyd's "Meddle" which is very good quality. Thanks for the video on this subject - as usual it is highly enlightening.
Thanks Ole Rocker. You're right about Bill Graham and supposedly, that's why a couple of the Zeppelin shows were likely recorded so well. I have several other boots from other bands recorded there and they were really quite good. There are a bunch of bad audience recordings out there that are really only for purist. I think I have all of Zeppelin's stuff via download but most of the audience stuff, I probably won't return too because of the awful quality.
Hey Paul, nice vid. I did have few bootlegs back in the days ; a Zeppelin, a Purple, a Yes. The Yes sounded the best but the Zep was on par with your Filmore West experience. I do have a picture disc of the soundtrack for the film Forbidden Planet (one of my all time favourites) by a company named Moviola (here's link : www.discogs.com/fr/Louis-and-Bebe-Barron-The-Forbidden-Planet/release/11927741), and though I bought it at a "normal" record store I am pretty sure that this in not an official release : the artwork is derived from Waner Home Entertainment. The disc itself is how a PD is supposed to sound. But the recording is good so I don't know where it is sourced from. But here's is the cacth for me regarding these bootlegs ; sometimes they sound very raw with an emphase on bass and drums like the amps and mikes were tapped directly to the recorder (not a bootleg but here's an exemple of EVH direct through the tape : th-cam.com/video/Dl-Y3nx4xsw/w-d-xo.html) and I love that sound. Peace- Patrick
Hello Patrick! That picture disc is pretty cool for what it is and I would probably display that one. Wow! I haven't heard that VH material before but your right on it being drum and bass heavy. It makes me wonder if it's the microphones they used at the time. I love early VH material and I wonder if that one has ever been dropped on a Bootleg before. I have a CD bootleg of them playing before the first album broke big.
I am pretty sure that the guitar/pedals was tapped directly to the tape recorder and then to the amp (like the players were doing at the time to create a delay). I’ve asked a friend who has a recording studio and he thinks alike. The riff at the begining is pure VH and I don’t that it ever made it to a full song.
I am going to have to check that one out. Is it punk related? I know the Cramps have a bunch of good bootlegs out there. I have one good show that I downloaded from Dimeadozen about a decade back.
BarakaPDub I shot the video in Bakersfield but don’t have internet. I’m going back to LA on Monday so I’ll upload it then. The bootlegs are A Misfits, Guaze and a NY Dolls related release.
Listen to any TAKRL bootleg of your favorite band. I dare you. Pipe Dream (Hendrix) Bedspring Symphony (Rolling Stones with Mick Taylor) ...would lead the list. I DARE you.
pièce de résistance: Nuff said... I could go on about all the fine details of this... but I think you are self-aware of what you created. *Standing Ovation
I lucked out with this Tropical Storm/Hurricane that's moving in. With it raining all day, I had plenty of time to craft something without getting bogged down with house chores. Thanks for watching, as always my friend.
@@BarakaPDub Thank you for the free entertainment and education! I was just thinking about you the other day when I was recreating a cover for my Miles Davis In A Silent Way lonely boy... your gifts still give me joy all the time! You spoil me in so many ways...
@@BarakaPDub Nope! It did not turn out well...There were a few I was not happy with the results on that I decided I was going to redo and show once I get a printer that can print more than 12" wide. Some times printing the 4 separate pieces and "puzzling" them together looks OK.. sometimes it don't... So at this point Miles has a new blank sleeve.. and I wait... I really need a wide printer... It would help me make so many covers! I decided to hold off on more LP reproductions until I can afford it... probably the next stimulus check or tax return time...
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Please check out Norman 'Mazzy' Maslov's response to this video!
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Mazzy's channel brought me here. Big fan of Mazzy and Bootlegs.
Thank you teckertime for stopping by and watching me blather a bit ;)
I'm the guy behind this bootleg vinyl blog below. From the first time I ever came across a bootleg album, I could see the benefits to all immediately & that hasn't changed to this day (now that we exchange recordings of our favorite bands via torrent files).
The benefits are:
- Making exciting recordings available to those, who wish to go further, as you mentioned. Seeing fans/consumers as a homogeneous group that is happy with the occasional live album, as it used to be, was always paying a disservice to the more dedicated fans.
- Bootlegs provided an archive of either a certain tour or unreleased recordings, especially when the artists or their record company did not record the performance themselves.
- As an artist, if you got bootlegged, that's a sign of success. And unless someone pirated an officially released release, the artist & rec. co. did not lose any money because of the bootleg. I had always hoped, rec. co. would have chosen to record the shows themselves and exert their own quality control and fight bootlegs that way but few bands did this and nobody I know in the 70's & 80's.
- And finally, in the past at least, it provided the bootlegger with an income.
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Love the website spinalcrackerbox and I didn't know that you were the man behind it! Wow! I feel honored as I have referenced your site numerous times. I agree with all your points and especially, the third one. I didn't cover pirated albums at all in this video but you're right, this is the only case where the artist lost money. Personally, I think the bootlegs helped the sales of the official releases to some degree. There are some bands that I delved into further by hearing their shows and I elected to grab their official studio releases after hearing them live.
Didn't realize you had a boot video, very cool! I recently jumped down the bootleg rabbit hole, have a pretty great collection of Zeppelin boots now. I always said I wouldn't due to the notoriously inconsistent sound quality but eventually the collectibility and historic value got the best of me. The story behind these recordings is just amazing, many of these legendary performances would have been lost in time if not for these dudes smuggling their equipment into concerts. Now we have modern technology to remaster and improve some of these classic recordings, with updated packaging as well. There have been many excellent titles being released in 2024 alone, expensive time for a hopeless boot collector!
Very nice point/counterpoint Paul. I guess I may be one of the only longtime boot collector who loves bad audience recordings. A great example is one that I am sure that you are familiar with. Led Zeppelin '1975 World Tour' boot on The Amazing Kornyfone Record Label . Or TARKL which I am sure that you also recognize. Anyways, it is an audience recording at the Montreal Forum on February 6th, 1975. It sounds like it was recorded from the second balcony inside one of the lucky Zeppelin fan's knapsack. Even though the recording is about a five out of ten there is a lot of magic going on. You can hear the taper's adding some funny lines and even promoting the recording for future sales. The band is playing amazing well considering Plant's voice which was still kind of raspy in the early stages. I think Montreal was fourteenth out of thirty seven shows. It was recordings like this that I really got off on as a early teen. I would lay back with my headphones on late at night and try to picture what it was like seeing my favorite band live. A bad audience recording was a lot better than a great soundboard any day of the week. I never really felt the magic of a Zeppelin live performance from listening to soundboards.
Anyways. You are a master at these kinds of videos. Your editing and your overall appreciation of bootlegs made for superb watch. One of my favorite VC videos of the week.
Way to go Paul~
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Thanks Rob for chiming in. There are a lot of great Zeppelin performances that are poor audience recordings. I am sure you have the 'Burn Like A Candle' show from California where 'Weekend' was recorded in the bathroom. That show was magical. There is also the Iceland show from '70. It makes me wonder if Page still has some stuff under lock and key. For example, the Jan. 22nd, 1973 show was professionally recorded and leaked as a bootleg. It's one my favorite shows due to the rare performance of 'How Many More Times.' Didn't you catch them on the '75 tour? I have the Montreal show but I haven't played it in a very long time. I may have to revisit it.
Thanks for watching and commenting as always Rob! You the backbone of the Vinyl Community.
For being both a huge fan of your channel and bootlegs, this was a treat! I got the bootleg bug from my dad, who is an avid collector. I was always downloading KISS shows and downloading artwork for cd and that was it. When I started to seriously collect, the first record I bought with my own money was a bootleg (Floyd 67-68 BBC sessions). I was adamant that I would only buy soundboard recordings and radio broadcasts. It was with time that I got to appreciate audience recordings and I went on board with the whole thing. Most of the boots I have are of KISS & Floyd. I do have several Zeppelin shows, one of them being the Fillmore one you showed and now I need to hunt down the Scandinavian show! Awesome stuff Paul!
Thank you sir and I just subbed your channel. I hope to watch your content when I can, time allowing. On Floyd and KISS, there is a lot of wonderful content out there for both bands. With Floyd, I have a bunch of their earliest performances before they broke big with DSTOM which I absolutely love. It's pretty cool that your father was into bootlegs as well. I started out buying them on cassette through ads in Goldmine magazine, back when it was coming out weekly and was the size of a Sunday evening newspaper.
Wow Paul, you really went above and beyond with the filming and editing here. Really enjoyed the topic too, good job!
Thanks Leon. We have a topic storm/hurricane that started to hit this afternoon so it left me with a bunch of free time on my hands so I thought I would craft a good video.
Great Video Paul !! The Hendrix clip sounded good .. Saw Zeppelin at The Fillmore East in '69 .. Violin bow and all ... Woody Herman opened !! Peace Brother .... Jimmy ...
Thanks Jimmy! Yeah, it was fun to hear Page when he got into his solo's. When it got to the '73 tours and beyond, the guy could solo for 20 minutes or more.
Back in 1984 i was in Greenwich village and visited one of many record stores located there. I picked up a double album purported to be a bootleg of Zeppelin's last concert in Berlin. However when i arrived back in the U.K i was dismayed to hear the sound quality which was appalling and obviously an AUD recording. I advertised the sale of the album in a music magazine and stated how bad the quality of the bootleg was. However i was inundated with offers and eventually settled on a sale that was almost triple the amount i had originally paid. I've never achieved such a mark up since..unsurprisingly. A most interesting video as always so many thanks again.
Thanks Barrie for commenting. That's too bad about the Berlin show being an audience version. That show was leaked as a Soundboard eventually and I thought it was their best of that tour! I am glad you made all your money back though. There are some diehards that will take even a bad audience recording. I used to be that way until I discovered I can find it all on the Internet.
How this video slipped past me on my feed is beyond me. Once again you knock it out of the park. To me the bootlegging market was always a gamble. I have gone to more downloading of shows (so thank for you the new resource sites, I will be checking those out). But I also don't have a problem buying some, if the price isn't too bad. Its that tactile cool factor of having something that isn't really readily available. I have a couple vinyl, but more are on cd. Most like I said are digital, and I used to spend time burning them to disc and making covers for them. That just seems like a waste now. But you have inspired me to make a video on this, so I hope to do that this week. As always take care Paul, I hope you and yours are well.
Hello Tim and no problem if my videos slip by you ;) There are so many people making videos now, it's just hard to keep up with everyone. I think our experiences are pretty much the same on Bootlegs and you sum it up quite nicely. Most of my boots were bought during the CD era. I had a few I did show in the original cut of this one but I took it out because I felt the video was way to long! If you do a video, I would love to see what you have.
Hey Paul! I didn't realize bootlegs originated THAT long ago! Yay, TMOQ! In the late 90s/early 00s I tried to record a few shows by taping a mini cassette recorder to my leg under my jeans. Well, it didn't turn out well at all. Ha! Fascinating history/rundown/your opinions. Jam packed full of great info! In college I downloaded so many Juliana Hatfield live shows, Local H, etc from Napster, Soulseek, etc. I'm totally guilty. Also I bought several Who CD bootlegs from a magazine that turned out to actually sound pretty well. Really enjoyed this video!
Thanks Hanna for watching ;) I too tried to bootleg a few shows on a couple of Mini-Disc players a long time ago. I had a couple of stealth mics wired into a hat and I stuffed the Mini-Disc players down my pants so I won't get flagged by security. That was pre-9/11 though. I think it would be harder to get that kind of gear through today but a cell phone sure. Napster...hell yeah. I used to do Napster. I did magazines too. My first ever bootlegs came from Goldmine magazine. There was a guy running an add for all of the Zeppelin shows he had which he would then copy them on cassette. It was kind of lame and the guy was easily making money but at the time, I was in bliss hearing new material.
By the way. I was stoked to see you holding a copy of the Scandinavia 69 boot. ~
Yes! I saw it pop up and I loved the impromptu performance of 'I Gotta Move' so I had to grab it.
great topicfor a video or video series, for me i happen to love bootlegs ,had some live metallica cassettes when i was younger that just blew my mind have a few zep and blondie vinyl bootlegs and recenty grabbed a few mazzy star cd bootlegs great stuff
Wow! I would love to find some good recordings from Mazzy Star. I never thought to seek their stuff out but I am betting they have some well recorded stuff out there. I am glad Metallica started to put out their shows officially and I wish more bands would wise up to that. Thanks for watching kurtzcol.
Great video Paul, very informative and lots of fun. Despite collecting records for 50 years I don’t have a single bootleg, after your video that may change. Hope to see you back here very soon.
Thanks Ron and I get the desire to steer clear of them. There is great material out there to be had with a lot of artist. The important thing is figuring out if what you're buying is quality or not.
Really great video, Paul. I've been a lifelong fan of bootlegs. They've often been my favorite way to hear stripped-down versions of songs by certain artists--especially during times like the '80s or '90s when producers were a bit overzealous in the studio. I started out with lots of vinyl stuff, but like you I switched to music files (about twenty years ago). I have one iPod with just bootlegs on it, and one with studio albums, depending on what listening mood i'm in. This episode was very inspirational, and I think I'll do my own episode on bootlegs. Thanks!
Thank you and please let me know if you do end up doing a video. I would love to see it nd would be happy to pin it or place as a reference in this one. I do agree with your comment on hearing the stripped down version of tracks. I am always delighted when things like that get leaked publicly.
@@BarakaPDub Thanks, Paul! Will keep you posted. Take care. -Hollis
@@BarakaPDub Hey Paul, just posted my Bootleg episode. Hope you enjoy it! I also pinned a link to your Bootleg video. Cheers! -Hollis
Thanks for the shout at the end.
I had to reference one of my favorite videos I had the pleasure of working on.
The Beatles "Unsurpassed Masters" and "Ultra Rare Trax" were mind-blowing when I bought the CDs in the 1990s. They are basically the template for the modern Beatles "Deluxe Editions" of the last few years.
You know I used to have the Ultra Rare Trax on CD but I don't know what I did with it. I loved that CD and I am glad a lot of the material surfaced. Makes you wonder if they'll ever do more extensive releases. They seem to be slowly bleeding out but they're milking that cash cow for all it's worth.
They sure are milking that poor cow to death. They’ll continuing beating the dead horse next. I picked up the 3 albums that Giles Martin did the stereo remixes for, but I only bought the deluxe version of the White Album. The Esher Demos are worth the price of admission alone, IMHO. Giles did a beautiful job with Sgt. Pepper and Abbey Road too. I’d love to see an AAA stereo box set like the mono one, but I think that ship may have already sailed. The mono box is truly a masterpiece.
Great video Paul. I have never dipped my toe in the boot swamp so I dont have anything to contribute with but awesome to see this. Learned alot.
I hope the information is useful. I picked up some of my earliest CD bootlegs in Uppsala around '96 or so visiting some family there. There is a lot of great material out there, even on the Jazz front which I really didn't get into in this video.
Sade is the only I’ve sought out a bootleg for & ironically I was going to mention that the background music sounds very Sade like. It sounds really good.
I love Sade but I don't have any of her bootlegs and I am betting there are some really good board or radio broadcasts of her shows. I've seen a few of her concerts posted on TH-cam and she's one I hope I can catch in person some day. thanks for taking the time to watch and comment.
Hey Paul, really enjoyed this video as it felt part way between a documentary exploding a few bootleg myths and a love letter to exactly those same myths and legends - the TMOQ's and TAKRL's and more. A lot of wonderful info really well presented, and you had me reflecting back to my first TAKRL Floyd boot in the 90s😄 a real delight to watch, cheers- Dean
So I have sworn off buying more bootlegs but if I ever saw a Floyd bootleg at a reasonable price on the TAKRL or TMOQ labels, I would definitely pick it up without hesitation. I've downloaded a lot of Floyd releases and I love their performances before they got big with DSOTM. Thanks so much for watching, as always, Dean!
Blöödy interesting video, Paul!
I don't mind bootlegs. If record companies don't release interesting stuff then what's the alternative?
I don't have many genuine bootlegs. I have some "half-blooded bootlegs" as I call them. They include like BBC sessions or something like that. Have you heard a label called SWINGING PIG? They released some really really good stuff around the early 90s. Thanks to their releases I got interested in Pink Floyd. My friend had 3 live albums by them and I recorded them. Lovely early stuff!
No need to have a bad conscience,
Jarkko/MyVinylBar
Hello Jarkko! Yes. I have a couple of Swinging Pig titles on CD that I picked up on a trip to Germany and they are BBC sets just as you describe. They were some of my earliest bootlegs too. For me, I really like getting the BBC broadcasts because the quality on them is quite good. Thanks for watching this one.
Boots are the best, especially for artists who routinely play songs in concert that never see a studio version. Nothing compares to having a physical copy though, and it's fun to chase the different labels/covers/colors for the early vinyl.
I agree completely! Collecting 'Jam' bands can be extremely fun. I am a sucker for finding these in the used bins and looking the variations. Thanks so much for watching and commenting Margaret.
Hello Paul good seeing your buddy just a great video professionally produced and a great topic that has not been covered very well. Paul, you have done an outstanding job, Congratulations.
Thanks Ron. I think I had way too much time on my hands today which has been a rarity. This tropic storm/hurricane is starting to soak us so I was stuck inside all day and that's not a bad thing.
Excellent video. Thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it!
I bought many in my teens and 20s (back in the 80s-90s). My preference was always tapes - either dubbed from someone or bought at a record show - sometimes these were just tapes, sometimes they were from a CD Import, sometimes a vinyl record. The few vinyl bootlegs I have always sounded terrible - the CD ones I had to go into NYC to get always sounded great. BUT TMOQ ones always sounded good. To me - there is no reason to do anything but download and pay zero now. I have pretty much stopped now - used to be the classics (Stones, Dylan, Beatles, Kinks, Pink Floyd, etc.) - I do collect the occasional radio broadcast and archive it - as a matter of fact, me doing this was one of the first YT videos I made.
After this experience, I am going back to pure downloading. I agree with paying zero. I too started out with dubbed tapes and I ordered some from Goldmine magazine when it used to be the size of a Sunday newspaper. I found an add for a bunch of classic rock ones and the guy was charging $5 for a dubbed cassette. I decided to try it out and loved what I heard at the time. Likely because I was hungry for something different. I am going to have to go back and watch that YT video of yours.
Great vid Paul. I once had about 25 Zep boots and 30 Stones boots. I have sold most, kept around 5 of them. Fun stuff, love the ones with good cover art. Love the Peter Grant bit at the end. Take care👍🎶
Thanks Dana. The Stones really have a lot of great bootlegs out there on the market and I had to cut it from this video but I went over bands like the Stones that have dedicated books on their bootlegs. If you have a dedicated book then it means your live shows must have been really good.
I have a few Cure bootlegs that are great.
The Cure has a lot of great stuff out there but everything I have has been downloaded. I would be curious to see some physical releases.
Hey Paul,
Great to see you back with another awesome video.
Bootlegs....ahh. ..well..I was really into getting them years back...but not physical copies. ..I'm a Downloader ...and to be clear. .I'm very strictly went after live shows...no bootlegged studio albums...or unreleased studio stuff...as a musician..I thought this was just wrong...but that's my opinion. I loved hunting down FM broadcasts or soundboard recordings. ..frankly I became so accustomed to good soundboard recordings that all audience recordings just sounded like a cement mixer to me.
My favorites were Yes live bootlegs. ..there is an absolutely brilliant bootleg from 1971 in Connecticut while on their tour for The Yes Album. The story is a gentleman walked up to the sound guy and asked if he could plug in his 2 track reel to reel during the concert. ..and surprisingly he agreed..and that gave us a beautiful sounding early performance of Yes.
Also the 1991 Union tour has excellent soundboard and FM broadcasts. I also look for Rush soundboards and Kiss.
Now some bands are getting wise to this and making excellent boxsets with whole tours worth of live recordings ..like King Crimson. ..and they also have a wonderful site where you can download whole shows from tours through out their whole carrer. So there is a wealth of great stuff out there if you know where to look.
Mark Anthony K
Projekt Gemineye
Good to hear from you Mark and things have been pretty busy for me which has impacted my video making ability. Yeah, if I had my preference, I am always going to take a Broadcast or Board tape over and audience recording. And your absolutely right about Yes! I think I have that very same Connecticut show and it's pure bliss. I am thankful that many bands are wising up to releasing some of the old tapes. Zeppelin had all of their '75, '77, and '80 tours recorded but all of the tapes were stolen from Jimmy Page's vaults and the person that stole the tapes is slowly leaking them out. It's unfortunate. Thanks for watching my friend.
@@BarakaPDub your welcome Paul. I really do enjoy these videos...by the way...I'm not sure if you are aware that I released an album on vinyl a few months ago. Here is the link in case you are interested in getting a copy.
projektgemineye.bandcamp.com/album/in-the-year-3073-book-i
Take care and be safe my friend.
Mark Anthony K
Projekt Gemineye
Love this Paul. I did an early boot-case video almost two years ago but I will soon a reply with my collection of only Dylan and the Beatles. Superb intro to the bootleg experience Nicely done ✌🏻
Thanks Mazzy! I just caught that you did your video. Thank you so much for doing that. I am going to have to pin it to this one for people to reference.
Back in 1994 I remember being allowed into the locked back room of a record store on Main St in Buffalo. Stacks of Italian bootleg CDs. Soundgarden, Pearl Jam, etc. I still have some of them. Great live shows.
I think Kiss The Stone was originally based in Italy and I loved finding their stuff because that had several CDs from each of the Grunge Bands. My local store, at the time, only had some 20 titles but when I found my first one, I wanted to jump deep into that rabbit hole.
BarakaPDub Soundgarden - The Garden Grows 2CD is on Cocomelos Records (Italy), Soundgarden - Eye is on Shinola (Germany), Soundgarden - Violently Happy is on Monada (Czech Republic), Pearl Jam - Self Pollution Radio is on that KTS label. A few from that locked back room.
Always great to see a new video from you, Paul. I only have a couple of bootlegs, the Piece de Resistance boot from Springsteen. It was a radio broadcast pressed to wax and the sound quality isn't that great. But its a 3 record set and it comes o a box and it looks all pretty, but it doesn't sound so hot. I actually went back and bought the c D version of that show off of Bruce's website and it sounds fantastic. Remastered and pristine.
I have an Elvis Costello boot called 50,000,000 Elvis Fans Can't be Wrong, which is half outtakes from his first album and half live performances of material from his first 2 albums. Again, sound quality isn't the best but its cool to have.
Hope you are doing well and staying safe, my friend. Be well.
Thanks Jeff. I lucked out with some spare time yesterday due to this tropical storm hitting us and I felt inspired. That's weird about the Springsteen boot. I wonder if the source material was four or five generations removed from the original broadcast tapes or if it was a bootlegger bootlegging another bootlegger. I encountered a bit of that when I was collecting bootleg CDs back in the 90's. Hope the plant is now properly staffed and you're not pulling double shifts anymore.
Excellent video, and thanks for the links.
Thanks Mike. I hope you find them useful.
Thanks for doing this Paul. I enjoy bootlegs and found this very informative. The novelty aspect of collecting bootlegs is part of it for
me. Take care. Andre’
I think if I run across any of the three labels I mentioned in the used bins, at a reasonable price, I probably wouldn't hesitate to pick them up. The Rubber Dubber's go for a lot of coin though. More than I care to spend.
Great video as always Paul! To me, bootlegs are an invaluable way to hear a band live. Often I find bands don't release enough live material (or any at all) and so we only have lkve albums from a specific period in their careers, eg Alice Cooper. Other times, the live recording they do release are overdubbed and doctored up in the studio. Thankfully bootlegs allow us to get a more authentic sound. The only bootleg I currently own is AC/DC Live In Bodton 1978, which is absolutely killer! It's a quite different setlist from If You Want Blood (which was the only official live album they made with Bon Scott) which makes it all the more valuable to me. If I could get them officially, I would! That's just my thoughts.
AC/DC had some great bootlegs with Bon and I have several shows from the '78 tour that I like better than If You Want Blood. I guess I like them for the same reason you stated. It's a more complete picture of what was happening, warts and all. Thanks so much for commenting Nick.
My bootleg experience revolved more around tape trading. I did a lot of it in the 80s and early 90s. I do own a few boots, but I could count them on one hand. Great video.
Tape trades or I guess a tape purchase is how I started. Remember when Goldmine magazine used to be dropped like a Sunday newspaper on a weekly basis? It was Goldmine where I found an add for a guy selling tapes. He had some Zeppelin recordings and I was curious. I think I paid him $15 for four shows. The guy must have made a killing. Thanks for watching Dave! I enjoyed your Mommyheads Interview and I had never heard of them before your video. I thought it was funny they had their rebirth in Scandinavia.
@@BarakaPDub have you had a chance to check out any Mommyheads music? Very curious as to what you think. I can never quite peg your taste!
I sampled them and I thought they were great! Again, thanks for doing the video because I wouldn't have known about them otherwise. It's a shame they didn't garner more attention here back in the day.
BTW - I am going to try and seek out a copy of Acorn.
There's a mostly inactive Pink Floyd boot site called pf roio (been around since the 90s) that used to have active files but is now a good database for what you might find elsewhere.
I think I have hit that site but it's been a very long time since I visited it. Early in my bootleg collecting, I used that site as a reference as Floyd was one of early targets.
This was such a fantastic video Paul. I have shied away from bootlegs for years because the quality is usually variable. In my younger days I would buy bootleg tapes from a market stall by bands I was into at the time, like Deep Purple or AC/DC. I do have a few including a copy of the excellent Crosby Stills Nash Young 'Wooden Nickel' and Crosby Nash Live in London but only because I found them in a charity shop. I don't collect in the same completist way that I used to, so bootlegs are off radar in the main. That being said- the Fleetwood Mac and Hendrix you showed got me intrigued. I have never considered listening to Mac live from this period and it has certainly peaked my interest. I looked into the Hendrix and man alive- that's a great gig! Those are two records it would be great to own.
You said that you don't want to buy bootlegs. Do you mean 'anymore'? now the internet has them all available? The jazz bootlegs you spoke of at the beginning- are these available at all? Are they mainly 40s, 50s recordings or are there any later ones of Coltrane etc?
Thanks, Alan
Alan thanks for watching and commenting. For Fleetwood Mac, there are a bunch of excellent radio broadcasts out there from '78 that I recommend over this show that sound fantastic. The Hendrix show is in high demand as a bootleg because the performance was one of his best. The whole bootlegged concert was put out on Hendrix's VEVO feed so that's saying something about the show. As for bootlegs, yes, I am hanging up my hat on buying anymore. With dimeadozen, I have picked up so many great shows, including a lot of great Jazz releases. There is a bunch of Davis stuff that gets put up frequently and many artist from the Hard Bop and Fusion era. It's worth setting up an account and hitting it weekly to see if there is anything good being dropped.
@@BarakaPDub Thanks, Paul. That's great. 👍
All I can say is WOW !! The few bootlegs I have were picked up without knowing. Very valuable information.
Thanks Richard! I thought this would make for a good topic after I got burned by this one recently about a month ago. I lucked out with all the rain we started to get here so I had plenty of time to string something together. Wish I could ship all this rain to California.
Hello. Great post. I am myself a zeppelin bootleg collector and own quite a few vinyl as well as CDs and Tapes that I started collecting 1980. But now I just grab what I want from the internet BUT if I come across a nice recording of a show then I am buying. But the price for Led Zeppelin bootlegs on vinyl had become so crazy. I can’t seeing paying out $500 for something that is on the net for free.
Most that I have spent was $350.
I’d show you pictures of some of my collection of vinyl but seems like I can’t post pictures here so …… idk
My thoughts match yours. I have a hard time justifying buying another bootleg unless it's something special. I am happy the '75 and '77 tour soundboard tapes are slowly being leaked out. When I hear a show, from the net, that is totally stellar, I am tempted to pay some money but like you, $500 is too much to pay for something you can get for free.
Had no idea they were a such thing as bootleg vinyl records, such a good informative video 😊 I’ve been saving live-streams of my favorite bands and keeping them for myself haha a modern bootleg
Saving live streams is definitely the modern form of bootlegs and the advent of the internet has really squashed the physical form of bootlegs. I think if it wasn't for vinyl resurgence, the physical form of bootlegs would be all but dead now. Thanks for watching Monica.
One of the most famous vinyl bootlegs was the Bob Dylan's Basemant Tapes, before became an official release in 1975 and again in 2014 for first time the complete sessions. By the way today Bob Dylan turns 80 years old!
Van Halen is my favorite band. So they are the band i chase Bootlegs for. I have at least 1 show on vinyl from all of the tours with David Lee Roth on the band initial run from '78-'84. I also have some boots of theirs that predate them signing with WB. I also have a few bootleg vinyl presses of some Sammy era stuff. In total though across all platforms, I have shows from all of the VH tours spanning their career.
I have several Van Halen boots on CD but only scored my first vinyl boot during the making of this video. I actually had it on order several weeks prior to filming but it didn't arrive here in time for the shoot. I saw a new live compilation being featured on Amazon featuring material from Dave and Sammy. I think it's coming out next month.
Really good analysis and info might try and find a rubber dubber myself cheers
Thanks Robert! If you can find a Rubber Dubber for cheap, then I would definitely grab it. Some of those go for serious coin, even in bad shape.
Outstanding video Paul!
The story of Mike Millard is legendary and tragic at the same time. If I could have a 2nd or 1st gen cassette or reel from that collection, that would be the crown jewel of my collection! I wasn't aware of the National project, thank you so much for sharing. I really enjoyed Mistaken for Strangers (unrelated to this but to The National). Oh and some credit goes to Nakamichi as well! I've seen a copy of that Coke-Hendrix at Rush-Mor records. It was out of my price range lol. I was able to download a huge pdf on Pink Floyd boots. That has helped me identify and avoid bad copies.
Mr. Grant would beat the brains out of people recording those shows lol
Nice touch with the time stamping. Does YT automatically add the topic to the timeline?
I only own a few bootleg records and I have an extensive mp3 catalog of Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd downloaded from various underground torrent and P2P sites. My favorite legal site was Wolfgang's Vault for listening to soundboard recordings from the Fillmore.
Favorites that I own: It was very important to me to obtain recordings of concerts I attended. I was very excited, after years of hunting, to get Pink Floyd live at Ohio Stadium 1994, Metallica at Buckeye Lake 1992 and Ozzfest '97 final set with audio during the riot that followed. These are poorly recorded from a non-nakamichi cassette deck but very, very special to have.
Cheers ~Corey
Hello Corey. Yeah, I was a slow comer to the time stamping but it's pretty damn easy. I don't know if you watch Kevin - The Basic Filmmaker but he does a nice run down of how to put it in and offers some suggestions on other things if you monetize. I don't monetize but I found it interesting to watch. th-cam.com/video/SDDAoBsYLJg/w-d-xo.html
I love Wolfgang's Vault and used to frequent it a lot. I totally forgot about that until I read you're comment. I hear you on the specialness. I think I would be happy to get any show I attended, even if the recording quality sucked! Jealous you got to see Floyd. I would have been happy to see them on the Division Bell tour.
Hi. I was conned a few times. The record sleeve looked great like a real live release. Put it on the turntable and it sounds like it was recorded in the cloakroom.
Hello Stephen. You definitely need to scope things out because many of the audience recordings are down right bad. I would really want to sample the goods before making a purchase.
Hey Paul I just posted some boots today many radio broadcasts but I like them. This is a great overview you have done here. Thanks-VK
Thank you sir, I am going to have to check that video out! If I had to spring for a bootleg again, I would focus on the radio broadcasts for sure. I just saw the full MTV Unplugged Pearl Jam show for sale on juno.co.uk which has me tempted.
Hey Paul, great subject and video!
I collected Zeppelin too, ordered the expensive CD stuff from Japan on labels like Tarantura, Cobla and Empress Valley. Got a few on wax too from Zeppelin (of course), Metallica, Opeth and a few others.
I agree on that there's a lot of shit out there too.
That Collage is great, but if you got the ears yours is great too, a great show.
Try the books on Zeppelin Live Tapes by Luis Rey.
SLAAAAAAYYYYER!
Hello Pieter. I actually featured a few CDs when I originally shot all of this yesterday but when I got to editing it, I felt it was way too long! Tarantura, Cobla, and Empress Valley are all great labels. And the Luis Rey book is a must for any Zeppelin collector. It makes me wonder though if he will do another version of the book since many of the '75 and '77 shows have been leaked since he did his last take on it. Do you get your CD's from Fisheads?
@@BarakaPDub Yes, from Fisheads and record conventions before the big hunt on bootlegs started (here in Europe anyway).
Rey issued a new version from his book for 2 years, I believe. But next month there's another 1975 show making his debut as a soundboard (shame there isn't more coming from the early years).
I sold all my original silvers a few years ago because one of the doggies needed an operation that costed a few bucks.
When there's something spectacular new stuff coming out, I download it but it doesn't tickle me as much as a few years before.
My favourite ever show was/is the audience recording of the Los Angeles 1972 show that Jimmy used the pro-recording of for How The West Was Won.
Hope to hear and see from you soon. All the best!
Sorry about your dog but I would likely do the same thing. I can't wait for the '75 Show release. I saw it from Fisheads the other day. The Los Angeles shows were all generally quite good so I can't wait to hear it. I just hate how slowly they're being leaked out.
Hi Paul. Fantastic video, succinct and informative with Professional production standards to boot (excuse the pun).
I like the pun Ben. The original take on this one went on a bit longer but I decided to pare it down to hit the highlights and not make it too boring. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Thanks for another very interesting video brother
Again, thank you for watching my 15 minute ramble.
Great video, Paul, I learned a lot and may grab a book or two as I find the historical aspect interesting. As for actual bootlegs I think I only have one, by Blondie. I can see how bootleg wax would have been desirable back in the pre-internet days before our lives became flooded with content. If you wanted more 'content' back then, a bootleg filled the bill.
As for the questionable ethics of bootlegs, I've never dwelled on it because it's never been my thing. I'm open to being okay with most bootlegs. Where the line gets crossed for me is counterfeits. Thanks for sharing, I might grab an 800- page book thanks to you... LOL
Cheers, Tom
The Heylin book is really a fun read because he did a lot of research for it and talked to all the guys running the early labels. I think I scored mine off of eBay for a whopping $10 and it's my second copy. I lent my first copy out and never had it returned.
Back in the 90's, before the internet really took off and CDRs were not big on the seen yet, it was the only way to get my fix for bands that would never really perform live again.
I agree with you about the counterfeits (or pirates). It's probably something I should have addressed in this video since a few others commented on it as well.
I love finding radio broadcasts. They can be hit and miss but it’s been far more hit for me. My favorite band is The Stones but they have many live albums, same for Springsteen. You can go on his site and get almost any show you want. How ever a band like Sabbath only had one live album in the 70’s Ozzy era and the band hated it so I buy up any radio broadcasts I can. I also do the same for AC/DC Bon Scott era.
It's sad that Sabbath didn't have more from the 70's. They're one band I wish they had a really good live album from their early years. AC/DC has a bit more but not much in the grand scheme of things. I do agree that radio broadcasts are a good place to start with Bootlegs.
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Thanks Bryan for watching!
I have a Chinese or Taiwanese copy of Lou Donaldson Everything I play is gonna be Funky I’m pretty sure it’s a bootleg I found it in a Goodwill years ago . I seeked out the original blue note from 1970 as I love the music the bootleg is in G to G - condition to be honest I knew Lou Donaldson but the pretty lady on the cover intrigued me keep up the great videos you do a great job educating the VC
Thank you for for checking this old one out. I occasionally come across those of Chinese or Taiwanese copies here locally. I don't know why so many pop up here, I think there might have be a few families that immigrated over.
I was not a huge fan of bootlegs until recently, just because most that I bought from the 70s and 80s sounded pretty bad. The bootlegs that have been coming out lately have been fantastic though. I have about a half doze ACDC boots, a few Alice In Chains, a few Maidens and a bunch of Priest boots and they sound amazing. The Metallica and Megadeth boots I've grabbed have been pretty rough, but I was able to sell them for what I paid. The best modern boot label has been Varner. I have not gotten a bad bootleg from them. Eventually I will do a video. It's hard right now because I have been reorganizing the lest couple of months so my music room is is extreme disarray. I hope that all is good Paul. Stay safe my friend.
Great to hear from you and thanks for watching this one! One of my earliest boots was of a Metallica show from '86 and it was pretty bad. I was pretty discouraged after listing too it but I am happy they are one of the few bands that have realized they can profit from releasing all their live stuff officially. I just wish more bands would get onboard with the concept. I haven't encountered Varner before and please let me know if you do a video! I would love to see some of the stuff you have.
The Fleetwood Mac bootleg is really cool! The cover of the Jimi Hendrix one was great too. I don't have any bootlegs but I would definitely like some Kiss and Van Halen. I know they are out there but I never see them. I've always worried about the sound quality so I will keep the labels you named in mind. I could tell a really big difference in the sound quality of the Led Zeppelin bootlegs you olayed. Wow! Great video. Take care.
Fleetwood Mac actually had some better bootlegs out there. They had some board or radio broadcast tapes leaked from this same year that are just phenomenal. There are some good Van Halen ones out there and I think I know of one that you might like which I have a spare copy of. I may have to send you one if you're interested since you're about the only person I know that loves VH as much as I do. Regardless, thanks for watching Melinda.
@@BarakaPDub what a sweet offer. I would always welcome something from Van Halen that sounds good. I never see good bootlegs in stores. If you are positive you can part with it, I will reach out to you in a private message on Instagram.
That band for me was/is the grateful dead! got some zeppelin too. loved the vid btw!
I am betting there is far more Dead out there than any other band by a long shot! Thanks for watching SM Jones.
You obviously know your bootleg info Paul. In the late 70s and early 80s nothi g was more exciting then getting a bootleg. It was so darn exciting, it was like having this wonderful illegal grail. Problem most sounded like crap. Now there is all kinds of this material pouring out of Europe especially Russia. I just picked up a VU bootleg, it was horrendous. I like bootlegs because it shows a band with all their warts but also gives you a feel for the audience. One Zep bootleg I have is sooo loud , the audience that is, that the music is hard to hear. Lately most bootlegs have been good. Obviously I lost a lot of them but I did save a few. There is a guy ( sounds mysterious) that I visit that has tons of Floyd and Zep bootlegs. Once in awhile he will sell me one. Great video and extremely interesting. Steve
Thanks Steve and it's cool you have your source that will deal on occasion ;) I still get a thrill when I see them in the 'Used Bins' but it's likely due to the nostalgia I feel when I was introduced to them via CDs in the early 90's. You're right about the crap! I have a bunch of terribly recorded Zeppelin bootlegs. Some I would seek out just because of the performance or for a given song but you have to tolerate a lot to really get any enjoyment out of them. Anymore, if I grab one of the internet, I am only going to keep it if it's quality. Dimeadozen gets a ton of shows daily and it was a great way of finding old Jazz recordings of the Blue Note, Columbia, and Verve greats from the 50's and 60's.
Great video as always Paul! On another matter, what are you initial thoughts on the new Bent track that just recently dropped? Like yourself, I have been a huge fan of the band since the beginning. Keep up the great content!
Hello Simon! Happy to hear from another Bent fan. I didn't know they dropped a track from the new album. I pre-ordered it from Rough Trade about a week ago and happened upon it by accident. I would love to know where the track is?
@@BarakaPDub I heard it on KCRW. I checked Spotify over the weekend and it was not posted. The track is called Friends with at least the album version and a remix.
Here is the link to the playlist. You can stream his show on demand. He actually played 2 by Bent on this show. Both new I think.
www.kcrw.com/playlists/playlists?host=Raul%20Campos&channel=Simulcast&date=2020/09/27
Interesting subject. I don't have any and really never had any interest in buying any. I could hear the quality difference between the audience and FM broadcast, but I do enjoy the regular LIVE recordings.
Thanks for watching and I figure there will be many people that feel that way. At this point, I have no more interest in buying anymore. I would rather get them for free of the net.
My story with bootlegs began with an huge disappointment.1993! I was 10 years old and my album collection was made up of two cassettes of "Téléphone", two cassettes copy of "The Beatles 62-66/66-70" and two 4 tracks 7" EPs of The Beatles.I was barely 10 years old and reading on the cover "20 HITS BEATLES"...well, I was not ready to hear an AUD, selection of 20 tracks recorded in Hamburg at the end of 1962 on a Philips RK 14 tape recorder. I have since bought three or four LP bootlegs but only because they were ultra cheap. These days, the digital transfer seems to have saved a lot of recordings from a full sound disaster result.
Great video (and editing), it's nice to learn a lot again. hope everything is ok. Take care Monsieur BarakaPDub!
*ERRATUM 09.23.20 : In fact after checking, I have five Beatles, two Bowie, one Rolling Stones. Haha.*
At 10 years old, I would be really bummed! In fact I would be scarred for life and want to avoid bootlegs altogether if I had an experience like that! Thankfully, the mastering tools can help glean out some of the better qualities but in some cases, the recordings are down right nasty and nothing can be done. There is a infamous Zeppelin bootleg where a few of the tracks were recorded in the venue bathroom. I mean, seriously?!? Why bother. Things are crazy with working from home and having to deal with kid care as well but I am glad I managed to find a little time to do this project. I hope you are doing well?
@@BarakaPDub Four LPs and two CDs since February... no, it could be better! But it will get better in the end, I'm too dreamy not to believe in it any more. To be continued haha.
Fascinating vid, Paul. Great information. I’ve got a few books to find and order now! I’ve personally only really bought bootlegs of albums that cost way too much for an og pressing, and they actually sound pretty good. I’ve also got some that just sound awful. I often wonder why certain bootlegs on Discogs seem to fall through the cracks, but others don’t, as they’re “not allowed” on the site. eBay is obviously full of bootlegs and is where I’ve picked up some of mine. On top of that, I’ve seen a bunch of em go way up in price close to what an og pressing would cost anyway.
Thanks Nick. You're actually hitting on one facet I didn't mention which is pirates or copy's of legitimate material. With the pirates, there are some loopholes in European Copyright law that allows for this. I don't know the specifics but they find their way back here and they can be found in Half Price Books and Barnes & Noble as imports. It's really quite bizarre. Thanks for watching.
It’s funny you mention loopholes in European copyright laws re pirated copies of certain official releases. I wasn’t aware of them, but it actually makes total sense when I think of two bootlegs I picked up; Tom Petty’s “Wildflowers” and The Black Crowes “By Your Side”. Original pressings of both albums go for upwards of $500. Both came from the same “label” in Europe too, shown by a telltale small circular hype sticker reading, “Limited Edition - Coloured Vinyl” (Spelled colour, not color). I ended up trying 3 different cartridges on the Petty LP, because a slight amount of noise was coming from the right channel. It sounded like any other vinyl with a bit of noise in one channel, which leads me to believe it possibly came from an analog source such as an original pressing to DMM? I’m certainly not sure, but very curious nonetheless. Besides that, both bootlegs sound terrific, especially the Crowes. A month later I found out “Wildflowers” is FINALLY being reissued as AAA vinyl too.
I apologize for the extended comment with bonus material housed in a tip on gatefold jacket, btw. Haha
www.ebay.com/itm/114398849099
(I think I payed around $25, but certainly not $80+ for it!) It did come in poly lined sleeves and has a barcode, which just adds to the confusion/mystery.
Hi Paul - interesting video about bootlegs. I have nothing against finding bootlegs, other than they're normally very expensiv and you don't know at all what you're getting in quality. But if it is a good price it can be really fun to have. I have part 2 of my 1980-chart to do, but after that i might do a respons to you. Take care! :)
Hello Joergen. Yeah, the vinyl ones are just too expensive for my taste too! Some of the ones I featured in the video that were pictured go for three figure sums and that's more than I care to spend at this point in my life. If you do a response please let me know. I would love to see it.
@@BarakaPDub A respons video is up! :)
HAH, for me, that band was (and is) The Doors.
Ha. The Doors have some of the better bootlegs out there. You know you're good when you're putting out your own official bootlegs.
sold all mine.
Hopefully, you got a decent amount for them.
The first bootlegs i heard through the internet was some live Nirvana bootlegs in 2001. As far as audio bootlegs i enjoy SBD, MATRIX and well recorded AUD stuff. I have some of my audio bootlegs on CDRs in mp3 format. I do have very few bootlegs on CD and none on record. Video bootlegs i have on DVD-R. Like you i download or stream bootlegs its easier and free. I've heard there are several hundred Zeppelin bootlegs in circulation now.
I'll record a video showing my entire bootleg collection on my other channel. I'll let you know when i upload it.
Thanks Josh! I would love to se what you have. I started out in the CD era too and was purchasing CD's before the advent of the mp3. I had a few lined up to feature in this video but cut them out so the video wouldn't run too long.
That was great, thanks Paul. I don't know anything about boots. In fact, I don't even like live albums unless the SQ is great. I get it, just not my thing. Funny, I was digging at one of my locals a few weeks ago and there were two or three Hendrix TMOQs and I didn't know what they were. Almost took a flyer on them but passed. Informative vid.
Thanks Joe for watching and I get where you're coming from. In most cases, I would take the official live release. There are some cases were some magic was caught on a bootleg tape. For example, Led Zeppelin professionally recorded one of their first live sets during 1973 in a small UK club which was leaked. The performance was electrifying and was way better than the release of the Song Remains The Same which was recorded in the same year. But I will concede, you really have to be in the know to separate the wheat from the chafe.
@@BarakaPDub Glad you're back. Always enjoy your vids.
Man I really enjoyed that 👍🤘that Jimi Hendrix is badass all the way around! I don't usually care for bootlegs.i used to when I was a kid, but got burned too many times.i do remember Kids The Stone and I thought their stuff was usually good.but I wound up paying exorbitant prices for things that sounded like they were recorded from 50 miles away with a blanket over the mic...and there's always the over zealous fan in the audience screaming:"SET THE CONTROLS FOR THE HEART OF THE SUN!!!!!" etc😁😢 I've noticed they've been upping their game lately with the quality of the covers and things included.the vinyl looks great too, I'm not willing to take a chance without hearing them first though🤘👍
I am with you on that sentiment! Especially, with the prices you pay on these things. I would rather have something that's on par with a Studio recording. During the CD heyday, I got burned myself buying a few that were twice the price of a normal CD.
PRINCE was the most bootlegged artist of the music industry. I didn't even know Prince bootlegs even existed until I found a place that used to exist called collector's world that was active over 30 YEARS AGO & they charged an arm and a leg for mediocre recordings and some vendors are STILL doing it at record shows.
Prince definitely does have a lot of bootlegs out there. Hopefully, we'll see more legitimate stuff coming from the vault in the months and years to come.
I collect Boris Rose bootlegs of Jazz artists.
Boris Rose was definitely one of the fathers of this whole thing. If it wasn't for him, so many historical recordings would be lost in time.
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Thanks!
I’m traveling in Germany and saw two trade mark of quality zeppelin bootlegs, each for 50 euro. Price seems good. But these were issued in 1990. Any point in buying vinyl bootlegs from the CD era? Wouldn’t they just be digital?
I think I would go in with that assumption, with everything being digitally sourced. None of these labels are going to state what their source material is. Another thing, even if it is analog, you don't know what generation of the tape that was used. That said, if it sounds good and you like it, why not? In this digital age, it's going to have to be something very extraordinary for me to spend money on it when a lot of the stuff you can get for free.
See Pop Culture Graveyard's response here:
th-cam.com/video/LDI-14W3WHM/w-d-xo.html
I don't have any bootlegs (I don't think)! From what I hear is bootlegs don't have near the quality professional releases do! On one hand I like to have as much music on vinyl LP of the artists I love even if there boots! But on the other hand , it hurts music and artist and that's not good! BTW, nice to see you again, Paul!
Thank you sir! Yes. I recommend trying to sample online as much as possible before you buy but even still, with vinyl, you're not entirely sure what the sourcing is so it's a risk. With the Scandinavia bootleg, I could sample it beforehand so I knew what I was getting.
Thanks Paul. Really enjoyed this. I have at least one album from each of the major bootleggers you mentioned, including that Yardbirds - Golden Eggs. I don't have many mostly due to price, but I like the aspect of getting rarely recorded songs or different versions from the studio recordings. I like your approach of downloading the bootlegs, whenever possible. A site I enjoy is tela.sugarmegs.org. They have great variety of over 100K recordings, but the drawback is everything is in one file, so you have to divide it into individual songs yourself, if you chose. If you are Dixieland Farms you probably already have a Linux script to auto separate tracks. - Chris
Thanks Chris. I didn't know about the tela site at all and I am going to have to check it out. I don't mind separating the tracks out and tagging them with meta data at all. I also hear you on the expense. It's crazy what some of these things go for. The Rubber Dubber titles, even in bad shape, seem to easily go for three figures in a lot of cases.
Oh, and I noticed your background is plain gray - kind of like a bootleg wrapper, perhaps?
Yeah...I wanted to switch things up a little from the standard local.
Is bootlegging any different than ripping CDs and sharing them online illegally? Not from the rights-holder's POV - I think we need more discussion of the ethics and legality of this whole thing. Great intro vid - I collect CDRs of bands that gave permission to record - mostly jazz.
Ethically, yes, it's not right and many bands fight the hell out of it but others seem to embrace it. Pearl Jam, Metallica, etc. have gotten wise and are issuing their own bootlegs which I think is a good thing.
BarakaPDub and... check the vid on YT of neil young walking into a record store and yanking out all his bootlegs.
I think if you are a purist band fanatic you are going to try to collect everything by that favorite artist, no matter the quality. Personally, I find most bootlegs to be of low quality so I generally steer away from them. Same goes for official live albums. Don't get me wrong - I have about 18" of live albums, but most have been from the dollar bins of olden days and near mint or VG+ from Goodwill or other thrift stores or yard sales. And of those I have purchased over the years, I have listened to them and then passed them on with few exceptions. for example, I have quite a few live at Fillmore or Winterland official albums that are very good to high quality that I keep because Bill Graham insisted on good recorders and sound engineers at most those live shows. There are some that really suck but those are mostly due to the band playing lousy that night or they suck live.
All that said, I probably only have two bootlegs. One is a Quicksilver show that was given to me on clear vinyl - not that good quality but an interesting version of "Who Do You Love" compared to the "Happy Trails" album (Fillmore). The other is a Japanese unofficial copy of Pink Floyd's "Meddle" which is very good quality.
Thanks for the video on this subject - as usual it is highly enlightening.
Thanks Ole Rocker. You're right about Bill Graham and supposedly, that's why a couple of the Zeppelin shows were likely recorded so well. I have several other boots from other bands recorded there and they were really quite good. There are a bunch of bad audience recordings out there that are really only for purist. I think I have all of Zeppelin's stuff via download but most of the audience stuff, I probably won't return too because of the awful quality.
Hey Paul, nice vid. I did have few bootlegs back in the days ; a Zeppelin, a Purple, a Yes. The Yes sounded the best but the Zep was on par with your Filmore West experience. I do have a picture disc of the soundtrack for the film Forbidden Planet (one of my all time favourites) by a company named Moviola (here's link : www.discogs.com/fr/Louis-and-Bebe-Barron-The-Forbidden-Planet/release/11927741), and though I bought it at a "normal" record store I am pretty sure that this in not an official release : the artwork is derived from Waner Home Entertainment. The disc itself is how a PD is supposed to sound. But the recording is good so I don't know where it is sourced from. But here's is the cacth for me regarding these bootlegs ; sometimes they sound very raw with an emphase on bass and drums like the amps and mikes were tapped directly to the recorder (not a bootleg but here's an exemple of EVH direct through the tape : th-cam.com/video/Dl-Y3nx4xsw/w-d-xo.html) and I love that sound. Peace- Patrick
Hello Patrick! That picture disc is pretty cool for what it is and I would probably display that one. Wow! I haven't heard that VH material before but your right on it being drum and bass heavy. It makes me wonder if it's the microphones they used at the time. I love early VH material and I wonder if that one has ever been dropped on a Bootleg before. I have a CD bootleg of them playing before the first album broke big.
I am pretty sure that the guitar/pedals was tapped directly to the tape recorder and then to the amp (like the players were doing at the time to create a delay). I’ve asked a friend who has a recording studio and he thinks alike. The riff at the begining is pure VH and I don’t that it ever made it to a full song.
Your probably right on the routing to the tape recorder and I really dig that riff.
I just shot a vinyl finds video. Three of the records I picked up are unofficial releases. They are not live recordings though.
The Cramps are the band that I have the most bootlegs of.
I am going to have to check that one out. Is it punk related? I know the Cramps have a bunch of good bootlegs out there. I have one good show that I downloaded from Dimeadozen about a decade back.
BarakaPDub I shot the video in Bakersfield but don’t have internet. I’m going back to LA on Monday so I’ll upload it then. The bootlegs are A Misfits, Guaze and a NY Dolls related release.
Listen to any TAKRL bootleg of your favorite band. I dare you. Pipe Dream (Hendrix) Bedspring Symphony (Rolling Stones with Mick Taylor) ...would lead the list. I DARE you.
TAKRL is a great label. I really got into the label during the CD era.
pièce de résistance: Nuff said...
I could go on about all the fine details of this... but I think you are self-aware of what you created.
*Standing Ovation
I lucked out with this Tropical Storm/Hurricane that's moving in. With it raining all day, I had plenty of time to craft something without getting bogged down with house chores. Thanks for watching, as always my friend.
@@BarakaPDub Thank you for the free entertainment and education! I was just thinking about you the other day when I was recreating a cover for my Miles Davis In A Silent Way lonely boy... your gifts still give me joy all the time! You spoil me in so many ways...
Did you post the cover in a video? I would love to see it.
@@BarakaPDub Nope! It did not turn out well...There were a few I was not happy with the results on that I decided I was going to redo and show once I get a printer that can print more than 12" wide. Some times printing the 4 separate pieces and "puzzling" them together looks OK.. sometimes it don't... So at this point Miles has a new blank sleeve.. and I wait... I really need a wide printer... It would help me make so many covers! I decided to hold off on more LP reproductions until I can afford it... probably the next stimulus check or tax return time...