This is an excellent conversation. Dr Pandor has a unique experience and the right moral compass to guide future generations on how to lead struggles against injustices everywhere. Tayab Ali is an excellent interlocutor. He does great work in his own capacity. Two great people imparting great wisdom. Thank you!
What an inspiration! We must never forget in these dark times that the world still has leaders like this to guide us out of these horrors. Free Palestine 🇵🇸 Free all oppressed people 🌍❣️
1:06:44 her shock at Blair’s support for Iraq war, double standards and the hypocrisy of the west has been the same for so many and “correcting” our countries is a monumental task. In many ways, it all of us suffering the absence of justice and the consequences of humanities endless wars which (because of their inevitability) may have to be our painful, irrefutable teacher. Such a shame! And how ironic that descendants of a holocaust are doing far worse in their quest for security. The so called ‘security dilemma’ coupled with mankind’s imagined separation and superiority to Nature are still so prevalent and discounted as the main source for our intractable problems.
Words are not enough to convey my Love, Respect and Gratitude for Dr Nalide Pandor a True Legend who will never know the Extent, or the Ripple effects of her Work, her Passion and Sacrifice on Millions around the world... Especially on the Millions of Palestinians for Generations to come 💛
It's Deeply Disturbing & Beyond Belief that in the 21st Century 194 Nations, The UN, the World Courts & institutions are Inept to STOP a Genocide. One tiny pinprick on the Map of the World, Yet No-One can Stop its Evil. The Excuse ... isreal has the backing of the US, is a Weak Excuse bcs the US is also Held Hostage by zionism. If Nations stand together, if ALL Nations Apply SANCTIONS NOW, EXPEL ALL isreali Diplomats and Trade missions NOW, close their Air space to isreal Now and Stand Up to the US, they will also RESCUE it from the clutches of isreal's Evil. Justice MUST prevail.
Fascinating, Real Warriors.Staunch opponent of Injustice in all its Heinous shapes or forms.Great Ethics.Just Humane and Sincere.Very rare leader who struggles to rid the world of its Evils,Evils perpetrated by such as the Zionists at the present time,but once the repugnant and obscene Apartheid system in South Africa. This is a Model to the planet Earth to follow,not people like Netanyahu,Biden,Trump,Starmer etc etc. The best to you Dr Pandor because you feel the pains of others and you fight for their liberation from the Zionistic Oppression of the Israel Regime.
Dr Naledi Pandor has such a way of articulating herself that it makes people want to listen to hear for hours and her words resonate with compassion , insight and lived experiences.
Thank you for this. Palestine has the right to be free from colonial occupation and oppression. They have the right to defend themselves and free themselves!
@@cliffardgerber3830Freedom is subjective. Palestinians are free as they now are able to enlighten the world about the brutal, evil, G’cidal entity that has occupied and besieged then for decades. Oct 7 was the catalyst that opened the eyes of the world to truth that was hidden in plain sight for so long.
Good luck Dr. Pander. 🍀 South Africa 🇿🇦 You and your organization are doing amazing work for all of us People of the World 🌎 FREEDOM 🕊️and ⚖️ JUSTICE for PALESTINE 🇵🇸
Our amazing leaders have moral rectitude and humility. So proud to be South African ... a privelege we own from our history and ethics. And incredible South Africans like Mme Thandi❤
Free free Palestine, Gaza Lebanon from Israel INHUMANE ATROCITIES.The Genocide and Ethnic cleansing has to end NOW 🤲🤲🤲🤲 Thanks Lady Pandor.You are so right.Wonderfulvand enlightening conversation presentation 🤗🤲🤲🤲🤲
It’s people like Dr Pandor who will be remembered with pride by her coming generations whereas the progeny of likes of Biden and Natenyahu and the Western Leaders will always be tarnished with shame
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@@shamim1587 so you also support war criminals like she did
The dr is agreat, a rear source of commody not only to africa but to the entire glob, very compassionate and mindfull of the well being of the oppressed poor groups a crosse the world, dr be blessed in your leadership,
And indeed the Drafting began all over the country in all the Provinces in all the Townships the voice of the people were recorded on paper to compile a "Charter"...
Good, interesting talk. Where she emphasises that you have to be very careful to protect civilians during any armed struggle, she seems to be implying the resistance shouldn’t have taken the action they did. That’s true about protecting civilians as much as you can, obviously. But they were trapped in that tiny, densely-populated, sealed-in space, up against one of the mightiest militaries in the world (with unlimited weapons provided by the world’s biggest superpower) - as about as asymmetric as it gets. Their options were limited. And they were being slowly more and more stifled and marginalised over time, with more and more land stolen from their people. I can see they felt they needed to do something big, to smash the paradigm of the oppression and marginalisation. Peaceful protests and firing the odd rocket, most of which were shot down, weren’t achieving anything. It could be that they miscalculated the sheer level of Isr*eli violence, destructiveness and barbarism to come, even though they knew the response would be huge and disproportionate (as it always is with Isr*el). But the horrific extent of the cruelty, malice, collective punishment and violence, which has been off the scale (some say greater than ever known in human history) - even by Isr*el's usual savage standards - may have been underestimated. But it's Isr*ael (and its western backers) that is entirely responsible for its response, and the fact that they're happy to break every international law there is, without any accountability. Their endless lawlessness and targeting of civilians makes them terr*rists. It’s a conundrum to know what would work when faced with such military might, state of siege and the opposition’s complete dehumanisation and disregard for them as people, and the fact that it’s clear they’ve always wanted the Palestinian people to be erased from the land. See the film No Other Land (among a number of others) if there’s any doubt about that.
Asange, a victim of truth telling; dark times ahead when those who dare resist evil are persecuted. Yet the heart,mind and souls that seek shelter under Almighty God will have God protection for all eternity.
01:15:30 Her Honour, Joan Donoghue, conflated the two aspects of the case: 1) Had South Africa exhausted all non-judicial means to diplomatically resolve the case before going to trial. 2) Was the case against Israel plausible, prima facie, and the trial for genocide should proceed. In the actual case she seemed to deliver a verdict supporting 2), but in the Hardtalk interview, she maintained that the "plausible" finding only applied to 1). Not plausible, if you ask me, something got to her, maybe old age.
Further to my comments below even the expressions “global north and global south” need to be eradicated from the public mind. Call countries and people by their true name. Instead of engraving further the notions of “them” and “us” in the public mind. Even the judges of all courts including the ICJ and the ICC are not immune from the psychological influence of words and style of language used in these TH-cam and other discussions.
No one will understand 😢 Mandela died and they replaced him. But Anc have no understanding 😕 😢 if you remind everyone everyday the whites stolen the land . You wish them to treat SA ....never will happen
Struggle, must go on until world is free,only i don't agree with her on people marching and speaking to enlighten others of different perspectives., persuasion and behaviour, religious beliefs. Apriciate people before we achieved all thus.
@@cliffardgerber3830 Some people hold that opinion regarding Ian Smith's Southern Rhodesia. The white colonists built schools; they were paying to educate young Black people as best they could, the vast majority of the Black population was tribal and living in grass huts. It also comes up by at least one author in the law journals that Smith was tricked into declaring UDI because the UK wanted to throw the colony to the communists. I had seen a video suggesting that white missionaries recruited Black people and sent them south to cause trouble for the Whites. History shows that the White Dutch Boers pioneered within a vast area not occupied by Blacks. Anyway, I'm wondering who invaded who and how the long-term "apartheid" scenario resulted.
@crazyforcanada holy hell. The Boers trekked from Cape Town which had an indigenous Khoi/San population towards the interior of the country where they fought with the Bantu tribes that they came across. They write about it in the very many journals and historical texts from that time. Also there are the archeological finds of Mapungubwe and Great Zimbabwe which are settlements that have stone walls, and date back to between 900 AD and 1200AD. The Dutch settlers arrived in the Cape in the 1652.
Is "white Africa" not an oxymoron? You know you can recite your phony history alll you like but nobody will take you seriously. Now, go get a life, hate is self-inflected torture.
Ignoring the fact is like believing your own lies. The difference between native America and Israel is actually, one is the owner occupied and other is colonizer by definition. You go figure
Brave and Brilliant Dr. Pander. 👏. Thank you
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This is an excellent conversation. Dr Pandor has a unique experience and the right moral compass to guide future generations on how to lead struggles against injustices everywhere. Tayab Ali is an excellent interlocutor. He does great work in his own capacity. Two great people imparting great wisdom. Thank you!
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 what a joke
^^^ M ad 😂😂😂😂
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@leilaoksanen5142 how do you support some one that assist war criminals ??.
@@mohammedsaid58 how do you support people that support war criminals ??
What an inspiration! We must never forget in these dark times that the world still has leaders like this to guide us out of these horrors. Free Palestine 🇵🇸 Free all oppressed people 🌍❣️
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@@sadiakhan3573 supporting war criminals wow ??
@@sadiakhan3573 so you are inspired by people that protect war criminals wow how human of you
I think I missed the part that Netanyahu, Gallant Ben Gvir, Smotrich and Daniela Weis, Biden and Blinken were mentioned.
*Weiss*
Thanks for helping me find this!
1:06:44 her shock at Blair’s support for Iraq war, double standards and the hypocrisy of the west has been the same for so many and “correcting” our countries is a monumental task. In many ways, it all of us suffering the absence of justice and the consequences of humanities endless wars which (because of their inevitability) may have to be our painful, irrefutable teacher. Such a shame! And how ironic that descendants of a holocaust are doing far worse in their quest for security. The so called ‘security dilemma’ coupled with mankind’s imagined separation and superiority to Nature are still so prevalent and discounted as the main source for our intractable problems.
Intelligent, and speaker of truth proud of our Dr Naledi Pandor
Proudly SOUTH AFRICAN
We love u Ma Naledi. Proud to be South African 🇿🇦
@@gabiba72 i am not she support war criminals
As you should be.
Dr. Pandor - The president we never had 🇿🇦
Malibongwe 🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦
We are proud of Madam Pandor❤❤❤
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Words are not enough to convey my Love, Respect and Gratitude for Dr Nalide Pandor a True Legend who will never know the Extent, or the Ripple effects of her Work, her Passion and Sacrifice on Millions around the world... Especially on the Millions of Palestinians for Generations to come 💛
It's Deeply Disturbing & Beyond Belief that in the 21st Century 194 Nations, The UN, the World Courts & institutions are Inept to STOP a Genocide. One tiny pinprick on the Map of the World, Yet No-One can Stop its Evil. The Excuse ... isreal has the backing of the US, is a Weak Excuse bcs the US is also Held Hostage by zionism. If Nations stand together, if ALL Nations Apply SANCTIONS NOW, EXPEL ALL isreali Diplomats and Trade missions NOW, close their Air space to isreal Now and Stand Up to the US, they will also RESCUE it from the clutches of isreal's Evil.
Justice MUST prevail.
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Fascinating, Real Warriors.Staunch opponent of Injustice in all its Heinous shapes or forms.Great Ethics.Just Humane and Sincere.Very rare leader who struggles to rid the world of its Evils,Evils perpetrated by such as the Zionists at the present time,but once the repugnant and obscene Apartheid system in South Africa.
This is a Model to the planet Earth to follow,not people like Netanyahu,Biden,Trump,Starmer etc etc.
The best to you Dr Pandor because you feel the pains of others and you fight for their liberation from the Zionistic Oppression of the Israel Regime.
Dr Naledi Pandor has such a way of articulating herself that it makes people want to listen to hear for hours and her words resonate with compassion , insight and lived experiences.
I enjoyed every single seconds of this interview!! Share this video people need to listen to this great woman. Thank you Dr.
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@@KZ.7160 supporting war criminals no i dont support her
Thank you for this. Palestine has the right to be free from colonial occupation and oppression. They have the right to defend themselves and free themselves!
Palestine was never a country. No king, no president, no currency, no NOTHING. Get it??? Tw@.
Not going too well with the free themselves part..😂😂
islam = colonialist oppressors since 7th century AD.
@@marytouafek6 so did syrians and she protected the war criminal that slaughter them
@@cliffardgerber3830Freedom is subjective. Palestinians are free as they now are able to enlighten the world about the brutal, evil, G’cidal entity that has occupied and besieged then for decades. Oct 7 was the catalyst that opened the eyes of the world to truth that was hidden in plain sight for so long.
Good luck Dr. Pander. 🍀 South Africa 🇿🇦
You and your organization are doing amazing work for all of us People of the World 🌎
FREEDOM 🕊️and ⚖️ JUSTICE for PALESTINE 🇵🇸
Where is palestine on a map. Never heard of such a country
@@cliffardgerber3830Say Free Pal estine 😎❤️❤️🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸 Cheers from Amsterdam😊
Thank you Naledi for all the effort u have put into so one day Palestine will be free! It will not be in vain! God bless!
Thank you, Dr. Pandor, SO very much!!! I need all the hope I can get in such a hopeless time.
She’s real and doesn’t sugarcoat anything.
Our amazing leaders have moral rectitude and humility. So proud to be South African ... a privelege we own from our history and ethics. And incredible South Africans like Mme Thandi❤
Thanks ❤
Free free Palestine, Gaza Lebanon from Israel INHUMANE ATROCITIES.The Genocide and Ethnic cleansing has to end NOW 🤲🤲🤲🤲
Thanks Lady Pandor.You are so right.Wonderfulvand enlightening conversation presentation 🤗🤲🤲🤲🤲
Why dont you go help and fight?
Dr Naledi! Good to see you.
Absolutely great to see and hear!! Great work which will set a great benchmark! 🌍
this is awesome
Good morning Dr Naledi 🎉🎉🎉
It's nice to hear from you again
Thank you
It’s people like Dr Pandor who will be remembered with pride by her coming generations whereas the progeny of likes of Biden and Natenyahu and the Western Leaders will always be tarnished with shame
@@shamim1587 so you also support war criminals like she did
Dr ...we love ❤ that you got it this right ✅ 👌 🙌 we are blessed that you make your voice known
Naledi shows the world...
Proud in my life time, to know of this woman, Pandor.
Worth listening to, such a respectable politician, a rare attribute for contempory politician.
Rise now
As Mandela and Malcolm X said: None of us are free unless Palestine is free.
Thank you Naledi Pandor & ICJP!
I really wanted this lovely lady to be our president. But I hope she enjoys her retirement. Free Palestine
Dr Pandor is very sincere human being. You are loved
The dr is agreat, a rear source of commody not only to africa but to the entire glob, very compassionate and mindfull of the well being of the oppressed poor groups a crosse the world, dr be blessed in your leadership,
26:00 Apartheid South Africa was unable to play the Holocaust card ("Shoaguilt") which allows Israel to commit any atrocity, including genocide.
Dr Pandor🎉🎉🎉
We loves u dearly auntie naledi and we fully supports u in each and every way❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
The last minute, the story of what her mum said to her was beautiful. I cried. Justice for Palestine.
What a wonderful conversation.. extremely joyful and beneficial
And indeed the Drafting began all over the country in all the Provinces in all the Townships the voice of the people were recorded on paper to compile a "Charter"...
Viva Naledi Viva
Good, interesting talk. Where she emphasises that you have to be very careful to protect civilians during any armed struggle, she seems to be implying the resistance shouldn’t have taken the action they did. That’s true about protecting civilians as much as you can, obviously. But they were trapped in that tiny, densely-populated, sealed-in space, up against one of the mightiest militaries in the world (with unlimited weapons provided by the world’s biggest superpower) - as about as asymmetric as it gets. Their options were limited. And they were being slowly more and more stifled and marginalised over time, with more and more land stolen from their people. I can see they felt they needed to do something big, to smash the paradigm of the oppression and marginalisation. Peaceful protests and firing the odd rocket, most of which were shot down, weren’t achieving anything.
It could be that they miscalculated the sheer level of Isr*eli violence, destructiveness and barbarism to come, even though they knew the response would be huge and disproportionate (as it always is with Isr*el). But the horrific extent of the cruelty, malice, collective punishment and violence, which has been off the scale (some say greater than ever known in human history) - even by Isr*el's usual savage standards - may have been underestimated. But it's Isr*ael (and its western backers) that is entirely responsible for its response, and the fact that they're happy to break every international law there is, without any accountability. Their endless lawlessness and targeting of civilians makes them terr*rists.
It’s a conundrum to know what would work when faced with such military might, state of siege and the opposition’s complete dehumanisation and disregard for them as people, and the fact that it’s clear they’ve always wanted the Palestinian people to be erased from the land. See the film No Other Land (among a number of others) if there’s any doubt about that.
Asange, a victim of truth telling; dark times ahead when those who dare resist evil are persecuted. Yet the heart,mind and souls that seek shelter under Almighty God will have God protection for all eternity.
thank you
Thank you to South Africa 🇿🇦 for standing with the oppressed and for justice: Palestine 1:01:10 🇵🇸 Western Sahara 1:01:45 🇪🇭 Soudan 🇸🇩 Congo 🇨🇩
@@Tahia213 she supported the syrian war criminal and we all know how many people died
Stop been gullible, and falling into the brainwashing and propaganda of NATO
ow shut up, western sahara is moroccan, has always been (except for when the spanish took it aay from Morocco) and will always be MOROCCAN !
Phenomenal conversation
well done, well said, this is what it looks like when people have morals, something certain people, who support certain countries, do not have.
Pandor Magnifica siempre
1:26:40 Beautiful powerful words on dignity and love our neighbor ❤ 1:27:33
all respect to you and to south Africa 🌹
Oh no she took her retirement. She is a legend 🎉
Can't admire her and what she represents more.. the world and humanity grateful to South Africa
Naledi Pandor, a great lady.
The quality of a politician is in the noble cause they espouse. Mme Naledi Pandor you are the epitome of such a politician
Excellent, your talk as a human being, your struggles, belief in civil society and ... very instructive🎉
Brilliant
my dream also here in usa THANK YOU MY DREAM I PRAY WILL COME TRUE YOU ARE TRUE INSPIRATION❤
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01:15:30 Her Honour, Joan Donoghue, conflated the two aspects of the case:
1) Had South Africa exhausted all non-judicial means to diplomatically resolve the case before going to trial.
2) Was the case against Israel plausible, prima facie, and the trial for genocide should proceed.
In the actual case
she seemed to deliver a verdict supporting 2), but in the Hardtalk interview, she maintained that the "plausible" finding only applied to 1).
Not plausible, if you ask me, something got to her, maybe old age.
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Mother of nations ❤❤❤ ⭐💪🤗 all Am proud to be African, 😭✍️💃
Further to my comments below even the expressions “global north and global south” need to be eradicated from the public mind. Call countries and people by their true name. Instead of engraving further the notions of “them” and “us” in the public mind. Even the judges of all courts including the ICJ and the ICC are not immune from the psychological influence of words and style of language used in these TH-cam and other discussions.
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The West never brings peace but distractions, Iraq freedom a project (War and Suffering). The West is always right side of history 😂
This is a person that supports the government of Iran, what does it say about the ANC and it's policy's in South Africa.
Check out the size of this guy, who looks like a typical politician.
Help the minors in South Africa.too don't let them starve to death they are trying to feed themselves and their families like everyone else.
No one will understand 😢 Mandela died and they replaced him. But Anc have no understanding 😕 😢 if you remind everyone everyday the whites stolen the land . You wish them to treat SA ....never will happen
Struggle, must go on until world is free,only i don't agree with her on people marching and speaking to enlighten others of different perspectives., persuasion and behaviour, religious beliefs. Apriciate people before we achieved all thus.
P A T H E T I C L O S E R S! 😂😂😂😂😂
Sar...pleese..😂😂😂😂😂
How did Blacks end up in White South Africa?
They are worse off now under her party rule 😂😂😂😂
@@cliffardgerber3830 Some people hold that opinion regarding Ian Smith's Southern Rhodesia. The white colonists built schools; they were paying to educate young Black people as best they could, the vast majority of the Black population was tribal and living in grass huts. It also comes up by at least one author in the law journals that Smith was tricked into declaring UDI because the UK wanted to throw the colony to the communists. I had seen a video suggesting that white missionaries recruited Black people and sent them south to cause trouble for the Whites. History shows that the White Dutch Boers pioneered within a vast area not occupied by Blacks. Anyway, I'm wondering who invaded who and how the long-term "apartheid" scenario resulted.
You just m a d😂😂😂 Cope br0
@crazyforcanada holy hell. The Boers trekked from Cape Town which had an indigenous Khoi/San population towards the interior of the country where they fought with the Bantu tribes that they came across. They write about it in the very many journals and historical texts from that time.
Also there are the archeological finds of Mapungubwe and Great Zimbabwe which are settlements that have stone walls, and date back to between 900 AD and 1200AD. The Dutch settlers arrived in the Cape in the 1652.
Is "white Africa" not an oxymoron? You know you can recite your phony history alll you like but nobody will take you seriously. Now, go get a life, hate is self-inflected torture.
Calling Israelis colonizers is like calling native Americans colonizers 😂
Bible based fairy tales
You must be lost. Blacks are the native South Africans. Read our history.
Ignoring the fact is like believing your own lies. The difference between native America and Israel is actually, one is the owner occupied and other is colonizer by definition. You go figure
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